The priest was totally right, you don't have to fear when you read the word "discrimination", because that's what it is... Love is equally to everyone, the fact that you make a distinction between a close friend/family member and a stranger, that's the moment when you don't love... You discriminate two people just depending on how close is that person to you. Idk why people are so afraid to admit that fact.
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath could that mean not all discrimination is wrong? Obviously, discrimination based on race, class, species, etc. is wrong. But is discrimination based on love ok? I’m not even sure 😂
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath The priest is not saying that what you're talking about can/should be felt for everyone in the world. He's saying that the thing that you're talking about is not real love. It's just a feeling. A feeling that is actually mostly about yourself. "Whom we share our pain with, we grow up with them and hence we tend to love such persons more." - He's not saying that you should feel those things for strangers. He's saying that this isn't love, but tender feelings towards people you are attached to. That doesn't make those feelings any less precious or beautiful, but he's saying that this isn't what "love" really means. What he means is that "real love" is not an emotion, but a way of acting. A philosophy. A set of values. At the core of which stands, among other things, selflessness. And those feelings that you are talking about are not selfless at all.
I mean, the priest has a point. How can you call it "love" to murder a whole village of innocent people, children included, to save a person? You doing that is not "giving love" to the person you're saving. It's inflicting hatred on countless others to save what is yours. He's doing it for his own selfish reasons, because of what HE values most in life - even more than the lifes of countless other people. Sure the emotion Ragnar felt towards Canute is what we refer to as love. But do his feelings for Canute RESULT in love? In bringing love to the world, making it a more loving place? Is his love A FORCE of love? Quite the opposite...
@@aemeth5418 It's not really a misunderstanding... the author does intend to make this about the christian idea of love. The word "ai" is used because they don't have a word that specifically refers to that. Hell, even in english there's only the word "love", but it's used to refer both to the emotion, and christian love. This scene even doubts the common understanding people have of "love" (or "ai", in the japanese version) and seeks to establish its own definition.
@@aemeth5418 They don't misunderstand either, because the priest is talking about what "love" in a christian sense means, while most people use the word "love" to refer to the rather selfish emotion "love". And that's what the author intended to make it about. The reason he used the word "ai" for it is that that's the only available translation.
@@LGuiilhermee no he was literally saying that unconditional love is the only love and that 'conditional love' is discrimination. This is made very clear when he says that Ragnar doesn't love Canute.
ngl it’s kinda disappointing when his speech goes over people’s heads as “weird” or “depressing” like bruh 😐sorry it wasn’t sugarcoated to your liking it’s just raw and real. I went into this episode more interested in thorfinn vs throkell and wound up just wanting to hear the priest and canute talk.
@@Aeo267 yeah but thats kinda a different point. i mean more like his idea of what love is, or rather his idea of what humans think love is, is pretty accurate. whether humans are capable of real love or not, is a different question.
@@askechadd2473 Thats the whole point of the conversation tho. Then what is love? Love doens't exist anymore? How can u tell that what u have for someone is descrimination and not love?? Thats why i said its an opnion, not a fact. I'm not disagreeing with the priest about his opinion on unconditional love btw.
A True Warrior doesn't need a sword. Thorfinn didn't realize this, after losing his most loved one. He still fights with knives, with only revenge on his heart. Canute on the other hand, Realized what love is after losing his most loved one. He didn't need a sword to beat Borjn. He was a true warrior on that instance
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath Yeah I've heard 😌 It's thorfin's story afterall. but on THIS episode, on THAT instance, Canute was certainly a better character than thorfinn. It's obviously the prologue of course
@@potterjayan Of course there's holes in Canute's philosophy as well, hating God even in the metaphorical sense and attempting to shoulder all responsibility on yourself only ends in disaster as well.
The the concept of love is discrimination is actually a profound concept and what solidified the greatness of this show. Would you save 5 strangers or your mom? Most people will pick their mom because they love their mom. My interpretation of this is that not all discrimination is wrong. Obviously, other forms of discrimination is wrong (race, class, species). But what that priest was saying was actually true. I say this as an atheist.
Wilibald is pointing out the difference betwen the love of God which is unconditional, indiscriminate, and every other form which is conditional on some particular kind of relationship and liking/familiarity/attraction. Being a Christian priest as he is.
Kinda sad how nearly everyone just takes a story for face value rather than attempt to look what the theme conveyed is , here what they describe to be love is unconditional and indiscriminatory' itself' yet as long as one lived it is unattained , how the concept of afterlife in paradise needing to be attained through god's constant testing throughout life , when originally humans were expelled from that Paradise in the first place.
I think we all have an eye on this particular episode just to see how certain reactors take it and comprehend it. I wont front, Imon_Snow's reaction to that particular scene was one of the better ones i'd seen. Actual contemplation from what i remember.
Usually people don't understand priest's philosophy. It's a deep philosophy yet it is not hard to understand. If they take a second and think about it, it's not really that complicated.
You are right it’s not hard to understand at all but it is also not deep it is rather very simplistic and nothing to go crazy about like some people are in this comment section.
@@angelbedolla347 Yeah, some people just forget that they don't speak English in the series and it didn't refer to the English word "love" but the Japanese word "ai". This is more like the greco-christian term "agape" and it's a fairly simple concept.
In Christian theology, there are four kinds of love, each having their domains between the man (beast) in us and our transcendent selves (souls), Eros the passionate love, Storge, the familial love, Philia, the love of friends and comrades, and lastly the one that is beyond us, the one we have lost the ability to embody due to the original sin is called, Agape. Christian Theologists never really make any great distinction between the three loves, they all find it natural and important to human existence but they do make a distinction between the three loves and and the fourth, Agape. Agape, the unconditional love of God, one that is impossible for any man to achieve but must still seek to embody for the attempt alone leads the man closer to a life of meaning, peace, and true camaraderie with not just our material brothers but also our very own conscience, our very souls. It is the hardest love to embody since it is the one furthest away from our material being, we have no natural urge to aid us with it, no instinct for it, we only rely on our conscience to cobble together a vague idea of an ultimate undiscriminating love but it is worthwhile to pursue even if we stumble along the way for according to them, this love is the thing that would make us perfect not just in this world but in the next. This love is called Agape, God's love. That instinct, that natural urge to love indiscriminately, is what we have lost when our ancestors, adam and eve, disobeyed God and traded our natural affinity for Agape with earthly wisdom. There are many similar lines of thought all across the globe but i find the Christian explanation and depiction of this universal brotherhood, as the most tragic and beautiful of them all
i think most people's failure to comprehend this scene is due to the visceral distaste most people feel when eh priest challenges their value systems and feelings ...when he makes the viewer feel like loving your mom is discrimination (cause it is) most people's immediate reaction to that is NO! I love my mom fuck this noise... I've watched a lot of reactions of this episode and like 9/10 people don't get it mostly cause they stop trying the second the show challenges them I've even noticed a lot of reactors get emotional about it like the girl on the right in this vid
A Jarl is a scandinavian term for a duke or an earl. in fact the term Jarl become obsolute in the middleages where it was replaced with Duke. It's a person who rules a part of land instead of the king, so the king bequeathed land to the Jarl that they then have rule over. Of course the king is still above the Jarl in terms of power of the land.
The priest was putting into words, what Thors was trying to live by. Sure, Thors could have murdered Askeladd and half of his crew to save his friends and son - but he didn't. If Thors had led Askeladds army, he would have asked the peasants for food, maybe threaten them, steal some of it or take one of them hostage to force them to comply. He never would have allowed the killing of an entire village for them to have food and shelter. Rather he would have said they should try elsewhere.
I view the priests idea of love as in loving everything with no discrimination like the snow falls on anything and everything and doesn’t discriminate and I believe that’s what thors in his own way had found out and was the true definition of a warrior which is why the priest got wide-eyed when they talked about thors because thors loved everyone in that he wouldn’t kill anyone and he would just disable them and he saw all life as sacred
I started to like this show after this... This was a legendary episode Who would have ever in thier life, had a moment to think about the difference between love and discrimination
Such shallow minds. They're not even trying to understand the philosophy behind the priest's and Canute's words. "Is he going to kill him?". "Is he dying?". "Is he letting himself get killed?" Jesus fuck.
I took the priest's speech to ultimately mean that human beings stand apart from nature, which is God's kingdom. It's that ability to question the world around them and discriminate with their love that embodies our expulsion from paradise.
this gave me a new perspective on it thanks man. to think ive never thought about this even tho im reading the bible and trying to look at it as a "man vs god" story.
people are not mature enough to understand priest's definition of love. Love is not discrimination.. God loves everyone equally.. But humans love only a selected few people that is kind of a discrimination but you can keep spouting that I love this person that person.. You're actually discriminating against the rest of the existence.. for you someone is more valuable than other
Not many ppl understand the priest and what he was saying he was spitting some deep facts but a lot of reaction channels don’t understand it im not going to go over what he meant and what canute meant cuz a lot of other comments have explained it already
I think half of us were on board with it! Me personally, at first I thought I wanted it to be more gradual, but it makes sense now why it was a complete 180. -Sam
because it wasnt really done that well. this show is good and everything, but its also extremely overrated. it was a cool moment, but it also made zero sense. kanute just suddenly turning into a badass, who just with his black airforce energy can make a buff dude who has eaten one of these berserk mushrooms fear him? yeah sure....
@@kriegnes I mean thorkell can send horses flying and throw boulders single handedly, canute coming to realization kinda quickly about what’s going on around him and questioning it isn’t too far fetched. His character shift did happen quite fast, but not done well is far from what I’d say about it, his moment with ragnar and a talk with willibald questioning what he believes and everything happening around him to push him even further.
@@eetsua thorkell fits into the whole anime-power thing. thors is even stronger than him and other characters obey the anime rules too. like barely feeling any pain or being able to know what kind of damage you got from a fight. since thorkell is supposed to be the strongest (other than thors i guess) and is also based on someone who was really strong in reallife, i can excuse that. but the character development came just too quick. its just "bad writing". bad writing sounds kinda harsh, but idk what other word to use. even when people realise something, they dont just completely change their behaviour and everything. thats not how people changing works. its a process that takes time and they never really set it up. they didnt show canut questioning his religion or anything, he was just some dude who barely even talked and then he suddenly switched up, after simply having a conversation with his priest buddy.
The love which doesn't discriminate is God's love, which is the love which as a Christian priest he's looking for. He believes in it officially, because the Gospels talk about it, and identify Jesus with it, but he's struggling because he doesn't feel it and he hasn't seen it exampled by anyone he's met yet. He's kind of doing the Socratic method about it when other people ask him what love is. What Canute hasn't got, because he's had no-one in his life to explain it to him, is that the lack of love in men's hearts resulting from the Fall, from the sin of Adam leading to humanity being cast out of Eden, isn't a problem left hanging by God, but has been solved by Jesus in the crucifixion and resurrection, completing the process of redemption set in train through Abraham and Jacob and Moses and the prophets. The priest in these episodes hasn't been able to convey that because of his own weakness of faith and drunkenness. Canute is making this big decision that if God isn't going to fix mankind, then he's going to impose order himself as a king, except that the plan for fixing mankind is already in progress, he just has seen it yet because he's part of the Viking problem by birth. I get the feeling they're covering the theological coversation of the period, when Viking leaders were gradually being converted, but without being explicit with it.
The priest words was absolute... Facts But flat minds can't understand it cuz they think money is everything (for example) And who know some philosophy can understand it deeply
Priest's speech seems to always fly over a lot of people's heads when they hear it. He spoke nothing but facts. No one saying you're a bad person because you love someone you've known more in your life than someone you haven't (which technically is discrimination, just not the hateful kind the term is mostly used for), its' just that the true meaning of love is to give to something without the need to destroy/pillage it of its' beauty. And Canute being given the reality check that life is not all about being dependant on some benevolent being and taking matters into your own hands was very necessary for him to become the leader needed to face against his father. This show does so much justice tackling religious topics. DW about the backlash though, a lot that happens in this show never gets taken as deep as it's shown to most viewers. That's Vinland's rep for you
I do believe that the priest is 100% correct. Love is a form of discrimination between living beings (animals included). However, it is also impossible to ask for unconditional love to all and neither is it logical to do so. No one would prioritize the life of a stranger over the life of someone close to them (maybe depending on the context). The priest, when he heard about Thors not killing Askeladds crew, believe that Thors could have the love he was seeking since Thors refused to kill his enemies even though they were trying to kill him. However, that was the very mistake that he made. Had Thors been decisive enough to kill (he couldve easily killed them all) then the crew would have been safe. Imagine if Askeladd didnt have the honor to uphold the promise to leave the crew alone. Any other Viking crew would've taken advantage of Thors and after killing him, enslave the rest and sell them off. Then not only would Thors have died in vain but he basically ruined the life of his child (which is still plenty ruined right now). There are probably people like Thors in the world that try to love all as equally as possible but imo, it takes either a fanatic or a fool (or both) to do so. But everything the priest said was logically sound.
I always thought that about half of the reactors watching this episode didn't fully understand the dialogue between the priest and Canute, and I personally blame the translation of the certain word they chose in that instance. I would personally translate that word as "selectivity" rather than "discrimination" Also I will point out that "love" in the scene was portrayed in biblical sense, since they are Christians
discrimination is a fine translation, people are just generally uncomfortable with the idea that the priest put across. His idea was saying that we have preferential treatment of some people over others, meaning we treat some people different from others, which is what discrimination is, treating other people differently than some other people. The priest was saying that 'love' is the opposite of that, u love everyone equally and you don't discriminate between people by treating other people differently. The character who embodies that ideal in the show is Thors, which is why the priest perks up when he hears Askeladds men talking about what Thor did in ep 4, because he thought he heard about an actual human who embodies that ideal, instead of just dead bodies and nature itself which inherently can't discriminate and only shows 'love'.
The christian version of love is real love, because it's selfless. You're supposed to love other people because they are PEOPLE, because they have a human soul equal to your own - NOT because they're yours, because of what they mean to you, what they bring to YOUR world. How can you claim to love a person when the only thing that makes their value incommensurate to you is YOUR attachment to them? You "love" that person for yourself then. Because you value yourself so much over others, that your attachment to someone makes them "worth more" than everyone else. You only love them as an extension of yourself. Love (not the chemical cocktail we call love, but "love" as a force in human reality) for another person is acknowledging, recognizing and treating them as another human soul equal to your own. If you are capable of this, then this can never lead to you sacrificing other people for the ones you love - because they also are equal. The thing that makes you tip the scales towards the ones you are attached to is YOUR attachment to them. Them being YOURS. Not love. And that's a force of injustice. It IS discrimination. Obviously I do not embody this, I am selfish, flawed, and capable of evil. Like every person. But the first step of getting closer to love is acknowledging this. To judge yourself by a standard, a holy ideal you do not meet. And we should forgive ourselves and others for not meeting it, but we should always strive for it - while keeping in mind that we are flawed and imperfect.
@@mouseinthehouse_ there is, it's just some people doesn't know that. That's why in my opinion it would be easier to understand if they used the word I offered. But it's just my opinion, no need to get worked up about that
I mostly agree with the priest. He's speaking about altruism wich is love but not in its purest from but in the extreme form(I don't know if the definition when you translate from Spanish to English it's the same). Love IS discrimination, trying to separate discrimination from love and call it something good it's the part that I disagree with. Even when you love someone you discriminate between him or her, trying to make of him the best of what he could be. If god exists being him the embodiment of love as some preach means that he discriminate, he judge. Although some would say "But you would call it love when he let people be slaughtered? It's because he loves Canute but he isn't a good person like the priest is. But that got me thinking: Can people be the embodiment of love? And the answer is no, or at least no if you think on saving everyone while they "live", you aren't a god, but what could be the perception of god on what is life? How does he judge people? He judge people on thought or for their actions? If it's for their actions, How could he not know what his actions would be if he knows everything for the fact that he's god? Would that mean that he's not everything but we call him that because our human condition of not knowing what everthing is? And so on... There's a lot of cuestions you would need to do but so far I manage to think my head and guts tell me that I mostly agree with the priest but not with the prince. For a matter of definitions and I think this part got most people because that, the changue of definitions, in my house just two of us manage to realize that. Although it may well have been the translation. PD: I'm still learning English so I don't know if what I said can be undestood as I wanted..
What the priest is basically saying that human love is not indiscriminate love, which is in his opinion "pure love" or the love that Christ/God showed, so the world, God's creation, loves indiscriminately, it treats everyone the same but humans don't do this or, as he thinks can't do this. That's why when he hears the story of Thors and how he behaved he was so shocked because Thors really did exercise that "pure love" as a human in what he calls being a "true warrior" (well until he drew his sword against Askeladd, which is why Thors says he still hasn't mastered becoming a true warrior yet). It's a very interesting and profound perspective, some people hear him describe human love as discriminatory and feel like it's wrong or bad, but most human love is discriminatory and the priest isn't saying that's a bad thing just that it isn't like his concept of what true love is, the love that God shows, as it says in the Book of Matthew, "God makes rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous", this is the priest's point, God's love (true love) doesn't discriminate, it treats all the same.
I think Canute´s change is really well portrayed. He his whole life followed the set of rules of Bible in hope of reaching paradise. But all the fuc*ked up shit he saw made him dislike God for all the pain and hardship he is putting people through in the name of reaching paradise. In a way it also set him free of all the biblical rules. I think the interesting part is he is still the Canute that believes in God, but he no longer believes that God is on our side or that he loves us.As he sees God as sb who abandoned humanity, he now sees his role as sb who needs to step into the position of giving people´s lives meaning, which he is willing to take as a new King. Its sad but also I think it makes a lot of sense, coz how do you believe that all the death and pain is part of a journey to paradise? its really hard to believe that, i think it does make more sense in his mind that this is a punishment and God will never take us back to paradise.
What the priest meant by discrimination: There are things you would do for someone that you wouldn’t do for others or even for yourself. It’s something I’ve always asked myself. What is love? Is love a sacrifice? Is love a compromise? Or is love supposed to be selfish?
The concepts of Christianity (and other religions/philosophies) embodied in this episode completely went over their heads 😂 I thought this episode was fucking powerful, but they reacted like it was just "another cool episode." This really took the series to another level for me. But I'm sure if they continue watching, these themes will become more apparent, and perhaps rewatching an episode like this later will hold more water
Having witnessed a world where if you don't kill, you will be killed, they thought that it is difficult for people to embrace love. And today, I don't think we need to understand that "death makes people perfect". In their world, in a world where it is unthinkable that there is a human being other than the dead who has universal love, Canute embodied it in front of Bjorn and the priest. He believed in men, not in gods. Today, though to believe is difficult, it is by no means a miracle. excuse me for translation using google。_(._.)_
So the love that the priest talks about is a very christian way to view love (and I mean the actual teachings, not the interpretations that others take from it). It's a type of love that is selfless, and is given equally to those that love and hate you. Whether that type of live is human at all, I couldn't say. But it's impartial, and without prejudice. Giving priority to dome over others isn't THAT love, and as the priest says, on some level, it is a form of discrimination
u guyz dont appreciate shows....thats very disappointing...u guys talking only wanting to see thorfinn fight. U cannot see such a beautiful scene and explaination and views to things. Truly disappointing
It is only disappointing because you have the wrong expectations of people. Most people will not understand it, it requires a maturity and strong character for it.
@@3pleFly yes i agree....I wanted to see the acknowledgement of the masterpiece but i had wrong expectations from them....well since I was a teenager when I watched it and was able to understand what the show wanted to portray and was able to understand the layers of the show better I had hoped reactors (adults) would comprehend it better or atleast acknowledge it
I see a lot of people in here in this comments section I mean talking a whole lot of trash and why they don't understand it I think it's because they don't really go into it and by the way sorry for keep using the word day I'm new to this channel so I'm still learning names but it's either that they don't really go into it because they don't understand it or they don't want to understand it as if the priests is just being a simple-minded fool this is not the first time I've seen a RUclips channel reaction channel or some shit ike that not understand this philosophy but I've also seen quite a lot many that actually want to understand it but here's the other thing that always interests me is that they do understand it but they see what father Willibald is a is a bad thing as and loving someone is terrible
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Although I don’t agree with his (the father/priest? ) idea of love, but I think what he meant was, people should love others equally, but people usually love their son/wife/parents and they give them the privilege of love more than others, that’s why he is saying love is discrimination. I don’t agree though.
@@lurkingposter It’s like I don’t think loving your wife/parents/ children is a discrimination. It’s their right to being loved. The love you have for your family is different than the love you have for others. You can still love your family and also love your friends or love your neighbors. Each love is different but each love is equally significant and important. For example, just because you love your wife, doesn’t mean that you love your mother less. Or just because you love your mother doesn’t mean you love your wife less. They two are different yet equally significant love.
@@Flower-qq7je but the love you have for your family is justification enough to see other people's lifes like they were less? One life is more important than 64 just because the relation you have with it? At the end of they day, the love we all practice is discrimination and egoist wether we like it or not.
@@vichourrutia6026 Every life is important. Equally. Loving your family has nothing to do with seeing others life as less. Why would I see others life less?
The priest was totally right, you don't have to fear when you read the word "discrimination", because that's what it is... Love is equally to everyone, the fact that you make a distinction between a close friend/family member and a stranger, that's the moment when you don't love... You discriminate two people just depending on how close is that person to you. Idk why people are so afraid to admit that fact.
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath Yeah, but the priest is talking about the love that God is supposed to feel towards humanity, for him that's the true love
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath could that mean not all discrimination is wrong?
Obviously, discrimination based on race, class, species, etc. is wrong.
But is discrimination based on love ok? I’m not even sure 😂
@@100pmistry huge miss, you taking love and discrimination for face value. Go deeper into its meaning in this specific context
@@MrMaos97 ?
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath
The priest is not saying that what you're talking about can/should be felt for everyone in the world.
He's saying that the thing that you're talking about is not real love.
It's just a feeling. A feeling that is actually mostly about yourself.
"Whom we share our pain with, we grow up with them and hence we tend to love such persons more."
- He's not saying that you should feel those things for strangers.
He's saying that this isn't love, but tender feelings towards people you are attached to.
That doesn't make those feelings any less precious or beautiful, but he's saying that this isn't what "love" really means.
What he means is that "real love" is not an emotion, but a way of acting. A philosophy. A set of values.
At the core of which stands, among other things, selflessness.
And those feelings that you are talking about are not selfless at all.
Jesus, it's like all the deeper themes and meanings in the episode went 10,000 miles over their heads lol
Theyre reactors, its required to have 2 braincells otherwise youre not allowed.
RIGHT!!! ARE THEY BLIND AAAAAAA
They didn't understand a shiit. Sorry to say but this was the most important ep. And the priest's speech is the most important one.
I mean, the priest has a point. How can you call it "love" to murder a whole village of innocent people, children included, to save a person?
You doing that is not "giving love" to the person you're saving.
It's inflicting hatred on countless others to save what is yours.
He's doing it for his own selfish reasons, because of what HE values most in life - even more than the lifes of countless other people.
Sure the emotion Ragnar felt towards Canute is what we refer to as love.
But do his feelings for Canute RESULT in love? In bringing love to the world, making it a more loving place? Is his love A FORCE of love? Quite the opposite...
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It's just a misunderstanding. They talked about "Ai" which is a different concept from english word "love".
@@aemeth5418 It's not really a misunderstanding... the author does intend to make this about the christian idea of love.
The word "ai" is used because they don't have a word that specifically refers to that.
Hell, even in english there's only the word "love", but it's used to refer both to the emotion, and christian love.
This scene even doubts the common understanding people have of "love" (or "ai", in the japanese version) and seeks to establish its own definition.
@@Ynox54321 I meant the none japanese viewers' misunderstanding, not the author's
@@aemeth5418 They don't misunderstand either, because the priest is talking about what "love" in a christian sense means, while most people use the word "love" to refer to the rather selfish emotion "love".
And that's what the author intended to make it about. The reason he used the word "ai" for it is that that's the only available translation.
priest was speaking facts, whether you like it or not, its still right what he said. i love it when characters just spit some deep facts
It was not a fact i was an opinion. The priest was talking about unconditional love(i agree with him on that), not love in general.
@@LGuiilhermee no he was literally saying that unconditional love is the only love and that 'conditional love' is discrimination. This is made very clear when he says that Ragnar doesn't love Canute.
ngl it’s kinda disappointing when his speech goes over people’s heads as “weird” or “depressing” like bruh 😐sorry it wasn’t sugarcoated to your liking it’s just raw and real. I went into this episode more interested in thorfinn vs throkell and wound up just wanting to hear the priest and canute talk.
@@Aeo267 yeah but thats kinda a different point. i mean more like his idea of what love is, or rather his idea of what humans think love is, is pretty accurate. whether humans are capable of real love or not, is a different question.
@@askechadd2473 Thats the whole point of the conversation tho. Then what is love? Love doens't exist anymore? How can u tell that what u have for someone is descrimination and not love?? Thats why i said its an opnion, not a fact. I'm not disagreeing with the priest about his opinion on unconditional love btw.
A True Warrior doesn't need a sword. Thorfinn didn't realize this, after losing his most loved one. He still fights with knives, with only revenge on his heart. Canute on the other hand, Realized what love is after losing his most loved one. He didn't need a sword to beat Borjn. He was a true warrior on that instance
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath such a well written arc. i reread it often
@Bumblesnuff buffallobath Yeah I've heard 😌 It's thorfin's story afterall. but on THIS episode, on THAT instance, Canute was certainly a better character than thorfinn. It's obviously the prologue of course
@@potterjayan Of course there's holes in Canute's philosophy as well, hating God even in the metaphorical sense and attempting to shoulder all responsibility on yourself only ends in disaster as well.
@@potterjayan I mean better in what sense
which still doesn't make sense, Borjn should have teared him in half but all Canute needed was hands of love to control him 🤣
The the concept of love is discrimination is actually a profound concept and what solidified the greatness of this show.
Would you save 5 strangers or your mom?
Most people will pick their mom because they love their mom.
My interpretation of this is that not all discrimination is wrong.
Obviously, other forms of discrimination is wrong (race, class, species). But what that priest was saying was actually true. I say this as an atheist.
Wilibald is pointing out the difference betwen the love of God which is unconditional, indiscriminate, and every other form which is conditional on some particular kind of relationship and liking/familiarity/attraction. Being a Christian priest as he is.
@@patrickholt2270 yea, that too.
Kinda sad how nearly everyone just takes a story for face value rather than attempt to look what the theme conveyed is , here what they describe to be love is unconditional and indiscriminatory' itself' yet as long as one lived it is unattained , how the concept of afterlife in paradise needing to be attained through god's constant testing throughout life , when originally humans were expelled from that Paradise in the first place.
This comment should be pinned x2
I think we all have an eye on this particular episode just to see how certain reactors take it and comprehend it. I wont front, Imon_Snow's reaction to that particular scene was one of the better ones i'd seen. Actual contemplation from what i remember.
Yeah . One of the only reactors I've seen that actually saw the depth of what the priest was talking about was Semblance of Sanity .
@@onlyinbakedgoods4877 Imon is a queen LOL
Sad that this went over react pack's heads but not unexpected LOL
@@ColdWeatherr I mean everything goes over their heads tho
Usually people don't understand priest's philosophy. It's a deep philosophy yet it is not hard to understand. If they take a second and think about it, it's not really that complicated.
You are right it’s not hard to understand at all but it is also not deep it is rather very simplistic and nothing to go crazy about like some people are in this comment section.
@@angelbedolla347 Yeah, some people just forget that they don't speak English in the series and it didn't refer to the English word "love" but the Japanese word "ai". This is more like the greco-christian term "agape" and it's a fairly simple concept.
In Christian theology, there are four kinds of love, each having their domains between the man (beast) in us and our transcendent selves (souls), Eros the passionate love, Storge, the familial love, Philia, the love of friends and comrades, and lastly the one that is beyond us, the one we have lost the ability to embody due to the original sin is called, Agape.
Christian Theologists never really make any great distinction between the three loves, they all find it natural and important to human existence but they do make a distinction between the three loves and and the fourth, Agape. Agape, the unconditional love of God, one that is impossible for any man to achieve but must still seek to embody for the attempt alone leads the man closer to a life of meaning, peace, and true camaraderie with not just our material brothers but also our very own conscience, our very souls. It is the hardest love to embody since it is the one furthest away from our material being, we have no natural urge to aid us with it, no instinct for it, we only rely on our conscience to cobble together a vague idea of an ultimate undiscriminating love but it is worthwhile to pursue even if we stumble along the way for according to them, this love is the thing that would make us perfect not just in this world but in the next. This love is called Agape, God's love.
That instinct, that natural urge to love indiscriminately, is what we have lost when our ancestors, adam and eve, disobeyed God and traded our natural affinity for Agape with earthly wisdom.
There are many similar lines of thought all across the globe but i find the Christian explanation and depiction of this universal brotherhood, as the most tragic and beautiful of them all
i think most people's failure to comprehend this scene is due to the visceral distaste most people feel when eh priest challenges their value systems and feelings ...when he makes the viewer feel like loving your mom is discrimination (cause it is) most people's immediate reaction to that is NO! I love my mom fuck this noise... I've watched a lot of reactions of this episode and like 9/10 people don't get it mostly cause they stop trying the second the show challenges them I've even noticed a lot of reactors get emotional about it like the girl on the right in this vid
I didn't get it, but after Canute's speech it was kinda obvious.
A Jarl is a scandinavian term for a duke or an earl.
in fact the term Jarl become obsolute in the middleages where it was replaced with Duke.
It's a person who rules a part of land instead of the king, so the king bequeathed land to the Jarl that they then have rule over. Of course the king is still above the Jarl in terms of power of the land.
The priest was putting into words, what Thors was trying to live by.
Sure, Thors could have murdered Askeladd and half of his crew to save his friends and son - but he didn't.
If Thors had led Askeladds army, he would have asked the peasants for food, maybe threaten them, steal some of it or take one of them hostage to force them to comply.
He never would have allowed the killing of an entire village for them to have food and shelter. Rather he would have said they should try elsewhere.
I view the priests idea of love as in loving everything with no discrimination like the snow falls on anything and everything and doesn’t discriminate and I believe that’s what thors in his own way had found out and was the true definition of a warrior which is why the priest got wide-eyed when they talked about thors because thors loved everyone in that he wouldn’t kill anyone and he would just disable them and he saw all life as sacred
The man Thorkell killed was one of his own, they're the only ones left. All of Askeladd's men were already killed except for Torgrim.
And Atli, and Bjorn, and Thorfinn.
@@johncortez3716 I was referring to those who were actually involved in the battle between the two forces.
I started to like this show after this...
This was a legendary episode
Who would have ever in thier life, had a moment to think about the difference between love and discrimination
😆how did you feel about the show before this ep?
what? you didn't like the show before this episode? I mean the entire show has this whole philosophy throughout the season
@@Dell-ol6hb for me it definitely became better. I already enjoyed the show but after this episode i was fully in
Missed the whole gravity of this episode.
Went over all your heads lmao
Such shallow minds. They're not even trying to understand the philosophy behind the priest's and Canute's words. "Is he going to kill him?". "Is he dying?". "Is he letting himself get killed?" Jesus fuck.
i know these girls minds are too far up their ass. Good thing I am ugly.
Ngl the comments got me worried about incoming smoothbrain takes.
I took the priest's speech to ultimately mean that human beings stand apart from nature, which is God's kingdom. It's that ability to question the world around them and discriminate with their love that embodies our expulsion from paradise.
this gave me a new perspective on it thanks man. to think ive never thought about this even tho im reading the bible and trying to look at it as a "man vs god" story.
people are not mature enough to understand priest's definition of love. Love is not discrimination.. God loves everyone equally.. But humans love only a selected few people that is kind of a discrimination but you can keep spouting that I love this person that person.. You're actually discriminating against the rest of the existence.. for you someone is more valuable than other
13:44 "Cause Men suck" then immediately cuts to Eve eating the fruit lol
Love the wild relationship dynamics in this series. So many traumas stacked upon traumas. Feels so fresh, with all the big anime tropes out there.
Not many ppl understand the priest and what he was saying he was spitting some deep facts but a lot of reaction channels don’t understand it im not going to go over what he meant and what canute meant cuz a lot of other comments have explained it already
love your chemistry and comedy. But kind of a bummer that Canutes character developement went a bit misunderstood and underappreciated.
I think half of us were on board with it! Me personally, at first I thought I wanted it to be more gradual, but it makes sense now why it was a complete 180. -Sam
@@TheReactPack makes sense
because it wasnt really done that well. this show is good and everything, but its also extremely overrated. it was a cool moment, but it also made zero sense. kanute just suddenly turning into a badass, who just with his black airforce energy can make a buff dude who has eaten one of these berserk mushrooms fear him? yeah sure....
@@kriegnes I mean thorkell can send horses flying and throw boulders single handedly, canute coming to realization kinda quickly about what’s going on around him and questioning it isn’t too far fetched. His character shift did happen quite fast, but not done well is far from what I’d say about it, his moment with ragnar and a talk with willibald questioning what he believes and everything happening around him to push him even further.
@@eetsua thorkell fits into the whole anime-power thing. thors is even stronger than him and other characters obey the anime rules too. like barely feeling any pain or being able to know what kind of damage you got from a fight. since thorkell is supposed to be the strongest (other than thors i guess) and is also based on someone who was really strong in reallife, i can excuse that.
but the character development came just too quick. its just "bad writing". bad writing sounds kinda harsh, but idk what other word to use. even when people realise something, they dont just completely change their behaviour and everything. thats not how people changing works. its a process that takes time and they never really set it up. they didnt show canut questioning his religion or anything, he was just some dude who barely even talked and then he suddenly switched up, after simply having a conversation with his priest buddy.
You’re missing the point of what the priest was trying to say.
The love which doesn't discriminate is God's love, which is the love which as a Christian priest he's looking for. He believes in it officially, because the Gospels talk about it, and identify Jesus with it, but he's struggling because he doesn't feel it and he hasn't seen it exampled by anyone he's met yet. He's kind of doing the Socratic method about it when other people ask him what love is.
What Canute hasn't got, because he's had no-one in his life to explain it to him, is that the lack of love in men's hearts resulting from the Fall, from the sin of Adam leading to humanity being cast out of Eden, isn't a problem left hanging by God, but has been solved by Jesus in the crucifixion and resurrection, completing the process of redemption set in train through Abraham and Jacob and Moses and the prophets. The priest in these episodes hasn't been able to convey that because of his own weakness of faith and drunkenness. Canute is making this big decision that if God isn't going to fix mankind, then he's going to impose order himself as a king, except that the plan for fixing mankind is already in progress, he just has seen it yet because he's part of the Viking problem by birth. I get the feeling they're covering the theological coversation of the period, when Viking leaders were gradually being converted, but without being explicit with it.
Great episode. A disappointing reaction.
What an odd comment
yeah a bunch of dumbheads looking at it so surface level. its obvious they're here to milk us.
The priest words was absolute... Facts
But flat minds can't understand it cuz they think money is everything (for example)
And who know some philosophy can understand it deeply
If so ,Americans will never understand
Priest's speech seems to always fly over a lot of people's heads when they hear it. He spoke nothing but facts.
No one saying you're a bad person because you love someone you've known more in your life than someone you haven't (which technically is discrimination, just not the hateful kind the term is mostly used for), its' just that the true meaning of love is to give to something without the need to destroy/pillage it of its' beauty.
And Canute being given the reality check that life is not all about being dependant on some benevolent being and taking matters into your own hands was very necessary for him to become the leader needed to face against his father. This show does so much justice tackling religious topics.
DW about the backlash though, a lot that happens in this show never gets taken as deep as it's shown to most viewers. That's Vinland's rep for you
THE PRIEST IS NOT TWISTED...
DEATH IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING IN LIFE
I do believe that the priest is 100% correct. Love is a form of discrimination between living beings (animals included). However, it is also impossible to ask for unconditional love to all and neither is it logical to do so. No one would prioritize the life of a stranger over the life of someone close to them (maybe depending on the context). The priest, when he heard about Thors not killing Askeladds crew, believe that Thors could have the love he was seeking since Thors refused to kill his enemies even though they were trying to kill him. However, that was the very mistake that he made. Had Thors been decisive enough to kill (he couldve easily killed them all) then the crew would have been safe. Imagine if Askeladd didnt have the honor to uphold the promise to leave the crew alone. Any other Viking crew would've taken advantage of Thors and after killing him, enslave the rest and sell them off. Then not only would Thors have died in vain but he basically ruined the life of his child (which is still plenty ruined right now). There are probably people like Thors in the world that try to love all as equally as possible but imo, it takes either a fanatic or a fool (or both) to do so. But everything the priest said was logically sound.
I always thought that about half of the reactors watching this episode didn't fully understand the dialogue between the priest and Canute, and I personally blame the translation of the certain word they chose in that instance. I would personally translate that word as "selectivity" rather than "discrimination"
Also I will point out that "love" in the scene was portrayed in biblical sense, since they are Christians
discrimination is a fine translation, people are just generally uncomfortable with the idea that the priest put across. His idea was saying that we have preferential treatment of some people over others, meaning we treat some people different from others, which is what discrimination is, treating other people differently than some other people. The priest was saying that 'love' is the opposite of that, u love everyone equally and you don't discriminate between people by treating other people differently. The character who embodies that ideal in the show is Thors, which is why the priest perks up when he hears Askeladds men talking about what Thor did in ep 4, because he thought he heard about an actual human who embodies that ideal, instead of just dead bodies and nature itself which inherently can't discriminate and only shows 'love'.
The christian version of love is real love, because it's selfless.
You're supposed to love other people because they are PEOPLE, because they have a human soul equal to your own - NOT because they're yours, because of what they mean to you, what they bring to YOUR world.
How can you claim to love a person when the only thing that makes their value incommensurate to you is YOUR attachment to them?
You "love" that person for yourself then.
Because you value yourself so much over others, that your attachment to someone makes them "worth more" than everyone else.
You only love them as an extension of yourself.
Love (not the chemical cocktail we call love, but "love" as a force in human reality) for another person is acknowledging, recognizing and treating them as another human soul equal to your own.
If you are capable of this, then this can never lead to you sacrificing other people for the ones you love - because they also are equal.
The thing that makes you tip the scales towards the ones you are attached to is YOUR attachment to them. Them being YOURS. Not love. And that's a force of injustice. It IS discrimination.
Obviously I do not embody this, I am selfish, flawed, and capable of evil. Like every person. But the first step of getting closer to love is acknowledging this. To judge yourself by a standard, a holy ideal you do not meet. And we should forgive ourselves and others for not meeting it, but we should always strive for it - while keeping in mind that we are flawed and imperfect.
There was no problem with the translation. You should have been taught in school that there is both positive and negative discrimination.
@@mouseinthehouse_ there is, it's just some people doesn't know that. That's why in my opinion it would be easier to understand if they used the word I offered. But it's just my opinion, no need to get worked up about that
No Discrimination is the right word. When you place the life of one Prince over a village of 60.You are discriminating in favour of the Prince.
My favorite episode. Big Canute Energy
海外の視聴者の間では不評ですが、日本人の間では非常に評価の高いエピソードです。作者はキリスト教信者ではないが事前に勉強し、このキリスト教の考察を作品に見事に落とし込みました。キリスト教ではない日本人だからこそ先入観を捨てて作ることができたストーリーとも言えると思います。
The priest words went right over all the females heads
I mostly agree with the priest. He's speaking about altruism wich is love but not in its purest from but in the extreme form(I don't know if the definition when you translate from Spanish to English it's the same). Love IS discrimination, trying to separate discrimination from love and call it something good it's the part that I disagree with. Even when you love someone you discriminate between him or her, trying to make of him the best of what he could be. If god exists being him the embodiment of love as some preach means that he discriminate, he judge. Although some would say "But you would call it love when he let people be slaughtered? It's because he loves Canute but he isn't a good person like the priest is. But that got me thinking: Can people be the embodiment of love? And the answer is no, or at least no if you think on saving everyone while they "live", you aren't a god, but what could be the perception of god on what is life? How does he judge people? He judge people on thought or for their actions? If it's for their actions, How could he not know what his actions would be if he knows everything for the fact that he's god? Would that mean that he's not everything but we call him that because our human condition of not knowing what everthing is? And so on...
There's a lot of cuestions you would need to do but so far I manage to think my head and guts tell me that I mostly agree with the priest but not with the prince. For a matter of definitions and I think this part got most people because that, the changue of definitions, in my house just two of us manage to realize that. Although it may well have been the translation.
PD: I'm still learning English so I don't know if what I said can be undestood as I wanted..
What the priest is basically saying that human love is not indiscriminate love, which is in his opinion "pure love" or the love that Christ/God showed, so the world, God's creation, loves indiscriminately, it treats everyone the same but humans don't do this or, as he thinks can't do this. That's why when he hears the story of Thors and how he behaved he was so shocked because Thors really did exercise that "pure love" as a human in what he calls being a "true warrior" (well until he drew his sword against Askeladd, which is why Thors says he still hasn't mastered becoming a true warrior yet). It's a very interesting and profound perspective, some people hear him describe human love as discriminatory and feel like it's wrong or bad, but most human love is discriminatory and the priest isn't saying that's a bad thing just that it isn't like his concept of what true love is, the love that God shows, as it says in the Book of Matthew, "God makes rain fall on the righteous and the unrighteous", this is the priest's point, God's love (true love) doesn't discriminate, it treats all the same.
The things some characters be saying are deep af 💀💀💀
I think Canute´s change is really well portrayed. He his whole life followed the set of rules of Bible in hope of reaching paradise. But all the fuc*ked up shit he saw made him dislike God for all the pain and hardship he is putting people through in the name of reaching paradise. In a way it also set him free of all the biblical rules. I think the interesting part is he is still the Canute that believes in God, but he no longer believes that God is on our side or that he loves us.As he sees God as sb who abandoned humanity, he now sees his role as sb who needs to step into the position of giving people´s lives meaning, which he is willing to take as a new King. Its sad but also I think it makes a lot of sense, coz how do you believe that all the death and pain is part of a journey to paradise? its really hard to believe that, i think it does make more sense in his mind that this is a punishment and God will never take us back to paradise.
Lmao the priest is spitting nothin but facts lmao this small section is my favorite in the whole show and your missing the point entirely 🤣☠️
Lmao don’t even wanna watch the rest lmao 🤣☠️
@@tristengonzales8937 lmao lmao lmao
Lmao I agree .
13:58 American woman saw this and said "nice" 🤣
Bjorn is not pronounced with a "J" sound. It sounds like an "I". It would sound more like Bee-orn.
King = president Jarl= state governor
Materialistic lifestyle foggs the mind, the girl on the far right dosen't understand because she lives in the void.
people understand closer to death
What the priest meant by discrimination: There are things you would do for someone that you wouldn’t do for others or even for yourself. It’s something I’ve always asked myself. What is love? Is love a sacrifice? Is love a compromise? Or is love supposed to be selfish?
The concepts of Christianity (and other religions/philosophies) embodied in this episode completely went over their heads 😂 I thought this episode was fucking powerful, but they reacted like it was just "another cool episode." This really took the series to another level for me. But I'm sure if they continue watching, these themes will become more apparent, and perhaps rewatching an episode like this later will hold more water
Having witnessed a world where if you don't kill, you will be killed, they thought that it is difficult for people to embrace love. And today, I don't think we need to understand that "death makes people perfect".
In their world, in a world where it is unthinkable that there is a human being other than the dead who has universal love, Canute embodied it in front of Bjorn and the priest.
He believed in men, not in gods.
Today, though to believe is difficult, it is by no means a miracle.
excuse me for translation using google。_(._.)_
"what? who is he doing that?"
A true warrior doesn't need a sword
The prince unlocked his "Conqueror's Haki".
So the love that the priest talks about is a very christian way to view love (and I mean the actual teachings, not the interpretations that others take from it). It's a type of love that is selfless, and is given equally to those that love and hate you. Whether that type of live is human at all, I couldn't say. But it's impartial, and without prejudice. Giving priority to dome over others isn't THAT love, and as the priest says, on some level, it is a form of discrimination
Its a long shot but, you girls should react to 1998 Berserk. Its an old anime but, its definitely a classic masterpiece.
1997*, but YES they should
Im sure the reactions would be disappointing but nothing against the god tier series!
the guy looks like a mii character
u guyz dont appreciate shows....thats very disappointing...u guys talking only wanting to see thorfinn fight. U cannot see such a beautiful scene and explaination and views to things. Truly disappointing
It is only disappointing because you have the wrong expectations of people. Most people will not understand it, it requires a maturity and strong character for it.
@@3pleFly yes i agree....I wanted to see the acknowledgement of the masterpiece but i had wrong expectations from them....well since I was a teenager when I watched it and was able to understand what the show wanted to portray and was able to understand the layers of the show better I had hoped reactors (adults) would comprehend it better or atleast acknowledge it
Love is and always will be discrimination. End of story.
You guys ask so many pointless questions.
What a pointless comment
@@peterlyov3445 what a pointless response
"I know that because of Skyrim" is my response to most things lmaooo
I've heard the same thing in one piece if anyone ever watched one piece here deaf is what complete a person.
13:50 lol
watch to "Kakegurui", which is said to turn gay for everyone who watch it. So far, there are Season 2.😁
you should react to AnoHana 🥺😭
Just one more episode haha. Can’t wait.
The priest spitin
And again another reactor group misses the point
not me waiting them reacting to the new demon slayer trailer🧍🏻♀️
bjorn is spelt as byorn
Yes! I waiting for this ep
I see a lot of people in here in this comments section I mean talking a whole lot of trash and why they don't understand it I think it's because they don't really go into it and by the way sorry for keep using the word day I'm new to this channel so I'm still learning names but it's either that they don't really go into it because they don't understand it or they don't want to understand it as if the priests is just being a simple-minded fool this is not the first time I've seen a RUclips channel reaction channel or some shit ike that not understand this philosophy but I've also seen quite a lot many that actually want to understand it but here's the other thing that always interests me is that they do understand it but they see what father Willibald is a is a bad thing as and loving someone is terrible
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anime: GTO
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Although I don’t agree with his (the father/priest? ) idea of love, but I think what he meant was, people should love others equally, but people usually love their son/wife/parents and they give them the privilege of love more than others, that’s why he is saying love is discrimination.
I don’t agree though.
What do you disagree with?
Yeah, what exactly don’t you agree with?
@@lurkingposter It’s like I don’t think loving your wife/parents/ children is a discrimination.
It’s their right to being loved. The love you have for your family is different than the love you have for others. You can still love your family and also love your friends or love your neighbors. Each love is different but each love is equally significant and important.
For example, just because you love your wife, doesn’t mean that you love your mother less. Or just because you love your mother doesn’t mean you love your wife less. They two are different yet equally significant love.
@@Flower-qq7je but the love you have for your family is justification enough to see other people's lifes like they were less? One life is more important than 64 just because the relation you have with it? At the end of they day, the love we all practice is discrimination and egoist wether we like it or not.
@@vichourrutia6026 Every life is important. Equally. Loving your family has nothing to do with seeing others life as less. Why would I see others life less?