It’s pretty bad amiright. Mainly in its non joke dialogue. The dialogue is my favourite part of the show and without dan Harmon and Chris McKenna it’s pretty fucking sucky. They tried to imitate season 3 instead of doing what dan Harmon did every season. Every good season is different in tone and execution. They always innovate. No two seasons are the same
Rich Writes they really squandered the characters development turning them into 1 note character where I feel no character got enough screen tins because the actual screen time they had was wasted by the writers. Annie got turned into me like Jeff , abed got turned into me like movies and the dean got turned into I wear dress. I feel the only character that benefited in the new season was pierce even though he got less screen time he had sweet moments with Jeff and britta. But he still wasn’t funny. And imo the worst pierce we’ve seen. All the characters were the worst. Edit: yeah they turned Jeff into kind of a sexual assaulter like wtf yeah Chevy said the n word so they tried to not have him on set. I think Jeff always knew Annie liked him from like season 2 onwards but the age difference and Jeff seeing himself as a bad guy stopped him from persueing a relationship. Would love to hear your thoughts about season 6. For me their are too many episodes that are my favourite.
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 Howd they turn Jeff into a sexual assaulter? I feel like I wouldve noticed that lol I love season 6, but it wasnt as good as 1 2 3 and 5. It felt like it had a lower budget so the sets and camera work werent as good. They couldnt go as big with the parodies. It was still a great season, especially with the last three episodes!
Rich Writes the documentary episode where Jeff forced himself onto Chang’s ex wife and noone talks about it. Season 6 had a different pace and great writing but I agree they couldn’t go as big as they might have wanted but the finale is sooo damn fitting for the final episode.
i didn't like most of the abed focused episodes in this season. it didn't feel like an "abed" episode, more like a "what movie tropes can we force upon a character" episode, like the "two dates" episode. sure it was funny and i got a laugh out of some parts but not because of how abed interacted with anyone around him; mostly due to how jeff was constantly shitting on britta "britta-ing" of her own dance only to be given the middle finger once the actual singer shows up.
I wouldnt say Community "jumped the shark". I feel like that suggests that the show had a moment that marked a perminant downward tragectory in quality. Seasons 5 and 6 are great, so thankfully the show recovered!
Community Reference At some point Abed uses the phrase "jump the shark" to which Troy replied (paraphrasing) "Why do people always say that like it's a bad thing? They literally jumped a shark in Happy Days and it was the coolest episode of the show." (This is ofc, the origin of the phrase)
I've been rewatching Community lately, and I've noticed that Jeff actually does ask the group to focus on studying several times in different seasons, so I don't think it was out of character for him to do so in season 4.
Yeah but Jeff would never have put the effort of doing extra summer classes on his own in the first place. Jeff has always been been minimum effort with the minimum result. It's completely out of character on 2 levels
@@Hodgy14 Summer classes may have been a bit of a stretch for Jeff's character, but when he was so close to graduating from Greendale, he definitely would have been the one studying the most. (Jeff's exhibited this behavior in past season finales as well.) So, summer class may have been OOC for him, but not studying.
"I'm willing to go an extra mile to avoid doing something" Guess which character said that and which takes longer between one summer class and two extra years of college
chevy actually left before they finished s4, they had enough of him to sprinkle him throughout the season, but thats part of why his role was minimal and he sometimes just wasn't there
I think Jeff telling the group to study actually makes sense. Jeff’s been wanting to graduate the whole season and wants to get the hell outta Greendale. Him telling the group to study so they can ace the History Test is totally in character. Other than that, I mostly agree with your arguments. Great video!
Yeah especially in the season 3 finale all Jeff was really talking about was revising for his biology final. Also when he referenced the doable and passable banners it was literally season 4 episode 11
It's a little on the nose and Could have been executed better but hasn't the show been leading entirely up to "new jeff" status? How is that out of character?
Annie playing house with imaginary Jeff is one of the most successful plots of s4 because of how well it shows each character's growth--more so Annie, bcuz she's at the center of it. It shows how she's still coping with/ trying to come out of her childish girly crushing, that there is actually a desire for something serious within that and set an excellent precedent for 'mature' Annie in season 5. And I don't care if Jeff is a horn dog. Annie is Jeff's friend and he wouldn't have leveraged a situation where Annie was into him for personal satisfaction because he not THAT shitty of a person AND more importantly because almost every time she does express interest or he's forced to confront his attraction to her he backs out of whatever fantasy he had (look at Christmas musical, calligraphy, etc) because he knows it's wrong, just like Annie's fantasy. They both represent potential ideals, but weaknesses they're both trying to grow out of. They demonstrate that in the most extreme way with darkest timeline jeff and Annie being a couple, the jeff-centric plot I see as kind of the flipside to the Annie plot in the hotel. Each season before worked towards it a bit but I think season 4 was the best season for exploring those two characters relationship specifically.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was so ready to go and that's why he took summer school, to get out of there. The main lesson learned at the end of the season is that he doesn't want to leave, he wanted to stay so he could continue to hang out with his study group. Which is... Character growth.
The body swap being used for Troy to process his feelings about Britta (also being a man) was the right way to do it. Like you complained that the puppet episode was high concept without a deeper motivation to exist, but then shit on the body swap episode for doing just that, while also developing their relationship which you also said the rest of the season had been lacking. It even kind of points to the fact that their relationship was underwhelming and is part of why it had to end.
As someone currently rewatching community, your critique of Jeff wanting to study isn't fair at all. He asks multiple times in season 1 to study, and he develops this want because of how his character developed at the end of episode 1.
Very much disagree about the Freaky Friday episode. Thats basically my favorite episode of the show. And the Brita and Troy's relationship is need to make it work. Yea i said it. There's a season 4 episode that should be in most people's top 5.
I think it made my top 20, maybe top 25. Still not top notch, and it felt like it dragged at some point, but it’s the only episode from the whole season other than Herstory of Dance that I don’t skip on rewatch
A quick correction: You attributed Dan's firing before season 4 to the spat that he had with Chevy Chase at the start of the video. In actuality, Dan and Chevy are on good terms after that spat and I've never heard Dan attribute his firing to the feud. Instead, he has always maintained that the reason he was fired was because the show got dropped from a primetime time slot at CBS to a worse time slot, meaning that the show was expected to make less money and was more or less being put to pasture, and Dan kept trying to make the show as good as possible, which was running into money that they no longer expected to make. Rather than compromise and phone it in like the network asked, Dan kept giving it his all and eventually they fired him and replaced him with showrunners who were willing to do the bare minimum for a lower cost. He talks some about it here: ruclips.net/video/ej_aFOnT04g/видео.html
Thanks for letting me know! Yeah it's weird, I researched this a good bit and all I found was citing the creative differences between Chevy and Dan. I think I was trying to focus on being comedic in the video, and I wanted to focus on the writing, so my research on why Dan was fired wasn't as thorough as the rest of the video was. I'll be sure to research better in the future. Thanks for watching!
@@baileydihayco8873 Interesting. I don't think he or anyone else has directly attributed the incident with Megan Ganz to his firing. However, having done some more research it does look like the incident took place in 2012 shortly before his firing, and if the incident itself wasn't a factor, his alcoholism and temperamental attitude as a result of the incident almost certainly was.
I feel like the argument of Jeff actually studying is invalid. In Season 3 Episode 22, the first scene Jeff is trying to study while everyone leaves for something else. The reason behind Jeff trying to Study in season 4 and doing summer school is get his degree done as fast as possible so he can go back to bring a Lawyer. The reason he tried so hard to get all the Balls in the contest was because he needed a history credit and wanted to do it with the group. He wants to stay with the group but he also can rely on them. He feels that if he does some extra work at that moment, he can slack off for the rest of the year.
He also probably needs to study for the history final because he has been getting Cs all year so if he get a really low mark on the final then he might fail and has to retake the class delaying the time he can earn his degree.
Thats kinda more in character for jeff because it was a summer class and he wanted to pass it so that wasting his summer wasn't for nothing, but i do think that wanted to study for history is also in character cause he wanted to get his degree as soon as possible
On my first watch of season 4, I didn't notice many changes until Pierce told Jeff that he should be kinder to Britta and I immediately thought WTF Pierce would never say that. On my second watch of season 4, many more errors become apparent though. In S1-3 of Community The "parodies" would play a part in the story being told, often the episode making a statement about the genre or movie it homages. The Hunger Games, Haunted House genre, Shawshank Redemption and Matrix are referenced in the stories but are never used well, they are shallow at best and pointless at worst. The audience is just told that Troy and Britta are now dating, we aren't even shown who asked out who and how. It is such an ackward reveal. Also, the season wastes so many good ideas. Jeff's Dad, Darkest Timeline and even Changnesia is a good idea (even if a little far-fetched) if executed well. BTW the fact that the show never jokes about how over used the amnesia trope is, is astounding.
Yeah pierce is just so off this season. I love what you said about parodies being used to develop character! Troy and brita are great characters, its a shame how awkward their relationship is!
Darkest Timeline (in the sense of having the characters from the darkest timeline literally exist and confront the characters in 'our' timeline) is not a good idea. Remedial Chaos Theory is such an extraordinarily well-crafted sitcom episode; turning it into some silly generic Doctor Who-style story about evil versions of the characters travelling through time and space is such a childish debasement of the original idea. The timelines are just a framing device to illustrate chaos theory and explore the dynamics of the characters; it's not supposed to be a kooky sci-fi story with a bit of character stuff maybe tacked on.
@@videogamenostalgia Good grief. Just saying its a childish debasement doesn't make it so. Offer an argument or fuck off. The darkest timeline characters didn't literally exist and confront the prime timeline characters, it was a dream ffs. In fact, it actually WAS a framing device to explore Jeff's character growth--not to illustrate chaos theory, what on Earth makes you think that illustrating chaos theory is a worthwhile thing for a sitcom episode to do? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you one of those people who thinks the reason Rick and Morty is clever is because of the physics jokes?
I wish I could see Pierce like you do, for me any episode with him as a major focus was nothing but painful, except the video game episode I enjoyed him in that one instance. He's too mean spirited for me to find any charm in him, even early in the series.
Ehh your argument falls apart due to you basing it off that one sentence from Jeff. In season 3 Jeff tries to study while Shirley wants him to be her lawayer against Pierce. The whole idea of the episode is that Jeff says he is "new Jeff" they literally talk about it the entire episode. I don't like season 4 either but your premise doesn't make sense.
I really think the most damning episode of season four is heroic origins, because it's so clear they don't understand the root of the characters and don't really think about continuity or consistency. Troy's backstory was riddled with mistakes- his leg got broken instead of his shoulders dislocated, and faked the injury rather than hurting himself on purpose, like we're told in season 1. Plus him actually remembering Annie dismisses their development out of high school and makes Troy's insecurity seem far more shallow. Abed's backstory also doesn't fit with the narrative we were told in season one- heroic origins frames it as if he couldn't go to film school as a punishment, when the truth is that his father needed help with his family business and always thought Abed's obsession with TV and film exacerbated the animosity between the two. I could state issues with every single backstory we're shown, but I digress. These contradictions are all relatively minor, but speak to a greater misunderstanding of the characters that the season four writers have. We see so clearly in the episode that the motivations and mindset of the Greendale seven are lost on these writers, and it shines through in more subtle ways throughout the whole season. Great video! I always love hearing people talk about Comummunity on RUclips
@13:37 some time before this episode, jeff has come to the realization that annie is too young and too decent for him, culminating with intro to political science where he calls her a kid. his reaction to annies season 4 advances are in line with the character growth established by the season 1-3 writing team.
Season 4 feels like a fan fic of the show instead of an actual show where they just don’t really understand what makes the characters and the show magical
"This just isnt Jeff" ......bro.....have you ever watched a movie or show and noticed that sometimes the characters grow and change.........its called character development?????
He’s trying to graduate so he doesn’t have to be at Greendale anymore. That’s the reason why he was so mad at Annie in Season 1. This isn’t out of character for him.
I love that Jeff is your favourite character, I feel like oddly as the leading man he can be pretty underrated at times, with more focus being given to the quirkier characters, but Jeff is just brilliant as a not-really-a-straight-man straight man.
This entire season is basically like the time in Parks and Rec when Tom tries to pick up women in Ron's raccoon skin hat, completely missing why it works for Ron and not him.
By season 2, Jeff was still very much interested in blow-off classes, but learned 'how to study' at the end of season 1 and became a more dutiful student after that. There was an entire episode, prior to season 4, in which Jeff's entire motivation is to study for a biology exam. *_"CELLULAR. MITOSIS."_*
I like season 4 with the weird ass relationship between troy and britta bc i feel like it brought us closer as an audience to seeing how troy is gay and belongs with abed
This. Troy is absolutely gay (literally obsessed with butt stuff) and I wish they had done more with that. Although Abed is clearly asexual so that’s not really a relationship I wanted to see.
I think the only good thing they managed in season 4 (maybe a lil too hyperbolic) is how they handled Jeff's dad. Season 4 unironically handled it better than season 6 handled britta's parents.
One more piece of evidence that these new guys didn't know or understand the characters was also at 9:14 (with the running into grandma in Heaven remark)... Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that people go ANYWHERE when they die (Heaven or Hell).
With the whole Jeff and Annie thing I would say that Jeff doesn’t view Annie as just another girl so I think that him not jumping on it straight away when he finds out that she’s into him is pretty realistic. Also it’s pretty clear that the age difference freaks them both out a bit despite them both clearly being into each other bat least at some points in the show. Don’t get me wrong I still think that story was stupid, Annie pretending to be married to Jeff is a bit weird and out of character in my opinion.
A tiny little thing I hated was that they didn’t explain why Shirley wanted to pull pranks with Anne in the first episode, she just does, which is very unlike the original writing of the show. She would’ve had some agenda that would be revealed at the end of the episode, but no, she just wants to pull a prank. Very strange and off putting
it felt like annie should've been more mature by season 4. in "conventions of space and time" she should've already know that telling the truth was the best way to deescalate since in season 3's episode "foosball and nocturnal vigilantism" where she did a similar thing (lying about breaking abed's dvd) and kept escalating the situation to the point where she confesses, abed doesn't believe her since "she would've confessed before". season 4 annie just felt like season 2 annie which is odd since season 3 showed that annie was being more confident and generally becoming mature.
@4:02 "doable and passable" is from season 4--kind of undercuts the point. also, jeff almost always cares about studying after the pilot because he's trying to get out of there as soon as possible. remember "cellular...mitosis"?
Your whole rant on jeff saying "let's pass this test", fails to remember that this dude does not want to be in College anymore. He wants his life back. How does that not make sense to you? God forbid there's character growth , everybody should stay the same looking ass boy
This is what I initially thought when I watched that episode, however in hindsight it did come way out of left field. Jeff hadn’t been set up for that kind of character development if I remember correctly. We weren’t given any motivation as to why he suddenly wants to study instead of just coasting/weaseling out like he’s used to. It’s weird.
Mostly I agree with this, but a couple things: -Jeff telling the group to study could be plausible, for one of two reasons: 1. He has grown over the years, and has become more honest. Also, he really wants to graduate quickly, so it makes sense that he would say that. 2. (my favourite) He wants to stop Abed from going down the rabbit hole of analyzing the group's history, as it would not only annoy him and distract him from his test, but it would make him dredge up certain things from his past, such as, well, pretty much everything he has to end up talking about. Also, he literally did this in the finale of season 3 when Shirley asks him to help with her case, and he uses studying as an excuse. -I know that maybe it doesn't portray the characters accurately, but "Herstory of Dance" is so good! The confusion over Sophie B. Hawkins and Susan B. Anthony was pure gold. -I can't even believe I have to say this, but I really hope that when you said "post-season 3 Chang is the worst character ever", you meant that season 4 Chang was the worst character, because Chang in season 5 and especially 6 was amazing. His PowerPoint demonstration comes to mind, etc.
yeah i can see other possible explanations for Jeff studying, but it still feels off to me. yeah i don't like Chang after S3, he just feels so off to me
@@richwrites5683 yeah he feels really off. But it's just cause he kinda just changed throughout each season. Season 1 is my favorite where he's just the weird sociopath teacher. S2: he was good as just the weird student who wanted to belong because of his sociopathy. S3: he turns into a dictator to try and force love. S4 he trys to get his revenge before abed tells him that they would accept him. Then the rest is him just trying to be likable to them before he is in the commercial and gets an ego cause hes never been universally liked let alone tolerated. I do agree he's way funnier in the early seasons but his arcs still compelling.
I basically already knew from watching all the other community videos on RUclips but I can’t help but watch every video I see where ppl are talking about community. I just love hearing people talk about it. It’s like a God complex but for a show
I agree with 99% of this but... "Pierce tries to better himself?" I don't think that's in his character at all in the series. Also the rich guy they try to lure to Greendale I actually liked. Sure, that plot went no where after that but in its own way it was a pretty community episode.
Doesn't Jeff spend basically the entirety of the season 3 finale annoyed because he wants to study for the final? I agree that season 4 feels like weird fanfiction a lot of the time but Jeff wanting to study isn't terribly inconsistent with his evolving character, especially the side of him that wants to get the hell out of greendale and back to being a lawyer. You also say "the new writers" don't know how to write for Jeff while neglecting to mention that basically the entirety of the season 3 writing staff came back for season 4 - people like Andy Bobrow, Megan Ganz, Steve Basilone + Annie Mebane - people who drafted some pretty monumental episodes. The difference was most definitely the hand on the steering wheel, but with every rewatch I try to appreciate S4 more for what it is than what it isn't. The claim that Chevy Chase "got Dan Harmon fired" is also, at best, extremely simplistic and at worst just wrong (obviously I wasn't in the meetings that coincided with his initial firing but there's plenty of information out there) - I dunno man, I agree that season 4 wasn't great and there's definitely stuff to talk about but I guess I disagree with your conclusions about why. No disrespect, keep doing your thing, just offering some thoughts :)
Season 4 is perfectly fine and a good amount of the people who complain about it only do so because Dan Harmon has openly denounced it (and by proxy has insulted the people who took up his throne when he got called out for sexually harassing Megan Ganz). The dude used to be a trash-fire of a person who refused to admit he was wrong about anything. Conventions of Space and Time is a great episode too, not sure why that one gets SO MUCH hate. Seasons 1-3 are NOT 10/10 either. They’re better than S4 but not by much- because all 6 seasons are amazing sitcom television. Does season 4 have more forgettable episodes? Sure. Does season 1 have some forgettable episodes? Undoubtedly. Arguably MORE.
You're absolutely right and it's obvious. People think because of the Dan Harmon drama, season 4 *must be* significantly worse than the others, so they look for things to hate about it. No one can bring themselves to admit that the new writers actually did a decent job because you're not supposed to think that.
@@Sabertooth1000000000 don’t get me wrong, season 4 is different and it doesn’t always feel right, and YEAH, it’s pretty weak compared to season 2 or 5, but the way some people act about it, you’d think they weren’t even watching the same actors with their natural chemistry from the first 3 seasons.
@@BradsGonnaPlay I would argue everything bad about Season 4 was also in season 3. The only difference is that season 3 also had better overall storytelling, so the bad parts aren't as big of a deal.
Problems with the video: - Reason for Dan Harmon being fired. - "Why is Jeff a Virgin?". Really, do I even have to go further to explain why that is not a criticism? - As pointed out by everyone who paid attention to the series, Jeff did want to pass and get out of there as fast as possible. So that criticism goes out of the window. - "Britta is an anarchist, she will never be in a relationship. Look at season 1" Bad argument, you just basically said: "I want this character to be exactly the same as from three years ago. Eeeww, character development *puke*." Now, your criticisms about these point would be valid if you made them about how it's done, not what is done. Like how the relationships between the characters are, mostly, ridiculous and inconsistent with the other seasons. So on those points, yeah, you were correct. I completely agree with what you said about Abed on this season. I see so many people neglect that, so props for that. I do think the 4th season is weak compared to the others but your reasoning is so weak for why that is.
11:45 shirley is older than jeff lol and i think it's a good thing to exclude pierce lmao since season 2 he had less and less things to do because everyone hated working with the actor. sure, sometimes the character is funny, but he's also so fucking annoying most of the time he's onscreen imo lmao. I'm glad he's gone, hickey was better than him in season 5 anyway lol
Physical Education Education was one of the only plotlines I really loved in this series, and the other B-plot of the episode with Jeff and Pierce at the barbershop is something I mostly enjoyed; however, I can't bring myself to watch the entire episode again because of how much I hate that "whale" plot.
I got my friend into Community last year and he couldn’t make it through the fourth season. He told me it was so bad to him that it made him kinda hate the first three seasons too on some level.
jeff insisting on having to study was also the season 3 grand finale though he's basically the only character who's had a clear-cut arc over the 3 years
I think the idea of Dean Pelton getting the gang to try to convince a wealthy dude to pump money into Greendale is honestly a great idea and it sounds like something that would've happened in Seasons 1-3. Shame no one was in character the entire episode. Like you're telling me ANNIE just goes along with it?! She would be the one attempting to tell the guy what's going on!
What they did to Abed is horrendous because they treat him like how the writers of Girl Meets World treated Farkle when they suspected he was autistic.
For me, the most awkward part was when Jeff was faking a bad British accent. Jeff would either be good at accents or too smart to try faking one if he knew he was bad at it.
Personally my favorite episode of the show has to be Contemporary American Poultry. Although it’s not on the top of too many lists I think that it was a great twist on the mafia genre and helped to establish why the group needs Jeff. Also great vid!
yeah i really didn't like chevy this season. but as people will tell you, he was just hating his time on the show at this point. i think the last good pierce episode was the haunted house, where he accepted his half-brother and gave him a pretty damn good mansion to live in after losing all the inheritance.
@9:35 anyone who has ever been in a relationship can appreciate how salient and evidentiary this scene is. also the takedown of "lets" and "splingles" is epic, and was something harmon never thought to do (he was likely too busy sexually harassing megan ganz)
I think your reaction to jeff's line is unjustified for two reasons: Firstly, one of his main motivations for doing anything in the series is getting out of Greendale as soon as possible, and this means getting the desired credit for every class he's in. This means that he'll blow off assignments but it's totally reasonable to assume that if he fails the final than he'll fail the class and not get the credit. This motivation of "Jeff needs to get the C- so he can get the credit so he can exit Greendale asap" has been explained several times in the past three seasons, and I'd appreciate the writers not spelling this out every time. Second, Jeff does a similar thing in Season 3, when Shirley and Pierce are in a dispute over who technically owns the sandwich business. Shirley wants Jeff to help her in the legal case but Jeff doesn't want to be bothered, so when Shirley approaches him he makes it clear that he only wants to talk to Shirley if they talk about Biology. Jeff throughout the episode (in Season 3) is trying to study mitosis. It's completely within his character to ask this because it makes sense given his motivations, and we've seen him do it before.
I agree Abed is wayyy off in S4 but I feel like some of this started in S3. Blasphemous I know but the episode with him and Annie in the Dreamtorium makes him feel very Sheldon-ey I hate it
The thing I think that makes it different is that in the first 3 seasons every line could only be said by the specific character it’s written for, whereas in season 4 there are far too many lines that you could imagine anyone saying
I feel like the people who think that it's "ok" are people who watched it in Netflix/binged watch it. Cause I just think when I was waiting for season 4 back in 2012-13 I was really worried because Community is a really complex show where you based your opinions on how you understand and what you feel in the episodes. And when it aired it's first episode, "History 101", I was really disappointed. It was trying to make you think that it's complex and at the same time desperately trying to make you understand what the lesson/s is/are. It's not "bad" but it's just doesn't feel that it's community because the writer explained during the course of the 3 seasons that it has this original idea of what the characters will be at the end, that the group is "not normal" but has much more fun without Jeff because no one is restricting them. That Britta is someone who's stopping the group from having deeper feeling with each other because she's too confined with hating herself so much it affects the group but Season 4 just scrambled it up. Like someone made a good parody of it.
Honestly, the line you said doesn't really make much sense to me, even if you get a C, you still have to do a lot of studying. Also, him taking summer classes makes sense because it was established in season 3 that he wants to get out of greendale as quickly as possible. Jeff wanted to get out of greendale makes sense because hes hated it multiple times through the show. Its pretty rushed as development, but it still makes sense. Abed doesn't really seem to different, kinda just simplified in this season, but not too much. Shirley has always been a pretty simplified character in my eyes, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, the writers dropped trow and shat on Pierce, no disagreements there. Troy is intact, agree with you there, along with Annie. Ian duncan didn't really show up in half of the episodes in season 3, don't really see why thats an issue seeing as though this is half the length of seasons 1-3. The Dean wasn't too bad, except for a wasted opportunity. Chang's sublot doesn't make much sense and is disappointing, but it not making much sense isn't too bad of an issue seeing as though everyone acted like coybows and trashed the school, and no one questioned it, and the way it ended for Chang was nice. It also has some of my favorite episodes, Heroic origins was pretty creative and is pretty sweet, the finale is well done and I personally LOVE it, and the christmas episode is one of the better episodes. It does have some of the bigger dissapointments in the series as a whole, but I like it, but hey thats just my take.
I'm Glad you enjoyed it! I don't want to ruin it for you if you have fun watching it. Just one point id like to comment on. there is a moment in season 3 where the Dean messes up their classes, and tells everyone to take summer classes. Jeff is mad and yells at dean for ruining his summer. I meant to include this in the video, but I just completely forgot lol But overall, I'm glad you have fun with this season! Heroic origins is definately one of the highlights of the season. I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and wiring all that!
Ever since it was revealed that the head of city college was making a robot I was really hoping that as some sort of finale of the show or something but nope. So I really do hope that if they make a movie that that is a main part of the movie because we need to know what will happen.
What do you think of season 4?
It’s pretty bad amiright. Mainly in its non joke dialogue. The dialogue is my favourite part of the show and without dan Harmon and Chris McKenna it’s pretty fucking sucky. They tried to imitate season 3 instead of doing what dan Harmon did every season. Every good season is different in tone and execution. They always innovate. No two seasons are the same
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 TRUTH! Yeah their banter feels really watered down in this season.
Rich Writes they really squandered the characters development turning them into 1 note character where I feel no character got enough screen tins because the actual screen time they had was wasted by the writers. Annie got turned into me like Jeff , abed got turned into me like movies and the dean got turned into I wear dress. I feel the only character that benefited in the new season was pierce even though he got less screen time he had sweet moments with Jeff and britta. But he still wasn’t funny. And imo the worst pierce we’ve seen. All the characters were the worst.
Edit: yeah they turned Jeff into kind of a sexual assaulter like wtf yeah Chevy said the n word so they tried to not have him on set. I think Jeff always knew Annie liked him from like season 2 onwards but the age difference and Jeff seeing himself as a bad guy stopped him from persueing a relationship. Would love to hear your thoughts about season 6. For me their are too many episodes that are my favourite.
@@tonyeleaglenurmagomedov4550 Howd they turn Jeff into a sexual assaulter? I feel like I wouldve noticed that lol
I love season 6, but it wasnt as good as 1 2 3 and 5. It felt like it had a lower budget so the sets and camera work werent as good. They couldnt go as big with the parodies. It was still a great season, especially with the last three episodes!
Rich Writes the documentary episode where Jeff forced himself onto Chang’s ex wife and noone talks about it. Season 6 had a different pace and great writing but I agree they couldn’t go as big as they might have wanted but the finale is sooo damn fitting for the final episode.
I feel like even after season 4 the show wasn’t the same, it didn’t feel right, you know, without Magnitude
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JIM RASH was the one who wrote the Troy and Abhed switch bodies episode!
makes me think they should've used HIM more in the writers roo m!
Easily the best episode in the season
Oscar-winning writer Jim Rash!
@@richwrites5683 I thought the first episode was pretty solid
did your keyboard have an aneurysm while typing this?
I was just watching that yesterday and I was wondering out loud why this episode didn't suck
my main problem with this season is their treatment of Abed. Abed is my favorite character in this show and I just couldn't take it.
Abed is such a great character. such a wasted opportunity
Right when I saw him smiling, I realized it was gonna be horrible
i didn't like most of the abed focused episodes in this season. it didn't feel like an "abed" episode, more like a "what movie tropes can we force upon a character" episode, like the "two dates" episode. sure it was funny and i got a laugh out of some parts but not because of how abed interacted with anyone around him; mostly due to how jeff was constantly shitting on britta "britta-ing" of her own dance only to be given the middle finger once the actual singer shows up.
everyone has a crush on troy ok britta get in line
For real!
Everyone either has a crush on troy or annie, and that's a fact.
@@tummylicker3847 or abed? I think there are others..
Dean: “Okay guys group hug.....where I’m in between Jeff and Troy”.
I love britta.
I hate when people say Season 4 jumped the shark. They did that on an episode of Happy Days and it was the best episode of the show!
I wouldnt say Community "jumped the shark". I feel like that suggests that the show had a moment that marked a perminant downward tragectory in quality. Seasons 5 and 6 are great, so thankfully the show recovered!
this is a very adequate reference
@@richwrites5683 you missed the joke
@@richwrites5683 community's whole thing was jumping the shark nearly every episode to the point that the phrase becomes meaningless lmao
Community Reference
At some point Abed uses the phrase "jump the shark" to which Troy replied (paraphrasing)
"Why do people always say that like it's a bad thing? They literally jumped a shark in Happy Days and it was the coolest episode of the show."
(This is ofc, the origin of the phrase)
Let me just say it: S01 Pierce is genius, like, Michael Scott genius.
First we must ask ourselves, what is a story?
you could say he was... streets ahead
@@mentallyunstable1926 and if ya gotta ask then you're streets behind.
@@joegaming029 for a moment i thought you were calling me streets behind and i was low key offended
@@mentallyunstable1926 😂 I guess my wording is streets behind.
I've been rewatching Community lately, and I've noticed that Jeff actually does ask the group to focus on studying several times in different seasons, so I don't think it was out of character for him to do so in season 4.
Honestly after the end of season 3 the new characterization of Jeff just kinda felt like natural character development
Of course Jeff needed to study. He was one history credit away from graduating. He needed to pass that to get out and back to his day job.
Yeah but Jeff would never have put the effort of doing extra summer classes on his own in the first place. Jeff has always been been minimum effort with the minimum result. It's completely out of character on 2 levels
Also like, in Season 3 he was studying lmao, I don't see the issue.
@@Hodgy14 Summer classes may have been a bit of a stretch for Jeff's character, but when he was so close to graduating from Greendale, he definitely would have been the one studying the most. (Jeff's exhibited this behavior in past season finales as well.)
So, summer class may have been OOC for him, but not studying.
"I'm willing to go an extra mile to avoid doing something"
Guess which character said that and which takes longer between one summer class and two extra years of college
chevy actually left before they finished s4, they had enough of him to sprinkle him throughout the season, but thats part of why his role was minimal and he sometimes just wasn't there
oh wow! i knew he left but didnt know it was before s4
I think Jeff telling the group to study actually makes sense. Jeff’s been wanting to graduate the whole season and wants to get the hell outta Greendale. Him telling the group to study so they can ace the History Test is totally in character.
Other than that, I mostly agree with your arguments. Great video!
Yeah especially in the season 3 finale all Jeff was really talking about was revising for his biology final. Also when he referenced the doable and passable banners it was literally season 4 episode 11
Yeah he acted similar to this in the episode about Troy's birthday and also in the Spanish final episode.
It's a little on the nose and Could have been executed better but hasn't the show been leading entirely up to "new jeff" status? How is that out of character?
If you think about it, it really isn't out of character for him. Also, I just considered it character growth.
I like the thought that Chevy "convinced" them to fire Dan Harmon as if he wasn't actively drunk on set
Annie playing house with imaginary Jeff is one of the most successful plots of s4 because of how well it shows each character's growth--more so Annie, bcuz she's at the center of it. It shows how she's still coping with/ trying to come out of her childish girly crushing, that there is actually a desire for something serious within that and set an excellent precedent for 'mature' Annie in season 5. And I don't care if Jeff is a horn dog. Annie is Jeff's friend and he wouldn't have leveraged a situation where Annie was into him for personal satisfaction because he not THAT shitty of a person AND more importantly because almost every time she does express interest or he's forced to confront his attraction to her he backs out of whatever fantasy he had (look at Christmas musical, calligraphy, etc) because he knows it's wrong, just like Annie's fantasy. They both represent potential ideals, but weaknesses they're both trying to grow out of. They demonstrate that in the most extreme way with darkest timeline jeff and Annie being a couple, the jeff-centric plot I see as kind of the flipside to the Annie plot in the hotel. Each season before worked towards it a bit but I think season 4 was the best season for exploring those two characters relationship specifically.
Jeffrey "This is the last credit I need to graduate and escape this hellscape school" Winger.
Of course he wants to study.
Exactly what I was thinking. He was so ready to go and that's why he took summer school, to get out of there.
The main lesson learned at the end of the season is that he doesn't want to leave, he wanted to stay so he could continue to hang out with his study group.
Which is... Character growth.
@@94Central Exactly
The body swap being used for Troy to process his feelings about Britta (also being a man) was the right way to do it. Like you complained that the puppet episode was high concept without a deeper motivation to exist, but then shit on the body swap episode for doing just that, while also developing their relationship which you also said the rest of the season had been lacking. It even kind of points to the fact that their relationship was underwhelming and is part of why it had to end.
As someone currently rewatching community, your critique of Jeff wanting to study isn't fair at all. He asks multiple times in season 1 to study, and he develops this want because of how his character developed at the end of episode 1.
Not only that, one of the main plot points of a season 3 episode is Jeff trying to study for biology but constantly being interrupted.
@@zildjianabuser exactly🙌🏽
And he needs to pass history class to graduate at the end of the semester.
Didn’t Jeff ask everyone to shut up and study in one of the last episodes of season 3?? Am I wrong? It was for a biology test if I’m correct
You're correct the entire argument it's very weak
I really thought this was a Cosmonaut video
Omg it looks like it is
looks like it very much on purpose
Glad someone said it.
Yikes
Very much disagree about the Freaky Friday episode. Thats basically my favorite episode of the show. And the Brita and Troy's relationship is need to make it work.
Yea i said it. There's a season 4 episode that should be in most people's top 5.
I think it made my top 20, maybe top 25. Still not top notch, and it felt like it dragged at some point, but it’s the only episode from the whole season other than Herstory of Dance that I don’t skip on rewatch
A quick correction: You attributed Dan's firing before season 4 to the spat that he had with Chevy Chase at the start of the video. In actuality, Dan and Chevy are on good terms after that spat and I've never heard Dan attribute his firing to the feud. Instead, he has always maintained that the reason he was fired was because the show got dropped from a primetime time slot at CBS to a worse time slot, meaning that the show was expected to make less money and was more or less being put to pasture, and Dan kept trying to make the show as good as possible, which was running into money that they no longer expected to make. Rather than compromise and phone it in like the network asked, Dan kept giving it his all and eventually they fired him and replaced him with showrunners who were willing to do the bare minimum for a lower cost. He talks some about it here: ruclips.net/video/ej_aFOnT04g/видео.html
Thanks for letting me know! Yeah it's weird, I researched this a good bit and all I found was citing the creative differences between Chevy and Dan. I think I was trying to focus on being comedic in the video, and I wanted to focus on the writing, so my research on why Dan was fired wasn't as thorough as the rest of the video was. I'll be sure to research better in the future. Thanks for watching!
I thought it was because he got meetoo'd for harassing a female co-worker and his alcoholism
@@Slohan2580 My understanding is that that was an entirely different catastrophe that happened years later
@@atomicpenguin12 he did say in his open apology letter to Megan Ganz that it was his unwanted advances that got him fired
@@baileydihayco8873 Interesting. I don't think he or anyone else has directly attributed the incident with Megan Ganz to his firing. However, having done some more research it does look like the incident took place in 2012 shortly before his firing, and if the incident itself wasn't a factor, his alcoholism and temperamental attitude as a result of the incident almost certainly was.
I feel like the argument of Jeff actually studying is invalid. In Season 3 Episode 22, the first scene Jeff is trying to study while everyone leaves for something else. The reason behind Jeff trying to Study in season 4 and doing summer school is get his degree done as fast as possible so he can go back to bring a Lawyer. The reason he tried so hard to get all the Balls in the contest was because he needed a history credit and wanted to do it with the group. He wants to stay with the group but he also can rely on them. He feels that if he does some extra work at that moment, he can slack off for the rest of the year.
He also probably needs to study for the history final because he has been getting Cs all year so if he get a really low mark on the final then he might fail and has to retake the class delaying the time he can earn his degree.
Didn't Jeff also try to study for his chemistry exam during the Shirley sandwiches trial?
Thats kinda more in character for jeff because it was a summer class and he wanted to pass it so that wasting his summer wasn't for nothing, but i do think that wanted to study for history is also in character cause he wanted to get his degree as soon as possible
On my first watch of season 4, I didn't notice many changes until Pierce told Jeff that he should be kinder to Britta and I immediately thought WTF Pierce would never say that.
On my second watch of season 4, many more errors become apparent though. In S1-3 of Community The "parodies" would play a part in the story being told, often the episode making a statement about the genre or movie it homages. The Hunger Games, Haunted House genre, Shawshank Redemption and Matrix are referenced in the stories but are never used well, they are shallow at best and pointless at worst.
The audience is just told that Troy and Britta are now dating, we aren't even shown who asked out who and how. It is such an ackward reveal. Also, the season wastes so many good ideas. Jeff's Dad, Darkest Timeline and even Changnesia is a good idea (even if a little far-fetched) if executed well. BTW the fact that the show never jokes about how over used the amnesia trope is, is astounding.
Yeah pierce is just so off this season. I love what you said about parodies being used to develop character! Troy and brita are great characters, its a shame how awkward their relationship is!
Pierce was really all over the place that season
Why would Pierce never be kind to Britta? He's had lots of kinder moments in the past.
Darkest Timeline (in the sense of having the characters from the darkest timeline literally exist and confront the characters in 'our' timeline) is not a good idea. Remedial Chaos Theory is such an extraordinarily well-crafted sitcom episode; turning it into some silly generic Doctor Who-style story about evil versions of the characters travelling through time and space is such a childish debasement of the original idea. The timelines are just a framing device to illustrate chaos theory and explore the dynamics of the characters; it's not supposed to be a kooky sci-fi story with a bit of character stuff maybe tacked on.
@@videogamenostalgia Good grief. Just saying its a childish debasement doesn't make it so. Offer an argument or fuck off. The darkest timeline characters didn't literally exist and confront the prime timeline characters, it was a dream ffs. In fact, it actually WAS a framing device to explore Jeff's character growth--not to illustrate chaos theory, what on Earth makes you think that illustrating chaos theory is a worthwhile thing for a sitcom episode to do? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? Are you one of those people who thinks the reason Rick and Morty is clever is because of the physics jokes?
I wish I could see Pierce like you do, for me any episode with him as a major focus was nothing but painful, except the video game episode I enjoyed him in that one instance.
He's too mean spirited for me to find any charm in him, even early in the series.
"New Jeff!" = "Steve Holt!"
mind blown
STEVE HOLT
Him and Maybe being cousins without knowing is hilarious
@@viktorholfinger9052 fr one of the funniest shows on the planet
Steve Holt is a bastard. He doesn't even know who his real father is.
Jeff has told the group to study multiple times
Ehh your argument falls apart due to you basing it off that one sentence from Jeff. In season 3 Jeff tries to study while Shirley wants him to be her lawayer against Pierce. The whole idea of the episode is that Jeff says he is "new Jeff" they literally talk about it the entire episode. I don't like season 4 either but your premise doesn't make sense.
"Why is cultural sensitivity training on Christmas Day?"
It's December 10th!
You can’t blame the state of Pearce in S4 on the writers. Chase just didn’t want to be there
I can't remember what the fuck happened in season 4, like it's literally blank to me
Chevy Chase having creative differences with the director is such a Pierce thing to do lol
I really think the most damning episode of season four is heroic origins, because it's so clear they don't understand the root of the characters and don't really think about continuity or consistency. Troy's backstory was riddled with mistakes- his leg got broken instead of his shoulders dislocated, and faked the injury rather than hurting himself on purpose, like we're told in season 1. Plus him actually remembering Annie dismisses their development out of high school and makes Troy's insecurity seem far more shallow. Abed's backstory also doesn't fit with the narrative we were told in season one- heroic origins frames it as if he couldn't go to film school as a punishment, when the truth is that his father needed help with his family business and always thought Abed's obsession with TV and film exacerbated the animosity between the two. I could state issues with every single backstory we're shown, but I digress.
These contradictions are all relatively minor, but speak to a greater misunderstanding of the characters that the season four writers have. We see so clearly in the episode that the motivations and mindset of the Greendale seven are lost on these writers, and it shines through in more subtle ways throughout the whole season. Great video! I always love hearing people talk about Comummunity on RUclips
Glad you liked the video! Yeah there are so many little things that build up to the characters feeling lesser in this season.
@13:37 some time before this episode, jeff has come to the realization that annie is too young and too decent for him, culminating with intro to political science where he calls her a kid. his reaction to annies season 4 advances are in line with the character growth established by the season 1-3 writing team.
Had to turn this off immediately - Jeff wants to pass the test so he can actually graduate. That point is driven home repeatedly.
Season 4 feels like a fan fic of the show instead of an actual show where they just don’t really understand what makes the characters and the show magical
"This just isnt Jeff" ......bro.....have you ever watched a movie or show and noticed that sometimes the characters grow and change.........its called character development?????
I think season 4 is not as horrible as people like to say, sure it wasn't as good as previous seasons but I don't believe it deserves as much hate
I stopped after S3: that is when the show ended, for me.
Idk about the jeff studying thing, he spent the whole season 3 finale trying to study
I disagree, but im too lazy to explain why
If I had to rank NBC sitcoms I would rank them
1. Parks and Rec
2. Community
3. Brooklyn 9-9
4. The Office
5. Friends
Parks and Rec... We stan
He’s trying to graduate so he doesn’t have to be at Greendale anymore. That’s the reason why he was so mad at Annie in Season 1. This isn’t out of character for him.
Holy crap this video literally sums up my exact thoughts during and after I finished this season. Thank you so much
Glad you liked it!
The worst part of season 4 is not misunderstanding of the characters and not the direction of the season but JEFF'S HAIR.
I love that Jeff is your favourite character, I feel like oddly as the leading man he can be pretty underrated at times, with more focus being given to the quirkier characters, but Jeff is just brilliant as a not-really-a-straight-man straight man.
This entire season is basically like the time in Parks and Rec when Tom tries to pick up women in Ron's raccoon skin hat, completely missing why it works for Ron and not him.
By season 2, Jeff was still very much interested in blow-off classes, but learned 'how to study' at the end of season 1 and became a more dutiful student after that. There was an entire episode, prior to season 4, in which Jeff's entire motivation is to study for a biology exam. *_"CELLULAR. MITOSIS."_*
I like season 4 with the weird ass relationship between troy and britta bc i feel like it brought us closer as an audience to seeing how troy is gay and belongs with abed
This. Troy is absolutely gay (literally obsessed with butt stuff) and I wish they had done more with that. Although Abed is clearly asexual so that’s not really a relationship I wanted to see.
I think the only good thing they managed in season 4 (maybe a lil too hyperbolic) is how they handled Jeff's dad.
Season 4 unironically handled it better than season 6 handled britta's parents.
One more piece of evidence that these new guys didn't know or understand the characters was also at 9:14 (with the running into grandma in Heaven remark)... Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that people go ANYWHERE when they die (Heaven or Hell).
Oh hey cosmonaut variety hour waaaaiiiit a minute
With the whole Jeff and Annie thing I would say that Jeff doesn’t view Annie as just another girl so I think that him not jumping on it straight away when he finds out that she’s into him is pretty realistic. Also it’s pretty clear that the age difference freaks them both out a bit despite them both clearly being into each other bat least at some points in the show. Don’t get me wrong I still think that story was stupid, Annie pretending to be married to Jeff is a bit weird and out of character in my opinion.
A tiny little thing I hated was that they didn’t explain why Shirley wanted to pull pranks with Anne in the first episode, she just does, which is very unlike the original writing of the show. She would’ve had some agenda that would be revealed at the end of the episode, but no, she just wants to pull a prank. Very strange and off putting
Best explanation I’ve seen on RUclips 👌
it felt like annie should've been more mature by season 4. in "conventions of space and time" she should've already know that telling the truth was the best way to deescalate since in season 3's episode "foosball and nocturnal vigilantism" where she did a similar thing (lying about breaking abed's dvd) and kept escalating the situation to the point where she confesses, abed doesn't believe her since "she would've confessed before". season 4 annie just felt like season 2 annie which is odd since season 3 showed that annie was being more confident and generally becoming mature.
@4:02 "doable and passable" is from season 4--kind of undercuts the point. also, jeff almost always cares about studying after the pilot because he's trying to get out of there as soon as possible. remember "cellular...mitosis"?
Out of all the Leak Year analyses, this one is the most in-depth and is the most reasonably sound, unlike New Jeff
Your whole rant on jeff saying "let's pass this test", fails to remember that this dude does not want to be in College anymore. He wants his life back. How does that not make sense to you? God forbid there's character growth , everybody should stay the same looking ass boy
THANK YOU
He also wants to study for biology in season three
This is what I initially thought when I watched that episode, however in hindsight it did come way out of left field. Jeff hadn’t been set up for that kind of character development if I remember correctly. We weren’t given any motivation as to why he suddenly wants to study instead of just coasting/weaseling out like he’s used to. It’s weird.
i mean you don’t gotta be a dick about it
Mostly I agree with this, but a couple things:
-Jeff telling the group to study could be plausible, for one of two reasons:
1. He has grown over the years, and has become more honest. Also, he really wants to graduate quickly, so it makes sense that he would say that.
2. (my favourite) He wants to stop Abed from going down the rabbit hole of analyzing the group's history, as it would not only annoy him and distract him from his test, but it would make him dredge up certain things from his past, such as, well, pretty much everything he has to end up talking about. Also, he literally did this in the finale of season 3 when Shirley asks him to help with her case, and he uses studying as an excuse.
-I know that maybe it doesn't portray the characters accurately, but "Herstory of Dance" is so good! The confusion over Sophie B. Hawkins and Susan B. Anthony was pure gold.
-I can't even believe I have to say this, but I really hope that when you said "post-season 3 Chang is the worst character ever", you meant that season 4 Chang was the worst character, because Chang in season 5 and especially 6 was amazing. His PowerPoint demonstration comes to mind, etc.
yeah i can see other possible explanations for Jeff studying, but it still feels off to me. yeah i don't like Chang after S3, he just feels so off to me
@@richwrites5683 yeah he feels really off. But it's just cause he kinda just changed throughout each season. Season 1 is my favorite where he's just the weird sociopath teacher. S2: he was good as just the weird student who wanted to belong because of his sociopathy. S3: he turns into a dictator to try and force love. S4 he trys to get his revenge before abed tells him that they would accept him. Then the rest is him just trying to be likable to them before he is in the commercial and gets an ego cause hes never been universally liked let alone tolerated. I do agree he's way funnier in the early seasons but his arcs still compelling.
I basically already knew from watching all the other community videos on RUclips but I can’t help but watch every video I see where ppl are talking about community. I just love hearing people talk about it. It’s like a God complex but for a show
I agree with 99% of this but... "Pierce tries to better himself?" I don't think that's in his character at all in the series. Also the rich guy they try to lure to Greendale I actually liked. Sure, that plot went no where after that but in its own way it was a pretty community episode.
Doesn't Jeff spend basically the entirety of the season 3 finale annoyed because he wants to study for the final? I agree that season 4 feels like weird fanfiction a lot of the time but Jeff wanting to study isn't terribly inconsistent with his evolving character, especially the side of him that wants to get the hell out of greendale and back to being a lawyer.
You also say "the new writers" don't know how to write for Jeff while neglecting to mention that basically the entirety of the season 3 writing staff came back for season 4 - people like Andy Bobrow, Megan Ganz, Steve Basilone + Annie Mebane - people who drafted some pretty monumental episodes. The difference was most definitely the hand on the steering wheel, but with every rewatch I try to appreciate S4 more for what it is than what it isn't.
The claim that Chevy Chase "got Dan Harmon fired" is also, at best, extremely simplistic and at worst just wrong (obviously I wasn't in the meetings that coincided with his initial firing but there's plenty of information out there) - I dunno man, I agree that season 4 wasn't great and there's definitely stuff to talk about but I guess I disagree with your conclusions about why. No disrespect, keep doing your thing, just offering some thoughts :)
dont copy the cosmonaut variety hour thumbnail bruh
the SpongeBob writers (season 1-3) would be fantastic for community
I hate how true this is
Season 4 is perfectly fine and a good amount of the people who complain about it only do so because Dan Harmon has openly denounced it (and by proxy has insulted the people who took up his throne when he got called out for sexually harassing Megan Ganz). The dude used to be a trash-fire of a person who refused to admit he was wrong about anything.
Conventions of Space and Time is a great episode too, not sure why that one gets SO MUCH hate.
Seasons 1-3 are NOT 10/10 either. They’re better than S4 but not by much- because all 6 seasons are amazing sitcom television.
Does season 4 have more forgettable episodes? Sure.
Does season 1 have some forgettable episodes? Undoubtedly. Arguably MORE.
You're absolutely right and it's obvious. People think because of the Dan Harmon drama, season 4 *must be* significantly worse than the others, so they look for things to hate about it. No one can bring themselves to admit that the new writers actually did a decent job because you're not supposed to think that.
@@Sabertooth1000000000 don’t get me wrong, season 4 is different and it doesn’t always feel right, and YEAH, it’s pretty weak compared to season 2 or 5, but the way some people act about it, you’d think they weren’t even watching the same actors with their natural chemistry from the first 3 seasons.
@@BradsGonnaPlay I would argue everything bad about Season 4 was also in season 3. The only difference is that season 3 also had better overall storytelling, so the bad parts aren't as big of a deal.
It was gas leak season so it makes sense
Yeah sorta valid points, but remember that scene where puppet Jeff tries to seduce the dean? Makes up for everything
11:19 music name? great video so far, btw.
Problems with the video:
- Reason for Dan Harmon being fired.
- "Why is Jeff a Virgin?". Really, do I even have to go further to explain why that is not a criticism?
- As pointed out by everyone who paid attention to the series, Jeff did want to pass and get out of there as fast as possible. So that criticism goes out of the window.
- "Britta is an anarchist, she will never be in a relationship. Look at season 1" Bad argument, you just basically said: "I want this character to be exactly the same as from three years ago. Eeeww, character development *puke*."
Now, your criticisms about these point would be valid if you made them about how it's done, not what is done. Like how the relationships between the characters are, mostly, ridiculous and inconsistent with the other seasons. So on those points, yeah, you were correct.
I completely agree with what you said about Abed on this season. I see so many people neglect that, so props for that.
I do think the 4th season is weak compared to the others but your reasoning is so weak for why that is.
11:45 shirley is older than jeff lol and i think it's a good thing to exclude pierce lmao since season 2 he had less and less things to do because everyone hated working with the actor. sure, sometimes the character is funny, but he's also so fucking annoying most of the time he's onscreen imo lmao. I'm glad he's gone, hickey was better than him in season 5 anyway lol
Physical Education Education was one of the only plotlines I really loved in this series, and the other B-plot of the episode with Jeff and Pierce at the barbershop is something I mostly enjoyed; however, I can't bring myself to watch the entire episode again because of how much I hate that "whale" plot.
The gas leak season isn’t even worth talking about. No Dan Harmon, no Community.
Ok but true fans know Abed was the REAL leader of the group.
I just finnished season 4 for a first time and omg, your analysis is so right. Thumbs up for good work
I got my friend into Community last year and he couldn’t make it through the fourth season. He told me it was so bad to him that it made him kinda hate the first three seasons too on some level.
Community season 4 was a competently made sitcom. The problem was that the previous seasons were spectacular television that can't be recreated.
Jeff "start a riot at a funeral because i have to take biology during summer" took summer classes?
Fan loyalty is a mental health condition that should be taken more seriously.
As a stand-alone, sitcom season it’s great. For community standards, it’s dog doo doo
How to watch community
S1
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Skip season 4
Skip half of season 5
Skip most of season 6
jeff insisting on having to study was also the season 3 grand finale though
he's basically the only character who's had a clear-cut arc over the 3 years
What Jeff goes through is what we call....character growth. Kinda obvious
I think the idea of Dean Pelton getting the gang to try to convince a wealthy dude to pump money into Greendale is honestly a great idea and it sounds like something that would've happened in Seasons 1-3. Shame no one was in character the entire episode. Like you're telling me ANNIE just goes along with it?! She would be the one attempting to tell the guy what's going on!
What they did to Abed is horrendous because they treat him like how the writers of Girl Meets World treated Farkle when they suspected he was autistic.
For me, the most awkward part was when Jeff was faking a bad British accent. Jeff would either be good at accents or too smart to try faking one if he knew he was bad at it.
I'm on my very first watch of Community and S4E2 was my first alarm that things had changed drastically.
Personally my favorite episode of the show has to be Contemporary American Poultry. Although it’s not on the top of too many lists I think that it was a great twist on the mafia genre and helped to establish why the group needs Jeff. Also great vid!
"How hard can it be to write a Community episode? There, give Pierce something racist to say. No, more racister is more funnier." It's like fanfic
yeah i really didn't like chevy this season. but as people will tell you, he was just hating his time on the show at this point. i think the last good pierce episode was the haunted house, where he accepted his half-brother and gave him a pretty damn good mansion to live in after losing all the inheritance.
@9:35 anyone who has ever been in a relationship can appreciate how salient and evidentiary this scene is. also the takedown of "lets" and "splingles" is epic, and was something harmon never thought to do (he was likely too busy sexually harassing megan ganz)
I think your reaction to jeff's line is unjustified for two reasons: Firstly, one of his main motivations for doing anything in the series is getting out of Greendale as soon as possible, and this means getting the desired credit for every class he's in. This means that he'll blow off assignments but it's totally reasonable to assume that if he fails the final than he'll fail the class and not get the credit. This motivation of "Jeff needs to get the C- so he can get the credit so he can exit Greendale asap" has been explained several times in the past three seasons, and I'd appreciate the writers not spelling this out every time. Second, Jeff does a similar thing in Season 3, when Shirley and Pierce are in a dispute over who technically owns the sandwich business. Shirley wants Jeff to help her in the legal case but Jeff doesn't want to be bothered, so when Shirley approaches him he makes it clear that he only wants to talk to Shirley if they talk about Biology. Jeff throughout the episode (in Season 3) is trying to study mitosis.
It's completely within his character to ask this because it makes sense given his motivations, and we've seen him do it before.
I agree Abed is wayyy off in S4 but I feel like some of this started in S3. Blasphemous I know but the episode with him and Annie in the Dreamtorium makes him feel very Sheldon-ey
I hate it
The thing I think that makes it different is that in the first 3 seasons every line could only be said by the specific character it’s written for, whereas in season 4 there are far too many lines that you could imagine anyone saying
when I kept hearing them reffer to the gas leal. I thought I fell asleep and missed an episode or two at some point. It was kinda confusing
The alien doppelgängers comment was spot on. Without Dan, his show will not have the same heart.
What i noticed is that episode 1 COMPLETLY destroys jeffs end of season 3 development
There was a gas leak, can you blame them
I feel like the people who think that it's "ok" are people who watched it in Netflix/binged watch it. Cause I just think when I was waiting for season 4 back in 2012-13 I was really worried because Community is a really complex show where you based your opinions on how you understand and what you feel in the episodes. And when it aired it's first episode, "History 101", I was really disappointed. It was trying to make you think that it's complex and at the same time desperately trying to make you understand what the lesson/s is/are. It's not "bad" but it's just doesn't feel that it's community because the writer explained during the course of the 3 seasons that it has this original idea of what the characters will be at the end, that the group is "not normal" but has much more fun without Jeff because no one is restricting them. That Britta is someone who's stopping the group from having deeper feeling with each other because she's too confined with hating herself so much it affects the group but Season 4 just scrambled it up. Like someone made a good parody of it.
Honestly, the line you said doesn't really make much sense to me, even if you get a C, you still have to do a lot of studying. Also, him taking summer classes makes sense because it was established in season 3 that he wants to get out of greendale as quickly as possible. Jeff wanted to get out of greendale makes sense because hes hated it multiple times through the show. Its pretty rushed as development, but it still makes sense. Abed doesn't really seem to different, kinda just simplified in this season, but not too much. Shirley has always been a pretty simplified character in my eyes, but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, the writers dropped trow and shat on Pierce, no disagreements there. Troy is intact, agree with you there, along with Annie. Ian duncan didn't really show up in half of the episodes in season 3, don't really see why thats an issue seeing as though this is half the length of seasons 1-3. The Dean wasn't too bad, except for a wasted opportunity. Chang's sublot doesn't make much sense and is disappointing, but it not making much sense isn't too bad of an issue seeing as though everyone acted like coybows and trashed the school, and no one questioned it, and the way it ended for Chang was nice.
It also has some of my favorite episodes, Heroic origins was pretty creative and is pretty sweet, the finale is well done and I personally LOVE it, and the christmas episode is one of the better episodes. It does have some of the bigger dissapointments in the series as a whole, but I like it, but hey thats just my take.
I'm Glad you enjoyed it! I don't want to ruin it for you if you have fun watching it.
Just one point id like to comment on. there is a moment in season 3 where the Dean messes up their classes, and tells everyone to take summer classes. Jeff is mad and yells at dean for ruining his summer. I meant to include this in the video, but I just completely forgot lol
But overall, I'm glad you have fun with this season! Heroic origins is definately one of the highlights of the season. I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video and wiring all that!
Rich Writes Yeah I was just doing my take on the season, I actually totally forgot about that dean thing so that makes sense now.
Thanks for watching!
I didn’t like the final episode because everything seemed so forced and lacked an understanding of what it was calling back to
@@dg9444 Yeah thats fair, I still appreciate what it TRIED to do, while the execution wasn't the greatest.
Ever since it was revealed that the head of city college was making a robot I was really hoping that as some sort of finale of the show or something but nope. So I really do hope that if they make a movie that that is a main part of the movie because we need to know what will happen.