At the highest level small things like that have a massive impact! Any advantage - big or small - that you can get over your opponent in the early game can actually have a massive impact on the later game.
I've watched so many hu games to know that they absolutely can afford to lose 20+ peasants every game I watched sok's game couple of months ago where he lost 60 PEASANTS
@@josuepereira9782 not for long patch is coming … and watching neo suggestions hu won’t survive it. His ideas about hu were: 1. Hit we 2. Hit am in general 3. Hit hard on hu early game 4. Hit hard on hu mid/late game 5. Maybe even hit militia/peasants 6. To balance it out buff mechanical critter
As an Orc player, I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I truly think that this matchup is not fair for Undead at all. The Human Vs UD matchup is mostly about tier 3, and that is mostly about economy. Human has a much easier time securing expo with militia creeping and UD's expo gets cancelled way too easily due to water elementals. The Undead can barely get destroyers at all, which is absolutely needs to break Human towers because gyros are so cheap and counter destroyers so hard. I truly believe that Happy is a better player than Forti, and that this matchup is only really viable for Undead on some big maps where cancelling UD expo is harder. The only Human player I feel that is as good or better than Happy is prime Infi. Not the current degraded Infi that hasn't played his main seriously in 4 years, but Infi in prime form. I think that, skill-wise, the only player currently playing that *really* is on Happy's level is Lyn. Even 120 only beats Happy because he's one of those players that is unusually strong in mirror. He beats Happy for the same reason why ReMind back in the day beat prime Moon: some players pick their race because they just love the mirror matchup and are incredibly strong at it. But in the other 3 matchups, their level is significantly lower.
@@Biobin123 I don't think I need to talk about the Orc Vs UD matchup, since I have written 100+ paragraphs explaining why the matchup is clearly imbalanced in favor of Undead. Here's a comment that I made on the recent Lyn Vs Happy series: "This series is elucidating. In that first game, Lyn played as flawlessly as a player possibly can. Literally no faulty execution in terms of his timings and movement, and not a single incorrect tactical decision. Lyn also got crazy lucky with items. Happy,. conversely, messed up royally: had a bad early game, took too long to get DK level 3, read Lyn's build totally incorrectly, didn't scout properly and allowed Lyn to creep whole map. And guess what? It was still razor-sharp until the end Lyn barely won. This is what Orc is up against. Let's face it: since 2021, at the highest level of WC3, Orcs only beat Undead when they get crazy items for Blademaster and the Undead screws up their early game and either can't get level 3 DK or misses their tech by more than a minute. Even with crazy items like Boots of Quel'Thalas or claws +12, Orc cannot win if Undead has even a decent early game. Coil/Nova killing SH over and over again from the other side of the screen. Since 2021, Lyn has tried literally 12 different builds Vs Undead, and the only thing that works is this straight tech to mass wyvern BS. Think what it means when one race has to forego all it's ground units and play only mass air because the melee DPS of the other race is so overwhelmingly better." The thing about me is that I'm fair. I call it like I see it. It's not because I'm an Orc player that I will be biased. For instance, 3 patches ago I complained that HH were too good and needed nerfing. I also said that the Orc Vs UD matchup was heavily favored for Orc back in the 2000's. Now it's the opposite, mostly because BM got nerfed(-2 agility + 2 second cooldown for wind walk), TC got nerfed(stomp less damage and less stun time), and Undead gained the ability to fast expand, while Orc is the one race in WC3 that cannot under any circumstance tier 1 expand. Also, the meta changed from fiends to ghouls + mass destroyers and that proved to be really hard for Orc.
@ I never implied that you are not fair. You said you are orc player that’s why i got interested about your opinion on orc balance today. Did not asked about ne cause currently i think ne is irrelevant. They would need to race target nerf/buff which is hard. Also double nerf/buff is terrible like buff ud nerf hu and than hu is just dead like they did with ne. Thanks for answer, i really enjoy talking with every race representative other than ud. According to them everything is op. I can show you recent comments ud fan base complaining how strong bm lvl 1 is… as well as how op flying machine bombs are and etc… so i just stopped arguing with them. I would like to see orc being able to expand but i also believe that orc has least opinions about healing and mana regen and needs some help there too. Make wd viable maybe?
Yes or do it like fortyy does : Some army defending some attacking main some attacking enemy expansion while militia creeping. Doing that with ud is more effective cause hu cant heal fast and for free
Can someone explain why Happy abandoned CL first strat? It looked pretty solid most of the time. Neo says that this strat got figure by Human players but I don't remember Happy getting beaten too many times when going CL. What exactly happened?
Spoilers for entire clan war Crazy storyline. It looked like Laby was gonna be the unexpected carry doing the all kill. Then Forti comes back and owns him. Then happy comes in wins the first and gets wrecked the next two. Once again under pressure Forti carries his team and Happy crumbles (during the round robin Forti did horrible in 1v1). Can’t wait to see how far Forti takes it he’s the top dog right now.
![WC3 | Bo3 Match | [HU] Fortitude vs Eer0 [UD] | Ancient of Wonders Cup 2024 #4](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/dh9do8x2_7E/mqdefault.jpg)
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![WC3 | Grandfinal | [NE] Moon vs Sok [HU] | Ancient of Wonders Cup 2024 #4](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eQ_3d_HRSkg/mqdefault.jpg)
![WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Fortitude [HU] - GRAND FINAL - TP League S2 Monthly 2](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/gdaRv4mgs28/mqdefault.jpg)
![WC3 | WB Final | [UD] Happy vs Lyn [ORC] | Dolphin Warcraft Championship Cup](/img/1.gif)
Tier 3 - ordinary games
Tier 2 - gold star games
Tier 1 - Happy vs Fortitude games
Forti vs Happy is a must see Warcraft everytime.
Wow this one was goooood
-One peasant dies
"This is really bad. Oh this is a DISASTER!"
lol
At the highest level small things like that have a massive impact! Any advantage - big or small - that you can get over your opponent in the early game can actually have a massive impact on the later game.
I've watched so many hu games to know that they absolutely can afford to lose 20+ peasants every game
I watched sok's game couple of months ago where he lost 60 PEASANTS
@@4bafiafzil999
Did sok win that game?
I love watchin Wc3 ladder even though I suck at it and always have lol. Ty B2W for all the uploads
And daily streams!
Do you enjoy 1on1 only or RT as well?
@@ross1158 I do not, it is too much micro managing. I don't have the reflexes either. I only play customs like legion or tower survivors.
@@hn-ca24 lol, I play 4on4, legion and TS and enjoy them all but RT is the only one I can play a lot of. For the rest I get bored after 2-3 hours.
Damn Happy is da beast
Nature is healing.
@@josuepereira9782 not for long patch is coming … and watching neo suggestions hu won’t survive it.
His ideas about hu were:
1. Hit we
2. Hit am in general
3. Hit hard on hu early game
4. Hit hard on hu mid/late game
5. Maybe even hit militia/peasants
6. To balance it out buff mechanical critter
Император красавчик в любом случае! Вторую игру жалко
Forti is a beast!
It’s a balance of the game 🤦♂️ Jesus Christ
@@Kamranakaus if it's balance than why two other Human players got stomped before Fortitude, Jesus Christ?!!
@@CcDd-n1h
Because it’s balance! Forty wins despite that
damn 2nd match was fire
As an Orc player, I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I truly think that this matchup is not fair for Undead at all. The Human Vs UD matchup is mostly about tier 3, and that is mostly about economy. Human has a much easier time securing expo with militia creeping and UD's expo gets cancelled way too easily due to water elementals. The Undead can barely get destroyers at all, which is absolutely needs to break Human towers because gyros are so cheap and counter destroyers so hard.
I truly believe that Happy is a better player than Forti, and that this matchup is only really viable for Undead on some big maps where cancelling UD expo is harder. The only Human player I feel that is as good or better than Happy is prime Infi. Not the current degraded Infi that hasn't played his main seriously in 4 years, but Infi in prime form.
I think that, skill-wise, the only player currently playing that *really* is on Happy's level is Lyn. Even 120 only beats Happy because he's one of those players that is unusually strong in mirror. He beats Happy for the same reason why ReMind back in the day beat prime Moon: some players pick their race because they just love the mirror matchup and are incredibly strong at it. But in the other 3 matchups, their level is significantly lower.
@@PeteCrawfordCrawford lol, that's your opinion!
What about orc vs ud and hu vs orc?
@@joeuy4819 Of course it is. This is what we do in a comment section: give our opinion on things.
@@Biobin123 I don't think I need to talk about the Orc Vs UD matchup, since I have written 100+ paragraphs explaining why the matchup is clearly imbalanced in favor of Undead. Here's a comment that I made on the recent Lyn Vs Happy series:
"This series is elucidating. In that first game, Lyn played as flawlessly as a player possibly can. Literally no faulty execution in terms of his timings and movement, and not a single incorrect tactical decision. Lyn also got crazy lucky with items.
Happy,. conversely, messed up royally: had a bad early game, took too long to get DK level 3, read Lyn's build totally incorrectly, didn't scout properly and allowed Lyn to creep whole map.
And guess what? It was still razor-sharp until the end Lyn barely won. This is what Orc is up against. Let's face it: since 2021, at the highest level of WC3, Orcs only beat Undead when they get crazy items for Blademaster and the Undead screws up their early game and either can't get level 3 DK or misses their tech by more than a minute. Even with crazy items like Boots of Quel'Thalas or claws +12, Orc cannot win if Undead has even a decent early game. Coil/Nova killing SH over and over again from the other side of the screen.
Since 2021, Lyn has tried literally 12 different builds Vs Undead, and the only thing that works is this straight tech to mass wyvern BS.
Think what it means when one race has to forego all it's ground units and play only mass air because the melee DPS of the other race is so overwhelmingly better."
The thing about me is that I'm fair. I call it like I see it. It's not because I'm an Orc player that I will be biased. For instance, 3 patches ago I complained that HH were too good and needed nerfing. I also said that the Orc Vs UD matchup was heavily favored for Orc back in the 2000's. Now it's the opposite, mostly because BM got nerfed(-2 agility + 2 second cooldown for wind walk), TC got nerfed(stomp less damage and less stun time), and Undead gained the ability to fast expand, while Orc is the one race in WC3 that cannot under any circumstance tier 1 expand. Also, the meta changed from fiends to ghouls + mass destroyers and that proved to be really hard for Orc.
@
I never implied that you are not fair. You said you are orc player that’s why i got interested about your opinion on orc balance today. Did not asked about ne cause currently i think ne is irrelevant.
They would need to race target nerf/buff which is hard. Also double nerf/buff is terrible like buff ud nerf hu and than hu is just dead like they did with ne.
Thanks for answer, i really enjoy talking with every race representative other than ud. According to them everything is op. I can show you recent comments ud fan base complaining how strong bm lvl 1 is… as well as how op flying machine bombs are and etc… so i just stopped arguing with them.
I would like to see orc being able to expand but i also believe that orc has least opinions about healing and mana regen and needs some help there too. Make wd viable maybe?
Happy should praioritise defending expansion over herrasing human expansion, its more save way to stay in the game like what he did in the first game
No. you let human tech to gyro/gryphon/knights, you get destroyed in the late game.
Yes or do it like fortyy does :
Some army defending some attacking main some attacking enemy expansion while militia creeping. Doing that with ud is more effective cause hu cant heal fast and for free
Can someone explain why Happy abandoned CL first strat? It looked pretty solid most of the time. Neo says that this strat got figure by Human players but I don't remember Happy getting beaten too many times when going CL. What exactly happened?
GGs
Диман Костин 4tw 🎉
Spoilers for entire clan war
Crazy storyline. It looked like Laby was gonna be the unexpected carry doing the all kill. Then Forti comes back and owns him. Then happy comes in wins the first and gets wrecked the next two. Once again under pressure Forti carries his team and Happy crumbles (during the round robin Forti did horrible in 1v1). Can’t wait to see how far Forti takes it he’s the top dog right now.
do you know how these teams were picked?
humba
So much apm the last game
Humba...
Meanwhile Laby beat Sok and Starbuck?
Cope and Seethe
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@@tak08810 does not matter. If ud doesn’t have 100% win rate every other race is op!
He didnt eat a goul but a skellie
He ate ghoul. You could have checked instead of writing this comment
happy noob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Humans are just OP
Do you need a tissue to wipe your tears?
Nah I'm being sarcastic 🤣😂