I totally agree 100% friends I couldn't amagine a King shouldn't owe anybody anything everyone you asked to take a holdfast and give power over to that person over that region will be the death of you if history has taught us anything it's if you're in power keep your friends close as in in your household guard and power as an advisor not anyting that they can use against you but still respect their ideas and what they have to say other than giving them real power
"To the people of the time, Edward could have been bedding his priest, his page boy, and his _horse,_ as long as he was governing the kingdom properly." I just felt this line needed to be highlighted.
@J C Your general point is sound (trying to understand a person through the lens of *their* culture, not ours) but you've basically totally undermined it with your own political bias. You took a purely historical discussion and twisted history to fit your own political narrative.
I adore this series, but I really wish Dan had been able to do an episode for each of the Plantagenets, and not just simply a handful of them. I wanted to see an episode on Richard, on John, on Edward Longshanks . . . so much history out there, and Jones has a fantastic presence and is utterly riveting to listen to.
I agree! Regardless of people's opinions regarding Richard I, John, and Edward I, I think that they each deserve at least one episode. Edward III would take at least two episodes.
@@loganbagley7822 People's opinions on monarchs didn't matter here, as Richard II is roundly disliked too. As far as I can tell, they went for three of the most obscure from the dynasty (i.e. Henry III, Edward II and Richard II), and then the well-known Henry II to have its beginning and end covered. The kings you mentioned have been covered so much elsewhere, so I kind of agree with this decision.
This series is focusing on some of the less well known kings it seems ( except Henry II, but you kind of got to start with him ). They didn't even mention that Henry II's rebellious son Richard, was Richard the Lion Hearted
I think it very reveiling that is stated it did not matter if Gaveston was a friend or lover of the king, he was the factor that stimulated the short sighteness of Eduard II.
And what I’ve learned from history is that it was even more brutal if you had royal blood case in point the de pole family And Henry the eighth he actually had his own blood relative his aunt hacked to death more than anything because she had more royal blood then he did and therefore she and her relatives were threat to his throne
Well at least they didn’t have to fight in battles, to my knowledge, you had to be noble to be a knight and fight in the army, or I could just not know what I’m talking about
As an American I didn’t think I’d care much for the History of England or the U.K., but you Brits have such a fascinating history. Bravo! I am now on a Timeline binge. 🇺🇸
I personally am a lover of all things history and just seeing how those of the past can build great nations or tear them down is just fascinating. Its also incredible to see the impact of history on the modern world.
@@ЛивияФилипова I’ve tried to find out the entire cast but there doesn’t seem to be much crediting them. Isabella is apparently played by Adina Galupa though!
43:23 I was genuinely expecting them to go "The Answer, of course, he wasn't... He's right here!" and he walks in to see him still sat there after hundreds of years.
Fun Fact: Roger Mortimer's feud with Hugh Despenser the Younger possibly began at the Battle of Evesham (previous episode), when Roger's grandfather (also named Roger Mortimer) personally killed both Simon de Montfort and Hugh's grandfather (also named Hugh Despenser)
Handing the son, the future heir to the throne to your very very angry wife and her brother, they thought that was reasonable???? He really wanted to lose this badly.
Slightly disagree about the historian's view on Bannockburn. Lancaster not showing up was a part of it, even so, Edward still outnumbered the Scots over 2-1. It was his abysmal leadership skills, lack of coordination, and ultimate spinelessness that cost him the battle. He was nowhere near the league of his father, let alone Robert the Bruce.
Nick Craig Robert the Bruce prepared superbly. Combine that with the idiocy of where Edward placed his camps and his lines and his defeat was inevitable.
Larry McCauley Absolutely! And you can't deny the huge morale boost the Scots got when Robert literally broke his battle-axe over the head of Henry de Bohun. Compared with Edward, safely behind walls of his men and surrounded by guards, the English must have been gobsmacked!
Not to mention caltrops. I think the last people to use them were the Romans. The land mines of their day. Once the English attack failed, there was only one way out for Edward and his men. Into the killing zone of those river banks and escarpments. You couldn't try and find a worse situation to put yourself in.
The moral of the story, If you’re a Plantagenet, don’t have best friends, and also treat your wives better. Also, people called Piers and Hugh are normally a bit suspect. Although actually, that’s still applicable today.
Why aren't we taught this in school? We should learn about our own history. We have to make up by watching documentaries. Thankfully this is a good series.
@@msinvincible2000 I went to a Grammar School back in the early 70's and we didn't study this period at all for 'O' or 'A' Levels. Early modern history starts in 1485 and Social & Economic history starts from the dawn of the industrial revolution. It is entirely possible to have studied history at school and not know anything about the Plantagenets.
As an American, I’ve been captivated by the medieval history of England. I wish this was taught more in school to us, since technically, this history would be our history as well.
Tywin Lannister is basically created after Edward "longshanks" 1. The entire GOT wars in westeros, is based on the war of the roses in England. Check those docementaries out. They are great & quite facinating to hear them talk about it:)
I believe the world has been told that Cersei was inspired by either Elizabeth Woodville, or Queen Elizabeth the 1st. Besides, Cersei married the king in her late 20's? Early 30's? Isabella married at 12.
They didn't show here the even bigger insult at Edward and Isabellas wedding feast when Edward gave most of the gifts from Isabellas French entourage and nobles, to Gaveston. He ignored his young bride and spent the whole feast celebrating with Gaveston. The French nobles walked out disgusted and sailed home to France. Even 12 year old Isabella knew she had been dishonored as new queen in her new country.
@@bensonfang1868 Even in those days of child brides, the thought of sleeping with such a young girl was distasteful, even squeamish. But duty would compel them to do so since they often had short lives and dynasties needed heirs. So, it was more out of duty then out of any sexual or romantic desire as we modern people tend to misjudge. If they could afford to wait, they certainly would do so. One example being Queen Margaret Tudor. She was given to the 30-year-old Scottish King, James IV, at the age of 13/14 but other than consummate the marriage he didn't want to even touch her until she was of age when they started having children. But that was only possible because Scotland didn't have any wars during that time. For all his sleeping around, he preferred women closer to his own age as all his mistresses were.
@@girl1213 Marriages were conducted with some brides being as young as seven. However, they wouldn’t be sleeping together until the bride was old enough to bear a child safely. Even so, for legal and religious purposes, they had the rights and privileges of marriage. There were some very rare exceptions though. Probably the most famous was Margaret Beaufort (the matriarch of the Tudor dynasty). She got pregnant at 12 and gave birth at 13, being rendered infertile as a result. And even then, people were pretty shocked.
I've read a couple of Dan Jones books immediately upon finding them. I've seen this narrator in many videos I never knew it was Dan Jones himself. Awesome video.
Edward had a large enough army to defeat Robert the Bruce. He just wasn't a commander. He let the Scots decide where the battle would take place, and of course the Scots knew the land. He flubbed it from the start. He didn't need to blame Lancaster for his own stupidity.
When he said “The Despensers” referring to the family, I thought he said “Dispensers”. Sounds like a scary hit group from a fantasy novel, like Harry Potter or something.
Isabella was a strong young queen from the first. It didn't take the Despensers to do that. She'd already been surplanted by Piers Gaveston so held a certain amount of disdain for her husband, the king. After all she was a Capet, and the Capet were just as ruthless. Also, there seems to be evidence that Edward II was actually rescued by loyalists and spent the rest of his life as a monk.
I think both Gaveston and the leader of the dispensers were with the King. The way the leader of the dispensers was killed seems to prove a point. She was burning what got in the way of her marriage.
Poor Isabella. What else could she do - ignored and humiliated by her husband as a very young bride. She showed strength and character finding ways to support her husband but at the same time she must have despised him. It’s no wonder she turned against him.
During the civil war , Parliamentary forces decided in 1649 Kenilworth Castle should be " slighted." Hence the reason why its in ruins today. However, if you ever get the chance to see Warwick Castle , I would highly recommend it .
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Honestly I can't be upset with Isabella. Edward neglected her, disrespected her and humiliated her from the start. He literally left her stranded to be murdered when they stormed her castle 🤦🏼♀️ He had it coming 🤷🏼♀️
@34:13...the french king was prob like "yoooo welcome home sis!! we kept your room ready for ya!!... i was wondering when you'd be done with that buggerin' fool" XDXDXDXD!!
Despite how women were viewed and treated in those times in those countries. I’m glad to see some badass women trying to stand up for themselves. I’ve just finished watching the documentary on Mary I before this one too. Though they are both queens, still awesome to see it.
@@Grisostomo06 so? Those nobles were like 5% of the population most people spoke middle english. And in the 1300s french was already declining in england, henry 4 first language was english same as his father
Do you ever watch or read things about history and think, “wow maybe there’s more psychopaths in history than most people think”? Because I do. Because a lot of events in history go beyond simple incompetence or arrogance
A lot of history makes a lot more sense once you realize that most people in those days were probably suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome which involves things like poor impulse control, poor anger management, bad cause-effect reasoning..
@@aguyhere7945 Interesting observation of a likely situation, but it relies on the woman being the drunkard, so is it really a fact. Fetal alcohol syndrome requires the pregnant woman to be the one imbibing during the pregnancy not the male. FAS is also caused by other drug use by the pregnant woman besides alcohol. It doesn't occur because of the male being a alcoholic or drug user though.
Rather telling is that Isabella’s relationship with Mortimer is frequently referred to as adulterous and yet Edward’s affairs are passed off as good mates.
If Edward just told the Despensers that Isabelle and their children are off limits, she might not have rebelled. She would think that all she needs to do is to wait for Edward to die in some battle with France or Scotland then her heir will take over, and she could have power that way. But this royal idiot didn't even try to protect his own wife, who was loyal to him through thick and thin. He deserved to lose everything.
GRRM have combined people of history into characters of Game of Thrones Renly is combo of many men Edward is one the other George Plantagenet 1st Duke of Clarence He was one York Brothers
After watching the last episode it's pretty clear that Tywin Lannister is strongly based off Edward I. He was a much stronger ruler then his father, restored honor to his dynasty, was tactically brilliant, a terrible father, and died at an inconvenient time.
@@caliphax70 You also have the 2 branches after King Edward III... House Lancaster House Lannister House York House Stark And that is just for starters!
Richard I can't be competent when you're like thousands of miles away from home having a good time fighting saracens and moors. A good CEO but not a good COO
We should always remember that A) Exaggerations are traditionally claimed to make any political point, B) Degrading an enemy was particularly "satisfying" through outrageous claims, and C) They were bloody times and a report like this could likely be true. Don'tcha kinda think a claim like this would discourage an outcry from any man?
I love how this show had the English royalty and nobility speak French as their primary language...because they did!👍 Even Richard the Lionheart, as well as Edward Longshanks, spoke French as their primary language while English was their secondary language.
40:00 who said women leaders are more compassionate? Isabella showed herself to be as cruel and bloodthirsty as any warlord of the era. Quite a contrast from the gentle princess portrayed by Sophie Marceau in Braveheart...
Lol, you disclaim the story of Edwards “hot poker” death, but show it 4 times in one minute. Doesn’t that kind of perpetuate the lie? I do enjoy the series tho. Thank you.
I say Baratheons for Scots. I think Stannis more so in the books, seems loosely based on Robert the Bruce. Wild guess is Tygerians are sought of mixture of the Welsh (because red dragon standard) and the Hasburgs(because sibling incest).
Andie A Yep thanks for that! But I did saw that before and its auto generated, means its not as accurate as if timeline makes the subtitles themselves.
The Traditional display of the naked body (loin cloth) of the king publically was to show no wounds of foul play. So it was necessary to devise a suitable death with this in mind.
Out of all three kings that this series has covered (I still haven’t seen the fourth episode) Edward II seems the most incompetent. He does everything so impulsively and on a whim completely disregarding any possible consequences. Despite the barons control of his power Henry III at least tried to get things accomplished and leave a legacy. Edward just wanted to “hangout” with his friend Gaviston. When that didn’t work out he became the dispenser’s puppet.
At least Edward II managed to get rid of Lancaster and to defeat Mortimer once. In my opinion, Henry III was the most incompetent of all. Politically speaking, he literally did nothing right. The only battle he won, was his son's victory.
I wonder if someone snuck Hugh a little tonic right before the execution Would help explain how he was able to stay silent the entire time until they showed him his entrails. Hopefully the case
This brings back memories from The Accursed Kings saga... The episode about Edward the II, the III, Isabelle the She-wolf and Mortimer was the worst episode of the serie, especially that it felt especially irrelevant after the electric fascinating civil-war atmosphere the series had before... (Robert d'Artois I love you) But you managed to make it interesting, and even more, great !
18:51 - This scene was kind of ruined for me because of that overused stock sound. I wish editors would update their sound libraries or at least try to edit them to sound a bit different.
Soo much incredible history in europe. The castle's and churches just not enough time to see and do it. Thanks soo much to this dude for making such great videos
She was the daughter of the famous Philip IV who believed in nothing but in increasing his power. He loved only two people : his daughter Isabella and his wife Joan. He despised his sons and everybody else. His daughter was like him. Cold-blooded.
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I totally agree 100% friends I couldn't amagine a King shouldn't owe anybody anything everyone you asked to take a holdfast and give power over to that person over that region will be the death of you if history has taught us anything it's if you're in power keep your friends close as in in your household guard and power as an advisor not anyting that they can use against you but still respect their ideas and what they have to say other than giving them real power
Believe it or not he’s actully my Ansestor I swear it’s true
Edward II never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
😆😆😆
Clever and true
"No good opportunity goes unsquandered."
Yep 👍
Yep 😂
"To the people of the time, Edward could have been bedding his priest, his page boy, and his _horse,_ as long as he was governing the kingdom properly."
I just felt this line needed to be highlighted.
What are you??a LGBT activist
@@vikramsingh9119 An animal activist.
Better question - what do you have against either one of those things, hmm?
Yeah, since when have reprobates ever done anything properly? I'm glad you highlighted those things, considering the context of his idiotic rule...
@J C Your general point is sound (trying to understand a person through the lens of *their* culture, not ours) but you've basically totally undermined it with your own political bias. You took a purely historical discussion and twisted history to fit your own political narrative.
lol
The Plantagenets shouldn’t have had best friends is seemingly the overall message in this documentary.
Moriah Nickerson idk, I think Plantagenet kings like Edward lV and Richard lll had close friends who were loyal to them
:D
I so love this summary! 😂
In the entire series, in fact
"best friend"
"Edward and the Dispensers" would be a good band name.
love it!
It’s Despencer.....
I think it'd be a great name for a _band_ 🎸🎶
@@andrewyarosh1809 Spelling was invented way after those guys were alive, so anything goes...
Lol, true
I adore this series, but I really wish Dan had been able to do an episode for each of the Plantagenets, and not just simply a handful of them. I wanted to see an episode on Richard, on John, on Edward Longshanks . . . so much history out there, and Jones has a fantastic presence and is utterly riveting to listen to.
I agree! I thought I had missed an episode and saw that no, there is no episode on those three
I agree! Regardless of people's opinions regarding Richard I, John, and Edward I, I think that they each deserve at least one episode. Edward III would take at least two episodes.
Dan's wonderful!
@@loganbagley7822 People's opinions on monarchs didn't matter here, as Richard II is roundly disliked too.
As far as I can tell, they went for three of the most obscure from the dynasty (i.e. Henry III, Edward II and Richard II), and then the well-known Henry II to have its beginning and end covered.
The kings you mentioned have been covered so much elsewhere, so I kind of agree with this decision.
This series is focusing on some of the less well known kings it seems ( except Henry II, but you kind of got to start with him ). They didn't even mention that Henry II's rebellious son Richard, was Richard the Lion Hearted
Yeah...Gaveston was just his friend, his really good buddy, his close soul partner lol
well i guess Edward's end was just the "foreplay" xD
I get it though, the guy's hairdo was absolutely fabulous :)
Hetero life partners XD
I think it very reveiling that is stated it did not matter if Gaveston was a friend or lover of the king, he was the factor that stimulated the short sighteness of Eduard II.
But they were def boyfriends tho.
One thing this series has taught me is living in ancient England must have really sucked for a common person.
Probably, but at least you don't gotta deal with the petty drama and general threat of death at any moment of nobles
And what I’ve learned from history is that it was even more brutal if you had royal blood case in point the de pole family And Henry the eighth he actually had his own blood relative his aunt hacked to death more than anything because she had more royal blood then he did and therefore she and her relatives were threat to his throne
Well at least they didn’t have to fight in battles, to my knowledge, you had to be noble to be a knight and fight in the army, or I could just not know what I’m talking about
@@cinderfox5217 You are probably right about knights, but most soldiers died in the battles were commoners.
@@Ch215t1anxyz damn and here I was thinking that all the soldiers back then were knights…
I have learned something today
As an American I didn’t think I’d care much for the History of England or the U.K., but you Brits have such a fascinating history. Bravo! I am now on a Timeline binge. 🇺🇸
Considering American History derived from England, our laws come from theirs.
kikiwest2001 I understand that, but what I meant was I previously didn’t care for British history that didn’t involve the American colonies. I do now.
It's truly fascinating, and there is so much of it.
Proper US history does not have murdered Kings or any person whose genitals were publicly cut
I personally am a lover of all things history and just seeing how those of the past can build great nations or tear them down is just fascinating. Its also incredible to see the impact of history on the modern world.
When you take a child from her mother or endanger someone's child, the mother bites back. Elizabeth Woodville, Margaret Beaufort and Isabella.
elizabeth woodville Mother of a dynasty
Do you know the name of the actress who has played Isabella of France?
Exactly
@@netflixacc1726 whatsn't she just.so many children and so little time to conceive them. Astounding.
@@ЛивияФилипова I’ve tried to find out the entire cast but there doesn’t seem to be much crediting them. Isabella is apparently played by Adina Galupa though!
If I've learned anything from this series, its that Medieval Kings probably shouldn't have had best friends
😂😂😂😂
*Edward and Gaveston are deeply and intimately involved with each other*
History buffs: "BEsT mAtEs"
The equivalent of “gal pals” xD
Shut it. It’s the complete opposite. It’s more like “oh this historical figure didn’t have a wife? He must be homosexual!”
Besotted with Gaveston
And they were roommates
"Historians say they were best of friends" lol
43:23 I was genuinely expecting them to go "The Answer, of course, he wasn't... He's right here!" and he walks in to see him still sat there after hundreds of years.
lmao me too
You've chosen... wisely.
That would’ve been amazing!!
... still sitting there on a poker?
@@MrWombatty lol
Fun Fact: Roger Mortimer's feud with Hugh Despenser the Younger possibly began at the Battle of Evesham (previous episode), when Roger's grandfather (also named Roger Mortimer) personally killed both Simon de Montfort and Hugh's grandfather (also named Hugh Despenser)
They really weren’t that creative when it came to names, were they?
@@writingismymagic3565 easier to have an heir to just have your name than have them all learn a new name. Plus the incest helped them look alike.
Yes you are correct he’s also credited with killing Simon de Montfort via lance to the neck
I'm mesmerized by the beautiful scene when he was walking through the valley of purple with the yellow buds on the trees that was beautiful.
I had to go back and watch it again, I didn't hear a word he said.
Makes me wonder if it was like it at the time.
It was out of a dream...
I am loving the natural scenes in the countryside.
coldasiceprincezz Bluebells :) They carpet woodlands, esp around beech in spring.
They're called bluebells.
That's a common sight in the UK, as long as it's the right season.
Handing the son, the future heir to the throne to your very very angry wife and her brother, they thought that was reasonable???? He really wanted to lose this badly.
They underestimated her, to their cost
Slightly disagree about the historian's view on Bannockburn. Lancaster not showing up was a part of it, even so, Edward still outnumbered the Scots over 2-1. It was his abysmal leadership skills, lack of coordination, and ultimate spinelessness that cost him the battle. He was nowhere near the league of his father, let alone Robert the Bruce.
Nick Craig Robert the Bruce prepared superbly. Combine that with the idiocy of where Edward placed his camps and his lines and his defeat was inevitable.
Larry McCauley Absolutely! And you can't deny the huge morale boost the Scots got when Robert literally broke his battle-axe over the head of Henry de Bohun. Compared with Edward, safely behind walls of his men and surrounded by guards, the English must have been gobsmacked!
Not to mention caltrops. I think the last people to use them were the Romans. The land mines of their day. Once the English attack failed, there was only one way out for Edward and his men. Into the killing zone of those river banks and escarpments. You couldn't try and find a worse situation to put yourself in.
yeah, i use to hang out at the courts of Edward back then and i agree
@@ForgottenHonor0 I do think Longshanks would have beaten Robert The Bruce though.
It’s crazy how so many peoples lives across generations we’re all dependent on a few kings random personalities
Especially Henry VII
that's why we watch this stuff.. this is us
Eduardo II, rei da Inglaterra é meu 18º bisavô.
Yup, Edward and Gaveston were definitely getting their Renly and Loris on. SMH.
...where do you think GRRM got it from? He steals literally everything from history.
@@LoneKharnivore I think you mean that he was inspired by it
@@LoneKharnivore If it werent for him not so many people would be interested in the plantangenets.
LoneKharnivore : that's not the point of the post ya goob
Lol.
I love how one of the guards is like “shhhhhh” when they smother Edward.
man that guys roar at the start of the intro is awesome, he should get into a good tv show
Who is that guy?!
I thought the roar was awesome, too!
@@abhinayamarykoshy1264 Roger Mortimer is played by Romanian actor Cosmin Dominte.
@@ssnarashi is he popular in Romania?
@@abhinayamarykoshy1264 I don't know. I just found out his and the actress playing Isabella's instagram account.
Like in Game of thrones and the likes.... :D
I'm noticing a theme here. First there's an amazing king then an incompetent one lol
Well, that’s certaintly not the case with Henry IV and Henry V
@@mism847 Wasn"t Henry V a legend among English monarchs?
@@RedGodification yes but both Henry 4 and 5 were very good, and they were very good
Edward III, his son, is considered one of the greatest kings of England
Hmm this lack of understanding that actions have consequences seems to be common among the Plantagenets.
and politicians
I think that applies to us all not just royalty 💭
@@sperez98324 Too right sir. Too right.
Yes, like who else?
people
The moral of the story, If you’re a Plantagenet, don’t have best friends, and also treat your wives better. Also, people called Piers and Hugh are normally a bit suspect. Although actually, that’s still applicable today.
THEY TOOK HER CHILDREN AND HE DID NOTHING?!!! CUT HIS COWARDLY THROAT, ISABELLA!!!
Yeah 😡
"Love makes fools of us all, big and little.
" --William Makepeace Thackeray (1811-1863)
Some more than others, it seems.
Why aren't we taught this in school? We should learn about our own history. We have to make up by watching documentaries. Thankfully this is a good series.
You are british and you weren't taught this in school?!!! What school did you attend?
Read Marlowe's Edward II. It's an even juicier version.
@@msinvincible2000 I went to a Grammar School back in the early 70's and we didn't study this period at all for 'O' or 'A' Levels. Early modern history starts in 1485 and Social & Economic history starts from the dawn of the industrial revolution. It is entirely possible to have studied history at school and not know anything about the Plantagenets.
Ski Racer - history is not taught to keep the next generation ignorant, they would rather teach post modernist philosophy.
Because schools are teaching kids on gender change, the understanding of transvestites and telling them it's ok to identify as as different gender.
As an American, I’ve been captivated by the medieval history of England. I wish this was taught more in school to us, since technically, this history would be our history as well.
it certainly is the old tree than dropped the acorn that would grow into america, the histories are ultimately shared
As in the Caribbean too, especially former English colony islands
I’m in the same exact boat as you !
It is strange how fascinating English history is compared to American history. I was always bored when learning Texas and US history in school.
Schools in the US aren't exactly known for their dedication to teaching history
And I thought Game of Thrones was disturbing.
Since you mention Thrones this king and his friend might have inspired Renly Baratheon and Loras Tyrell.
Tywin Lannister is basically created after Edward "longshanks" 1. The entire GOT wars in westeros, is based on the war of the roses in England. Check those docementaries out. They are great & quite facinating to hear them talk about it:)
Isabella - Cersei? Out of the girls, only Cersei would eat while watching someone being tortured.
JRRM admits that GOT is inspired from history of England .. Gavistan - Lores Tyrell
I believe the world has been told that Cersei was inspired by either Elizabeth Woodville, or Queen Elizabeth the 1st. Besides, Cersei married the king in her late 20's? Early 30's? Isabella married at 12.
They didn't show here the even bigger insult at Edward and Isabellas wedding feast when Edward gave most of the gifts from Isabellas French entourage and nobles, to Gaveston. He ignored his young bride and spent the whole feast celebrating with Gaveston. The French nobles walked out disgusted and sailed home to France. Even 12 year old Isabella knew she had been dishonored as new queen in her new country.
That being said, it is a good thing a 20 year old man shows no sexual/romantic interest in 12 year old
@@bensonfang1868 Even in those days of child brides, the thought of sleeping with such a young girl was distasteful, even squeamish. But duty would compel them to do so since they often had short lives and dynasties needed heirs. So, it was more out of duty then out of any sexual or romantic desire as we modern people tend to misjudge. If they could afford to wait, they certainly would do so.
One example being Queen Margaret Tudor.
She was given to the 30-year-old Scottish King, James IV, at the age of 13/14 but other than consummate the marriage he didn't want to even touch her until she was of age when they started having children. But that was only possible because Scotland didn't have any wars during that time.
For all his sleeping around, he preferred women closer to his own age as all his mistresses were.
@@girl1213 Marriages were conducted with some brides being as young as seven. However, they wouldn’t be sleeping together until the bride was old enough to bear a child safely. Even so, for legal and religious purposes, they had the rights and privileges of marriage.
There were some very rare exceptions though. Probably the most famous was Margaret Beaufort (the matriarch of the Tudor dynasty). She got pregnant at 12 and gave birth at 13, being rendered infertile as a result. And even then, people were pretty shocked.
"Getting his mate back" is definitely an interesting way of putting it.
I've read a couple of Dan Jones books immediately upon finding them. I've seen this narrator in many videos I never knew it was Dan Jones himself. Awesome video.
Isabella and Mortimer together, I didn't see that coming. What a great episode!
dynamite, what a way for BOTH of them to get back at Edward!
Edward certainly didn't see it.
Edward had a large enough army to defeat Robert the Bruce. He just wasn't a commander. He let the Scots decide where the battle would take place, and of course the Scots knew the land. He flubbed it from the start. He didn't need to blame Lancaster for his own stupidity.
That was his excuse to go after Lancaster, his real motive is the murder of his "friend" by Lancaster.
When he said “The Despensers” referring to the family, I thought he said “Dispensers”. Sounds like a scary hit group from a fantasy novel, like Harry Potter or something.
I know right? They'd be like the Scourers!
Thanks for giving me an idea for my book ;)
Yeah, it makes them sound badass. I had to keep reminding myself it was their surname.
@@kaylizzie7890 Ya beat me to it, Karen. Keep writing and I'll look for it one day.
Yeah....probably not a good idea to take a mother's children from her. She might do something drastic.
A lesson Richard III didn't learn.
@@WilliamRobinson-bb6mr Elizabeth Woodville went against him so it isn't a surprise to me
@@idontgiveafaboutyou Still he did take custody of her children and then they disappeared which did spark her into action.
As she should!
Not without killing her first that is.
Isabella was a strong young queen from the first. It didn't take the Despensers to do that. She'd already been surplanted by Piers Gaveston so held a certain amount of disdain for her husband, the king. After all she was a Capet, and the Capet were just as ruthless. Also, there seems to be evidence that Edward II was actually rescued by loyalists and spent the rest of his life as a monk.
Never heard that one before. What sources?
@@bradmiller2329 Read Edward II: The Unconventional King
by Kathryn Warner
@@nicholasnelson8641 Thanks! Always looking for good sources.
I think Mortimer by Mortimer might mention that too. He was allegedly living in northern Italy. No other evidence though.
I also read this in Alison Weir's Queen Isabella: Treachery, Adultery, and Murder in Medieval England.
Thank you for these documentaries I have not watched one I didn't like Keep 'em coming
I think both Gaveston and the leader of the dispensers were with the King. The way the leader of the dispensers was killed seems to prove a point. She was burning what got in the way of her marriage.
Poor Isabella. What else could she do - ignored and humiliated by her husband as a very young bride. She showed strength and character finding ways to support her husband but at the same time she must have despised him. It’s no wonder she turned against him.
@@jasperhorace7147 Yesh Edward did bring this on himself no matter what his proclivities were. He was wrong and he paid for his misdeeds.
Breaks my heart to see these ruined castles which would have lasted 1,000 + years.
During the civil war , Parliamentary forces decided in 1649 Kenilworth Castle should be " slighted."
Hence the reason why its in ruins today.
However, if you ever get the chance to see Warwick Castle , I would highly recommend it .
@@landsea7332 I did go see Warwick Castle and you’re right, it was amazing!!
Never take a Mother's children.
I was going to report your comment as spam. But the profound mental retardation required by this spam bot developer to think *Black Magic* would be best phishing bait...is worthy of more viewers.
oh and dumbass.....ppl allover the world universally hate being re-directed by their actual phone companies to an Indian call centre...
you really think...they going to call voluntarily....when your name and phone country code SCREAMS india
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@harri WTF u talking bro?
never take a she wolves cubs... she'll tear you to pieces!
Wrong grammar
@edinburgh pact well, if it's like 18, they left of their own will.
Before that, never get between a mother and her kids.
Honestly I can't be upset with Isabella. Edward neglected her, disrespected her and humiliated her from the start. He literally left her stranded to be murdered when they stormed her castle 🤦🏼♀️ He had it coming 🤷🏼♀️
He was stupid.. Isabella was dangerous woman, she was daughter of Phillip the Fair.. Did he hear story about Netle affair?
The kings in this family seem to have a tendency to obsess over their best 'friends'.
Yep the bestest of best “friends” indeed
@34:13...the french king was prob like "yoooo welcome home sis!! we kept your room ready for ya!!...
i was wondering when you'd be done with that buggerin' fool" XDXDXDXD!!
Despite how women were viewed and treated in those times in those countries. I’m glad to see some badass women trying to stand up for themselves. I’ve just finished watching the documentary on Mary I before this one too. Though they are both queens, still awesome to see it.
the story of a bromance that everyone else hated
yeah a bromance... are you that naive?
What bromance? 😂😂
They were so obviously skrewing
imfromtambunan #stillbetterthantwilight
@@AKdsad100 so why they both had children and took female lovers?
@@ksodz1397 they could be lovers and stil have children
Content of this calibre for free on RUclips. You guys are Angels. And I love you Dan Jones ❤
"It was a kangaroo court", 500 odd years before Australia and kangaroo's were discovered.
Well... The documentary wasn't made 500 years ago. Just as well, we wouldn't understand a word of medieval English😉
@@annnee6818 More like medieval French. That was the official language spoken by the king and his courtesans.
@@Grisostomo06 so? Those nobles were like 5% of the population most people spoke middle english. And in the 1300s french was already declining in england, henry 4 first language was english same as his father
Our influence transcends time... Isn't that right Skip?
Jesus Christ I can see why Isabella is called he She-Wolf
She-Wolf was Arya Stark not Isabella, she was just a queen.
She was daughter of Phillip IV the King who destroyed the Knights Templar it was in her blood
Because she defeated her husand and took over. Women weren't allowed to rule during that time.
@@mikatu lol what are you talking about. She was indeed called the she-wolf of france
@@Smoug 😂
Rewatching this for the third time now. It's so good.
Wow, the actress playing Isabelle de France is pretty!
but pretty
Tell that to Edward II
hahahahahaa
i am pretty sure, however, that nasty little Edward insisted to perform his marital duties to ensure his descendance....
She looks 25 in my opinion
I love how I can see how these stories have influenced so much of my favourite nerd culture.
Do you ever watch or read things about history and think, “wow maybe there’s more psychopaths in history than most people think”? Because I do. Because a lot of events in history go beyond simple incompetence or arrogance
A lot of history makes a lot more sense once you realize that most people in those days were probably suffering from fetal alcohol syndrome which involves things like poor impulse control, poor anger management, bad cause-effect reasoning..
@@aguyhere7945 Interesting observation of a likely situation, but it relies on the woman being the drunkard, so is it really a fact. Fetal alcohol syndrome requires the pregnant woman to be the one imbibing during the pregnancy not the male. FAS is also caused by other drug use by the pregnant woman besides alcohol. It doesn't occur because of the male being a alcoholic or drug user though.
It's like Game of Thrones without dragons.
MisterTutor2010 no, game of thrones is rip off of real history
@@Annasea666 I mean, it's a work of fiction.
Oh God, please tell me no one believed that GoT is real history.
Anna KW : Rip off? Lmfao
@@kensebego199 Lmaoo right? Interesting word choice
Game of Thrones was based off the Wars of the Roses
Rather telling is that Isabella’s relationship with Mortimer is frequently referred to as adulterous and yet Edward’s affairs are passed off as good mates.
Piers Gaveston sounds like a cool spy name or alter ego of a superhero.
If Edward just told the Despensers that Isabelle and their children are off limits, she might not have rebelled. She would think that all she needs to do is to wait for Edward to die in some battle with France or Scotland then her heir will take over, and she could have power that way. But this royal idiot didn't even try to protect his own wife, who was loyal to him through thick and thin. He deserved to lose everything.
Lancaster: Lannister
York: Stark
Athea Alvarado lol yes, george r r martin didn’t even try to make the names sound different 😂
R Martin would surely have known that the historical references were so clear that it was fun to use similar names.
Thanks for a most enjoyable if somewhat bloody 45 minutes. Fascinating stuff.
Edward reminds me of King Renly from Game Of Thrones
GRRM have combined people of history into characters of Game of Thrones Renly is combo of many men Edward is one the other George Plantagenet 1st Duke of Clarence He was one York Brothers
Austin Heusner I’d argue the Baratheon brothers are based on the Norman kings of William, william II, Henry I and their brother Robert.
@Austin Heusner Part of Stannis is based on Julius Caesar. Actually Winterfell Siege is very similiar to Alesia.
@Austin Heusner Part of Stannis is based on Julius Caesar. Actually Winterfell Siege is very similiar to Alesia.
After watching the last episode it's pretty clear that Tywin Lannister is strongly based off Edward I. He was a much stronger ruler then his father, restored honor to his dynasty, was tactically brilliant, a terrible father, and died at an inconvenient time.
Whoa Queen Isabella! 👸🏻💁🏻
She's slayin.
I wonder, how come we don't have a movie about her, something like Elizabeth.
Just think of what drove her to do this. Men .... betraying her time and again ... suck that one. @StripperTipper-405
@bryan douglas Run along back to your incel subreddit, dear. The adults are talking.
Fun fact...
English kings called Henry reigned a total of 247 years
English kings called Edward a total of 195 years
That’s cause Henrys I, II, and III all reigned forms decently long amount of time
Thank you so much for uploading this video. It is helping me get through the pandemic!
This is an outstanding documentary series. Love it!
So many twists! I like this
You can see where Game Of Thrones took their inspiration from
Matthew Law Grrm said that the wars of the roses inspired ASOIAF.
GoT has got nothing on this.
@@caliphax70 You also have the 2 branches after King Edward III...
House Lancaster
House Lannister
House York
House Stark
And that is just for starters!
The Lancasters send their regards.
Really enjoying this series... Thanks. Now I want to visit all these castles dotted around the UK
the lord sure anoints some dumb ones
those are self anointed, nothing to do with the Lord
For progressives, it's a cardinal sin to criticize Christianity or Christians Kingdoms and Nations in any way.
I think the dumb and crazy ones are better drama. Edward III, William I, Henry I, Henry V, and Henry VII were all very competent
the Lord anointed Edward I, his son was a case of failed parenting
Richard I can't be competent when you're like thousands of miles away from home having a good time fighting saracens and moors. A good CEO but not a good COO
Your suggestion that Edward was probably smothered is a huge relief.
Probably a relief to Edward also! 😂
We should always remember that A) Exaggerations are traditionally claimed to make any political point, B) Degrading an enemy was particularly "satisfying" through outrageous claims, and C) They were bloody times and a report like this could likely be true.
Don'tcha kinda think a claim like this would discourage an outcry from any man?
I love how this show had the English royalty and nobility speak French as their primary language...because they did!👍 Even Richard the Lionheart, as well as Edward Longshanks, spoke French as their primary language while English was their secondary language.
Awesome documentary series!
40:00 who said women leaders are more compassionate? Isabella showed herself to be as cruel and bloodthirsty as any warlord of the era. Quite a contrast from the gentle princess portrayed by Sophie Marceau in Braveheart...
This was an absolute treat. Thank you
It's like being elected POTUS and appointing your Day 1/Ride Or Die Homie as VP who has no political acumen or savvy.
@array s you mean the guy that helped with peace in the middle east? Yeah... Truly incompetent.
History will see things differently.
great program, but how in the world do you sick past Edward 1 to get to Edward 2. and the story of edward 3 pay back is more interesting
Lol, you disclaim the story of Edwards “hot poker” death, but show it 4 times in one minute. Doesn’t that kind of perpetuate the lie?
I do enjoy the series tho. Thank you.
Everyone saying that the lancasters are the Lannister’s and York is stark, but I’m here like what about the Scots, the welsh, and the capets?
Iron Isles and whatever they were called? I forget
I say Baratheons for Scots. I think Stannis more so in the books, seems loosely based on Robert the Bruce.
Wild guess is Tygerians are sought of mixture of the Welsh (because red dragon standard) and the Hasburgs(because sibling incest).
It would be really great if timeline could put subtitles for international viewers
Andie A Yep thanks for that! But I did saw that before and its auto generated, means its not as accurate as if timeline makes the subtitles themselves.
DAN THE MAN!!! Thanks so much!
The Traditional display of the naked body (loin cloth) of the king publically was to show no wounds of foul play. So it was necessary to devise a suitable death with this in mind.
This episode is excellently made. Great
"The king has no choice; he turn his back on his friend." I think they're more than just friends. ; )
😂🤣😂🤣
Seen all 4 episodes so many times so amazing
Out of all three kings that this series has covered (I still haven’t seen the fourth episode) Edward II seems the most incompetent. He does everything so impulsively and on a whim completely disregarding any possible consequences. Despite the barons control of his power Henry III at least tried to get things accomplished and leave a legacy. Edward just wanted to “hangout” with his friend Gaviston. When that didn’t work out he became the dispenser’s puppet.
At least Edward II managed to get rid of Lancaster and to defeat Mortimer once. In my opinion, Henry III was the most incompetent of all. Politically speaking, he literally did nothing right. The only battle he won, was his son's victory.
I wonder if someone snuck Hugh a little tonic right before the execution
Would help explain how he was able to stay silent the entire time until they showed him his entrails. Hopefully the case
This brings back memories from The Accursed Kings saga...
The episode about Edward the II, the III, Isabelle the She-wolf and Mortimer was the worst episode of the serie, especially that it felt especially irrelevant after the electric fascinating civil-war atmosphere the series had before... (Robert d'Artois I love you)
But you managed to make it interesting, and even more, great !
Interesting series. Love these historical documentaries. Thanks for uploading 😊
18:51 - This scene was kind of ruined for me because of that overused stock sound. I wish editors would update their sound libraries or at least try to edit them to sound a bit different.
Such an incredible story and so well told!
Thank you very much.
a main theme of this series is: almost always, the kings who grew up w everything handed to them w no adversity were the worst and weakest.
Soo much incredible history in europe. The castle's and churches just not enough time to see and do it. Thanks soo much to this dude for making such great videos
I love learning about stuff like this. Evil and wickedness always devour themselves in their lust and anger. No more fitting end.
Isabella's like Arya+Visenya with Tywin's brain and Lyanna's courage. LOVE HER!
Excellent documentary .
I loved reading, listening English Histories, awakening and I sincerely Thank you for putting it all together
Queen Isabella got balls! Never Underestimate the Power of a Woman when it comes to Revenge!
She was the daughter of the famous Philip IV who believed in nothing but in increasing his power. He loved only two people : his daughter Isabella and his wife Joan. He despised his sons and everybody else. His daughter was like him. Cold-blooded.
More documentaries like this please!!!
If I can, I would love to reside in the British National Archives. 😍
1326: How to invade England with 100 men ... and WIN !
If ever a man did not deserve his wife, it was Edward 2.