As a teenager growing up in the 70's and 80's, I couldn't wait to pour through the new IH brochures when they used to come in the mail and dream about how cool it must be to drive one of these new tractors...music by Lynyrd Skynyrd makes this video perfect
Having lunch brought out to the field, damn that brings back memories! Great video! Growing up in the 70’s & 80’s on a dairy taught me the meaning of hard work and the meaning of a handshake …!
it's just mind blowing how much farming has changed even in the last 10 years. I'm 18 now and 10 years ago dad would be tickled pink to get 150 bushel corn. Now its hard to make a full round in the field. Keep in mind that we still farm with the good old 806s.
those Melrose engines would just run and run. It took a long time to wear them out. Usually they got rebuilt as a "while we're here" type of thing than the reason we're here!
Great pics. Loved all of our IH equipment growing up. We had a couple JDs (4040, 2130), and they were good, but our IH equipment was the best. We had a 560 Standard, 606 w/ 2000 loader, 766 diesel, and 1460 combine. We planted with a 100 press drill. For tillage we had the 470 disk and the 55 chisel plow. Before the 1460 combine we had a Versatile 400 swather and Versatile 420 combine w/ just a pickup head. Grain truck was a 1960 Dodge 500. Fuel/tool truck was a 1967 Ford F100. For haying we had an IH 1100 sickle mower, NH 57 bar rake, and a NH 269 Hayliner baler. We had a Massey-Harris 44 Special tractor with a Grain-O-Vator feed wagon hitched to it that held about 60 bushel heaping full, used every day to drive through the turkey barn and fill up the feeders. We also had a New Idea No. 200 manure spreader, used to spread the turkey manure on the fields.
I worked for International Harvester when they came out with the 50 series, yes it brings back a lot of memories, There is a farmer that I know still has a 5288 that we sold to his farther in law in 1984
I agree with You! I was a kid playing with an Ertl IH in Lower Bavaria where I'm from...a Farmer near us got a 1455 IH Comfort2000 Cab-That wos a point that "changed" my life-today a got a tatoo of a Steiger Jaguar 2wd Prototype with the American flag on my right arm...!!🇺🇸🖤🚜👍💪🎱✌️
This was an outstanding video. I grew up running an IH3588 during the eighties and it really took me back to my youth. The production of the video was really well done.
I generally never like youtube videos which are just all slides with no moving pictures... but this one is an exception. Probably because it is a great and fitting song playing, and because of all those great pictures! I love that you found and used all original photos from when the equipment was new, not photos taken in recent years of old equipment, as are used in so many publications recently. The original new equipment photos are Always better. And you did it all ten years ago already! Thanks for a great video, my favorite 'slides' video I've ever found on youtube.
My Grandpa was the chief mechanic at the dealership in Chaseburg, WI. My family lives in town now, but my dad and I still own a bunch of IH tractors. This video nearly made me cry.
We ran ihs in the 70s so did most of the neighbors we had a good in dealership it was always fun to get in the fields in the spring to see who got something new wish we could go back the world pretty much sucks right now
As a kid of the 70s and running around a international dealership im proud to have found my late father's special order 454 hydro with rear mounted forklift and variable hydraulic front weight box my father designed. , 40yrs later I found it and now serves my family farm. All up I have 4 international tractor s Aw6 loader, A554 , A554 front forklift and the 454hydro love them but let's not forget the trucks and others equipment they made and no computers and still serviceable
I worked at a cih dealer in the late 80s. The 7100 series was basically the next gen ih. And the 1600 series combine was the leader of the time. All ih. Jd just hanging on shirt tails.
I'm a really big US tractor Fan, since I'm a kid....It's sad that one of the biggest tractor Companies "had to die" in late 1985 but the Spirit still lives-That's for sure...I got a book from Ken Updike-I can recognize a view pictures out of the book. I Love series 3088 and 5088-Western Interior! INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER THAT'S PROUD AMERICAN STYLE TO ME...!🇺🇸🚜🖤💪👍MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGIN-BRING BACK OLD GLORY!!
Thanks for putting together another great IH video. I have many of the brochures with these pics in them, nice to sit down & look through them from time to time. The song is Tuesdays Gone, by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
in my option.....best tractor ever built......justy option tho.....I know there's a lot of J.D fans out there... n don't get me wrong...I like J.D's too.....just love IH!!!
they did make them but there uncommon. When the 66 series were introduced in the fall of 1971 they maade a 666,966 and 1066 Hydro but by 1973 IH had alot of complaints about the hydros being underpowered compared to the geardrive models, so they restriped the 666 the Hydro 70 and the 966 and 1066 became the Hydro 100 and also fitted it with a larger engine (436 non turbo)
Hydros didn't hold up well for heavy tillage like plowing, where there's a lot of fluid slip in the hydrostatic drive trying to push all that power from the engine through a hydraulic pump and motor arrangement to do heavy pulling jobs like tillage. It's like running an oversize hydraulic motor in a high-power demand job-- the oil gets scorching hot and the hotter the oil gets the sooner something fails. That's true even with automatic transmissions in vehicles. They were fine for jobs like baling or cutting or raking or cultivating row crops or other jobs that didn't require a lot of draft power (pulling) where the hydrostatic transmission was lightly loaded, and most of the power demand was on the PTO. The infinite speed adjustment was a real boon for those jobs, but guys bought tractors back then to do *everything* and a tractor that couldn't cut it pulling a plow or disk all day wasn't gonna keep 'em happy. That's why hydrostats are great on things like sprayers or cotton pickers or combines where all they have to do is move the machine across the field while other parts do the work (like the thresher or cotton picker units) they're great for that work. It would take another 30 years and the invention of the CVT transmission that sends most of the power through a gear train but uses a small proportion of the power to spin basically a hydrostatic pump and motor arrangement that then spins a planetary ring gear in proportion to get the desired infinitely variable speed, while the heavy loads on the shafts and gears between the engine and axles is transmitted through the main shaft and gears of the transmission, to really make it work. Later! OL J R :)
you know, what ever happened to the good world were people werent so afraid to get there hands dirty and last an hour mowing 1 feild of hay, our knewest tractor is the ih 886
kinda funny, i left school early one day to go pick up my new farmall BN that i bought ( it was in OH and i live in PA so it was a long trip there so thats why i left school) but i had a little bit before we need to go get it and i was watching youtube and i came across this video and the song "Tuesday's Gone"...it became one of my favorite songs and the funny thing is, i got my BN on a Tuesday =)
I used a 1066 back in the late 70's damn good tractor, kinda like a jd4020 was a good tractor too. Anyone remember David Brown? The 995 is in the same catagory.
As an independant ag mechanic in the 80's and 90's, the 56, 66, and 86 series offered more job security than JD, but not as much as Case. The T/A, brakes, and transmissions seemed to be the main problemsfor IHC. Case had to many issues to single out the worst offenders. JD had problems with the 30 series, but the 20 and 40 series were solid.
Old International Harvester tractors.Was pretty good tractors in the day.. lots of them old guys.. only buy International Harvesters equipment only they was very loyal to the brand
Train roll on, on down the line, Won't you please take me far away? Now I feel the wind blow outside my door, Means I'm, I'm leaving my woman at home. Tuesday's gone with the wind. My baby's gone with the wind again. And I don't know where I'm going. I just want to be left alone. Well, when this train ends I'll try again, But I'm leaving my woman at home. Tuesday's gone with the wind. Tuesday's gone with the wind. Tuesday's gone with the wind. My baby's gone with the wind. Train roll on Tuesday's gone Train roll on many miles from my home, See, I'm riding my blues away. Tuesday, you see, she had to be free But somehow I've got to carry on. Tuesday's gone with the wind. Tuesday's gone with the wind. Tuesday's gone with the wind. My baby's gone with the wind.
+Quixotic Templar I wonder how long my words will last on this post....I think about the FUTURE so much especially now that I have a 4 year old daughter. I want to tell her now if I'm not able to later. That I love you and I'm sorry for the crazieness of my generation. I did everything I could to make your life a pleasant one. Farming is life. And I plant seeds.
IH was by far the best and biggest AG equipment maker in the world it to bad greed ruined it. The last McCormick retired from the board in 78 and the family sold their controlling stock. The new CEO and major stock holders Harvested the company for money. I saw a interview with Brooks McCormick, he said he wished he had done things diff when he retired but thought he left IH in good hands, 1st thing they did was sell the truck Div and all other Sep Corps Leaving the AG Div to flounder on its own
Whatever happened to Cockshutt and Oliver? I remember my cousins and my dad and uncle laughing our guts out over an ad in the paper that said: "Keep your Cockshutt and we give you 500 dollars credit with no trade".
@VintageVMaxGuy They would have been the Number 1 like they have been before !!! The merging with Case made crap, and today with new holland and fiat, its even more true... With this, since it's not IH engines in them, it justifies it even more, their big displacement, smooth running and sound, torque at low speed. When you crush the accelerator on the floor, there was a cloud of smoke, but the tachy went up. This doesn't exists on todays tractors, no smoke, the tachy stays down...
I wish you could still buy decent tractors like this now, instead of these ugly looking European inspired ####heaps with the big droopy noses and full of computers and $$it . Back in those days a yankee tractor really looked the biz,now they are horrible.
Us in Europe always had you lot licked style wise,but you build great engines that sound well...You inflicted the chrysler 300c on us a few years ago-proper comedy quality car but the few v8's that made it here sounded amazing
+twe enyss My point is I personally like the older style yankee tractors,how can you compare a say a 1086 or 5088 international to these hideous looking maxum or magnum tractors currently available, it's like the designers have there head up there arse.
I love internationals I grew up on them and this video honestly made me cry because of the love I have for farming with internationals
I just bought an 886. I fell in love with the one my dad sold when I was 13. I'm 48 now and happy with my new baby!
These are the roots that made us who we are today
I can't help crying watching a video about a great firm.
As a teenager growing up in the 70's and 80's, I couldn't wait to pour through the new IH brochures when they used to come in the mail and dream about how cool it must be to drive one of these new tractors...music by Lynyrd Skynyrd makes this video perfect
It was beyond cool to operate those machines
Having lunch brought out to the field, damn that brings back memories! Great video! Growing up in the 70’s & 80’s on a dairy taught me the meaning of hard work and the meaning of a handshake …!
it's just mind blowing how much farming has changed even in the last 10 years. I'm 18 now and 10 years ago dad would be tickled pink to get 150 bushel corn. Now its hard to make a full round in the field. Keep in mind that we still farm with the good old 806s.
those Melrose engines would just run and run. It took a long time to wear them out. Usually they got rebuilt as a "while we're here" type of thing than the reason we're here!
Great pics. Loved all of our IH equipment growing up. We had a couple JDs (4040, 2130), and they were good, but our IH equipment was the best. We had a 560 Standard, 606 w/ 2000 loader, 766 diesel, and 1460 combine. We planted with a 100 press drill. For tillage we had the 470 disk and the 55 chisel plow. Before the 1460 combine we had a Versatile 400 swather and Versatile 420 combine w/ just a pickup head. Grain truck was a 1960 Dodge 500. Fuel/tool truck was a 1967 Ford F100. For haying we had an IH 1100 sickle mower, NH 57 bar rake, and a NH 269 Hayliner baler. We had a Massey-Harris 44 Special tractor with a Grain-O-Vator feed wagon hitched to it that held about 60 bushel heaping full, used every day to drive through the turkey barn and fill up the feeders. We also had a New Idea No. 200 manure spreader, used to spread the turkey manure on the fields.
Love this video! Brings back a lot of good memories when i was growing up as a kid being around 88 series tractors. Love the 5088!
I worked for International Harvester when they came out with the 50 series, yes it brings back a lot of memories, There is a farmer that I know still has a 5288 that we sold to his farther in law in 1984
Awesome pictures along with a great song. I grew up on the farm in that era.
Thanks for putting it together and sharing!
I want everyone of these pics to hang up in my IH collection......love it......IH ....if it ain't RED....leave it in the shed!!!! IH POWER!!!
I still have a 1066 open station. And green ones to but we all still like our old black stripe gal. Have had numerous one. They are keepers
These tractors were one of the best built . Good job with this .
Yea maybe but aren't they the wrong color. Big muscle allis all the way
Bullshit those internationals would eat a damn allis for breakfast any damn size
Great video!!!! One of the greatest companies ever.
I agree with You! I was a kid playing with an Ertl IH in Lower Bavaria where I'm from...a Farmer near us got a 1455 IH Comfort2000 Cab-That wos a point that "changed" my life-today a got a tatoo of a Steiger Jaguar 2wd Prototype with the American flag on my right arm...!!🇺🇸🖤🚜👍💪🎱✌️
Thanks so much for this - it brings back so many great memories. The 1086 is my favorite IH tractor. 70's Red Power!
Learn to farm in my gpas 1086 was the biggest tractor he had for a long time and still uses it everyday on the farm
To think that any of these tractors could work the whole day without having a ECM meltdown.
Good old days indeed.
This was an outstanding video. I grew up running an IH3588 during the eighties and it really took me back to my youth. The production of the video was really well done.
I generally never like youtube videos which are just all slides with no moving pictures... but this one is an exception. Probably because it is a great and fitting song playing, and because of all those great pictures! I love that you found and used all original photos from when the equipment was new, not photos taken in recent years of old equipment, as are used in so many publications recently. The original new equipment photos are Always better. And you did it all ten years ago already! Thanks for a great video, my favorite 'slides' video I've ever found on youtube.
Dam fine tractors by IH probably the best at the time nothing else could ever come close to those 2+2s and 50 series
My Grandpa was the chief mechanic at the dealership in Chaseburg, WI. My family lives in town now, but my dad and I still own a bunch of IH tractors. This video nearly made me cry.
Best Tractors ever made!👍
@bototgus Thanks for the comment, The TA's wern't realy junk, they were not made as strong as they should have been, but a lot of people abused them
These are the best looking tractors ever made!
Love the song! Love the 70's and 80's and love Farmall!!
Yes the music is great👍
Why farm some of it? When you could farm all of it?
A neighbor had Super C, H, and Ms
We ran ihs in the 70s so did most of the neighbors we had a good in dealership it was always fun to get in the fields in the spring to see who got something new wish we could go back the world pretty much sucks right now
I.H made some damn good equipment too
Growed up driving farmall m it's amazing what Cyrus McCormick started and became. They were the best in the land!!
Awesome, I m nostalgic of that old good tractor, I used 786 and 3288 !
Thanks for the comment, glad you liked it!
Some of the best IH tractors built!!
Some of the best tractors ever built,IF AIN'T RED IT AIN'T IN THE SHED!!
*IF IT AIN’T RED PUT IT IN THE SHED
If it ain't red LEAVE it in the shed
great work 1066POWER. I wish todays tractors were this sharp
almost brings a tear to your eye...
As a kid of the 70s and running around a international dealership im proud to have found my late father's special order 454 hydro with rear mounted forklift and variable hydraulic front weight box my father designed. , 40yrs later I found it and now serves my family farm. All up I have 4 international tractor s Aw6 loader, A554 , A554 front forklift and the 454hydro love them but let's not forget the trucks and others equipment they made and no computers and still serviceable
I worked at a cih dealer in the late 80s. The 7100 series was basically the next gen ih. And the 1600 series combine was the leader of the time. All ih. Jd just hanging on shirt tails.
Their still sought after today and hold their value quit well
Have a 574 diesel
0:54
That truck next to that tractor. Whew gorgeous.
My uncle ran a 10 and a 1466 and neighbors had 806s and 856s.
I'm a really big US tractor Fan, since I'm a kid....It's sad that one of the biggest tractor Companies "had to die" in late 1985 but the Spirit still lives-That's for sure...I got a book from Ken Updike-I can recognize a view pictures out of the book. I Love series 3088 and 5088-Western Interior! INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER THAT'S PROUD AMERICAN STYLE TO ME...!🇺🇸🚜🖤💪👍MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGIN-BRING BACK OLD GLORY!!
Interesting to watch. Not many IH in our area in those days. Mostly John Deere. Or White. Thank you for the video.
Thanks for putting together another great IH video. I have many of the brochures with these pics in them, nice to sit down & look through them from time to time. The song is Tuesdays Gone, by Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Still missing the IHC company , the best ever for service and backup. A brilliant firm.
Dad sold red for 40 yrs, from 57' till 97'! Broke his heart when Tenneco became the big dog! Hell, I was 21 before he let me start a John Deere..
Thanks for the comment, I think they'd be NO 1, they had some good tractors coming out in the early eighties.
Great video!!! Awesome song!!! keep up the good work.
They were the pulling s.o.b every made
Worked at a ih dealer in the late 80s the magnum tractor was all ih. Watched jd bag on rotary combines and air planters. Look where jd is now.
I want every one of these pics
The three tractors I learned to drive as a kid were the International 656, 1066 And 3788 2+2.
And the 1460 International combine. Great memories!! Thank you for this video!!
My Grandad was an IH Man. Just about everything on the Farm was Red. Grandmother even had IH refrigerator!
I got them mostly from various searches on google, Ive got enough pics to make a "Part two" of this slideshow!
i think this is the best ih vid i ever seen, good work and hope u get alot of views
They were badass looking tractors
Nice pictures of the equipment
I spent my childhood on the fender of a 826 international.
Great work putting this together = well done and thank you !
when you look at those 2+2's and think, man that must be an awsome, fun to drive tractor, let me tell you oooooh yeah it is
SilverStone Specially when your first time is down the road in road gear
Grasias internasional x este video llo maneje toda esta maquinaria k recuerdos
i would take any of them over a brand new one any day
You could fully restore and do some upgrades for about 1/2 price of a new version today!
in my option.....best tractor ever built......justy option tho.....I know there's a lot of J.D fans out there... n don't get me wrong...I like J.D's too.....just love IH!!!
Option you mean opinion?
@OzzInter Thanks for the comment, and yeah the 68 v8 tractors are one of the coolest tractors IH offered!
Just excellent
they did make them but there uncommon. When the 66 series were introduced in the fall of 1971 they maade a 666,966 and 1066 Hydro but by 1973 IH had alot of complaints about the hydros being underpowered compared to the geardrive models, so they restriped the 666 the Hydro 70 and the 966 and 1066 became the Hydro 100 and also fitted it with a larger engine (436 non turbo)
Hydros didn't hold up well for heavy tillage like plowing, where there's a lot of fluid slip in the hydrostatic drive trying to push all that power from the engine through a hydraulic pump and motor arrangement to do heavy pulling jobs like tillage. It's like running an oversize hydraulic motor in a high-power demand job-- the oil gets scorching hot and the hotter the oil gets the sooner something fails. That's true even with automatic transmissions in vehicles.
They were fine for jobs like baling or cutting or raking or cultivating row crops or other jobs that didn't require a lot of draft power (pulling) where the hydrostatic transmission was lightly loaded, and most of the power demand was on the PTO. The infinite speed adjustment was a real boon for those jobs, but guys bought tractors back then to do *everything* and a tractor that couldn't cut it pulling a plow or disk all day wasn't gonna keep 'em happy. That's why hydrostats are great on things like sprayers or cotton pickers or combines where all they have to do is move the machine across the field while other parts do the work (like the thresher or cotton picker units) they're great for that work.
It would take another 30 years and the invention of the CVT transmission that sends most of the power through a gear train but uses a small proportion of the power to spin basically a hydrostatic pump and motor arrangement that then spins a planetary ring gear in proportion to get the desired infinitely variable speed, while the heavy loads on the shafts and gears between the engine and axles is transmitted through the main shaft and gears of the transmission, to really make it work.
Later! OL J R :)
We still farm with 70s IH. Equipment.
Just bought a new to me 1066 factory narrow front!
you know, what ever happened to the good world were people werent so afraid to get there hands dirty and last an hour mowing 1 feild of hay, our knewest tractor is the ih 886
wonderful video hats off to us farmers
kinda funny,
i left school early one day to go pick up my new farmall BN that i bought ( it was in OH and i live in PA so it was a long trip there so thats why i left school) but i had a little bit before we need to go get it and i was watching youtube and i came across this video and the song "Tuesday's Gone"...it became one of my favorite songs and the funny thing is, i got my BN on a Tuesday =)
I loved this video made me tear up im trying to get all ih farm equipment from the 70s and 80s on fs19
I'm 19 my buddies want brandnew equipment..I own a international 3588 and a 1466 I would anyday get on them than our new caseih equipment
good video
I used a 1066 back in the late 70's damn good tractor, kinda like a jd4020 was a good tractor too. Anyone remember David Brown? The 995 is in the same catagory.
Grate video
EXCELLENT!
the "anteaters" A 4 wheel drive row crop tractor way ahead of it's time
Oh yes.. It would still be a good design today!
Great video, makes me wish today a company's name was the company, not some damn conglomerate multinational bullshit
Its "Tuesdays gone" by Lynard Skynard from 1973
This just depresses me :(
Thank you much for the comment!
my grandpa says it brings bak bad memories in 80's
As an independant ag mechanic in the 80's and 90's, the 56, 66, and 86 series offered more job security than JD, but not as much as Case. The T/A, brakes, and transmissions seemed to be the main problemsfor IHC. Case had to many issues to single out the worst offenders. JD had problems with the 30 series, but the 20 and 40 series were solid.
Old International Harvester tractors.Was pretty good tractors in the day.. lots of them old guys.. only buy International Harvesters equipment only they was very loyal to the brand
Long live International Harvester!
Train roll on, on down the line,
Won't you please take me far away?
Now I feel the wind blow outside my door,
Means I'm, I'm leaving my woman at home.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My baby's gone with the wind again.
And I don't know where I'm going.
I just want to be left alone.
Well, when this train ends I'll try again,
But I'm leaving my woman at home.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My baby's gone with the wind.
Train roll on
Tuesday's gone
Train roll on many miles from my home,
See, I'm riding my blues away.
Tuesday, you see, she had to be free
But somehow I've got to carry on.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
Tuesday's gone with the wind.
My baby's gone with the wind.
+Quixotic Templar I wonder how long my words will last on this post....I think about the FUTURE so much especially now that I have a 4 year old daughter. I want to tell her now if I'm not able to later. That I love you and I'm sorry for the crazieness of my generation. I did everything I could to make your life a pleasant one. Farming is life. And I plant seeds.
Im not sure why IH sent them out with the rain cap sideways but they did with the 56 and 66 series
Thanks for the comment
IH was by far the best and biggest AG equipment maker in the world it to bad greed ruined it. The last McCormick retired from the board in 78 and the family sold their controlling stock. The new CEO and major stock holders Harvested the company for money. I saw a interview with Brooks McCormick, he said he wished he had done things diff when he retired but thought he left IH in good hands, 1st thing they did was sell the truck Div and all other Sep Corps Leaving the AG Div to flounder on its own
You should really put Farmall
706s in the next video
good videos
Whatever happened to Cockshutt and Oliver?
I remember my cousins and my dad and uncle laughing our guts out over an ad in the paper that said:
"Keep your Cockshutt and we give you 500 dollars credit with no trade".
Les Brown White trucks bought em out and screwed em up.
I love this vid its the best ever same can be said for the tractors
@lildjohnson95 Thanks for the comment , Part II is in the making!
Where is this link for part II
I completley agree, but Im just glad John Deere didnt buy IH!
@VintageVMaxGuy They would have been the Number 1 like they have been before !!!
The merging with Case made crap, and today with new holland and fiat, its even more true...
With this, since it's not IH engines in them, it justifies it even more, their big displacement, smooth running and sound, torque at low speed. When you crush the accelerator on the floor, there was a cloud of smoke, but the tachy went up.
This doesn't exists on todays tractors, no smoke, the tachy stays down...
Came for the tractors,left cause of damn music.!!!!!
5 minutes after these pictures at least 1 torque amplifier went out..
I noticed that in the 70's they all had straight pipes with muffler caps and in the 80's all the mufflers were curved
You mean the rain caps {{ clank clank }}. I am sure they went with curved outlet to reduce production cost.
Thanks for all the comments
more coming soon!
Whats the tractor at 2:16 sorry I forgot what it was
Kegan Nielsen 4388 or 4366
oudstanding
I wish you could still buy decent tractors like this now, instead of these ugly looking European inspired ####heaps with the big droopy noses and full of computers and $$it . Back in those days a yankee tractor really looked the biz,now they are horrible.
Us in Europe always had you lot licked style wise,but you build great engines that sound well...You inflicted the chrysler 300c on us a few years ago-proper comedy quality car but the few v8's that made it here sounded amazing
+twe enyss My point is I personally like the older style yankee tractors,how can you compare a say a 1086 or 5088 international to these hideous looking maxum or magnum tractors currently available, it's like the designers have there head up there arse.