A HUGE thank you to youtube.com/@TheRemembrancer for lending his lovely voice to the particularly spooky bits of this video! If you like Warhammer 40k lore (and his voice) you should DEFO give him a follow and check out his channel :D
Great video! Could we please see a video similar to an Iceberg, where you just pick an hour's worth of stories/lore tidbits from a setting that stand out to you as especially interesting, awesome, funny, or scary? It would be really nice to see one for Warhammer Fantasy as that's my favourite and it has lots of amazing details from over the years but also 40k, 30k and AoS ones as well would be fun too! I have been meaning to get caught up on AoS lore 🤔 Thank you fellow Rogue, hope you have a good day! :D
My daughter came in because she "Heard a sweet voice describing crazy stories" and now she has started the Horus Heresy. Thank you for making my job easier!
I played in a Dark Heresy campaign centered on the Murder Room and our GM firmly went with the "Khorne did it" angle. We chased insane serial killers on three planets, lost sanity to crime scenes so unimaginably gruesome they had psychic echos and even encountered (ie: fled in terror from) a World Eater on an unholy pilgrimage to find the Murder Room himself. We never found it or the last killer and I lost two characters before the campaign ended but it was very memorable.
I ran a Dark Heresy campaign that had the Tyrant Star as a background influence. In my game, it was the undead remains of a failed birth of another ruinous power; think if Slaanesh wasn't wholly formed during creation. It traveled around consuming the souls of those on worlds driven to madness and murder by its presence.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 I heard he's the only Primarch with 12 legions at his command. Uses Gene seed from his human side to pad out 11 of them so the results are... variable. Kenneth Copeland used to be one before he got kicked out for heresy.
You guys are so weird about conspiratorial plot twists, man. It's a fact that chaos deities can choose their physical appearance as they have no true physical form. It's obvious that kairos was designed as a perversion of the aquila, if that particular symbolism was even intentional at all.
@@DarthReluctant It also explains lore changes. Everything is lore because Tzeentch changes things in the past so they have always been that way. That means lore changes are part of the lore.
Szarekh The Silent King travelled outside the Milky Way to another galaxy. He found it completeley destroyed by the Tyranids, and then he came back to our galaxy to stop the incoming hive fleets that were crossing the void.
Just listener to the Aquila = Kairos part and my partner walked past and shouted LOVE THAT. It's the most she's engaged with Warhammer in 13 years 😂 well done on getting through haha
Gozer the Traveller. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large, moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants, they chose a new form for him... That of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you.
What could be worse than the Heresy, in the Emperor's eyes? The Emperor is defined, in his own words, by his core belief that _"mankind must be ruled."_ Horus still wanted an imperium; only one that he ruled instead. So, even more anathema to the Emperor's designs, would be primarchs turning to anti-imperialism.
@@mikecohen7716 And then there is Rogal Dorn, sacrificing billions to make sure Terra survives, and not even considering how this probably just made even more imperial planets go traitor, or sit on the fence... Putting him in charge was highkey the *worst* desicion the Emperor ever made.
watching all of this being told to me whilst im looking at the worlds most colourful background with rainbow space marines in the back was truly an experience only available here at rogue hobbies.
I don't... Because mine are a total of ~34'000pts of a 17th legion host (60 terminators, ~50chosen marines, ~30 posessed including the gal vorbak, ~500 regular marines ~30raptors, ~50havocs, 2 Land Raiders, 4predators, 5 Rhinos, a defiler, 3 regular dreadnaughts, 3 dreadclaw assault pods, a hell talon bomber, 2 hell blade intercrptors, a mehara gal dreadnaught, 3 contemptor dreadnaughts, ~50lesser daemons 8 bloodletters, a bloodthirster, a daemon prince, 20 noise marines, 20 death guard, 88 world eaters, 18 thousand sons) a posessed Warhound of Mars, and a full Armoured brigade (1super-heavy tank company of 4 baneblades, 1 Shadowsword, 2 tank companies, 1 artillery company, 1 armored fist company, 1HQ company and 1 mechanised recon/armoured assault engineers company) of mutated renegade Auxilia...
One thing I really like about Warhammer, and other sci-fi universes, is when they stay grounded in one galaxy, as the gaps between galaxies are a whole different threshold than just travelling around the one galaxy. It's also then amusing that so many 'gods' of different species are so closely packed in to one another.
So glad to hear someone pronounce ‘chitin’ correctly. I’ve seen so many people pronounce it like it rhymes with “hitting’, and it drives me nuts. Thank you. That alone is worth a thumbs up.
I would love some creepy stuff based on the table top, like some super obscure stuff that has nothing to do with the lore or setting itself but only about the tabletop.
What's interesting to me about the two missing legions is how much it changed over time. Originally it was supposed to be a "Imperium bureaucracy stinks," Like we legitimately forgot who Two and Eleven were. They could be really any chapter and we don't know. But that it became time to write the Horus Heresy books, And the authors made in my opinion a wise decision to not introduce two new main characters, So they alter the story to be that the Legions were erased before the Heresy. It was a brilliant way to get around the issue, and it creates a whole new set of mysteries to the franchise.
You could definitely add Kheradruach the Decapitator, the four-armed mandrake who's collected thousands of skulls from creatures all across the galaxy, and perfectly arranged them to all stare at single point in his lair. There are only a few spots for skulls left, and "the air almost hums with a building sense of forbidden power about to break through the veil." I've always wanted to know what will happen when he completes the collection, and wished they'd bring him back and give him a model, especially now that mandrakes have a fancy new kit.
@@PraetorHesperusit extended the reach of aelindrach in commoragh, which actually helped stabilise things during the disjunction. I always knew the creepy four armed skull collector would save the day
I LOVE the mystery about the map of Terra on a random planet from “Horus Rising”. Imagine being on a different PLANET across the galaxy, and seeing a map of your home world?! Such a fun mystery!
As I recall, when I read that book I didn't picture it as being a current map of Earth vs the 30k version, but Earth in an earlier geological period and so with different continental arrangements.
@@philipbowles5397 I pictured it as the current map of Earth. Loken describes it as, "...a map of Terra from an age long gone, before the rise of the hives or the molestation of war, with coastlines and oceans and mountains of an aspect long since covered over." He says only the Emperor himself recognised it as a map of Terra. He mentions hive cities and war, but not continental drift. There wouldn't have been much of that since the Emperor's birth in 8000 BCE. So I interpreted it as a map from round about nowadays.
@@RoganGunn That makes sense, I just hadn't thought of it in those terms. And while the Emperor wouldn't have personally observed continental drift he's been around long enough and would have been keeping sufficiently apprised of the state of science that he would no doubt recognise maps of previous parts of the Earth's history. Being modern Earth makes the map's origin likely fairly prosaic - the Eldar at least would have had contact with humanity prior to the Imperium, as both cultures were at their technological and territorial height. Likely other aliens, many no doubt destroyed subsequently, would have enjoyed some sort of relationship with humanity. The Eldar aren't likely to have paid humanity much attention - I like to imagine they treated human superweapons and STC-level AIs as amusing trinkets that they might have picked up occasionally as trade goods with the purpose of entertaining their children - but they would have known they were powerful by the standards of lesser races and maybe wanted to map their homeworld.
@@philipbowles5397 Another possibility (mentioned by another commenter elsewhere on this video) is that humanity spread across the stars during the Dark Age of Technology. The oceans were only lost during the Age of Strife iirc. So maybe it was humans who brought that map there, as a diplomatic gift, or the aliens whose world it was traded with Terra. As for the Eldar - sure they probably traded or maybe even allied with humanity during this period. Remember that the Golden Throne was not the Emperor's invention. He adapted it from a device left there in prehistory, most likely the Eldar. Hence why the Custodes allied with Dark Eldar to repair it one time. (Allegedly!) 😅
That murder room mystery is terrifying to think of. It feels more like something a creepy pasta author would create, or even a horrifying urban myth we have today.
I love stories like that, it just nests itself in your mind with something mundane you might have felt once, the hesitation of opening a door is something that everyone must have felt at least once, even if you knew there was nothing on the other side of that door, that little nagging feeling you get when you don't know is what this story uses against you so effectively
Aside from references to it being an actual astronomical body that's been observed, it sounds a lot like a prophetic vision of a Tyranid invasion. And no one it seems can confirm actually having seen it - while what they do seem to have seen looks a lot like a total eclipse (maybe a Hive Fleet blocking the sun?).
I’d never really considered taking up Necromunda as a game but hearing that bit about the Delaq and their lovecraftian background makes me very interested.
This was so good, your deliverance was flawless. I've been in the hobby for over thirty years, and you still managed to teach me a thing or two. Future fuel, there is another primar that has been continually cloned. The deamon primarch Fulgrim has been playing with an old friend.
‘The Forgotten and The Purged’ - One of those primarchs did something heinous enough during the Cruade as to unleash the legions and primarchs upon them, and the other is pretty much confirmed by old Malcy to have been essentially blanked from memory by him and Big E. Given the implication one of them is psychic or gifted with foresight, it was possible one at least questioned the emperor’s plans fully, seeing the Imperium for what it would become and that his ‘great design’ was flawed and would lead to the Imperium we see in 40,000 - he refused the Emperor’s call and to kneel, and so was purged as to ensure compliance
My headcanon is one of them fell to the Rangdan and the Big E browned his trousers when he realised they could be corrupted so sent Jonson and a whole bunch of Genocide-level hidden weapons to deal with the Rangdan.
This was a lot of fun! I was listening to this while painting, and having that guest narrator do the quotes really pulled my attention in an immersive way. Moar loar plz!
I think that video is made joyous by going from the MURDER ROOM to your cheerful goodbye. I felt it needed a 'And don't have nightmares' style comment at the end. Anyway someone in Warhammer loves H P Lovecraft.
I'm glad you decided to stick with your original idea to explore this aspect of the lore, always appreciate the work you put into making your videos, you were the primary reason I picked up painting again after taking a hiatus since 7th edition. Cheers!
Really enjoyed this video! However, I put this on to sleep to and I became that meme, where the girl is trying to sleep but her brain keeps her awake, over the Aquilla/Tzeentch segment!
Just had this video pop up as a recommendation. The RUclips algorithm actually getting stuff right after all these years is possibly a scarier mystery than this whole list... Anyway, cracking content, have another sub!
A few there I was not aware of, one of my favourites is that the tower of leng is within the emperor's place. Also I am sold on the Aquila each wing has 9 feathers
I haven't read The Buried Dagger yet, but from the quote including 'the wars to come', I think Malcador's confessions included visions of the 41st Millennium (and presumably the intervening millennia). It seems, at least out of the context of the full book, that the implication is that knowledge of the 40k universe is so disturbing to those living 10,000 years before that they may find suicide preferable. This fits a common theme in the series, which has a number of teases of the 40k universe and universally horrified reactions of those to whom it's revealed, including if I recall the madness and deaths of several Astropaths who are witness to such a vision. So it may have nothing to do with anything Malcador himself has actually done.
I think it is just because they knew that destroying Chaos would involve a lot of wars, that even after the Great Crusade, there would be more wars, against Necrons, Orks, Eldar and all other Xenos Species that remained either hidden or could not be fully erradicated, and even when all other Xenos laid dead, Chaos would try something, and more war would happen, they knew that this would be an ongoing war against Chaos, they would have to continously fight Chaos until Humanity reached a god like level, that could be comparable to the Emperor himself. So Malcador likely talked about the wars that would be waged for millions of years to come.
i LOVE this. This is lunchtime table talk with my mates at school style goodness. 40k is SO fun to discuss and 'ruminate' on :) . Thank you for making this, what fun 😁
Really love this video, creepy Warhammer is always the best. Some say Lovecraft arose from the dead to see this video then crawled back in to his resting place in fear.
For the "what lies beyond" part, the silent king reportedly spent centuries outside the galaxy and potentially in other galaxies fighting enemies including the tyranids. Necron ftl works outside the galaxy because they don't use the warp
Additions/clarifications: in no particular order. 1) Both Rogal Dorn and Roboute Guilliman think they killed Alpharius. Are they both right? Or more fun: are neither right? 2) Lost Primarchs and Malcador: on many illustrations of Malcador he’s sitting on a large chair (including the one you yourself used). On the arm bolsters of that chair are the numbers II and XI, the same as the lost Primarchs. 3) Invisible Tyranid - so suspicious was the Deathwatch (Ordo Xenos aligned Space Marine special assignment made up of volunteers from many chapters) that they transferred the entire stasis cell unopened to be studied at Watch Fortress Erioch. 4) Blackstone Fortresses are typically found inactivated, in the shape of a double-layer X, and are either relics of the War in Heaven or some piece of Aeldari misdirection - they consistently claim they’re the Eyes of Vaul and there is external evidence of what that means, but the Aeldari could always be lying. Given their age however arising from at most recent the peak of power of the Aeldari empire it’s implausible they don’t know what they are unless the Fortresses predate the Aeldari. Since they are psychic weapons that implies some form of Old One, Aeldari, or Krourk technology. If so, why does a Blackstone Fortress when activating rotate to take the exact shape of the 8 pointed star of Chaos Undivided? What does that imply the Chaos Gods actually are? 5) Ancient Map of Terra: sad to debunk this one, but you forgot that based on any of the timelines of Terra’s loss of her oceans it happened after the Golden Age of Technology, when humanity had far more effective FTL and were less xenophobic, making the likely way the map got there that it was simply brought by pre-Imperial humans. 6) What lies beyond: you’re forgetting that Szarekh, last of the Silent Kings, travelled far beyond the galactic boundaries during his self-imposed exile, so he at least knows first hand what’s out there (it’s implied to be Tyranids galore). Whether humanity at its peak ever developed an analog to the Necron Inertialess Drive (which is how the Silent King would have remained superluminal beyond the range of the Warp and Dolmen Gate access) is unknown, but for fun: the Tyranids could be entering the Milky Way’s galactic plain because its fleeing an intact Golden Age of Technology human civilization - which would be more than a match for them. 7) Real Fulgrim: you forgot to add that Clone Fulgrim has all of the special juju that makes Primarchs special - and that Clone Horus was missing which is why Abbadon was able to kill him. This implies that the Demon Primarchs lost something and Fabius Bile was able to recapture it with Fulgrim, meaning he could do so with all of the others. We already know the Emperor could have brought Ferrus Manus back (he said so), leaving the return path open for loyalist versions of them all to return (except maybe Horus), deceased and demon alike.
My favourite creepy warhammer mystery is the Calixian Pattern Killings. Basically 40k's Jack the Ripper. Each victim has their throat slashed by a blade of exceeding sharpness, in some cases severing the head completely; sometimes further dismembered and organs removed. The odd bit is that the killings form an ongoing pattern separated by geography and time, sometimes whole worlds apart. The finest seers and savants have been driven mad for merely focusing their minds on the mystery and for centuries the killings have not stopped, nor has their meaning been deciphered. The diversity of the victims and the locale of the crimes are great. Some are the lowliest of workers slaving in a processing mill, others have been wealthy and important individuals killed in their homes. All the killings occur at night, in some cases a darkened public space mere yards away from other citizens who hear nothing of the crime done so close to them. Some victims have been found dead in locked rooms, the only access a window opening to a perilously long drop. Those who have caught a glimpse of the killer give a consistent and disturbing set of details: a pair of eyes glittering so they almost appear to burn, a strange fluid quickness of movement, and the swirl of a dark cloak or the repeated tap of a cane. All who have confronted him (or it) have been left maimed or dead.
Thanks for the story time, did not feel like 50 minutes. I dig the twilight zone/outer limits vibe on the 'endings'.... so next time you hear screaching from a factory, is that just the grind of machinery... or are they making vellum!
Awesome video, loved the use of the excerpts from the books! It would be great to see you go a bit more in depth on each topic when there's sufficient material to work with, even if it's just exploring theories. Looking forward to the next one!
I think people overthink the “what could the two erased primarchs have done that was WORSE than heresy?”. The two erased primarchs were deleted during the golden years of the Imperium during the Great Crusade. The focus was on unity and the Emperor’s creations being flawless - hence proof otherwise needed to be suppressed and denied. Presumably, Horus’s treachery was so vast (armies and galaxy wise) that it was much harder to deny than two primarchs and legions that may have not even been at full strength given how early in the crusade they were apparently erased. More importantly, post-heresy, the sins of Horus and his kin would have been useful to reunify and rally the remnants of the Imperium before the Imperium became strong enough to revert to secrecy and denial. To me, that’s a simple and straightforward explanation. The two primarchs likely had been exposed to Xenos influence or to human worlds that were friendly or intermingled with Xenos races. In an age of Xenocide, primarchs refusing to eradicate alien species would have been unacceptable.
The Murder Room feels more like an SCP than a Warhammer lore thing, lol. Fun video. It's crazy how even though 40K is so detailed, it's so vague at the same time. It provides both a solid foundation and a vast open landscape to explore fun concepts, both official and homebrew. I really wonder if there will ever be a fictional universe that will be able to rival it in terms of scope.
Thanks Louise. That was awesome! I’m wanting to run a Wrath and Glory 40K campaign and these creepy and open ended bits of lore have got my imagination going wild!
The Halo-devices have an upside though, wich makes them highly desirable, even though the outcome mentioned in this video is known. The thing could make you super human without the mutation and hunger for flesh. It's a very bad odds gamble and the result lays far in the future, nobody can tell if it worked desirably or monstrously, and any documentation and observer will be lost to time.
Regarding the Lost Primarchs, if we look at all the available evidence, we know what happened to them. They are referred to in a very, very specific way - the Lost and the Forgotten, with capitalised letters on each term. We know Russ killed one of them, the part we don't know was why, some theories say he rebelled, others say he was being controlled by a Xenos power such as the Enslavers. We know for a fact both were purged during the Rangdan Xenocides so only the Legions who were there such as the Luna Wolves and Dark Angels know what truly happened to them, Horus even still knew their names and was angry about them being purged from history (this was pre-Horus Rising so we're talking loyalist Horus, with his sense of honour and brotherhood still intact) so we know Russ and his Legion had to put down one of them (likely the Lost, the 2nd Legion), and the other, the Forgotten, the 11th Legion simply fell to rampant, unstoppable, incurable gene-seed mutations and the survivors of one or the other, if not both, were absorbed into the Ultramarines (makes sense for it to be the remnants of the 11th, since the Ultramarines have the most stable geneseed) so we know the 2nd were put down, likely in their entirety, and the 11th were broken from within by their own genetics. That is the heavily implied fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions. What's even more interesting is that in the Dark Cells there is a cell titled "Subject XI" which is 11 in Roman numerals, which all the Astartes Legions used, meaning that the 11th Primarch could even still be alive, just contained as some mutated monster (maybe he can partially control it, who knows), underneath Terra and only the Custodes know about it (the Emperor's mind is considered too broken from his interaction with Guilliman after he returned and went to Terra to commune with his father so I'm not counting him in his current state)
@@EtherealDoomed Its just a theory given the nickname and that the Ultramarines took in what was left of them, could have just been that their Primarch and like half or more of their Legion were KIA
A truly terrifying concept is that, out of all the races of the 40K universe, the oldest race, BY FAR, are the Tyranids. We know they are extra-galactic invaders. The closest non-sattelite galaxy to the Milky Way is Andromeda (M31). That's 2.538 million light years away. Lore says Narvhal ships can utilize stellar gravity wells to reach superluminal speeds, but you can't do that between galaxies- no gravity wells or stellar bodies to work with, and gravity weakens at a rate equal to the square of the distance between relative bodies, so that's a no-go. They had to cross that void the same way thwy do final approach to invasions. Lore also says that sometimes, that time can take up to a Terran decade. Well, it took Voyager just about 10 years to get from Earth to Pluto, so that's a good reference speed. It moved at 4.1 AU/year, which is some 43 thousand miles per hour (43477.8634 if you want to do the math). Expressed as a value of c, it's 0.000065 the speed of light. Let's plus in the numbers: 2.538 million divided by 0.000065 would be some 39 billion years at those canonical speeds. The War in Heaven was only, ONLY, 60 MILLION years ago. And that's to get HERE. The Silent King said they were EVERYWHERE he looked. Tyranids are coming from MULTIPLE directions. Si they spent time goijg to OTHER galaxies first. Unless it sent them all simultaneously, or they have some sort of additional super-secret means of intergalactic travel we haven't seen, they are probably the oldest living species IN THE UNIVERSE.
If I recall, Sanguinius mentioned one of the lost primarchs having a similar mutation to himself and he believes that to be the reason the primarch was purged. Him hoping E-Money doesn't notice his own mutation is...pretty stupid. A popular theory for the other one is, they were pro-xeno and were part of some tau-like empire already. Another being, they're Sigmar and Archaon.
I always loved the 'Twin comet' theory, problem is Archaon wasn't born till centuries after Sigmar's arrival and was just a normal man until he fell to Chaos.
If you actually look at all the available evidence, we know what happened to them. They are referred to in a very, very specific way - the Lost and the Forgotten, with capitalised letters on each term. We know Russ killed one of them, the part we don't know was why, some theories say he rebelled, others say he was being controlled by a Xenos power such as the Enslavers. We know for a fact both were purged during the Rangdan Xenocides so only the Legions who were there such as the Luna Wolves and Dark Angels know what truly happened to them, Horus even still knew their names and was angry about them being purged from history (this was pre-Horus Rising so we're talking loyalist Horus, with his sense of honour and brotherhood still intact) so we know Russ and his Legion had to put down one of them (likely the Lost, the 2nd Legion), and the other, the Forgotten, the 11th Legion simply fell to rampant, unstoppable, incurable gene-seed mutations and the survivors of one or the other, if not both, were absorbed into the Ultramarines (makes sense for it to be the remnants of the 11th, since the Ultramarines have the most stable geneseed) so we know the 2nd were put down, likely in their entirety, and the 11th were broken from within by their own genetics. That is the heavily implied fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions.
@@Bacxaber Wasn't saying it in a hostile way at all mate, you perceived that entirely on your own, I said it in more of an interesting way like "this is what we can deduce by looking at all the available evidence" kinda way, I genuinely don't get where you're getting any hostility from
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 The way it was phrased clearly implies that you think I'm talking out of my ass and asserting theories as canon, which I did not do. Neutral intentions or not, I don't see how you _couldn't_ see that.
I have been aware of your channel, but due to time constraints I've mostly stuck to the lore channels I've known. This video really, really put your channel up there on the top of my list, next to Leutin and Arbitor Ian. This was one of the best 40k lore vids ever, loved the format. Good job!
Let's not forget Thousand Sons dreadnoughts, because they're all wizards or robots, who knows where they get the recruits to wire up inside the sarcophagi...
In my humble opinion, your best video yet, mate. Would welcome more lore-focused vids. Perhaps one examining seeming contradictions across the editions - and possible explanations for them.
Okay, just got to the invisible Tyranid part, has anyone asked why the kill-team didn't just, oh I don't know, spray some paint into the cage to see what would happen? There's documented lore of Tyranids like Lictors developing means to block or absorb nearly any and all kinds of means of detection, but if a captured one were to be sprayed with paint and the paint appears on something invisible, or disappears after hitting something in the cage, then they can conclude that they have something in there. At least they noticed that the cage was heavier than when it was opened, suggesting that something was inside it, right? Regarding the Blackstone Fortresses, isn't the most popular theory that they were created by the Old Ones to use against the C'tan during the War in Heaven? The Eldar refer to them as the "Talismans of Vaul", Vaul being the Eldar god of the forge, and the commonly-accepted consensus is that the Eldar gods were psychically-manifested psychic superweapons created by the ancient Eldar to use in the War in Heaven. Furthermore, there is lore of the Void Dragon being hit by the combined power of 6 of them, and we know that the power of Blackstones scales exponentially, with 2 being able to blow up planets and 3 able to cause supernovas. The fact that the Blackstones are equipped with giant WARP cannons, and the Warp being the best thing to use to damage C'tan, it all lines up pretty well. Edit: the video covered it, cool. Regarding the stuff outside of the galaxy, there is the old White Dwarf story about some Admech sending a probe in the direction of another galaxy and only getting back Ork noises, the theory that since the Tyranids are coming from different directions, they have already consumed every other galaxy worth mentioning, the newer Necron codex mentioning how the Silent King apparently travelled to and conquered parts of other galaxies before fining the Tyranids and rushing back home to wake up the other Necrons, and the quote from I believe it was a Void Dragon shard stating that in the ancient past, he ruled over empires stretching over at least "a thousand galaxies" correct me if I'm wrong and if anyone has the specific source for that. Though given that the C'tan have existed since more or less the Universe itself, it's not that unbelievable to think that some species before the Necrons encountered them and gave them the ability to interact with the physical universe more directly, considering that they fought and lost a war against the Old Ones BEFORE encountering the Necrons.
There's a possible creepy mystery in the Drukhari "religion". The Drukhari do still worship the old Aeldari gods, but as a society they had started moving away from proper following of that faith - instead following what they called the Dark Muses... who were sort of like the Dark Eldar version of saints. Each is a Dark Eldar who pioneered a practice and philosophy that embodied a particular vice, and you could only be classified as one after you die and the Aeldari decided to adopt you as a semi-divine patron (which is why Vect faked his death to declare himself a Living Muse). The mystery is in the muses themselves - the known muses are Shaimesh (Lord of Poisons), Lhilitu (Consort of the Void), Vileth (no epithet but popular with Archons), Hekatii (the Red Crone), Qa'leh (Mistress of Blades) and Ynesth (again no epithet, but there's a Kabal that's seeking her ashes). Shaimesh, Lord of Poisons, in particular is "the treacherous brother of the Cosmic Serpent", and an inspiration to both the Hameonculi and the Lhamaeans. ...Except that's weird, how does a Dark Eldar become brother to the Cosmic Serpent? Meanwhile, in Exodite lore, the Exodites don't follow the old Aeldari gods either - they worship the Cosmic Serpent, the Cosmic Serpent's dangerous destroyer-god brother Cobra, and Scorpion (no relation to the Striking variety), and we can also assume from that pattern that they possibly also worship Falcon and the Great Hawk and any other mythic beasts of Aeldari myth, all of whom have vehicles named after them by the Asuryani. Wait a moment... Cobra the brother of the Cosmic Serpent? Let's dig down on that shall we? Cobra is described as a short-tempered, fickle ally, to whom the serpent turned to for aid only during the darkest days of the War in Heaven, and the kind of destroyer who doesn't care if they hurt allies in the process. Seems kinda treacherous, huh? And maybe a little poisonous? Like Cobras tend to be? So then... maybe Cobra poisoned Shaimesh's mind against the Asuryani gods? Or was Shaimesh even really an Aeldari at all? Maybe Cobra possessed a mortal vessel and kicked off the Dark Muse thing entirely, eventually leading to the birth of Slaanesh? We don't get to know.
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A HUGE thank you to youtube.com/@TheRemembrancer for lending his lovely voice to the particularly spooky bits of this video!
If you like Warhammer 40k lore (and his voice) you should DEFO give him a follow and check out his channel :D
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I really really like how you mix your content. It is warhammer related but still goes in many different directions.
Great video! Could we please see a video similar to an Iceberg, where you just pick an hour's worth of stories/lore tidbits from a setting that stand out to you as especially interesting, awesome, funny, or scary? It would be really nice to see one for Warhammer Fantasy as that's my favourite and it has lots of amazing details from over the years but also 40k, 30k and AoS ones as well would be fun too! I have been meaning to get caught up on AoS lore 🤔
Thank you fellow Rogue, hope you have a good day! :D
Louise you are a great artist, do not let the chuds tell you otherwise!
Wouldn't it technically be 21 sons since one set are twins? Or that's what they want you to think.
And here I was, not knowing that I had a 2000pts army of invisible Tyranids just sitting in my closet.
Guess the next colour in the Louise Sugden signature series😊
"Let it be known, I can see through your xenotic schemes!"
Woz dey purple?!
Same, I still haven't got round to painting them yet though
just like 2000pts of purple Orks that somehow keep getting misplaced.
My daughter came in because she "Heard a sweet voice describing crazy stories" and now she has started the Horus Heresy. Thank you for making my job easier!
@@Leroy_Jenkins_ amazing 🤣🤣🤣
Awwww
That's awesome ❤
She dived into the deep end like Leeeroyyyyyyy Jennnnnnkiiiiiinnsss
@@HistoritorJimaldusAt least we have chicken.
What’s REALLY creepy is there is a spooky skeleton inside every space marine
And inside everyone else.
The skeleton inside you is waiting. Hungering for the day it can burst from its flesh prison and join the Skeleton War.
too many bones
Without ribs... We don't see that ever, but there It is.
Source? Is there a black library book about it?
No! Not Marneus Calgar! Take it back! Take it back!
Yes inquisitor, this is the video I was talking about.
👀
Well done imperial citizen. You have done a favor to his emperors most holy Inquisition. One last thing citizen. Did you watch it? I insist to know.
@@TheKaos8 😱
@@TheKaos8this inquisitor renegade failed to capitalize "His" name, and title of Emperor!
@@kel8923they must be a heretic! No imperial would say His name without the calitalization, unless they are a filthy heretic!
Shrodingers Tyrannid. Until the invisible Tyrannid kills you, it is both there and not there at the same time.
Pavlovs Tyrannid: ring the bell, tyrannids eat everything
But if you’re not there anymore, did it even off you?
I thought the same thing haha
same with the tau. they only win when they fight space marines.
I played in a Dark Heresy campaign centered on the Murder Room and our GM firmly went with the "Khorne did it" angle. We chased insane serial killers on three planets, lost sanity to crime scenes so unimaginably gruesome they had psychic echos and even encountered (ie: fled in terror from) a World Eater on an unholy pilgrimage to find the Murder Room himself.
We never found it or the last killer and I lost two characters before the campaign ended but it was very memorable.
I ran a Dark Heresy campaign that had the Tyrant Star as a background influence. In my game, it was the undead remains of a failed birth of another ruinous power; think if Slaanesh wasn't wholly formed during creation. It traveled around consuming the souls of those on worlds driven to madness and murder by its presence.
@@KrisHyre You all need Jesus (and also this is awesome and terrifying).
@@whalenonfools Jesus? How many divisions does he have?
@@whalenonfools You mean worship a corpse god that is NOT the Emperor? Heresy.
@@antediluvianatheist5262 I heard he's the only Primarch with 12 legions at his command. Uses Gene seed from his human side to pad out 11 of them so the results are... variable. Kenneth Copeland used to be one before he got kicked out for heresy.
As one of those five people, I appreciate that 'the aquilla is Kairos' made it on the iceberg.
It makes so much sense!
I always said the Imperium is an Agent of Chaos, so that theory checks out.
You guys are so weird about conspiratorial plot twists, man. It's a fact that chaos deities can choose their physical appearance as they have no true physical form.
It's obvious that kairos was designed as a perversion of the aquila, if that particular symbolism was even intentional at all.
Skulls for the Golden Throne! Blood for the God Emperor!
@@DarthReluctant It also explains lore changes. Everything is lore because Tzeentch changes things in the past so they have always been that way. That means lore changes are part of the lore.
39:27 the fade into the narrator for the quote is an awesome bit of polish and a lovely touch to a great video. Very much enjoyed it!
Szarekh The Silent King travelled outside the Milky Way to another galaxy. He found it completeley destroyed by the Tyranids, and then he came back to our galaxy to stop the incoming hive fleets that were crossing the void.
Just listener to the Aquila = Kairos part and my partner walked past and shouted LOVE THAT. It's the most she's engaged with Warhammer in 13 years 😂 well done on getting through haha
Your partner has good taste, because that one was a banger. I entirely buy this theory.
I wish Abnett would finish Bequin 3 so we can find out about the king in yellow. This is the biggest mystery to me.
Khorne: You were not given permission to use my bathroom.
Sly Marbo walks in, just grunts at him gives Khorne the finger
It’s no mystery that this is top tier content.
😊
Gozer the Traveller. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldronaii, the Traveller came as a large, moving Torb! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the Meketrex Supplicants, they chose a new form for him... That of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Sloar that day, I can tell you.
GOZER THE GOZERIAN
Or, the Stay Puft Marshmallowman?
What could be worse than the Heresy, in the Emperor's eyes? The Emperor is defined, in his own words, by his core belief that _"mankind must be ruled."_ Horus still wanted an imperium; only one that he ruled instead. So, even more anathema to the Emperor's designs, would be primarchs turning to anti-imperialism.
I agree. I think one or both of the Primarchs favored a non-Monarchical government, and wouldn't be persuaded otherwise.
So the crime that caused II and XI to be purged was.... Starting a union? Was Big E Jeff Bezos?
@@mikecohen7716 And then there is Rogal Dorn, sacrificing billions to make sure Terra survives, and not even considering how this probably just made even more imperial planets go traitor, or sit on the fence... Putting him in charge was highkey the *worst* desicion the Emperor ever made.
"murder-room" aka putting your cat in the box before going to the vet 🥵
Time to get Spooky 0.0
@@TheRemembrancer you WOULD know!
Spoopy
watching all of this being told to me whilst im looking at the worlds most colourful background with rainbow space marines in the back was truly an experience only available here at rogue hobbies.
This was actually spooky. Im keeping my space marine army with me at night from now on
The only eternal protector is faith in The Emperor.
I don't...
Because mine are a total of ~34'000pts of a 17th legion host (60 terminators, ~50chosen marines, ~30 posessed including the gal vorbak, ~500 regular marines ~30raptors, ~50havocs, 2 Land Raiders, 4predators, 5 Rhinos, a defiler, 3 regular dreadnaughts, 3 dreadclaw assault pods, a hell talon bomber, 2 hell blade intercrptors, a mehara gal dreadnaught, 3 contemptor dreadnaughts, ~50lesser daemons 8 bloodletters, a bloodthirster, a daemon prince, 20 noise marines, 20 death guard, 88 world eaters, 18 thousand sons) a posessed Warhound of Mars, and a full Armoured brigade (1super-heavy tank company of 4 baneblades, 1 Shadowsword, 2 tank companies, 1 artillery company, 1 armored fist company, 1HQ company and 1 mechanised recon/armoured assault engineers company) of mutated renegade Auxilia...
@@SonsOfLorgar Impressive. Still, filthy heretics, all of them
@@SonsOfLorgar I was going to say...my Word Bearers are sleeping in the garage tonight.
now that you say it I need space marine plushies
I need enough 40k plushies to play plushie kill team
These lore deep-dives are possibly my favourite types of video you do, keep up the good work!
Tzeentch causes the Mandela effect confirmed
Still not over this tbh
One thing I really like about Warhammer, and other sci-fi universes, is when they stay grounded in one galaxy, as the gaps between galaxies are a whole different threshold than just travelling around the one galaxy.
It's also then amusing that so many 'gods' of different species are so closely packed in to one another.
So glad to hear someone pronounce ‘chitin’ correctly. I’ve seen so many people pronounce it like it rhymes with “hitting’, and it drives me nuts. Thank you. That alone is worth a thumbs up.
I loved the deep cuts from the old Fantasy Flight RPGs. The Dark Heresy and Rogue Trader deep cuts were a real nostalgia trip!
That one story from "Let the Galaxy Burn" about the guy on a navy ship who makes friends with a Dark Age AI that took over someone's body
Also published in Crucible of War (which I just read) - it’s called ‘Ancient History’
Seems appropriate Obiwan Sherlock Cleasueau is in the background🤣
Neat we went from "Fishmen" to "Baldymen"
Loving the obscure lore stuff!
I would love some creepy stuff based on the table top, like some super obscure stuff that has nothing to do with the lore or setting itself but only about the tabletop.
I bet Malcador pulled a USB device without ejecting it first.
The horror 🫠
What's interesting to me about the two missing legions is how much it changed over time. Originally it was supposed to be a "Imperium bureaucracy stinks," Like we legitimately forgot who Two and Eleven were. They could be really any chapter and we don't know.
But that it became time to write the Horus Heresy books, And the authors made in my opinion a wise decision to not introduce two new main characters, So they alter the story to be that the Legions were erased before the Heresy. It was a brilliant way to get around the issue, and it creates a whole new set of mysteries to the franchise.
A pleasant surprise hearing The Remembrancer in this video.
You could definitely add Kheradruach the Decapitator, the four-armed mandrake who's collected thousands of skulls from creatures all across the galaxy, and perfectly arranged them to all stare at single point in his lair. There are only a few spots for skulls left, and "the air almost hums with a building sense of forbidden power about to break through the veil." I've always wanted to know what will happen when he completes the collection, and wished they'd bring him back and give him a model, especially now that mandrakes have a fancy new kit.
He did finish the collection during the Gathering Storm stuff with Ynnead.
@@TomislavRavenbane Ah, must've missed that, guess it wasn't anything that cool since I've never seen it mentioned.
@@PraetorHesperusit extended the reach of aelindrach in commoragh, which actually helped stabilise things during the disjunction. I always knew the creepy four armed skull collector would save the day
I'd love if they gave him a model - loved his depiction in the 5th ed DE book... *sigh* I guess i'll just have to convert one out of Krethusa...
I LOVE the mystery about the map of Terra on a random planet from “Horus Rising”. Imagine being on a different PLANET across the galaxy, and seeing a map of your home world?! Such a fun mystery!
As I recall, when I read that book I didn't picture it as being a current map of Earth vs the 30k version, but Earth in an earlier geological period and so with different continental arrangements.
@@philipbowles5397 I pictured it as the current map of Earth. Loken describes it as, "...a map of Terra from an age long gone, before the rise of the hives or the molestation of war, with coastlines and oceans and mountains of an aspect long since covered over."
He says only the Emperor himself recognised it as a map of Terra. He mentions hive cities and war, but not continental drift. There wouldn't have been much of that since the Emperor's birth in 8000 BCE. So I interpreted it as a map from round about nowadays.
@@RoganGunn That makes sense, I just hadn't thought of it in those terms. And while the Emperor wouldn't have personally observed continental drift he's been around long enough and would have been keeping sufficiently apprised of the state of science that he would no doubt recognise maps of previous parts of the Earth's history.
Being modern Earth makes the map's origin likely fairly prosaic - the Eldar at least would have had contact with humanity prior to the Imperium, as both cultures were at their technological and territorial height. Likely other aliens, many no doubt destroyed subsequently, would have enjoyed some sort of relationship with humanity.
The Eldar aren't likely to have paid humanity much attention - I like to imagine they treated human superweapons and STC-level AIs as amusing trinkets that they might have picked up occasionally as trade goods with the purpose of entertaining their children - but they would have known they were powerful by the standards of lesser races and maybe wanted to map their homeworld.
@@philipbowles5397 Another possibility (mentioned by another commenter elsewhere on this video) is that humanity spread across the stars during the Dark Age of Technology. The oceans were only lost during the Age of Strife iirc.
So maybe it was humans who brought that map there, as a diplomatic gift, or the aliens whose world it was traded with Terra.
As for the Eldar - sure they probably traded or maybe even allied with humanity during this period. Remember that the Golden Throne was not the Emperor's invention. He adapted it from a device left there in prehistory, most likely the Eldar. Hence why the Custodes allied with Dark Eldar to repair it one time. (Allegedly!) 😅
That murder room mystery is terrifying to think of. It feels more like something a creepy pasta author would create, or even a horrifying urban myth we have today.
It has strong scp energy
Like, if the story hadn't brought up planets or Khorne, it would hardly seem like a 40K story at all.
@@roguehobbies It does!
@@Bluecho4 Yeah, definitely!
I love stories like that, it just nests itself in your mind with something mundane you might have felt once, the hesitation of opening a door is something that everyone must have felt at least once, even if you knew there was nothing on the other side of that door, that little nagging feeling you get when you don't know is what this story uses against you so effectively
The Tyrant Star is clearly Da Bad Moon, as worshipped by the Gloomspite Gitz.
Aside from references to it being an actual astronomical body that's been observed, it sounds a lot like a prophetic vision of a Tyranid invasion. And no one it seems can confirm actually having seen it - while what they do seem to have seen looks a lot like a total eclipse (maybe a Hive Fleet blocking the sun?).
I’d never really considered taking up Necromunda as a game but hearing that bit about the Delaq and their lovecraftian background makes me very interested.
"what lies beyond the galaxy?"
Tyranids. just a metric butt-ton of Tyranids. Maybe like, 2 or 3 surviving Old Ones.
And possibly a C'Tan
I always thought the same about Sanguinius, but The End and The Death does put it in no uncertain terms how he gets got
Monkeys? You better stay away from librarians for a while.
OOOK.
Or Jokaero
OOOK OOOK
I didn't expect to find a Discworld reference here, but I'm glad I did.
EEEK
@@nukewaste precisely
This was so good, your deliverance was flawless. I've been in the hobby for over thirty years, and you still managed to teach me a thing or two. Future fuel, there is another primar that has been continually cloned. The deamon primarch Fulgrim has been playing with an old friend.
‘The Forgotten and The Purged’ - One of those primarchs did something heinous enough during the Cruade as to unleash the legions and primarchs upon them, and the other is pretty much confirmed by old Malcy to have been essentially blanked from memory by him and Big E. Given the implication one of them is psychic or gifted with foresight, it was possible one at least questioned the emperor’s plans fully, seeing the Imperium for what it would become and that his ‘great design’ was flawed and would lead to the Imperium we see in 40,000 - he refused the Emperor’s call and to kneel, and so was purged as to ensure compliance
My headcanon is one of them fell to the Rangdan and the Big E browned his trousers when he realised they could be corrupted so sent Jonson and a whole bunch of Genocide-level hidden weapons to deal with the Rangdan.
This was a lot of fun! I was listening to this while painting, and having that guest narrator do the quotes really pulled my attention in an immersive way. Moar loar plz!
That's loremasters done right, without the cheesy public domain soundtrack and an air of exitment. Brilliant 👏
I think that video is made joyous by going from the MURDER ROOM to your cheerful goodbye. I felt it needed a 'And don't have nightmares' style comment at the end. Anyway someone in Warhammer loves H P Lovecraft.
It was hard not to be goofy whilst talking about the MURDER ROOM
I'm glad you decided to stick with your original idea to explore this aspect of the lore, always appreciate the work you put into making your videos, you were the primary reason I picked up painting again after taking a hiatus since 7th edition. Cheers!
HYPE NEW ROUGUE HOBBIES VIDEO ABOUT LORE!!! THIS IS THE HIGHLIGHT OF MY WEEK!
Yeah!
Things that always interested me in the lore, the fire hawks / legion of the damned and what is the black library and what guards it.
Really enjoyed this video!
However, I put this on to sleep to and I became that meme, where the girl is trying to sleep but her brain keeps her awake, over the Aquilla/Tzeentch segment!
This watches like a summary of an entire pre-Doggett season of the X-Files. Love it.
I love to hear the Tyrant Star called out. Calixius Sector represent!
Just had this video pop up as a recommendation. The RUclips algorithm actually getting stuff right after all these years is possibly a scarier mystery than this whole list...
Anyway, cracking content, have another sub!
The Star Child Prophecy sounds a lot like Griffith and the eclipse from Berserk :D
Your best video yet. I really enjoyed painting my sister of battle to it in the background.
A few there I was not aware of, one of my favourites is that the tower of leng is within the emperor's place. Also I am sold on the Aquila each wing has 9 feathers
I haven't read The Buried Dagger yet, but from the quote including 'the wars to come', I think Malcador's confessions included visions of the 41st Millennium (and presumably the intervening millennia). It seems, at least out of the context of the full book, that the implication is that knowledge of the 40k universe is so disturbing to those living 10,000 years before that they may find suicide preferable.
This fits a common theme in the series, which has a number of teases of the 40k universe and universally horrified reactions of those to whom it's revealed, including if I recall the madness and deaths of several Astropaths who are witness to such a vision. So it may have nothing to do with anything Malcador himself has actually done.
I think it is just because they knew that destroying Chaos would involve a lot of wars, that even after the Great Crusade, there would be more wars, against Necrons, Orks, Eldar and all other Xenos Species that remained either hidden or could not be fully erradicated, and even when all other Xenos laid dead, Chaos would try something, and more war would happen, they knew that this would be an ongoing war against Chaos, they would have to continously fight Chaos until Humanity reached a god like level, that could be comparable to the Emperor himself.
So Malcador likely talked about the wars that would be waged for millions of years to come.
i LOVE this. This is lunchtime table talk with my mates at school style goodness. 40k is SO fun to discuss and 'ruminate' on :) . Thank you for making this, what fun 😁
Really love this video, creepy Warhammer is always the best. Some say Lovecraft arose from the dead to see this video then crawled back in to his resting place in fear.
My favourite rumour is that the Tyranid race is fleeing from something in the void, something even more terrifying and ravenous than they are.
yeah i said this out loud to myself at that point...
I like to think they heard about Erebus and went “fuck that bitch imma fuck him up”
.... all we know, he's called the Stig.
For the "what lies beyond" part, the silent king reportedly spent centuries outside the galaxy and potentially in other galaxies fighting enemies including the tyranids. Necron ftl works outside the galaxy because they don't use the warp
I love the transitions to verbatim quotes read by a different narrator; hits that vibe just right. Specifically at 39:29
This is the kind of lore I live for in the settings I love - this was phenomenal!
Additions/clarifications: in no particular order.
1) Both Rogal Dorn and Roboute Guilliman think they killed Alpharius. Are they both right? Or more fun: are neither right?
2) Lost Primarchs and Malcador: on many illustrations of Malcador he’s sitting on a large chair (including the one you yourself used). On the arm bolsters of that chair are the numbers II and XI, the same as the lost Primarchs.
3) Invisible Tyranid - so suspicious was the Deathwatch (Ordo Xenos aligned Space Marine special assignment made up of volunteers from many chapters) that they transferred the entire stasis cell unopened to be studied at Watch Fortress Erioch.
4) Blackstone Fortresses are typically found inactivated, in the shape of a double-layer X, and are either relics of the War in Heaven or some piece of Aeldari misdirection - they consistently claim they’re the Eyes of Vaul and there is external evidence of what that means, but the Aeldari could always be lying. Given their age however arising from at most recent the peak of power of the Aeldari empire it’s implausible they don’t know what they are unless the Fortresses predate the Aeldari. Since they are psychic weapons that implies some form of Old One, Aeldari, or Krourk technology. If so, why does a Blackstone Fortress when activating rotate to take the exact shape of the 8 pointed star of Chaos Undivided? What does that imply the Chaos Gods actually are?
5) Ancient Map of Terra: sad to debunk this one, but you forgot that based on any of the timelines of Terra’s loss of her oceans it happened after the Golden Age of Technology, when humanity had far more effective FTL and were less xenophobic, making the likely way the map got there that it was simply brought by pre-Imperial humans.
6) What lies beyond: you’re forgetting that Szarekh, last of the Silent Kings, travelled far beyond the galactic boundaries during his self-imposed exile, so he at least knows first hand what’s out there (it’s implied to be Tyranids galore). Whether humanity at its peak ever developed an analog to the Necron Inertialess Drive (which is how the Silent King would have remained superluminal beyond the range of the Warp and Dolmen Gate access) is unknown, but for fun: the Tyranids could be entering the Milky Way’s galactic plain because its fleeing an intact Golden Age of Technology human civilization - which would be more than a match for them.
7) Real Fulgrim: you forgot to add that Clone Fulgrim has all of the special juju that makes Primarchs special - and that Clone Horus was missing which is why Abbadon was able to kill him. This implies that the Demon Primarchs lost something and Fabius Bile was able to recapture it with Fulgrim, meaning he could do so with all of the others. We already know the Emperor could have brought Ferrus Manus back (he said so), leaving the return path open for loyalist versions of them all to return (except maybe Horus), deceased and demon alike.
Loved this. My favourite non-painting video so far.
Yay, thank you! 😁
My favourite creepy warhammer mystery is the Calixian Pattern Killings. Basically 40k's Jack the Ripper.
Each victim has their throat slashed by a blade of exceeding sharpness, in some cases severing the head completely; sometimes further dismembered and organs removed. The odd bit is that the killings form an ongoing pattern separated by geography and time, sometimes whole worlds apart. The finest seers and savants have been driven mad for merely focusing their minds on the mystery and for centuries the killings have not stopped, nor has their meaning been deciphered.
The diversity of the victims and the locale of the crimes are great. Some are the lowliest of workers slaving in a processing mill, others have been wealthy and important individuals killed in their homes. All the killings occur at night, in some cases a darkened public space mere yards away from other citizens who hear nothing of the crime done so close to them. Some victims have been found dead in locked rooms, the only access a window opening to a perilously long drop. Those who have caught a glimpse of the killer give a consistent and disturbing set of details: a pair of eyes glittering so they almost appear to burn, a strange fluid quickness of movement, and the swirl of a dark cloak or the repeated tap of a cane. All who have confronted him (or it) have been left maimed or dead.
Random Favourite Weird Timeline thing: The Emperor is so old he can't eat Cheese.
Is he lactose intolerant?
@@Dracobyte yup. The gene for digesting lactose is a relatively recent piece of evolution. Big E predates it.
Loved it, got shivers. Since you asked for future topics, I’d love to hear your favourite sparks of hope in the grim dark future ❤
Thanks for the story time, did not feel like 50 minutes. I dig the twilight zone/outer limits vibe on the 'endings'.... so next time you hear screaching from a factory, is that just the grind of machinery... or are they making vellum!
I'd love to see more more videos! This had some I wasn't aware of (unusual for 40k lore vids!) And was a great, engaging background to paint to!
I came to your channel to learn about base coats and got blown away by this spectacular lore dive. Please do more, that was a lot of fun!
Awesome video, loved the use of the excerpts from the books! It would be great to see you go a bit more in depth on each topic when there's sufficient material to work with, even if it's just exploring theories. Looking forward to the next one!
20 seats... sorry Omeggon,, no seat for you.
They take turns
@@roguehobbies Or sit on each other's lap
I think people overthink the “what could the two erased primarchs have done that was WORSE than heresy?”.
The two erased primarchs were deleted during the golden years of the Imperium during the Great Crusade. The focus was on unity and the Emperor’s creations being flawless - hence proof otherwise needed to be suppressed and denied.
Presumably, Horus’s treachery was so vast (armies and galaxy wise) that it was much harder to deny than two primarchs and legions that may have not even been at full strength given how early in the crusade they were apparently erased.
More importantly, post-heresy, the sins of Horus and his kin would have been useful to reunify and rally the remnants of the Imperium before the Imperium became strong enough to revert to secrecy and denial.
To me, that’s a simple and straightforward explanation. The two primarchs likely had been exposed to Xenos influence or to human worlds that were friendly or intermingled with Xenos races.
In an age of Xenocide, primarchs refusing to eradicate alien species would have been unacceptable.
The Murder Room feels more like an SCP than a Warhammer lore thing, lol.
Fun video. It's crazy how even though 40K is so detailed, it's so vague at the same time. It provides both a solid foundation and a vast open landscape to explore fun concepts, both official and homebrew. I really wonder if there will ever be a fictional universe that will be able to rival it in terms of scope.
Malcador is MJ. The clones are him “talking to the man in the mirror / asking him to change his ways”
😂
I first heard about this video in Juggs, and you were nervous about this for no reason. This is great, and also more please.
Haha I'm always nervous 😭
Didn't the silent king travel between galaxies? I could be totally wrong but I thought he traveled to the void and even through it.
Also the Tyranids originate from outside the galaxy in the lore right?
Thanks Louise. That was awesome! I’m wanting to run a Wrath and Glory 40K campaign and these creepy and open ended bits of lore have got my imagination going wild!
The Halo-devices have an upside though, wich makes them highly desirable, even though the outcome mentioned in this video is known.
The thing could make you super human without the mutation and hunger for flesh.
It's a very bad odds gamble and the result lays far in the future, nobody can tell if it worked desirably or monstrously, and any documentation and observer will be lost to time.
yoo I really have to say that I love that little jingle coming in at 1:30, feels so cozy idk.
Regarding the Lost Primarchs, if we look at all the available evidence, we know what happened to them. They are referred to in a very, very specific way - the Lost and the Forgotten, with capitalised letters on each term. We know Russ killed one of them, the part we don't know was why, some theories say he rebelled, others say he was being controlled by a Xenos power such as the Enslavers. We know for a fact both were purged during the Rangdan Xenocides so only the Legions who were there such as the Luna Wolves and Dark Angels know what truly happened to them, Horus even still knew their names and was angry about them being purged from history (this was pre-Horus Rising so we're talking loyalist Horus, with his sense of honour and brotherhood still intact) so we know Russ and his Legion had to put down one of them (likely the Lost, the 2nd Legion), and the other, the Forgotten, the 11th Legion simply fell to rampant, unstoppable, incurable gene-seed mutations and the survivors of one or the other, if not both, were absorbed into the Ultramarines (makes sense for it to be the remnants of the 11th, since the Ultramarines have the most stable geneseed) so we know the 2nd were put down, likely in their entirety, and the 11th were broken from within by their own genetics. That is the heavily implied fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions.
What's even more interesting is that in the Dark Cells there is a cell titled "Subject XI" which is 11 in Roman numerals, which all the Astartes Legions used, meaning that the 11th Primarch could even still be alive, just contained as some mutated monster (maybe he can partially control it, who knows), underneath Terra and only the Custodes know about it (the Emperor's mind is considered too broken from his interaction with Guilliman after he returned and went to Terra to commune with his father so I'm not counting him in his current state)
How do we know about the rampant flesh mutation?
@@EtherealDoomed Its just a theory given the nickname and that the Ultramarines took in what was left of them, could have just been that their Primarch and like half or more of their Legion were KIA
A truly terrifying concept is that, out of all the races of the 40K universe, the oldest race, BY FAR, are the Tyranids.
We know they are extra-galactic invaders. The closest non-sattelite galaxy to the Milky Way is Andromeda (M31). That's 2.538 million light years away. Lore says Narvhal ships can utilize stellar gravity wells to reach superluminal speeds, but you can't do that between galaxies- no gravity wells or stellar bodies to work with, and gravity weakens at a rate equal to the square of the distance between relative bodies, so that's a no-go. They had to cross that void the same way thwy do final approach to invasions.
Lore also says that sometimes, that time can take up to a Terran decade. Well, it took Voyager just about 10 years to get from Earth to Pluto, so that's a good reference speed. It moved at 4.1 AU/year, which is some 43 thousand miles per hour (43477.8634 if you want to do the math). Expressed as a value of c, it's 0.000065 the speed of light.
Let's plus in the numbers: 2.538 million divided by 0.000065 would be some 39 billion years at those canonical speeds. The War in Heaven was only, ONLY, 60 MILLION years ago.
And that's to get HERE. The Silent King said they were EVERYWHERE he looked. Tyranids are coming from MULTIPLE directions. Si they spent time goijg to OTHER galaxies first. Unless it sent them all simultaneously, or they have some sort of additional super-secret means of intergalactic travel we haven't seen, they are probably the oldest living species IN THE UNIVERSE.
If I recall, Sanguinius mentioned one of the lost primarchs having a similar mutation to himself and he believes that to be the reason the primarch was purged. Him hoping E-Money doesn't notice his own mutation is...pretty stupid. A popular theory for the other one is, they were pro-xeno and were part of some tau-like empire already.
Another being, they're Sigmar and Archaon.
I always loved the 'Twin comet' theory, problem is Archaon wasn't born till centuries after Sigmar's arrival and was just a normal man until he fell to Chaos.
If you actually look at all the available evidence, we know what happened to them. They are referred to in a very, very specific way - the Lost and the Forgotten, with capitalised letters on each term. We know Russ killed one of them, the part we don't know was why, some theories say he rebelled, others say he was being controlled by a Xenos power such as the Enslavers. We know for a fact both were purged during the Rangdan Xenocides so only the Legions who were there such as the Luna Wolves and Dark Angels know what truly happened to them, Horus even still knew their names and was angry about them being purged from history (this was pre-Horus Rising so we're talking loyalist Horus, with his sense of honour and brotherhood still intact) so we know Russ and his Legion had to put down one of them (likely the Lost, the 2nd Legion), and the other, the Forgotten, the 11th Legion simply fell to rampant, unstoppable, incurable gene-seed mutations and the survivors of one or the other, if not both, were absorbed into the Ultramarines (makes sense for it to be the remnants of the 11th, since the Ultramarines have the most stable geneseed) so we know the 2nd were put down, likely in their entirety, and the 11th were broken from within by their own genetics. That is the heavily implied fate of the Lost Primarchs and their Legions.
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 "If you actually" feels unnecessary and rude, mate. Nothing you said contradicts what I said, so why the hostility?
@@Bacxaber Wasn't saying it in a hostile way at all mate, you perceived that entirely on your own, I said it in more of an interesting way like "this is what we can deduce by looking at all the available evidence" kinda way, I genuinely don't get where you're getting any hostility from
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 The way it was phrased clearly implies that you think I'm talking out of my ass and asserting theories as canon, which I did not do. Neutral intentions or not, I don't see how you _couldn't_ see that.
I have been aware of your channel, but due to time constraints I've mostly stuck to the lore channels I've known.
This video really, really put your channel up there on the top of my list, next to Leutin and Arbitor Ian.
This was one of the best 40k lore vids ever, loved the format. Good job!
Let's not forget Thousand Sons dreadnoughts, because they're all wizards or robots, who knows where they get the recruits to wire up inside the sarcophagi...
This is one of your absolute best videos! You talked about so much I hadn't heard about. Excellent
Awesome, have a great weekend Louise, take care 😊
Thank you! You too! ☺️
In my humble opinion, your best video yet, mate. Would welcome more lore-focused vids. Perhaps one examining seeming contradictions across the editions - and possible explanations for them.
I knew most of this.... but not the Necromunda one! Loved this list!
Okay, just got to the invisible Tyranid part, has anyone asked why the kill-team didn't just, oh I don't know, spray some paint into the cage to see what would happen? There's documented lore of Tyranids like Lictors developing means to block or absorb nearly any and all kinds of means of detection, but if a captured one were to be sprayed with paint and the paint appears on something invisible, or disappears after hitting something in the cage, then they can conclude that they have something in there.
At least they noticed that the cage was heavier than when it was opened, suggesting that something was inside it, right?
Regarding the Blackstone Fortresses, isn't the most popular theory that they were created by the Old Ones to use against the C'tan during the War in Heaven? The Eldar refer to them as the "Talismans of Vaul", Vaul being the Eldar god of the forge, and the commonly-accepted consensus is that the Eldar gods were psychically-manifested psychic superweapons created by the ancient Eldar to use in the War in Heaven. Furthermore, there is lore of the Void Dragon being hit by the combined power of 6 of them, and we know that the power of Blackstones scales exponentially, with 2 being able to blow up planets and 3 able to cause supernovas. The fact that the Blackstones are equipped with giant WARP cannons, and the Warp being the best thing to use to damage C'tan, it all lines up pretty well.
Edit: the video covered it, cool.
Regarding the stuff outside of the galaxy, there is the old White Dwarf story about some Admech sending a probe in the direction of another galaxy and only getting back Ork noises, the theory that since the Tyranids are coming from different directions, they have already consumed every other galaxy worth mentioning, the newer Necron codex mentioning how the Silent King apparently travelled to and conquered parts of other galaxies before fining the Tyranids and rushing back home to wake up the other Necrons, and the quote from I believe it was a Void Dragon shard stating that in the ancient past, he ruled over empires stretching over at least "a thousand galaxies" correct me if I'm wrong and if anyone has the specific source for that. Though given that the C'tan have existed since more or less the Universe itself, it's not that unbelievable to think that some species before the Necrons encountered them and gave them the ability to interact with the physical universe more directly, considering that they fought and lost a war against the Old Ones BEFORE encountering the Necrons.
This has been my favourite video so far. The creepy lore is awesome. Thanks for sharing!
I love this so much. Please, for the love of the Emperor, make more lore content.
I really wanna make more lore stuff, thank you!!
You ever wonder why we have more modern astronomical knowledge of other galaxies now than they do in 40k? Or at least it seems that way.
Because 40k is so backward they forgot it all
This is way waaaay better than reading the lore book, thanks for doing this heaps.
Creepy and Opening ones mind to the dark horrors of 40K love this lore vid!
This was great! I love the collaboration with other RUclips creators in this! I hope you do this again in October for Halloween 🎃
The Juggz preview got me so excited to watch this!
Normally not a huge fan of "lore videos" but I really really liked this one.
Great video. I'm not big into the lore so a lot of this was new to me
Glad you enjoyed 😊👍
There's a possible creepy mystery in the Drukhari "religion". The Drukhari do still worship the old Aeldari gods, but as a society they had started moving away from proper following of that faith - instead following what they called the Dark Muses... who were sort of like the Dark Eldar version of saints. Each is a Dark Eldar who pioneered a practice and philosophy that embodied a particular vice, and you could only be classified as one after you die and the Aeldari decided to adopt you as a semi-divine patron (which is why Vect faked his death to declare himself a Living Muse).
The mystery is in the muses themselves - the known muses are Shaimesh (Lord of Poisons), Lhilitu (Consort of the Void), Vileth (no epithet but popular with Archons), Hekatii (the Red Crone), Qa'leh (Mistress of Blades) and Ynesth (again no epithet, but there's a Kabal that's seeking her ashes).
Shaimesh, Lord of Poisons, in particular is "the treacherous brother of the Cosmic Serpent", and an inspiration to both the Hameonculi and the Lhamaeans.
...Except that's weird, how does a Dark Eldar become brother to the Cosmic Serpent?
Meanwhile, in Exodite lore, the Exodites don't follow the old Aeldari gods either - they worship the Cosmic Serpent, the Cosmic Serpent's dangerous destroyer-god brother Cobra, and Scorpion (no relation to the Striking variety), and we can also assume from that pattern that they possibly also worship Falcon and the Great Hawk and any other mythic beasts of Aeldari myth, all of whom have vehicles named after them by the Asuryani.
Wait a moment... Cobra the brother of the Cosmic Serpent? Let's dig down on that shall we? Cobra is described as a short-tempered, fickle ally, to whom the serpent turned to for aid only during the darkest days of the War in Heaven, and the kind of destroyer who doesn't care if they hurt allies in the process.
Seems kinda treacherous, huh? And maybe a little poisonous? Like Cobras tend to be? So then... maybe Cobra poisoned Shaimesh's mind against the Asuryani gods? Or was Shaimesh even really an Aeldari at all? Maybe Cobra possessed a mortal vessel and kicked off the Dark Muse thing entirely, eventually leading to the birth of Slaanesh?
We don't get to know.
This comment section is a pure gold!
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 😁😁😁