Great video, especially as it's not clickbait. Thoroughly and well done. A Return of the King coverage would be welcomed. Hoping for those true Ultimate Editions along the line.
Except it is clickbait. It isn't showing all those hundreds of hours of cut footage.. Simply narrating what is missing and showing a few clips here and there. Love the video, but it most certainly is still clickbait.
@@Stuck313 Kind of agree, but even before I clicked on the video I saw the 16 minute runtime and thought "Okay this clearly isn't showing 'ALL' the footage"
@@Stuck313 You can see the video length before you click it. You must have been the only person who expected hours of footage who clicked this link. Unreleased scenes are exactly that - unreleased. It's an absolute service to attempt to cobble together what these scenes may have been from teasers, trailers, and interviews from those in the know. Nothing came across as deceptive or sensationalized to me, which is the threshold for clickbait.
@@Stuck313 Nah, he says all unreleased scenes and then describes them all. Fairly sure noone but peter jackson would have the hundreds of hours of footage, and if you thought you were getting that you might be dumb
It would be a great homage to Bernard Hill if they included Theoden’s excellent speech at Helm’s Deep that they cut out. Even if it was just added as a bonus on the extended dvd’s.
You know Your a great Actor if they need You to delivere a speech that inspires hope and in the final edit they need to cut it because You inspired too much hope for the rest of the plot to work.
Grima poisoning Theodred seems like a very good explanation for how quickly he deteriorated and why Grima looked so surprised when he came into the room and found Eowyn sobbing over him.
PJ confirmed they did film a scene of Grima pouring poison into his ear, which was a reference to Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. Originally during ROTK, Saruman was going to expose this to Theoden during the Voice of Saruman scene which was initially why Grima pulled the knife out.
I'm pretty sure this was in the script at some point. I am basing this on memory, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that Wormtounge poisoned Theodred is mentioned in some old game based on the movies (I think it's from the ROTK on Gameboy Advanced). Based on what I've heard, those games had access to early versions of the movie scripts to be able to finalize development and release close to the movie releases. Guessing there could a similar situation with the toy, that the poison vial is there due to that when manufacturing started, the intention was to have the poisoning be a plot point in the movie.
Wait? Why would that explain why Grima is surprised? If I'd poisoned someone and found them dead later, I'd consider it as expected. Your comment has confused me.
Bernard Hill was perfect for Theoden. He had that king’s aura that his speech could truly move the audiences. Hearing his speech in Pelennor Field was enough to make me want to join him in the war.
I was intrigued by the Arwen alternatives as well! I always felt there was such a contrast to how we meet her in the first movie. She is playful, dynamic, and powerful. ‘What’s this? A ranger caught off his guard?’ ‘If you want him, come and claim him!’ Compared to her scenes in the rest of the films where mostly she cries, argues with Elrond, and is generally far from the action. Fighting alongside Aragorn at Helms Deep seems closer to the Arwen we first meet. I certainly don’t mean that a character can’t have both these elements, and Arwens choice to marry Aragorn as a mortal is narratively interesting. Just that Arwen changes so drastically from our first impression of her.
I would love to see her scenes at Helm’s Deep. I wonder what would have happened after? It would have been cool if she stayed with Aragorn for the rest of the movie.
I would gladly see a whole movie just based on Aragorn and Arwen's story, with both their origins, their first encounter, their journey both separately and together, and their days as King and Queen of Gondor and the death of Aragorn and Arwen's end afterwards, and how their love story was all meant to happen since Eru decreted it was meant to be. I have a soft spot for these two characters. Viggo Mortensen and Liv Tyler were born to portray Aragorn and Arwen. You see them on screen and you just stand there, mesmerized ❤
Imagine if they whipped out a 25 minute scene from the Old Forest to Bree, and it was actually awesome and believable - with a jolly but somehow terrifying Tom Bombadil singing songs that you can't get out of your head and Barrow Wights and living trees that give adults nightmares.
I don't expect a newer extended edition but I certainly want an anniversary edition with those extra scenes as seperate deleted scenes to be released. Come on, Warner Bros! Just let Jackson release them already because it'll mean more money for you!
@@lamdao1242ya agree, narratively it was the right decision. would still totally love to see the alternative version tho! can never say no to extra lotr
Yeah, wouldn't make sense that Elrond would send her daughter to such an incredibly dangerous siege. Especially later on RoTK where he's super protective of her and wanted her to go to the Undying Lands
Great vid. One note: Celeborn is pronounced Keleborn, not Seleborn. All names that start with C in Tolkien’s works make a K sound, not an S sound. He was of a mind to update the books with Ks instead of Cs but K looks harsher than C and he wanted to preserve the letter K for “ugly” words like Uruk (though even Orc and Sindarin Yrch replaces it with a C)!
What people don't notice is that "Haleth, son of Hama" the boy who talks to Aragorn while working on his sword...is actually the son of THAT mentioned Hama who died in the warg attack. Having Aragorn seen his death makes the scene a little bit more impactful. Could have dropped a line there.
I'm pretty sure when Gandald says "there is a union now between the two towers" that scene made it as a cut scene in the PS2 LOTR video game "Return of the King"
Its insane, there was so much more material it could easily have been another full movie, making for a tetralogy. But its ok I guess we don't need to be greedy. We are lucky this happened in the first place, and this trilogy is already legendary enough even without all that material missing. Would have been so interesting and beautiful to see more of Arwen and Eowyn, the politics and the elves, but these movies do remain relevant even today, nothing even comes close when it comes to fantasy storytelling. What a terrific job from all that amazing cast and production team, Peter Jackson at the height of its career, a once in a century masterpiece. Damn!
Thank you for putting this together. Very interesting and informative. I've always wished Arwen's story arc had a lot more than was shown. I understand the editing process is difficult, plus the pressure of compacting in a coherent way. But these additional shots would have made her character a stronger part of the story.
They did Eowyn dirty, cut her fighting uruks in helms deep and cut her fighting orcs at the pelenor fields. At least the latter made it into the extended edition
glad they didn't use that. because ot doesnt make sense. hes turning so quickly yet frodo proves that he is the most resistant of the ring. gollum on the other hand took him years and years to evolve
@@Shatter149You've misunderstood the scene. Frodo hadn't randomly transformed for a second. It was a vision of what would eventually be, no matter his resistance. It's actually a real shame it's not in the movie.
Sooo much material, so much effort behind this movie, so little went on the screen. Cannot imagine how is for the actors as well, to see so much of their work not appearing every time. Thanks for the video!
They cut the close up of grima spitting on aragorns hand due to the wind blowing so hard he ended up spitting himself in the face. Which is also why it is cut together like it is in the movie, to give the illusion that he hits aragorns hand.
What do we want? FULLL EXTENDED!!! I am actually quite annoyed with Arwen's cuts from this (partially for the amount of work Liv Tyler must have done only to be cut entirely), because they started off with her as a bit of a badass; outrunning Nazgûl, drawing her sword, and then using magic to defeat them temporarily (I know this is different in the books)... however, afterwards, she's just a quiet "princess in the tower" type of character. I would have loved seeing her at Helms Deep (although, I also know the Elven army was not present either). I think part of me just wants Arwen and Éowyn to have met...
Het narrative doesn’t even make sense anymore considering Galadriel is her grandmother. And now we get to watch what a badass Galadriel is in rings of power and I think arwin would definitely follow her footsteps.
I love how informative this was! It wasn't a deleted scene moment, but a few years ago, the movie theater near me was playing the extended version of Return of the King. I was there with a friend and my dad at the time, and from the part when Frodo, Sam, and Gollum are trying to sneak towards the stairs, to when the Orcs are ambushing Faramir and everyone in Osgilith, the sound cut from the movie. This is one of my favorite moments ever, because to make up for it, when the Orcs were stomping out of Minas Morgul, the audience in the theater room, myself included, all began to stomp on the floor until the army was gone. The first sound we heard when the audio came back was when Gothmog and his army were coming from the water and Gothmog said "QUIET... " It really made everyone laugh. Best movie theater moment I've ever had.
Dunland was actually mentioned in the theatrical cut of the Fellowship. Legolas shouts “Grabeye from Dunland” after Gimli says it’s nothing, just a whiff of cloud… so Eowyn saying Dunlandans would’ve only slipped those who weren’t paying attention
I would like very much an extra bonus version of the fight between Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate in 4K with the special effects and the full Dagorlad battle with Gil-galad and his death (it was filmed). Nice video. Greetings.
I'm sure PJ removed that scene because he was aware of all the backlash he's get. No, just no, there's a limit to what can be changed from the original.
@@Xiroi87 I totally agree, but I would like to see that scene in 4K as an extra in the 25th Anniversary release of that masterpiece of a trilogy. I would love to see it, along with other deleted scenes. In my opinion, Peter Jackson was wrong to eliminate the parts with Gil-galad. In the original version of the movie Gil-galad is only seen for two seconds. I would have liked an extended version of the Battle of Dagorlad in the Extended Edition of L.O.T.R.
@@Xiroi87 Many people think Sauron was just a burning eye at the time, even though he had a proven physical body, it was his corrupt form and he was missing a finger.
Of course it won't appear, I know that very well. If he had appeared he would not have been able to appear in his Annatar form. I'm a walking encyclopedia of Middle-earth.
Thanks for making this, quite a bit of new information there! I am glad that they chose to go with Haldir as the leader of the Elves, as Arwen was already more prominent in the movies than in the books, and her leading an army would've been a bit much, since we don't actually know how good of a leader she is, and there is no implication about her potential skills. Also, vision Frodo is hella creepy...
There is an interview of Christopher Lee in which he said that Jackson took at least 10 to 20 shots of each scene. That would make for tons of unreleased takes that would be very repetitious.
There is footage of the orcs of Moria chasing the Fellowship into the woods after Gandalf falls, it was in the very first trailer of Fellowship of the Ring. I remember specifically an arrow wizzing past Boromir’s face.
Arwen being at helms deep is soo interesting. Would of been hard to understand how elrond allowed his daughter to go. would of been cool for her to have potentially escaped rivendel at night and chase after the elven army for Helms Deep to aid Aragon. Or maybe Elrond could of been still reluctant to send the army at first. So she escapes for Helms Deep to force his hand and so he sends them there to help the humans win the battle to save his daughter. Either way it would of been nice to flesh out her character and to see her chop up a few orcs in the process.
Another problem with the Worg attack. The people were traveling east, from Edoras to Helm's Deep. The Worgs attacked from the left, or North. Coming from Isengard, they should have attacked from the right! No matter, I still love the films, and would love to see extended versions of the extended versions!
I'm so sad about the Arwen cuts. I would have LOVED to see her at Helm's deep so much! Thank you for this wonderful video ❤ LOTR will always be one of the best movies ever made!! 🎉
9:06 No... In the 3rd film opening with Gollum first finding the ring, they showed his change. Gollum had the ring but used it constantly for 13 years before he was kicked out and by then, he hardly changed. He spent about another10 years before entering the caves for good. By the time he entered the cave, he was unrecognizable from what he used to be and the, he still hand't completely change and this was all practical effects until he was in the caves. Bilbo had the ring for 60 years and didn't change at all. I think the vision he had would have been what Frodo would change into about half way if he would have kept the ring but not the final change. Regardless, CGI was only used on Gollum after his 400 years of being the ring bearer and at his final transformation.
That AND seeing Frodo like that was only a sort of vision (if I heard correctly) Faramir only briefly sees Frodo in corrupted form. Meaning he wasn’t fully transformed, but Faramir was able to see/sense the power and corruption
Ironic they would make more money releasing all this extra footage than they ever will making garbage series and bs movies that no one wants. People who still think its all about money dont get it
You're right about the first thing. Some would hate you. The vast majority. Most of the people who understand the story and who understand storytelling in general and film-making.
@@Albtraum_TDDC I doubt that the vast majority would hate me. And I also doubt that storytelling is the reason why those scenes were deleted, reshot or moved. It would also not have hindered others in understanding the story. No, the only ones who would hate me are the ones who do not like most of the changes Peter Jackson made, like elves at Helm's Deep, Frodo in Osgiliath, the Dead at Minas Tirith etc. There are many changes which in my opinion are worse than Arwen replacing her twin brothers.
Aragorn and Arwen are supposed to be starcrossed lovers and they are separated by the story, if she can just randomly come to see him it makes no sense. It would be cool to see that scene, but I understand why it was cut.
Miranda let slip in a podcast that her character became more popular than Liv's character by the end of Two Towers hence why she had a lot of scenes cut as not to upset anyone but in saying that, she still had way more scenes than Liv did anyhoo.
7:30 Hama and Gamling's actors had one of the best BTS moments when they were dinking around with the crew's equipment. "Ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', Ro...Haaaaan!"
Man I wish Peter Jackson would just have finished editing all the extra footage, make it work timeline wise, and release a new version of The Lord of the Rings in a series format...
Thank you for the kind words! It took a long time to edit the video, gathering all the clips and images from various sources. It's not just thanks to us that we have all the material; it's thanks to many people in the community who have found and gathered the images, quotes, clips, and more over the years! :)
@@MiddleEarthUpdates yeah i think i cant even imagine how long it took:) so you defintly deserve those words and thank you for all your work u put in your videos. As a hard LOTR nerd i love your account
I think the Gollum Frodo scene would have been quite interesting to be in the theatrical release as it shows how many characters like faramir did not truly understand what the ring can do.
I would love if they did another re-release of the films with complete deleted scenes included (as long as they do not contradict the story of the current films, ofc).
It amaze me how Jackson and his team took so many liberties inventing scenes and think "yeah this is respectful to Tolkien's work" yet most likely Tolkien wouldn't have liked the elves at Helm's Deep but certainly would have love a passionate speech of Theoden bc even when there is despair and fear in the hearts of men facing evil, hope and bravery is essential in Tolien's work and there is no elves in the book just the courage of men so that speech would have been top notch.
Of course the movies are masterpieces and I have to say I haven’t read the books. But everyone complained so much about rings of power lacking. Even though the other rings are almost completely left out of the first trilogy and due to a lot of cut scenes some things in the movies aren’t explained. I just rewatched the trilogy and I think the movies are good and I love the Tolkien universe but some characters stories are lacking a lot and because of cut scenes some things feel off. The battles are very well done, a great story and the movies are overall very beautifully filmed. Yes rings of power doesn’t hold up but how could it ever it’s a series instead of a movie. Rewatched the series as well and I really enjoy it and I am excited to see more this season. If the second season and the ones after that are better the haters just made fun of themselves because the first season was already good. Second season looks very promising and I’m excited to watch the first episodes tonight.
I just want to add that context I wish were in the movie is why the elves showed up at helm’s deep. And context about the blade that merry stepped the witch king with. I had to look it up because it isn’t explained in the movie so didn’t make sense he could be killed. And would have loved to see Arwen fight. Then of course there is other stuff like how Gríma controlled Theoden but those are the things I miss the most in the movies.
Many thanks for all your work to gather these scenes. As I read the books long before the films were made, I can more easily get the context for some of the scenes omitted. That said, the text allows time for reflection and deeper understanding whilst the movies must have the wider audience appeal (perhaps for those with a shorter attention span?) It would be great to have the remaining scenes assembled for Return of the King, just to complete the set.
Here there are many I'm really thankful didn't appear in the movies, but that scene of Frodo having this nightmare of becoming something very similar to Gollum was so powerful! I can't believe they didn't add it 💔
I think this is an important reminder that art requires editing. You will make a bunch of stuff and some of it won't go with the rest of it and you have to keep trying things till it all makes sense.
The reason they cut the "grima spitting" part was that it was very windy that day (it had calm down in that scene) but it still blew the spit back into grimas face, or it simply flew back.
Fun fact about Aragorn's stubble: according to Tolkien, certain high Dúnedain (because of their Elvish ancestry) have no beards, explicitly including Denethor & sons, Imrahil, and Aragorn.
i honestly would have LOVED to have seen arwen at the battle of helms deep....really showcase more of aragorns love for a woman who isn't just some pretty face that is absent from 99.9999999% of the story, but actually will be there to fight and possibly die at his side.
Brett, the stunt double gave a 'motivational speech' to all the highschools in my town, and just complained about everything. About John not doing anything physical, about his injuries, the prosthetics, and then he got all gleeful that he was invited to get a tattoo with other cast, but not John. He was so whiny about it that it was a joke for months. This was back when i was at high school 15ish years ago, and after a quick google search, I see hes still peddling the same story.
Jackson mentioned how much footage they have of unreleased scenes, miles long footages. don't care how long would it be at the end, but he HAS TO release ALL the unseen footage. I personaly can't get enough of LOTR and The Hobbit, also all the werk films etc. these films are just magical. cannot understand those who don't like them.
I never fully understood why Aragorn made so much effort to save Haldir, but now it has way more sense. Also Éowin against the uruks would have made the final battle less contrastic and epic but with that scene killing the Witch King is more likely believable.
I would give my left pinky toe for a meeting between Arwen and Galadriel at some point during the movies. She is her grandmother so it would make sense! Also Arwen and Aragon meeting when they were younger… that would have been so beautiful
I would be really down for a miniseries, either on streaming platforms or in a case, with as much unused scenes that could work in it, just because of the sheer immense length. If people still prefer the extended or theatrical cuts, they can stick to those of course! Alternate, storyboarded or unfinished scenes could be released as special features. There could be at least three episodes per movie, each being a chunky film in its own right. I heard how much Helms Deep footage was made (whether glittering caves or stunt fights), and I would be down for whole episode in the miniseries centered around that battle, adding on to the immersion, brutality, scale and importance of that fight. The Last Alliance intro, more Shire scenes, the Moria Orc ambush in Lothlorien, New Zealand travel montages, extended battles and more Fourth Age scenes would be things I would look forward to as well. I also wonder if they ever filmed more scenes with Bill the Pony, as he was very much a background character. I wonder if he had an introduction in Bree and interactions with Sam.
Think the reason the close-up wasn't used was because of the hard winds at Mount Sunday, it made the spit not hit Viggo Mortensen's hand but actually make a sharp corner and fly off so they had no choice to skip it. It's bee cofmirmed in the behind the scenes documentaries.
honestly i had a few issues with Arwen’s lack of meaningful screentime in the movies- she’s just kinda “the ghostly love interest flashback lady” i think her being on the front lines (maybe have a small scene of the human men being weirded out by this) would’ve done wonders for her
Wormtongue poisoning Theodred is near 100% confirmed by the Return of the King GBA game that was based on the shooting script. Here, Saruman reveals that Grima poisoned Theodred during the voice of saruman scene, exactly the way this reveal is done for Lotho in the novels. And exactly like it, this is what prompts Grima to knife Saruman.
I think that with the trailers, they purposely used cut footage to make use of it and to not spoil too much final footage. They had so much to work with that had to be cut so why not treat the trailers like an extension of the films.
The bit where the Uruks cover their ears when Gimli blows the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, it is part of the book. I think the reason it got cut was due to the pace fo the scene.
1300 hours were filmed in total for the LotR trilogy. We've only seen maybe 12-14 hours of footage if we count the extended editions and all the deleted scenes we've seen so far. They cut a lot of really good stuff which has been fully filmed and/or rendered. WHERE ARE THE OTHER 1284+ HOURS?!?
![ALL Unreleased & Deleted Scenes from Lord of The Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring [NEW Edition]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Zni9KHiG4CM/mqdefault.jpg)
Great video, especially as it's not clickbait. Thoroughly and well done.
A Return of the King coverage would be welcomed.
Hoping for those true Ultimate Editions along the line.
Thank you for the kind words, glad you enjoyed it!
Except it is clickbait. It isn't showing all those hundreds of hours of cut footage.. Simply narrating what is missing and showing a few clips here and there.
Love the video, but it most certainly is still clickbait.
@@Stuck313 Kind of agree, but even before I clicked on the video I saw the 16 minute runtime and thought "Okay this clearly isn't showing 'ALL' the footage"
@@Stuck313 You can see the video length before you click it. You must have been the only person who expected hours of footage who clicked this link. Unreleased scenes are exactly that - unreleased. It's an absolute service to attempt to cobble together what these scenes may have been from teasers, trailers, and interviews from those in the know. Nothing came across as deceptive or sensationalized to me, which is the threshold for clickbait.
@@Stuck313 Nah, he says all unreleased scenes and then describes them all. Fairly sure noone but peter jackson would have the hundreds of hours of footage, and if you thought you were getting that you might be dumb
I would watch a 5 hour version of this movie if ever released.
Watch it at 0.75 speeed
I would watch a 25 hour version 😂
Me too!
Me too!
SAME!!!💕💕💕
*R.I.P. Bernard Hill, the one and the only king Théoden of Rohan. We miss you, great actor.*
*_Forth Eorlingas!_*
It would be a great homage to Bernard Hill if they included Theoden’s excellent speech at Helm’s Deep that they cut out. Even if it was just added as a bonus on the extended dvd’s.
You know Your a great Actor if they need You to delivere a speech that inspires hope and in the final edit they need to cut it because You inspired too much hope for the rest of the plot to work.
"Where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?!"
I am very sad at his passing 😢
@jakob2567 Is that seriously why it was cut? If so, God that's badass.
9:57 Bernard Hill just crushed his role as Theoden......even in a deleted scene.
RIP Bernard Hill
Grima poisoning Theodred seems like a very good explanation for how quickly he deteriorated and why Grima looked so surprised when he came into the room and found Eowyn sobbing over him.
I thought of that when I've watched
PJ confirmed they did film a scene of Grima pouring poison into his ear, which was a reference to Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet. Originally during ROTK, Saruman was going to expose this to Theoden during the Voice of Saruman scene which was initially why Grima pulled the knife out.
I'm pretty sure this was in the script at some point. I am basing this on memory, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that Wormtounge poisoned Theodred is mentioned in some old game based on the movies (I think it's from the ROTK on Gameboy Advanced). Based on what I've heard, those games had access to early versions of the movie scripts to be able to finalize development and release close to the movie releases.
Guessing there could a similar situation with the toy, that the poison vial is there due to that when manufacturing started, the intention was to have the poisoning be a plot point in the movie.
@@rj8877 Do you remember where you heard/read this?
Wait? Why would that explain why Grima is surprised? If I'd poisoned someone and found them dead later, I'd consider it as expected. Your comment has confused me.
There was no need for a scene depicting what Frodo would look like if he failed. Gollum was a constant representation of that the entire journey
That's very perspective😊
Bernard Hill was perfect for Theoden. He had that king’s aura that his speech could truly move the audiences. Hearing his speech in Pelennor Field was enough to make me want to join him in the war.
the Arwen stuff is super interesting, considering they already added a lot to her character.
I was intrigued by the Arwen alternatives as well!
I always felt there was such a contrast to how we meet her in the first movie. She is playful, dynamic, and powerful.
‘What’s this? A ranger caught off his guard?’
‘If you want him, come and claim him!’
Compared to her scenes in the rest of the films where mostly she cries, argues with Elrond, and is generally far from the action.
Fighting alongside Aragorn at Helms Deep seems closer to the Arwen we first meet.
I certainly don’t mean that a character can’t have both these elements, and Arwens choice to marry Aragorn as a mortal is narratively interesting.
Just that Arwen changes so drastically from our first impression of her.
I would love to see her scenes at Helm’s Deep. I wonder what would have happened after? It would have been cool if she stayed with Aragorn for the rest of the movie.
I would gladly see a whole movie just based on Aragorn and Arwen's story, with both their origins, their first encounter, their journey both separately and together, and their days as King and Queen of Gondor and the death of Aragorn and Arwen's end afterwards, and how their love story was all meant to happen since Eru decreted it was meant to be. I have a soft spot for these two characters. Viggo Mortensen and Liv Tyler were born to portray Aragorn and Arwen. You see them on screen and you just stand there, mesmerized ❤
I would absolutely spend any amount of hours watching that lol
@@deandean838 God please NO hahaha
Imagine if they whipped out a 25 minute scene from the Old Forest to Bree, and it was actually awesome and believable - with a jolly but somehow terrifying Tom Bombadil singing songs that you can't get out of your head and Barrow Wights and living trees that give adults nightmares.
I don't expect a newer extended edition but I certainly want an anniversary edition with those extra scenes as seperate deleted scenes to be released. Come on, Warner Bros! Just let Jackson release them already because it'll mean more money for you!
I would love to have extended ultra version with all behind the scenes and extra shots
“Shut up and take my money!”
That's a lot of original arwen + galadriel + elrond original storyline that was cut. That's very interesting
arwen fighting at helms deep is the crazy part for me
Thank god thats not the case
@@stormysummer162agree
Absolutely does not make sense. Thank goodness it was deleted
@@lamdao1242ya agree, narratively it was the right decision. would still totally love to see the alternative version tho! can never say no to extra lotr
Yeah, wouldn't make sense that Elrond would send her daughter to such an incredibly dangerous siege.
Especially later on RoTK where he's super protective of her and wanted her to go to the Undying Lands
Great vid. One note: Celeborn is pronounced Keleborn, not Seleborn.
All names that start with C in Tolkien’s works make a K sound, not an S sound. He was of a mind to update the books with Ks instead of Cs but K looks harsher than C and he wanted to preserve the letter K for “ugly” words like Uruk (though even Orc and Sindarin Yrch replaces it with a C)!
What people don't notice is that "Haleth, son of Hama" the boy who talks to Aragorn while working on his sword...is actually the son of THAT mentioned Hama who died in the warg attack. Having Aragorn seen his death makes the scene a little bit more impactful. Could have dropped a line there.
That’s true and could have done a lot for the movie actually!
I'm pretty sure when Gandald says "there is a union now between the two towers" that scene made it as a cut scene in the PS2 LOTR video game "Return of the King"
That’s a cool fact! Didn’t know that.
Few alternate shots in the game I believe.
113 hours of raw lord of the rings footage, I would take a week of work just to watch it!
Crazy how im still finding out about new deleted scenes in these movies. Kinda like Star Wars, they just keep coming.
Yeah same
Speaking of star wars I only just recently found out about the 4 hour initial cut if ROTS
I would’ve loved more Arwen in the film. She was fantastic.
Me too!
Omg Eowyn having to fight one or two uruks in helm deep would've been AMAZING
Arwen/Liv Tyler deserves so much more sceen time in the trilogy they just removed so much
Its insane, there was so much more material it could easily have been another full movie, making for a tetralogy. But its ok I guess we don't need to be greedy. We are lucky this happened in the first place, and this trilogy is already legendary enough even without all that material missing. Would have been so interesting and beautiful to see more of Arwen and Eowyn, the politics and the elves, but these movies do remain relevant even today, nothing even comes close when it comes to fantasy storytelling. What a terrific job from all that amazing cast and production team, Peter Jackson at the height of its career, a once in a century masterpiece. Damn!
Thank you for putting this together. Very interesting and informative. I've always wished Arwen's story arc had a lot more than was shown. I understand the editing process is difficult, plus the pressure of compacting in a coherent way. But these additional shots would have made her character a stronger part of the story.
Glad you enjoyed it!
In the books she barely appears.
They did Eowyn dirty, cut her fighting uruks in helms deep and cut her fighting orcs at the pelenor fields. At least the latter made it into the extended edition
That's crazy seeing Frodo Baggins turning into Gollum he looks really creepy and scary 👀😦😱
glad they didn't use that. because ot doesnt make sense. hes turning so quickly yet frodo proves that he is the most resistant of the ring. gollum on the other hand took him years and years to evolve
It was a vision Faramir sees. Frodo didn't actually turn into Gollum. That's why he decided not to want the ring.
@@Shatter149You've misunderstood the scene. Frodo hadn't randomly transformed for a second. It was a vision of what would eventually be, no matter his resistance. It's actually a real shame it's not in the movie.
@@JavscoGaming i know that. but commonly in this vesion things can actually happen in the future! so in the end, its better they cut that off.
@@Shatter149 try centuries, at this point in time Gollum is over 600 years old
Sooo much material, so much effort behind this movie, so little went on the screen. Cannot imagine how is for the actors as well, to see so much of their work not appearing every time. Thanks for the video!
They cut the close up of grima spitting on aragorns hand due to the wind blowing so hard he ended up spitting himself in the face. Which is also why it is cut together like it is in the movie, to give the illusion that he hits aragorns hand.
What do we want? FULLL EXTENDED!!! I am actually quite annoyed with Arwen's cuts from this (partially for the amount of work Liv Tyler must have done only to be cut entirely), because they started off with her as a bit of a badass; outrunning Nazgûl, drawing her sword, and then using magic to defeat them temporarily (I know this is different in the books)... however, afterwards, she's just a quiet "princess in the tower" type of character. I would have loved seeing her at Helms Deep (although, I also know the Elven army was not present either).
I think part of me just wants Arwen and Éowyn to have met...
Het narrative doesn’t even make sense anymore considering Galadriel is her grandmother. And now we get to watch what a badass Galadriel is in rings of power and I think arwin would definitely follow her footsteps.
Yes we need a scene of Arwen and Eowyn sword fighting for Aarogon
I love how informative this was!
It wasn't a deleted scene moment, but a few years ago, the movie theater near me was playing the extended version of Return of the King. I was there with a friend and my dad at the time, and from the part when Frodo, Sam, and Gollum are trying to sneak towards the stairs, to when the Orcs are ambushing Faramir and everyone in Osgilith, the sound cut from the movie. This is one of my favorite moments ever, because to make up for it, when the Orcs were stomping out of Minas Morgul, the audience in the theater room, myself included, all began to stomp on the floor until the army was gone. The first sound we heard when the audio came back was when Gothmog and his army were coming from the water and Gothmog said "QUIET... "
It really made everyone laugh. Best movie theater moment I've ever had.
Dunland was actually mentioned in the theatrical cut of the Fellowship. Legolas shouts
“Grabeye from Dunland” after Gimli says it’s nothing, just a whiff of cloud… so Eowyn saying Dunlandans would’ve only slipped those who weren’t paying attention
Crebain* from Dunland
I would like very much an extra bonus version of the fight between Aragorn and Sauron at the Black Gate in 4K with the special effects and the full Dagorlad battle with Gil-galad and his death (it was filmed).
Nice video.
Greetings.
I'm sure PJ removed that scene because he was aware of all the backlash he's get. No, just no, there's a limit to what can be changed from the original.
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I totally agree, but I would like to see that scene in 4K as an extra in the 25th Anniversary release of that masterpiece of a trilogy. I would love to see it, along with other deleted scenes.
In my opinion, Peter Jackson was wrong to eliminate the parts with Gil-galad. In the original version of the movie Gil-galad is only seen for two seconds.
I would have liked an extended version of the Battle of Dagorlad in the Extended Edition of L.O.T.R.
@@Xiroi87 Many people think Sauron was just a burning eye at the time, even though he had a proven physical body, it was his corrupt form and he was missing a finger.
@@kanukki84 He still didn't show up at the gates to personally fight Aragorn
Of course it won't appear, I know that very well. If he had appeared he would not have been able to appear in his Annatar form. I'm a walking encyclopedia of Middle-earth.
Thanks for making this, quite a bit of new information there! I am glad that they chose to go with Haldir as the leader of the Elves, as Arwen was already more prominent in the movies than in the books, and her leading an army would've been a bit much, since we don't actually know how good of a leader she is, and there is no implication about her potential skills.
Also, vision Frodo is hella creepy...
Arwen having involvement in the battle of helms deep is crazy.
There is an interview of Christopher Lee in which he said that Jackson took at least 10 to 20 shots of each scene. That would make for tons of unreleased takes that would be very repetitious.
I remember the scene where Eomer's sword fell out of its scabbard. It's strange that they didn't reshoot this scene.
There is footage of the orcs of Moria chasing the Fellowship into the woods after Gandalf falls, it was in the very first trailer of Fellowship of the Ring. I remember specifically an arrow wizzing past Boromir’s face.
Arwen being at helms deep is soo interesting. Would of been hard to understand how elrond allowed his daughter to go.
would of been cool for her to have potentially escaped rivendel at night and chase after the elven army for Helms Deep to aid Aragon. Or maybe Elrond could of been still reluctant to send the army at first. So she escapes for Helms Deep to force his hand and so he sends them there to help the humans win the battle to save his daughter.
Either way it would of been nice to flesh out her character and to see her chop up a few orcs in the process.
I can't believe they cast a real Ent for these movies. I wonder what happened to him?
Museum, not sure if it has been open yet tho
Another problem with the Worg attack. The people were traveling east, from Edoras to Helm's Deep. The Worgs attacked from the left, or North. Coming from Isengard, they should have attacked from the right!
No matter, I still love the films, and would love to see extended versions of the extended versions!
Yes, I would watch all these too in an even longer version if it was possible
I'm so sad about the Arwen cuts. I would have LOVED to see her at Helm's deep so much! Thank you for this wonderful video ❤ LOTR will always be one of the best movies ever made!! 🎉
Yes Please Return of the king unreleased scenes
Awesome video thank you so much. This must have taken ages to put together!
The scene when she tells Grima that his words are poison to her makes sense now.. she was letting him know she knew what he'd done.
where is the shot at 16:18 from??
It’s was originally in the epilogue of the Retun of the King! We recently uploaded a video of that, check it out! ☺️
@@MiddleEarthUpdates thanks!
Given Bernard Hill's passing, I would love to see his Helms Deep speech in the armory.
Yeah me too!
9:06 No...
In the 3rd film opening with Gollum first finding the ring, they showed his change. Gollum had the ring but used it constantly for 13 years before he was kicked out and by then, he hardly changed. He spent about another10 years before entering the caves for good. By the time he entered the cave, he was unrecognizable from what he used to be and the, he still hand't completely change and this was all practical effects until he was in the caves. Bilbo had the ring for 60 years and didn't change at all. I think the vision he had would have been what Frodo would change into about half way if he would have kept the ring but not the final change.
Regardless, CGI was only used on Gollum after his 400 years of being the ring bearer and at his final transformation.
That AND seeing Frodo like that was only a sort of vision (if I heard correctly)
Faramir only briefly sees Frodo in corrupted form. Meaning he wasn’t fully transformed, but Faramir was able to see/sense the power and corruption
Awww, I'd have loved to see more of Arwen and Arwen+Aragorn together, great video 👐
Ironic they would make more money releasing all this extra footage than they ever will making garbage series and bs movies that no one wants. People who still think its all about money dont get it
Yes. The fact that the deleted and left out scenes from LOTR is such outstanding quality compared to anything else, speaks volumes.
Some may hate me for this but I really believe that removing the whole Arwen storyline with Arwen at Helm's Deep was a huge mistake.
You're right about the first thing. Some would hate you. The vast majority. Most of the people who understand the story and who understand storytelling in general and film-making.
@@Albtraum_TDDC I doubt that the vast majority would hate me. And I also doubt that storytelling is the reason why those scenes were deleted, reshot or moved. It would also not have hindered others in understanding the story.
No, the only ones who would hate me are the ones who do not like most of the changes Peter Jackson made, like elves at Helm's Deep, Frodo in Osgiliath, the Dead at Minas Tirith etc.
There are many changes which in my opinion are worse than Arwen replacing her twin brothers.
Aragorn and Arwen are supposed to be starcrossed lovers and they are separated by the story, if she can just randomly come to see him it makes no sense. It would be cool to see that scene, but I understand why it was cut.
Yes! This was great! Would have loved to see the scenes of them in Lothlorien
Miranda let slip in a podcast that her character became more popular than Liv's character by the end of Two Towers hence why she had a lot of scenes cut as not to upset anyone but in saying that, she still had way more scenes than Liv did anyhoo.
Cause she's more human than an idealized version.
7:30 Hama and Gamling's actors had one of the best BTS moments when they were dinking around with the crew's equipment.
"Ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', ridin', Ro...Haaaaan!"
Man I wish Peter Jackson would just have finished editing all the extra footage, make it work timeline wise, and release a new version of The Lord of the Rings in a series format...
1300 hours of video material?
Gladly...
I watched movies countless times,but i think i watched ;;;how its made even more
Very good work and very good video, thanks for capturing all of this for us❤
Thank you for the kind words! It took a long time to edit the video, gathering all the clips and images from various sources. It's not just thanks to us that we have all the material; it's thanks to many people in the community who have found and gathered the images, quotes, clips, and more over the years! :)
@@MiddleEarthUpdates yeah i think i cant even imagine how long it took:) so you defintly deserve those words and thank you for all your work u put in your videos. As a hard LOTR nerd i love your account
12:26 Did you know that Galadriel is grandmother of Arwen?
yes
Namarie Bernhard Hill. The greatest king of Rohan. If they published the deleted scenes within the movies, I would by them.
You do a very nice job! I enjoy your videos 👍
Thank you very much!
I think the Gollum Frodo scene would have been quite interesting to be in the theatrical release as it shows how many characters like faramir did not truly understand what the ring can do.
I would love if they did another re-release of the films with complete deleted scenes included (as long as they do not contradict the story of the current films, ofc).
It amaze me how Jackson and his team took so many liberties inventing scenes and think "yeah this is respectful to Tolkien's work" yet most likely Tolkien wouldn't have liked the elves at Helm's Deep but certainly would have love a passionate speech of Theoden bc even when there is despair and fear in the hearts of men facing evil, hope and bravery is essential in Tolien's work and there is no elves in the book just the courage of men so that speech would have been top notch.
I can understand why it's not in the movie. But Shadowfax trying to smooch Gandalf is great.
Of course the movies are masterpieces and I have to say I haven’t read the books. But everyone complained so much about rings of power lacking. Even though the other rings are almost completely left out of the first trilogy and due to a lot of cut scenes some things in the movies aren’t explained. I just rewatched the trilogy and I think the movies are good and I love the Tolkien universe but some characters stories are lacking a lot and because of cut scenes some things feel off. The battles are very well done, a great story and the movies are overall very beautifully filmed. Yes rings of power doesn’t hold up but how could it ever it’s a series instead of a movie. Rewatched the series as well and I really enjoy it and I am excited to see more this season. If the second season and the ones after that are better the haters just made fun of themselves because the first season was already good. Second season looks very promising and I’m excited to watch the first episodes tonight.
I just want to add that context I wish were in the movie is why the elves showed up at helm’s deep. And context about the blade that merry stepped the witch king with. I had to look it up because it isn’t explained in the movie so didn’t make sense he could be killed. And would have loved to see Arwen fight. Then of course there is other stuff like how Gríma controlled Theoden but those are the things I miss the most in the movies.
Many thanks for all your work to gather these scenes. As I read the books long before the films were made, I can more easily get the context for some of the scenes omitted. That said, the text allows time for reflection and deeper understanding whilst the movies must have the wider audience appeal (perhaps for those with a shorter attention span?) It would be great to have the remaining scenes assembled for Return of the King, just to complete the set.
I mean at this point I’m definitely eager to watch a whole new extended edition ;)
These vids are so so good
Here there are many I'm really thankful didn't appear in the movies, but that scene of Frodo having this nightmare of becoming something very similar to Gollum was so powerful! I can't believe they didn't add it 💔
I think this is an important reminder that art requires editing. You will make a bunch of stuff and some of it won't go with the rest of it and you have to keep trying things till it all makes sense.
The reason they cut the "grima spitting" part was that it was very windy that day (it had calm down in that scene) but it still blew the spit back into grimas face, or it simply flew back.
Fun fact about Aragorn's stubble: according to Tolkien, certain high Dúnedain (because of their Elvish ancestry) have no beards, explicitly including Denethor & sons, Imrahil, and Aragorn.
i honestly would have LOVED to have seen arwen at the battle of helms deep....really showcase more of aragorns love for a woman who isn't just some pretty face that is absent from 99.9999999% of the story, but actually will be there to fight and possibly die at his side.
Brett, the stunt double gave a 'motivational speech' to all the highschools in my town, and just complained about everything. About John not doing anything physical, about his injuries, the prosthetics, and then he got all gleeful that he was invited to get a tattoo with other cast, but not John. He was so whiny about it that it was a joke for months. This was back when i was at high school 15ish years ago, and after a quick google search, I see hes still peddling the same story.
What story?
Why did John not get a tattoo anyway?
Jackson: There is atleast 1300hrs of unrelease footage of the Lord of the Rings
Fans: send out your warg riders!
Great video, thanks (although Celeborn is pronounced "Keleborn") :-)
Hopefully, an Extended-Extended version will be released eventually. I love Middle Earth.
I'd love to see these in an extended edition 2.0!
Jackson mentioned how much footage they have of unreleased scenes, miles long footages. don't care how long would it be at the end, but he HAS TO release ALL the unseen footage. I personaly can't get enough of LOTR and The Hobbit, also all the werk films etc. these films are just magical. cannot understand those who don't like them.
RotK video, please! Great job with putting this together
I never fully understood why Aragorn made so much effort to save Haldir, but now it has way more sense.
Also Éowin against the uruks would have made the final battle less contrastic and epic but with that scene killing the Witch King is more likely believable.
Oh yes, a video on Return of the King please !
The extended Arwen/elves plot isnt nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Sounds fairly reasonable.
That Arwen fighting scene is epic indeed, but ridiculous.
Hopefully they put out a 25th Anniversary edition that puts a lot of the Arwen and Eowyn content back in
No Fellowship of the Ring version of this video then? 🤨 or I’m an idiot and missing something (quite likely 😅)
Love these btw!😉👍
I would give my left pinky toe for a meeting between Arwen and Galadriel at some point during the movies. She is her grandmother so it would make sense!
Also Arwen and Aragon meeting when they were younger… that would have been so beautiful
I would be really down for a miniseries, either on streaming platforms or in a case, with as much unused scenes that could work in it, just because of the sheer immense length. If people still prefer the extended or theatrical cuts, they can stick to those of course! Alternate, storyboarded or unfinished scenes could be released as special features. There could be at least three episodes per movie, each being a chunky film in its own right. I heard how much Helms Deep footage was made (whether glittering caves or stunt fights), and I would be down for whole episode in the miniseries centered around that battle, adding on to the immersion, brutality, scale and importance of that fight. The Last Alliance intro, more Shire scenes, the Moria Orc ambush in Lothlorien, New Zealand travel montages, extended battles and more Fourth Age scenes would be things I would look forward to as well. I also wonder if they ever filmed more scenes with Bill the Pony, as he was very much a background character. I wonder if he had an introduction in Bree and interactions with Sam.
you mean there's even MORE than the extended editions!? 🤯
So mad that they omitted Arwen from the battle 😭😭😭 Praying to those scenes see the light somehow.
Much better than anything in The Rings of Power.
Think the reason the close-up wasn't used was because of the hard winds at Mount Sunday, it made the spit not hit Viggo Mortensen's hand but actually make a sharp corner and fly off so they had no choice to skip it. It's bee cofmirmed in the behind the scenes documentaries.
They shot the Pukul men at the entrance to the paths of the dead, from the book but cut in the film.
honestly i had a few issues with Arwen’s lack of meaningful screentime in the movies- she’s just kinda “the ghostly love interest flashback lady” i think her being on the front lines (maybe have a small scene of the human men being weirded out by this) would’ve done wonders for her
Wormtongue poisoning Theodred is near 100% confirmed by the Return of the King GBA game that was based on the shooting script. Here, Saruman reveals that Grima poisoned Theodred during the voice of saruman scene, exactly the way this reveal is done for Lotho in the novels. And exactly like it, this is what prompts Grima to knife Saruman.
What the films don’t tell u is shadowfax was theodens horse and Gandalf stole it
thx ... now i have to watch it all again.
I think that with the trailers, they purposely used cut footage to make use of it and to not spoil too much final footage. They had so much to work with that had to be cut so why not treat the trailers like an extension of the films.
The bit where the Uruks cover their ears when Gimli blows the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, it is part of the book. I think the reason it got cut was due to the pace fo the scene.
It's good that you have listed all you could, but you mixed up "extra filming material" with actual scenes.
8:46 i did not know this scene was exist. its very cool if tey put in the movie.
1300 hours were filmed in total for the LotR trilogy.
We've only seen maybe 12-14 hours of footage if we count the extended editions and all the deleted scenes we've seen so far. They cut a lot of really good stuff which has been fully filmed and/or rendered.
WHERE ARE THE OTHER 1284+ HOURS?!?
9:07 Frodo’s vision of being gollum is even more creepier than the real gollum.