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  • @ycombinator
    @ycombinator Год назад +29

    What are signs of conformity or non-conformity you've noticed in tech and startups?

    • @businesswithGodwin
      @businesswithGodwin Год назад +9

      @@billprin Man this is deep!

    • @newmankramer1903
      @newmankramer1903 Год назад +4

      @@billprin Nailed it. Now all of sudden they pretending they've been conformists all along.

    • @co563
      @co563 Год назад +15

      This is what kills me about YC and other investors or incubators. They want an endless stream of Stanford/MIT innovators willing to give up a bunch of equity for the $0.5M or whatever it is, but then they also want people who manage to be the best conformists (top school, top everything) and simultaneously excellent non-conformists (build unicorns at the same time)

    • @dre9110
      @dre9110 Год назад +6

      Seeing the following on LinkedIn is a sign of conformity: (#1) Wanting to hire consultants or a startup studio (#2) Desperately wanting to raise money without a path to an MVP or profitability (#3) Big emphasis on a specific pedigree for founders or first hires (e.g., what school "Stanford", prior work experience, etc.) and usually these types are so status obsessed that they tend to conform (#4) Bloated salesforces' as a result of not combining the BDR/SDR/AE function into one role (there is no need for all of those roles)

    • @dre9110
      @dre9110 Год назад +2

      @@billprin Very true. I support.

  • @derek-yap
    @derek-yap Год назад +239

    Next home for non-conformists is to build companies without any investors.

  • @zb2747
    @zb2747 Год назад +21

    The “where is home” section hit home for me (no pun intended). Anytime I speak with a fellow engineer working at company x or someone on Reddit they only got into this field for the money, and really have no desire to solve problems and create change.
    Idk maybe I haven’t put myself out there enough but that’s been my experience so far

  • @CharlesWeill
    @CharlesWeill Год назад +15

    My favorite take is the satirical blog post about a conformist investment banker watching his non-conformist younger brother choose to read Paul Graham and start his own startup instead of following the *traditional path to riches* that is banking. The post is titled "The Book of Graham : The Leveraged Sell-Out".

    • @wdai03
      @wdai03 Год назад +2

      I just read it, I can't tell if it's actually satiracal though, I mean aside from the whole kneeling and mantra reading thing. Objectively speaking Graham really is getting startup founders to take significant risk so he can do a 2 and 20 type thing with risk reduction through diversification.

  • @jamesoloughlin
    @jamesoloughlin Год назад +13

    Remember “You can’t be a non-conformist if you don’t drink coffee” -South Park

  • @iacchoiai39
    @iacchoiai39 Год назад +11

    The irony is conformity now is to drop out of Standford and apply to YC to raise lot of M

  • @thefocuschic3234
    @thefocuschic3234 Год назад +18

    The other thing with being a non-conformist is that is increasingly less risky than being a conformist. Maybe in the past it was the opposite, but the times have changed.
    Thank you for the video.

    • @mrbinspire
      @mrbinspire Год назад

      I agree. Why do you think it’s less risky and therefore more advantageous to b non-conformist today?

  • @fabioramos7261
    @fabioramos7261 9 месяцев назад

    Love you so much guys!! Thanks for everything ❤❤❤

  • @pabloklestorny5481
    @pabloklestorny5481 Год назад +4

    So f*** true and honest, that sometimes this awesome sessions between Michael and Dalton, are not taken seriously into consideration by founders. Free launches usually doesn't exist, but this people are giving away huge value for free. Thanks!

  • @trouaconti7812
    @trouaconti7812 Год назад +14

    I could see a new fad coming where everybody calls themselves non conformists, same way everybody in SV call themselves cool

    • @aaronevans7713
      @aaronevans7713 Год назад +1

      Welcome to the 1990s

    • @quAdxify
      @quAdxify 3 месяца назад

      Well, it is not that easy to fake being an awkward nerd because it comes with so many downsides that it's really not worth faking. It is more a sort of if life gives you lemons you may as well make lemonade.

  • @hbdfg
    @hbdfg Год назад +4

    This is super interesting coming from an incubator that mostly funds ivy league graduates. As one of the commenters said below, YC has contributed greatly to a culture of conformity in the people they choose to fund.

  • @BenjaminKing1
    @BenjaminKing1 Год назад +1

    This really sums up a lot of my feelings. As a PM now I finally feel like my 'title' matches what I love doing, and there are so many people who go after the title and don't actually like doing the work because it is popular... I think it boils down to the people who care about what others think (status/vanity metrics) vs going after what makes them happy (making/doing/learning)

  • @natarajanshanker5103
    @natarajanshanker5103 8 месяцев назад

    Just love love love these talks!

  • @Sonu-nb8sh
    @Sonu-nb8sh Год назад

    I fully support the point about having the confidence that you will be able to meet any challenge in the future. The best way to grow is to believe in yourself!

  • @cory99998
    @cory99998 Год назад

    Loved this talk, definitely is fuel for the fire!

  • @RoadmapMBA
    @RoadmapMBA Год назад

    Awesome video!

  • @PhuongNguyen-bb9fw
    @PhuongNguyen-bb9fw Год назад

    So brutally honest, true and deeply well-said.

  • @rajchaudhary2795
    @rajchaudhary2795 Год назад +3

    Y combinator again as usual 😌💗💗💗

  • @treistab
    @treistab Год назад

    Great discussion

  • @rahulgoel6457
    @rahulgoel6457 Год назад +7

    A super interesting read - "Four Quadrants of Conformism" by Paul Graham

    • @auntiecarol
      @auntiecarol Год назад

      One might expect a LISPer to be non-conformist.

  • @chapterme
    @chapterme Год назад +24

    Chapters (Powered by ChapterMe) -
    00:00 - Conformist vs Non-Conformist in Tech
    00:29 - Mainstream Startups
    01:30 - Dark Ages of Tech and Startups
    02:48 - School Mindset
    04:29 - Waiting In Line
    05:28 - Weirdos
    06:47 - Investors - Highest Status Job
    09:41 - Non-Conformist - Where Is Home?
    10:37 - Positive Signals
    11:43 - Learning & Growing
    12:54 - Confidence
    15:21 - Grand Takeaways
    17:35 - Outro

    • @VibhavBobde
      @VibhavBobde Год назад +4

      Trying to get YC funding chapterme ?

    • @0xmassive526
      @0xmassive526 Год назад +1

      @@VibhavBobde lol, leave em alone

    • @VibhavBobde
      @VibhavBobde Год назад +2

      @@0xmassive526 I mean, it is a pretty good strategy tbh

    • @0xmassive526
      @0xmassive526 Год назад +1

      @@VibhavBobde aint gonna argue with that 😅

    • @chapterme
      @chapterme Год назад +3

      @@VibhavBobde YC is one of our customers. Check out this video's description to see our chapters.

  • @pantarai_flow
    @pantarai_flow Год назад

    Very interesting video, thanks for sharing and thanks for acknowledging the issue, or let's call it the phenomenon. Yes, it has happened to tech and responsibilities can be shared by many (successful entrepreneurs hiring in a certain way, investors, YC etc). But I guess the reality is much simpler: wherever money goes, more and more people flow. And by definition, if we assume that the majority of humans tend to conform, money will attract a higher number of comformists. That's just the way it goes.

  • @yafiwala
    @yafiwala Год назад

    Michael & Dalton ❣

  • @aaronevans7713
    @aaronevans7713 Год назад +2

    My favorite quote from them about nonconformists is
    I’m gonna try way harder…
    Noncormists are willing …
    They want to be above the peer group, not in the peer group
    Conformists want to be in the pack with everybody…
    In other words:
    A nonconformist wants to the be best sheep, the leader of the sheep, the pinnacle of conformism.

  • @toofy7253
    @toofy7253 Год назад

    Preach on!

  • @vlogmoinc5597
    @vlogmoinc5597 Год назад

    My bois coming late with the videos but they're coming

  • @Withlindaandrews
    @Withlindaandrews Год назад +1

    Love this! I’ve always felt like a contrarian. Sometimes a curse. My sights are on revolutionizing gas stations.

    • @Withlindaandrews
      @Withlindaandrews Год назад

      I had a few sketchy experiences at gas stations.

    • @freesk8
      @freesk8 Год назад

      @@Withlindaandrews Wow, interesting! Are you talking about making it possible to buy gas while staying in your locked car? What a great idea! I'm a big guy, and tend not to be afraid of pumping gas at night. But I'll bet this is a huge concern for over half of the people pumping gas! Interesting technical problem. In the State of Oregon, there is a longstanding tradition of having attendants there to pump gas.

  • @willmedrano98
    @willmedrano98 Год назад +1

    Hey... amazing content and all, but can we get someone to fix Dalton's mic at some point?

  • @OntologyofValue
    @OntologyofValue Год назад +6

    Great point on the conformity in the Silicon Valley! I believe that to some extent, pop culture is responsible for this phenomenon. Ever since public figures such as Zuck or Elon have become worshipped superstars, the young fresh startupers try to copy their business strategy and behavior.
    Plus, there is this general belief in taking advantage of "the next big thing" as an early incomer. Everyone jumps on the blockchain, then web3, then chatbots - whenever is on the media at the moment.
    But interestingly, even in the Silicon Valley, brand new trends emerge. For instance, in the last 2-3 years - and especially since the recent massive layoffs in tech - the thinking about solopreneurship has changed and it is no longer stigmatized as it used to be in the past. Thousands of people go solo and start their own (online) ventures, not even planning for seeking investors anymore.

    • @MrMajani
      @MrMajani Год назад

      Also now Big Tech employment has become a guaranteed path to riches. If you get employed at a billion dollar tech company, if you get poached a few times within that ecosystem, you're almost guaranteed to become a millionaire within 10-20 years of working

  • @UlternixRecordsYoutube-ss4bd
    @UlternixRecordsYoutube-ss4bd Год назад +4

    The world of non-conformists owes it to the early YC days where it less looked like an automated CI/CD pipeline for startups.
    An urgent reminder to YC and its people on the selection process: "Is your selection process able to pick non-conformists or not at all?"

  • @rudhisundar
    @rudhisundar Год назад +2

    This is Michael Siebel with Dalton Caldwell , today we will laugh out louder and shame all of you founders!! Ha ha!! Ha ha Ha!!!

  • @ergo4422
    @ergo4422 Год назад

    so good

  • @co563
    @co563 Год назад +4

    Naturally people will want to have some kind of ROI from their hard work. If someone builds a startup, then they can’t get funding because investors don’t like it, the company will have a harder time scaling
    The secret of SV and the financial aspect is out and people who are smart and risk averse want a piece. Thankfully, they are very easy to identify: ex-consulting, ex-banking, MBA, big tech but without side projects. This class gets recruited heavily for VC, then those VCs favor the founders who reflect them
    It’s all circular. The next “secret” is something else that’s currently uncool

    • @quentin2578
      @quentin2578 10 месяцев назад

      Couldn’t have said it better.

  • @real1muzik
    @real1muzik Год назад

    This same thing happened in music. Back in the day musicians wanted to make music and did make music for the love of it. With the introduction of protools M-Box the home studio was born. Making music with new technology, hardware and software made it completely possible to self produce your own music from home or anywhere. Committing to booking studio time (with costs) was a financial commitment that filtered out probably 90% of the new existing at-home recording artists. Quality dropped because every person recording isn't and engineer, mixer, or producer, but access was the driving factor, not quality. Money is to be made in music so people jump in and take a try at it, similar to influencers and content creatures. People chase money, and technology gives access. Startups are less of a mystery now. Everybody has a general idea of how companies can make money now, it's more of a formula that I think brings in the Conformists this video is about.

  • @johnstalkernet
    @johnstalkernet Год назад +2

    Confidence 👍 Arrogance 👎 - The difference is simply admitting you know some things and not all things.

  • @WikiPeoples
    @WikiPeoples Год назад +2

    2:38 ... That's the problem in tech. I can't seem to hire anyone that is actually INTERESTED in tech. Its all a bunch of boot campers who just want to make tech money. Some of them can hack it, but the majority are frankly terrible. I can't fault anyone for wanting to better their life, but its remarkable to me how many people are going into it just for the money and clearly cannot code to save their life.

  • @dannystill5558
    @dannystill5558 Год назад +2

    Tech startups have crossed the chasm. ❤

  • @theniii
    @theniii Год назад +3

    I wish i could go back, now CS majors are filled with money seeking conformists.

  • @whitebat1996
    @whitebat1996 Год назад

    Goodluck to y'all founders, keep grinding hard, it'll all be worth it!

  • @criptouni
    @criptouni Год назад

    Honestly... the main difference with the new tech kids is just lack of true in-depth interest on things. "Almost" nobody wants to 'hack' stuff anymore like they used to back in the day.

  • @allenleexyz
    @allenleexyz Год назад

    Remember this founders: You are the hero, not the VCs

  • @exerscreen2525
    @exerscreen2525 Год назад +3

    Ha, not much has changed. There were about 4 of us in my first CS class who seemed to actually like computers. Everyone else had heard that CS would get you a high-paying job or something, not that there is anything wrong with that. This was 1982.

    • @jrdougan
      @jrdougan Год назад +2

      Preach it brother/sister. How many people total were in your CS class? CS classes (at least around my area around 1985) were relatively small back than. 4 out of 8 isn't so bad. 4 out of 200 is very bad. I think about half my classes in the non-introductory courses were interested in computing. I think that the problem got noticeably worse in the mid-90s with the first Web boom. I generally use 1987, the last year there were the Joint Conferences, as the year it started getting big enough that no one knows anyone else.

    • @exerscreen2525
      @exerscreen2525 Год назад

      @@jrdougan I would say about 75-100, but there were also a fair number of math majors, physics, etc. And somewhat ironically, I guess, I was actually a business major at the time who happened to have the microcomputing disease. Thanks Apple! The class was mostly was Fortran-77. Checked that one off the list, and never looked back. I hope!

    • @jrdougan
      @jrdougan Год назад

      @@exerscreen2525 Ahhh. Yeah, in an introductory course for non-CS majors I can see it being very low. Do you have any sense how it was in the CS majors?

    • @exerscreen2525
      @exerscreen2525 Год назад

      @@jrdougan Well, there was no actual CS degree at the time since the IEEE had only recently defined it. I ended up switching to it my junior year. But I will say that once you made it to Compiler II, pretty much everyone in the room liked computers. heh. I remember being very confused by classmates wanting to copy my code in that Fortran class. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't want to write it themselves. Bonus War Story: Also that instructor was completely scatterbrained and lost all of my homework. I only had enough storage on the mainframe to store one assignment at a time so I had to redo all of it finals week. I learned how to steal storage PDQ after that.

  • @matthewmolinar
    @matthewmolinar Год назад

    I think in a few more years it might become un-cool again, due to a number of factors like anti-trust/politics, bubble pops, and declining processing power

  • @newmankramer1903
    @newmankramer1903 Год назад +1

    It's hard to find online community for non-conformists. Let's start startup non-conformist and contrarian subreddit or discord server. Like and comment if interested.

  • @MHTHINK
    @MHTHINK Год назад +3

    I'm just at about half way. I suspect with all the fluff courses coding has become a way for people to prove they can think technically. Sadly they're not all going to build the world, but I think the trend of studying coding is a net positive. I favour most trends towards more people testing themselves and learning in domains with real-world feedback. No maybes with buggy code.

    • @MHTHINK
      @MHTHINK Год назад +1

      If of any value, I've come to observe as a clinical psychologist that the majority of people, aka the definition of neurotypical people, do not naturally display innovation and tend not to require or really seek avenues for creativity beyond practical necessity, status or other extrinsic alignments with mimicking creation (which will occasionally result in accidental discoveries). People with this nature look for their place in the world as it currently stands and hope they end up in a good one. It's a much more agreeable state than the type of person who is naturally inclined toward fixing, improving, building or otherwise creating something with the hope of bringing the world slightly nicer for themselves and others. Conformity is blending in and becoming one with your environment, but other people have to make it better in part for them. They will make do as best they can.

  • @waxcomb
    @waxcomb Год назад

    We used to call you guys computer geeks, now you're tech billionaires and I'm some guy on RUclips in the comments section

  • @AnnatarTheMaia
    @AnnatarTheMaia Год назад +1

    Unless it were my own startup, I'd rather drop dead than work at one not because I'm a conformist (I often get dinged because I'm unyielding), but because of their chaotic, non-structured, hacker mentality. I'm an engineer, not a hacker. I hate hacking things together with a burning passion of one trillion Suns. So you two gentlemen hadn't even considered that aspect; it didn't even occur to you, but it is there because it exists.

  • @satvikmoj4887
    @satvikmoj4887 Год назад +2

    conformity is relative, I would not say joining an early stage startup is necessarily as "non-conformist" as it may have been for you guys. Maybe your definition of "non-conformist" is more conforming than you think!

  • @CroissantCreates
    @CroissantCreates Год назад

    Watch out S23 batch, I’m coming, and I’m bringing non-conformity back 😁

  • @TochStyle
    @TochStyle 10 месяцев назад

    very interesting... yes tech has gotten cooler lol

  • @MrDeshaunWilkins
    @MrDeshaunWilkins Год назад +1

    YC has become high status
    To their credit not their fault
    Makes the non-conformists seek different

  • @henlojseam
    @henlojseam Год назад +2

    Is applying to YC conformist or non-conformist?

    • @alexanderschlechter4099
      @alexanderschlechter4099 Год назад

      Not when it helps your vision become reality.

    • @tmaxon8
      @tmaxon8 11 месяцев назад +1

      It's 100% conformist. Joining YC is not weird anymore. It's the goal.

  • @ryan-millsap
    @ryan-millsap Год назад

    If you are a non-conformist today you should join a land defense or ecodefense struggle

  • @MrMajani
    @MrMajani Год назад

    It was inevitable with the mainstreaming of the phone and the internet. To be fair, back in the 2000s, we used to pray for times like these. The conformist invasion is just a small trade-off IMO

  • @Danny-mt5os
    @Danny-mt5os Год назад

    All conformists agree with all your points

  • @jpaulmeyer
    @jpaulmeyer Год назад

    PLAY STUPID GAMES WIN STUPID PRIZES

  • @masterz1848
    @masterz1848 Год назад +2

    Hi, I am from India, I try a lot, very hard to find a set of non-confirmists as you call it, who kind of relate with me, like a feeling of freedom to build anything.....but, that is not what I speak among these people are, its CAC, SAAS, PAAS, B2B, B2B2C, D2C, B2C and some or the other way....to kind of take away the freedom and make your sole purpose to convince an investor.....and I am also not able to explain my startup in the words they would like to....only this category called non-confirmists are the ones I feel comfortable talking to, can someone sitting somewhere create an enclosed, you know kind of a limited community for non-confirmists to feel home....to feel community....to feel freedom....instead of creating made up stories convincing investors..

    • @testing-vj2ke
      @testing-vj2ke Год назад

      There are no non conformists in India, that environment is toxic to creativity and illegibility. The qualities you seek manifest themselves in individuals, not in groups. If you wish to be creative, you must learn to be alone. The more creative, the more alone.

  • @great567
    @great567 Год назад

    Conformity is inevtable because of automation tools like AI.

  • @InFocus_app
    @InFocus_app Год назад

    Non-conformism is uncomfortable :)

  • @pokegan52
    @pokegan52 Год назад

    This video just made me realize how much of a non conformist I am lmao

  • @alexanderschlechter4099
    @alexanderschlechter4099 Год назад

    Anybody watching this, is a conformist. ^^

  • @NotRogan
    @NotRogan Год назад

    I thought these guys were like 24

  • @MathiasEngineer
    @MathiasEngineer Год назад

    conformist = NPC

  • @webdeveloperninja9220
    @webdeveloperninja9220 Год назад

    saas is not cool now

  • @saucyrossy3698
    @saucyrossy3698 9 месяцев назад +1

    Waaaaaiiiit the hyper liberal echo chamber is super conformist??? What? Noooooo obviously not - calling a man a woman isnt conformity, its enlightenment.

  • @CrucialFlowResearch
    @CrucialFlowResearch Год назад

    These VC companies mainly employ diversity hires instead of real tech nerds. Non comformists think this diversity hiring thing is cringe and staying far away from that trainwreck