5 Reasons the Sony a9 III is a Better Choice than the Nikon Z8
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Follow up: 20 reasons Z8 is better
The z8 is a much better body than the Sony
Z8 much better image quality than the Sony
You predicted it
Nikon has much better colors than Sony.
@@PhilippeCyr-te3cu Not really.
This comments section is something else. He didn't insult anyone personally. It'll be ok.
Best April Fools joke so far! Almost had me.
..... you know there is a video with the opposite title they made that has half the views of this that could use your fanboying.....
@@yusei151 us Nikon fanboys are strong. Look at the views on that one now.
Anyone who dismisses the a9III probably didn't use it to its full potential. I've been shooting with it for around 3 months now, and the biggest advantage of it is to shoot RAW files with pre-capture. Instead of spraying and praying just in case something interesting happens, I now shoot at least less than half the photos compared to my a1 and still have more keepers than my a1. Don't get me wrong, since I shoot mainly dance performances, the AF capability of any modern stacked sensor camera other than the XH2s would be sufficient, however, the a9III is the only camera that allows me to shoot with proper pre-capture. The Z8 and Z9 only shoot JPGs, the R6II isn't a stacked sensor and has a visible rolling shutter if the dancer has fast and exaggerated dance moves, and the OM-1's autofocus would slow down to a crawl if you enable pro-capture. The Z8 also has an asymmetrical card slot, so you will be paying for the CFE-B card price while limited to UHS-II speed if you shoot redundant. I wish the Z8 could feature a "clear buffer first, backup when idle" setting in the future.
The Z8 is an all-purpose camera and is probably the better choice for most enthusiasts, just like the D850 back in the day. But unlike the Z8 which is basically the mini-Z9, the a9III is a unique and irreplaceable camera, it offers new possibilities that other cameras can't offer, and I have a 3-month worth of photos to prove it.
Olympus cameras have had that feature for like 8 years
@@xaositectz it's not the same. My girlfriend has the OM1. When pro capture is enabled, continuous autofocus takes a big hit. It only works if the subject is moving perpendicular directions to the photographer.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 It's the exact same feature, except the sony obviously has better AF and image quality. but the exact same type of shooting is possible.
@@xaositectz Neither the Canon nor the Sony's autofocus would take such a big hit like the Olympus when you enable this feature. My girlfriend doesn't use pro capture for this exact reason.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 these systems have better autofocus than olympus yes. it still doesn't make it a new feature however.
The Sony A9 III is a great camera with a very specific use case. The Z8 is a great all rounder that does pretty much everything very well. It is also considerably cheaper.
I'm a photographer of helicopters and ceiling fans and this is the camera I've been waiting for. No more curved fan blades! Yay!
😂😂
Buy the Nikon instead, will be the better overall option
I'm thinking about expanding my skills too and enter the world of ceiling fan photography. Damn thanks for your post. I had a long day and I just needed to bust a gut. 😂
Is the Nikon Z8 half the price of the Sony A9 III?
The Sony A9 III is currently $5,998.00 on B&H and the Nikon Z8 is $3,696.95. So for me the is one reason the Z8 is better.
@@rickmower1136If you need want an A9 can do, then only an A9 can do it. It's just that most don't.
If you shot for the Olympics and needed that burst rate in 14-bit continuous RAW or you needed unparalleled HSS, then nothing touches the A9III.
I don't think most video makers will care about it being GS to actually purchase this over a much more practical camera like the FX3 or A7SIII (especially if they already own one or both), but certainly the combination of features of the A9III will take a long time for another competitor to match the feature set of. And this is to say nothing of best in class AF or the highly developed lens system that Nikon doesn't currently have for Z mount.
Certainly most "normal" users would also likely rather have the A7RV which is similar in cost to the Z8 vs the A9III, again, unless they fit into those niches that need that kind of speed and performance.
Yes
Gosh there’s a lot of angry people in the comments. Gee, it’s not like he’s criticising Leica.
No one is angry, but the video is kinda pointless in comparing apples to oranges. The A9 is a great camera but it has it's weaknesses, especially for video it's not as one sided as it's for photography.
As a Sony/ Nikon shooter, I've found Nikon to be one of the more toxic userbases, really only eclipsed by Fuji.
@@boundaryscience Probably because everyone's tired of being picked on, mostly online. But people continuously make fun of Nikon shooters and that one Canon guy made a song about it. There's so much tolerance one can have.
I don't think anyone would have cared if they were not in the underdog position they are in.
@@AbhinavYadav-zm7ut Homie, I've shot Sony professionally since 2013. You wanna talk about getting picked on, try bringing an a7 to a pro shoot in the 5DIII days. I got called a child (I was 32) by a guy with a D800 working for one of our agencies, and that i should buy a real camera if i want to be taken seriously. Still, during that the Sony message boards were just kinda excited to have a cool new camera. I think Nikon's in a great position to make some gains and I tell everybody to keep an eye on them, but the Nikon community gives me serious pause.
@@AbhinavYadav-zm7ut I am a Nikon digital guy use only Canon film cameras. I always laugh at those that make fun of us Nikon shooters, why I know more pros use Nikon over the others as they are very user friendly and they don't rush tech to the market like Sony loves to do. I have been doing photography since I was about 8. since I moved fully to digital in 2012 Nikon has been my preferred brand. Still use my little D60 and get amazing shots. I am not brand miopic like most people and I use Canon and Olympus as well. One of the only ones I avoid is Sony. Main reason the ergonomics suck on them for me not a comfortable camera to hold for hours on end.
I think most casual photographers don't get the reason for the A9. The A9 is meant to be super niche, it also serves as a technological demonstration of Sony's capabilities, and it will lead the way for the future of Sony's more affordable cameras. So it really doesn't need to compare with anything and Sony doesn't need to be a volume seller.
This video is somewhat of a callback to old and crazy times 😊
have to agree the A9III is the better camera for a lot of situations, ( if price was not a factor) such as the global shutter great for filmmakers, the Z8 has quite a bit of rolling shutter. The A9 evf is sharper, the LCD flips in more directions. But the Z8 scores big points on having RAW video and 8k.
The sales rep at the BH Photo in NYC told me that the A9III is just not selling. Most buyers of the Sony system are opting for the A1 still. I went with the Nikon Z8. IMO a much better sports shooter.
It's never a good idea to trust a salesman.. They might have a merit to sell you something off so that they can clear their inventory.
@@rnrnrkrk994 yes. translation - not much stock for a9iii , but still plenty of A1 stock to clear.
The Z8 has banding issues in led low light. The A9iii base iso is 250. The perfect camera still doesn’t exist.
Not sonys lenses are better, you HAVE to use Sony lenses or they artificially cap you in terms of fps and what you can achieve with the global shutter.
All Sony E-mount lenses can be adapted to Nikon Z8.
Nikon tele lenses are black.
Z8 shoots 8K, raw video and prores raw without an external recorder.
Bang for buck as compared to Sony A1 or A9III.
Z8 uses CFExpress type B cards which are generally faster and cheaper especially when you factor in 1 or 2TB cards.
Lol adapting e lenses to z8
Better tele lenses ??????????? Kai 🤦♂️
Also not only can you adapt all Nikon lenses. You can adapt all Sony lenses.
On Z8 rolling shutter is visible to that degree at 60 and 120fps stills. But you don’t see it at 20 or 30fps. I think because the higher frame rates are just video grabs. The A9iii having global shutter won’t have rolling shutter at 60 and 120fps like you demonstrated.
"Don't like it don't buy it then"
"Go away"
"Unsubscribe"
Lok cracked me up there
As someone who generally isn't a fan of Sony cameras, this is a pretty exciting camera to see and I can't wait for other brands to catch up. Really looking forward to global shutter to come down to the 1-2k priced cameras.
Errr... regarding reason 2, Nikon has more, and more interesting, tele options available. The 100-400, 180-600, 400/2.8 and 600/4 all have Sony equivalents. But the 400/4.5, 600/6.3 and 800/6.3 do not. Plus, the 400/2.8 and 600/4 have built-in TCs. And then there is the new 28-400 as well.
If you add in third party options, things do change of course (as long as you don't count adapted lenses anyway). But if you stay with name-brand lenses, Nikon is the winner.
Just add in adapted lenses, as you have all the AF-S Nikon lenses via the FTZ (plus the non AF-S lenses if you manual focus), plus you can adapt Sony glass if you really want to,
Sony has first-party 24mm f/1.4, 14mm f/1.8, 35mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.4, 12-24mm f/4, 12-24mm f/2.8, 100mm STF. In my opinion, having a good first-party 35mm f/1.4 (and also an incredible third-party Sigma 35mm f/1.2) is more important than having a 600mm f/6.3 option when there's a 180-600mm zoom and a 400mm f/4.5 when there's a 100-400mm zoom.
@@praetorian65 Sony can adapt Nikon AF/AF-D lenses with autofocus with LA-FE2, and Nikon Z cameras cannot. LA-FE1 is more compact than LA-FE2, and can adapt most AF-S lenses without problem, even those third-party options such as the Tamron 24-70mm f/2.8 A007 which doesn't work with FTZ at all.
Nikon can use Sony lenses with the megadap adapters too
Nikon does actually have their own line of cinema cameras now. They just bought Red recently.
For gods sake stop moaning about these two guys they are an institution and have been for years. Also listen to what they are saying in the following Nikon video they are trying to give you a light hearted comparison that’s all. Both cameras are probably way out of most people’s reach anyway, but instead enjoy the new technology that is coming along and never mind about the manufacturers name. At the end of the day it’s just about all the new technology and features which is a good thing.
Was great to see again a bit of the fun that was always there in your good old Digital Rev TV years
Did I miss something or was it:
1. Global shutter
2. Lenses
3. Lenses again
4. ????
5. Battery life
And honestly, lenses should not even be on this list. System comes way before cameras. If Sony does not have the lens you want to shoot ... all their other lenses won't fix that.
So that leaves us with the global shutter (which is a huge milestone, don't get me wrong) and batteries (... not a biggie tbh).
That's two. .... Not five.
@3:09 EVF resolution was 1 of the 5.
@@DixonLu Well the ones I took as part of the list were actually numbered, like at 1:50, 3:34, 4:00 and 8:37. If you have a timestamp for number 4 let me know.
evf resolution, global shutter, battery life, lenses, high speed sync (#4 was battery life)
@@kashworldproductionsBatterylife is labeled #5 in the video at 8:37 and it is the third entry in your post. .... coffee? xD
This must be an April
Fools joke….
In what way would Nikon not easily win when it comes to fast action lenses? They have by far the best and widest variety of tele glass.
Maybe for tele lenses, but Sony wins hugely in pretty much every other range. They have simply just been making mirrorless lenses for longer than Nikon.
Edit: tbf, other than the 70-200 lenses, Nikon is probably on par if not slightly better than Sony in the tele range.
How's the Nikon even close when Sony is doing 120fps with full af and no flickering/ rolling shutter
@@Yayadays111 Uhm, I don't think lenses do that. And 1armbiker was talking specifically about glass.
I mean unless you something really special both have nearly everything you need and also 3rd party manufactures exist
@@Withalenius Nikon makes better standard lenses too.
I'd take the Nikon even if they were the same price.... That's coming from someone that is currently using Sony albeit the 7Riii which I'm fine with and love. Nikon is killing it with their great glass selection imo. Colors just look so great sooc as well. I'd probably jump ship if it had a mechanical shutter. Z7iii maybe and I'm there
This honestly seems like an advertisement by Sony. Kai has been very neutral in the past but this seems like how not only the A9 but Sony as an ecosystem is way better than Nikon. In some areas Sony is indeed better, but of course it will be when you can get almost 2 Z8s in price of 1 A9.
Seems like clickbaity Nikon titles get a lot of traction. But the comparison doesn't make sense. It's like someone compared an A7IV against a Z8 and then being like 5 reasons it's a better choice.
I wanted to switch to Nikon, the z8, for fast read-out and 4k120p in high MP camera, but I just can't. Lens choices (especially affordable lenses) and weight keep me away. So I'd say the comment about the ecosystem is on point. It may not apply to your case, maybe you don't have backpain like me, or you rock just one lens, but his point is still valid
@@RiccardoGabarriniKazeatari I agree with your point, but as a Nikon shooter kinda tired of Nikon trashing videos. Nikon is doing much better than Canon in this regard when it comes to third party options, and they are getting better (see recent Tamron releases). If this was a video titled the best camera for fast action with ecosystem considerations then yeah A9 wins hands down. But this is a comparison video which compares apples and oranges. Kai has not done this kind of video in the past so it feels like either it's paid for by Sony or it's clickbait.
If they had given a use-case driven analysis like you did I would have agreed too.
@@RiccardoGabarriniKazeatari My main bodies are a Sony a7rIV and a Nikon Zf and I use them both professionally. I don't own a single Nikon lens, not do I plan on purchasing any (too heavy/ no aperture ring). The Megadap works extremely well. Also, it throws the "Sony has better lenses" argument somewhat under the bus.
@@boundaryscienceYou may change your mind once you try the S series primes. I like my friend’s GM lenses but the f1.8 match the quality, don’t focus Breathe, and the colors are very nice.
Comparing Sony to Nikon is like comparing Walmart to your local Five and Dime. Sony deserves props for jumping on (and basically creating) the mirrorless bandwagon, but I'm Team Nikon. They just need to refute a recent photo award winner of a contest they sponsor.
What are you talking about, 24mp is for sports low light. Z8 is a 45mp camera
The a9iii only works it's best only with Sony lenses, with any other lenses it's shutter speed slows and it's crippled. The Z8 works it's best with all lenses, including even adapted Canon lenses.
The details no one shares. :)
Sony should finally implement a Panasonic style "Lever Lock"
So how much did Sony pay for this ad?
Impressive watching you guys struggle to find a practical use for the 120 fps 6 grand global shutter....As if all of those Nikon pros out there have been struggling with their images!
And talking about how many more lenses one manufacture has over another is kind of like two countries arguing over who has the most nuclear missiles: it becomes irrelevant at a point.
The Nikon will do what ever you need, the Sony will too.. And so will a Canon, Fuji, Olympus....you get the point.
I understand it's your job to push what ever you are paid to, thus, we get videos like this one. But to suggest our photography is lacking because of modern camera design is simply absurd.
Having shot for more years than you can imagine, I can assure you that pro's are not freaking out over rolling shutter. And we just carry extra batteries. And yes, the screens are bright enough to see.
So please, give us more than a Sony cheerleading session. That new camera is not selling well just like $12,000 bikes are not either. The tech gains are useless to most, we do what we do just fine without them.
And please, for humanities sake...can all you RUclipsrs just stop saying "game changer" for every little thing that comes out? Please?
I did buy a Z8 and LOVED it in every way apart from the fussy AF. Changing the AF method constantly was very frustrating. It would also miss focus from time to time, saying it had the eye but was off. So I sold it and got an A1, a Camera I have no love for but it gets the job done and I use the same focusing method for 95% of my shooting. The lack of a 35 and 85 f1.4 also was a down side to Nikon. If I won the lottery I would buy another z8 in a heart beat for personal use. For work I am sticking with Sony, for now.
What focusing method do you use on your A1?
I am surprised by the fact that even if a blogger is given the most expensive camera, the photographs are still terrible.
If you depend on cutting-edge equipment with the latest specifications, perhaps you are not a photographer but a technology enthusiast. There, i said it!
Greetings from Brazil!
Clickbait, intended to be viewed as a humorous satire, or just plain bought & paid for advertisement? I just can't tell. It's one of these three, anyway :)
Not one of the better videos. Apart from disproving the hype around the global shutter since rolling shutter is still very evident, there was none of the fun from the old DRTV days.
*Kai and Lok raises reasonable points in a video while having fun*
All the Nikon users in the comments here: ERMERGERD I HATE KAI AND LOK! (Pours toxic waste into the comments.)
*Kai releases an opposite video the next day*
Nikon Fanboys in the comments: Totally not biased at all. Good video.
I've used Nikon since 1985, but Sony make excellent gear and drive technology advances that benefits us all I still wouldn't use a Canon if you paid me though!
Any problem with Canon personally
I am sure the next video will be 5 reason z8 is better than the Sony
At least my ceiling fan pictures will not have rolling shutter effect, always needed a camera to eliminate bent ceiling fan effects.. Such a game changes, it blows everything out of the water, it completely destroy Fuji and it destroyed every picture that any other camera has ever taken or will take in the future, if fact, it is now used in hospitals for life support.. the frame rate is so fast it captures the subject before the subject exist, how did we survive the past without the A9iii ?
Still worth it in July 2024?
It's double the price but only '1' better - a Z8 vs a9 - so just '1' better. Not really value for money is it - for double the price it should be an 'a16'.
So much stone island and we weren’t in a premier league ground. And no fights.
This does not compute Kai.
Get the badge in
apart from the $3K price the A9iii isn’t even selling as well as the A7siii and again half the price. Kai tell me you’re not shilling for Sony now!?
Most 2500 cameras will sell more then there 6500 counterpart
Man is playing Left 4 Dead
I would do anything not to shoot Sony. The images generally just disgust me.
Nikon is getting its place back as I see. Should I get a Nikon z8 or Sony FX3 after my beloved Panasonic S1? :)
And you guys coming from the same place and have such different accents, how come?
Am stuck too between the two options
Hello Kai, Some what of a different price points one at £3000+ and one at £6000+
cant you just attach any sony lens on a z8 whereas you cant put any z-lens on the sony?
Hey man, where did ya get your stone island jacket from?
3:35 better offering..tele lenses That's bullocks Kai, Nikon clearly has the better offerings for teles.
3:52 some lenses are in their...3rd generation? Which Sony lenses are in their 3rd gen??
Overall, very sloppy review/comparison. Do better.
"Sony has the better offering of longer tele lenses" - really though Kai, really???
I think this was by far the most non-sensical (dare I say dumbest?) statement I have seen come from you ever.
Honestly people think Nikon shooters are triggered, but he made so many incorrect blanket statements I had to comment this time. This coming from Kai who has been neutral and balanced, this video seems like it's from someone who is a Sony fanboy, didn't do their research and came out with a bunch of dumb statements.
Well you can use the global shutter on the Red Komodo and new Red Code stills
Best panning test I've ever seen. 🤣🤣🤣
Sony A9iii with two set of Dual 160gb CF express type card will cost-$6000+(per card) $268x4
Total cost=$7072
Similar setup with Nikon z8 with 128gb Type B card-$3700+$200(Cfe+Sd)=$3900.
A difference of $3100 will buy you a z 70-200 f/2.8 and z 24-70f4.
Don't get Sony's CFE-A then. I've been using the CFE-A card from TOPSSD and they cost around US$68 for a 120GB card. If you shoot redundant, they'll write at around
@@shang-hsienyang1284 Really. $80 type B card is 1300mbps
@@avinashrai11141 It is 1300MB/s only if you shoot to a single card and not redundant. CFE-B cards are more reliable, but they are not immune to failures.
@@shang-hsienyang1284 Instead of accepting the fact that Sony uses non standard card system which costs more than twice with half the storage and half the speed and even if cost isnt problem for you, storage size will be. There is no type A card bigger than 512 gb.
Arguing against fact is called stupidity.
Fact is type A card fastest read/write speed is ~800Mbps for type B it is ~1800Mbps.
Using Sony pro body will be a few thousand USD expensive than other system only because of storage system. For the same amount you can buy a really high quality glass.
I’m not Sony hater, I just hate when any company makes stupid decision like that. Having Same sony body with type B cards will make them much more practical.
@@avinashrai11141 That's because you only compare Sony CFE-A cards vs. other brands. Angelbird for example makes 1TB CFE-A cards for US$500. Pergear makes 520GB cards for US$360.
Only the Z9 would enjoy 1800MB/s. Cameras like the Z8, GFX100II, and R3 would be limited by the slower card, therefore only 300MB/s. If camera companies could figure out how to make the cameras clear buffer first, backup to slower card later, then that's another story, and your arguments would have been valid.
Having two symmetrical card slots is way better than having the CFE-B + UHS-II abomination.
still that cold in UK😢
Good evening Kai!
Cost almost twice as much for only five reasons? It's all about videos and not about photos but the truth is most photographers are using the camera for photos! Videos this day uses to much data then to much storage space to expensive overall and yeah more expensive memory card collection then over heating problems if shooting too much! And how about Sony updating firmware? Oh, have to sign up monthly for update and maybe will be released one, one day! 😁
I'm curious about the shutter life of sony a9iii...
It doesn't have a mechanical shutter. It's digital.
3:02 Noise reduced RAW, not true RAW.
So satisfying clicking on big whole like button numbers.. yeah I don't get out much.
he looks like Mueller
Sony is better for video, I can't deny. But I went with the Z8 for photos because the Sony display is a mess, and changing settings on the fly is clunky as heck.
Sony is not better in any way. Where is sonys 8k60 in raw?
They are different peice points
The Sony is twice the price… it’s like comparing apples & oranges…. Nowt up with Nikon Z glass though…. Just another Nikon bashing video
Are apples twice the price of oranges?
120FPS??? Good luck going through that lot to find the sharpest image etc!!!!!!
Can we have a quick break from all these tech videos. Seriously, we are getting tired. Any creative and actual photography videos?
Then Sony wouldn’t be paying him 😅
@@18yearsoldnot😮😂
This is a photography gear review channel...what were you expecting?
Just rewatch DigitalRev
When you have a million subs, you need to look up the retail price of the $6000 camera body in your hand on the phone in your other hand.
Sony paid you? 😂
Nah, it's 1st April 😂
I know 10 reasons why Nikon is better than Sony
I would chose the z8 over a9 any day
Toser! Are you ready?😅
ehhmmm eos R3
Kai show your watch collection
Jacket and watch game - on point.
1 reason: money, which Sony paid you
💀
It's a +/- video, and if you didn't watch long enough, Kai is also making the flipside argument video where nikon wins.
Do you really think anyone is buying the camera because the watched this video? 😂
Sony is smart enough to not waste money like that
Fail. Next time: first watch the video. And of course: understand physics
Lol , people are still buying cameras 😅😅
Too much Sony hype. All this constant digital tech churn created a whole industry of superfluous reviews of tech that doesn’t actually improve photos. I think most cameras today are great - what else matters? Didn’t have all this crap 20 years ago and pictures are no better today.
No thanks, like anything Sony makes it only works for a month or two before you start to notice the horrible buggy and laggy programming.
lol nikon fanbois mad in here
Nikon fan boys are raging hard 😂
No to sony menus
Sorry guys, there are people who prefer 85mm 1,8 for streetphotography also time to time I use 70-200 GM 2. Streetphotography is not about range 24-50mm
How can take the 70200gm2 for street photo graphy? All passers are looking you?
1. It’s not.
2-5. See above.
A1 is still the daddy
Сomedians:))
panning pan
first
…the weak “trying to be funny” mantra is now starting to get a little tired……
Yet your here anyway ...go figure
That’s not so smart from Squarespace to sponsor this video
Dude, where's your G9ii review?
That’s a sick leather jacket. Which is that?
First comment ‘ Sony colors lol 😆
they should have put in at least 33 megapixels on the a9iii.
Just being a first global shutter from major camera manufacturers makes A93 the best. I own A92. When used A93 comes around it will be my next camera