What would have been a good and valid further experiment would have been to flush out the batteries and refill them with the original acid, then tested them to see how much of the batteries' original capacity had been lost, and whether or not the batteries would have once again been able to start the car. You never know, those batteries may have been entirely recoverable, or very nearly. Go on guys, I dare you, repeat this experiment and then restore the original chemistry - See what happens next?!
I'm thinking the acidity isn't concentrated enough. Batteries are 30-40% sulfuric acid, and fresh lemon juice that hasn't been concentrated is likely the 5% acidity ballpark I would guess. Slowly evaporating off some excess liquid and increasing the concentration of the citric acid might work better. I would probably try draining those batteries and refill with the concentrated juice.
Unfortunate that this was from 2019, so that's alot of work to go through again, since they'd need to recreate the initial setup (charging them with lemon juice).
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know why they're not charging. I use to work at a lead acid battery factory. The negative plate loves organics in the lemon liquid but the positive plate absolutely does not like organics in the lemon juice. It's literally killing the positive plate. Just FYI
Knowing very little about this I was wondering if some kind of barrier similar to oxidation was forming on the cathode or anode. Thanks for the insight.
@@dubskulls9554Both the positive and negative plate are in the same acid bath. They cannot be separated because the acid itself is what act as a transfer medium for the electric charge. To simplify, the acid is kinda like a wires in a circuit. If wires are disconnected, the circuit will not work, right?
Yes, that would increase voltage, but it would also reduce current. Remember, the total short circuit current of all six batteries in parallel was only 18 amps. That's enough to run the headlights, but won't even turn a starter motor, never mind, crank an engine.
@@russelllopez4171 That would actually work! The Lemons could charge the capacitors over an hour or so, so the capacitors can produce the enormous current needed for the few seconds it takes to start an engine.
100% It totally works too! I had 3 flat batteries (1 in my car) and i put 2 in series making 18v and it started the car no worries 👍 Ford 4 litre straight 6. I got at least 20 jump starts out of my make shift battery
Too much lemon juice and too short charging time... You also need to use lower charging current with a new battery. Old school mechanics use capacitor to help the battery accept charge.
i wonder if you dump them out, rinse them with distilled water, and then refill with battery acid if they will work again? I would give it a shot since you probably got the acid in one of those filler gizmos when you bought the batteries 😉
That would increase voltage, but would also reduce available current. Remember, all six batteries in parallel only managed a short-circuit current of only 18 amps. Series-paralleling the batteries for 24 volts, would cut that current to a mere 9 amps.
@@vincentrobinette1507Ohm's law only works when using Ohmic resistance and it probably won't apply for that set up. I wanted to see it tried, then finally I'd like to see them all in series. It's not a great deal more effort.
It's Russia use potatoes, copper, and magnesium. It will work. Each cell will provide a potential 1.5 volts at 300ma each potato 🥔 😀 100 potatoes approximately 30amps if everything is setup well
That would work to charge a proper battery over a long time, to store enough energy for the high current for the few seconds it takes to start an engine.
I want to see Garage54 reverse the GagFilms “Insane Car Battery Hack” by taking the housing of an OEM car battery and filling it up with AA batteries, wired appropriately. How many times can you start with car with several hundred AA batteries?
If the batteries are ruined, then you may as well put 2 in series to see if you can bump the voltage up to 12v? With a flat battery in my car, I used 2 flat car batteries in series to get my total voltage to 18v and that cranked my 4.0L straight 6 over many many times? I think it was near 20 cranks before the voltage sagged and it struggled to start? I would also try connect 1 battery to your charger as the charger is distributing the amps over the batteries in parallel, so that will make each battery charge very very slow? Some battery chargers need to see a minimum amount of voltage before the charger will charge at the full amps? Put 1 battery on the charger and then use a fully charged car battery positive to positive (making only 2 batteries in parallel - 1 fully charged the other 1 of your lemon batteries) the fully charged battery should bump the voltage up on the lemon battery and allow the charger to charge at full amps 👍 Very last thing is to try a different battery charger with different modes on it? Select the recondition mode and try changing the battery? I have 2 chargers at home and 1 of them will error out and not charge the battery if it's too flat; the other charger with the various modes on it, will charge the battery that wouldn't charge on the other battery charger? I hope you get to try these tips and one then helps.....I really want to see you start the car with a lemon battery breaking bad style hahaha
I would save those batteries, dump the lemon juice out and try it again when concentrated lemon juice. Think about the concentration of sulfuric acid in the battery. If the lemon juice were concentrated to the same acidity, it might work better. Would be cool to see lemon juice or vinegar at a similar or greater concentration. Maybe even 40% might be more ideal. If you can drain those, you might be able to reuse them. Anyway still a cool experiment. Love you guys.👍
The juice is the problem, because it's juice, made up with water, sugars, fibre from the lemons, and in there is the citric acid which is what makes the batteries "work", boiling the juice down, filtering out the fibre and somehow separating out the sugars would yeild a useful amount of citric acid, which would very likely get the batteries working, of course, it'd be easier just to get a tub of citric acid, make up a saturated solution of it in distilled water and you're off the the lemon races... :P
They can't power a starter/solenoid because they were wired wrong. You need around 11.5v-14v to run those things, but still a good amount of amperage. So maybe try it like this: two sets of batteries - each set has 3 batteries wired in parallel. Now wire the two sets in series, about 15v. That probably would have at least turned the starter that was outside the engine.
@@user-qi9be4lv7l The day when my friends were buying EVs. I set them all down, asked one simple question. Where does the electricity come from? Some were Clueless. Others made up their own stories. 75% Fossil fuels. The entire EV movement is a Hoax a Scam. Makes no sense at all. If anything, Hybrid.
You should try to use a solution of lemon salt instead - You can mix the right amount whatever acid concentration you need. Can we replace a lead-acid battery with a Lithium-Ion battery instead?
OK so after talking to ChatGPT it seems that "During discharge (when current is drawn), sulfuric acid dissociates into ions, facilitating the flow of electrons and generating electrical energy." and that lemon juice, while acidic, is not reactive enough to provide enough ions. This implies it would cause a bottleneck for the electrons, which makes sense since you are seeing voltage and SOME current flow, but not as much as you would get from the more reactive sulfuric acid for the same volume of liquid. SOLUTION: A lot more batteries. You can also do a "bank" of a few batteries in series to increase the voltage, and then combine the banks in parallel to divide the current draw between them
Actually you can get a lot closer to sulfuric acid performance by making a saturated solution of sodium sulfate and aluminum sulfate for the electrolyte. It makes 2 volts per cell and has decent capacity and performance. and can provide power for at least some time. You can just use one car battery instead of a bank of small ones. it works ive tried it.
Don't even compare a bulb to a starter motor. You need roughly 100x more power for it ;) Now why it doesn't work well: the orange juice contains some citric acid that theoretically should do the job, but also water and other chemicals. It may be too weak (acid concentration too low), then - the other, not very conductive or reactive impurities might cover the electrodes and introduce resistance. The resistance is the worst thing because it means a huge loss of power when a heavy load (as a starter motor) is connected. Well, the lemon juice works as "battery acid", but pretty poorly.
Wouldnt the liquid jumping over to the other cell be causing a short?. Be why your getting spuracted voltage drops. The expanshion of liquids means theres less space in the meaning there is to much acid.
Fitting these batteries to brand new vehicles in the USA, could lead to mass consumer rejection / buy-backs of vehicles............. Due to the LEMON laws 😂
I think you should have left them on charge much longer to give them a chance to get fully charged. 6 batteries even with acid would take a long time to charge with that small charger.
You maybe able to wash out the batteries with distilled water and then fill them with sulfuric acid 🤔🤔that would be cool to see do you think you could make another video of that to see what happens?
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When life gives you lemons make batteries 😂
Cave Johnson ?
Attemp to make them. 😂
And put them all in series, maybe use citric acid in higher concentration.
Enjoy !
What would have been a good and valid further experiment would have been to flush out the batteries and refill them with the original acid, then tested them to see how much of the batteries' original capacity had been lost, and whether or not the batteries would have once again been able to start the car.
You never know, those batteries may have been entirely recoverable, or very nearly.
Go on guys, I dare you, repeat this experiment and then restore the original chemistry - See what happens next?!
I'm thinking the acidity isn't concentrated enough. Batteries are 30-40% sulfuric acid, and fresh lemon juice that hasn't been concentrated is likely the 5% acidity ballpark I would guess. Slowly evaporating off some excess liquid and increasing the concentration of the citric acid might work better. I would probably try draining those batteries and refill with the concentrated juice.
I agree but they do return to ideas they come up with routinely.
Unfortunate that this was from 2019, so that's alot of work to go through again, since they'd need to recreate the initial setup (charging them with lemon juice).
Yeah I'm pretty sure I know why they're not charging. I use to work at a lead acid battery factory. The negative plate loves organics in the lemon liquid but the positive plate absolutely does not like organics in the lemon juice. It's literally killing the positive plate. Just FYI
I wonder what would happen if you put lemon in the negative and just water in the positive 🤔
Knowing very little about this I was wondering if some kind of barrier similar to oxidation was forming on the cathode or anode. Thanks for the insight.
@@dubskulls9554Both the positive and negative plate are in the same acid bath. They cannot be separated because the acid itself is what act as a transfer medium for the electric charge. To simplify, the acid is kinda like a wires in a circuit. If wires are disconnected, the circuit will not work, right?
so, do you think it would work better if the citric acid were distilled from the lemon juice, and then added to water to make the acid bath?
its base charge is the 8 volts measured when the juice was entered
When life gives you lemons, don't make car batteries.
You need to put some in series and some in parallel to get more volts and more current.
exactly. 2 in series and 2 in parallel would have done the trick
I wonder if they could use the lemons to charge a super capacitor, then start the car
Yes, that would increase voltage, but it would also reduce current. Remember, the total short circuit current of all six batteries in parallel was only 18 amps. That's enough to run the headlights, but won't even turn a starter motor, never mind, crank an engine.
@@russelllopez4171 That would actually work! The Lemons could charge the capacitors over an hour or so, so the capacitors can produce the enormous current needed for the few seconds it takes to start an engine.
100%
It totally works too! I had 3 flat batteries (1 in my car) and i put 2 in series making 18v and it started the car no worries 👍
Ford 4 litre straight 6.
I got at least 20 jump starts out of my make shift battery
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Too much lemon juice and too short charging time... You also need to use lower charging current with a new battery. Old school mechanics use capacitor to help the battery accept charge.
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Maybe concentrating the juice would help
That's what I was also wondering 🤔 does that increase acidity?
You guys forgot the sugar.
salt*
is a better conducting substance.
@@VintageCR he had lemonade in mind
And vodka
@@qoph1988 oh yeah, screwdriver cocktail battery
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Should have put the lemon juice through a coffee filter then into the battery. CHUNKS😂
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Charging lemonade love it 🤣
These dudes got more time in their hands than they know what to do with
i wonder if you dump them out, rinse them with distilled water, and then refill with battery acid if they will work again? I would give it a shot since you probably got the acid in one of those filler gizmos when you bought the batteries 😉
More batteries and a few in a row! I want to see them starting a motor!😆
Hello. i watch from Canada! I Love your channel, keep the episodes coming, maybe yuo can do something like and Lada 4X4 Remote Control crawler
Wire them in series, or 2 parallel banks in series?
That would increase voltage, but would also reduce available current. Remember, all six batteries in parallel only managed a short-circuit current of only 18 amps. Series-paralleling the batteries for 24 volts, would cut that current to a mere 9 amps.
@@vincentrobinette1507Ohm's law only works when using Ohmic resistance and it probably won't apply for that set up. I wanted to see it tried, then finally I'd like to see them all in series. It's not a great deal more effort.
It's Russia use potatoes, copper, and magnesium. It will work. Each cell will provide a potential 1.5 volts at 300ma each potato 🥔 😀 100 potatoes approximately 30amps if everything is setup well
That would work to charge a proper battery over a long time, to store enough energy for the high current for the few seconds it takes to start an engine.
Im sure vodka would have been better
I’m surprised you didn’t hook them up in series to boost the voltage
Interesting experiment
Can you send link to that charger
Will this rejuice the voltage?
Great idea to charge a phone in a survival situation.
You won't need a phone in the time this will be needed because there won't be any service
All I need is to carry around 50 pounds of lead everywhere I go. Oh, and 300 lemons.
@@GarrisonsMadHouse6200 Starlink satellites in the sky say otherwise.
@@truthsmiles Heres an idea juice the 300 lemons and do some manual labor to build muscle so you can carry a few 9 pound moto batteries.
Did you try concentrating it by condensing it to strengthen the acid? (Evaporate the water out)
Not acid enough. Try 2 in series to double the voltage then wire each pair in parallel for your current.
That would cut the available current from 18 amps, to just 9 amps.
I want to see Garage54 reverse the GagFilms “Insane Car Battery Hack” by taking the housing of an OEM car battery and filling it up with AA batteries, wired appropriately. How many times can you start with car with several hundred AA batteries?
That’s a lemon battery! It didn’t work well.👋😂👉🍋🔋
A great video idea is comparing hp and fuel efficency with using different octane fuels
Connecting the batteries in parallel increases capacity, connecting them in series increases voltage.
How to destroy six motorcycle batteries with this one simple trick!
Well that was an interesting experiment. May I suggest you empty out the lemon juice and refill with battery acid. Just a thought😀
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I like how they try even if it doesn't work, хороший характер 😊
Did you filter the lemon juice?
Thank you BMI russian .. nice voice over
I have heard that stuff that make pickle juice have great results
I thought you were going to try this on a car battery and test drive it.
Youre meant to also charge them ye geese
If the batteries are ruined, then you may as well put 2 in series to see if you can bump the voltage up to 12v?
With a flat battery in my car, I used 2 flat car batteries in series to get my total voltage to 18v and that cranked my 4.0L straight 6 over many many times? I think it was near 20 cranks before the voltage sagged and it struggled to start?
I would also try connect 1 battery to your charger as the charger is distributing the amps over the batteries in parallel, so that will make each battery charge very very slow?
Some battery chargers need to see a minimum amount of voltage before the charger will charge at the full amps?
Put 1 battery on the charger and then use a fully charged car battery positive to positive (making only 2 batteries in parallel - 1 fully charged the other 1 of your lemon batteries) the fully charged battery should bump the voltage up on the lemon battery and allow the charger to charge at full amps 👍
Very last thing is to try a different battery charger with different modes on it? Select the recondition mode and try changing the battery?
I have 2 chargers at home and 1 of them will error out and not charge the battery if it's too flat; the other charger with the various modes on it, will charge the battery that wouldn't charge on the other battery charger?
I hope you get to try these tips and one then helps.....I really want to see you start the car with a lemon battery breaking bad style hahaha
Try to evaporate water to make it more potent so you will have more energy to store
It's a interesting experiment if you failed on your chemistry class.
I would save those batteries, dump the lemon juice out and try it again when concentrated lemon juice. Think about the concentration of sulfuric acid in the battery. If the lemon juice were concentrated to the same acidity, it might work better. Would be cool to see lemon juice or vinegar at a similar or greater concentration. Maybe even 40% might be more ideal. If you can drain those, you might be able to reuse them. Anyway still a cool experiment. Love you guys.👍
The juice is the problem, because it's juice, made up with water, sugars, fibre from the lemons, and in there is the citric acid which is what makes the batteries "work", boiling the juice down, filtering out the fibre and somehow separating out the sugars would yeild a useful amount of citric acid, which would very likely get the batteries working, of course, it'd be easier just to get a tub of citric acid, make up a saturated solution of it in distilled water and you're off the the lemon races... :P
do it with different fluids like Soda tea or even beer?
Def in a battery
Put two pare in series.
Make an electric Lada using car batteries and starter motors
starter motors are not designed to run for extended periods of time, especially under heavy load like that. they would burn up pretty quickly.
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Use it in series to get higher voltage
They have lemons in Chelyabinsk?😅
Are you seriously running them in parallel hoping to multiply volts you have to run them in series LOL
The last dry motorcycle battery I bought, it was already pre-charged, before I added the electrolyte, as it said on the packaging.
Make 20 sets of these connect in series/ parallel and see if it will start a car
You should have boiled the juice down to make more concentrated
They can't power a starter/solenoid because they were wired wrong. You need around 11.5v-14v to run those things, but still a good amount of amperage. So maybe try it like this: two sets of batteries - each set has 3 batteries wired in parallel. Now wire the two sets in series, about 15v. That probably would have at least turned the starter that was outside the engine.
You should turn a Lada into an EV lol
put a lada engine in a tesla better
All homemade batteries
Screw all EVs. All are garbage.
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@@user-qi9be4lv7l
The day when my friends were buying EVs. I set them all down, asked one simple question. Where does the electricity come from? Some were Clueless. Others made up their own stories.
75% Fossil fuels. The entire EV movement is a Hoax a Scam. Makes no sense at all. If anything, Hybrid.
Should have wired them in a combination of series and parallel to make the output 14v. I think you might have had a chance that way.
If you can test bardahl - full metal?😀
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Come to the US and our battery charger are the size of a welder, go to Russia and they figured out how to make a book sized battery charger.
Should have run pairs in series and each of the pairs in parallel. They could have easily gotten to over 12V with good current.
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Connect them in series
When cells overflow there is electrolytic coupling between them and that can ruin the voltage/amperage
Great experiment. Remove the citrus , rinse the battery plates and refill with H2SO4 and see if the batteries still work.
try to put parallels of 2 in series, it will give about 18v
You should try to use a solution of lemon salt instead - You can mix the right amount whatever acid concentration you need. Can we replace a lead-acid battery with a Lithium-Ion battery instead?
can you build a car with a carburetor for each cylinder
Should be able to wire 3 sets of batteries in series to get 14v and wire the 3 sets of batteries together in parallel to get more power
OK so after talking to ChatGPT it seems that "During discharge (when current is drawn), sulfuric acid dissociates into ions, facilitating the flow of electrons and generating electrical energy." and that lemon juice, while acidic, is not reactive enough to provide enough ions. This implies it would cause a bottleneck for the electrons, which makes sense since you are seeing voltage and SOME current flow, but not as much as you would get from the more reactive sulfuric acid for the same volume of liquid.
SOLUTION: A lot more batteries. You can also do a "bank" of a few batteries in series to increase the voltage, and then combine the banks in parallel to divide the current draw between them
Actually you can get a lot closer to sulfuric acid performance by making a saturated solution of sodium sulfate and aluminum sulfate for the electrolyte.
It makes 2 volts per cell and has decent capacity and performance. and can provide power for at least some time.
You can just use one car battery instead of a bank of small ones. it works ive tried it.
Don't even compare a bulb to a starter motor. You need roughly 100x more power for it ;) Now why it doesn't work well: the orange juice contains some citric acid that theoretically should do the job, but also water and other chemicals. It may be too weak (acid concentration too low), then - the other, not very conductive or reactive impurities might cover the electrodes and introduce resistance. The resistance is the worst thing because it means a huge loss of power when a heavy load (as a starter motor) is connected. Well, the lemon juice works as "battery acid", but pretty poorly.
you should try boiling them with a welder to bring them back to life
Yes you can have voltage. But also amperage is important.
should be charged much longer to work properly and activate
You might need a ton more batteries in parallel to get the cranking amps for the starter motor.
how about if you put together 3+3 batteries in series? at least you would get higher voltage, maybe the starter motor would react?
try vinegar?
Or salt water?
Suggestion: Transaxel as transfer case.
Should have tried Gatorade. I've heard that stuff's full of electrolytes. I'm sure it would work great.
They should try giving them electrolytes to plants
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@@eddiewillers1 I came here to make the exact same comment! 😀
Wouldnt the liquid jumping over to the other cell be causing a short?. Be why your getting spuracted voltage drops. The expanshion of liquids means theres less space in the meaning there is to much acid.
you might get better luck with onion juice
Try half lemon juice half distilled water
Citric acid vs sulfuric acid lol
This is from 2019!?
Onion juice 👍
Try Vodka in the battery!
Should have tried white vinegar
After you fill a dry battery you should charge it.
Fitting these batteries to brand new vehicles in the USA, could lead to mass consumer rejection / buy-backs of vehicles............. Due to the LEMON laws 😂
Try flushing the lemon juice out and use the battery acid to see if they will recover
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try putting 2 in series and the rest in paralel
I think you should have left them on charge much longer to give them a chance to get fully charged. 6 batteries even with acid would take a long time to charge with that small charger.
You maybe able to wash out the batteries with distilled water and then fill them with sulfuric acid 🤔🤔that would be cool to see do you think you could make another video of that to see what happens?