I was at the game in the north bank but didn't get involved as id been slashed across the back 2 weeks earlier by a yid down Tottenham high road. West ham took a hiding that day yes they had a real good go but were surprised We were proper up for it that day. Early to mid 80s we had one of the naughtiest fims around. Thats fact.
Remember this game very well , was in north bank to , yes ICF came in but from what i see they got battered by a group of greek lads who appeared to know they were coming , i was only a teen at the time and this was my first real taste of footy agro ,the buzz was amazing ..oh and the peanut seller , just carried on shouting ' roasted peanuts ' as all around him it was mayhem 😊
I wos there that day i wos one of the Greek guys that stood and gave to the icf cowards. Thay never run us and the only way they think they took the north bank is because they where protected by the old bill we run them before and after the game but when they killed one of us we went to Upton park there manor and we run all over the place we know the real truth we where there eie
I was a Gooner season ticket holder for years from mid 70s to late 90s. West Ham/ICF were ruthless but the Arsenal didn't chicken out. However, I witnessed darts, kung-fu stars, sharpened 'coins', steel balls, etc being thrown into the Gooner, but some of the stuff got thrown back. 1973 Arsenal were away to West Ham and the visiting Arsenal fans, including me and my mate, were tucked away to the right of the goal, surrounded by coppers. Sure enough after Arsenal scored the missiles came in fast and hard, there were Arsenal fans with kids and some quite old Gooners too, after Arsenal scored a second the more vulnerable Gooners slipped away, as the missiles were launched again. Half time came and more Gooners took the prudent path and buggered off home. The size of the Gooner support was reducing, and when West Ham pulled one back, a sizeable part of the Gooners escaped. With about 5 minutes left me and my mate decided to do the sensible thing and head for the tube station. Well got out of the stand and were walking towards the large gates when we heard "There they are", wishing to keep our boyish good looks, we scarpered. Through the gates we ran and hopped onto a bus that was passing as the ICF came through the gate. We were lucky to get away without a scratch. There were fights and often the innocent were hurt, but at that time football violence was out of control. Weirdly it makes fond memories of all the home and away games, whether there was fighting or not. There was a sizeable crowd from around Slough that supported different clubs but as soon as we were at Paddington waiting for the train home, we were all mates, no fighting, just talking and bragging.
Remember that day well,never seen anything like that at Arsenal that day kicked off from both sides and middle of north bank.Arsenal gave ICF a proper battle that day.ICF where very organised and up for it,
Absolute bollox!!! I was in the northbank I was next to the fella who let the smoke bomb off!! Pushed arsenal down to the bottom even some got on the pitch and fair enough they come back up at us in the top corner avenell road side of the northbank and had a proper go and it was a proper tear up they were fuming and up for it !! Then another firm of West Ham (canning town) come in from the other side of the northbank and it went again with arsenal in the middle and getting attacked from both sides!! Arsenal were proper game that day but too many people have got terrible memories and yeah and that was the start of the skirmishes in Bethnal Green Hackney road etc !! Who remembers the beehive pub on Roman road arsenal got in there and got done by the under 5s smoke bomb thrown in the door and arsenal got done in there !! Arsenal caught us out at Plaistow one year and we come unstuck and they got in the west side Upton Park early doors (the only firm to do it ) and that was short lived for the herd !! But I will say Arsenal don’t get the credit they deserve and are right up there and on their day are a handful!! More then I can say about the yids
You probably started singing Arsenal songs until you got a safe escort eventually to the Clockend. As for your under 5s I still have there Burbberey scafes when they got a surprise on Drayton rd. You sound like that idiot covert police officer that bragged about being part of Millwall in the North Bank !!! The Heard and the main ICF put to bed there football issues and became money earners together. Bee Hive became a pub before pre drinks for the Heard before dancing in Wisppers. Don't forget the Herd bought GBi O's Om the Berdittie Road as well !!! Anyway shame what happened to that Arsenal supporter on that day , proper gentleman brawlers would never look at that day as a trophy. You will never find a Herdsmen that has written a book or involved in any input in making a deluded film !!! Lot's of respect for Pennant and the big man the gardener. Police are still interested and fishing so only speak of what is known 😎
Everton always had good relations with Arsenal, one of their lads (can't remember his name) his brother Steve was Evertonian & him & his mate Chris went home & away
I was there. Near the Manager's dugout. Had a front row seat view of the chaos in the North Bank. Can still remember the disgust on Trevor Brooking's face when the ref was taking the players off. The worst trouble I ever saw at Highbury, it's tragic that a young man was murdered that day.
Few of my family ( Arsenal) were in there that day . Honest account was West Ham came running down stairs kicking and punching men kids and women like they did a lot in those days. But Arsenal were ready this time , Arsenal regrouped and went ballistic bashing up all the West Ham in the northbank , the ICF were only saved by a police cordon. That’s actually truth from that day . West Ham know it too . They never tried it again . Arsenal were at Upton Park in 83/84 season and called West Ham on and both mobs went for it . Arsenal had another pop at West Ham in 85 in the stand opposite chicken run
thats a true account you say. i watched the whole scene from start to finish in the north bank. west ham did not punch kids or women. the only people i saw were people who wanted to be involved fact. west ham fans came in from both sides in the north bank and the arsenal fans were running on the pitch and anywhere to safety.
@@garyedwards9759 it’s a true account I say I say . West Ham attacked anybody irrespective of who they were . And even non hooligans went into your ICF that day as I’m sure you know as you were there !!! I’m also sure you will admit the ICF and their followers got done that day
@@markjohn1910 i was stood in the clock end and could clearly see everything from start to finish. west ham fans certainly did not get beaten or chased out of that north bank. in fact they stayed up in the top left hand corner the whole game. yes the police had surrounded about 200 of them by now but it certainly didnt look like they were being protected. this looked a very hardcore mob that wernt going to be moved. only stating what i saw.
@@garyedwards9759 well let’s agree to disagree , I’ve heard from few people West Ham and Arsenal over the years plus from my brothers who were in northbank , granted West Ham came in to cause havoc like they did at Highbury throughout 70s. But seriously they got done that day , my problem with West Ham is they all think they’re unbeatable etc back then , but it’s not true . I myself was at Upton Park in late 83 , and saw Arsenal go for West Ham big time just as match finished in the away end , both West Ham and Arsenal fans went for it . Surely I didn’t imagine that mate ??? I was only a teen but saw thst myself
@@markjohn1910yes people see diffrent things. i was not in the icf so have no reason to lie im just stating what i saw. it was one of those games you dont forget in a hurry even tho it was over 40 years ago.
It was part of the day when going to a match in them times , just like a pie and a pint . A lot of the time it was instigated by the local police in them times. Holloway police station used be rivals with Tottenham police and they used to have to join forces in policing both grounds in which they used to encourage home supporter's fighting away supporter's . The police used have banter with one another about who's firm got done on the weekend , in fact there was a crazy Arsenal police officer that was the heavy weight police boxing Champion , him and his other officer friends would give you a good slap if you didn't show up for it. In the Clockend was a special holding pen that police used to put unruly supporter's in until the end of the game. But they could choose how many home fans and away fans could be placed in there. I remember police having bets between themselves who would win the fight they had instigated. They basically had there own personal colosseum , you could over look it from the side of the Clockend . Holloway police station probably still have the trophies won by that boxer who supported Arsenal in them times in the cabinet near the stairs leading to the canteen. Sad but true !!!
It was part of the British culture at the time as well as going to the soul/funk clubs then the rave scene back end of the 80s it went hand in hand no different from the 60s mods v rockers or skinheads and teddy boys !! And even today though it was finished years ago there’s still a solid bond amongst us lads from different firms from all over London and some of the rest of the uk 🇬🇧 and its most of these lads who support our veterans on remembrance days and we’re together on marches after the terrorist acts in Manchester and London also on anti lockdown marches during when our tyrannical government tried to keep people locked up in their own homes so they can carry out their evil agendas !! So no not saddoes these people have more bollox then a lot of people who sit on their arses and do nothing but moan about it on channels like these
@@paulkillick527 if ever a Heards man was to write a book it would be a trilogy. Broken family's, so called friends, fashion, music, all the girls, clubbing and day's out on a red bus rover. One day we will be together !!!
I remember getting taken out and put in the little narrow terracing bit along the side with a load more West Ham but a few were obviously still in there.
If I remember rightly, either on the day of the match or a few days before, a newspaper (I think it was The Sun) wrote an article, where an Arsenal Top Boy was saying, "He was the Hardest fan in London". This enraged a lot of WHU fans and it caused a more than the usual, tense build up to the local Derby. We all knew something was going to happen and by witnessing the proceedings on that day, you could tell it had also been planned in advance! From standing in the safety of The Clock End, you could see The ICF & West Ham's main mob, making their way along the top of the North Bank, towards the middle. Two large pockets of fans had already established themselves high-up & either side of stand. You could tell The Arsenal were apprehensive because they were aware West Ham was in there somewhere. Just before the KO, one of the groups at the back on the left hand side let themselves be known (or they were recognised?). But Arsenal's big mistake, was to relinquished the ground behind the goal to make their way towards the trouble!................ It was the cue to throw an orange smoke bomb into the crowd & the ensuing panic, allowed The ICF to surge forward in large numbers and attempt to 'Take the End'! Many Arsenal fans ended up on the pitch & found it difficult to get back in. A mob that looked over a hundred strong, battled hard to establish the spot behind their goal. In their 'End' the ICF also had reinforcements helping from the flanks. The Arsenal fans were all over the place and unorganised but did eventually surround the WH mob, who were now mainly fighting the coppers! Many West Ham fans got onto the pitch and took the well deserved plaudits from their own fans when joining the Clock End. A jubilant (& bruised) West Ham mob remained in The North Bank, (certainly in all the first half) & found themselves completely surrounded by the police, while the home fans kept having a pop at them when ever they could. Even when the Arsenal eventually got the North Bank back, you could tell they were deflated after what went on before. It was a mad memorial day and it was mayhem outside after the game but most West Ham fans was up for it when Arsenal came looking for revenge. I was in my 20's & married but following football was my true love and it meant everything to me then. But never enough for someone to lose their life.
I watched the mayhem from the Clock End and it looked to be a good scrap. However, my Gooner friends say that they also gave the ICF a bit of a kicking in the NB. Perhaps the Gooners in the NB can let us know what they did and thought about an ICF infiltration.
Remember that game, if I'm right we lost 2-0 and the chants were Thank you very much for the North Bank Highbury, I was around 16 yrs old and in the Clock end Highbury with my mate Jim ⚒️
I remember, West Ham got in early but police just got in the middle,we came late &. had to come from the top entrance to the north bank & rushed West Ham but the police put a stop to futher violence .If was believe me ,had mates at West Ham-Balck Nat,Chelsea-One. Arm Babs,Tottenham-Brixton & dumb dumb.Seeing West Ham running away from 6-0 AFC bought tears of laughter & no one got nicked.
Another day i remember got a bit of a hiding myself that day but im old school chicken run ICF it brings back memories great post buddy makes me feel 21 again
Wasn't the date may bank holiday weekend , 1 may, 1981-82 season , because Liverpool were away to spurs Monday night, 3 may. I think the dates are wrong, everything about this channel is wrong.
I remember this game, it wasn’t about the north bank at that time clock end mate, west stand, all I was looking at that day was fat icf running up the road.
Trevor Brookings final London derby..All through the match the North Back sang "Who's the W***kers in the seats" aimed at the Hamster supporters in the West stand..they tried 2 steam the North Bank at full time but the police had already anticipated this and quickly stepped in to sqash the spanners firm..ahhhh, the good old daze..
I read the book and remember that day well. The thing was we didn't really have the number required to do the job conclusively. Always regarded Denton and the Gooners / herd ,as a bit of a joke which of course they were.
In 1977 Arsenal was at home to westham, we all got in the North bank around 12:30 & a big geezer called Jennings was running the show we had running battles all through the first half & still westham couldn’t take the North Bank, the only geezer I saw getting a slapping was this African chap who had the brightest red & white scarf going he didn’t have a clue about other fans & got a few digs 😂😂👍great days
Think a lot of gooners' were at a different game to me, some arsenal (Dentons firm mainly) were up for it more than usual and I took a few right hands but I gave out a lot more and never got done or run. I was in Nb quiet early and lots of West ham faces around, the time came the shout went up we steamed in pushed arsenal back, old bill came into us started to smack us with truncheon charges and push us back out the cover of NB, arsenal tried twice to breach old bill as they believed the were at an advantage but old bill pushed us right over left hand side and were kicking whu out to take them up the Clock end but many of us slipped the old bill along the front and back towards middle, lots of little whu firms recognisable Essex boys Maidstone, Canning town etc started to move together, some arsenal were game started to move over dont know if the arsenal or us started next thing were all throwing left and rights and arsenal moved back but to be fair they had not run, maybe regrouping because they came back at us then the smoke bomb went off right in front of the gooner's they didn't seam to know were we were and it was a turkey shoot they run out the right side and on the pitch and about 4/500 of us right up the back in the middle hole game, arsenal tried several times to get round the back of us but to no avail, was there hole game. After the game I came out was told arsenal firm had had a go but had legged it down plimsoll lane so we followed them down to Finsbury park got on train never see any arsenal, didn't know about the feller got done till I see it on the news read somewhere he had a knife but dropped it and it was picked up and used on him but I wasn't there so dont know.
Maybe you weren't on the front line and hiding in the background like a coward, you lying west yammer's, only wanna tell a story when it suit's you, when you take a beating, you can't admit it.
The fellas name was John Dickinson and he never had a knife!! He was with a mob of Arsenal that come down the stairs at Finsbury Park tube station as West Ham were on the platform West Ham went at them and that’s when he got chivved !!! He was from south London
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682 hold on a minute !!! That’s double standards and when it suits isn’t it? Apart from the scousers an element of your firm were well renowned for slashing people so stop talking bollox!! Every firm had their people for using tools not that I agree with it !! So don’t even go there with the cowardly comments you soppy hunt !! 😂
I was there. Lyle and Scott were the Top Boys. We lost some good men that day. MOD have classified the day as Top Secret. Im not sure where these accounts have been obtained from.
82 arsenal were a top firm on par with west ham on their day not many can say that 82-88 arsenal v v good when it mattered ,can still pull a firm that tottenham never turn out for when they know whats coming,even to this day
Ì was there but only a kid and have always hated westham since that day especially after we heard one of us had been murdered during probably before the game
Yerrr I herd about that a kid from school said Arsenal got their way early & filled up their North stand & westham were going nuts but there was nothing they could do except out side 😂😂😂
@johngooner3576 Too busy noncing was ya😂 We fuckin terrorised you and you'd av to be blind to not know that. We was from Twickenham, Hoxton and all over the gaff.
@@johngooner3576 your having a laugh or was not there spurs took the north bank multiple times and in a game they were not playing you.When you played walsal in the fa cup spurs game postponed.I know Arsenal had some decent guys ok 70s and a few years with Denton.RIP mid 80s but Spurs have far out gunned you over the years, by a mile.
Bull shit I remember we went down the North bank in w the seats were they were and they got it .and they forgot when we took liberty's at West ham we were good in the 80s
Battered you’re having a laugh I will admit early doors we had to retreat and got taken out the north bank but once the main lot got in it became a proper turn out ,fair play to arsenal for turning out for the first time
The Dixon murder was a tragic accident and as rare as it was back then is totally unacceptable. Having a punch up is one thing but there's no place for that. Look at the state of affairs today regarding knife crime. West Ham United had the best most organized firm employing innovative tactics and a real toughness in London and that's a fact and desperately trying to re write won't change the facts. I met an Arsenal hooligan last year in Borough market and was quite interested in his take on the history of all this and the current situation.
The point about Liberties the day Arsenal Had fun at Upton Park and all surrounding areas was not that West Ham weren't generally number one up and down the country it was that Arsenal on this day famously called Liberties was that we came that day to Upton Park and pulled it off coz times were a changing and you could not hold us back yes we tried in the west stand etc and didn't get that far but outside of the ground and Plaistow etc we got the result Never thought I would see it as always a tough one to go and get away on the tube from Upton Park But that day was different Destiny And I don't think we could ever achieve more than we did that day Picture it neutrals or thugs alike Old bill well and truely no where and lost And our best mob all together getting back off at Plaistow and through the back streets quickly Shushhhh EiE never thought I would ever see the day and this was in the football heyday 🤣😀
Yes, and the ICF got a good kicking at Upton Park. But the west ham mob's will never write in their book about the 60s Arsenal Skinhead firm when they got very hard slapping's, too embarrassed. Check out the Cass Pennant movie.
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682Cass wasn't about in the 60's 🤦♂️😂 he'd have been about 7 years old and stop believing what you see in movies, even West Ham fans don't take his films seriously.
@@darreno2428 I was speaking about the Johnny Hoy (Arsenal Skinhead) era in the 60s, nothing in the world West Ham could've done about it. And just to let you know, Cass Pennant was a Spurs fan in primary school and most of secondary, I don't think he ever went to watch Spurs play at WHL and away matches, but he used to watch them play on TV, it's only when Cass started hanging around West Ham fan's from erith/bexley, he became a Hammer, and used to get into punch up's with other football firm's from other club's, and that's when the ICF was founded.
Arsenal were the only team I remember from my time going to UP having a go. First time reckon about 1979 Arsenal turnt up in North Bank cafe about 100/150 of them got kicked out very quickly. Then again maybe 1985 in the west side seats same ending didn't last long in there.But fair play to them no other team tried in all the years I went.
I was in the North Bank 75 we had it right off with Arsenal it kicked off in the schoolboy enclosure Tommy Taylor smashed 2 in and we went on to win the FA Cup ⚒️
Alan Taylor in 6th round of the FA cup 1975 I remember the chant of 'West Ham commandoes' going up & the Arsenal fans in the North Bank just scattering
The North Bank at the time was the largest end in English Football and held 20,000 it became famous in the late 60's early 70's with it's skinhead culture. From the late seventies and through the 1980's most of Arsenal's firms were always located in the clock end near the away fans. Never saw any away fans in the NB late sixties except for a friendly against Rangers when all hell broke loose and never saw any away fans in clock end in the late 70's or 80's..
Yes I know there were away fans in clock end. I'm talking about being in with the Arsenal fans on the CE. There were some that went in NB pre 73 but they weren't in for long.@@anthonymitchell8893
In Colin Wards book he could never understand why the Spurs boys who went in the Arsenal NB and fought like demons never did the business at Upton Park.
Leeds United did you say ??? You weren't a threat to us, who was stopping you coming to highbury ??? A whole load of Gooner's battered you in the 1968 league cup final at wembley, a bit before my time, but you mouthy Leeds didn't want it, calm down.
Custardmike Explain for anyone who weren't there that day what happened Liberties occurred at West Ham Upton Park from early on right up to after the game...and instead of getting out of the area and thinking we had had a good day No No we got of at Plaistow and came back again to cause havoc every where Still going off on barking rd over an hour later...fun day It hardly gets mentioned online Liberties and we even had the T-shirt's printed and worn for the next game against West Ham So for all other London clubs and everyone else that's how it's done Stop your noncence about escorts And if you didn't already know about this you still don't need to know Countless other stories of the arse But this is way up there Think what else we did if we did that at Upton Park In fact no ones done that before Away from the ground after the game then 300 going back from Plaistow Guerrilla tactics Don't remember any ICF calling cards given that day Like going to the fair as a kid EiE
@@dannyregal spot on mate. Fearless mob we had out that day and as you say it was not for the faint hearted afterwards either. Any ICF will give us credit for that day as back when FV really was a thing those that know rate us. It’s just nowadays and all these little scrotes believe everything the “superfirm” from Middlesex lie about think Arsenal have no mob. Was out at Villa last weekend and on Saturday for a get together with many of the old faces.
The ICF must have had some bottle to not only dislodge the Gooners from the key sections of the North Bank, but to actually hold onto their gains and remain till the end. Cas the ICF leader certainly seems to have done an excellent job in marshalling his foot soldiers to victory that day.
Oh yes, and it was Cass Pennant that used to write letter's to our late Denton, begging and pleading for mercy to stop the herd and gooner mob dishing out brutal attack's on west ham icf, we put smoke on you ever since the John Dickinson murder, you lying pie and mash wally🤡🤡🤡
Yessss I was there in 1978 when Spurs took the North Bank I was 16-at the time & I had lost my mates & ended up right up the top with a bout 10 psychopaths , all you could hear was your surrounded your surrounded 😂😂😂
I was at the game in the north bank but didn't get involved as id been slashed across the back 2 weeks earlier by a yid down Tottenham high road. West ham took a hiding that day yes they had a real good go but were surprised We were proper up for it that day. Early to mid 80s we had one of the naughtiest fims around. Thats fact.
Remember this game very well , was in north bank to , yes ICF came in but from what i see they got battered by a group of greek lads who appeared to know they were coming , i was only a teen at the time and this was my first real taste of footy agro ,the buzz was amazing ..oh and the peanut seller , just carried on shouting ' roasted peanuts ' as all around him it was mayhem 😊
Stop talking shit
I wos there that day i wos one of the Greek guys that stood and gave to the icf cowards. Thay never run us and the only way they think they took the north bank is because they where protected by the old bill we run them before and after the game but when they killed one of us we went to Upton park there manor and we run all over the place we know the real truth we where there eie
I remember at at games the pie man always shouted "hot pies" as people were fighting around him!
I was a Gooner season ticket holder for years from mid 70s to late 90s. West Ham/ICF were ruthless but the Arsenal didn't chicken out. However, I witnessed darts, kung-fu stars, sharpened 'coins', steel balls, etc being thrown into the Gooner, but some of the stuff got thrown back. 1973 Arsenal were away to West Ham and the visiting Arsenal fans, including me and my mate, were tucked away to the right of the goal, surrounded by coppers. Sure enough after Arsenal scored the missiles came in fast and hard, there were Arsenal fans with kids and some quite old Gooners too, after Arsenal scored a second the more vulnerable Gooners slipped away, as the missiles were launched again. Half time came and more Gooners took the prudent path and buggered off home. The size of the Gooner support was reducing, and when West Ham pulled one back, a sizeable part of the Gooners escaped. With about 5 minutes left me and my mate decided to do the sensible thing and head for the tube station. Well got out of the stand and were walking towards the large gates when we heard "There they are", wishing to keep our boyish good looks, we scarpered. Through the gates we ran and hopped onto a bus that was passing as the ICF came through the gate. We were lucky to get away without a scratch. There were fights and often the innocent were hurt, but at that time football violence was out of control. Weirdly it makes fond memories of all the home and away games, whether there was fighting or not. There was a sizeable crowd from around Slough that supported different clubs but as soon as we were at Paddington waiting for the train home, we were all mates, no fighting, just talking and bragging.
👏 I like the telling of these memories ✌️
Remember that day well,never seen anything like that at Arsenal that day kicked off from both sides and middle of north bank.Arsenal gave ICF a proper battle that day.ICF where very organised and up for it,
Absolute bollox!!! I was in the northbank I was next to the fella who let the smoke bomb off!! Pushed arsenal down to the bottom even some got on the pitch and fair enough they come back up at us in the top corner avenell road side of the northbank and had a proper go and it was a proper tear up they were fuming and up for it !! Then another firm of West Ham (canning town) come in from the other side of the northbank and it went again with arsenal in the middle and getting attacked from both sides!! Arsenal were proper game that day but too many people have got terrible memories and yeah and that was the start of the skirmishes in Bethnal Green Hackney road etc !! Who remembers the beehive pub on Roman road arsenal got in there and got done by the under 5s smoke bomb thrown in the door and arsenal got done in there !! Arsenal caught us out at Plaistow one year and we come unstuck and they got in the west side Upton Park early doors (the only firm to do it ) and that was short lived for the herd !! But I will say Arsenal don’t get the credit they deserve and are right up there and on their day are a handful!! More then I can say about the yids
Coming from the undefeated 😂😂😂😂😂 Laughable pikey !
West ham overrated .
You probably started singing Arsenal songs until you got a safe escort eventually to the Clockend. As for your under 5s I still have there Burbberey scafes when they got a surprise on Drayton rd.
You sound like that idiot covert police officer that bragged about being part of Millwall in the North Bank !!!
The Heard and the main ICF put to bed there football issues and became money earners together.
Bee Hive became a pub before pre drinks for the Heard before dancing in Wisppers.
Don't forget the Herd bought GBi O's
Om the Berdittie Road as well !!!
Anyway shame what happened to that Arsenal supporter on that day , proper gentleman brawlers would never look at that day as a trophy.
You will never find a Herdsmen that has written a book or involved in any input in making a deluded film !!!
Lot's of respect for Pennant and the big man the gardener.
Police are still interested and fishing so only speak of what is known 😎
@@jacklegros6614 entitled to your opinion 👍
Everton always had good relations with Arsenal, one of their lads (can't remember his name) his brother Steve was Evertonian & him & his mate Chris went home & away
I was there. Near the Manager's dugout. Had a front row seat view of the chaos in the North Bank. Can still remember the disgust on Trevor Brooking's face when the ref was taking the players off. The worst trouble I ever saw at Highbury, it's tragic that a young man was murdered that day.
Well said No one should die following their team Cowardly murderers simple as that Never brought to justice
Few of my family ( Arsenal) were in there that day . Honest account was West Ham came running down stairs kicking and punching men kids and women like they did a lot in those days. But Arsenal were ready this time , Arsenal regrouped and went ballistic bashing up all the West Ham in the northbank , the ICF were only saved by a police cordon. That’s actually truth from that day . West Ham know it too . They never tried it again . Arsenal were at Upton Park in 83/84 season and called West Ham on and both mobs went for it . Arsenal had another pop at West Ham in 85 in the stand opposite chicken run
thats a true account you say. i watched the whole scene from start to finish in the north bank. west ham did not punch kids or women. the only people i saw were people who wanted to be involved fact. west ham fans came in from both sides in the north bank and the arsenal fans were running on the pitch and anywhere to safety.
@@garyedwards9759 it’s a true account I say I say . West Ham attacked anybody irrespective of who they were . And even non hooligans went into your ICF that day as I’m sure you know as you were there !!! I’m also sure you will admit the ICF and their followers got done that day
@@markjohn1910 i was stood in the clock end and could clearly see everything from start to finish. west ham fans certainly did not get beaten or chased out of that north bank. in fact they stayed up in the top left hand corner the whole game. yes the police had surrounded about 200 of them by now but it certainly didnt look like they were being protected. this looked a very hardcore mob that wernt going to be moved. only stating what i saw.
@@garyedwards9759 well let’s agree to disagree , I’ve heard from few people West Ham and Arsenal over the years plus from my brothers who were in northbank , granted West Ham came in to cause havoc like they did at Highbury throughout 70s. But seriously they got done that day , my problem with West Ham is they all think they’re unbeatable etc back then , but it’s not true . I myself was at Upton Park in late 83 , and saw Arsenal go for West Ham big time just as match finished in the away end , both West Ham and Arsenal fans went for it . Surely I didn’t imagine that mate ??? I was only a teen but saw thst myself
@@markjohn1910yes people see diffrent things. i was not in the icf so have no reason to lie im just stating what i saw. it was one of those games you dont forget in a hurry even tho it was over 40 years ago.
Gotta be proper saddos to think football violence is something to be proud of.
It was part of the day when going to a match in them times , just like a pie and a pint .
A lot of the time it was instigated by the local police in them times.
Holloway police station used be rivals with Tottenham police and they used to have to join forces in policing both grounds in which they used to encourage home supporter's fighting away supporter's .
The police used have banter with one another about who's firm got done on the weekend , in fact there was a crazy Arsenal police officer that was the heavy weight police boxing Champion , him and his other officer friends would give you a good slap if you didn't show up for it.
In the Clockend was a special holding pen that police used to put unruly supporter's in until the end of the game. But they could choose how many home fans and away fans could be placed in there. I remember police having bets between themselves who would win the fight they had instigated.
They basically had there own personal colosseum , you could over look it from the side of the Clockend .
Holloway police station probably still have the trophies won by that boxer who supported Arsenal in them times in the cabinet near the stairs leading to the canteen.
Sad but true !!!
It was part of the British culture at the time as well as going to the soul/funk clubs then the rave scene back end of the 80s it went hand in hand no different from the 60s mods v rockers or skinheads and teddy boys !! And even today though it was finished years ago there’s still a solid bond amongst us lads from different firms from all over London and some of the rest of the uk 🇬🇧 and its most of these lads who support our veterans on remembrance days and we’re together on marches after the terrorist acts in Manchester and London also on anti lockdown marches during when our tyrannical government tried to keep people locked up in their own homes so they can carry out their evil agendas !! So no not saddoes these people have more bollox then a lot of people who sit on their arses and do nothing but moan about it on channels like these
@@paulkillick527 lol okidoki fella
@@paulkillick527 if ever a Heards man was to write a book it would be a trilogy.
Broken family's, so called friends, fashion, music, all the girls, clubbing and day's out on a red bus rover.
One day we will be together !!!
@@originalherdsman3524 I hear you fella totally agree 👍 much respect to you and the boys ⚒️
Mindless idiotic violence that proves nothing
They all seem so proud of it too.
Why bother going to the football if you're not gonna watch the game
Denton was a legend 👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽💯and miller, Rossi we were a top firm mate .
Bristol City were on the North Bank in I976 even though there was only 50 of them they stood their ground when Paul Cheesley scored the winner .
Arsenal had a very weak presence in the 70s at highbury, Bristol City would've got slapped badly in the 60s, 80s, 90s and 2000s.
I remember getting taken out and put in the little narrow terracing bit along the side with a load more West Ham but a few were obviously still in there.
It's funny how West Ham are always depicted as the good guys in the films, while Arsenal, Millwall and Chelsea are the baddies..😄
Acutely the films mug us off
If I remember rightly, either on the day of the match or a few days before, a newspaper (I think it was The Sun) wrote an article, where an Arsenal Top Boy was
saying, "He was the Hardest fan in London". This enraged a lot of WHU fans and it caused a more than the usual, tense build up to the local Derby. We all knew
something was going to happen and by witnessing the proceedings on that day, you could tell it had also been planned in advance!
From standing in the safety of The Clock End, you could see The ICF & West Ham's main mob, making their way along the top of the North Bank, towards the middle.
Two large pockets of fans had already established themselves high-up & either side of stand. You could tell The Arsenal were apprehensive because they were aware
West Ham was in there somewhere. Just before the KO, one of the groups at the back on the left hand side let themselves be known (or they were recognised?). But
Arsenal's big mistake, was to relinquished the ground behind the goal to make their way towards the trouble!................
It was the cue to throw an orange smoke bomb into the crowd & the ensuing panic, allowed The ICF to surge forward in large numbers and attempt to 'Take the End'!
Many Arsenal fans ended up on the pitch & found it difficult to get back in. A mob that looked over a hundred strong, battled hard to establish the spot behind their goal.
In their 'End' the ICF also had reinforcements helping from the flanks. The Arsenal fans were all over the place and unorganised but did eventually surround the WH mob,
who were now mainly fighting the coppers! Many West Ham fans got onto the pitch and took the well deserved plaudits from their own fans when joining the Clock End.
A jubilant (& bruised) West Ham mob remained in The North Bank, (certainly in all the first half) & found themselves completely surrounded by the police, while the home
fans kept having a pop at them when ever they could. Even when the Arsenal eventually got the North Bank back, you could tell they were deflated after what went on before.
It was a mad memorial day and it was mayhem outside after the game but most West Ham fans was up for it when Arsenal came looking for revenge.
I was in my 20's & married but following football was my true love and it meant everything to me then. But never enough for someone to lose their life.
I watched the mayhem from the Clock End and it looked to be a good scrap. However, my Gooner friends say that they also gave the ICF a bit of a kicking in the NB. Perhaps the Gooners in the NB can let us know what they did and thought about an ICF infiltration.
Remember that game, if I'm right we lost 2-0 and the chants were Thank you very much for the North Bank Highbury, I was around 16 yrs old and in the Clock end Highbury with my mate Jim ⚒️
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“Sat down” in the North Bank?!
I remember, West Ham got in early but police just got in the middle,we came late &. had to come from the top entrance to the north bank & rushed West Ham but the police put a stop to futher violence .If was believe me ,had mates at West Ham-Balck Nat,Chelsea-One. Arm Babs,Tottenham-Brixton & dumb dumb.Seeing West Ham running away from 6-0 AFC bought tears of laughter & no one got nicked.
Another day i remember got a bit of a hiding myself that day but im old school chicken run ICF it brings back memories great post buddy makes me feel 21 again
Wasn't the date may bank holiday weekend , 1 may, 1981-82 season , because Liverpool were away to spurs Monday night, 3 may. I think the dates are wrong, everything about this channel is wrong.
I remember this game, it wasn’t about the north bank at that time clock end mate, west stand, all I was looking at that day was fat icf running up the road.
Trevor Brookings final London derby..All through the match the North Back sang "Who's the W***kers in the seats" aimed at the Hamster supporters in the West stand..they tried 2 steam the North Bank at full time but the police had already anticipated this and quickly stepped in to sqash the spanners firm..ahhhh, the good old daze..
There is a good account of this game in colin ward`s book `steaming in`.
I read the book and remember that day well.
The thing was we didn't really have the number required to do the job conclusively.
Always regarded Denton and the Gooners / herd ,as a bit of a joke which of course they were.
@@harry2bells Liberties.
@@harry2bells oi you, watch yourself🤬🤬🤬
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Or What?
I wouldn't say Dainton was a joke. He could really kick arse.@@harry2bells
In 1977 Arsenal was at home to westham, we all got in the North bank around 12:30 & a big geezer called Jennings was running the show we had running battles all through the first half & still westham couldn’t take the North Bank, the only geezer I saw getting a slapping was this African chap who had the brightest red & white scarf going he didn’t have a clue about other fans & got a few digs 😂😂👍great days
Jenkins
Can't even get the name right. 🤦♂️😂.
West Ham won 3-2 right?
@@brianorakpohit no lost 2-0 the 3-2 win was in the 85-86 season I think 🤔 we got in their west side as we had a load of tickets
Byron Jenkins and he wasn’t running nothing!! He always use to wear a red v neck jumper with the arsenal crest and had a dodgy eye 👁️
These are historical facts if facts upset you then may i suggest respectfully that you do one.
West ham talking more bubbles as well as blowing bubbles.
Behave watch the 75 quarter final . More west ham in there than you lot
Remember the East stand hammers, time has changed the reality
Think this was the game on match of the day where they briefly showed fighting at back of corner of North Bank?
What a complete load of crap. Made up story and yes I was on the NB that day, right next to where the smoke bomb went off, as a school kid.
Think a lot of gooners' were at a different game to me, some arsenal (Dentons firm mainly) were up for it more than usual and I took a few right hands but I gave out a lot more and never got done or run. I was in Nb quiet early and lots of West ham faces around, the time came the shout went up we steamed in pushed arsenal back, old bill came into us started to smack us with truncheon charges and push us back out the cover of NB, arsenal tried twice to breach old bill as they believed the were at an advantage but old bill pushed us right over left hand side and were kicking whu out to take them up the Clock end but many of us slipped the old bill along the front and back towards middle, lots of little whu firms recognisable Essex boys Maidstone, Canning town etc started to move together, some arsenal were game started to move over dont know if the arsenal or us started next thing were all throwing left and rights and arsenal moved back but to be fair they had not run, maybe regrouping because they came back at us then the smoke bomb went off right in front of the gooner's they didn't seam to know were we were and it was a turkey shoot they run out the right side and on the pitch and about 4/500 of us right up the back in the middle hole game, arsenal tried several times to get round the back of us but to no avail, was there hole game. After the game I came out was told arsenal firm had had a go but had legged it down plimsoll lane so we followed them down to Finsbury park got on train never see any arsenal, didn't know about the feller got done till I see it on the news read somewhere he had a knife but dropped it and it was picked up and used on him but I wasn't there so dont know.
Maybe you weren't on the front line and hiding in the background like a coward, you lying west yammer's, only wanna tell a story when it suit's you, when you take a beating, you can't admit it.
Watched a lot of jackonory ???
The fellas name was John Dickinson and he never had a knife!! He was with a mob of Arsenal that come down the stairs at Finsbury Park tube station as West Ham were on the platform West Ham went at them and that’s when he got chivved !!! He was from south London
@@paulkillick527 typical cowardly west ham, don't surprise me.
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682 hold on a minute !!! That’s double standards and when it suits isn’t it? Apart from the scousers an element of your firm were well renowned for slashing people so stop talking bollox!! Every firm had their people for using tools not that I agree with it !! So don’t even go there with the cowardly comments you soppy hunt !! 😂
I was there. Lyle and Scott were the Top Boys. We lost some good men that day. MOD have classified the day as Top Secret. Im not sure where these accounts have been obtained from.
82 arsenal were a top firm on par with west ham on their day not many can say that 82-88 arsenal v v good when it mattered ,can still pull a firm that tottenham never turn out for when they know whats coming,even to this day
Was there as young tean Hammer, watched it unfold from the away end...looked messy
I was in the school boy enclosure that day, remember it well. Think the game ended to 2-0
Ì was there but only a kid and have always hated westham since that day especially after we heard one of us had been murdered during probably before the game
RUclips, a place where old West Ham knobs will lead you to believe they never lost a fight, match, card game, or thumb wrestling match.
Arsenal top firm in early 80s west ham admitted it in cass film and under 5 hella said it aswell then icf took over as arsenal went into earning money
Jella not hella that was
West Ham always talk BS ! And Yes Arsenal did go to west ham and in their End.
David get ready for bed.
Mummy will be up to tu k you in.
@@harry2bells you're the one that need's nursery you oaf🤡
Yerrr I herd about that a kid from school said Arsenal got their way early & filled up their North stand & westham were going nuts but there was nothing they could do except out side 😂😂😂
Except outside 😂
Must have been on a non game day.
West Ham were the best and Number uno Not on this day Liberties EIE
Who gives a monkeys, Spurs took the Northbank ever year from 1976 to 1983.....we had thousands in there every year.
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I must have missed all this 😂
@johngooner3576 Too busy noncing was ya😂 We fuckin terrorised you and you'd av to be blind to not know that. We was from Twickenham, Hoxton and all over the gaff.
@@johngooner3576 your having a laugh or was not there spurs took the north bank multiple times and in a game they were not playing you.When you played walsal in the fa cup spurs game postponed.I know Arsenal had some decent guys ok 70s and a few years with Denton.RIP mid 80s but Spurs have far out gunned you over the years, by a mile.
😂 Hammers weren’t the only ones to do that over the years ! 😂
Worse account of that day I've ever heard. Everyone knows what really happened who was there.
Bull shit I remember we went down the North bank in w the seats were they were and they got it .and they forgot when we took liberty's at West ham we were good in the 80s
Load of cants. 😂
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Sad bastards.
Arsenal battered the ICF that day, I was only a kid but I was there. Ooh 2 Ooh 2B Ooh 2B A Gooner 👊👊👊👊
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Battered you’re having a laugh I will admit early doors we had to retreat and got taken out the north bank but once the main lot got in it became a proper turn out ,fair play to arsenal for turning out for the first time
@@propodkinsbro7224 after j.d death ,gooners took it to you proper, games, pubs and clubs, and you know it, and so did all of london
@@propodkinsbro7224harsh, no need for that statement mate
The Dixon murder was a tragic accident and as rare as it was back then is totally unacceptable.
Having a punch up is one thing but there's no place for that.
Look at the state of affairs today regarding knife crime.
West Ham United had the best most organized firm employing innovative tactics and a real toughness in London and that's a fact and desperately trying to re write won't change the facts.
I met an Arsenal hooligan last year in Borough market and was quite interested in his take on the history of all this and the current situation.
The point about Liberties the day Arsenal
Had fun at Upton Park and all surrounding areas was not that West Ham weren't generally number one up and down the country it was that Arsenal on this day famously called Liberties was that we came that day to Upton Park and pulled it off coz times were a changing and you could not hold us back yes we tried in the west stand etc and didn't get that far but outside of the ground and Plaistow etc we got the result Never thought I would see it as always a tough one to go and get away on the tube from Upton Park But that day was different Destiny And I don't think we could ever achieve more than we did that day Picture it neutrals or thugs alike Old bill well and truely no where and lost And our best mob all together getting back off at Plaistow and through the back streets quickly
Shushhhh EiE never thought I would ever see the day and this was in the football heyday 🤣😀
Did arsenal every try and take west ham at Upton park?
Yes, and the ICF got a good kicking at Upton Park. But the west ham mob's will never write in their book about the 60s Arsenal Skinhead firm when they got very hard slapping's, too embarrassed. Check out the Cass Pennant movie.
@@hooligoonerherdeie9682Cass wasn't about in the 60's 🤦♂️😂 he'd have been about 7 years old and stop believing what you see in movies, even West Ham fans don't take his films seriously.
@@darreno2428 I was speaking about the Johnny Hoy (Arsenal Skinhead) era in the 60s, nothing in the world West Ham could've done about it. And just to let you know, Cass Pennant was a Spurs fan in primary school and most of secondary, I don't think he ever went to watch Spurs play at WHL and away matches, but he used to watch them play on TV, it's only when Cass started hanging around West Ham fan's from erith/bexley, he became a Hammer, and used to get into punch up's with other football firm's from other club's, and that's when the ICF was founded.
Arsenal were the only team I remember from my time going to UP having a go. First time reckon about 1979 Arsenal turnt up in North Bank cafe about 100/150 of them got kicked out very quickly. Then again maybe 1985 in the west side seats same ending didn't last long in there.But fair play to them no other team tried in all the years I went.
Yes
I was in the North Bank 75 we had it right off with Arsenal it kicked off in the schoolboy enclosure Tommy Taylor smashed 2 in and we went on to win the FA Cup ⚒️
Alan Taylor in 6th round of the FA cup 1975
I remember the chant of 'West Ham commandoes' going up & the Arsenal fans in the North Bank just scattering
@@davemoore9901 oh yeah, in the 70s you took liberties, but you met your match with us in the 80s.
Such mindless bragging. Here, have a medal Hammers
Arsenal got well and truly done that day the arsenal account is bollocks I was there ⚒️⚒️
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No they didn't you mug. You lot were wrapped up by plod for your dear life.
Hahaha.....Jackonory !
@@PaulyRob Ask Barton ,Tiger and the Burns twins .
@@noelkinghorn4174 Don't need to ask anyone, I was in the North Bank that day. ICF got a hiding for once
The North Bank at the time was the largest end in English Football and held 20,000 it became famous in the late 60's early 70's with it's skinhead culture. From the late seventies and through the 1980's most of Arsenal's firms were always located in the clock end near the away fans. Never saw any away fans in the NB late sixties except for a friendly against Rangers when all hell broke loose and never saw any away fans in clock end in the late 70's or 80's..
forezt had thousands in the click end 6 rd fa cup 1988
ray tanner Stratford end and lip war bigger boothen end at stokes victoria ground was nearly as big as north bank
Yes I know there were away fans in clock end. I'm talking about being in with the Arsenal fans on the CE. There were some that went in NB pre 73 but they weren't in for long.@@anthonymitchell8893
Holt end bigger by far
In Colin Wards book he could never understand why the Spurs boys who went in the Arsenal NB and fought like demons never did the business at Upton Park.
Have Arsenal even got a firm?
If they have, ive never heard of them
Not now they ain't ,but proper firms back in the day no they did have a firm ,not like the mobile phone carriers of today .
'The Shandy Boys'
Have you been in a coma for the last 60 year's ???🧐
@@afcesuh6108 we still exist, but just gone undercover, and not as active as in the highbury era.
Arsenal were always well up for it when they came to Villa park in the mid to late 80's . Especially on a night game .
As common as having a burger 👌👌👌
Local WI could run the Gooners out of the North Bank LOL!
Zulu's fousands of um.
Cfc always done yu
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C FC were a bunch of mummy's boys. Loved marching across to the Shed at half time across the pitch, after Bonetti lost the World cup.
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Chelsea are fraud's.
Arsenal have never evdn had a firm or mob. Never turned up at leeds except for about 5 hundred scarfers. Complete joke.
Leeds United did you say ??? You weren't a threat to us, who was stopping you coming to highbury ??? A whole load of Gooner's battered you in the 1968 league cup final at wembley, a bit before my time, but you mouthy Leeds didn't want it, calm down.
Everyone took the North Bank
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Do me a favour afc never had a firm turned over by everyone when it was the same number's mfc haha
Was there that day on the NB and as an Arsenal man got to hand it WHU but was also there for Liberties and Arsenal took the fucking piss that day
Custardmike Explain for anyone who weren't there that day what happened Liberties occurred at West Ham Upton Park from early on right up to after the game...and instead of getting out of the area and thinking we had had a good day No No we got of at Plaistow and came back again to cause havoc every where Still going off on barking rd over an hour later...fun day It hardly gets mentioned online Liberties and we even had the T-shirt's printed and worn for the next game against West Ham So for all other London clubs and everyone else that's how it's done Stop your noncence about escorts And if you didn't already know about this you still don't need to know Countless other stories of the arse But this is way up there Think what else we did if we did that at Upton Park
In fact no ones done that before Away from the ground after the game then 300 going back from Plaistow Guerrilla tactics Don't remember any ICF calling cards given that day Like going to the fair as a kid EiE
@@dannyregal spot on mate. Fearless mob we had out that day and as you say it was not for the faint hearted afterwards either. Any ICF will give us credit for that day as back when FV really was a thing those that know rate us. It’s just nowadays and all these little scrotes believe everything the “superfirm” from Middlesex lie about think Arsenal have no mob. Was out at Villa last weekend and on Saturday for a get together with many of the old faces.
The ICF must have had some bottle to not only dislodge the Gooners from the key sections of the North Bank, but to actually hold onto their gains and remain till the end. Cas the ICF leader certainly seems to have done an excellent job in marshalling his foot soldiers to victory that day.
spurs and chelsea done it too, not just west ham
Oh yes, and it was Cass Pennant that used to write letter's to our late Denton, begging and pleading for mercy to stop the herd and gooner mob dishing out brutal attack's on west ham icf, we put smoke on you ever since the John Dickinson murder, you lying pie and mash wally🤡🤡🤡
@@henryclarke5363 certainly💯
Yessss I was there in 1978 when Spurs took the North Bank I was 16-at the time & I had lost my mates & ended up right up the top with a bout 10 psychopaths , all you could hear was your surrounded your surrounded 😂😂😂
What a load of 💩💩💩