What Is Sufism? Islam and Mystical Experience

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  • Опубликовано: 13 дек 2024

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  • @CosmicSkeptic
    @CosmicSkeptic  18 часов назад +24

    Get all sides of every story and be better informed at ground.news/AlexOC - subscribe for 50% off unlimited access during the holiday season.

    • @joshuataylor3550
      @joshuataylor3550 17 часов назад +1

      I enjoyed your evisceration of Cliffe on your live debate and his odd appeal that agnosticism is both impossible for you and humble for him lol.

    • @cloroxbleach6344
      @cloroxbleach6344 17 часов назад

      You should have Hasan Spiker on your show

    • @Abdelrhman20S
      @Abdelrhman20S 16 часов назад

      We take Islam from its true sources: the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran is the holy book, and the Sunnah includes the authentic sayings of the Prophet (Hadith) and his noble biography (Seerah). Anyone who contradicts what is found in the Quran and Sunnah or introduces something not established by the Prophet ﷺ and his companions falls into innovation (Bid’ah).
      The Prophet ﷺ said: "I have left with you that which, if you hold on to it, you will never go astray: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah."
      He also said: "Every innovation is a misguidance, and every misguidance leads to the Fire."
      This is the straight path, and whoever adheres to it will be rightly guided, while those who deviate from it fall into misguidance.

    • @Abdelrhman20S
      @Abdelrhman20S 16 часов назад

      Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah (PBUH) is the one who proclaimed himself as a Prophet and brought forth a religion called Islam. And this Islam is the only monotheistic religion on the face of the earth! No other religion upholds the pure monotheism that all the Prophets called for-the monotheism of al-fitrah (the natural human disposition)-except for Islam! All other religions have been influenced by some form of polytheism, whether small or large! No religion has maintained true monotheism and total submission to Allah alone, except this one!
      Now, this Prophet (PBUH) also brought a book called the Qur'ān. This book contains knowledge, laws, guidance, self-purification, stories of the ancients, parables, exhortations, commands, and prohibitions-all conveyed in a literary style that the Arabs had never encountered before! He challenged them to produce something like it, but they failed! The level of rhetorical beauty in the Qur'ān is nothing short of miraculous!
      Furthermore, this Prophet was supported by Allah, and his mission was victorious. His message reached lands and empires the Arabs could never have dreamed of conquering. The Companions of the Prophet (PBUH) conquered Persia, the Levant, Iraq, and the Byzantine Roman Empire. What does this indicate?
      Not only that, but this Prophet (PBUH) did not die until he had completed the Shariah (Islamic law)! He passed away just days after the revelation of the verse from Allah:
      "Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion." (Qur'ān 5:3)
      The religion was completed, perfected, and shortly after, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) passed away, having fulfilled his mission.
      Now, here is the point:
      The coming of this Prophet, Muhammad ibn 'Abd Allah (PBUH), was prophesied thousands of years before his birth!
      For example, in the Book of Daniel 7, it mentions that there would be four great kingdoms: Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome. And at the time of the fourth kingdom, the nation of the saints of the Most High would emerge! This nation would defeat the four kingdoms and restore monotheism to Jerusalem. This was mentioned long before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came!
      Daniel (PBUH) also prophesied that the emergence of this nation would take place 350 years after Constantine the Great, who was also prophesied in the same book! Constantine appeared around 300 AD, and adding 350 years brings us to approximately 650 AD, which is the time when the monotheistic Muslim forces entered Jerusalem under the caliphate of 'Umar ibn al-Khaṭṭāb (may Allah be pleased with him). This was the first time since the time of Daniel (PBUH) that Jerusalem was ruled by a monotheistic nation! This prophecy is remarkable!
      'Abd al-'Aḥad Dāwūd, a former priest of Urmia, said about this prophecy:
      "The most wonderful, and perhaps the most manifest prophecy about the divine mission of the greatest man and the Messenger of God (PBUH)!"
      He later embraced Islam after recognizing the truth of this prophecy.
      The prophecy also foretold that this nation would conquer Constantine’s land, Constantinople itself! What more could one ask for?! There are countless prophecies like this!
      In fact, there is a text in their scriptures stating that the end-time Prophet would appear 1750 years after the death of Moses (PBUH), which aligns exactly with the time of the mission of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). This is why the Jews of Muhammad's time used to say:
      "The time of the last Prophet has come, and he will soon appear."
      Additionally, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was known for his honesty, and this is crucial! Anyone who claims to be a Prophet must either be the most honest person in the world or the most dishonest. A Prophet claiming divine revelations would have to be constantly truthful or a compulsive liar, spreading lies about receiving divine commands every moment. But Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was known for his impeccable truthfulness.
      If you want to accuse him of lying, you need to offer a complete theory that explains all the evidence of his prophethood: the prophecies, the miracles, the divine support, and the knowledge in the Qur'ān. If he wasn't a Prophet, how did all this happen? How did prophecies foretell his coming thousands of years before his birth? How could miracles happen at the hands of a liar? Why did the Companions believe in him so deeply that they were willing to sacrifice their lives for him? This doesn’t make sense unless he was truly a Prophet.
      Now, let’s consider the possibility that he was a sorcerer. This is an incomplete theory as well. It fails to account for the prophecies, the infallibility of the Qur'ān, and the call to pure monotheism. The polytheists accused him of sorcery simply because they couldn’t understand where he was getting his knowledge from. They were unable to trace its source, so they resorted to accusing him of magic. But this accusation only proves their inability to comprehend the truth.
      The bottom line is:
      Think for yourself!
      If Muhammad (PBUH) was not a Prophet, then how did all this happen? His prophecies, miracles, divine support, and the completion of his mission-it is a puzzle that cannot be solved by any theory other than the one that acknowledges him as the true Prophet of God.
      There is no other explanation that fits all the facts.

    • @Marz-sd4ps
      @Marz-sd4ps 16 часов назад

      Last episode “I fear for my life talking about Islam. Also I don’t know enough Islam” next episode proceeds to give opinions about Islam. And seriously people always giving us this bad violent name. Muslims welcome critical questions and challenging if it is respectful cause educated muslims have all the answers and proof. If it’s internet trolls which made u feel this fright, that is all rubbish

  • @LetsTalkReligion
    @LetsTalkReligion 18 часов назад +268

    Thanks for having me on Alex! Greatly enjoyed the conversation!

    • @BanAaron
      @BanAaron 17 часов назад +21

      I can't believe my two favourite youtubers are collabing. What a great day to have eyes and ears

    • @jeffk862
      @jeffk862 17 часов назад

      ​@@BanAaron same thought!

    • @JRTIGER07
      @JRTIGER07 17 часов назад +1

      If you can't see ISALM is a copy and Paste from Christiaty maybe your in the wrong field 😂

    • @samuellblake
      @samuellblake 17 часов назад +1

      what a cross over

    • @Snowforest60
      @Snowforest60 17 часов назад

      Because his engaged with some Muslim scholars before and they were hostile, verbally abusive like the religion teaches them to be to non believers ​@@BanAaron

  • @engurland
    @engurland 17 часов назад +123

    Alex dropped this on a Friday evening. It'll be a slow night in the clubs of England tonight.

    • @harrytowers1076
      @harrytowers1076 12 часов назад

      Just fot back from one. You can tell by the typing.

  • @rasha9546
    @rasha9546 17 часов назад +85

    Oh hell yes Sufism on the show finally!
    Can we get Swami Sarvapriyanada on next for Advaita Vedanta?

    • @BriannaPrajnaVieira
      @BriannaPrajnaVieira 17 часов назад +4

      I second this! 👋

    • @CamouflageMaster
      @CamouflageMaster 17 часов назад +5

      Would love Alex to delve more into other religions and more mysticism bc dogmatic believers prolly know nothing about their God

    • @rasha9546
      @rasha9546 17 часов назад +5

      @@CamouflageMaster Facts. Mystical religions and organizations have taught me more about Christ and God than Christianity has

    • @mohammedhanif6780
      @mohammedhanif6780 17 часов назад +1

      @@CamouflageMaster stop stereotyping

    • @CamouflageMaster
      @CamouflageMaster 17 часов назад +5

      @@mohammedhanif6780 don't think i am. In short, belief isn't knowledge. While mainstream religion is basically just beliefs, if i understand correctly mysticism deals with actual experience/knowledge of God/reality. Not saying i have this knowledge or anything. I'm agnostic tending towards believer

  • @S_C_A_000
    @S_C_A_000 18 часов назад +38

    Filip's channel is awesome, so glad you got him on!

  • @yaseenmiah64
    @yaseenmiah64 17 часов назад +30

    Finally videos on Islam. Do more Alex!

  • @whootoo1117
    @whootoo1117 16 часов назад +21

    As a Sufi & Swedish who follows both of you, i really enjoyed this intellectual conversation and the deep ideas you of being you talked about here.

    • @zihaofang-kl3yq
      @zihaofang-kl3yq 13 часов назад

      You mean swedistan. Trump will remove all the migrants.

  • @jtkconection
    @jtkconection 16 часов назад +8

    My god, the amount of new content on the internet featuring Alex is insane! I would say keep it up, but please don't burn yourself out man! Thank you for all of the immensely thought provoking conversations

  • @RusIanRoy
    @RusIanRoy 11 часов назад +8

    I've never found out about Sufism until now, but after watching this video, I became certain I'm a sufi. It came natural to me. I've always preferred praising The Almighty's greatness through unyielding my curiosity beyond human scriptures, like my field in Astrophysics and Cosmology. Sufism to me is embodying the attributes of the truth so I become one with it, not having an opinion, but rather being very present with my consciousness and read through the signs and lessons to become more righteous. Thank you Alex for this video!

    • @33-vertebrae
      @33-vertebrae 10 часов назад

      You might like Inayat Khan's works. They are online for free.

  • @mikedegrassetyson8807
    @mikedegrassetyson8807 16 часов назад +13

    I'm a philosophy student and these two are my two favourite RUclipsrs this is a dream come true

  • @gamingwithdingo
    @gamingwithdingo 18 часов назад +111

    Time to give the Christians a breather😭

    • @cloroxbleach6344
      @cloroxbleach6344 17 часов назад +21

      This guy he has on is a Christian, Alex doesn’t seem to engage with actual traditional Muslim scholars for some reason

    • @bobsbobbs
      @bobsbobbs 17 часов назад

      @@cloroxbleach6344”for some reason” i can think of a few reasons.

    • @phenomenal821
      @phenomenal821 17 часов назад

      ​@@cloroxbleach6344
      Maybe he doesn't know much about Islam.

    • @CrimzonLia
      @CrimzonLia 17 часов назад

      @@cloroxbleach6344You can find his debate with Mohammed Hijab posted on this channel 4 years ago. See how that went...

    • @adhamh3666
      @adhamh3666 17 часов назад +4

      ​@cloroxbleach6344 is he Christian? Fairly sure I remember him saying he used to be Christian.

  • @Sreerags5959
    @Sreerags5959 17 часов назад +27

    Yes! More scholars who are knowledgeable in Non-Abrahamic/Eastern philosophies please. There is an absolute lack of those perspectives in these discussions. A discussion of Advaita Vedanta or other Vedantic thoughts perhaps? Or discussions about the development of Buddhism, Jainism and other heterodox sects. Let'sTalkReligion has done a great job in exploring these areas. Since you already have him on the channel, why not utilize him properly!

    • @moussaadem7933
      @moussaadem7933 15 часов назад

      Islam/sufism are Abrahamic. Abraham is a central prophet of Islam.

    • @sufjanwaleryszak1765
      @sufjanwaleryszak1765 15 часов назад +1

      And contemporary paganism like heathenry, kemeticism, Wicca, etc

    • @Diary_of_Devotion
      @Diary_of_Devotion 13 часов назад +1

      I agree, but I’d like to see more practitioners of eastern religion rather than just academics.

    • @333_studios
      @333_studios 13 часов назад +2

      Actually this is a rare case of Abrahamic mysticism. But yes mystical traditions tend to interestingly be similar to the Eastern philosophies.

    • @DarthLore00
      @DarthLore00 12 часов назад +1

      I agree but Islam is Abrahamic

  • @YouthfulYogi91
    @YouthfulYogi91 18 часов назад +12

    I enjoy and have learned a lot from Filip's work and content, as I have yours, Alex. Glad to see this dialogue and cross over happening.

  • @dri-fit9712
    @dri-fit9712 17 часов назад +48

    Would be cool to have an Orthodox Muslim on at some point, we’ve seen Within Reason with hardline Christians, but not with Muslims.

    • @akramelmansouri6752
      @akramelmansouri6752 16 часов назад +22

      Criticism isn’t a practice they’re accustomed to in Islam. When I was a Muslim, the only thing repeatedly drilled into my mind was that it was a perfect religion, one of love and peace.. i never heard any critisicm, and as soon as i did, it was clear there was absolutely nothing divine about it .. I think the conversation would either not last very long or turn into an unbearable display of fallacies and a complete inability to respond to any questions. This is because Sunni texts (Quran + hadiths) are, how can I put it, particularily horrible.

    • @devilsadvocate7389
      @devilsadvocate7389 16 часов назад +10

      @@akramelmansouri6752I second that… talking to a wahabi would be like talking to a wall.

    • @dri-fit9712
      @dri-fit9712 16 часов назад +13

      I’m sorry to hear of your experience. I am a Sunni Muslim, with degrees in Philosophy and Political Theory, and I’m constantly experiencing critical reflections on our faith, be they in academic settings or in local mosques. Especially now in the online da’wah age, Muslims are constantly engaged in debating their worldview.
      Yet as mentioned, I’m not here to belittle your experience. I’m sure there are Muslims who aren’t very charitable, but you’ll run across that in any community; generalisations aren’t helpful to overcome that.
      As for our primary sources being ‘horrible’, safe to say I disagree, but I’d be happy for Alex to challenge one of our representatives on the reliability of the Qur’an+Ahadith.

    • @SpeaksYourWord
      @SpeaksYourWord 16 часов назад +9

      ​@dri-fit9712 Good to know there's you people like you who value skepticism, but do you really think mainstream muslim thinkers like muhammad hijab would be willing to sit down and have an honest and civilized discussion like this?

    • @Adaguflo
      @Adaguflo 16 часов назад

      @@dri-fit9712maybe you could debate him

  • @CatsnCoasters
    @CatsnCoasters 16 часов назад +9

    Great timing, Alex. I just bought my first collection of poems by Rumi & then you go and release this little doozy!

    • @fahad56297
      @fahad56297 11 часов назад +1

      Read book on Ibn Arabis teachings by William Chittick.

  • @aj84893
    @aj84893 17 часов назад +11

    would be great to see Alex do more stuff on Islam, engaging with Islamic polemics especially these days where it's so prevalent (at least where I'm from) would be interesting to watch! anyways, great vid

  • @Synto56
    @Synto56 17 часов назад +46

    Thank you Alex for covering a topic related to Islam. I understand it can be dangerous to discuss in these times but I applaud you for making videos about it.

    • @Abdelrhman20S
      @Abdelrhman20S 16 часов назад +7

      We take Islam from its true sources: the Quran and the Sunnah. The Quran is the holy book, and the Sunnah includes the authentic sayings of the Prophet (Hadith) and his noble biography (Seerah). Anyone who contradicts what is found in the Quran and Sunnah or introduces something not established by the Prophet ﷺ and his companions falls into innovation (Bid’ah).
      The Prophet ﷺ said: "I have left with you that which, if you hold on to it, you will never go astray: the Book of Allah and my Sunnah."
      He also said: "Every innovation is a misguidance, and every misguidance leads to the Fire."
      This is the straight path, and whoever adheres to it will be rightly guided, while those who deviate from it fall into misguidance.

    • @noluckasmr
      @noluckasmr 16 часов назад

      @@Abdelrhman20SJews, Atheists and Christians alike all agree the Bible has not been corrupted, you can read what the Bible said EXACTLY like 200 years before Muhammad was born in the Codex Sanaiticus. It literally says the same thing, your whole religion is built off a con artist. The Quran says it CONFIRMS previous scripture, yet in the first 6 pages it claims the punishment for sin isn’t even death, that’s Judaism/Christianty 101, your “prophet” even got the basics wrong

    • @devilsadvocate7389
      @devilsadvocate7389 16 часов назад +10

      @@Abdelrhman20Sok boomer

    • @azmainfaiak8111
      @azmainfaiak8111 16 часов назад +10

      @@Abdelrhman20Swhy is Quran so full of scientifically wrong claims?

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf 16 часов назад

      ​@@azmainfaiak8111Hooooo boy, you did it now. Get ready for the Muslim apologists to start doing backflips trying to convince you about how all of the poetic language in the Quran are actually deep scientific truths. "Umm, ackshually, when the Quran says the universe was created, that's basically the entire big bang model of cosmology"

  • @UniqueSnoop
    @UniqueSnoop 18 часов назад +17

    Omg the collab I always wanted!!!! Lets talk religion is one of the best channels out there. Thank you!
    This is coming from a muslim btw ❤

  • @anewdayhomeinspections7219
    @anewdayhomeinspections7219 11 часов назад +1

    You two are some of my favorite thinkers on RUclips. Thank you for having him on Alex. I would love to see more content with both of you in the future!

  • @GospodinStanoje
    @GospodinStanoje 17 часов назад +10

    I think you two are twins in: Demeanor, tonality, sincere approach and intellectual honesty.
    Your energies and "vibes" completely match.

  • @Tomas33392
    @Tomas33392 17 часов назад +15

    2 of my favorite youtubers having a conversation, delightful!

  • @afshinrohani
    @afshinrohani 17 часов назад +4

    Awesome episode! Filip Holm also does a great episode on the Baha'i Faith.

  • @zaid_alhelu
    @zaid_alhelu 17 часов назад +2

    I think you teased this collab like 6 months ago. Glad it finally happened ❤️‍🔥

  • @terrorkf
    @terrorkf 17 часов назад +11

    I'm a Christian but I was very happy to see this video on my feed. Intellectual conversations about the details on other religions is needed.

    • @Skye_7_7
      @Skye_7_7 16 часов назад +2

      Absolutely 😊

    • @pioneerfullstack
      @pioneerfullstack 16 часов назад +2

      As an atheist the more I know about my enemies the better. 🥰

  • @irreview
    @irreview 17 часов назад +6

    As a Sufi, I'm amazed Alex can give a crash course on God's transcendence versus immanence.

  • @stevesmith4901
    @stevesmith4901 15 часов назад +6

    It was just a matter of time for Let'sTalkReligion to make an appearance here. Excited to watch this episode!

  • @mehdimehdikhani5899
    @mehdimehdikhani5899 18 часов назад +10

    Please invite Seyed Hossein Nasr to your show.

    • @zaheer8153
      @zaheer8153 17 часов назад

      Really wanna see this happen

    • @aswinunni1811
      @aswinunni1811 16 часов назад

      Does he do podcasts now? Isn't he old old?

  • @younes5043
    @younes5043 16 часов назад +3

    I really like Philip and his videos, but I believe that this conversation is an example of how the academic approach can get in the way or understanding rather than facilitating it in some cases.
    I see that Philip is very conscious of nuances and counter-examples to common understanding. This is great to go into with people already familiar with the subject at hand, but for introducing a subject to a new audience, I believe it causes the plot to be lost a little bit.
    I think the introduction of mysticism in Islam and Sufism would be much better served by assuming a core narrative and representing it, sacrificing the nuances in favor of a big picture view. Not to lose the forest for the trees so to speak. Specifically in the case of Sufism, I was hoping that a taste of the tradition would be transmitted to the viewer rather than an overview of the academic view.
    Perhaps another discussion is in order with a Sufi practitioner to cover the topic from an experiential angle which I believe Alex is more and more interested in.
    I think it would be amazing to interview someone who makes sense of the world through a Sufi perspective and question them on theology, critiques of Islam, view of other religions, etc.

  • @bksue20
    @bksue20 18 часов назад +14

    Have a sufi sheikh on plz. It's gonna be interested

    • @cloroxbleach6344
      @cloroxbleach6344 17 часов назад +3

      He should have hasan Spiker on

    • @zooropa5722
      @zooropa5722 11 часов назад

      @@cloroxbleach6344 No, dude is a straight terrorist supporter and pos - he literally said he loved what hamas did on oct 7.

  • @luisramrod9121
    @luisramrod9121 17 часов назад +1

    Wow my two favorite youtubers on religion 😮

  • @guywhoisnotbob
    @guywhoisnotbob 17 часов назад

    I've been hoping to explore this branch of mysticism more. Thanks Alex and Filip!

  • @BeyondBeliefBelle
    @BeyondBeliefBelle 14 часов назад

    Nice! Two of my fave RUclipsrs in one video!
    Also, damn! Homeboy Alex has been on fire with the uploads.

  • @basedautistic6021
    @basedautistic6021 17 часов назад +7

    People in the UK need to start debating Islam. Why fear the radical ideas when you can defeat them in debate? Much love Alex, God bless!

    • @AxccleratE
      @AxccleratE 17 часов назад

      They do debate every day I think on that park they have there.

    • @mohammedhanif6780
      @mohammedhanif6780 17 часов назад +1

      Islam is deeply radical but not in the way you probably think.

    • @basedautistic6021
      @basedautistic6021 17 часов назад +3

      @ you’re thinking of speakers corner. That’s true, but the threats that people receive for discussing Islam are obviously far worse for public figures. People shouldn’t have to fear for their lives for questioning a religion. As a Christian and an ex atheist, I love Alex’ work. I would never threaten someone because they disagreed with me

    • @akramelmansouri6752
      @akramelmansouri6752 16 часов назад

      @@mohammedhanif6780 cutting off the hand of a thief, beating your wife if you fear her disobedience, the possibility of marrying a child/minor, killing an apostate, inheritance divided unequally depending on whether you’re a man or a woman, the possibility of having slaves and sexual slaves, or the ability to sleep with a married woman if she’s your slave, Forcing disbelievers to pay a tax if they don't get in your religion, to not take a disbeliever as an ally, leave any sitting where religion is being criticized or mocked .. loong list
      Yeah probably not in the way he thinks, not even in the way the majority of muslims today think, because it's much more radical than you can imagine .. the majority of people do not know the texts, and that's why religious authority is still holding its ground in my home country.

  • @goobus_floobus
    @goobus_floobus 16 часов назад

    Alex, as always, bringing us interesting information that enriches our understanding of the world and our own lives

  • @CrescentCrusader99
    @CrescentCrusader99 13 часов назад

    Nice to see Alex do a video about Islam.

  • @blissfullyliving1
    @blissfullyliving1 18 часов назад

    Love it Alex ❤

  • @SeattleKrishna
    @SeattleKrishna 17 часов назад +1

    Two of my favorites in one place!

  • @samyebeid4534
    @samyebeid4534 16 часов назад

    My two favourite youtubers😍😍😍😍

  • @karimshawagfeh3630
    @karimshawagfeh3630 16 часов назад +1

    filip holm and alex on a podcast talking about Sufism is something I never knew I needed ajrgofijeaorigj

  • @Samounian
    @Samounian 17 часов назад +12

    Sunni Sufi Muslim here. I believe in strong adherence to shariah etc. yet I must say Salafis have this hilarious inability to contextualise Islamic texts it's become a meme/insider joke among other sunni Muslims. Salafis will even consider it 'innovation' and thus a wretched practice for someone write poetry to God. There's no reasoning with these guys, they usually experience the 'Salafi burnout' eventually.
    The important thing to consider is that Sufi forms of worship that we commonly think of when we think of the term, are not canonical aspects of worship nor are they a replacement for mandatory prayers, but they are a way of connecting to God - it falls under the Dhikr category (remembrance of God). The only gripe would be to avoid structures where everyone is singing and there's an Imam in the middle as it *looks like* reverence of the Imam.

    • @akramelmansouri6752
      @akramelmansouri6752 16 часов назад

      Strong adherence to Sharia? As in cutting off the hand of a thief, beating your wife if you fear her disobedience, the possibility of marrying a child/minor, killing an apostate, inheritance divided unequally depending on whether you’re a man or a woman, the possibility of having slaves and sexual slaves, or the ability to sleep with a married woman if she’s your slave?
      I was a Sunni Muslim before. These are a few excerpts of Sharia law I’m familiar with. Is it different in Sufi Islam?

    • @dri-fit9712
      @dri-fit9712 16 часов назад +4

      How gracious of you to visit an atheist’s comment section to talk smack about your fellow Muslims.
      Yet then you’ll turn around and accuse salafis of sectarianism lol

    • @Samounian
      @Samounian 16 часов назад

      @@dri-fit9712 Salafis are trying to protect tradition which I appreciate and respect, but they go overboard and it deserves to be criticised especially when they bring a bullying attitude. Forget mere sectarianism, Salafis takfir other regular Sunnis more than any other 'sect' takfirs another.

    • @MohammedAlSharif2002
      @MohammedAlSharif2002 14 часов назад

      What do you mean by Salafis can’t contextualize Islamic texts? And which Salafi scholar forbid writing poems where you are addressing god directly?

  • @jacquelinerodriguez-m1c
    @jacquelinerodriguez-m1c 16 часов назад

    Yassss bae! Let’s get to the good stuff!

  • @georgepantzikis7988
    @georgepantzikis7988 17 часов назад

    Amazing colab! If you can, I would love to see Jay Garfield talk about Buddhism

  • @CyberArtTime
    @CyberArtTime 10 часов назад

    @43:54 - Alex states: “The Catholic church have, as a dogma, that God’s existence can be known through reason and rationality. If you don’t think you can establish God’s existence through the use of reason and rationality alone, you are anathema to the Catholic church.”
    The Catholic Church does teach that God's existence is knowable through reason, as affirmed by the First Vatican Council, but it doesn't demand that every individual personally prove God's existence through reason alone to avoid being condemned or excluded. The anathema you mentioned applies specifically to the outright denial of the principle that reason can discern God's existence-not to those who struggle with philosophical arguments or rely on faith. The Church holds that faith and reason work together, with reason opening the door to recognizing God's existence and faith leading to a fuller understanding of who God is.
    Otherwise, great conversation.

  • @jeffk862
    @jeffk862 17 часов назад

    Just started watching, I love Filip, as far as videos delving into religion on RUclips, ive watched more of his than the rest that ive watched combined. Super learned guy. If youre reading this, thank you!
    Secondly, just had to comment on the fact that Filip used hyperrational to describe mystic sight, almost exactly the same way Bishop Barron described faith as supra rational. On the far side of reason, at the horizon of human perception and intellect. Good stuff already 👍

  • @ozonecandle
    @ozonecandle 11 часов назад

    I love letstalkreligion!

  • @alexs.8594
    @alexs.8594 15 часов назад +2

    Was not expecting this one but so glad two of my favorite RUclipsrs are collabing

  • @33-vertebrae
    @33-vertebrae 10 часов назад

    I've been reading Inayat Khan's works online for free and it seems to be the closest thing to Rudolph Steiner's esoteric Christianity that I can find for Sufism. I like his universal, non-rigid approach to Sufism. Much more palatable than most other Sufi thinkers.

  • @timetraveller2818
    @timetraveller2818 17 часов назад +2

    Now we need more Taoism (or Daoism), Buddhism etc. eastern philosophies.

  • @KirurUwU
    @KirurUwU 10 часов назад

    When asked which religious movement has a particular focus on rationality and philosophy and could therefore be in conflict with Sufism, Filip Holm answers with Salafism. It would be better here to speak of Falsafa and Kalam (with the dominant schools of Ash'arism and Maturidism), although it should then also be mentioned that the conflict is not as great as one might expect or is more complex. Historically, scholars of Kalam were not usually against Sufism, but the two disciplines influenced each other. Then there were also those practitioners of those respective disciplines which were a little critical of the other and some were highly critical of the other. In summary, it was a lively engagement. To some extend it still is, in one way or another.

  • @Maxarcc
    @Maxarcc 15 часов назад +4

    I really like this guy! His videos taught me I should be more precise in my critique, and that understanding what other people believe is a worthwhile pursuit for many different reasons.

  • @MohammedAlSharif2002
    @MohammedAlSharif2002 14 часов назад

    19:50 the Malikis weren’t Ahl Al-Ra’i (or however that word is supposed to be spelled in English) but rather they were from Ahl Al-Hadith.

  • @sba6082
    @sba6082 17 часов назад

    It's 1:35 AM here in Korea...why did you upload this now I have to listen this till I sleep...

    • @changez77654
      @changez77654 17 часов назад

      checking in from korea at 1.49am - and watching 🤓

  • @AncientMonarch
    @AncientMonarch 14 часов назад +5

    As a Muslim, I never expected this conversation. It just made my day 😂

  • @MelFinehout
    @MelFinehout 10 часов назад

    Alex you really need to talk to someone who is NOT a scholar but a person who has had the identity shift associated with non-duality

  • @johncrondis4563
    @johncrondis4563 16 часов назад +2

    Sufism is pretty cool. I like all the non-dual perspectives on reality, regardless of semantics :)

    • @adamborowicz7209
      @adamborowicz7209 11 часов назад

      "non-dual" meaning "self-contradictory"?

    • @bike4aday
      @bike4aday 11 часов назад

      ​@@adamborowicz7209 Non-dual as in observing the non-dualistic nature of phenomena.

    • @johncrondis4563
      @johncrondis4563 11 часов назад

      @@adamborowicz7209 I don't mean that, but why are you thinking it means that?

  • @megazekemeister
    @megazekemeister 16 часов назад

    I think there's actually a relatively simple reason why there are less Shia Sufis: if you believe your Sheikh is the Qutb, the perfect man who stands at the top of the human hierarchy before God, then that is a threat to the authority of the Imam.
    Afaik the leaders of Shia orders generally didn't claim to be Qutbs but rather representatives of the Imam, but were still seen as a threat by religious and secular Shia leaders.

  • @mohammedeid7033
    @mohammedeid7033 10 часов назад

    You know to be honest I was just today hours ago thinking it would be great if Alex oconnor talks more about Islam as he talked a lot about the bible as his main focus, I wish there's more focus on talking about islam since it's a crazily spread religion especially in the UK there's now so many islamists like it used to 10 or more years ago.

  • @pandacool1403
    @pandacool1403 12 часов назад +2

    Saw someone recommend Swami Sarvapriyananda as a guest and i couldn't agree more! Would love to see him on your show for a talk on Advaita Vedanta or Hinduism in general.

    • @threestars2164
      @threestars2164 11 часов назад

      Only if Hindus can provide evidence that their religious writings are more than the ideas of an unimpressive ape that evolved on a planet in a galaxy in the backend of nowhere. So far no religion has bothered.

  • @octavianrei
    @octavianrei 15 часов назад +2

    This made a great Friday evening with Sufism and tea. Thank you.

  • @SQ1316
    @SQ1316 14 часов назад

    Alex, if you want to have in the future muslim guests I suggest the Muslim Lantern, blogging theology and hamza's den

  • @TimC-Cambridge
    @TimC-Cambridge 17 часов назад +1

    Good thinkers, this should be good. Though I do think Filip's Claim " Philosophical Taoism isn't of itself complete or whole " is false.

  • @KikiKiki-j4p
    @KikiKiki-j4p 17 часов назад +2

    13:20 nice to know his name is Philipe

  • @lonple6858
    @lonple6858 15 часов назад +2

    These are my two favorite creators in the same video, perfect lol

  • @osmansaid4601
    @osmansaid4601 11 часов назад

    I hope you interview timothy winter aka Abdul hakim murad next.

  • @VoidHeadtheBroken
    @VoidHeadtheBroken 11 часов назад +1

    I think it's quite funny how various sects, schools of thought or whatever within religions are so much like fans of fiction discussing their own take on random nonsense and speculation that expand on the source material and make inferences to conclude things that they have no way of knowing whether they were intended by the author or whether they are of their own invention and that were never conceived of by the author that they're just reading into it. To me this seems a very obvious parallel to draw but is rarely brought up in the stuff I watch. I think it makes even professional study of religion as a sociological phenomenon a bit frivolous to be honest.

  • @Adamsham
    @Adamsham 16 часов назад +2

    Have a talk with hamza yusuf , like jordan did

  • @ApostateProphet
    @ApostateProphet 17 часов назад +19

    I'm glad he countered the misunderstanding many people have, that Sufism is a branch of its own.
    Very nice episode, although there is much more to explore when it comes to the depths and the meaning of "being" in Sufism.

    • @dri-fit9712
      @dri-fit9712 17 часов назад +15

      “Very nice episode yet much left to explore”
      The episode was uploaded 15min before you typed that comment lol.
      Are the views drying up or why do you have to roam around youtube for new attention seeking?

    • @einsteinchacha5797
      @einsteinchacha5797 17 часов назад

      @@ApostateProphet I want to see you in one episode with Alex on Apostasy in Islam

    • @AxccleratE
      @AxccleratE 17 часов назад +1

      ​@@dri-fit9712 he's just trying to get an episode here, looks like his new gods aren't giving him much these days.

    • @ally4131
      @ally4131 17 часов назад

      It’d be great if you could collaborate with Alex, maybe he could interview you on your views and why you left.

    • @loserang2877
      @loserang2877 16 часов назад

      Sufi is nothing but a try to ripoff yoga practices.

  • @arthurdinucci
    @arthurdinucci 18 часов назад +3

    I heard from a moslem RUclips video that - Allah has two right hands. Is this correct?

    • @arthurdinucci
      @arthurdinucci 18 часов назад

      Is islam a deist religion where as Christianity is theistic.?

    • @Herobeans
      @Herobeans 18 часов назад +2

      @@arthurdinucci huh??????

    • @im_abdurakhmanovjohn
      @im_abdurakhmanovjohn 18 часов назад +6

      Allah has 2 right hands, but it is not like anything in this world. It is different and unimaginable from the human perspective

    • @Herobeans
      @Herobeans 18 часов назад

      take your meds old man

    • @loe1468
      @loe1468 18 часов назад

      And a shin

  • @nicco-sixty
    @nicco-sixty 17 часов назад +2

    Concerning music, the consensus of the scholars of ahl as-sunnah is that it is impermissible to play instruments, except this one kind of drum.

    • @akramelmansouri6752
      @akramelmansouri6752 16 часов назад

      Yup, one of the saddest "divine rules" that took the joy out of my childhood

    • @ekkimittrettanafn2242
      @ekkimittrettanafn2242 16 часов назад

      ​@@akramelmansouri6752your desires are nothing but short time amusment and delusion. We all worship something and you are just choosing your own feelings

  • @cloroxbleach6344
    @cloroxbleach6344 17 часов назад +2

    Alex, why don’t you invite actual Muslims like Tim Winter, Hasan Spiker, or Ali Ataie to your channel to explain Islam instead of Christians like let’s talk religion?

  • @Theshamanomar
    @Theshamanomar 15 часов назад +1

    I’ve listened to a lot of this guy’s videos and he is a very humble seeker who has deep respect for all spiritual paths. Great having him on your channel Alex.
    The one thing that all Muslims, including your guest, miss or conveniently leave out, is that sup, or Islamic mysticism, came from the foundations of Zoroastrianism.
    When the Islamic armies went east from Arabia through the Middle East into Iran, etc. by the time they entered Persia, the Zoroastrian priest (Magi) cleaned out the fire temples and accepted Islam.
    The proof is in the historical documentation, showing that the major religion of the Indus valley, Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, etc. was Zoroastrianism which many would say was the first monotheistic religion. So it was easy for them to accept Islam as Islam is a pure monotheistic religion.
    As a matter of fact, Mysticism within all of the monotheistic religions are completely tied in to Zoroastrianism, combined with the direct experience, which usually is accomplished through plant medicines just as was done in the earliest civilizations in Al Khemet (old kingdom, Egypt), Mesopotamia /Sumer, and Aryana (Middle East/ Indus Valley).
    The origins of mysticism and shamanism and human history leading into spiritual paths, a.k.a. religions something I have studied for over 30 years and would love to speak to you about 🙏🏼

  • @JamesBarry-j7m
    @JamesBarry-j7m 16 часов назад

    My real question is how can two chaps be so handsome and so intelligent at the same time😅😅😅😅

  • @adnanleo3096
    @adnanleo3096 16 часов назад +1

    Why does the 2nd Chapter in Quran starts with "Alif laam meem" letters? And who are these "Mutaqin" specially mentioned in the verse straight after that for whome this book is guidance. These first two verses are too profound to just jump ahead to the third.

  • @jaihunbek
    @jaihunbek 18 часов назад +5

    Nice Alex! You should have Dr. Khalil Andani on too.

    • @dri-fit9712
      @dri-fit9712 17 часов назад +2

      No he shouldn’t, just as he shouldn’t have a mormon on to discuss mainstream christianity

    • @jaihunbek
      @jaihunbek 16 часов назад

      @@dri-fit9712 Andani is an academic as well. I was going to say Alex should also have Peter Adamson on too, in order to get more into the historical weeds of the subject.
      The very idea of a "mainstream" Islam is problematic, by the way. Mainstream at what time, in what place, at what point in history, and according to whom? The reason why it would be helpful to have Andani on is because he fairly represents the internal diversity of Islam, precisely unlike the types you would probably like to come on and represent "mainstream" Islam.

    • @dri-fit9712
      @dri-fit9712 16 часов назад +1

      “ helpful to have Andani on is because he fairly represents the internal diversity of Islam”
      No he doesn’t, he says things that are obviously false and serve no purpose but to denigrade Sunni Islam. For example, in the Islam video he did for capturing Christianity, he claimed that Sunni Muslims pray to Muhammad (saws) and sacrifice to him.
      You don’t need to be a Muslim to realise how absurd that is (in fact, I was sent the video by a Catholic friend who told me “no way this is true, right?”).
      As for it being supposedly so difficult what normative Islam is, that simply seems to me a symptom of over-academising the subject. Sunni Islam has been the preponderant paradigm throughout Islamic history, with sects like Shi’ism, Kharijism, etc. always having been fringe movements.

    • @jaihunbek
      @jaihunbek 15 часов назад

      @@dri-fit9712 Who would come and best represent mainstream Islam in your view? Because Alex’s platform has gotten so large that it actually matters, and the attitude with which he has up to now treated Islam leaves a bad taste in my mouth (constant random appeals to Islamic civilization as having such “other” and “offensive” moral practices that bespeak our moral realist intuition that “that just has to be wrong!”). I just want to see Islam represented in academic and fair way for the public to digest; not in a proselytizing way by some camp within the religion, nor by someone who is simply going to “double down” on the moral charges against Islam (like Daniel Haqiqatjou on child marriage for example).
      So who do you think is a good choice?

  • @floridapepe
    @floridapepe 15 часов назад +2

    I actually yelled in excitement when i saw this i love philips channel hes the best

  • @Bibbedibob
    @Bibbedibob 15 часов назад +3

    Another rare Islam video, awesome!

  • @eternalstruggler
    @eternalstruggler 17 часов назад +1

    Alex please do a podcast on neoplatanism next with dr Justin sledge and Filip homes please please please please please please please please please please please

  • @nicholasfejer8451
    @nicholasfejer8451 13 часов назад +1

    Exploring spirituality will lead to the answers you seek.

  • @Amaanster265
    @Amaanster265 16 часов назад

    Two RUclipsrs who I used to help me with my philosophy of religion final paper

  • @bronjo9343
    @bronjo9343 10 часов назад

    Don't you ever try to criticize Islam at all. That job is for men and women who are ready to sacrifice their lives.

  • @eternalstruggler
    @eternalstruggler 17 часов назад

    oh my goooooooooooood my two favourite religious study youtubers i guess i should say but you both are kind of atheist collaborating dream come truuuuueee

  • @bluelotus.society
    @bluelotus.society 16 часов назад

    *Please invite Swami Sarvapriyananda next !*

  • @kaloarepo288
    @kaloarepo288 11 часов назад

    Well the Albanian Bektashi sect which is highly mystical is quite interesting and they are very moderate and tolerant in their attitude. Saw them on Bethany Hughes program about the Balkans and Turkey. Don't like how they keep the bodies of their ancestors in coffins downstairs in the cellars and crypts of their houses though!

  • @1kTroopKoopas
    @1kTroopKoopas 18 часов назад

    The thumbnail had me tripping for like 5 seconds, thinking it was a Drumeo video with a very unusual drummer

  • @MidwestBen101
    @MidwestBen101 17 часов назад +1

    please talk about eastern religions more !

  • @jacksonelmore6227
    @jacksonelmore6227 12 часов назад +1

    Aaron Abke collab would be historic

  • @altaydogahan342
    @altaydogahan342 10 часов назад

    Oh I thought he was going to speak to a Muslim Sufi. For some reason I believe Alex would be drawn to the tradition.

  • @Adaguflo
    @Adaguflo 16 часов назад +1

    Finally some content about something else not christian xddd

  • @Hanan.T.K
    @Hanan.T.K 17 часов назад

    Alex, get Subboor Ahmed on please!!

  • @SoufBouchahati
    @SoufBouchahati 13 часов назад

    God in islam is indeed unlike his creation and beyond the confinement of space and time. Yet, closer to each one of us than our jugular vein in terms of seeing, hearing and all encompassing knowledge, even of our inner thoughts. It's a pretty simple concept to comprehend.

  • @ilbhaley79
    @ilbhaley79 17 часов назад

    This is an avengers level crossover for me

  • @lvoo48
    @lvoo48 17 часов назад

    Isn't anybody else kind of pissed that Alex uploads such amount of hours that we can't watch all? 😂

  • @MarkPatmos
    @MarkPatmos 11 часов назад

    If love and love for God is being connected with wine, and alcohol is forbidden quite universally in Islam, does this mean love and love for God is also forbidden in Islam?😅

  • @MarkPatmos
    @MarkPatmos 11 часов назад

    If everything is God, then we are God as well. It is normally understood that God is omnipresent, in Christianity at least, but we have individual first person consciousness and ability to choose in a way that is contrary to God's will. The Sufi person saying 'I am truth' might be a bit like saying he is God in a similar way to Jesus I would have thought, and might be suggesting or claiming that he literally is God?

  • @kedirahmed2913
    @kedirahmed2913 16 часов назад

    yes, finaly the video i have been waitng for, this is great

  • @k9any
    @k9any 16 часов назад

    Loving the tash

  • @joshuas9236
    @joshuas9236 16 часов назад +1

    Fuck yeah Filip! Your favorite RUclipsrs favorite RUclipsr.

  • @AhmedAhmed-x2z5j
    @AhmedAhmed-x2z5j 13 часов назад

    Great video Alex

  • @CardinalNous
    @CardinalNous 15 часов назад +1

    As a wise old sage once said from a proverb - "Islam does to a man exactly what rabies does to a dog"
    - The wisest.

  • @KikiKiki-j4p
    @KikiKiki-j4p 17 часов назад

    Maybe you could introduce the speaker. Who is he? What are his credentials etc?