Zach DeLa Rocha raised by his white mother abandoned by his chicano father but hates white people ( makes sense) Tom Morello also half white also racist toward whites utter pathetic hypocrisy. RATM is also the biggest hypocrites as marxist embracing capitalism and enjoying all that money they have made the whole far left is a massive larp movement
I didn’t know people were mad about the x men being the x men, but weren’t people complaint that Rage Against the Machine was raging at people for not complying to the machine? Pretty sure that’s what it was, grifting is shitty no matter who’s doing it
The same people who claim the X-Men haven't gone woke are the same people so myopically dumb as to identify with the X-Men forgetting the fact that the X-Men are narratively predisposed to lose and fumble the bag and that real life minorities don't have superpowers that regardless of politics no human except the moronically suicidal would ever allow to get a leg over them.
I mean the X-Men never felt woke, because they don't impose an agenda like certain group does, they just want to be alone with no one bothering them, just that, and they certainly felt more towards people with certain conditions and/or disabilities.
@@Insuablue welcome and I'm so happy you found the classic X-Fam and hopefully like us kids in the 90s today some kids gets to give a X-men themed valentine's day card to their school crushes if the show pops off : D
5:04 - Stan did not 'basically create' the Marvel U; he was a great guy, idea man, showman, and repackage; but in most cases, the driving creative force in creating the characters were artists, primarily Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, and many others. Great video, though!
@@Insuablue - right on, totally agree. As a kid, I'd often read media reporting on Marvel that would only credit Stan Lee; so annoying. But if you don't mind a little pushback, with current social media - you essentially *are* that media covering Marvel. Maybe with a smaller audience, maybe not, but it just seems there are a bunch of ways you could've rephrased "Stan basically created Marvel" that would've made the same point, but not minimized the equal (or in some cases, primary) co-creators? Anyways, not trying to give you a hard time, I'm enjoying hearing your thoughts on this. Oh - great job getting those Stan's Soapbox comments; next time consider including dates, those early ones are so powerful because they were so early, suggesting its not just a latter day retcon. Cheers
Stan The Man played a pivotal role in creating the Marvel Universe. The people you listed were major creative forces[*] it _was_ Stan Lee who curated & organized all these different creations and creators and organized things into a cohesive shared universe. He was basically the manager (in the sense of what a manager SHOULD be), the glue holding it all together. Plus, unlike scum like Bob Kane, Stan actually DID have varying levels of creative input on the characters he is co-credited for. Especially BEYOND their basic creation, when it came to fleshing them out in their respective comics. Since (also unlike Bob Kane) he actually WAS the lead writer for all of them originally and wrote & co-wrote all their original stories. And then later when he stepped away from being a writer, he became President & Editor-In-Chief of Marvel Comics where he oversaw the creation of many more iconic characters. He definitely earned the recognition that he got, but I _do_ personally believe that the primary credit for the creation of The Marvel Universe - Earth 616 - should be split evenly between Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. With maybe a bit more credit to Kirby when it comes to conceiving the characters & universe and maybe a bit more to Lee when it comes to the original fleshing out & expanding upon what Kirby created. And a special recognition to Steve Ditko for being the one who came up with the original idea for Spider-Man even though his original vision for what the character should become was awful and vastly different from what thankfully wound up happening. ([*]Except Steve Ditko had very little impact on Marvel beyond creating the original base concept of Spider-Man, and when you learn about what he believed superheroes should be and what his original vision for Spider-Man actually was and his personal & political philosophies and when you see his favorite creation Mr. A, you'll find that it was a very good thing he left Spider-Man when he did.)
Iceman being gay will never not piss me off. Nothing against gay people, Bobby Drake was literally characterized as a womanizer and a flirt with any somewhat attractive girl until he was written to just not be what he used to be. Is that even respectful representation? It feels insulting. I just never understood why they chose Bobby to do it, it’s like making the Punisher a vegan or putting together a blt but it’s beans lettuce and tomato
I also agree, bobby drake was a ladies man, and he has had many girlfriends, and the writers making him gay makes years of conflict between him and havok useless
@@sbrickproductionssame man, that's a straight up lazy panflet. If you wanna do things like that just create new characters instead of bastardizing the lore, talking about Morph too.
It was my Birthday a Month ago and My Birthday Wish was Since Magneto Joined the X Men The Next Villain Would Would like to Join the X Men is Juggernaut he would be Epic as an X Man.
Agree with your take on x men and their lore. But let's be very clear, no one movie CAN nd SHOULD BE expected to save the MCU. Cotz the max insane level it could possibly go is fix the previous problems or somehow retcon or delete them as a part of the plot. Let's say even if it does that, then also the upcoming movies will be crucial in the sense whether they can follow up with the momentum generated from this movie.
Well really the fact of the matter is that an ongoing multi-film narrative can only go so far before the limitations of the medium of film force it to be rebooted, soft or hard. Actors age and eventually move on and when the original planned narrative eventually reaches its conclusion (ie Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame), the question of what next arises. Not to mention audience fatigue. The fact that post-Endgame the MCU has had to scale back so much from what it originally was like as well as the fact that theyve found they need to rely more on multiverse concepts and alternate universes speaks volumes. I think the end of the last season of Loki serves as a perfect end to the epilogue of the original Marvel Universe and now is the time to shift to another universe. The fact that the upcoming Fantastic Four film is set in a separate universe to the original MCU showcases this and I think it's the right move. Doesn't mean there still can't be a shared MCU with multiple characters crossing over and cohabiting the same universe. I just think it's time for a NEW universe. And just as how the mainstream Marvel Comics universe of Earth-616 began with The Fantastic Four #1, so too should the new MCU begin with The Fantastic Four. And then bring in X-Men and Spider-Man and then you can bring in new versions of SHIELD and The Avengers et all.
Brilliant video my guy, i saw a video recently claiming the X-Men aren't woke, the comments corrected the creator as even people who don't like that word for whatever reason no the X-Men are woke and are a bigger success bc of it
I am not a huge superhero lover. But I love X-Men more than anything. Movies, animated series and comics. Because x-men is not about people in tights fights against evil. X-Men fights for outcasts and against bigots. I am so glad I grew up with this stories and they shaped me a better man. X-Men is the best.
True....but it _IS_ also aboot people in tights fighting against evil. Which is fine. But it's great that the stories also have deeper plots & themes. Which honestly is true for most Marvel Comics, like Spider-Man & Fantastic Four & some Captain America runs & some Iron Man runs, Luke Cage aka Power Man & The Luke Cage + Iron Fist serieses aka Heroes For Hire, the more modern Moon Knight runs, etc etc etc. Which is why back in the 1960s & 1970s Marvel Comics were HUGE with counterculture and high school + college age kids (the psychedelic hippies seriously loved Jack Kirby's work _especially_ on his original Dr. Strange run because when you're into LSD & shrooms & weed and consciousness expansion and all that beatnik & hippie stuff, OG Dr. Strange & Fantastic Four are PERFECT for you). And of course it's been discussed to death how all of them and especially Spider-Man appealed so much to the youth as well as mature readers for being FLAWED heroes who acted like actual human beings who were fallible and worked to overcome internal personal issues & interpersonal issues (especially with The Fantastic Four who have always worked best when depicted as a true family) in addition to the external issues of evil villains committing crime and/or trying to take over/destroy the world/galaxy/etc. Which was the exact *OPPOSITE* of the old late-1940s & 1950s & 1960s era of DC Comics' superheroes, who were depicted as infallible, square-jawed, gods amongst men & defenders of the status quo (which wasn't really how Batman or even Superman were depicted in the very late-1930s & the 1st half of the 1940s, og Superman was actually very progressive and used his more grounded & limited power to fight against corporate corruption and the powerful exploiting the unpowerful, but that changed by the post-WW2 era). Also, one last thing: when you learn about the kind of person Steve Ditko, who created Spider-Man with some help from Stan Lee, was it becomes mind-blowing that Spider-Man became so beloved & lauded for being a realistic hero who had personal issues and a real life as a teen then young adult. Because Ditko was actually super into Ayn Rand & """Objectivism""" where there is no such thing as gray, only black & white good & evil and no in-between. The only reason he depicted Spider-Man as so realistic and conflicted and all that is because in his debut in Amazing Fantasy #15 & The Amazing Spider-Man #1 he was just 15 years old and thus wouldn't be mature enough to become either pure good or pure evil as Ditko thought all comic book characters should be. He wanted Spider-Man to develop into that type of character but mercifully left the series before he could turn Spider-Man into something like his favorite creation "Mr. A" would become. Just look up Steve Ditko's "Mr. A" to see what we narrowly missed Spider-Man turning into lolol!
You pretty much nailed it. Every reason X-Men is amazing and worth reading/watching is in this video. I wish I could’ve been around during the peak years of X-Men (The 90s) cause everything about this team and their world is truly phenomenal.
I think that the creation of the X-Men as an allegory for bigotry with Xavier and Magneto as MLK and Malcom X was a bit of historical revisionism. Stan Lee has said that the he created mutants because he got tired of coming up with origins; not to mention cross-pollination from the Doom Patrol being created across the street. If you haven’t read the first 66 issues of X-Men, I recommend them as they show a different side than most people know. While the themes of fighting bigotry, tolerance, and having to hide who you are (Jewish allegory then, LGBTQ+ allegory now), it seems kind of superficial in that the tolerance doesn’t extend to Beast’s treatment of Bernard the beatnik. The most troubling element is Factor Three. For the time, they seem to be a careful balance between criticism of actual Soviet exploitation of the civil rights movement without getting into Bircherism. In the modern context, they can easily be misread as an allegory for the alt-right Great Replacement theory. The messaging and themes of the X-Men as we know them today didn’t really become finalized until Claremont took over.
The video maker is the same guy who thinks that just because tattoos are sadly popular that they've always been that way from the course of human history. Newsflash: they weren't, And Chris Claremont himself has said the classic Martin Luther King Jr v Malcom X thing wasn't even on his mind till he heard it and just jumped on the bandwagon.
Xmen was original intended as a Metaphor for Jewish Struggle since the creators were Jewish themselves, Magneto and Professor X was inspired by Political Leaders from Israel.
Magneto was a holocaust survivor. Stan Lee said Prof. X and Magneto were written to be a version of MLK and Malcolm X. So they weren't inspired by jewish struggle. Unless you mean the Hebrew struggle. But yea....X-Men is cool.
@@OneMasterChiefNo, that's a misconception. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were definitely not thinking of MLK and Malcolm X when they created Professor X & Magneto. That's a parallel later writers came up with. X-Men originally was just a plain old (LIGHT) allegory for the general Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and especially the 1960s, which wasn't JUST about ending racism & discrimination on black people but rather was a broad thing featuring many many groups and people who collectively sought to end all forms of racism and prejudice (though each group focused on their specific struggle like black groups and LGBT groups and Native American groups and Latino/Chicano groups and Asian groups and Jewish groups etc).
X-Men originally was just a plain old (LIGHT) allegory for the general Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and especially the 1960s, which wasn't JUST about ending racism & discrimination on black people but rather was a broad thing featuring many many groups and people who collectively sought to end all forms of racism and prejudice (though each group focused on their specific struggle like black groups and LGBT groups and Native American groups and Latino/Chicano groups and Asian groups and Jewish groups etc). I have never seen anything saying Stan Lee and Jack Kirby based Professor X & Magneto on Israeli political leaders, and certainly not intentionally. I think you're misinformed there.
The same people mad at X-Men for "going woke" are mad at Rage Against the Machine for making political statements.
Zach DeLa Rocha raised by his white mother abandoned by his chicano father but hates white people ( makes sense) Tom Morello also half white also racist toward whites utter pathetic hypocrisy. RATM is also the biggest hypocrites as marxist embracing capitalism and enjoying all that money they have made the whole far left is a massive larp movement
Agreed also I love ur profile picture
I didn’t know people were mad about the x men being the x men, but weren’t people complaint that Rage Against the Machine was raging at people for not complying to the machine? Pretty sure that’s what it was, grifting is shitty no matter who’s doing it
The same people who claim the X-Men haven't gone woke are the same people so myopically dumb as to identify with the X-Men forgetting the fact that the X-Men are narratively predisposed to lose and fumble the bag and that real life minorities don't have superpowers that regardless of politics no human except the moronically suicidal would ever allow to get a leg over them.
I mean the X-Men never felt woke, because they don't impose an agenda like certain group does, they just want to be alone with no one bothering them, just that, and they certainly felt more towards people with certain conditions and/or disabilities.
X-Men Grand Design is perfect for all the new people on earth who weren't here in the 90s.
Thank you because I wasn’t lmao
@@Insuablue welcome and I'm so happy you found the classic X-Fam and hopefully like us kids in the 90s today some kids gets to give a X-men themed valentine's day card to their school crushes if the show pops off : D
That’s fucking awesome lol
Is Rogue’s new design perfect too? 😱😩🫠🤪😂 #90’s kid lol
5:04 - Stan did not 'basically create' the Marvel U; he was a great guy, idea man, showman, and repackage; but in most cases, the driving creative force in creating the characters were artists, primarily Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, and many others. Great video, though!
Yeah it’s a crime a lot of people don’t know about those two because they were just as important as Stan
@@Insuablue - right on, totally agree. As a kid, I'd often read media reporting on Marvel that would only credit Stan Lee; so annoying. But if you don't mind a little pushback, with current social media - you essentially *are* that media covering Marvel. Maybe with a smaller audience, maybe not, but it just seems there are a bunch of ways you could've rephrased "Stan basically created Marvel" that would've made the same point, but not minimized the equal (or in some cases, primary) co-creators? Anyways, not trying to give you a hard time, I'm enjoying hearing your thoughts on this. Oh - great job getting those Stan's Soapbox comments; next time consider including dates, those early ones are so powerful because they were so early, suggesting its not just a latter day retcon. Cheers
Stan The Man played a pivotal role in creating the Marvel Universe. The people you listed were major creative forces[*] it _was_ Stan Lee who curated & organized all these different creations and creators and organized things into a cohesive shared universe. He was basically the manager (in the sense of what a manager SHOULD be), the glue holding it all together. Plus, unlike scum like Bob Kane, Stan actually DID have varying levels of creative input on the characters he is co-credited for. Especially BEYOND their basic creation, when it came to fleshing them out in their respective comics. Since (also unlike Bob Kane) he actually WAS the lead writer for all of them originally and wrote & co-wrote all their original stories. And then later when he stepped away from being a writer, he became President & Editor-In-Chief of Marvel Comics where he oversaw the creation of many more iconic characters.
He definitely earned the recognition that he got, but I _do_ personally believe that the primary credit for the creation of The Marvel Universe - Earth 616 - should be split evenly between Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. With maybe a bit more credit to Kirby when it comes to conceiving the characters & universe and maybe a bit more to Lee when it comes to the original fleshing out & expanding upon what Kirby created. And a special recognition to Steve Ditko for being the one who came up with the original idea for Spider-Man even though his original vision for what the character should become was awful and vastly different from what thankfully wound up happening.
([*]Except Steve Ditko had very little impact on Marvel beyond creating the original base concept of Spider-Man, and when you learn about what he believed superheroes should be and what his original vision for Spider-Man actually was and his personal & political philosophies and when you see his favorite creation Mr. A, you'll find that it was a very good thing he left Spider-Man when he did.)
Bro...that "...but you're one of the good ones..." is horrible to hear. I feel your pain. I hate to hear that.
Amazing video x-men were my first interested in Marvel thanks 97 x-men are getting spot light they des
Iceman being gay will never not piss me off. Nothing against gay people, Bobby Drake was literally characterized as a womanizer and a flirt with any somewhat attractive girl until he was written to just not be what he used to be. Is that even respectful representation? It feels insulting. I just never understood why they chose Bobby to do it, it’s like making the Punisher a vegan or putting together a blt but it’s beans lettuce and tomato
Yeah I feel that it’s like when they made dumbledore gay but idk retcons retcons ig
It’s like if they made Johnny storm gay tbh
I also agree, bobby drake was a ladies man, and he has had many girlfriends, and the writers making him gay makes years of conflict between him and havok useless
@@sbrickproductionssame man, that's a straight up lazy panflet. If you wanna do things like that just create new characters instead of bastardizing the lore, talking about Morph too.
What a banger
It was my Birthday a Month ago and My Birthday Wish was Since Magneto Joined the X Men The Next Villain Would Would like to Join the X Men is Juggernaut he would be Epic as an X Man.
Agree with your take on x men and their lore.
But let's be very clear, no one movie CAN nd SHOULD BE expected to save the MCU. Cotz the max insane level it could possibly go is fix the previous problems or somehow retcon or delete them as a part of the plot.
Let's say even if it does that, then also the upcoming movies will be crucial in the sense whether they can follow up with the momentum generated from this movie.
Well really the fact of the matter is that an ongoing multi-film narrative can only go so far before the limitations of the medium of film force it to be rebooted, soft or hard. Actors age and eventually move on and when the original planned narrative eventually reaches its conclusion (ie Iron Man to Avengers: Endgame), the question of what next arises. Not to mention audience fatigue.
The fact that post-Endgame the MCU has had to scale back so much from what it originally was like as well as the fact that theyve found they need to rely more on multiverse concepts and alternate universes speaks volumes. I think the end of the last season of Loki serves as a perfect end to the epilogue of the original Marvel Universe and now is the time to shift to another universe.
The fact that the upcoming Fantastic Four film is set in a separate universe to the original MCU showcases this and I think it's the right move. Doesn't mean there still can't be a shared MCU with multiple characters crossing over and cohabiting the same universe. I just think it's time for a NEW universe. And just as how the mainstream Marvel Comics universe of Earth-616 began with The Fantastic Four #1, so too should the new MCU begin with The Fantastic Four. And then bring in X-Men and Spider-Man and then you can bring in new versions of SHIELD and The Avengers et all.
Eckus man or the palastaton 5
Any ideas on what type of x tattoo?
I want to get one on my forearm simplistic and two lines around my arm around the symbol
Youre gay? Alright time to watch this video all the way through
That's so gay.
Which is why I'm doing the same.
Youre gay? Alright time to leave this video
Why?
Love the passion in the video! Great job ^^
Brilliant video my guy, i saw a video recently claiming the X-Men aren't woke, the comments corrected the creator as even people who don't like that word for whatever reason no the X-Men are woke and are a bigger success bc of it
Magneto as a villain and his team are woke. They would be the rioters and the ones killing cops. The Xmen, not so much.
video goes hard
I am not a huge superhero lover. But I love X-Men more than anything. Movies, animated series and comics. Because x-men is not about people in tights fights against evil. X-Men fights for outcasts and against bigots. I am so glad I grew up with this stories and they shaped me a better man.
X-Men is the best.
True....but it _IS_ also aboot people in tights fighting against evil. Which is fine. But it's great that the stories also have deeper plots & themes. Which honestly is true for most Marvel Comics, like Spider-Man & Fantastic Four & some Captain America runs & some Iron Man runs, Luke Cage aka Power Man & The Luke Cage + Iron Fist serieses aka Heroes For Hire, the more modern Moon Knight runs, etc etc etc.
Which is why back in the 1960s & 1970s Marvel Comics were HUGE with counterculture and high school + college age kids (the psychedelic hippies seriously loved Jack Kirby's work _especially_ on his original Dr. Strange run because when you're into LSD & shrooms & weed and consciousness expansion and all that beatnik & hippie stuff, OG Dr. Strange & Fantastic Four are PERFECT for you).
And of course it's been discussed to death how all of them and especially Spider-Man appealed so much to the youth as well as mature readers for being FLAWED heroes who acted like actual human beings who were fallible and worked to overcome internal personal issues & interpersonal issues (especially with The Fantastic Four who have always worked best when depicted as a true family) in addition to the external issues of evil villains committing crime and/or trying to take over/destroy the world/galaxy/etc.
Which was the exact *OPPOSITE* of the old late-1940s & 1950s & 1960s era of DC Comics' superheroes, who were depicted as infallible, square-jawed, gods amongst men & defenders of the status quo (which wasn't really how Batman or even Superman were depicted in the very late-1930s & the 1st half of the 1940s, og Superman was actually very progressive and used his more grounded & limited power to fight against corporate corruption and the powerful exploiting the unpowerful, but that changed by the post-WW2 era).
Also, one last thing: when you learn about the kind of person Steve Ditko, who created Spider-Man with some help from Stan Lee, was it becomes mind-blowing that Spider-Man became so beloved & lauded for being a realistic hero who had personal issues and a real life as a teen then young adult. Because Ditko was actually super into Ayn Rand & """Objectivism""" where there is no such thing as gray, only black & white good & evil and no in-between. The only reason he depicted Spider-Man as so realistic and conflicted and all that is because in his debut in Amazing Fantasy #15 & The Amazing Spider-Man #1 he was just 15 years old and thus wouldn't be mature enough to become either pure good or pure evil as Ditko thought all comic book characters should be. He wanted Spider-Man to develop into that type of character but mercifully left the series before he could turn Spider-Man into something like his favorite creation "Mr. A" would become. Just look up Steve Ditko's "Mr. A" to see what we narrowly missed Spider-Man turning into lolol!
Just...don't get an internment camp number for your X-Men tattoo. Yikes.
You pretty much nailed it. Every reason X-Men is amazing and worth reading/watching is in this video. I wish I could’ve been around during the peak years of X-Men (The 90s) cause everything about this team and their world is truly phenomenal.
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I think that the creation of the X-Men as an allegory for bigotry with Xavier and Magneto as MLK and Malcom X was a bit of historical revisionism. Stan Lee has said that the he created mutants because he got tired of coming up with origins; not to mention cross-pollination from the Doom Patrol being created across the street. If you haven’t read the first 66 issues of X-Men, I recommend them as they show a different side than most people know. While the themes of fighting bigotry, tolerance, and having to hide who you are (Jewish allegory then, LGBTQ+ allegory now), it seems kind of superficial in that the tolerance doesn’t extend to Beast’s treatment of Bernard the beatnik. The most troubling element is Factor Three. For the time, they seem to be a careful balance between criticism of actual Soviet exploitation of the civil rights movement without getting into Bircherism. In the modern context, they can easily be misread as an allegory for the alt-right Great Replacement theory. The messaging and themes of the X-Men as we know them today didn’t really become finalized until Claremont took over.
I thank you for this video!!!!
Yep
The video maker is the same guy who thinks that just because tattoos are sadly popular that they've always been that way from the course of human history. Newsflash: they weren't, And Chris Claremont himself has said the classic Martin Luther King Jr v Malcom X thing wasn't even on his mind till he heard it and just jumped on the bandwagon.
Xmen was original intended as a Metaphor for Jewish Struggle since the creators were Jewish themselves, Magneto and Professor X was inspired by Political Leaders from Israel.
Magneto was a holocaust survivor. Stan Lee said Prof. X and Magneto were written to be a version of MLK and Malcolm X. So they weren't inspired by jewish struggle. Unless you mean the Hebrew struggle. But yea....X-Men is cool.
@@OneMasterChiefNo, that's a misconception. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were definitely not thinking of MLK and Malcolm X when they created Professor X & Magneto. That's a parallel later writers came up with.
X-Men originally was just a plain old (LIGHT) allegory for the general Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and especially the 1960s, which wasn't JUST about ending racism & discrimination on black people but rather was a broad thing featuring many many groups and people who collectively sought to end all forms of racism and prejudice (though each group focused on their specific struggle like black groups and LGBT groups and Native American groups and Latino/Chicano groups and Asian groups and Jewish groups etc).
X-Men originally was just a plain old (LIGHT) allegory for the general Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and especially the 1960s, which wasn't JUST about ending racism & discrimination on black people but rather was a broad thing featuring many many groups and people who collectively sought to end all forms of racism and prejudice (though each group focused on their specific struggle like black groups and LGBT groups and Native American groups and Latino/Chicano groups and Asian groups and Jewish groups etc).
I have never seen anything saying Stan Lee and Jack Kirby based Professor X & Magneto on Israeli political leaders, and certainly not intentionally. I think you're misinformed there.