Russia is bound to pay for the war crimes committed, the red lines have long been passed, and the Russian army is not even able to defend its borders from saboteurs, fighters will help the Ukrainian army to end this bloody war faster
@@NguyenHuy-he2nd GAM-87 we have thousands of those. 6,5 minutes to reach Russia at mach 12 carrying a 1 Megaton thermonuclear device, that is the response to serious Russian actions. So Russia, better not be serious about that.
If there was no red line, NATO would have it's military in Ukraine right now to end the war. But you keep treating this war as a joke while politicians make the real decisions to keep this from escalating out of control.
Feb 2022 - "If you help at all, it will cross the red line!" Apr 2022 - "If you send artillery, it will cross the red line!" Jun 2022 - "If you send HIMARS, it will cross the red line!" Sep 2022 - "If you send long range missiles, it will cross the red line!" Dec 2022 - "If you send the Patriot System, it will cross the red line!" Feb 2023 - "If you send modern tanks, it will cross the red line!" May 2023 - "If you send F-16s, it will cross the red line!"
Vatniks claiming they are fighting against NATO in Ukraine never heard of lend lease before. By their logic only the US, British and French won on the German front in WW2 since the Soviets got $600 billion lend lease, that rebuilt the red army (without which they would have fought the Germans with snowballs ❄and potatoes 🥔), that they never payed back
F16 also allows Ukraine to fend off Russian planes and weapons fired from them, from my understanding. It's not just about Ukraine having longer range for attack but also better defense.
Probably until the end of this year after the Ukraine offensive. After Ukraine offensive nothing more will remain either for Ukraine or for the West to give.F16 is practically the only thing left for the West to give Ukraine
@@rouz0 you are probably wrong. The collective West will be sending large long range ballistic missiles, submarines and surface ships. No end to this war until lots of generations of Ukrainians (from 20-45) are gone up to 30% (dead, left, wounded,...). Terrible and sad. No peace in sight as Russians and Chinese don't want it as well. Except families of the soldiers on the front lines, nobody who matters wants peace now. After it's all said and done, Ukraine will need $1.5T in reconstruction and will have somewhere between 10-15M of people left. Mostly elderly people will stay. This is a prediction from someone who left another similar war years ago.
@@nick_vash let's hope, it never reaches there. The Cuban crisis was a close call and everybody thought the lesson was learned. Surprisingly, the US doing exactly what Russia did in Cuba. Apparently, the Us politicians lost their minds and memory about how they felt when the Russian army was settled in Cuba with its nuclear warhead toward the Us.
Well it's best to specify these are "jets". I don't think Ukraine wants prop aircraft. They need relevant aircraft. Which today is drones. They serve the purposes that aircraft once did. Only you don't need large runways or have any need to sacrifice pilots. Dead pilots are not an advantage. Japan proved that. Keep Ukrainians alive. 🇺🇦
@@cvrbon6 Yes, practically, a Russian modern jet can hit it without even they see it on their radar. I guess it is because they know after Ukraine offensive nothing more will remain either for Ukraine or for the West to give.F16 is practically the only thing left for the West to give to Ukraine
@@kreb7 So how many years exactly you are planning to keep Ukraine in the war? Until a new Afghanistan appears and the whole country turns to rubble. You know already how years will take for Ukraine to pay back and recover from this war.
The acquisition of F16 fighters is crucial to strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities. We express our deepest appreciation to the allies who lend their support, recognizing Ukraine's vital role in preserving Europe's security. By joining forces, we will prevail against Putin's aggression!
It is normal to supply F16 to other countries. Russia provides jet planes to other countries too. France supplies weapons and jets rafale to India too.
on the territory of Ukraine is a struggle for democracy and security of Europe as a whole, the supply of fighters F16 for Ukraine is primarily for our safety, because it will not allow Russia to create provocations by military aviation, as it was before
🛫🔥💪 Absolutely! The addition of F-16s to Ukraine's arsenal not only enhances their offensive capabilities but also strengthens their defense against Russian aircraft and weapons. This comment raises intriguing questions about the balance of power in the region and potential reactions from Putin. It sparks curiosity about the geopolitical implications and the impact on the ongoing conflict. The discussion around military capabilities and strategic advantages in the face of aggression adds depth to the conversation, highlighting the significance of defense and deterrence in the region.
Yes they are also asking for the Gripen, which is an equivalent plan but requires less maintenance and shorter runways. There just aren't that many of them to send.
The military equipment provided has really grown with time. The incremental nature has avoided provoking Russia a ton. That said Russia really cannot afford more confrontation now either.
Like Putin has been holding back? Putin needs to be provoked to leave Ukraine. Anyone who thinks Russia presents a threat to NATO forces is delusional. Half of their soldiers would quit in the first week.
@@cyberspace667 Almost all of Russia's soldiers are involved in the War, since they have had to do successive rounds of mass mobilizations. With over 200k casualties, they can't do much more than send more conscripts in to the slaughter
@@cyberspace667 The russian MoD disagrees with the "with just the Wagner Group". And Russia doesn't have a lot of soldiers who haven't even entered the war yet, Russia has a lot of civilians that can be conscripted and "trained" to be launched into the meatgrinder.
I am sure that such fighters will give Ukraine a significant advantage in the air, as well as close the sky above Ukraine, respectively, protect more civilians from Russian missile attacks
The absence of an exact delivery date for the planes raises some uncertainty, but it's positive that the U.S. is willing to provide them as military aid to Ukraine
There is a huge disconnect in the current discourse between flying fighter aircraft and what it actually takes for the aircraft to fly. However, just for starters, the first thing Ukraine has to consider in its pursuit of these F-16 aircraft, is how to take off and land with them.
@@livingtribunal4110 For almost a year the F16 was consider to be a bit too particular about the shape the landing strip is in, and stuff like Gripens were argued for. Now, suddenly, all of the concerns regarding the F16 are no longer relevant, and only the F16 will do for Ukraine. Why exactly are Gripens no longer good? The jets that have a shorter logistics tail, can take off from shorter and less pristine landing strips and are perfectly compatible with all the fancy missiles Ukraine needs?
«jet coalition» is already formed, which means that the countries are already working on the supply of fighters to Ukraine, it is very important because the transfer of fighters F16 for the Ukrainian army will take place shortly
Kind of amazed that no one mentioned the large scale munitions by Russia of glide bombs. Pretty obvious to me that the need to ratchet up the ability of the Ukrainian Air Force is all about negating this advantage. F-16 will drive the Russian planes further back from the front limiting their effectiveness.
A global coalition has formed to support Ukraine in its time of need. Multiple nations, including the U.S., are determined to assist Ukraine in recovering its lost territories. Great Britain has stepped up by offering to train Ukrainian pilots for F-16 aircraft. Additionally, other countries have generously volunteered to train Ukrainian soldiers and provide spare aircraft parts.
DW please be more accurate. All news channel that I saw talking F16 have done this wrong: The "red line" has never been F16! The red line was a "no flight zone" That is a HUGE difference!
The CSTO -- Russia's counterpart to NATO -- is supposed to do the honours, but Russia's "special military operation" seems to have broken the CSTO's Article 4 (its equivalent to NATO's Article 5). Who knew? Well, Azerbaijan, I suppose.
“As long as it takes for Ukraine to win.” Ukraine has surprised the west with their quick learning NATO equipments, and how they use them in the battlefield, and F16 is no difference. In fact, Ben Hodges said that Ukraine armies learn faster than his people. General Hodges used to train Ukraine’s armies. Mr. Wolfgang Richter, military expert, guest on the show said that “this is not European war.” Is this guy being serious?
"General Hodges used to train Ukraine's armies" Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges was US Army Europe commander in 2015 when the training of the UAF began. While he had ultimate responsibility over it, I'm pretty sure he didn't do the training himself. :)
Richter said a lot of controversial things and is pretty alone with that. But it's good to have someone to discuss with, otherwise we're in a echo chamber.
@@livingtribunal4110 If you make a point, then it helps to back it up with some facts or reasoning. "Because I say so" is not as persuasive as you might think. In fact, two UA pilots were appraised on the F-16. One mig-29 and one su-27 pilot assessed by the 162nd Wing Lt. Col. He concluded that "4 months is a realistic training period". This is fine praise indeed and supports what the OP claimed. See, facts strengthen arguments.
They are still in use, but it was quite small, only 100 or so attack craft all of which are very old Soviet MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-27. The report itself said that Ukraine lost about 40% of their previous air force.
Ukraine is supported by the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian military is trained with modern weapons and is slowly but surely driving out the Russian occupants
You heard wrong apparently. I'm pretty sure that as soon as first pilots will finish their training, Ukraine will receive F-16s just like they did before with Leopards etc. These jets will be a powerful upgrade of the Ukrainian defence capabilities for sure.
Wow, didn't expect to agree with the mentioned Russian propagandist, but I do: Stop talking about red lines. No nuclear first strike. No direct involement. That's it, honestly.
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I doubt we will see F16s on the battlefield anytime soon. This just feels like a way to shut Zelensky up about receiving jets. In the scheme of things the jets would be needed to rebuild their AF, but F16s will not help Ukraine anytime soon.
We need to protect Dear Leader Vladimir Putin so that he can proceed to entirely destroy the Russian Federation, and continue to do so for as long as possible. The West should of course send support and tanks and other materiel, but should do so exactly as they are doing, very nice and slowly, to allow Putin to proceed to commit blunder, after blunder, after blunder. - j q t -
Basically, another 100 Leopard 2 or M1A2 Abrams tanks and 200 Bradley IFVs would be far more helpful to Ukraine. They would outfit a heavy armored brigade, which by itself could punch a 3 km wide hole in Russian front lines in Zaporizhzhia. That volume of armor would cost less than 30 F-16 fighters.
Ukraine is supported by the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian military is trained with modern weapons and is slowly but surely driving out the Russian occupants
F/16 can engage in air-to-ground and air-to-air missions. It's also the top 3 dog fighters. F/18 can take off and land from carriers and only air-to-air missions and bombs. A-10 is for air-to-ground missions only, with great missiles and bombs.
It also can only take-off from airfields which are 100% _spotless_ from _any_ kind of debris. Good luck with that on the / within suitable range of the Eastern Front.
@@piconano Really? So you know all about F-16s that have major problems taking-off from unimproved runways, highways or grass fields that the MiG-29 Fulcrum _doesn´t_ have? The fact that F-16 doesn´t have FOD protective angled slats located at the top of the wing-root open to provide alternate air intake to the jet engines, which, should a single rock, bolt, nut, or minor road debris find itself inside, can have a cataclysmic effect on a modern high-performance jet engine, progressively getting worse during flight as the blades, now potentially bent or unbalanced begin to self-destruct the engine internals? And the fact the USAF, with no provision for FOD protection or alternate, high-mounted intakes during the entire time spent on the ground, this calls for rigid and inflexible FOD control measures from the location of engine start, to taxiing routes to the runway. (in the USAF, they use hundreds of maintainers walking at arms-length intervals two to three times a day with eyes on the ground looking for any and every piece of debris that could be ingested by the multi-million dollar vacuum cleaner with only ONE engine they are charged with maintaining.) You knew all about that, yeah?
A10 is a suicide fighter. In the 80s Nato expected al lof them were lost after 2 days because of mapads... but they carry a lot of weapons and would destroy a lot of targets so their sacrifice would be worth it. Ukraine has not an unlimited amount of pilots, so you would give them F16, F18, Gripen, aircrafts that cannot carry that much weapons but can be expected to come back.
@@tyrson2445 Manpads have IR and UV seekers which are fooled by flares. F16 is the only AC I know that can do SEAD missions like the Russian SU-25 can. Every plane can be shot down. My favourite is F16, It's truly a multi-role aircraft. We use F16 and F18 super hornets here in Canada.
We need to protect Dear Leader Vladimir Putin so that he can proceed to entirely destroy the Russian Federation, and continue to do so for as long as possible. The West should of course send support and tanks and other materiel, but should do so exactly as they are doing, very nice and slowly, to allow Putin to proceed to commit blunder, after blunder, after blunder. - j q t -
the only reason ukraine wants these things is to stop the russian bombers and maybe to lob some cruise missiles. its not going to turn the overall tide.
Goncharenko knows NOTHING about planes ! :D If he says ANY russian jet is as good as the F16... F16 is a BEAUTIFUL multipurpose plane . It was NOT EASY at all making it a TRUE multipurpose ...ppl put serious money in its upgrades
Why was the USA so coy about sending F-16's? Well the only fixed wing aircraft entrusted to our Afghanistan allies were propeller A-29 light attack craft Germany was also very coy about sending Leopards And my goodness they made me jump through so many hoops to get my AR-15 😹
Update: pondering thinking deleting this, I was sitting in my field on my tractor awaiting a wagon of alfalfa for the silo, when suddenly a majestic American Bald Eagle flew over my farm and I was filled with Yankee pride and conviction 🇺🇸 🗽
if those F 16s , are not updated , then since are about 30 years old jet machines , most probably will be a good " catch "..for the Russians S 300 / S 400 ..!
The F-16 is a multi role fighter. It can do... Aircraft Suppression, SEAD Strikes, Combat Support, and use the HARM, GBU and AGM.. and other systems without modification. It also comes equipped for electronic warfare and jamming. It's a bad dude.
@@johngrey9780 You're barely able to type. You might want to better understand the jamming capability of the f-16 better to understand who is gonna see who first. Also MiG 35? The Firefox? Thought controlled? Shaddap, you can't even get your platforms straight.
Perhaps in the long view these weapons deliveries are used for team building. 🤔 Providing for the common defense. A stable system that has worked since 1945. Working to free eastern europe of russian domination!
Since world ww2 a real trench warfare between NATO "Ukraine" and Russian forces was fought in several eastern Ukraine enclaves ,the result with all of its modern military weaponry suport and financial backing NATO "Ukraine"lost big time.Therefore it is time to draw the line as is and make peace before it is too late and the line redraws at west most Poland border
The US had no choice. The UK told the world they will train Ukrainians to fly the F-16 and because of this the USA has to allow them to be supplied, theres no excusses if Ukraine can use them. IF the US said no then they would have shown the world their true goal, Which is to keep this going as long as possible.
It is Russia's true aim to prolong this whole conflict and to induce them to negotiate on their terms. The rest of the world wants to end this war as soon as possible
Well, Ukraine had hundreds of planes, now they have few dozens, they had thousands of tanks, now they have few hundreds. Ukraine lost a lot more equipment than NATO is able to supply to them. And yeah, majority of NATO countries already completely run out of equipment and to send to Ukraine
The F-16 wont make any difference in the outcome. The F-16 is an old fighter jet that is still a formidable weapon in the hands of a pilot that has been flying them for years and is accustomed to its behavior and capabilities. But ukrainian pilots, no matter how motivated they are, have flown only Migs and Sukhois, two old fighter jets that are also formidable weapons in the hands of trained pilots. Even in CNN a pilot aknowledged that it takes about 6 months to properly train a pilot to take off, fly the thing and land it. Not to mention attack missions and dogfights. You think a crash course will level ukrainian pilots in a new platform against veteran trained russian pilots, comfortable for years in their own platform for air combat? Also point to this "little details": F-16 require a lot of maintenance (16 hours for 1 flight hour), F-16 need long neat airstrip to take off (easy target for a FAB-500 or even a Lancet), Each AMRAAM missile costs about 1,2 million dollars and take a long time to produce them, the US is not going to give the ukrainians all they need because the US will risk getting a shortage of missiles. But I say give them to Zelensky, maybe something good might come out of it.
"Old jet" when Block 70/72 shares avionics with F-35. "Veteran Russian pilots", they are dead now, dude. Russia struggles to man its aircraft. "Airstrips a target for Lancet" 😂😂😂 your Lancet has a 40 km range, Ivan Quit lying.
Putin’s reaction to supply F16 fighters will be negative for Ukraine, because Russian aviation lags far behind us, and this will allow the Ukrainian army to gain an advantage in the air and defeat Russia
@@brucemiller434 the Russian army did not expect that after a year of the war, Ukraine will surpass Russia in combat potential, I think that deliveries of fighters F16 to Ukraine’s armament is a terrible dream for the Kremlin because the Russian army now does not have nothing to oppose modern NATO aviation
@@brianjohnson6053 when there is a war with such an aggressor as Russia, the cost is not as important as victory, the main thing is that missiles will be effective in destroying enemy targets, one missile can cause millions of losses to the Russian army
1. Javelin 2. M155 3. Himars 4. M 1 abrams 5. F 16. They are game changer, aren't they? 6. Where are usa n nato troops...are they still coward against rusia?? Where is true game changer ?? 😂🤣😂😎😎😎
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The f-16s will help close the skies over Ukraine and thus civilian casualties will be reduced. It is important to understand that Russia is a big and heavy enemy with a lot of equipment. Ukraine must reach parity in the amount of military equipment
You can't beat Russia on quantity of military equipment. They have been stocking up pretty much every bit of military equipment they built since WW2 ended. And they can always draw down from equipment and troops from the Eastern bits of Russia (I think troop numbers are already running thin, even from the East, hence the conscription recently) but I expect they still have 1000s of tanks and artillery and guns and loads of ammo left. Although the gear they are drawing from seems to be mostly from the 1970s onwards now, I expect it will be even more common to see 1950s gear on the field as the war grinds on. You can beat them on quality, which is where Russia seems to be failing hard. That is the secret sauce of the western gear. And better training on the Ukrainian side seems to help alot as well. Which is again another huge Russian failure.
That guy on the tv doesn’t have a clue. Russias hir % from the Caspian Sea and from any other place is like 5% the rest are being shot down by UA air defense. I don’t have a clue what he means with Ukraine can do nothing about this and that Russia is hitting weapons depot close to Poland. What is this guy is as updated as my grandma on the situation.
First you neeed at least 6 months for trained fighter pilot to learn to fly F-16, Secont - you need to modernise ukranian airfields for F-16, how we will do that under russian bombardment because we cant let this F-16 fly from Poland, Romania or Baltic states 3 - you need personal,equipment and infrastructure for repearing and fly control, this will take years. 4 - which F-16 modification Ukraine will get - if its not Block 52 - you better give coffins to pilotes too. For me it will be better all this money for F-16 we put for Air deffence sistems and AWACS
Sadly, no. Until there are changes in the Russian government, while Putin is in power, the war will continue. Presently, Putin has no other choice, if he backs down he will be facing a trial in Hague. This will turn into a war of attrition. At best, it will be frozen like the Korean war, and just like DPRK, Russia will remain a pariah for decades. I hope Putin does not use nukes.
I'm sorry but you don't even remotely grasp anything if you actually think this. F-16's aren't modern aircraft. Russia has anti-air systems. This is a waste of time and money. Stop drinking the media kool-aid. We need to start negotiating peace talks instead of dumping money into this and barreling towards WW3. Ignorant media sheep.
Ukraine had hundreds of planes when war started. Why do you think that few dozens of f16 will make a difference? They won't even get new capabilities, since they use NATO rockets from soviet planes anyway. I would agree with you if NATO decided to send thousands of planes to them, but with only few planes Ukraine will just keep loosing
As desperation grows, after aircrafts, next tranche will be large ballistic missiles, then the last one will be submarines and surface ships. Then the end. Such a sad state of current affairs. Without Dutch and American pilots, this is all useless. Ukraine needs over 400 planes and 20 runaways with support crews to make any significant difference. All land crews need to be Dutch or American as well. The rest are just incompetent.
@@MrUbiparip Right now, no. Putin clearly seem to think he can still win somehow, despite how obvious it is to everyone else that it's lost for him. Here are a few more "realistic" scenarios in which Putin might be willing to start negotiating on ukrainian terms: - the land bridge and kerch bridge are cut, seriously limiting the logistic to Crimea, puting a countdown on the russian occupation of that territory - in 2025, with still no victory in sight, more defeats at the hands of the ukrainians, the state ruined (meaning either inflation, high taxes and serious cuts to social programs) and the western aid not decreasing in the slightest, Putin might feel threatened by internal forces who may see negotiations with the west a way to take power in Russia. - after x years of fighting (be it 3, 7 or 20), the russian armed forces positions are right next to the russian borders, the western powers are really angry at how much this war has cost them and the ukrainians even more. => only a fool would wait that long to start negotiating, as not much would remain to offer in the balance on the russian side. Btw, if Russia is willing to use nuclear weapons for any part of Ukraine, Crimea included, that just means a nuclear war would always have been unavoidable no matter what and humanity was always doomed by Putin's folly from the start.
Correct, helping Ukraine protect its sovereignty will prolong the war so long as Russia keeps its forces where they do not belong. If you really cared about ending the conflict, you’d rail against Russia’s aggression.
Red line? Invading another country is a red line - stop with these idiotic headlines
So Vietnamese should have used Russian cruise missiles and MIGs to bomb weapons factories in Kansas?
@@numalesoybea1348 they would have if they could have
@@JackTenrec-qk4zp if they had done that the nukes would fly.
@@numalesoybea1348 maybe, maybe not, they would have done it if they could, but they couldn't
@@JackTenrec-qk4zp there are many things they could have done. Russia may have given them intercontinental ballistic missiles or submarines.
Red line??? There is no red line!
There is but F16 are weak sauce compared to the others.
Yes, there's no red line. Putin is so scared with NATO but he can play with them as if Russia is still strong.
The red line was crossed by Putin the day he openly invaded Ukraine.
Russia is bound to pay for the war crimes committed, the red lines have long been passed, and the Russian army is not even able to defend its borders from saboteurs, fighters will help the Ukrainian army to end this bloody war faster
This is not a red line, this is a desperate attempt by russia to ridiculously threaten
RED LINE:
The use of Nuclear weapons is a red line for both sides.
Not when you trying to beat ur opponent at any cost and have nothing to lose
@@NguyenHuy-he2nd Russia is not suicidal, they have a lot to lose
You can say they all in alredy
@@NguyenHuy-he2nd GAM-87 we have thousands of those. 6,5 minutes to reach Russia at mach 12 carrying a 1 Megaton thermonuclear device, that is the response to serious Russian actions.
So Russia, better not be serious about that.
But to think they gave up everything just to lose more tho. It just doesnt make sense
Where is the red line in the Ukraine-Russia war?
Ans: It did not exist, it was all in your head
If there was no red line, NATO would have it's military in Ukraine right now to end the war. But you keep treating this war as a joke while politicians make the real decisions to keep this from escalating out of control.
Feb 2022 - "If you help at all, it will cross the red line!"
Apr 2022 - "If you send artillery, it will cross the red line!"
Jun 2022 - "If you send HIMARS, it will cross the red line!"
Sep 2022 - "If you send long range missiles, it will cross the red line!"
Dec 2022 - "If you send the Patriot System, it will cross the red line!"
Feb 2023 - "If you send modern tanks, it will cross the red line!"
May 2023 - "If you send F-16s, it will cross the red line!"
Vatniks claiming they are fighting against NATO in Ukraine never heard of lend lease before.
By their logic only the US, British and French won on the German front in WW2 since the Soviets got $600 billion lend lease, that rebuilt the red army (without which they would have fought the Germans with snowballs ❄and potatoes 🥔), that they never payed back
It’s an excuse for people who don’t want to support Ukraine.
@@K1RTB It's a reasonable response from countries that don't want to jeopardize their own security. Stop with the war mongering narrative.
F16 also allows Ukraine to fend off Russian planes and weapons fired from them, from my understanding. It's not just about Ukraine having longer range for attack but also better defense.
First thing Ukraine has to consider in its pursuit of these F-16 aircraft, is how to take off and land with them.
Pillow Talk.
@@ChiefManny1 What is pillow talk?
Longer range Radar than the Moscovian planes is the important difference.
@@livingtribunal4110 F16 are relatively easy to fly compared to other planes.
When will Ukraine be ready to use ? Can't wait for this useless war to end sending love to the people of Ukraine from Canada
Probably until the end of this year after the Ukraine offensive. After Ukraine offensive nothing more will remain either for Ukraine or for the West to give.F16 is practically the only thing left for the West to give Ukraine
@@rouz0 you are probably wrong. The collective West will be sending large long range ballistic missiles, submarines and surface ships.
No end to this war until lots of generations of Ukrainians (from 20-45) are gone up to 30% (dead, left, wounded,...). Terrible and sad.
No peace in sight as Russians and Chinese don't want it as well.
Except families of the soldiers on the front lines, nobody who matters wants peace now.
After it's all said and done, Ukraine will need $1.5T in reconstruction and will have somewhere between 10-15M of people left. Mostly elderly people will stay.
This is a prediction from someone who left another similar war years ago.
@@rouz0you forgot about the nukes 😂
@@nick_vashnukes in the hands of thugs like pu give more reason to the collective west to act decisively.
@@nick_vash let's hope, it never reaches there. The Cuban crisis was a close call and everybody thought the lesson was learned. Surprisingly, the US doing exactly what Russia did in Cuba. Apparently, the Us politicians lost their minds and memory about how they felt when the Russian army was settled in Cuba with its nuclear warhead toward the Us.
Ukraine pays with blood for the freedom of Europe !
So that's why Ukraine deserves these planes, and not only planes .
Well it's best to specify these are "jets". I don't think Ukraine wants prop aircraft. They need relevant aircraft. Which today is drones. They serve the purposes that aircraft once did. Only you don't need large runways or have any need to sacrifice pilots. Dead pilots are not an advantage. Japan proved that. Keep Ukrainians alive. 🇺🇦
I support your point of view. You're right.
There are significant differences between variants of the F-16. Just saying F-16s is like describing a bird as a flying object.
Maybe they'll be provided hobby RC scale models?
And they certainly won't be getting anything with modern radar systems. Which is why this is just another money pit.
Well they will use the older one first and as they get better will get better and better
@@cvrbon6 Yes, practically, a Russian modern jet can hit it without even they see it on their radar. I guess it is because they know after Ukraine offensive nothing more will remain either for Ukraine or for the West to give.F16 is practically the only thing left for the West to give to Ukraine
@@kreb7 So how many years exactly you are planning to keep Ukraine in the war? Until a new Afghanistan appears and the whole country turns to rubble. You know already how years will take for Ukraine to pay back and recover from this war.
Is not escalation is an equalisation
The acquisition of F16 fighters is crucial to strengthen Ukraine's defense capabilities. We express our deepest appreciation to the allies who lend their support, recognizing Ukraine's vital role in preserving Europe's security. By joining forces, we will prevail against Putin's aggression!
It is normal to supply F16 to other countries. Russia provides jet planes to other countries too. France supplies weapons and jets rafale to India too.
What happened in Uvalde Texas one year ago was normal according to your logic
on the territory of Ukraine is a struggle for democracy and security of Europe as a whole, the supply of fighters F16 for Ukraine is primarily for our safety, because it will not allow Russia to create provocations by military aviation, as it was before
I agree. Moreover, Ukraine needs these fighters to win, so I hope they get them soon.
@@evgeniybastrykov Stopping Russia is now priority number one
Exactly.
🛫🔥💪 Absolutely! The addition of F-16s to Ukraine's arsenal not only enhances their offensive capabilities but also strengthens their defense against Russian aircraft and weapons. This comment raises intriguing questions about the balance of power in the region and potential reactions from Putin. It sparks curiosity about the geopolitical implications and the impact on the ongoing conflict. The discussion around military capabilities and strategic advantages in the face of aggression adds depth to the conversation, highlighting the significance of defense and deterrence in the region.
Listen to what Joe Biden actually said - 4th generation fighter jets including F 16. There are many NATO 4th generation aircraft types.
Yes they are also asking for the Gripen, which is an equivalent plan but requires less maintenance and shorter runways.
There just aren't that many of them to send.
Exactly. The French said they will train pilots and they don’t operate the f-16. Ukraine getting rafales too?
@@jaketaylor3901 if the french are sending rafales they will be the high tech stealth version, better described as invisible or vapourware.
@@jaketaylor3901 They've contemplated delivering the Mirage 2000
The red line is defeat, its as simple as that
Shame on India and the named south. Having their own borders, because of others; dividing what was already divided, can’t said that either, should I?!
The military equipment provided has really grown with time. The incremental nature has avoided provoking Russia a ton. That said Russia really cannot afford more confrontation now either.
They took Bakhmut with just the Wagner Group, Russia has a lot of soldiers who haven’t even entered the war yet
Like Putin has been holding back? Putin needs to be provoked to leave Ukraine. Anyone who thinks Russia presents a threat to NATO forces is delusional. Half of their soldiers would quit in the first week.
@@cyberspace667 Almost all of Russia's soldiers are involved in the War, since they have had to do successive rounds of mass mobilizations. With over 200k casualties, they can't do much more than send more conscripts in to the slaughter
@@cyberspace667 The russian MoD disagrees with the "with just the Wagner Group". And Russia doesn't have a lot of soldiers who haven't even entered the war yet, Russia has a lot of civilians that can be conscripted and "trained" to be launched into the meatgrinder.
Spaceman : What Siberian Gulag Planet are you from? UranUs?
Finally. Looking forward seeing those birds flying in Ukraine.
I am sure that such fighters will give Ukraine a significant advantage in the air, as well as close the sky above Ukraine, respectively, protect more civilians from Russian missile attacks
Yeah can't wait till Russia finally gets sick of us and decided nukes are the best option
Me too! I'm sure after that the Ukrainians will be much more successful and faster in advancing on the front lines and liberating their territories
I think we're all tired of worrying about what an evil monster following a script thinks.
The absence of an exact delivery date for the planes raises some uncertainty, but it's positive that the U.S. is willing to provide them as military aid to Ukraine
There is a huge disconnect in the current discourse between flying fighter aircraft and what it actually takes for the aircraft to fly. However, just for starters, the first thing Ukraine has to consider in its pursuit of these F-16 aircraft, is how to take off and land with them.
@@livingtribunal4110
For almost a year the F16 was consider to be a bit too particular about the shape the landing strip is in, and stuff like Gripens were argued for.
Now, suddenly, all of the concerns regarding the F16 are no longer relevant, and only the F16 will do for Ukraine.
Why exactly are Gripens no longer good? The jets that have a shorter logistics tail, can take off from shorter and less pristine landing strips and are perfectly compatible with all the fancy missiles Ukraine needs?
«jet coalition» is already formed, which means that the countries are already working on the supply of fighters to Ukraine, it is very important because the transfer of fighters F16 for the Ukrainian army will take place shortly
@@evgeniybastrykov
You say soon, but the first batch of pilots has several months of training to undergo.
Yes, I would like to know the exact date of shipment of the F16. These shipments cannot be delayed
Very misinformed conversation. White House report from last week says Ukrainians have been trained on F16s in as little as 4 months
Kind of amazed that no one mentioned the large scale munitions by Russia of glide bombs. Pretty obvious to me that the need to ratchet up the ability of the Ukrainian Air Force is all about negating this advantage. F-16 will drive the Russian planes further back from the front limiting their effectiveness.
few hyper sonic and all the F-16 become pile of junk metals
A global coalition has formed to support Ukraine in its time of need. Multiple nations, including the U.S., are determined to assist Ukraine in recovering its lost territories. Great Britain has stepped up by offering to train Ukrainian pilots for F-16 aircraft. Additionally, other countries have generously volunteered to train Ukrainian soldiers and provide spare aircraft parts.
The demonstrated success of Western weapons underscores the necessity of providing continued support to ensure victory
I am glad to see that all civilized countries actively support Ukraine in the fight against the aggressor
@@orvalprosacco1951 Civilized countries should be talking about solutions to end this barbaric war not escalating it further.
DW please be more accurate. All news channel that I saw talking F16 have done this wrong:
The "red line" has never been F16!
The red line was a "no flight zone"
That is a HUGE difference!
The West, USA, UK, EU, should give Armenia same level of support (and weapons) as is given to Ukraine.
why? Armenia is part of russia's version of NATO.
Turkiye won't let that happen.
The CSTO -- Russia's counterpart to NATO -- is supposed to do the honours, but Russia's "special military operation" seems to have broken the CSTO's Article 4 (its equivalent to NATO's Article 5). Who knew? Well, Azerbaijan, I suppose.
@@peabase
Exactly!
With the help of the West and the entire democratic community, Ukraine will regain its occupied territories and end the war with victory
Zelensky goes on a trip around the world while Putin would be arrested if he would attent such a trip.
Even America doesn't recognize ICC. 😂
@@soreeyez heh, i don't recognise russia as a country. Its a terrorist state and it will go down in flames.
Cope harder troll
Don t attack and invade your neighborhood, simple as that.
@@soreeyezBut even they would still arrest him😂
So where is your argument now?
Cause hes a war criminal?
“As long as it takes for Ukraine to win.”
Ukraine has surprised the west with their quick learning NATO equipments, and how they use them in the battlefield, and F16 is no difference. In fact, Ben Hodges said that Ukraine armies learn faster than his people. General Hodges used to train Ukraine’s armies.
Mr. Wolfgang Richter, military expert, guest on the show said that “this is not European war.” Is this guy being serious?
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"General Hodges used to train Ukraine's armies"
Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges was US Army Europe commander in 2015 when the training of the UAF began. While he had ultimate responsibility over it, I'm pretty sure he didn't do the training himself. :)
No, david. The F-16 is _vastly_ different.
Richter said a lot of controversial things and is pretty alone with that. But it's good to have someone to discuss with, otherwise we're in a echo chamber.
@@livingtribunal4110 If you make a point, then it helps to back it up with some facts or reasoning. "Because I say so" is not as persuasive as you might think.
In fact, two UA pilots were appraised on the F-16. One mig-29 and one su-27 pilot assessed by the 162nd Wing Lt. Col. He concluded that "4 months is a realistic training period". This is fine praise indeed and supports what the OP claimed.
See, facts strengthen arguments.
That banger in the background
What happened to the Ukraine previous Air force?
Two third of it at least has been destroyed during the war. Though it is very probably a majority of the pilots survived.
They are still in use, but it was quite small, only 100 or so attack craft all of which are very old Soviet MiG-29 and Sukhoi Su-27. The report itself said that Ukraine lost about 40% of their previous air force.
These planes will have nothing to give air support for, since the armored vehicles were blown up.
Ukraine is supported by the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian military is trained with modern weapons and is slowly but surely driving out the Russian occupants
Nobody Care about how the terror State react, go strong Denmark 🇩🇰💪.🇺🇦✌️
They don't, sadly.. 🤔
*ROMANIA HAS BEEN TRYING TO LEARN HOW TO FLY F-16S FOR A DECADE NOW...LOLOL!!!*
Why do F16''s matter?
Because they are a fine example of a perfectly engineered killing machine.
That's why.
true ! Goncharenko gonne WILD there commenting on it
If you are able to get them off the ground with the right conditions
They won't get them until after the war i thought i had heard?
You heard wrong apparently. I'm pretty sure that as soon as first pilots will finish their training, Ukraine will receive F-16s just like they did before with Leopards etc. These jets will be a powerful upgrade of the Ukrainian defence capabilities for sure.
If Putin withdraws his Orcs in the coming four months, you may be right.
With the help of the West and the entire democratic community, Ukraine will regain its occupied territories and end the war with victory
ive heard the same and they may not, but ukraine is currently getting mauled by those heavy bombers...
It takes years to train NEW pilots; the Ukrainians have pilots so it's just a platform familiarization. A few months at best.
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I'm not great with stuff like this but doesn't the Russian military have current gen Sukhois? Shouldn't trained pilots wipe the floor with F16s?
why not F35s for Ukraine?
Risk of technology being captured.
Wow, didn't expect to agree with the mentioned Russian propagandist, but I do: Stop talking about red lines. No nuclear first strike. No direct involement. That's it, honestly.
Rakyat tertindas itu adalah kehidupan kemanusiaan. Jadi tolong biarkan mereka membacanya agar mampu berdiri. Apakah penyedia ini mengerti? Jangan berusaha memanipulasinya menjadi pilihan berganda, untuk satu jawaban dari pengetahuan.
We must not slow down the pace of our supplies so that Ukraine can launch a counteroffensive as quickly as possible.
Agreed!
*Russia🇷🇺 still occupied oblast Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Kherson, Crimea.*
Russia must end occupation & keep peace
What about the leopard 2 tanks what the changes they brought to Ukraine
They are used by the reserve forces and haven't been involved in heavy fighting yet, as far as I know.
they are nothing special anyways. doesnt even have ablative armor...
@@operator9858 Nah, the Leopard is the best tank in Nato training exercises, thus the best tank in the world.
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The "red line" argument cuts both ways. Russia crossed a huge red line when they invades Ukraine.
For $10million ill lobby for them to get a squadron of apaches.
At least they would have a peice on the gameboard then.
The reast..yea ok what ever..
I doubt we will see F16s on the battlefield anytime soon. This just feels like a way to shut Zelensky up about receiving jets. In the scheme of things the jets would be needed to rebuild their AF, but F16s will not help Ukraine anytime soon.
Begitu rapi bukan??
Seperti latihan baris-berbaris!! Tinggal mengisi setiap barisan yang kosong, bukan??
Putin fired the worthless General Millay. So much for the reaction 🤣🤣🤣
Our allies' assistance bolsters our confidence and reinforces our belief in our ability to overcome Russia's aggression
Agreed
Its silly to restrict Ukraine.Especially,if its fighting an unrestricted foe.
We need to protect Dear Leader Vladimir Putin so that he can proceed to entirely destroy the Russian Federation, and continue to do so for as long as possible. The West should of course send support and tanks and other materiel, but should do so exactly as they are doing, very nice and slowly, to allow Putin to proceed to commit blunder, after blunder, after blunder. - j q t -
Basically, another 100 Leopard 2 or M1A2 Abrams tanks and 200 Bradley IFVs would be far more helpful to Ukraine. They would outfit a heavy armored brigade, which by itself could punch a 3 km wide hole in Russian front lines in Zaporizhzhia. That volume of armor would cost less than 30 F-16 fighters.
How many Leopard IIs, M1-Abrams and Bradleys have Ukraine been given _so far_ ?
Ukraine is supported by the entire democratic world, the Ukrainian military is trained with modern weapons and is slowly but surely driving out the Russian occupants
@@livingtribunal4110 15-20. 1 was destroyed during training.
F/16 can engage in air-to-ground and air-to-air missions. It's also the top 3 dog fighters.
F/18 can take off and land from carriers and only air-to-air missions and bombs.
A-10 is for air-to-ground missions only, with great missiles and bombs.
It also can only take-off from airfields which are 100% _spotless_ from _any_ kind of debris.
Good luck with that on the / within suitable range of the Eastern Front.
@@livingtribunal4110 Myth made for people like you.
@@piconano Really? So you know all about F-16s that have major problems taking-off from unimproved runways, highways or grass fields that the MiG-29 Fulcrum _doesn´t_ have?
The fact that F-16 doesn´t have FOD protective angled slats located at the top of the wing-root open to provide alternate air intake to the jet engines, which, should a single rock, bolt, nut, or minor road debris find itself inside, can have a cataclysmic effect on a modern high-performance jet engine, progressively getting worse during flight as the blades, now potentially bent or unbalanced begin to self-destruct the engine internals?
And the fact the USAF, with no provision for FOD protection or alternate, high-mounted intakes during the entire time spent on the ground, this calls for rigid and inflexible FOD control measures from the location of engine start, to taxiing routes to the runway. (in the USAF, they use hundreds of maintainers walking at arms-length intervals two to three times a day with eyes on the ground looking for any and every piece of debris that could be ingested by the multi-million dollar vacuum cleaner with only ONE engine they are charged with maintaining.)
You knew all about that, yeah?
A10 is a suicide fighter. In the 80s Nato expected al lof them were lost after 2 days because of mapads... but they carry a lot of weapons and would destroy a lot of targets so their sacrifice would be worth it. Ukraine has not an unlimited amount of pilots, so you would give them F16, F18, Gripen, aircrafts that cannot carry that much weapons but can be expected to come back.
@@tyrson2445 Manpads have IR and UV seekers which are fooled by flares.
F16 is the only AC I know that can do SEAD missions like the Russian SU-25 can. Every plane can be shot down.
My favourite is F16, It's truly a multi-role aircraft.
We use F16 and F18 super hornets here in Canada.
It does not matter, its going nowhere....
I.could.not.understand.why.not.west.help.completly.rather.then.in.pieces
We need to protect Dear Leader Vladimir Putin so that he can proceed to entirely destroy the Russian Federation, and continue to do so for as long as possible. The West should of course send support and tanks and other materiel, but should do so exactly as they are doing, very nice and slowly, to allow Putin to proceed to commit blunder, after blunder, after blunder. - j q t -
The Ukrainians deserve all help they can use to fight evil and they will get it
Na give them f35 - let's test it in real war
Russia invaded its neighbor. Enough said.
Edit: and its not the first time.
passive aggression is not only aggression but its also a lie.
there always eeeeeeeeee sound in "to the point" trasmission...
Lol, Ukrainian pilots have training on simulators in Arizona for a few months now lol
That's a good thing, isn't it?
@@orvalprosacco1951 - Means they're basically ready to fly them now, so yes
Where is lopard tanks ?
15:00 The Colonel Has Magic Ring
the only reason ukraine wants these things is to stop the russian bombers and maybe to lob some cruise missiles. its not going to turn the overall tide.
Putin will respond with 💥
Give them everything they need!!!
They have enough
Are you ready to be deployed in Ukraine?
Because they don’t 😅
Indian airforce shoot down f16 with mig21😂😂😂
Goncharenko knows NOTHING about planes ! :D
If he says ANY russian jet is as good as the F16... F16 is a BEAUTIFUL multipurpose plane . It was NOT EASY at all making it a TRUE multipurpose ...ppl put serious money in its upgrades
Why was the USA so coy about sending F-16's?
Well the only fixed wing aircraft entrusted to our Afghanistan allies were propeller A-29 light attack craft
Germany was also very coy about sending Leopards
And my goodness they made me jump through so many hoops to get my AR-15 😹
Update: pondering thinking deleting this, I was sitting in my field on my tractor awaiting a wagon of alfalfa for the silo, when suddenly a majestic American Bald Eagle flew over my farm and I was filled with Yankee pride and conviction 🇺🇸 🗽
if those F 16s , are not updated , then since are about 30 years old jet machines , most probably will be a good " catch "..for the Russians S 300 / S 400 ..!
They’re updated.
The Russians are unlikely to have good weapons
@@orvalprosacco1951 havent we underestimated enough enemies in the last half century?
@@Olifantenstaart little early to be lying just yet isnt it? they havent even assigned them.
@@operator9858 the countries that are mentioned don't have non-updated F16s. That makes it pretty simple doesn't it?
Pipe down love
The F-16 is a multi role fighter. It can do... Aircraft Suppression, SEAD Strikes, Combat Support, and use the HARM, GBU and AGM.. and other systems without modification. It also comes equipped for electronic warfare and jamming.
It's a bad dude.
Never been tested against another Superpower. Mainly 3rd and 4th world countries. And just Hollywood Fantasies. This is all 'pillow talk'.
It´s even badder when you have the right conditions to take off and land with them.
With the help of the West and the entire democratic community, Ukraine will regain its occupied territories and end the war with victory
@@johngrey9780 You're barely able to type. You might want to better understand the jamming capability of the f-16 better to understand who is gonna see who first.
Also MiG 35? The Firefox? Thought controlled? Shaddap, you can't even get your platforms straight.
He'll whine and complain that his victims shouldn't be allowed to fight back. 🤷♂️
Perhaps in the long view these weapons deliveries are used for team building. 🤔 Providing for the common defense. A stable system that has worked since 1945. Working to free eastern europe of russian domination!
Since world ww2 a real trench warfare between NATO "Ukraine" and Russian forces was fought in several eastern Ukraine enclaves
,the result with all of its modern military weaponry suport and financial backing NATO "Ukraine"lost big time.Therefore it is time to draw the line as is and make peace before it is too late and the line redraws at west most Poland border
Don't be ridiculous. Ukraine might have difficulties retaking territory, but the day russia can take kiev the sun will rise 2 times and set 3 times.
@@JG-xi4tu Is that what Jane and her two moms told you? 😂😂😂😂
By the time they will get the jets ukraine will be one flat country. No buildings.
It Makes Me Mad That United States Would Get This Involved.
The US had no choice. The UK told the world they will train Ukrainians to fly the F-16 and because of this the USA has to allow them to be supplied, theres no excusses if Ukraine can use them. IF the US said no then they would have shown the world their true goal, Which is to keep this going as long as possible.
The UK did this before with MBTs and longer range cruise missiles.
Or, perhaps, they wanted to let Russia believe for as long as possible that they weren't getting them while the west prepares Ukraine for them?
clown
It is Russia's true aim to prolong this whole conflict and to induce them to negotiate on their terms. The rest of the world wants to end this war as soon as possible
Were these things not in Afghanistan??
Russia: everything is going according to plan… The demilitarisation is a success, but we didn’t specified which country is going to be….
Well, Ukraine had hundreds of planes, now they have few dozens, they had thousands of tanks, now they have few hundreds. Ukraine lost a lot more equipment than NATO is able to supply to them. And yeah, majority of NATO countries already completely run out of equipment and to send to Ukraine
The F-16 wont make any difference in the outcome. The F-16 is an old fighter jet that is still a formidable weapon in the hands of a pilot that has been flying them for years and is accustomed to its behavior and capabilities. But ukrainian pilots, no matter how motivated they are, have flown only Migs and Sukhois, two old fighter jets that are also formidable weapons in the hands of trained pilots. Even in CNN a pilot aknowledged that it takes about 6 months to properly train a pilot to take off, fly the thing and land it. Not to mention attack missions and dogfights. You think a crash course will level ukrainian pilots in a new platform against veteran trained russian pilots, comfortable for years in their own platform for air combat? Also point to this "little details": F-16 require a lot of maintenance (16 hours for 1 flight hour), F-16 need long neat airstrip to take off (easy target for a FAB-500 or even a Lancet), Each AMRAAM missile costs about 1,2 million dollars and take a long time to produce them, the US is not going to give the ukrainians all they need because the US will risk getting a shortage of missiles. But I say give them to Zelensky, maybe something good might come out of it.
Are you high?
"Old jet" when Block 70/72 shares avionics with F-35.
"Veteran Russian pilots", they are dead now, dude. Russia struggles to man its aircraft.
"Airstrips a target for Lancet" 😂😂😂 your Lancet has a 40 km range, Ivan
Quit lying.
The Delhi Word
Putin’s reaction to supply F16 fighters will be negative for Ukraine, because Russian aviation lags far behind us, and this will allow the Ukrainian army to gain an advantage in the air and defeat Russia
Expensive cruise missiles
@@brucemiller434 the Russian army did not expect that after a year of the war, Ukraine will surpass Russia in combat potential, I think that deliveries of fighters F16 to Ukraine’s armament is a terrible dream for the Kremlin because the Russian army now does not have nothing to oppose modern NATO aviation
@@brianjohnson6053 when there is a war with such an aggressor as Russia, the cost is not as important as victory, the main thing is that missiles will be effective in destroying enemy targets, one missile can cause millions of losses to the Russian army
Yes, it is.
1. Javelin 2. M155 3. Himars 4. M 1 abrams 5. F 16. They are game changer, aren't they? 6. Where are usa n nato troops...are they still coward against rusia?? Where is true game changer ?? 😂🤣😂😎😎😎
its in the details ...but a death cult like Russia will never see it :)
Sopwith Camels FTW
Where did you get this woman reporter from? She has no idea
He'll with red line
Bahkan jumlah besi penyangga rel kereta api ditempat itu, habitat iblis pengecut itu bisa tahu!! siapakah yang memberitahukan itu??....jika begitu? Lalu guna apa semua alat rongsokan itu lagi?? bahkan semua alat rongsokan yang bermata 'licik' itu harus dibayar dengan jaminan utang oleh Rakyat yang tertindas itu dan akan tetap selalu tertindas, jika masih tetap didalam bimbingan kebebalan itu??
This is like asking a rapist what's his opinion on getting tasered or peper sprayed 😒...
S-400 is going to get busy!
The f-16s will help close the skies over Ukraine and thus civilian casualties will be reduced. It is important to understand that Russia is a big and heavy enemy with a lot of equipment. Ukraine must reach parity in the amount of military equipment
The ongoing war has brought to light the true nature of those involved, and it is crucial to continue supporting democratic societies
You can't beat Russia on quantity of military equipment. They have been stocking up pretty much every bit of military equipment they built since WW2 ended. And they can always draw down from equipment and troops from the Eastern bits of Russia (I think troop numbers are already running thin, even from the East, hence the conscription recently) but I expect they still have 1000s of tanks and artillery and guns and loads of ammo left. Although the gear they are drawing from seems to be mostly from the 1970s onwards now, I expect it will be even more common to see 1950s gear on the field as the war grinds on.
You can beat them on quality, which is where Russia seems to be failing hard. That is the secret sauce of the western gear. And better training on the Ukrainian side seems to help alot as well. Which is again another huge Russian failure.
Anything that will hasten the decline and fall of the evil empire is welcome.
That guy on the tv doesn’t have a clue. Russias hir % from the Caspian Sea and from any other place is like 5% the rest are being shot down by UA air defense. I don’t have a clue what he means with Ukraine can do nothing about this and that Russia is hitting weapons depot close to Poland. What is this guy is as updated as my grandma on the situation.
one tactical NUK and all of this hype r vanished
First you neeed at least 6 months for trained fighter pilot to learn to fly F-16,
Secont - you need to modernise ukranian airfields for F-16, how we will do that under russian bombardment because we cant let this F-16 fly from Poland, Romania or Baltic states
3 - you need personal,equipment and infrastructure for repearing and fly control, this will take years.
4 - which F-16 modification Ukraine will get - if its not Block 52 - you better give coffins to pilotes too.
For me it will be better all this money for F-16 we put for Air deffence sistems and AWACS
F16 makes Israeli air force one of the world most deadly air force.
Why does the speaker has a Indian accent?Who is speaking DW or India ?What's the point of this?
Why does her race matter? I'm white some Indian gals are dolls..
Red line is boundary between Russia Ukraine step back Russia thanks
Best move so far. Ukraine is now guaranteed a mind-blowing victory.
Sadly, no. Until there are changes in the Russian government, while Putin is in power, the war will continue. Presently, Putin has no other choice, if he backs down he will be facing a trial in Hague. This will turn into a war of attrition. At best, it will be frozen like the Korean war, and just like DPRK, Russia will remain a pariah for decades. I hope Putin does not use nukes.
I'm sorry but you don't even remotely grasp anything if you actually think this. F-16's aren't modern aircraft. Russia has anti-air systems. This is a waste of time and money.
Stop drinking the media kool-aid. We need to start negotiating peace talks instead of dumping money into this and barreling towards WW3.
Ignorant media sheep.
No, it is guaranteed a lot of dead Ukranian pilots.
Ukraine had hundreds of planes when war started. Why do you think that few dozens of f16 will make a difference? They won't even get new capabilities, since they use NATO rockets from soviet planes anyway. I would agree with you if NATO decided to send thousands of planes to them, but with only few planes Ukraine will just keep loosing
How? Oh, my bad. I thought you meant Russia. 😁
As desperation grows, after aircrafts, next tranche will be large ballistic missiles, then the last one will be submarines and surface ships. Then the end.
Such a sad state of current affairs. Without Dutch and American pilots, this is all useless.
Ukraine needs over 400 planes and 20 runaways with support crews to make any significant difference. All land crews need to be Dutch or American as well. The rest are just incompetent.
Putin could end the war at any point by just going back behind the actual borders of Russia. He decided to invade, that's his war.
Its even sadder to live as a slave without rights & high quality life.
@@lepetitroquet9410 Ideally Yes, but realistically is that going to really happen?
@@MrUbiparip Right now, no. Putin clearly seem to think he can still win somehow, despite how obvious it is to everyone else that it's lost for him.
Here are a few more "realistic" scenarios in which Putin might be willing to start negotiating on ukrainian terms:
- the land bridge and kerch bridge are cut, seriously limiting the logistic to Crimea, puting a countdown on the russian occupation of that territory
- in 2025, with still no victory in sight, more defeats at the hands of the ukrainians, the state ruined (meaning either inflation, high taxes and serious cuts to social programs) and the western aid not decreasing in the slightest, Putin might feel threatened by internal forces who may see negotiations with the west a way to take power in Russia.
- after x years of fighting (be it 3, 7 or 20), the russian armed forces positions are right next to the russian borders, the western powers are really angry at how much this war has cost them and the ukrainians even more.
=> only a fool would wait that long to start negotiating, as not much would remain to offer in the balance on the russian side.
Btw, if Russia is willing to use nuclear weapons for any part of Ukraine, Crimea included, that just means a nuclear war would always have been unavoidable no matter what and humanity was always doomed by Putin's folly from the start.
Not a game changer but well just pro-long the war
Correct, helping Ukraine protect its sovereignty will prolong the war so long as Russia keeps its forces where they do not belong.
If you really cared about ending the conflict, you’d rail against Russia’s aggression.
@Null Pointer Too many lives and blood has been spent to just stop now this war shouldn't have happen if Ukraine stayed a neutral state
@@cordellmohawk8408 kinda hard to be neutral when russia wants to control Ukraine...
@@thegreatdane3627 NATO is controlled by the US let's be honest lol
Get outta Ukraine, pay compensations, then we ll have peace
Zapad, West.