I love how the only examples for them are NaverNow (pre-recorded) and Dingo.🤣 Even if Solar's Speechless from the YT video is used, you'd see comments from the YT saying the LIVE version of Yong's performance sounded so much better than the video that was posted, with heavy tuning and backtrack. Yong even posted an a cappella version on her channel after the event. 🤣
The fact that Dreamcatcher's live vocals could still be heard over the loud backtrack just proves that they are pushing hard to get their voices out even with all their difficult choreography. I could clearly hear SuA and Handong over the backtrack
exactly, it shows how good their vocal projection is and lets us know that they’re doing their best to sing live despite the loudness of the backtrack and especially since so many companies are forcing idols to lipsync. :))
Bang Chan talks about this video in Chan's Room VLive ep141 towards the very end! He explained some definitions in depth and said you got most of the situations right. He was really sweet about it ^^
@@binniminnie Why because it called fans out? You guys are the delusional ones who call lip sync live and make idols afraid to perform. You guys are the ones settings this ridiculously high standard.
I don't think lipsyncing is bad especially if your choreography is dance heavy. At the same time, it's also amazing if they can sing their songs with raw and live vocals.
@@bobthebuilderday6leader doing a backflip with a very high high note doesn't sound human if you don't hear at least one voice crack and yeah people expect idols to not sound out of tune if they do backflips and other hard stuff
@u-ae-na ikr like a voice crack is unexpected and doing a backflip without a voice crack plus high note is either pre-recorded or lip synced because I don't even think it's safe to do so
mamamoo has shown their live is good as studio (of course lot times these programs dont allow singers to sing live as they want keep sponsors and fans happy): here is mamamoo vocals comparing ruclips.net/video/a5xvypD6lVY/видео.html
Yeah true, I prefer raw vocals. If it comes with some mistakes it doesn't matter to me, I love to listen to live singing because sometimes imperfections better the song. (Not limited to mamamoo)
and also they didnt completely clean hwasa voice, cuz i can clearly hear her rusty voice from her sick, i think they're onky slightly clean and change they're voice but still got wromg for both hwasa and moonbyul
there r so many idols who clearly dont need autotune or lipsync on most of their stuff, but they cant decide whether or not its on it. taeyeon, wendy and mamamoo are prime examples of people who can slay live, so it sucks that they really dont have a choice when it comes to lipsyncing on music shows and award shows 😕
If they're in choreo based performance, then doing lipsync is logical & fine. Don't treat it like it's a bad thing. Sometimes it's necessary for their own comfort & health.
@@resurgingflame yeah its necessary if its about health. But some idols will be way too healthy they could live for 500 years due to never singing live.
@@straykidsworlddomination492 we arent safe. not even small accounts are safe. skz sees everything. EVERYTHING what stays do. i am not joking at all. there are so many proofs you can say that yes idols do see all the things fans do. i am damn sure he even watches the opinion videos. kutubers ones and the amount of negativity towards skz. i can tell that hes things affect chan a lot. he can only hold it back.
@@Danna-ek5hq yup. He sees all the hate going through here.. I just hope that he will be good and he will not pay much attention. Probably he is seeing this video and this comment too rn.
@@nehalmittal2288 Yes, you're right, I mean that's the main reason why I'm scared, the fact that Chan is always in everything, and that not everything is good.
honestly with the way kpop is i don’t mind lip syncing during promotion but ONLY for the first few performances. for the first few performances you want to see the choreo and get the overall feel, especially with 4th gen but after that we should get proper vocals. they’re idols, it’s literally their job to sing. it’s like company’s actively work against letting their idols sings and it’s worse when you can see that the idol is really trying to be heard over the backtrack. it especially bugs me when it comes to SM cause like ??? you’re known for vocals, let your artists sing. it’s like they’re trying their absolute hardest to hide aespas vocals for literally no damn reason. and red velvet!?! i’m so mad
It used to be like that a few years ago. The first week was always lip sync for the special stages to show off the dance and outfits, Then the next 1-2 weeks were strictly live. After the pandemic company's completely switched over so pre-recorded performances since there was no longer an audience. Fans don't even notice so I don't see them going back anytime soon. Less than a handful of idols are putting out live stages on Inkigayo, Music bank, the show etc.
Making them do it just the first few performances is not ideal AT ALL. It'd be just a few times once in a while, esp during heavy schedules. Also I don't get this kind of mindset. Their job is to sing yes. But their another job is also to dance, rap & doing the best performance they can do. They can still sing when doing non-choreo performance, does that not count? Lipsyncing doing heavy choreo should be excused. Bcus our lungs aren't build to do 2 highly demanding tasks at the same time anyway. On top of that doing it repeatedly all year along. SM artists lipsyncing doesn't disprove them being good with vocals. PROPER & HEALTHY technique can ONLY be achieved while the singer is relaxed with proper posture. U can't do that while dancing. So this really doesn't prove anything. This video should open y'all eyes that lipsync is more common that u might think. There's a REASON why it existed in the first place & it's not bcus of laziness & lack of creativity at all. Instead of trying to understand them, u guys put them in even higher pressure like??
@@resurgingflame The purpose of this vid ist not to criticise idols but to show the differences between eddited vocals and live singing since fans nowadays are so used to autotune that they refuse to believe its not live. Using autotune is fine but companies should not lie about it. There are many cases where the idol just sits while singing but they still use autotune and claim it "live"
@@resurgingflame being an idol literally mean you have to know how to sing AND dance at the same time. They shouldn't be doing it all the time, but it's their job description! A lot of people can dance and sing separately, but if they can't do both at together then they don't qualify to be an idol. It's as simple as that.
@@shanliekpop yeah i think the beginning of 2019 marked a clear difference with the approach to live performances, and the pandemic made it worse. Before that mcountdown used lip sync and it nearly always had the most "fancy" performance, the other programs were more focused on live singing.
People need to realize that sometimes even the artist doesn’t sing live on stage, it doesn’t mean they are bad and everything, due to lot of circumstances like intense choreography or the shooting with different camera cut, they need to prerecord, and auto tune isn’t even just about correcting it adds effect on the vocals actually. ANYWAY IT’S ALWAYS GOOD TO EDUCATE YOURSELF 👍🏻😉
Often their promotion periods are so intense it would be hard to sing live constantly anyway! IVE have been heavily promoting one song for 2 solid months, they’d never get through that without lipsyncing at least a little bit (or a lot a bit).
And people also need to realize that the kpop industries also rely most on visuals and presentations (choreo, stage presence, etc), so there's plenty of 'vocalists' position that are lacking in, well... vocals, to begin with. (Except the main vocal position, 80% of 'em are such good singers istg-) It's funny how some fans want them to be perfect and sing live every single time yet when they do, the recognition is not always there... 😞
I love watching MAMAMOO's performances because of that. They love to play with the backtrack, sometimes not bothering to sing the actual lines, but use that time to interact with audiences or play with ad-libs instead, because they know we know they always sing LIVE (whenever possible). :)
they aren't bad in everything, but for me is hard to see that kpop turned just a Dance and beauty thing. Just vocal, beautiful vocals with simple coreos are not longer enought, so if they don't dance so well, but have good voices they are shut down, and kicked out the industry, 'cause they can "fake" singing things but not other skills.. but they're music groups, so I'm really upset.
16:19 whoever did that to moonbyuls voice should be fired. Her deep voice in the live is so much cooler and smooth. So obsessed with her new solo lunatic, you guy's should check it out. On a final note the autotune in Mamamaoo at the end seriously sounded so trash, it's scary to think people's ears are SO USED to that robotic noise they didn't even catch ho unnatural it sounded before posting it on youtube. Fans in the comments on Dingo didn't catch it either...
mamamoo has shown their live is good as studio (of course lot times these programs dont allow singers to sing live as they want keep sponsors and fans happy): here is mamamoo vocals comparing ruclips.net/video/a5xvypD6lVY/видео.html
Lucy I got into them a bit because of my friend but some of my favorite songs are Flower, Jogging and I got You but I found it cool because one of the members play violin drums and a guitar I just find them really cool because there’s not many groups like that
If people listened to everything Chan said, not just short clips or sentences, you'll know he wasn't hating on the video. He agreed with a lot of it, clarified and contextualised a lot of things. He disagreed with calling some of those lip sync, but he also knew why it could be considered that if their live vocals are not very audible under the pre rec track. No need to get up in the arms. It's because ppl are so sensitive about these things that more idols can't be open about it. We're so lucky to have Chan spill these backstage side things, it's a shame ppl don't actually hear what he's saying and take things out of context. The only thing is, as a Stay that watches pretty much all of their stages, the pre recorded ones or the ones where the backing track completely overpowers all of them are very few, you almost have to hand pick them. That much I can confidently say. There's a ton more Thunderous stages, their first one on the Kingdom week show thing is my least fav for obvious reasons Also congrats to the creator being featured on Chan's room. It's a feat in any case and they did put a lot of work into the vid so... (Changbin's flow is indeed insane 😉)
@@skzftw2489 I agree that was unnecessary but it wasn't insulting skz...I feel like Stays are mad bc well, they're who the creator is laughing at there. It's fair to be hurt, but it's not fair to act like the creator dragged skz. Basically, be mad in your own right, but don't act insulted in skz's behalf to "protect" them. Chan can and did stand up for himself just fine without snapping at anyone
@@tired690 yeah bcs im sure kpop twitter is like that only bcs of the newer stans💀and it was a stupid comment of theirs,if i wanna comment on it i will lmao
I'm glad that Mamamoo Solar had been casted in Musical Mata Hari as Female Lead a few months ago where she was able to performed raw vocals and gained more experiences & skills as a Music Artist...She's been praised for her prowess in that show even it's her first time doing Musical...After the Musical, Solar's latest performances showed so much improvement in her vocals...
Chen always sounds amazing, even with a sore throat, he sang without retreat: on the lower notes he sounded hoarse, but on the high notes he was very effective. He is the best vocalist in Exo for a reason.
There's not much of a difference between SKZ' and Dreamcatcher's live and pre recorded vocals tho, with live there's just some breathing can be heard and some adlibs and that's all. Ugh my girls Dreamcatcher needs some recognition too, guys here, check them out.
Man, all of them are really good singers, some really want to be heard and sing like Ningning but their companies, music shows and the whole industry wants a perfection that doesn't exist and does that when they're already so incredibly good..
I can't imagine myself in the place of the idols who actually love singing like u worked hard, u're successful but u're real voice has barely been heard I would feel incomplete
The only time skz mic is off is when they record a music video. Some producers ever suggested them to lipsync during a show, but they always refused the idea.
The way the editor using Sua and Handong's voices to show that they're not that different from autotune version. I knew it Handong and Sua are so stable in live
wow I'm so proud of bangchan for watching stuff like these on his lives and explaining everything and stuff... like I watched this video a hour before chans live and I was so surprised
*YG is wasting BLACKPINK'S time and talent, BLACKPINK can absolutely sing live without being unstable, the fact they don't even need autotune they sound so great at live* 💯❤
Girlie came for entire kpop industry not just your faves so don't start calling her a hater she is just speaking the butter truth your problem if you can't handle it . Anyways stan itzy and stayc Edit : yes bang chan watched this video am dpicked it apart but you forgetting what he said at the end he said and I quote 'you got most of it correct but tuning and lipsync is a bit confusing stats stop shitting on her she is a human being I am seeing death threats stop it you are being bratty and horrible Edit : chris also only talked about Stray kids not the other groups
To me voice modifications and lip'sync aren't a problem for a group until they 1.Never sing live bcs of it 2. Don't use it sparingly for when an idol is sick (check hwasa part of the vid) or when technical issues happen. 3. Add an unnecessary backing track while editing. 4. Royaly fork up the voice modifications. Basically, voice editing and lip'syncing only become a problem when they're used as a way to "cheat" instead of being used as a last record tool.
@@miyamura_kin9349 Unfortunately, a lot of kpop fans don't think like u & instead treated this thing like it's a disease that their faves can't have. Eventho lipsync is necessary for them to do sometimes & majority of them didn't always do it all the time anyway.
it's super weird seen idols talk openly about this kind of things I really appreciate the way chan talks and explains a lot of things. he was also very respectful with your video .
as a long fan of Taeyeon, it actually made me so disappointed that SM (or the broadcasting company) made her lipped all her Weekend performances when she can do it perfect without that anyway. Also fought over someone who believed the performances was 100% live and start arguing how she's a great singer so she definitely sing live... hope people realize someone being a great singer can coexist with them also lipsyncing some stages (which is also understandable as long as it's not all the time)
For real. I was so excited when I knew she's gonna promote weekend on music shows (since her last promotion in 2017) just to know all her performances were not live vocals.
@@siapool no because that's true as hell, people make me feel guilty cause they make me feel like I'm hating the artists when I'm just pointing out facts😭😭
I always wanted to say this: Stray Kids tries in almost every performance to sing at least over half of the lines live, but then there's the extremely loud backtrack over it, making me sooooo freaking angry at the music show that features their performance. They WANT to sing live, but why is it, that you can't just let their voices be without the heavy backtrack? Another thing I wanted to point out is that in the collaboration performances (recent one: 'Tiger' cover with Lee Know, Jungwoo, Moonbin etc.) the high notes that we can hear are *prerecorded*! I'm always getting so angry when there's some delusional fans praising their stable live singing, when it - frankly speaking - is lip-sinc. That can be because they are forced to lip-sinc or to have a heavy autotune or backtrack over their voices, but also just because they dance too hard and it would be too difficult to maintain a decent live while performing. All I said is not in the slightest bit because of hate, it's just stating facts. We all know that idols are capable of singing live or else they wouldn't have been able to debut, but what lots of fans want is PERFECTION. And sorry not sorry, this kind of *perfection* doesn't exist and leads to more and more performance without hearing our idols precious voices (and their human-like breathing, which I have NOTHING against lol)
Don't forget that lee know had 4 performance at that day at the same event and he collapsed after performing tiger inside so I think it's reasonable that he wasn't singing live bcs in the end idols are also human + from what I see, stays are praising lee know for taking the high notes part (even if it's recorded) since his position in the group is main dancer, not vocalist
@@سلم-ظ8ي yeah...I saw how he collapsed and my heart simply broke for him. He did a great job and I never said anything against that (I would never offend my ultimate bias), it's just that I saw lots of people in the comments talking about their 'stable live' and I really can't count how much I rolled my eyes at this. Why can't they just accept that they did well and instead of praising their singing that wasn't live, just praise everything they actually did. It feels as if they're focusing on the wrong thing instead of focusing on the thing they actually did (and quite well at that) like stage presence, dance and co. They should just accept the facts, since lip-sinc is NOT something bad at all... especially since the tiger choreography was very intense.
The thing with backtracks is , yes them being louder than the artists voice is annoying, but it really helps , for example if the singer is out of breath , they can pause and let the backtrack take over , especially when the choreo is hard , which is the case with Straykids
So true! More reason why I against if Idol only depend on lipsync. It's okay if doing it sometimes, but if it is done everytime, I'm afraid that it could impact into the artist confidence. And the fans will always ask for perfection from their artist, while just like what you said, perfection is never existed. And what happen now, when the artist voice cracked, netizen will mocked on them. While the Idol not always on good condition, and every member have their own role, not everyone there is lead vocal. More reason for them need more experience to sing on stage, because it is something that will get better by more experience. Forbid them to singing live only forbid them to improve. And yes, I prefer raw voice or just slightly edit. I don't like autotune tbh.
WOW !!! Dreamcatcher is really amazing ! 😱😱😱 When I close my eyes and listen to them perform live, auto-tune, and lip-sync, I feel almost the same. Even the members of Dreamcatcher in the video are not the main vocalists. They are the main dancer, lead vocalist, and main rapper. All members of Dreamcatcher are queens of vocal, dance and rap ! Thanks. From N.Y.
The “It's Live” youtube channel kind of annoys me. They autotune every single performance but the channel name misleads ppl into thinking they're pure live vocals, especially with the live band in the back. I wish they didn't do that
Wow that intro was the clearest explanation of all the trickery in Kpop music. Gosh I don't even hate autotune, I think it sounds really cool. But for the love of god can they stop calling it LIVE when it's not?!?! People say autotune can't fix a bad voice but it really can. It can completely change's your voice into something else. It can turned a strained high note into an angelic falsetto When I listen to BTS music these days I barely recognize their vocals they're autotuned is so strangely by bighit.
Dreamcatcher always make sure to give us live stages which I'm very happy about. I don't mind backtracks on live dancing stages as long as we can hear their voices over it! Even their sub vocalist have improved so much and gets to sing belting parts. Except for the very last two girls, Sua (the first girl) and Handong (the second girl) and Jiu (the third girl) are all sub vocalist!! Also their lead vocalist Yoohyeon could be a main vocalist easily. Tbh I don't understand why they didn't just do two main vocalist like Seventeen has because that would make more sense..
Just to clarify... Siyeon is the main vocalist. JiU and Yoohyeon are leads. The rest are subs. But that's just based on their positions in this group. As has been stated, Yoohyeon could be the main in just about any other group.
idk how Chan found this so fast but well, if y'all want to hear an explanation about it from the idol himself go watch Chan's Room ep 141 he explained it in details.
Fans who either want to flex or are triggered by this video completely ruin the comment section. This video shows us how the industry is fooling us. Basically no one is a vocal king or queen in every performance and that's normal. Every idol lip sync, use autotune ect at some point.
EDIT: lol you guys need to calm down do I need to post Chans reaction live on here? Half of you didn't even watch his video XD He was super sweet and amazing (I can't believe he saw this). He literally agreed with almost everything except my overly simplified term of autotuned because there are a million different things you can do with that software. *He literally said at **10:10** in his Vlive "Yep thats pre-recorded" and the rest are live or live with backtrack.* I made sure to list all the groups and songs this time so you guy's know what music/ albums to looks for ;) many of these are some of my favorite songs. I always get so many comments from people saying "X" doesn't lips sing or "X" doesn't know autotune and then use that as an excuse to hate other groups. These people completely missed the point. We're talking about Kpop as a whole, none of our faves are special snowflakes. Idols are all made on the same conveyer belt. These videos aren't about individual groups, they're about the industry pushing standards to an inhumane level that no real artists can achieve. The problem is when the audience begins to think a fake voice is a real voice.
Hey I was just wondering if you could a performance or two from seventeen next time? Cause I'm really curious to see which stages could be autotuned/lipsync.
There are people who think idols are singing live while doing back flips on stage. I didn't know the audience would be that dumb to not know what a live vocal sounds like. "My expectations for you were low but holy F"
The industry is so trashy istg. 80% of the people in the video don't even need voice modifications. The raw and flawed voice is so much better imo. Also I hate how they keep putting a backing track when editing a performance that is trully live. Even singers with great live vocals can't escape the unnecessary editing and backing track now.
I love ATEEZ’s approach and will always say that they sound the exact same live and recorded. They spoke about this in their WIRED interview. Also heard them in concert and it was immaculate, Jongho’s mic broke and the audience could still here him belting.
@@SD-eo8bx I didn't understand if you were only talking about Seonghwa's high note in Utopia or their concerts as a whole. I only watched clips of the high note so I can't fully be sure it was or wasn't pre-recorded but what I know is that fans and journalists present alike have said that ATEEZ were most of the time live, with back-up that weren't overpowering except when the intensity of the songs required it
This is a must watch video for EVERY kpop fans. This video has educated me a lot about real live stage vs autotuned. Thank you for making this compilation btw
maybe try to watch chan latest live to differentiate between lipsync, autotune, backtrack, a tune and pre record. Atleast chan is actually in the industry ^^
very clear demonstration but i would prefer "post-processing" over the term "autotune" since people often associate autotune with bad singing (which is not the case).
Came here from Bang Chans vlive. Love his transparency and his explanation. Also check out the comments. I saw a sound engineer stay backing up his explanation
Im just here because of Bang Chan ,whether they sing live, autotune or lip sync , it doesnt matter , i still stan them, they are gem , multitalented group, , they are all good they make their own music , they give their best effort , why dont we just appreciate them ☺️
Not an EXO fan, im more on a lowkey bgs fan, but I can say EXO have the best set of vocals in all the bgs I have heard. Aside from Day6 who is a band, Exo have the lots of it. Baekhyun, DO, Xiumin, Chen and suho.
Finally someone acknowledging Suho as part of the vocal line his vocals are amazing but his voice is also unique and it sounds sweet but people always focus on Chen, D.O, Xiumin, and Baekhyun
I agree with most but with aespa i do believe that it’s pre recorded rather than the official track. there are minor differences in how they approach the ‘im a savage’ Karina’s is more squeaked out and the savage is pronounced differently. But i do think they only have one pre recorded and that’s the only one they use. Same with Ningning’s note, the pre recorded version is sung way lighter whereas in the official track the approach is heavier
I think ateez are amazing, vocals and rappers probably one of the most amazing groups out there, incredible stage presence, expresions and very stable in live performances, amazing vocals and rap and all of them are super amazing dances.
I'm happy to finally watch Dreamcatcher on this kind of video. As a somnia, I know that many of us are always this proud of how good they sing whenever they perform, but it somehow makes me sad if my co-somnia said that this/that performance is live, where it is not totally like that. They maybe recorded it while dancing simply, then the record got processed or something to put into another round of performance while they still sing live(but sadly, it wouldn't be much of what we hear, or nothing at all). I'm not an audio engineer or something, but I can hear clearly the differences of sounds and I'm not delulu. But I would like to say, Dreamcatcher's talent and hardwork is what makes them more deserve for recognition when it comes to performances. I just can't wait for every waiting old and new fans to meet them on in person concert.
I'm late. But Insomnia should understand they need backtrack to support consider how hardcore their choreo are. No one could ever sing so perfectly with those kind of exhausting choreos. However, they always try to deliver their best. Many times I can clearly hear their vocals above the loud backtracks. And I think they also sing live when they don't have to perform. Dreamcatcher never disappoints.
@@christellet3922 most of the promotions of boca (not sure if all of them) were live with backtrack which means her high note was live and it was amazing
This is still pretty simplified. You can have any combination of these and adjust how much effect you want applied. For example, louder live vocals over a backing track with slight reverb. Technology today allows for more options for live effects than pitch correction and reverb. If it's done well, it enhances the performance, for example, smoothing vocal shakiness caused by intense choreo while still allowing the artists' vocals to be prominent. When done terribly, a live performance can appear lip-synced. Unfortunately, guests of music shows often don't have control over how things are mixed.
What about the live vocals here? seems like little adjustment..they let them sing live for most part…3 of the girls sang completely live while dancing too. ruclips.net/video/eOEqAbS1Exk/видео.html
See? Our idols CAN sing, it's just that the industry's obsessed with the "must-be-perfection" vocals So let's get over toxic arguments because they all lip-sync but are able to sing live (not perfectly but definitely not bad)
So, for all fans from any fandom, please dont blame the artist and compare or drag each group just to show off your fav group skill, all the shows have standard for the performances, and maybe that is one of the reason why they use autotune preset, just enjoy the show and performance, if you dont like it, just skip it
@@kindarealstellar I'm not trying to drag other members down .. normally we call jihyo, jeongyeon and nayeon as 3 mixx inside the fandom if you don't know . I was just praising tzuyu for her improved vocals .
Like 90% of them didn’t need the fucking autotune, swan from purple kiss sounded so robotic when she Sang her line , that guy from lucy sounded perfect and so did the rest of them LIKE THEY DONT BEED THE AUTOTUNE WHOS GONNA TELL THEM
Not sure how many people saw it but dingo actually uploaded the raw totally live version of mamamoo's medley originally (most likely an error on their part) before changing it to the autotuned version. This proves mamamoo did sing totally live (and slayed it esp wheein's adlibs in decalcomanie omgg) but the channel edits the clip post recording which is totally outside of mamamoo's control.
Bruh I can't believe Bang Chan found this video so soon after it was posted. hello Also I love that you added Lucy in here :] I love their music so much 💞💕💞
I feel extra bad for the main vocalist they are usually the most bashed and ignored idols like lia was shitted on to hell and back because of a few unstable lives and everybody and their mothers were like yeji should have been the main vocalist ignoring the fact lia is the only one in the group with actual support even now that she has proven their worth her hard work and talent is still ignored and don't get me started on jeonyeon and how much mistreatment and hate (for her body wtf) she has been dealing with for years
So true please. Jeongyeon is the second most stable member of TWICE. She has a beautiful voice with a good support. But the thing is that JYPE dosen't let her show her talent and that upset me so much. Even before her break, she was never first on a tt or anything. I mean yeah, she shine in b-sides but title tracks, nothing. The amount of hate that she get for her body istg this show the true sides of k-pop fans, y'all are fucking hypocrite. And i hate those videos where they show the before after of an idol if they gain weight or lose, like stfu??? Let them breathe. And for Lia,her voice is so unique. She has an amazing voice and it feel like she give those fresh breathes in their songs. I hope people will more recognize her talent because she is an amazing vocalist but she really did improve in dance without dance training. She is amazing and i'am really proud of her. So stfu haters.
@@istaben8585 you put my feelings into words they neglected one lead vocalist (jeonyeon) and over strained the other (nayeon) and even jihyo look at her in 2016 2017 she was body shamed so bad and was mostly underrated but once she started dancing harder and had a 'glowup' (she was always a beauty) she was noticed so much and the funniest shit is now that she has regressed in vocals jeonyeon, the girl who hardly sings is the best vocalist in twice . All the twice vocalist were treated bad some way or the other imo
Itzy sing live like 90% of the time and they have probably one of the hardest choreography. I feel bad for Lia cs she the only one in itzy who isn’t apart of the dance-line (she also have anemic) and isn’t as stable as the other. But kpop stans need to understand *stable≠vocal technique*
How many came here after Chan explained the terms Autotune, prerecorded, live , backtrack and the significance behind each of them, so kindly in such great details… Stan Channie with the biggest golden heart ❤️
purple kiss has amazing vocals but that one video idk which channel did that but the autotune was so heavy when their radio show and live performances were just fine without any autotune
as a MY sometimes i ask myself if they really do live stages ): after watching them singing live few times it's strating to bother me, mostly because i know the talent and power they hold but somehow SM decided to not let aespa sing completely live during promotions, honestly i don't know whether they are singing live or not, specially during 'dreams come true' other MY's keep saying that the stages are completely live but because they are so stable they claim other people think they are lip syncing since others can't believe how stable they are, at this point i don't know who to believe, i don't think i've seen a live stage from aespa so far, if there is then props to them for being incredibly stable and barely get out of breath, i love their voices and who they are but since their job is singing and performing i really hope SM will let them perform at least a live stage for once, they are good at singing so why are they so afraid to show how good they are? ):
If you have doubts if the performance is live then it's probably not live. For example I think that aespa don't sing live because they sound the same. Their vocals in Dreams come true performances aren't different than Savage performances. No one sounds like a studio version while singing live. We can compare it to Stayc debut. They didn't sing live for the first few weeks and people were wondering but when they started singing live no one has doubts because you just hear the difference. Or Itzy. They usually sing with a backtrack but you can hear "two voices" - their live singing.
Live vocals are also noticeable by how air interacts with mic. P, B are puffy in the mic, voice intensity is not the same all the time, especially if mic is moving. A vocal coach made a video about this. But I don't remember who. Sorry :(
I'm honestly proud of how Mamamoo improved their lip'syncing skills. Not by much, but it's still improvement.
Lmaoo
💀💀💀i-
😂😂😂
This kind of flex
they can't help but to exaggerate their lip movement. total noobs lmao
Mamamoo has amazing vocal skills. Honestly they have itself said that they prefer live singing
I love how the only examples for them are NaverNow (pre-recorded) and Dingo.🤣
Even if Solar's Speechless from the YT video is used, you'd see comments from the YT saying the LIVE version of Yong's performance sounded so much better than the video that was posted, with heavy tuning and backtrack. Yong even posted an a cappella version on her channel after the event. 🤣
Yea they mainly sing live lol
me watching this video without knowing anything
Worst live Aespa
They suck at lip-syncing, not in a mean way ofc, but their vocals are better then their lip syncing
The fact that Dreamcatcher's live vocals could still be heard over the loud backtrack just proves that they are pushing hard to get their voices out even with all their difficult choreography. I could clearly hear SuA and Handong over the backtrack
Theyre so talented
exactly, it shows how good their vocal projection is and lets us know that they’re doing their best to sing live despite the loudness of the backtrack and especially since so many companies are forcing idols to lipsync. :))
I remember back when 4min got their mics cut for singing over the lipsync. Lol nothing stops the Gayoon.
Exactly. Saw them live and exactly this
Yes! Dreamcatcher are so talented!!!! I can hear their vocals just pushing through to audio tune etc. 👑
Bang Chan talks about this video in Chan's Room VLive ep141 towards the very end! He explained some definitions in depth and said you got most of the situations right. He was really sweet about it ^^
still a b for that uncalled for comment
@@binniminnie Why because it called fans out? You guys are the delusional ones who call lip sync live and make idols afraid to perform. You guys are the ones settings this ridiculously high standard.
@@binniminnie wdym?
@@thatamazingprocrastinator maybe abt the comment of the creator on 10:11
@@ansrhmn4054 aah ok
I don't think lipsyncing is bad especially if your choreography is dance heavy. At the same time, it's also amazing if they can sing their songs with raw and live vocals.
No it's never a bad thing. It's only bad when they abused it almost all the time, which these kpop groups didn't always do anyway.
It's not a bad thing, but people need to stop thinking every stage is 100% live when it isn't the case.
@@dallunatic Yep, this! Some people have unrealistic expectations for their idols.
@@bobthebuilderday6leader doing a backflip with a very high high note doesn't sound human if you don't hear at least one voice crack and yeah people expect idols to not sound out of tune if they do backflips and other hard stuff
@u-ae-na ikr like a voice crack is unexpected and doing a backflip without a voice crack plus high note is either pre-recorded or lip synced because I don't even think it's safe to do so
Mamamoo sounds wayyyy better live. Autotune does no justice for such vocals. 🥰😆
mamamoo has shown their live is good as studio (of course lot times these programs dont allow singers to sing live as they want keep sponsors and fans happy): here is mamamoo vocals comparing ruclips.net/video/a5xvypD6lVY/видео.html
Yeah true, I prefer raw vocals. If it comes with some mistakes it doesn't matter to me, I love to listen to live singing because sometimes imperfections better the song. (Not limited to mamamoo)
other fandoms: look how much they've improved in their live vocals!
moomoos: look how much they've improved in their lipsyncing!
16:19 literally jail. Moonbyul has such a deep and unique voice and that just made it sound weird and more high pitched than her real voice
and also they didnt completely clean hwasa voice, cuz i can clearly hear her rusty voice from her sick, i think they're onky slightly clean and change they're voice but still got wromg for both hwasa and moonbyul
Her actual voice is so full and smooth😭
there r so many idols who clearly dont need autotune or lipsync on most of their stuff, but they cant decide whether or not its on it. taeyeon, wendy and mamamoo are prime examples of people who can slay live, so it sucks that they really dont have a choice when it comes to lipsyncing on music shows and award shows 😕
If they're in choreo based performance, then doing lipsync is logical & fine. Don't treat it like it's a bad thing. Sometimes it's necessary for their own comfort & health.
Not Jihyo sounding the same
@@ml5456 NAURR HOW DID I FORGET JIHYO IM EMBARRASED
@@resurgingflame yep, especially if they do alot of promotions and don’t get much sleep
@@resurgingflame yeah its necessary if its about health. But some idols will be way too healthy they could live for 500 years due to never singing live.
jihyo sounding exactly the same in the live, the autotune and the original song shows how good she is
And other twice members
@@taewq_bts8043 exactly proud of them
@@taewq_bts8043 yeah they all seem to be eating cds on the regular lol im so proud of our girlies
Tzuyu really did great too
Dahyun did good too
the fact this video came out today and chan already was on it .. damn this man sees everything
I'm scared
@@straykidsworlddomination492 we arent safe. not even small accounts are safe. skz sees everything. EVERYTHING what stays do. i am not joking at all. there are so many proofs you can say that yes idols do see all the things fans do. i am damn sure he even watches the opinion videos. kutubers ones and the amount of negativity towards skz. i can tell that hes things affect chan a lot. he can only hold it back.
@@nehalmittal2288 even worse reading our comments especially Chan
@@Danna-ek5hq yup. He sees all the hate going through here.. I just hope that he will be good and he will not pay much attention. Probably he is seeing this video and this comment too rn.
@@nehalmittal2288 Yes, you're right, I mean that's the main reason why I'm scared, the fact that Chan is always in everything, and that not everything is good.
honestly with the way kpop is i don’t mind lip syncing during promotion but ONLY for the first few performances. for the first few performances you want to see the choreo and get the overall feel, especially with 4th gen but after that we should get proper vocals. they’re idols, it’s literally their job to sing. it’s like company’s actively work against letting their idols sings and it’s worse when you can see that the idol is really trying to be heard over the backtrack. it especially bugs me when it comes to SM cause like ??? you’re known for vocals, let your artists sing. it’s like they’re trying their absolute hardest to hide aespas vocals for literally no damn reason. and red velvet!?! i’m so mad
It used to be like that a few years ago. The first week was always lip sync for the special stages to show off the dance and outfits, Then the next 1-2 weeks were strictly live. After the pandemic company's completely switched over so pre-recorded performances since there was no longer an audience. Fans don't even notice so I don't see them going back anytime soon. Less than a handful of idols are putting out live stages on Inkigayo, Music bank, the show etc.
Making them do it just the first few performances is not ideal AT ALL. It'd be just a few times once in a while, esp during heavy schedules.
Also I don't get this kind of mindset. Their job is to sing yes. But their another job is also to dance, rap & doing the best performance they can do. They can still sing when doing non-choreo performance, does that not count?
Lipsyncing doing heavy choreo should be excused. Bcus our lungs aren't build to do 2 highly demanding tasks at the same time anyway. On top of that doing it repeatedly all year along.
SM artists lipsyncing doesn't disprove them being good with vocals. PROPER & HEALTHY technique can ONLY be achieved while the singer is relaxed with proper posture. U can't do that while dancing. So this really doesn't prove anything.
This video should open y'all eyes that lipsync is more common that u might think. There's a REASON why it existed in the first place & it's not bcus of laziness & lack of creativity at all. Instead of trying to understand them, u guys put them in even higher pressure like??
@@resurgingflame The purpose of this vid ist not to criticise idols but to show the differences between eddited vocals and live singing since fans nowadays are so used to autotune that they refuse to believe its not live. Using autotune is fine but companies should not lie about it. There are many cases where the idol just sits while singing but they still use autotune and claim it "live"
@@resurgingflame being an idol literally mean you have to know how to sing AND dance at the same time. They shouldn't be doing it all the time, but it's their job description! A lot of people can dance and sing separately, but if they can't do both at together then they don't qualify to be an idol. It's as simple as that.
@@shanliekpop yeah i think the beginning of 2019 marked a clear difference with the approach to live performances, and the pandemic made it worse. Before that mcountdown used lip sync and it nearly always had the most "fancy" performance, the other programs were more focused on live singing.
People need to realize that sometimes even the artist doesn’t sing live on stage, it doesn’t mean they are bad and everything, due to lot of circumstances like intense choreography or the shooting with different camera cut, they need to prerecord, and auto tune isn’t even just about correcting it adds effect on the vocals actually. ANYWAY IT’S ALWAYS GOOD TO EDUCATE YOURSELF 👍🏻😉
Often their promotion periods are so intense it would be hard to sing live constantly anyway! IVE have been heavily promoting one song for 2 solid months, they’d never get through that without lipsyncing at least a little bit (or a lot a bit).
There's nothing wrong with playback when you're dancing. The bad thing is to abuse and play back in each presentation.
And people also need to realize that the kpop industries also rely most on visuals and presentations (choreo, stage presence, etc), so there's plenty of 'vocalists' position that are lacking in, well... vocals, to begin with. (Except the main vocal position, 80% of 'em are such good singers istg-)
It's funny how some fans want them to be perfect and sing live every single time yet when they do, the recognition is not always there... 😞
I love watching MAMAMOO's performances because of that. They love to play with the backtrack, sometimes not bothering to sing the actual lines, but use that time to interact with audiences or play with ad-libs instead, because they know we know they always sing LIVE (whenever possible). :)
they aren't bad in everything, but for me is hard to see that kpop turned just a Dance and beauty thing. Just vocal, beautiful vocals with simple coreos are not longer enought, so if they don't dance so well, but have good voices they are shut down, and kicked out the industry, 'cause they can "fake" singing things but not other skills.. but they're music groups, so I'm really upset.
16:19 whoever did that to moonbyuls voice should be fired. Her deep voice in the live is so much cooler and smooth. So obsessed with her new solo lunatic, you guy's should check it out.
On a final note the autotune in Mamamaoo at the end seriously sounded so trash, it's scary to think people's ears are SO USED to that robotic noise they didn't even catch ho unnatural it sounded before posting it on youtube. Fans in the comments on Dingo didn't catch it either...
I'm also really loving LUNATIC, the MV is so fun.
I agree with you … And Lunatic is addicting
Dingo really clowned some people 🤡🤡
mamamoo has shown their live is good as studio (of course lot times these programs dont allow singers to sing live as they want keep sponsors and fans happy): here is mamamoo vocals comparing ruclips.net/video/a5xvypD6lVY/видео.html
yes mamamoo are human as well . I wish they would create a platform where only raw live singing allowed
This is the first time I've ever herd of Lucy but I'm obsessed. I'm going to look into their discography immediately.
Same, they looked impressive
their songs are really good i especially loved HERO
Lucy I got into them a bit because of my friend but some of my favorite songs are Flower, Jogging and I got You but I found it cool because one of the members play violin drums and a guitar I just find them really cool because there’s not many groups like that
you really should.. their songs are amazing
Don't be shy, be a walwal 🤩
If people listened to everything Chan said, not just short clips or sentences, you'll know he wasn't hating on the video. He agreed with a lot of it, clarified and contextualised a lot of things. He disagreed with calling some of those lip sync, but he also knew why it could be considered that if their live vocals are not very audible under the pre rec track. No need to get up in the arms. It's because ppl are so sensitive about these things that more idols can't be open about it. We're so lucky to have Chan spill these backstage side things, it's a shame ppl don't actually hear what he's saying and take things out of context.
The only thing is, as a Stay that watches pretty much all of their stages, the pre recorded ones or the ones where the backing track completely overpowers all of them are very few, you almost have to hand pick them. That much I can confidently say. There's a ton more Thunderous stages, their first one on the Kingdom week show thing is my least fav for obvious reasons
Also congrats to the creator being featured on Chan's room. It's a feat in any case and they did put a lot of work into the vid so...
(Changbin's flow is indeed insane 😉)
Yeah put a lot of work to say stuff like 10:10
@@skzftw2489 I agree that was unnecessary but it wasn't insulting skz...I feel like Stays are mad bc well, they're who the creator is laughing at there. It's fair to be hurt, but it's not fair to act like the creator dragged skz. Basically, be mad in your own right, but don't act insulted in skz's behalf to "protect" them. Chan can and did stand up for himself just fine without snapping at anyone
@@m20D yeah ig whatever,i am glad chan said what he said good for him
@@skzftw2489 no wonder kpoptwit is a minefield, newer group stans got the thinnest skins if that gets yall offended 💀
@@tired690 yeah bcs im sure kpop twitter is like that only bcs of the newer stans💀and it was a stupid comment of theirs,if i wanna comment on it i will lmao
Jihyo is insane, her live vocals sound EXACTLY like the studio version, that’s another level of power and stability
I really like Mamamoo-s vocals, they are soo good🥰 also Stray Kids and Dreamcatcher ❤
I only wish we could hear idols sing completely live more
jihyo tho... sounds exactly the same live. insane lol
yes fr
I hope we can have more live vocals in kpop, its really beautiful especially if the idol loves singing
No becos the LUCY live version sounds so much better than the autotuned what was the need 💀
Sangyeops tone is so much better live too.. Autotune makes it sound weird.
As a Moomoo I'm actually proud that Mamamoo can finally lipsync. God the girls improved so much
I'm glad that Mamamoo Solar had been casted in Musical Mata Hari as Female Lead a few months ago where she was able to performed raw vocals and gained more experiences & skills as a Music Artist...She's been praised for her prowess in that show even it's her first time doing Musical...After the Musical, Solar's latest performances showed so much improvement in her vocals...
Chen always sounds amazing, even with a sore throat, he sang without retreat: on the lower notes he sounded hoarse, but on the high notes he was very effective. He is the best vocalist in Exo for a reason.
Heeseung's voice really is beautiful and his live sounds the same or even better than studio ver
I prefer his live version voice to studio version because it's just too beautiful like him
Indeed
yess!!
We can't mess with dreamcatcher and stray kids,they give pure talents with their hard dance moves ! 🤍💜⚡
There's not much of a difference between SKZ' and Dreamcatcher's live and pre recorded vocals tho, with live there's just some breathing can be heard and some adlibs and that's all.
Ugh my girls Dreamcatcher needs some recognition too, guys here, check them out.
Man, all of them are really good singers, some really want to be heard and sing like Ningning but their companies, music shows and the whole industry wants a perfection that doesn't exist and does that when they're already so incredibly good..
I can't imagine myself in the place of the idols who actually love singing like u worked hard, u're successful but u're real voice has barely been heard
I would feel incomplete
@@youtubelover2613 i feel like the whole industry are full of lies. They are good enough to perform, and yeah agree with both of you
yeah and that kinda decreases their confidence, ningning with more confidence would be unstoppable
Not all
@@user-ib1is7ny7r exactly
The only time skz mic is off is when they record a music video. Some producers ever suggested them to lipsync during a show, but they always refused the idea.
The way the editor using Sua and Handong's voices to show that they're not that different from autotune version. I knew it Handong and Sua are so stable in live
it amazes how there are little to no comments about DreamCatcher. They're one of the best vocal groups out there
wow I'm so proud of bangchan for watching stuff like these on his lives and explaining everything and stuff... like I watched this video a hour before chans live and I was so surprised
Bang Chan saw this and explained everything on his recent vlive :)
*YG is wasting BLACKPINK'S time and talent, BLACKPINK can absolutely sing live without being unstable, the fact they don't even need autotune they sound so great at live* 💯❤
Girlie came for entire kpop industry not just your faves so don't start calling her a hater she is just speaking the butter truth your problem if you can't handle it . Anyways stan itzy and stayc
Edit : yes bang chan watched this video am dpicked it apart but you forgetting what he said at the end he said and I quote 'you got most of it correct but tuning and lipsync is a bit confusing stats stop shitting on her she is a human being I am seeing death threats stop it you are being bratty and horrible
Edit : chris also only talked about Stray kids not the other groups
the truth: 🧈
To me voice modifications and lip'sync aren't a problem for a group until they
1.Never sing live bcs of it
2. Don't use it sparingly for when an idol is sick (check hwasa part of the vid) or when technical issues happen.
3. Add an unnecessary backing track while editing.
4. Royaly fork up the voice modifications.
Basically, voice editing and lip'syncing only become a problem when they're used as a way to "cheat" instead of being used as a last record tool.
@@miyamura_kin9349 Unfortunately, a lot of kpop fans don't think like u & instead treated this thing like it's a disease that their faves can't have. Eventho lipsync is necessary for them to do sometimes & majority of them didn't always do it all the time anyway.
@@garbagedotjpeg1713 yo 💀
@@miyamura_kin9349 i just hope all fans have that mindset because MOST of them actually believe those autotuned/lip synced performances are 100% live.
Mamamoo’s vocals are good… the vocal queens…
it's super weird seen idols talk openly about this kind of things
I really appreciate the way chan talks and explains a lot of things.
he was also very respectful with your video .
as a long fan of Taeyeon, it actually made me so disappointed that SM (or the broadcasting company) made her lipped all her Weekend performances when she can do it perfect without that anyway. Also fought over someone who believed the performances was 100% live and start arguing how she's a great singer so she definitely sing live... hope people realize someone being a great singer can coexist with them also lipsyncing some stages (which is also understandable as long as it's not all the time)
For real. I was so excited when I knew she's gonna promote weekend on music shows (since her last promotion in 2017) just to know all her performances were not live vocals.
I feel you. Sometimes it's like getting gaslighted.
@@siapool no because that's true as hell, people make me feel guilty cause they make me feel like I'm hating the artists when I'm just pointing out facts😭😭
Right! She would do a great job either way. I wish she could have had an encore to sing it live :((
@@scarletfairy1556 Same! I guess we should just wait for when she performed it at her concert cause she'll probably sing it live there
I always wanted to say this:
Stray Kids tries in almost every performance to sing at least over half of the lines live, but then there's the extremely loud backtrack over it, making me sooooo freaking angry at the music show that features their performance.
They WANT to sing live, but why is it, that you can't just let their voices be without the heavy backtrack?
Another thing I wanted to point out is that in the collaboration performances (recent one: 'Tiger' cover with Lee Know, Jungwoo, Moonbin etc.) the high notes that we can hear are *prerecorded*! I'm always getting so angry when there's some delusional fans praising their stable live singing, when it - frankly speaking - is lip-sinc.
That can be because they are forced to lip-sinc or to have a heavy autotune or backtrack over their voices, but also just because they dance too hard and it would be too difficult to maintain a decent live while performing.
All I said is not in the slightest bit because of hate, it's just stating facts.
We all know that idols are capable of singing live or else they wouldn't have been able to debut, but what lots of fans want is PERFECTION.
And sorry not sorry, this kind of *perfection* doesn't exist and leads to more and more performance without hearing our idols precious voices (and their human-like breathing, which I have NOTHING against lol)
Don't forget that lee know had 4 performance at that day at the same event and he collapsed after performing tiger inside so I think it's reasonable that he wasn't singing live bcs in the end idols are also human + from what I see, stays are praising lee know for taking the high notes part (even if it's recorded) since his position in the group is main dancer, not vocalist
@@سلم-ظ8ي yeah...I saw how he collapsed and my heart simply broke for him.
He did a great job and I never said anything against that (I would never offend my ultimate bias), it's just that I saw lots of people in the comments talking about their 'stable live' and I really can't count how much I rolled my eyes at this.
Why can't they just accept that they did well and instead of praising their singing that wasn't live, just praise everything they actually did. It feels as if they're focusing on the wrong thing instead of focusing on the thing they actually did (and quite well at that) like stage presence, dance and co. They should just accept the facts, since lip-sinc is NOT something bad at all... especially since the tiger choreography was very intense.
The thing with backtracks is , yes them being louder than the artists voice is annoying, but it really helps , for example if the singer is out of breath , they can pause and let the backtrack take over , especially when the choreo is hard , which is the case with Straykids
@@Randomperson-tx6zn True...my heart hurt so much 😭
So true! More reason why I against if Idol only depend on lipsync. It's okay if doing it sometimes, but if it is done everytime, I'm afraid that it could impact into the artist confidence. And the fans will always ask for perfection from their artist, while just like what you said, perfection is never existed. And what happen now, when the artist voice cracked, netizen will mocked on them. While the Idol not always on good condition, and every member have their own role, not everyone there is lead vocal. More reason for them need more experience to sing on stage, because it is something that will get better by more experience. Forbid them to singing live only forbid them to improve. And yes, I prefer raw voice or just slightly edit. I don't like autotune tbh.
WOW !!! Dreamcatcher is really amazing ! 😱😱😱 When I close my eyes and listen to them perform live, auto-tune, and lip-sync, I feel almost the same. Even the members of Dreamcatcher in the video are not the main vocalists. They are the main dancer, lead vocalist, and main rapper. All members of Dreamcatcher are queens of vocal, dance and rap ! Thanks. From N.Y.
DC often sing live. Even their debut song Chase Me had many live stages. One of the few who do really
thanks to your video, received a full lesson about autotune, backtrack and live from bang chan :)
he is the best really
The fact that Chan (from Stray kids) actually watched this and evaluated it-😭🤚🏻
I mean he said that most of it was right so congratulations to the creator 😂
@@login0325 ikrrr. I’m happy he was bare and naked with it and actually explained everything!
@@defnothani agree
The “It's Live” youtube channel kind of annoys me. They autotune every single performance but the channel name misleads ppl into thinking they're pure live vocals, especially with the live band in the back. I wish they didn't do that
I cringe when i see comment like "Their vocal is so stable" while doing complicated dance movement.
I'm grateful to Chan for explaining us everything about the differences
Damn Jihyo be eating CDs 😂 She sounds the same. Her vocals is just amazing.
bang chan is so professional while explaining the whole thing about lip syncing and i love him for that!! stan stray kids!!
Exo actually sounds amazing even live
Chen understood the assignment. He really did! I love Kim Jongdae's vocals.
God jihyo sounding the same in all three versions, and Mina and Tzuyu also sound so good.. My girls slaying 💜💜
Bangchan is so respectful, I love him
Wow that intro was the clearest explanation of all the trickery in Kpop music. Gosh I don't even hate autotune, I think it sounds really cool. But for the love of god can they stop calling it LIVE when it's not?!?! People say autotune can't fix a bad voice but it really can. It can completely change's your voice into something else. It can turned a strained high note into an angelic falsetto When I listen to BTS music these days I barely recognize their vocals they're autotuned is so strangely by bighit.
Ikr
Dynamite , butter , ptd were autotuned weirdly..
But their live performances sounds better for me💀
Autotune can be applied to live vocals.
@@FlagGov yes
Dreamcatcher always make sure to give us live stages which I'm very happy about. I don't mind backtracks on live dancing stages as long as we can hear their voices over it! Even their sub vocalist have improved so much and gets to sing belting parts. Except for the very last two girls, Sua (the first girl) and Handong (the second girl) and Jiu (the third girl) are all sub vocalist!! Also their lead vocalist Yoohyeon could be a main vocalist easily. Tbh I don't understand why they didn't just do two main vocalist like Seventeen has because that would make more sense..
In my opinion, Siyeon still sings better than Yoohyeon
jiu is lead vocal?
@@eg9986 she is actually, but people associate the "lead vocal" position most to Yoohyeon cause she's not main vocal, BUT she could easily be.
Since the dreamcatcher genre is based on rock/heavy metal, Siyeon voice fits the genre very well especially on stage
Just to clarify...
Siyeon is the main vocalist. JiU and Yoohyeon are leads. The rest are subs. But that's just based on their positions in this group. As has been stated, Yoohyeon could be the main in just about any other group.
idk how Chan found this so fast but well, if y'all want to hear an explanation about it from the idol himself go watch Chan's Room ep 141 he explained it in details.
Chan is in quarantine, he's probably browsing RUclips alot
@@Dp-qq9rh he's not in a quarantine it's their new dorm(he's in his own room)....
@@Ara_520 he's quarantine in his own dorm. He needs to quarantine because of Korean laws. They were from Dubai.
the fact that y'all found this so fast has me crying 😭😭😭
I watched it some hours ago and then bang chan talked about it and I was like :O
Fans who either want to flex or are triggered by this video completely ruin the comment section. This video shows us how the industry is fooling us. Basically no one is a vocal king or queen in every performance and that's normal. Every idol lip sync, use autotune ect at some point.
EDIT:
lol you guys need to calm down do I need to post Chans reaction live on here? Half of you didn't even watch his video XD He was super sweet and amazing (I can't believe he saw this). He literally agreed with almost everything except my overly simplified term of autotuned because there are a million different things you can do with that software. *He literally said at **10:10** in his Vlive "Yep thats pre-recorded" and the rest are live or live with backtrack.*
I made sure to list all the groups and songs this time so you guy's know what music/ albums to looks for ;) many of these are some of my favorite songs.
I always get so many comments from people saying "X" doesn't lips sing or "X" doesn't know autotune and then use that as an excuse to hate other groups. These people completely missed the point. We're talking about Kpop as a whole, none of our faves are special snowflakes. Idols are all made on the same conveyer belt. These videos aren't about individual groups, they're about the industry pushing standards to an inhumane level that no real artists can achieve. The problem is when the audience begins to think a fake voice is a real voice.
Hey I was just wondering if you could a performance or two from seventeen next time? Cause I'm really curious to see which stages could be autotuned/lipsync.
There are people who think idols are singing live while doing back flips on stage. I didn't know the audience would be that dumb to not know what a live vocal sounds like. "My expectations for you were low but holy F"
The industry is so trashy istg. 80% of the people in the video don't even need voice modifications. The raw and flawed voice is so much better imo. Also I hate how they keep putting a backing track when editing a performance that is trully live. Even singers with great live vocals can't escape the unnecessary editing and backing track now.
Lol yes, all the "that's why I stan xyz, they always sing live" comments are missing the point so hard
Absolutely 👍🏻
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I love ATEEZ’s approach and will always say that they sound the exact same live and recorded. They spoke about this in their WIRED interview. Also heard them in concert and it was immaculate, Jongho’s mic broke and the audience could still here him belting.
Also Seonghwa during utopia 🤯
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@@riza5999 That is clearly pre recorded vocals and every concert and performance in TV. Girl, You don't understand the assignment
@@SD-eo8bx there was definitely no need to be rude
@@SD-eo8bx I didn't understand if you were only talking about Seonghwa's high note in Utopia or their concerts as a whole. I only watched clips of the high note so I can't fully be sure it was or wasn't pre-recorded but what I know is that fans and journalists present alike have said that ATEEZ were most of the time live, with back-up that weren't overpowering except when the intensity of the songs required it
This is a must watch video for EVERY kpop fans. This video has educated me a lot about real live stage vs autotuned. Thank you for making this compilation btw
maybe try to watch chan latest live to differentiate between lipsync, autotune, backtrack, a tune and pre record. Atleast chan is actually in the industry ^^
@@chi4634 ok thanks for recommending it. Isn't it just now btw? Chan is really watching us for real 😃
@@bunnyniya_24 your welcome~ yes its just recent, chan is always watching everything😭😭
@@chi4634 as he once said "I'm everywhere"
So is this performance…STAYC killing it live with 3 members not having any prerecorded parts
ruclips.net/video/eOEqAbS1Exk/видео.html
i can confirm that skz is singing live, bcs i was there, i am their vocal chords :))
very clear demonstration but i would prefer "post-processing" over the term "autotune" since people often associate autotune with bad singing (which is not the case).
The software autotune that does the processing is the same thing. Changing the name doesn't change the program that edits vocals.
Came here from Bang Chans vlive. Love his transparency and his explanation. Also check out the comments. I saw a sound engineer stay backing up his explanation
Im just here because of Bang Chan ,whether they sing live, autotune or lip sync , it doesnt matter , i still stan them, they are gem , multitalented group, , they are all good they make their own music , they give their best effort , why dont we just appreciate them ☺️
Purple kiss sounds so much better when singing live! I think their company or whatever shouldn't edit their amazing vocals.
Not an EXO fan, im more on a lowkey bgs fan, but I can say EXO have the best set of vocals in all the bgs I have heard. Aside from Day6 who is a band, Exo have the lots of it. Baekhyun, DO, Xiumin, Chen and suho.
Finally someone acknowledging Suho as part of the vocal line his vocals are amazing but his voice is also unique and it sounds sweet but people always focus on Chen, D.O, Xiumin, and Baekhyun
I agree with most but with aespa i do believe that it’s pre recorded rather than the official track.
there are minor differences in how they approach the ‘im a savage’ Karina’s is more squeaked out and the savage is pronounced differently.
But i do think they only have one pre recorded and that’s the only one they use. Same with Ningning’s note, the pre recorded version is sung way lighter whereas in the official track the approach is heavier
yeah and you can't hear winter's growl in the "live" performances
@@eunhashoe1907 exactly another minor difference
I think ateez are amazing, vocals and rappers probably one of the most amazing groups out there, incredible stage presence, expresions and very stable in live performances, amazing vocals and rap and all of them are super amazing dances.
You're right 👍🏻
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@@mynameisalexanderhamilton2862 Who cares ???
NOT EVEN A DAY AFTER THIS WAS UPLOADED AND CHAN ALREADY FOUND THIS OH DEAR GOD
Stray Kids everywhere around the world, Stays assemble! ❤️
I'm happy to finally watch Dreamcatcher on this kind of video. As a somnia, I know that many of us are always this proud of how good they sing whenever they perform, but it somehow makes me sad if my co-somnia said that this/that performance is live, where it is not totally like that. They maybe recorded it while dancing simply, then the record got processed or something to put into another round of performance while they still sing live(but sadly, it wouldn't be much of what we hear, or nothing at all). I'm not an audio engineer or something, but I can hear clearly the differences of sounds and I'm not delulu. But I would like to say, Dreamcatcher's talent and hardwork is what makes them more deserve for recognition when it comes to performances. I just can't wait for every waiting old and new fans to meet them on in person concert.
I'm late. But Insomnia should understand they need backtrack to support consider how hardcore their choreo are. No one could ever sing so perfectly with those kind of exhausting choreos. However, they always try to deliver their best. Many times I can clearly hear their vocals above the loud backtracks. And I think they also sing live when they don't have to perform. Dreamcatcher never disappoints.
Dreamcatcher needs no autotune, Stan them when they get the chance to sing live they never disappoint
Thats coz dc has the highest stats across the board in all departments in the idol game haha
yess just look at the boca live performance, idk if it was lip synced but sihyeons high note was so good
@@christellet3922 most of the promotions of boca (not sure if all of them) were live with backtrack which means her high note was live and it was amazing
@@alebaenam5373 omg wowow but yes her highnote is so good
I'm so sad Chan see those comment but i'm more respect Chan very nice to handle it
This is still pretty simplified. You can have any combination of these and adjust how much effect you want applied. For example, louder live vocals over a backing track with slight reverb. Technology today allows for more options for live effects than pitch correction and reverb. If it's done well, it enhances the performance, for example, smoothing vocal shakiness caused by intense choreo while still allowing the artists' vocals to be prominent. When done terribly, a live performance can appear lip-synced. Unfortunately, guests of music shows often don't have control over how things are mixed.
What about the live vocals here? seems like little adjustment..they let them sing live for most part…3 of the girls sang completely live while dancing too.
ruclips.net/video/eOEqAbS1Exk/видео.html
See? Our idols CAN sing, it's just that the industry's obsessed with the "must-be-perfection" vocals
So let's get over toxic arguments because they all lip-sync but are able to sing live (not perfectly but definitely not bad)
So, for all fans from any fandom, please dont blame the artist and compare or drag each group just to show off your fav group skill, all the shows have standard for the performances, and maybe that is one of the reason why they use autotune preset, just enjoy the show and performance, if you dont like it, just skip it
jihyo sounds the same in all 3 versions, a queen
3mix are great but i think tzuyu deserves a praise for killing the live vocals recently... she's been so much more confident
@@myhomegwalior6095 3mix??? even if you mean 6mixx they're called twice with a whole new lineup and 6mixx hasn't even debuted.
@@kindarealstellar I'm not trying to drag other members down .. normally we call jihyo, jeongyeon and nayeon as 3 mixx inside the fandom if you don't know . I was just praising tzuyu for her improved vocals .
@@myhomegwalior6095 oh I didn't know sorry 😖
@@myhomegwalior6095 and I never said you were bringing others down either... 😞
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Like 90% of them didn’t need the fucking autotune, swan from purple kiss sounded so robotic when she Sang her line , that guy from lucy sounded perfect and so did the rest of them LIKE THEY DONT BEED THE AUTOTUNE WHOS GONNA TELL THEM
Its probably bcuz of the dance
@@redpanda7277 but then they added autotune to performances where they weren’t dancing so why
@@slehbencheikh2950 The groups dont do it . The broadcasting stations do that
@@sasuneuzumaki2186 i know that when I said « who’s gonna tel them » I was referring to the stations
Not sure how many people saw it but dingo actually uploaded the raw totally live version of mamamoo's medley originally (most likely an error on their part) before changing it to the autotuned version. This proves mamamoo did sing totally live (and slayed it esp wheein's adlibs in decalcomanie omgg) but the channel edits the clip post recording which is totally outside of mamamoo's control.
WHAT? omfg I want that version
Bruh I can't believe Bang Chan found this video so soon after it was posted. hello
Also I love that you added Lucy in here :] I love their music so much 💞💕💞
Ateez live sounds good. Especially the high note
Is it just me or the live, autotune of MAMAMOO does not have a difference. Mamamoo, vocal queens
Chen’s live vocals are just *chef’s kiss*
Dreamcatcher are for me the group that are the most true to the original. They are really good with voice control and create reverb effect manually 😭
I guess this is the video Bang Chan talked about. Watch Stray Kids at 9:48
I feel extra bad for the main vocalist they are usually the most bashed and ignored idols like lia was shitted on to hell and back because of a few unstable lives and everybody and their mothers were like yeji should have been the main vocalist ignoring the fact lia is the only one in the group with actual support even now that she has proven their worth her hard work and talent is still ignored and don't get me started on jeonyeon and how much mistreatment and hate (for her body wtf) she has been dealing with for years
So true please. Jeongyeon is the second most stable member of TWICE. She has a beautiful voice with a good support. But the thing is that JYPE dosen't let her show her talent and that upset me so much. Even before her break, she was never first on a tt or anything. I mean yeah, she shine in b-sides but title tracks, nothing. The amount of hate that she get for her body istg this show the true sides of k-pop fans, y'all are fucking hypocrite. And i hate those videos where they show the before after of an idol if they gain weight or lose, like stfu??? Let them breathe. And for Lia,her voice is so unique. She has an amazing voice and it feel like she give those fresh breathes in their songs. I hope people will more recognize her talent because she is an amazing vocalist but she really did improve in dance without dance training. She is amazing and i'am really proud of her. So stfu haters.
I hope those people who bash Jeongyeon weight can realize how f//ck up and how pathetic they are
@@istaben8585 you put my feelings into words they neglected one lead vocalist (jeonyeon) and over strained the other (nayeon) and even jihyo look at her in 2016 2017 she was body shamed so bad and was mostly underrated but once she started dancing harder and had a 'glowup' (she was always a beauty) she was noticed so much and the funniest shit is now that she has regressed in vocals jeonyeon, the girl who hardly sings is the best vocalist in twice . All the twice vocalist were treated bad some way or the other imo
Itzy sing live like 90% of the time and they have probably one of the hardest choreography. I feel bad for Lia cs she the only one in itzy who isn’t apart of the dance-line (she also have anemic) and isn’t as stable as the other. But kpop stans need to understand *stable≠vocal technique*
Always proud with Mamamoo, the live performance master!
"The only time we lip sync is when we film MV" - bangchan, 2022
Notice how jihyo still slayed
How many came here after Chan explained the terms Autotune, prerecorded, live , backtrack and the significance behind each of them, so kindly in such great details… Stan Channie with the biggest golden heart ❤️
Gosh thank you for pointing this out, fans need to see this to have more knowledge what is live what is autotune and what is lip sync
and if you could'nt tell it it’s live bc they're that good, just listen to changbin and jisung’s adlibs
God bless Hwasa and Mamamoo the tremendous talent that they carrie 💚
LMAOOO THE STAYS HERE YALL SO FAST
purple kiss has amazing vocals but that one video idk which channel did that but the autotune was so heavy when their radio show and live performances were just fine without any autotune
Ateez sounds almost identical live or not it's actually insane.
Yeah 😍
Straykids have a really good stability and vocals that people this it's lipsinc isn't that actually a win for them they are that talented
“Freezing cold but i know we’re singing live”
as a MY sometimes i ask myself if they really do live stages ): after watching them singing live few times it's strating to bother me, mostly because i know the talent and power they hold but somehow SM decided to not let aespa sing completely live during promotions, honestly i don't know whether they are singing live or not, specially during 'dreams come true' other MY's keep saying that the stages are completely live but because they are so stable they claim other people think they are lip syncing since others can't believe how stable they are, at this point i don't know who to believe, i don't think i've seen a live stage from aespa so far, if there is then props to them for being incredibly stable and barely get out of breath, i love their voices and who they are but since their job is singing and performing i really hope SM will let them perform at least a live stage for once, they are good at singing so why are they so afraid to show how good they are? ):
If you have doubts if the performance is live then it's probably not live. For example I think that aespa don't sing live because they sound the same. Their vocals in Dreams come true performances aren't different than Savage performances. No one sounds like a studio version while singing live. We can compare it to Stayc debut. They didn't sing live for the first few weeks and people were wondering but when they started singing live no one has doubts because you just hear the difference. Or Itzy. They usually sing with a backtrack but you can hear "two voices" - their live singing.
The only time they sung live is when they're guesting for radio/variety shows where they sing a few lines of a song AND OF COURSE THEIR ENCORES..
Another example of manufactured, overhyped idols. If their only good on studio then let them just do VO career.
Live vocals are also noticeable by how air interacts with mic. P, B are puffy in the mic, voice intensity is not the same all the time, especially if mic is moving. A vocal coach made a video about this. But I don't remember who. Sorry :(
@@mynameisalexanderhamilton2862 They're not only good in studio. Check out some videos where they're singing live.
Wow! Heesung's voice really catched me now😍. I have never heard any enhypen song after their debut one. I will listen to this song.
Mamamoo and Exo vocals are always awesome