What if Mr Puzzles was the dude who fell into the God Box? The Box Club leader guy? He wanted unlimited power, and he's now able to control everything he wants for his pleasure. Also, his design is similar to Mr Puzzles, maybe the God changed his appearance?
it wasn’t, but here is what would be my past thought of this comment: no it’s most likely not going to be that as the description of Revelations arc it said that it’s the last arc on the cosmology lore of smg4 and the last time god box, smg0 and all them stuff will be a part of lore in smg4
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, there are still many unanswered questions concerning the Cosmology Lore, and it would be cool to see them be addressed. Additionally, there seem to be some connections and similarities between Mr. Puzzles and the God Box. However, on the other hand, the focus on entertainment throughout the Puzzlevision storyline doesn’t seem to align with what we know about the God Box. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what comes out of it.
I think the God Box similarities are meant to be red herrings. We've had tons of red herrings in previous arcs (i.e. Axol initially thought to be the one who kidnapped Meggy, Niles being SMG0 himself, etc), so perhaps they're trying to trick us into thinking he's related to the God Box
Thank you for finally pointing this out and debunking it. I do believe however Mr puzzles could bring back the god box, Niles, and zero but as illusions just like how he did with desti and Axol.
That does make sense. Perhaps the God Box allusions that come with Mr Puzzles are more along the lines of red herrings. I mean, we've had tons of Red herrings in the previous arcs (Axol being thought to be the one who kidnapped Meggy, Niles being Zero himself, Tari being possessed, etc). You know, that thing you said raises a terrifying thought. How did he know about Axol and Desti's deaths? Has he been watching the crew's every adventures?
@@benbarnett5743 he must have. It also goes with a theory that I saw on a separate comment is that Mr puzzles was always involved in these previous arcs
@@jockson7574 I agree with that. He was probably the one who gave Francis that large island and factory. I mean, how on earth did Francis even get an island and machine in just one week? That's logically impossible to achieve in one week unless someone gave it to him. I have even taken note of how Wren's machine looks similar to the one Francis used. I think Mr Puzzles even posed as the God Box and the one who corrupted Niles. Essentially, he was involved in making Niles evil by pretending to be the God Box and is not related to the God Box at all. I think the biggest one is the lawsuit arc. I mean, this arc had little buildup and it just felt so anticlimatic with Lawyer Kong barely getting any comeuppance. If Nintendo knew about SMG4, then why did it take 11 years for them to respond?
@@jockson7574 What if he also did the infamous Last Man on Earth thing? He probably knows how the crew are stronger as a team and is probably trying to weaken their teamwork so they're more vulnerable
I have a wild theory that I know will not happen but its just a theory. Theory: Mr. Puzzles isnt a TV being and is a human and that human is SMG4 in the future and hes trying to make SMG4 even better since in the future SMG4’s entertainment starts dieing so he thinks going back in time and giving SMG4 better entertainment will save his channel in the future.
@@minipz9thebastfiiter509wait this theory might be true and also it because smg4 is going to be declining now and also I think that tv guy or puzzlevisons is not pure evil and also he maybe a little b it pure evil but j think he broken aka I can’t blame him but the classic smg4 is not perfect and also it bad writing as well aka cringe videos and also except most but still and also somehow it time for a new era of smg4
Theory 1: Mr. Puzzles is the god box from another universe Theory 2: Mr. Puzzles is some sort of embodiment of the God box in another universe Theory 3: Mr. Puzzles was his universe's Niles and forced someone to merge with him to make him
The only way I would actually want the god box to return is for Mr puzzles to be talking to a cast member or something while going through past important items like the RUclips remote, the demonic keyboard, the usbs, stuff like that but not actually caring about them and he just looks at the god box and Is like “no that’s not it” while still talking casually to like tari or something idk I just think that would be kinda funny
Well it COULD be that Box Cult Leader, he’s got very similar eyes, and Mr Puzzles’s grin looks like part of the pattern on the God Box. After all, he DID want unlimited power…
Theory: Mr puzzles wasn’t created by the godbox (or is the godbox for that matter) but was rather created by the door from the t mobile video think about it the keyboard he sold to smg4 in the igpb movie contacted the eldritch goop in it which upon appearing for the first time after the keyboard started possessing smg4 took on the form of a shadowy entity that looked similar to the shadowy entity in the t mobile video that tried to kill Mario after escaping from the door (that it was presumably created by or was trapped in) and given the fact that mr puzzles(like niles) has eldritch powers this could imply that the door(from the t mobile video) not only possibly created him but is also possibly the one who gave him his powers in a similar way to how the god box created Niles and gave him his powers and though I honestly doubt that the door from the t-mobile video has anything to do with the god box in some way i do consider the door itself in a way to be similar to the god box with the door itself being a sentient being that not only contains eldritch horrors in it but is also found in space like the god box meaning that while the 2 aren’t the same they are similar in some aspects which makes me believe that just like the god box the door from the t mobile also exists somehow in the great beyond with it being some sort of “broken” door that Luke has
Even though Mr. Puzzles is not the God Box incarnated, there’s no wrong possibility that he might created and sold the God Box to Luke Lerdwichagul, which caused the creation of Niles and him becoming a universe destroying monstrosity, which in turn destroyed SMG1 and SMG2's universe in the process.
That was kind of makes sense because he wants to make good shows Chloe created the god box so it could wishes to a person and like what's the drama could happen and he makes his show
I didn't think about that theory and I don't really believe it, but that could be interesting. I mean Mr. Puzzles is a "Picture box". But of course yeah no I don't think that's true and I prefer the idea of him being his own thing. But they could be tied simply in the way that they're both meta entities as you said yourself (but not the same one) that exist in the Great Beyond.
@@Okeana_Aster I get what your saying, but sometimes I think keeping your villains a complete mystery makes that much more scary. Judge Doom and Heath Ledger's Joker prove that you don't need to give a villain an origin story to make them scary.
After watching this video, I am beginning to think that Mr Puzzles isn't the God Box. All the connections and allusions are red herrings. I mean, we've had tons of red herrings in previous storylines such as Axol being the big bad of the anime arc or Niles being Zero instead of a separate character.
Nothing really of note here but notice how this all kind of started around the release of princess peach showtime in which that was about a theater and a whole bunch of genres
Honestly, the only similarities between mr puzzles and the god box is that whenever mr puzzles is tweaking out, he has a wide grinning smile that looks oddly similar to that of the god box other than that i got nothing 🤷♂️
I agree with NØ Null Mr. Puzzles was never the god box we don't know his story yet we don't know where he come from Yes ik he a tv but we need more lore of Mr. Puzzles
No, because the great beyond/real life or luke in real life are not strictly elements of the cosmology lore like the God Box or USBs, as for example they appear in the Lawsuit Arc and get slightly expanded upon. Plus these elements existed before the cosmology lore in the 'mario in real life' videos.
@@No_Null True but I was Thinking about smg4 from the mushroom kingdom. or fake smg4/avatar smg4? ether way you said that smg4 was done making cosmology lore but you forget fake/avatar smg4 and/or smg3 is technically cosmolgy lore and the are both entities of another plane of existence both designed to protect memes from going bad. so by saying mr puzzles is another program doesn't that mean that he is technically cosmolgy by saying he is designed to make content.
mr puzzle is like smg4 as they both interact with the watcher unlike other characters. and smg4 is a outworldly being as before in the lawsuit arc he only dies when real smg4 deletes the channel so i think mr puzzles like that
(THIS IS A JOKE) What if Mr. Puzzles is the tv that Luke played super smash bros brawl on and discovered glitches on which lead to the creation of SMG4 the RUclips channel
ik its late but i just watched the uhh i think the wotfi 2023 and at the end when we see mr.Puzzles i think or im just crazy but under the tv is smt that look Really like the godbox or the symbole
@@thegriffithwolf7071 You're not wrong. Mr Puzzles definitely has a bit of Satanic archetype traits. He likes to pose as a charismatic individual offering to help people as a way to hide his sinister motives. Both seek to bring out the worst in people by temptation (Mr Puzzles's actions give me tons of snake in the garden vibes). His design colors also invoke it too as he is shown to wear mostly white which invokes the sense that he's a fallen angel. Befitting Lucifer's schtick of "Light is Not Good"
@benbarnett5743 If that's the case, then hopefully, they can figure out a way to get out of the world, from which Tari and Clench will be able to help out with that with the power of meta runner once again. Mr. Puzzles might be the most dangerous villain they've ever faced, or at least one of those villains such as Eldritch SMG0 (Niles)
While I’m not saying you’re wrong, I want to point out that SMG4, Melony and the others *NEVER* told the others about SMG0 being innocent to the others and it still annoys me that they decided to let the others continue to wrongly hate him. He sacrificed himself for them and they didn’t bother to ever so much as thank him for it.
i have another theory mr puzzles maybe a original person before he got turned to himself in the facility or mr puzzles wanted to conquer smg4 universe or mr puzzles is an assassin to take out smg4 and everyone smg4 knows or mr puzzles is lost smg4 crew or mr puzzles is mutated tv or mr puzzles wanted to make everything perfect or maybe mr puzzles wanted to conquer the multiverse which is smg4 universe is also his target OR Mr puzzles targets smg4 crew and take them to simulation of his entertainment to other people in other universe watch
The control panel Puzzles has at the end of WOTFI 23 looks like a fire alarm panel because I go to establishments and see fire alarms in person.
4:36 I can confirm that this device is just for looks as the model says it is actually a fire alarm control
What if Mr Puzzles was the dude who fell into the God Box? The Box Club leader guy? He wanted unlimited power, and he's now able to control everything he wants for his pleasure. Also, his design is similar to Mr Puzzles, maybe the God changed his appearance?
I doubt it but that would be cool
It’s improbable, but not impossible.
He blew up while absorbing energy
This is correctors could be true this Fury like think about you are right
it wasn’t, but here is what would be my past thought of this comment: no it’s most likely not going to be that as the description of Revelations arc it said that it’s the last arc on the cosmology lore of smg4 and the last time god box, smg0 and all them stuff will be a part of lore in smg4
This is the 2nd time I expected to be clickbaited/mislead today, but yet again I was wrong.
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, there are still many unanswered questions concerning the Cosmology Lore, and it would be cool to see them be addressed. Additionally, there seem to be some connections and similarities between Mr. Puzzles and the God Box. However, on the other hand, the focus on entertainment throughout the Puzzlevision storyline doesn’t seem to align with what we know about the God Box. I guess we’ll have to wait and see what comes out of it.
I think the God Box similarities are meant to be red herrings. We've had tons of red herrings in previous arcs (i.e. Axol initially thought to be the one who kidnapped Meggy, Niles being SMG0 himself, etc), so perhaps they're trying to trick us into thinking he's related to the God Box
Thank you for finally pointing this out and debunking it. I do believe however Mr puzzles could bring back the god box, Niles, and zero but as illusions just like how he did with desti and Axol.
That does make sense. Perhaps the God Box allusions that come with Mr Puzzles are more along the lines of red herrings. I mean, we've had tons of Red herrings in the previous arcs (Axol being thought to be the one who kidnapped Meggy, Niles being Zero himself, Tari being possessed, etc).
You know, that thing you said raises a terrifying thought. How did he know about Axol and Desti's deaths? Has he been watching the crew's every adventures?
@@benbarnett5743 he must have. It also goes with a theory that I saw on a separate comment is that Mr puzzles was always involved in these previous arcs
@@jockson7574 I agree with that. He was probably the one who gave Francis that large island and factory. I mean, how on earth did Francis even get an island and machine in just one week? That's logically impossible to achieve in one week unless someone gave it to him. I have even taken note of how Wren's machine looks similar to the one Francis used.
I think Mr Puzzles even posed as the God Box and the one who corrupted Niles. Essentially, he was involved in making Niles evil by pretending to be the God Box and is not related to the God Box at all.
I think the biggest one is the lawsuit arc. I mean, this arc had little buildup and it just felt so anticlimatic with Lawyer Kong barely getting any comeuppance. If Nintendo knew about SMG4, then why did it take 11 years for them to respond?
@@jockson7574 What if he also did the infamous Last Man on Earth thing? He probably knows how the crew are stronger as a team and is probably trying to weaken their teamwork so they're more vulnerable
@@jockson7574 I think Mr Puzzles is sort of a satanic archetype if you think about it
no null my goat posts again no other smg4 lore channel even comes close 🙏
I have a wild theory that I know will not happen but its just a theory.
Theory: Mr. Puzzles isnt a TV being and is a human and that human is SMG4 in the future and hes trying to make SMG4 even better since in the future SMG4’s entertainment starts dieing so he thinks going back in time and giving SMG4 better entertainment will save his channel in the future.
and that human was a fan of the classic smg4 before all that ocs and lore arcs!
@@minipz9thebastfiiter509wait this theory might be true and also it because smg4 is going to be declining now and also I think that tv guy or puzzlevisons is not pure evil and also he maybe a little b it pure evil but j think he broken aka I can’t blame him but the classic smg4 is not perfect and also it bad writing as well aka cringe videos and also except most but still and also somehow it time for a new era of smg4
@@minipz9thebastfiiter509 oh that ok or just a April fools joke no offense that I offended you for that
“ITS TV TI-“
“We all know you’re the god box?”
“Nuh uh”
Theory 1: Mr. Puzzles is the god box from another universe
Theory 2: Mr. Puzzles is some sort of embodiment of the God box in another universe
Theory 3: Mr. Puzzles was his universe's Niles and forced someone to merge with him to make him
The First 2 theorys are the exact same
I kinda want the TV guy to stay as sort of a “diabolus ex nihilo” because giving an origin story would make him less scarier
this A Hat In Time update is crazy :O
How did I Predict that theory a. year ago 4:05
why mr. puzzle looks like he`s the tv cop cousin
The only way I would actually want the god box to return is for Mr puzzles to be talking to a cast member or something while going through past important items like the RUclips remote, the demonic keyboard, the usbs, stuff like that but not actually caring about them and he just looks at the god box and Is like “no that’s not it” while still talking casually to like tari or something idk I just think that would be kinda funny
and maybe mr puzzles watched smg4 since the beginning!
Well it COULD be that Box Cult Leader, he’s got very similar eyes, and Mr Puzzles’s grin looks like part of the pattern on the God Box.
After all, he DID want unlimited power…
I do see your points and honestly Mr Puzzles works more as his own villain
3:29 they dare take my Professor Layton theory and turn it into an SMG4 theory?😤
Theory: Mr puzzles wasn’t created by the godbox (or is the godbox for that matter) but was rather created by the door from the t mobile video think about it the keyboard he sold to smg4 in the igpb movie contacted the eldritch goop in it which upon appearing for the first time after the keyboard started possessing smg4 took on the form of a shadowy entity that looked similar to the shadowy entity in the t mobile video that tried to kill Mario after escaping from the door (that it was presumably created by or was trapped in) and given the fact that mr puzzles(like niles) has eldritch powers this could imply that the door(from the t mobile video) not only possibly created him but is also possibly the one who gave him his powers in a similar way to how the god box created Niles and gave him his powers and though I honestly doubt that the door from the t-mobile video has anything to do with the god box in some way i do consider the door itself in a way to be similar to the god box with the door itself being a sentient being that not only contains eldritch horrors in it but is also found in space like the god box meaning that while the 2 aren’t the same they are similar in some aspects which makes me believe that just like the god box the door from the t mobile also exists somehow in the great beyond with it being some sort of “broken” door that Luke has
Guys have y'all seen the new post on SMG4's community tab
Mr puzzle is like caine
Even though Mr. Puzzles is not the God Box incarnated, there’s no wrong possibility that he might created and sold the God Box to Luke Lerdwichagul, which caused the creation of Niles and him becoming a universe destroying monstrosity, which in turn destroyed SMG1 and SMG2's universe in the process.
What if Mr puzzles created the god box
he is the god box look at hes smile and look at the box
The crooked smile with the TV color bars and the lower half of the God Box' hatch? Ikr. It's not just "vaguely ressembling", it's near on-point.
Quite based of you to give an acrual theory in april fools
That was kind of makes sense because he wants to make good shows Chloe created the god box so it could wishes to a person and like what's the drama could happen and he makes his show
Tbh if we want more SMG stuff we’ll have to wait for SMG2 to get a new va, stupid drama…
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I didn't think about that theory and I don't really believe it, but that could be interesting. I mean Mr. Puzzles is a "Picture box". But of course yeah no I don't think that's true and I prefer the idea of him being his own thing.
But they could be tied simply in the way that they're both meta entities as you said yourself (but not the same one) that exist in the Great Beyond.
Yeah, maybe I would kinda prefer Mr Puzzles to not have any revealed origin as a way to make him that much scarier
@@benbarnett5743 I mean it would still be nice to know more about him.
@@Okeana_Aster I get what your saying, but sometimes I think keeping your villains a complete mystery makes that much more scary. Judge Doom and Heath Ledger's Joker prove that you don't need to give a villain an origin story to make them scary.
After watching this video, I am beginning to think that Mr Puzzles isn't the God Box. All the connections and allusions are red herrings. I mean, we've had tons of red herrings in previous storylines such as Axol being the big bad of the anime arc or Niles being Zero instead of a separate character.
@@benbarnett5743 I didn't say reveal everything. But still reveal some stuff about him. Like his motive.
Nothing really of note here but notice how this all kind of started around the release of princess peach showtime in which that was about a theater and a whole bunch of genres
What if the remote MR.Puzzles uses in the video "Once Upon An SMG4" is Susan's remote.
But he found it after she left and hе changed it how it looks.
Wasn’t there a god box symbol on his keyboard at the end of wotfi 2023?
What are you talking about
Although it might have just been a regular plus with a circle in the middle
@@Getnaenaed-MMM It's probably just a random symbol that is just meant to be a red herring
Bruh the cosmology lore is there by meggy being a trainer helping people train every now and then
The next video will be a parody of scooby doo
Wait…. The god box has shapes in the form of a smile like Mr. Puzzles mouth…
Yeah you right
Coincidence.
I've been thinking that like forever I lost my wifi but I have the wifi now
@@GoldenStarBun what I don’t get it
Honestly, the only similarities between mr puzzles and the god box is that whenever mr puzzles is tweaking out, he has a wide grinning smile that looks oddly similar to that of the god box
other than that i got nothing 🤷♂️
Interesting: But have you considered counting their fingers?😇
maybe puzzlevision used to be a fan back when smg4 was a mario parody!
I agree with NØ Null Mr. Puzzles was never the god box we don't know his story yet we don't know where he come from
Yes ik he a tv but we need more lore of Mr. Puzzles
Perhaps the God Box allusions are maybe red herrings
Of course he's not a box who thinks that he's the leader he's literally a TV not a box
wait wouldn't saying smg4 not adding anymore cosmolgy lore debunk your previs video What is Mr. Puzzles? - SMG4 Theory
No, because the great beyond/real life or luke in real life are not strictly elements of the cosmology lore like the God Box or USBs, as for example they appear in the Lawsuit Arc and get slightly expanded upon. Plus these elements existed before the cosmology lore in the 'mario in real life' videos.
@@No_Null True but I was Thinking about smg4 from the mushroom kingdom. or fake smg4/avatar smg4? ether way you said that smg4 was done making cosmology lore but you forget fake/avatar smg4 and/or smg3 is technically cosmolgy lore and the are both entities of another plane of existence both designed to protect memes from going bad.
so by saying mr puzzles is another program doesn't that mean that he is technically cosmolgy by saying he is designed to make content.
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mr puzzle is like smg4 as they both interact with the watcher unlike other characters.
and smg4 is a outworldly being as before in the lawsuit arc he only dies when real smg4 deletes the channel so i think mr puzzles like that
Part of me thought it was the opposite
I Guess I Want To Know About The God Box.
Have you seen the previous arcs of SMG4?
@@itsjonesnet I Think Yes
@@SMG0763 Ok, then you should check out the Revelations Arc or the SMG4 Wiki. If you want to know about the God Box
he is a guy with a tv as a head and alot of hope that he hits 5 stars idk how
Edit: i just realised this was uploaded before puzzlevision arc ended
(THIS IS A JOKE) What if Mr. Puzzles is the tv that Luke played super smash bros brawl on and discovered glitches on which lead to the creation of SMG4 the RUclips channel
I hope Mr puzzles comes back soon 😢
ik its late but i just watched the uhh i think the wotfi 2023 and at the end when we see mr.Puzzles i think or im just crazy but under the tv is smt that look Really like the godbox or the symbole
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I think Mr Puzzles might be a demonic overlord from hell who wants to create chaos as his entertainment.
I mean, his character does give off tons of satanic archetype vibes with his whole "Deal with the Devil" schtick
So you're saying Mr Puzzles is essentially the SMG4 version of Satan?
@@benbarnett5743 pretty much
@@thegriffithwolf7071 You're not wrong. Mr Puzzles definitely has a bit of Satanic archetype traits. He likes to pose as a charismatic individual offering to help people as a way to hide his sinister motives. Both seek to bring out the worst in people by temptation (Mr Puzzles's actions give me tons of snake in the garden vibes).
His design colors also invoke it too as he is shown to wear mostly white which invokes the sense that he's a fallen angel. Befitting Lucifer's schtick of "Light is Not Good"
@benbarnett5743 If that's the case, then hopefully, they can figure out a way to get out of the world, from which Tari and Clench will be able to help out with that with the power of meta runner once again.
Mr. Puzzles might be the most dangerous villain they've ever faced, or at least one of those villains such as Eldritch SMG0 (Niles)
I wonder who created the god box?🤔
It was just a cardboard box that Luke put his broken hard drives within.
Luke
Or it was an all powerful being we know nothing about@@SaiyanPride123
NUH UH, ITS APRIL FOOLS, IT IS
Mr puzzle's mouth is like the box 😗
Maybe?
OBVIOUSLY puzzles is mr. monitor, pfft these fools am i rite
Actually a true fan would know that Mr puzzles is actually the box club leader pff obviously 🙄
He died exploding when he went into that weird red juice that was inside of the god box
@@frenchmapping8178 I know I’m joking
Ye I know
nah i'm pretty sure he's actually pete the mexican skeleton
Ik. Hes woody
While I’m not saying you’re wrong, I want to point out that SMG4, Melony and the others *NEVER* told the others about SMG0 being innocent to the others and it still annoys me that they decided to let the others continue to wrongly hate him.
He sacrificed himself for them and they didn’t bother to ever so much as thank him for it.
I mean, the problem is, would anyone really believe her? Like, you expect them to believe that Niles was real?
@@benbarnett5743 SMG4, SMG3 and Mario learned the truth from SMG0. They could’ve vouched for what she was saying.
Serious for once
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i have another theory
mr puzzles maybe a original person before he got turned to himself in the facility or
mr puzzles wanted to conquer smg4 universe or
mr puzzles is an assassin to take out smg4 and everyone smg4 knows or
mr puzzles is lost smg4 crew or
mr puzzles is mutated tv or
mr puzzles wanted to make everything perfect or maybe
mr puzzles wanted to conquer the multiverse which is smg4 universe is also his target OR
Mr puzzles targets smg4 crew and take them to simulation of his entertainment to other people in other universe watch
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