@NeilLewis77 I've never had the opportunity to go to a game, let alone play one, but it looks pretty fun! Besides the old timey aesthetics, the major difference is that with pitchers not throwing tough pitches and fielders not wearing gloves, it's a lot easier to score runs.
@@NeilLewis77 I played a few games, but it is men playing without gloves, catching the ball of the bounce for an out, and different bats and balls. The uniforms and others dressed in character is a lot of fun to watch.
Two quirks of the initial laws: 1. the ONLY free-kick was a REWARD for handball (the fair catch). There was no provision as to what to do after a foul, other than, if a goal were scored after a foul, it should not be counted. Then the game would re-start with (probably) a goal-kick; 2. there was no provision for numbers per side, and often teams would arrange their sides based on who had turned up, plus with relative ability. Eleven per side was a rule of the first FA Cup, and some later tournaments (Birmingham Senior Cup for instance) started with a rule for 12 per side. Natural evolution had reached 11 or 12 as being the optimum number.
According to rule 7 on the plaque (10:21), a goal was scored on a shot between the posts and “under the string.” So, indeed there was a height limit for a goal.
It was also worth saying that football and rugby come from the same root. They are siblings, were very similar but separated. And how different they are now.
To admit, we have even rugby separated - union and league codes. Especially, I have to point that football could have gone in the same two codes' direction when there was a schism (in the terms of paying salaries to players) during the same time period as rugby had.
@@SormonAusPol Association got rid of the catching. Australian football dropped the offside. Gaelic rules written in the 1880s were based off the Australian rules and included some of the identical rules. Bought from the Vic goldfields or an amazing coincidence considering they were word for word
Gutta-percha is a sticky, gum-like substance from the Gutta-percha tree. Could possibly have been used for enhanced grip soles or moulded into studs of some sort?
This is before the split between the rugby-descending sports (rugby union, rugby league, and North American football) and association football was entirely complete, ruleswise. The catches, dropkicks, fair catches, and free kicks seem to still be quite entwined in this era.
The monument commemorates the 1848 Cambridge Football rules. It has nothing to do with the 1863 FA rules. The rules written on the monument are the 1856 Cambridge Rules, which were similar to the 1848 rules, which have now been lost. The video shows rule seven which says there is a string for a crossbar. The 1848/1856 Cambridge rules had an offside rule similar in principle to the modern offside rule. However, this had been abandoned by 1863. The main reason for this was that, "in the excitment of the game", it was difficult to adjudicate if a player was just onside or just offside (no VAR then). The 1863 FA rules had a very different offside rule. Ironically, the FA brought in a new offside rule similar the olf Cambridge offside rule in 1866.
The "Free kick after a fair catch" is a rule deep in the rulebook of the current NFL rulebook, which of course is itself a byproduct of association football and rugby football. In the context of an NFL game, it's different, but theoretically after a punt (which you described as being allowed to kick a ball after holding it) is fair caught, the team who fair caught the ball is allowed to make a free kick. It's very rare in the NFL but sometimes happens.
oh if that were to happen I'm sure there would be a near riot, the only reason I could think of would be like a punt with one second left and you were absolutely sure you could kick it out of bounds, either case, I see the coach having an aneurysm
I've been waiting for someone ro make that video since ever! Thank you btw, the game with these rules are still used to this day in street matches here, we play on concrete though
The coin toss would stay there until 1970, when the penalty shoot-out was introduced. They used it even in World Cup qualification matches, when after a third match was played on neutral ground there would still be a draw.
"And he blasts it miles high! That's his double hat trick. Keeper making the valid point that not even Goliath could have saved it, but his protests are overruled by the referee."
The Cambridge Rules where a strong influence on the first FA laws but quite separate. The first match played under the FA laws was between Barnes FC and Richmond FC as a test of the newly agreed laws on the 19th December 1863, a 15-a-side match ending in a goalless draw. A second test was played between The Secretary's Side and the President's Side on the 2nd January 1864 at Battersea Park. The 0-0 draw between Scotland and England you refer to as the first match under the FA laws was played on the 30th November 1872 at Hamilton Crescent, Partick.
Fantastic video Kieran. Also really liked the way you explained whilst maneuvering over the fence at 3:37 - seemed like a genuine documentary. Very professional 💪👍🤩
The rules were largely an agreed compromise between the rules of Westminster School football and the rules of Charterhouse school football with the bias to the Charterhouse rules, I believe. It then went on from there. That's the oldest continuing inter school football competition in the world. You can find the rules of Westminster school football online. It hasn't been played since standard rules were agreed. However, it was played on a space called "green" which is behind Westminster Abbey, in front of the school. The space is not massive. Probably smaller than a standard pitch. The public school origins of football are often missed out of these stories. Here also.
Here's a great idea. Try to score 352 League goals (315 in the top flight) under the OLD offside law, with dodgy linos flagging offside every attack, and with goalkeepers being allowed to handle the ball ANYWHERE in their half of the field. And when you realise that you can't, then ask yourself how is it that Steve Bloomer is still SECOND on the all time First Division/Premier League goalscorers despite retiring in 1914?
Love the vid. I always thought rugby evolved from football/soccer, but the more of these vids i see, I think they were literally the same game at one time.
Many different football codes originally existed and the creation of the FA was to create a compromise between them so teams favouring different versions could play against each other. One such code evolved at Rugby School. Groups that favoured their rules, and other similar groups that favoured full contact, originally joined the FA but soon left to set up the Rugby Union. So Rugby football, a code that developed independently, can rightly say it existed before Association football.
Any chance you can show football before these rules were put in place? Seems like it makes a lot more sense for Association Football, American Football, and Australian Football to come from the same original sport if it was as chaotic as those images made it seem.
Over years those rules were changed and updated, what I like is this ... the game of Football came from our country England, and we organized it with our governing body The Football Association in 1863. Our second governing body The Football League was set up in 1888 we still have today ... We took Football all around The World, as its The World Name for Our World Game!.
It was the combination of public schools and universities where the students had ample time to spend on recreation (they didnt have to work) plus the emergency of the steam train (so students can visit each other from different parts of the country) and the prominence of the british navy (to spread it globally).
Honestly, you’d have been the best player in 1860s England. 😂 also we should change our current “arbitrary” throwins to kick ins or those freestyle throws. Speed up the game, make it more interesting.
I also heard that players was not allowed to pass the ball forward, so moving to goal is just dribble, push and kick (something like rugby). Don't sure if that's true, maybe not everywhere game was like that
Rugby and Soccer were both governed by the FA until the 1871 rule changes. The Rugby teams didn't like the new rules, so they quit the FA and formed the Rugby Football Union. That is why the really old Rugby teams are just called "*** Football Club", and many later soccer teams are called "*** Association Football Club".
The coinflip was actually a draw of straws in the beginning, hence the equal score in football is called a draw. If you pulled the short straw out of the referees hand, you lost the draw. 😊
I hope people see this and realize there's more to modern sports than just "having better skills". If the ball was already heavy and rhe field is already difficult under normal conditions, imagine when it rained.
If memory serves, they eventually played using the Queen's Park rules (which far more resemble modern football than these ones) and the evolution came pretty quickly thereafter. Loads and loads of what we recognise in modern football came from a bunch of guys in Glasgow trying to work out ways they can make games interesting with the same 20 or 30 folk every game.
The training in 1860 was so so basic compared to the "curve strength-speed" and other training sessions we have now! We even have pre-match rituals (like using energetic gel, hydroelectrolyte tablets and VapoRub). Football were so much simple compared to now hahahahha
Did you know about any of these rules??
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I certainly did not!
Definitely not
Nah
did you know that there was no offsides for a while
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We should bring these rules in every game Endrick plays to make him feel at ease.
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2:16 bro turned into Lev Yashin
Any chance you can get 20 odd people to play a full game with these rules, pitch size etc all catered to the 1800's game?
I'd certainly imagine it's possible; here in the States we have a lot of groups that do recreations of 19th century "Base Ball"
@@kirkkerman is 19th century baseball any good?
@NeilLewis77 I've never had the opportunity to go to a game, let alone play one, but it looks pretty fun! Besides the old timey aesthetics, the major difference is that with pitchers not throwing tough pitches and fielders not wearing gloves, it's a lot easier to score runs.
@@NeilLewis77 i am sure you can find videos of it but look up the one with conan obrien it showcases the game while also being funny
@@NeilLewis77 I played a few games, but it is men playing without gloves, catching the ball of the bounce for an out, and different bats and balls. The uniforms and others dressed in character is a lot of fun to watch.
Two quirks of the initial laws:
1. the ONLY free-kick was a REWARD for handball (the fair catch). There was no provision as to what to do after a foul, other than, if a goal were scored after a foul, it should not be counted. Then the game would re-start with (probably) a goal-kick;
2. there was no provision for numbers per side, and often teams would arrange their sides based on who had turned up, plus with relative ability. Eleven per side was a rule of the first FA Cup, and some later tournaments (Birmingham Senior Cup for instance) started with a rule for 12 per side. Natural evolution had reached 11 or 12 as being the optimum number.
According to rule 7 on the plaque (10:21), a goal was scored on a shot between the posts and “under the string.” So, indeed there was a height limit for a goal.
It was also worth saying that football and rugby come from the same root. They are siblings, were very similar but separated. And how different they are now.
Exactly
And Australia rules football
To admit, we have even rugby separated - union and league codes. Especially, I have to point that football could have gone in the same two codes' direction when there was a schism (in the terms of paying salaries to players) during the same time period as rugby had.
And American football
@@louisvalentino6685not a real sport
This makes Australian Rules Football make much more sense
Yeah you can see how AFL and Galic both evolved from this.
@@SormonAusPol Australian Rules were written about 8 years earlier and are the earliest rules still played
@@MartinTilsed True but the idea of using your hands seems to have been somthing removed by Football, limited by Galic and Expanded by AFL.
@@SormonAusPol Association got rid of the catching. Australian football dropped the offside. Gaelic rules written in the 1880s were based off the Australian rules and included some of the identical rules. Bought from the Vic goldfields or an amazing coincidence considering they were word for word
The monument lists the 1848 Cambridge rules, not the 1863 FA rules.
I remember when you did this vid in like 2016 or something and I loved it thanks for making another one
When I was a kid, in the case the crossbar was missing, the rule was "you can score as high as the goalie can reach with a decent effort"
It seems the natural measure to me
Gutta-percha is a sticky, gum-like substance from the Gutta-percha tree. Could possibly have been used for enhanced grip soles or moulded into studs of some sort?
Probably because back then they used more natural stuff
Getah perca in malay
I was honestly hoping for a full on 11v11 with these rules. That would’ve been CHAOTIC. 😆
This is before the split between the rugby-descending sports (rugby union, rugby league, and North American football) and association football was entirely complete, ruleswise. The catches, dropkicks, fair catches, and free kicks seem to still be quite entwined in this era.
The monument commemorates the 1848 Cambridge Football rules. It has nothing to do with the 1863 FA rules. The rules written on the monument are the 1856 Cambridge Rules, which were similar to the 1848 rules, which have now been lost. The video shows rule seven which says there is a string for a crossbar. The 1848/1856 Cambridge rules had an offside rule similar in principle to the modern offside rule. However, this had been abandoned by 1863. The main reason for this was that, "in the excitment of the game", it was difficult to adjudicate if a player was just onside or just offside (no VAR then). The 1863 FA rules had a very different offside rule. Ironically, the FA brought in a new offside rule similar the olf Cambridge offside rule in 1866.
The "Free kick after a fair catch" is a rule deep in the rulebook of the current NFL rulebook, which of course is itself a byproduct of association football and rugby football. In the context of an NFL game, it's different, but theoretically after a punt (which you described as being allowed to kick a ball after holding it) is fair caught, the team who fair caught the ball is allowed to make a free kick. It's very rare in the NFL but sometimes happens.
oh if that were to happen I'm sure there would be a near riot, the only reason I could think of would be like a punt with one second left and you were absolutely sure you could kick it out of bounds, either case, I see the coach having an aneurysm
I've been waiting for someone ro make that video since ever! Thank you
btw, the game with these rules are still used to this day in street matches here, we play on concrete though
I'd love to see a full match of people nowadays playing footballs with 1860's rule
The coin toss would stay there until 1970, when the penalty shoot-out was introduced. They used it even in World Cup qualification matches, when after a third match was played on neutral ground there would still be a draw.
Coin toss was used in women's gold cup between Costa Rica and Puerto Rico to determine who would qualify as they drawn at everything
This was very insightful 😅Crazy how different it was back then!!
its interesting because you can see the origins of Aussie Rules and the relation to Rugby and American Football in these rules
Gealic football has a scoring over the bar rule. You get more points for scoring under the bar than over and you can pick up the ball.
Rory Delap would’ve loved those pitches / throws.
Hey Kieran, love the videos!
"And he blasts it miles high! That's his double hat trick. Keeper making the valid point that not even Goliath could have saved it, but his protests are overruled by the referee."
gutta percha could be used to reinforce boots in the 1860s and made them harder and less forgiving in tackles
The kit is low key fire
Really gives off that 1800s vibe
The Cambridge Rules where a strong influence on the first FA laws but quite separate. The first match played under the FA laws was between Barnes FC and Richmond FC as a test of the newly agreed laws on the 19th December 1863, a 15-a-side match ending in a goalless draw. A second test was played between The Secretary's Side and the President's Side on the 2nd January 1864 at Battersea Park. The 0-0 draw between Scotland and England you refer to as the first match under the FA laws was played on the 30th November 1872 at Hamilton Crescent, Partick.
Fantastic video Kieran. Also really liked the way you explained whilst maneuvering over the fence at 3:37 - seemed like a genuine documentary. Very professional 💪👍🤩
What about the Sheffield rules ??
Great vid again! Gave me flashbacks to the older vids that you did about old football rules :D
the rule about a fair catch called a mark that you can get a free kick from is interesting because its a rule in gaelic football
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Also a rule in AFL (Aussie rules). Which also has no crossbar for scoring a goal
@@chillichompa34 gaelic football has a crossbar for a goal but if you hit it over the crossbar its worth 1 point and a goal is worth 3 points
Also a rule in rugby
I SWEAR it was in Barnes, West London, the first game under FA rules
Playing a game of old fashioned football would be absolute carnage
He didn't mention that the throw in had to be at 90 degrees to the field of play. Similar to how it is done in rugby union.
This is basically how we play at school's
Never would have ever imagined I’d see a football video with a square dancing song in the background
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bro u didnt even watch it yet
The rules were largely an agreed compromise between the rules of Westminster School football and the rules of Charterhouse school football with the bias to the Charterhouse rules, I believe. It then went on from there. That's the oldest continuing inter school football competition in the world. You can find the rules of Westminster school football online. It hasn't been played since standard rules were agreed. However, it was played on a space called "green" which is behind Westminster Abbey, in front of the school. The space is not massive. Probably smaller than a standard pitch. The public school origins of football are often missed out of these stories. Here also.
Here's a great idea. Try to score 352 League goals (315 in the top flight) under the OLD offside law, with dodgy linos flagging offside every attack, and with goalkeepers being allowed to handle the ball ANYWHERE in their half of the field. And when you realise that you can't, then ask yourself how is it that Steve Bloomer is still SECOND on the all time First Division/Premier League goalscorers despite retiring in 1914?
9:14 bro really called that the first ever game of football
"Official" is important there i guess
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Very cool video! Crazy how the game changed 😂
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Love the vid. I always thought rugby evolved from football/soccer, but the more of these vids i see, I think they were literally the same game at one time.
Many different football codes originally existed and the creation of the FA was to create a compromise between them so teams favouring different versions could play against each other. One such code evolved at Rugby School. Groups that favoured their rules, and other similar groups that favoured full contact, originally joined the FA but soon left to set up the Rugby Union. So Rugby football, a code that developed independently, can rightly say it existed before Association football.
As always another banger
Any chance you can show football before these rules were put in place? Seems like it makes a lot more sense for Association Football, American Football, and Australian Football to come from the same original sport if it was as chaotic as those images made it seem.
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Great videos kieran, Keep it up!
Bring back the fair catch!
You probably should've talked about rule no.6 offside and mentioned the dispute with the Sheffield rules.
After watching this video, I need that old football outfit for next Halloween
Love the vids keep it up
17:57 So Lev Yashin didn't use gloves 😮
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Some of these rules, the goal posts and the pitch is somehow kind of like te type of game we dudes have in our schools and sometimes villages
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Love this video
disclaimer, in a place like Malaysia, there aren't many proper pitches, we mostly play in grass and mud with potholes
Bring back taking throw ins however you want!
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At 2:16 you looked like lev yashin
this is making the Rules of AFL coming about make alot of sense
the first draft of the then melbourne rules was done in 1859, 4 years before the FA's 1863 rules, 3 years after the Cambridge rules of 1856.
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Over years those rules were changed and updated, what I like is this ... the game of Football came from our country England, and we organized it with our governing body The Football Association in 1863. Our second governing body The Football League was set up in 1888 we still have today ...
We took Football all around The World, as its The World Name for Our World Game!.
It was the combination of public schools and universities where the students had ample time to spend on recreation (they didnt have to work) plus the emergency of the steam train (so students can visit each other from different parts of the country) and the prominence of the british navy (to spread it globally).
@@stunistus No via The Empire and people migration
This has some similarities to Gaelic football. Crazy 😅
First rules of _Association Football._ There were other English football rules before the FA's.
Honestly, you’d have been the best player in 1860s England. 😂
also we should change our current “arbitrary” throwins to kick ins or those freestyle throws. Speed up the game, make it more interesting.
flipping a coin to decide a match is diabolical
Flipping a coin to win a game was actually something that was a rule for a long long time, even in 1970 it was still on
It seems almost like ultimate frisbee back then
Football association was created in 1863
And the rugby football union was created in 1871
Crazy to think the 2 sports are so closely related
I also heard that players was not allowed to pass the ball forward, so moving to goal is just dribble, push and kick (something like rugby). Don't sure if that's true, maybe not everywhere game was like that
Rugby and Soccer were both governed by the FA until the 1871 rule changes. The Rugby teams didn't like the new rules, so they quit the FA and formed the Rugby Football Union. That is why the really old Rugby teams are just called "*** Football Club", and many later soccer teams are called "*** Association Football Club".
True, you could only pass to a teammate backwards
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Nice video
Tyrone Mings still plays by these rules regarding the handling of the ball and dropping it.
The coinflip was actually a draw of straws in the beginning, hence the equal score in football is called a draw. If you pulled the short straw out of the referees hand, you lost the draw. 😊
Gutter persha would have been used to make the boots harder. I guess they were protecting the delicate ankles and shins of 1860's Messi types.
interesting about catching the ball....similar to gaelic football then, although in gaelic football you can bounce the ball once while running
Can really understand how all the spinoff games started.
great football knowledge... if all true, thanx for the vid
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I hope people see this and realize there's more to modern sports than just "having better skills".
If the ball was already heavy and rhe field is already difficult under normal conditions, imagine when it rained.
2 mins ago but I just clicked on the notifications
Training session is just a Sunday league session haha
No way was this filmed at Enville? My sons Sunday team plays there
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Great video but England Scotland was the first international not the first game and they had tape cross bars by then
If memory serves, they eventually played using the Queen's Park rules (which far more resemble modern football than these ones) and the evolution came pretty quickly thereafter. Loads and loads of what we recognise in modern football came from a bunch of guys in Glasgow trying to work out ways they can make games interesting with the same 20 or 30 folk every game.
All ways a good day when I post a vid
Your last good day was 14 years ago?
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The training in 1860 was so so basic compared to the "curve strength-speed" and other training sessions we have now! We even have pre-match rituals (like using energetic gel, hydroelectrolyte tablets and VapoRub).
Football were so much simple compared to now hahahahha
Boots seem a fucking nightmare, also the vid thumbnail dude hahahahahaha
9:25 AFL?
the way that you made the video black and white
Having no goalkeeper totally makes sense if every player was allowed to just catch the ball
Serious question: Where can you purchase the old time football, boots and shorts?
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