Great video! One thing I've been doing on my GH5 when I'm doing static shots of night cityscapes or whatever is to use VFR but use lower frame rates, either 12fps or even down as low as 2fps, with similar shutter speeds. You can get a great well exposed shot even in very dark conditions, as long as there is minimal movement. Works as a good timelapse technique too, with blurry movement and light trails if you like that sort of thing
wedding videographer here, thanks for the video! Very useful tips, especially one unsing NAT instead of CineD ! I use the 12-35mm lens / 2.8 and can recommend it. It saved me many times in low light situations.
Low-light tip: Add a light! I know that goes against the term "low light", but most LED lights have a dimmer, so you can tweak the light to just augment the available light with a little bit of fill.
Regards from Stockholm! I'm a novice with the GH5, picked up a used one for 850 usd. I got a used Metabones 0.64 and connected an old Nikon F 1.4 50mm with it. I believe the lens is from the '80's and got great results with it! I was stunned to see how much light it pulled in! Someone who knows what they're doing would get fabulous results! There are no electronics with the Nikon Metabones, you have to do it all yourself. I got the idea from a Finnish guy. Joo Works is the name if his channel. I used CineV. Love your work!
that sounds like a great setup! sometimes i like having to rely on all manual settings. i almost feel like it makes us think through the shot a bit more. i really love using my vintage lens on the gh5 cuz of that very reason. thanks for tuning in!
Still shocks me that you only have 1.8k subs!!! Your quality and content is amazing! You are very dedicated! I've been watching a while now and always it is the 1st thing that I check before the content. Kinda annoying and besides your beard deserve a million subs alone!!! I mean c'mon people can we please comment on that beard ? It's SOOOOOOOOOOO good like it deserves a an upload on it's own, just really needed to say that! Well fucking done on the beard! Anyway great tips and also I will say that 16mm f1.4 is amazing and like someone else mentioned about the autofocus it really changes alot for me about the GH5 I feels like it never had a problem with autofocus now, Really clean lens and good feel and weight to it! Caleb it is so nice to see you dedicated to helping the GH5 users out there in 2020 it is gaining so much popularity and many are buying this amazing camera in 2020. Have a nice day thanks for video, soon the subs shall come! Idk why so low maybe coz you a naturalist ? 😂😂😂🤔
😊thanks! i'm glad you're enjoying the vids! I've heard good things about that 16mm. Imma need to try that out sometime soon! hopefully those subs will come!
First: great Video and good Tips man. Especially with the use of natural profile. I personally often finding myself using cinev Profile and get good results with that. Second: there is one more kinda like more untypical tip i can give that Make. Art. Now tought me: Play around with the shutter angle. If your shot is kinda steady u could easily pass the 180 degree rule and get up to 240 or more and still get great looking Images. U should watch his Video of the low light testing of bmcpc4k where He was able to shoot with only moonlight in the night. Incredible work. And even the gh5 is not able to go above 3200 ISO without looking like garbage, u should definitely test IT out.
Neat Video has saved me time and time again in post when I have to shoot in low light with the GH5. It adds a lot of rendering time but it entirely removes the grain you'll find when using higher ISO. Thanks for the tips. I always shoot in V-Log so I'm going to give the Natural Profile a shot when shooting in low light.
Great video! I did watch another video all about treating low light videography in a more staged capacity, rather just expecting to be able capture things as they are.
I pony’d up the $300 for Davinci Resolve Studio and use the noise reduction tool. It has changed my life. But I know not to depend on it entirely, so great video!
Caleb Hoover I hear yah. I started in davinci and I’m tempted to try adobe but same reason, don’t wanna re learn everything if I already got this figured out.
Summary: When it's dark, make it look dark. Don't just push it to 50 IRE because someone told you that's perfect exposure. Use a picture profile that crushes shadows, or at least not lift them. Use a fast lens. Use a slow shutter speed. Lower your frame rate to get to slower shutter speeds. Use a light. Miracles don't exist. Some of mine: Reduce the sharpness setting if you haven't already. Get a good custom whitebalance. Shoot something that is interesting, engaging and stop worrying about noise.
For fast EF lens owners, the metabones or Viltrox speed booster is the way to go. If going native the Olympus pro 1.2 lenses are a winners but maybe too pricey for some!🙏🏾
As someone about to buy the gh5mk2 your videos are invaluable (subbed by the way). As all the footage will ultimately be put through a video editor, do you have tips regarding rendering or does the camera do a lot of the work internally? Great videos and thank you.
thanks so much - there's a bunch that works great internally but you'll definitely want to spend some quality editing time on it but natural gives you some quick turnaround
Also, never, never, NEVER use 8 bit, 4:2:0 modes if you can help it and instead use 10 bit, 4:2:2 and All-I compression codec modes (yes, this requires bigger and faster storage devices - SD cards or SSD drives if using an external recorder - as a necessity, but they are absolutely worth it). You need every nth degree of video data to work with in post to get the cleanest and best image you can if you want to deliver your cinematography efforts at semi or pro levels. There isn't a heck of a lot of latitude with these cheaper, small sensor cameras, so keep that in mind.
I'm going to be shooting a Q&A in a movie theater (Very low light). I've got two Nanlight FS 300s. Depending on where they're sitting. I'll have the lights about 8 feet from them. Pretty sure that will work. Your thoughts?
yes, the struggle is there with the low light situation, i had the problem as well when i first using this gh5, i feel, why this is happening ??? why in the low light situation, the gh5 quite bad? (SORRY), but, same as you do Caleb, there have a trick and compesation when we must shoot in low light, not as much flexible as sony, but its There and possible with GH5 for shooting low light. Quite bit struggle at first because i'm using Sony a7s before GH5. Now, i always bought a small portable LED light (Pocket size) everywhere, for help me, make a better video result when i must shoot in ISO 1250 or more. GH5 need little bit "injection" light. ahahaha. Nice Share Caleb, thank you...
It's the smaller sensor and larger megapixel count. That doesn't allow in as much light for each input point on the sensor chip, so there is more noise in the image. The GH5 is more of a day time to very controlled lighting night time camera. Running and gunning in poorly lit areas is not its strength. However, there are tips (like the above) that can help things out. And if all else fails, something like Neat Video can help clean up the image a bit.
Caleb! Great vid! Painting with light is supppper important. I’m finding HLG to be great(not so much in low light) but as far as retaining highlights and shadows, just as good as log in SOME cases. Very informative video, just curious if you’d ever make a vid on how you got started/ got more clients and your approach
i haven't use hlg very much but i would really like to try it out more. sounds like a great idea on a vid about client work. i'll make sure that gets on the list.
Low Light is certainly not a GH5 forte that's for sure. I am a big fan of the dark and grungy look so the times I have done low light work I usually end up making everything grainy and grungy looking. There are a ton of abandoned building in Buffalo that I love to explore so low light come up a lot for me. Thanks for the tips Caleb.
I’ve shot at iso 5.000 with the 25mm f/1.7 and with Neat video I actually got surprisingly good results...the image wasn’t soft and the noise was not much distracting ...
Caleb Hoover Try shooting HLG. Tried it yesterday with the 25mm f/1.7 at iso 12.800.... I’m not lying and I’m not kidding there was NO NOISE and I didn’t use Neat video. The colours were a little weird and I wasn’t able to correct them properly but there was no noise. I’ll try it again but I think that if you try with the 18-35 the results will be even better
The Sigma 16mm f1.4 is another great lens (not only for low light scenes) with a usable autofocus. I use it mainly at f1.7 for more sharpness and if exposed to the brightness like reality (not trying to make from the camera a night vision gadget) I never need to go above ISO 1600 (usually ISO400-800). Further, I made opposing experience with Cinelike D. I find it the best color profile for low light scenes. And if you light up the scene a little bit, you’ll get a great result without any noise (for example my garden at night here: s. from 02:23: ruclips.net/video/g9jQvQO3NKQ/видео.html )
i've heard such great things about the sigma 16mm 1.4! my buddy, thomasvisionfilmstv has used that one before. i agree that the cine-d definitely is usable in low light, just not my go to profile, thats all. i would for sure use cine-d over v-log tho. especially if you're able to light it up a bit. thanks for watching!
low light natural color profile leave the contrast at 0 and not -5, if you reduce the contrast you will introduce a hell of noise. edit : and obviously if not many mouvement in the shoot you can lower the shutterspeed at 1/25 for 25p for exemple.
I don’t get my iso in my GH5 above 400 because it’s the native. And i try to use my 1.8 vintage lens and use more TUBE RGB 30cm lights. And i use Cine-D. And i like the image that gives. Like the dark night rises. Lot of shadows and a good soft lighting without noises. ❤
Hi caleb thank you for this new video! Can you tell me if the sigma 18-35 still the best combo on gh5 with speebooster? For day and low light? Thank for your work! You make us better with your vid! 😎
When it comes to vfr, I just rather keep the shutter speed at 1/50ss instead of using the shutter angle. So I can just manipulate when I want in normal speed vs slow mo when I'm editing.
Nice one Caleb, as I said before here in the comments your footage in 800 ISO or more looks great! I’m not confident in using over 500 ISO because I see some noise already, do you know why? Am I doing something wrong? Ah, what about the idynamic range function of the GH5? Are you planning to make a video on it? (Or maybe you already did, I’m new to the channel)
i've heard some people have issues with noise while shooting mp4 over mov. just what i've heard but not actually tested a ton myself. i personally have been shooting mov. i haven't done any vids on dynamic range but that's a great idea! thanks for hanging with me on the channel!
The wave form still works in low light. You just have to adjust how you judge it. You're looking for graphic representation where you want to see something. It's just not going to be 70%. Also slow your shutter.
I want to buy a GH5. Am I wasting my money since it's an old camera? However, I don't believe in age. If it performs really well, I'll buy it. Or do you have other camera recommendations? Also aside from the nice video quality of GH5, I wan t to get GH5 in Marketplaces to save in cost.
i think part about shutter angle at 5:51 is wrong.. increasing shutter angle makes my video brighter, not darker. increasing fps in VFR makes it darker, ur correct about that part and the fact that slow mo is bad in low light. so all things considered it seem that in low light 24 fps with 360 shutter angle seems to be a way to go for a least noisy video. if im wrong please correct me, im trying to figure it out.
Great videos! is that mosaic wall at 2:14 in Sioux Falls South Dakota? If not, I’m crazy. Edit: DUDE! Do you live in Sioux Falls? I stopped the video immediately after I saw the mosaic wall because I thought for sure that was in Sioux Falls and then after I posted my comment I realized that a ton of this is filmed in Sioux Falls LOL, I kind of jumped the gun. I live in Sioux Falls and I also shoot with the amazing GH5.
VERY BAD ADVICE regarding V-Log! Using V-Log in conjunction with noise reduction in post (especially with NEAT Video) yields the cleanest results, specifically because the noise is more consistently visible across the image, which helps the noise reduction algorithm function more accurately, preventing the typical noise-reduction artifacts. My normal image pipeline with the GH5 is: Shoot V-Log at 10bit 4:2:2 400mbps, apply noise reduction on the log image, make whatever additional adjustments, then convert from log to rec.709, either with a technical LUT or as part of the final step, which is retexture with FilmConvert. *(The retexturing is important in order to avoid the introduction of banding during an H.264 export). When shooting in V-Log, the noise reduction algorithm can remove the noise with very minimal loss of detail, even from footage shot in the camera's highest ISO of 10,800. If you shoot in any other picture profile, the noise-reduction algorithm isn't able to function as well and will introduce artifacts. Fast lenses are not always a good solution, especially when you need to keep in focus a deeper area (for example, keeping two actors in focus, when they are in two different distances from the camera, like in the front and back seats of a car). Lighting, which is often the best remedy, is not always the best solution, especially when you want to expose for an existing city-scape for example. In these cases, you are going to need to bump up the ISO to around 1600 - 2500 iso (depending on lens aperture, frame rate, and lighting conditions), and if you do it using V-Log, you will be able to clean the noise that gets introduced in-camera, with little to no loss in detail. If you shoot the way you suggest here (under-expose in lower ISO, using a lossy higher contrast picture profile), you lose those details forever, no matter what you do in post. Your advice is fine for someone who is not willing to do any post-processing, but then, such a person would not be interested in log workflow anyway. If you titled you video "How to get the best low-light video in-camera with no post-processing", then fine, but as is, your video is WRONG, misguided, and MISLEADING! I appreciate you taking the time to guide people and provide information, but as a professional, using the GH5 for years on many productions, I must tell you that the information in this particular video is absolute nonsense, and instead of providing guidance, it is spreading misinformation.
dude. seriously. you obviously have NO idea who my videos are targeting. you can shoot your v-log and post process your noise reduction software all you want but don't EVER come back here and say i'm MISLEADING anyone. my video is literally called how to get the best low light video with the gh5 NOT how to edit and clean up your crappy v-log gh5 low light footage. smh
@@CalebHoover, as one of your subscribers, I am one of the people you are targeting. I was not attacking you, but rather trying to provide valuable information to you and others who might watch this video. After numerous tests in real-world situation, it became clear to me, that while higher contrast picture profiles can hide the noise better in camera (your proposed approach), which is completely valid if you need to get the cleanest image straight out of camera, they limit your flexibility in ISO settings, dynamic range, lens apature, and when under-exposing like your video suggests, can also cause loss of detail and banding. My suggestion was, that if a person has the time in their post production work-flow to process the image properly, shooting V-log and applying noise reduction while still in Log, provides the cleaner and higher quality results. Since you shook your head and attacked me and the quality of my footage, even though you don't know me and never seen any of my footage, I find your hostile tone a bit out of place. I was merely trying to contribute solid information to you and your viewers. And fine, I'll never contribute helpful comments to your channel again.
@@yshrem if this is what you wanted to say just say that and don't say i'm misleading and wrong, when i'm not. you said yourself. if you want to contribute to the conversation (which i always encourage people to do) than do that without attacking in your hostile tone in your first message, which of course I'll take defense to because of how you said it. grace and peace.
I have filmed in cinema-d without any problem, the same with HLG ... and of course, with a suitable color correction. if you have a correct white balance, the job is much easier to do. y por supuesto el sigma 18-35
Good stuff. I guess it's not too applicable to me because I have the gh5s. But I can always use these tricks anyway to get better results, no matter the camera. My first Panasonic camera was a Ag 15p shoulder mout miniDV, and it sucked in lowlight. That was 2001 though...
Random question my camera seems to be stuck at 3x and I can't get out of zoom mode or switch back to 1x or regular zooming in and out doesn't work any thing you can help out ?
maybe go into the menu and see if there's a zoom feature that's turned on somehow. if your on a gh5 check under the second menu option with focus and zoom items.
@@CalebHoover I just found out that it was a lenses issues where I would gain more light and it was not zooming. but I'm happy with the lenses that give more light as far as the menu I tried seems to be just the sense
I'm using a GH5S I shot it at 400 ISO in 10bit 180 degrees with F.5.6 with really bright LED lights, but I still got noise on my shots, especially in shadows or certain colors. someone suggested ditching the 180-degree shutter and adjusted as I need to remove digital noise artifacts. they say the GH5S is great for low light but my experience has been the opposite. can you suggest a setting that works with less amount of noise?
Having the same issue - shooting in CineV, indoors, two lights....and getting truly awful noise - please help if you managed to sort your noise issues, any help is much appreciated!
I was thinking of getting a GH5, or a GH5s. I plan to use the camera more for video than for photography, and I will be out in the field shooting tourism style video, so often I will be using it handheld. I know the GH5 has stabilization, but the GH5s does not. The GH5s works better in low light, comes with V-log, and some better specs on video. If I get a lens that has stabilization, will it make the GH5s good enough in regard to stabilization? If so, what lens do you recommend for that purpose? Someday I may get a Ronin gimbal... but not in the near future. Or... Should I get the GH5 and then a sigma lens with a viltrox speed booster? Will that handle the low light issues of the GH5 and thus make it the better choice? Based on what you have been saying in this video, a lot of the video features and profiles cannot be used on the GH5, when shooting in low light. Seems to me that sort of negates the camera as an all-around useful video camera... UNLESS - you tell me that the sigma lens with speedbooster will make it possible to use all those features... Will it? P.s If I get a GH5s, and a stabilizing lens, will it still benefit me somehow to have a speedbooster, or will I no longer need that item? Sorry for all the questions. Thank you for the help. I am new to all this and want to get the best tool that will support my needs, a few years into the future, before I grow enough to need (and can afford) another camera (like maybe the GH6 that's overdue to be released).
great questions! i feel like i could make a whole video off your post 😂 love it. i think the gh5 would be better for travel videos because of the IBIS and not needing the gimbal. a gimbal is good for some shots but a majority of shots you can get without a gimbal and they look really good handheld with the gh5. i don't think you'll need v-log right away either. cine-d or natural might be better anyway for travel videos if you want quick turnaround. if you don't mind the editing process and color grading and all that jazz then eventually upgrade to it but in the meantime you can get some great results without it. for ease of travel and setup, id probably go without a speedbooster and stick to native lenses. some of the lumix or leica primes have some pretty good max apertures like 1.4 or 1.7. plenty for low light. i'm currently working on a review of the lumix 25mm f1.7 and i tried it in low light and was actually really impressed. as far as low light, you'll be fine. it's not sony low light but you can get some great results with natural and even cine-v. cine-d would work too if you have a faster lens. and yes the gh6 is waaaay overdue.
Surely in low light, the native ISO of 400 is better than 800? Interesting that when talking about using a wide open lens, you just skip the massive expense of the speed booster?
I recently shot a live music gig in a low light bar with 2x GH5S. I brought 3 LED panel lights, but as I roamed with a gimbal I passed over bight areas like the shiny cymbals, and dark areas like the African pianist. The auto exposure metering jumped in quite heavy steps as I panned around, as quick as 2 PAL frames - and it needs a lot of repair with Lumetri key frames. I know I can lock the exposure, but when I've got a black piano player in a black jacket and a reflective drum kit just 6ft apart, I need the exposure to change. But how do I get the level change to slow down to a 1sec fade rather than a 2 frame snap? (like the way you can customise the AF to be slower or less responsive to avoid focus hunting with every tiny movement)
What editing software do you use? I get good results with Davinci's denoiser even with iso3200. And I might get also Neat Video. I heard some good things about that plug in
Hey Caleb, I was looking into buying a GH5+Atomos Ninja for when I’m a two-three man crew, but I’m concerned about the autofocus system. My style is very run and gun, almost always with zoom lenses & vintage glass. Was wondering if you had any tips regarding focus, or if there’s a similar camera that could meet my needs. Thank you!
I also looked at the new A7S III but I’d rather not spend my entire budget on a camera body, F3 but I need something a bit more future proof with stronger AF, and the C100 MK II but again, a bit too much money for me.
Perhaps a silly question but what if you want the speedboost but without having to change the lens adapter type? So for example if I have an Olympus MFT lens for my GH5 but want the speed boost, which one would I get? I am brand new to the GH5 so trying to figure all this stuff out. I know which one to get if I want to use my Canon lenses, but no idea what to use if my lens is already MFT. Never used these Metabones products, first time I heard of them was when I started researching the GH5. Thanks!
@@CalebHoover OK thanks! I've finally started shooting some content with my GH5 and I can't get over how much the autofocus pulses/chases on this camera, soooo frustrating! I've watched dozens of youtube videos and tried all kinds of settings, nothing has helped. Got used to how great my Canon was, this is bruuuutal. I can actually tell when RUclipsrs use a GH5 on autofocus now because the pulsing is so obvious.
I’ve only ever used V-Log on my GH5. Will try Natural Profile & Cine-V for night shoot tests. A question: do I still need to add Rec709 to footage in post when shooting with Natural Profile & Cine-V?
Whats up y'all. I just tested something because I really wondered that you shoot in Standard profile. I compared it with the HLG, wich got reccomended for obvious reasons in another video. I did the same shot with HLG and STD, though STD looks brighter at first, HLG is much much more forgiving with noise. Bumped the HLG up to the level of STD and scaled both up to 1000%. As I guessed, HLG has some noise, yes, but STD does so too. And it is really really nasty and greenish, although the scene was grey. So yeah - do not use STD, use HLG.
Hello, I'm French so sorry for my English. I own a gh5 with a 12-35 f2.8 but I am forced to climb very high in the iso to have a good brightness at night which brings grain. So with this lens what are the best settings to do not to exceed 800 iso and what image profile thank you
hi! you could probably get away with 1600iso but any higher than that you'll get noise in the picture. on the lens, probably stay at f2.8. i think the NAT profile is best for lowlight but I've seen some people use Cine-V. Hope that helps!
Try experimenting with breaking the 180° shutter rule for lo light situations, go 350-360° and you'll gain one extra stop. Not for every situation but its worth a try.
Nice video! I don’t have any tips because......well I shoot Sony low light beast!!! Lol 😂 I had no issues with that cheap 25mm 1.7....I thought it was a great lens!
Great tutorial! Been using the GH5 in Asia (HongKong, Vietnam & Singapore) with VLOG in Low Light and was - coming from a GH4 - pretty amazed by it. Sure its a bit noisy but i think that noise give a good flair. I mostly exposed using my eye and tried to get the exposure assists as best as possible. Shot in 1080p60 in 10bit mode. You can check it out if you want. :)
Dude are u high ? There is no 1.3 Sigma wtf , the lens u are using is 1.8 , I said ok is a problem with the description he just did it wrong and didnt realize, but in one point in the video u even say "1.3" , pls wake up
Very useful tips, Caleb! This will definitely help me shoot my short horror film.
Great video! One thing I've been doing on my GH5 when I'm doing static shots of night cityscapes or whatever is to use VFR but use lower frame rates, either 12fps or even down as low as 2fps, with similar shutter speeds. You can get a great well exposed shot even in very dark conditions, as long as there is minimal movement. Works as a good timelapse technique too, with blurry movement and light trails if you like that sort of thing
wedding videographer here, thanks for the video! Very useful tips, especially one unsing NAT instead of CineD ! I use the 12-35mm lens / 2.8 and can recommend it. It saved me many times in low light situations.
love it!
Cheers bro, lifesaver. I was struggling with a VLog low light studio shoot until I watched this
Low-light tip: Add a light! I know that goes against the term "low light", but most LED lights have a dimmer, so you can tweak the light to just augment the available light with a little bit of fill.
Regards from Stockholm!
I'm a novice with the GH5, picked up a used one for 850 usd.
I got a used Metabones 0.64 and connected an old Nikon F 1.4 50mm with it. I believe the lens is from the '80's and got great results with it! I was stunned to see how much light it pulled in!
Someone who knows what they're doing would get fabulous results!
There are no electronics with the Nikon Metabones, you have to do it all yourself.
I got the idea from a Finnish guy. Joo Works is the name if his channel. I used CineV.
Love your work!
that sounds like a great setup! sometimes i like having to rely on all manual settings. i almost feel like it makes us think through the shot a bit more. i really love using my vintage lens on the gh5 cuz of that very reason. thanks for tuning in!
I just stumbled upon your channel. Very informative but without the annoying fidgety attitute most youtubers have. Subscribed! :)
I was impressed with how well it actually did in the low light
True. ISO 1000, isn’t that bad actually. My Sony A7Sii was obviously better, but the camera itself was frustrating work work with!
it doesn't do too bad if you can get some light in the image and keep the iso down.
yeah those sony's man. kill it in low light but i've never liked the menu or file system.
I think most of the problem with people thinking the GH5 is bad in low light is the fact they underexpose the footage
Your a good teacher. Learning lots about GH5. Relying more on wave form now.
awesome! glad they're bringing you value!
Thnks for the input on the vLog! Great videos! Love watching your stuff!🤓👍
appreciate it!
Still shocks me that you only have 1.8k subs!!! Your quality and content is amazing! You are very dedicated! I've been watching a while now and always it is the 1st thing that I check before the content. Kinda annoying and besides your beard deserve a million subs alone!!! I mean c'mon people can we please comment on that beard ? It's SOOOOOOOOOOO good like it deserves a an upload on it's own, just really needed to say that! Well fucking done on the beard!
Anyway great tips and also I will say that 16mm f1.4 is amazing and like someone else mentioned about the autofocus it really changes alot for me about the GH5 I feels like it never had a problem with autofocus now, Really clean lens and good feel and weight to it! Caleb it is so nice to see you dedicated to helping the GH5 users out there in 2020 it is gaining so much popularity and many are buying this amazing camera in 2020. Have a nice day thanks for video, soon the subs shall come! Idk why so low maybe coz you a naturalist ? 😂😂😂🤔
😊thanks! i'm glad you're enjoying the vids! I've heard good things about that 16mm. Imma need to try that out sometime soon! hopefully those subs will come!
O just buy a GH5 for my B Cam off my other Canon R6, your videos just convinced me to buy a GH5, I am impressed with this camera.
Subscribed
First: great Video and good Tips man. Especially with the use of natural profile. I personally often finding myself using cinev Profile and get good results with that.
Second: there is one more kinda like more untypical tip i can give that Make. Art. Now tought me: Play around with the shutter angle. If your shot is kinda steady u could easily pass the 180 degree rule and get up to 240 or more and still get great looking Images. U should watch his Video of the low light testing of bmcpc4k where He was able to shoot with only moonlight in the night. Incredible work. And even the gh5 is not able to go above 3200 ISO without looking like garbage, u should definitely test IT out.
great word! I'll make sure to find that vid some time soon! appreciate it!
Neat Video has saved me time and time again in post when I have to shoot in low light with the GH5. It adds a lot of rendering time but it entirely removes the grain you'll find when using higher ISO. Thanks for the tips. I always shoot in V-Log so I'm going to give the Natural Profile a shot when shooting in low light.
Caleb, thanks so much for all your tips dude! Very much appreciated! Cheerz from Switzerland
switzerland awesome! thanks for watching!
Very interesting observations re Natural picture profile. I shoot that all the time on my GX80 and also think it's the best picture profile
ive heard some people use cine-v as well. i think i might try that sometime.
Great video! I did watch another video all about treating low light videography in a more staged capacity, rather just expecting to be able capture things as they are.
yeah in the ideal situation having a proper setup for lowlight would be perfect!
I pony’d up the $300 for Davinci Resolve Studio and use the noise reduction tool. It has changed my life. But I know not to depend on it entirely, so great video!
awesome! I've been tempted to try resolve but i'm efficient in premiere and it makes it hard to want to learn something new. thanks for the tip!
Caleb Hoover I hear yah. I started in davinci and I’m tempted to try adobe but same reason, don’t wanna re learn everything if I already got this figured out.
Summary:
When it's dark, make it look dark. Don't just push it to 50 IRE because someone told you that's perfect exposure.
Use a picture profile that crushes shadows, or at least not lift them.
Use a fast lens.
Use a slow shutter speed. Lower your frame rate to get to slower shutter speeds.
Use a light.
Miracles don't exist.
Some of mine:
Reduce the sharpness setting if you haven't already.
Get a good custom whitebalance.
Shoot something that is interesting, engaging and stop worrying about noise.
Thank you for this! Very useful tips I’ve been looking forward to hearing!
awesome! thanks for checking it out!
For fast EF lens owners, the metabones or Viltrox speed booster is the way to go. If going native the Olympus pro 1.2 lenses are a winners but maybe too pricey for some!🙏🏾
i really like those olympus lenses but yeah like you said they are pricey!
As someone about to buy the gh5mk2 your videos are invaluable (subbed by the way). As all the footage will ultimately be put through a video editor, do you have tips regarding rendering or does the camera do a lot of the work internally?
Great videos and thank you.
thanks so much - there's a bunch that works great internally but you'll definitely want to spend some quality editing time on it but natural gives you some quick turnaround
Great video! idynamic low and Natural Profile this is the best setting for low light
thanks for checking it out!
Also, never, never, NEVER use 8 bit, 4:2:0 modes if you can help it and instead use 10 bit, 4:2:2 and All-I compression codec modes (yes, this requires bigger and faster storage devices - SD cards or SSD drives if using an external recorder - as a necessity, but they are absolutely worth it). You need every nth degree of video data to work with in post to get the cleanest and best image you can if you want to deliver your cinematography efforts at semi or pro levels. There isn't a heck of a lot of latitude with these cheaper, small sensor cameras, so keep that in mind.
good word. yeah having that 10 bit 422 is amazing!
I'm going to be shooting a Q&A in a movie theater (Very low light). I've got two Nanlight FS 300s. Depending on where they're sitting. I'll have the lights about 8 feet from them. Pretty sure that will work. Your thoughts?
yes, the struggle is there with the low light situation, i had the problem as well when i first using this gh5, i feel, why this is happening ??? why in the low light situation, the gh5 quite bad? (SORRY), but, same as you do Caleb, there have a trick and compesation when we must shoot in low light, not as much flexible as sony, but its There and possible with GH5 for shooting low light. Quite bit struggle at first because i'm using Sony a7s before GH5.
Now, i always bought a small portable LED light (Pocket size) everywhere, for help me, make a better video result when i must shoot in ISO 1250 or more.
GH5 need little bit "injection" light. ahahaha.
Nice Share Caleb, thank you...
yeah having a little light definitely helps! micro four thirds sensor struggles big time with low light.
It's the smaller sensor and larger megapixel count. That doesn't allow in as much light for each input point on the sensor chip, so there is more noise in the image. The GH5 is more of a day time to very controlled lighting night time camera. Running and gunning in poorly lit areas is not its strength. However, there are tips (like the above) that can help things out. And if all else fails, something like Neat Video can help clean up the image a bit.
Nice video bro. Keep on slaying them.
appreciate it man!
Would be nice to see a video comparation between GH5 and G9 after the firmware update they received. Mostly on video specs. Any chance?
if i can get my hands on a g9 i would totally do that!
Caleb! Great vid! Painting with light is supppper important. I’m finding HLG to be great(not so much in low light) but as far as retaining highlights and shadows, just as good as log in SOME cases. Very informative video, just curious if you’d ever make a vid on how you got started/ got more clients and your approach
i haven't use hlg very much but i would really like to try it out more. sounds like a great idea on a vid about client work. i'll make sure that gets on the list.
Low Light is certainly not a GH5 forte that's for sure. I am a big fan of the dark and grungy look so the times I have done low light work I usually end up making everything grainy and grungy looking. There are a ton of abandoned building in Buffalo that I love to explore so low light come up a lot for me. Thanks for the tips Caleb.
grungy was also one of my favorite types of music! 😁that's perfect for some of those abandoned buildings.
I’ve shot at iso 5.000 with the 25mm f/1.7 and with Neat video I actually got surprisingly good results...the image wasn’t soft and the noise was not much distracting ...
wow that's amazing! thanks for sharing.
Caleb Hoover no thank you for all this amazing content!! Keep it up !!
Caleb Hoover Try shooting HLG. Tried it yesterday with the 25mm f/1.7 at iso 12.800.... I’m not lying and I’m not kidding there was NO NOISE and I didn’t use Neat video. The colours were a little weird and I wasn’t able to correct them properly but there was no noise. I’ll try it again but I think that if you try with the 18-35 the results will be even better
tHANKS FOR THE tIPS!
Happy to help!
Great video Caleb! Nothing like good and motivational content for gives us courage to survive in pandemic days.
keep filming!
The Sigma 16mm f1.4 is another great lens (not only for low light scenes) with a usable autofocus. I use it mainly at f1.7 for more sharpness and if exposed to the brightness like reality (not trying to make from the camera a night vision gadget) I never need to go above ISO 1600 (usually ISO400-800). Further, I made opposing experience with Cinelike D. I find it the best color profile for low light scenes. And if you light up the scene a little bit, you’ll get a great result without any noise (for example my garden at night here: s. from 02:23: ruclips.net/video/g9jQvQO3NKQ/видео.html )
i've heard such great things about the sigma 16mm 1.4! my buddy, thomasvisionfilmstv has used that one before. i agree that the cine-d definitely is usable in low light, just not my go to profile, thats all. i would for sure use cine-d over v-log tho. especially if you're able to light it up a bit. thanks for watching!
low light natural color profile leave the contrast at 0 and not -5, if you reduce the contrast you will introduce a hell of noise. edit : and obviously if not many mouvement in the shoot you can lower the shutterspeed at 1/25 for 25p for exemple.
nice!
I don’t get my iso in my GH5 above 400 because it’s the native. And i try to use my 1.8 vintage lens and use more TUBE RGB 30cm lights. And i use Cine-D. And i like the image that gives. Like the dark night rises. Lot of shadows and a good soft lighting without noises. ❤
ciao Amico mio! secondo me,ancora oggi è la miglior camera x video! thank for video
you're welcome!
Hi caleb thank you for this new video! Can you tell me if the sigma 18-35 still the best combo on gh5 with speebooster? For day and low light? Thank for your work! You make us better with your vid! 😎
i really like the sigma 18-35 speedbooster combo. i think it's very versatile with the focal lengths and the aperture. as always, thanks for watching!
Bro talk about the in lut Into camera . Many ppl don't even know that u can put your lut into the camera and see how it will look when u grade
good call
When it comes to vfr, I just rather keep the shutter speed at 1/50ss instead of using the shutter angle. So I can just manipulate when I want in normal speed vs slow mo when I'm editing.
i might have to give that a shot
Nice one Caleb, as I said before here in the comments your footage in 800 ISO or more looks great! I’m not confident in using over 500 ISO because I see some noise already, do you know why? Am I doing something wrong? Ah, what about the idynamic range function of the GH5? Are you planning to make a video on it? (Or maybe you already did, I’m new to the channel)
i've heard some people have issues with noise while shooting mp4 over mov. just what i've heard but not actually tested a ton myself. i personally have been shooting mov. i haven't done any vids on dynamic range but that's a great idea! thanks for hanging with me on the channel!
Thanks for the tips!
thanks for watching!
Hi watched again!! we need low light killer for gh6 xD
totally agree!
The wave form still works in low light. You just have to adjust how you judge it. You're looking for graphic representation where you want to see something. It's just not going to be 70%. Also slow your shutter.
thanks for the tips!
I want to buy a GH5. Am I wasting my money since it's an old camera? However, I don't believe in age. If it performs really well, I'll buy it. Or do you have other camera recommendations? Also aside from the nice video quality of GH5, I wan t to get GH5 in Marketplaces to save in cost.
This look is great! What lens did you use? Thx- love your channel
i'm pretty sure i was on the sigma 18-35 for this.
Caleb Hoover thx 🙏🏻
i think part about shutter angle at 5:51 is wrong.. increasing shutter angle makes my video brighter, not darker. increasing fps in VFR makes it darker, ur correct about that part and the fact that slow mo is bad in low light. so all things considered it seem that in low light 24 fps with 360 shutter angle seems to be a way to go for a least noisy video. if im wrong please correct me, im trying to figure it out.
Standard PP @ ISO 1600. That king of grain you really want to see, you never hope for it and it's there. Sharpen -5 / NR -5 no other tweek.
Great videos! is that mosaic wall at 2:14 in Sioux Falls South Dakota? If not, I’m crazy. Edit: DUDE! Do you live in Sioux Falls? I stopped the video immediately after I saw the mosaic wall because I thought for sure that was in Sioux Falls and then after I posted my comment I realized that a ton of this is filmed in Sioux Falls LOL, I kind of jumped the gun. I live in Sioux Falls and I also shoot with the amazing GH5.
yeah dood! that's hilarious! 😂 yeah man I'm totally in sioux falls! we'll have to hang sometime and shoot some GH5!
Great video!!! I am wondering what does the noise reduction function do in the picture profile setting?
VERY BAD ADVICE regarding V-Log!
Using V-Log in conjunction with noise reduction in post (especially with NEAT Video) yields the cleanest results, specifically because the noise is more consistently visible across the image, which helps the noise reduction algorithm function more accurately, preventing the typical noise-reduction artifacts.
My normal image pipeline with the GH5 is:
Shoot V-Log at 10bit 4:2:2 400mbps, apply noise reduction on the log image, make whatever additional adjustments, then convert from log to rec.709, either with a technical LUT or as part of the final step, which is retexture with FilmConvert. *(The retexturing is important in order to avoid the introduction of banding during an H.264 export).
When shooting in V-Log, the noise reduction algorithm can remove the noise with very minimal loss of detail, even from footage shot in the camera's highest ISO of 10,800.
If you shoot in any other picture profile, the noise-reduction algorithm isn't able to function as well and will introduce artifacts.
Fast lenses are not always a good solution, especially when you need to keep in focus a deeper area (for example, keeping two actors in focus, when they are in two different distances from the camera, like in the front and back seats of a car). Lighting, which is often the best remedy, is not always the best solution, especially when you want to expose for an existing city-scape for example. In these cases, you are going to need to bump up the ISO to around 1600 - 2500 iso (depending on lens aperture, frame rate, and lighting conditions), and if you do it using V-Log, you will be able to clean the noise that gets introduced in-camera, with little to no loss in detail. If you shoot the way you suggest here (under-expose in lower ISO, using a lossy higher contrast picture profile), you lose those details forever, no matter what you do in post.
Your advice is fine for someone who is not willing to do any post-processing, but then, such a person would not be interested in log workflow anyway. If you titled you video "How to get the best low-light video in-camera with no post-processing", then fine, but as is, your video is WRONG, misguided, and MISLEADING!
I appreciate you taking the time to guide people and provide information, but as a professional, using the GH5 for years on many productions, I must tell you that the information in this particular video is absolute nonsense, and instead of providing guidance, it is spreading misinformation.
dude. seriously. you obviously have NO idea who my videos are targeting. you can shoot your v-log and post process your noise reduction software all you want but don't EVER come back here and say i'm MISLEADING anyone. my video is literally called how to get the best low light video with the gh5 NOT how to edit and clean up your crappy v-log gh5 low light footage. smh
@@CalebHoover, as one of your subscribers, I am one of the people you are targeting. I was not attacking you, but rather trying to provide valuable information to you and others who might watch this video. After numerous tests in real-world situation, it became clear to me, that while higher contrast picture profiles can hide the noise better in camera (your proposed approach), which is completely valid if you need to get the cleanest image straight out of camera, they limit your flexibility in ISO settings, dynamic range, lens apature, and when under-exposing like your video suggests, can also cause loss of detail and banding. My suggestion was, that if a person has the time in their post production work-flow to process the image properly, shooting V-log and applying noise reduction while still in Log, provides the cleaner and higher quality results.
Since you shook your head and attacked me and the quality of my footage, even though you don't know me and never seen any of my footage, I find your hostile tone a bit out of place. I was merely trying to contribute solid information to you and your viewers. And fine, I'll never contribute helpful comments to your channel again.
@@yshrem if this is what you wanted to say just say that and don't say i'm misleading and wrong, when i'm not. you said yourself. if you want to contribute to the conversation (which i always encourage people to do) than do that without attacking in your hostile tone in your first message, which of course I'll take defense to because of how you said it. grace and peace.
yes maybe title of the video :"How to get the best LOW LIGHT Video with your Panasonic GH5" is misleading.
Great Video!
Did you film that Video in natural with your settings from your video about the natural profile? And which lut did you use?
yeah i used the natural settings from my other vid and I used my RUclips punch lut mostly.
The Gh5s is also a king of low light
For low light your configuration is good. You can use also canon 50mm f1.8
yeah the gh5s would be much better in low light.
Awesome video
Thanks!
I have filmed in cinema-d without any problem, the same with HLG ... and of course, with a suitable color correction. if you have a correct white balance, the job is much easier to do. y por supuesto el sigma 18-35
cine-d is a great profile i just don't use it much
Great tips! Why do you prefer the natural profile over standard on the Gh5?
i just really like the colors from the natural. just a little deeper maybe
Good stuff. I guess it's not too applicable to me because I have the gh5s. But I can always use these tricks anyway to get better results, no matter the camera. My first Panasonic camera was a Ag 15p shoulder mout miniDV, and it sucked in lowlight. That was 2001 though...
yeah that gh5s is a little better in low light. thanks for checking out the vid!
so can you use 24p and the shutter angle at 180? Using the G9II now
Random question my camera seems to be stuck at 3x and I can't get out of zoom mode or switch back to 1x or regular zooming in and out doesn't work any thing you can help out ?
maybe go into the menu and see if there's a zoom feature that's turned on somehow. if your on a gh5 check under the second menu option with focus and zoom items.
@@CalebHoover I just found out that it was a lenses issues where I would gain more light and it was not zooming. but I'm happy with the lenses that give more light as far as the menu I tried seems to be just the sense
hey I know it is offtopic, but would you recommend me purchasing v-log for my GH5 ?
I came to watch this video again..just to give it slither view
thanks for watching!
I'm using a GH5S I shot it at 400 ISO in 10bit 180 degrees with F.5.6 with really bright LED lights, but I still got noise on my shots, especially in shadows or certain colors. someone suggested ditching the 180-degree shutter and adjusted as I need to remove digital noise artifacts. they say the GH5S is great for low light but my experience has been the opposite. can you suggest a setting that works with less amount of noise?
Having the same issue - shooting in CineV, indoors, two lights....and getting truly awful noise - please help if you managed to sort your noise issues, any help is much appreciated!
Hey bro do you have video and camera setting to download pls.. Thanks in advance
i don't have a download for that but others have asked so I might need to do that. thanks for asking!
@@CalebHoover Thank you so much bro your camera shots is so amazing
I Need So Much Help... Picking Up Photography and trying not to give up!!
enjoy it and experiment!
I don't get how you shoot at f1.3 with a f1.8 lens lol ,what am I missing?
speedbooster
Take a shot for every time he says "low light situations"
😂 at least you're paying attention
I was thinking of getting a GH5, or a GH5s. I plan to use the camera more for video than for photography, and I will be out in the field shooting tourism style video, so often I will be using it handheld. I know the GH5 has stabilization, but the GH5s does not. The GH5s works better in low light, comes with V-log, and some better specs on video. If I get a lens that has stabilization, will it make the GH5s good enough in regard to stabilization? If so, what lens do you recommend for that purpose?
Someday I may get a Ronin gimbal... but not in the near future.
Or...
Should I get the GH5 and then a sigma lens with a viltrox speed booster? Will that handle the low light issues of the GH5 and thus make it the better choice?
Based on what you have been saying in this video, a lot of the video features and profiles cannot be used on the GH5, when shooting in low light. Seems to me that sort of negates the camera as an all-around useful video camera... UNLESS - you tell me that the sigma lens with speedbooster will make it possible to use all those features... Will it?
P.s If I get a GH5s, and a stabilizing lens, will it still benefit me somehow to have a speedbooster, or will I no longer need that item?
Sorry for all the questions. Thank you for the help. I am new to all this and want to get the best tool that will support my needs, a few years into the future, before I grow enough to need (and can afford) another camera (like maybe the GH6 that's overdue to be released).
great questions! i feel like i could make a whole video off your post 😂 love it. i think the gh5 would be better for travel videos because of the IBIS and not needing the gimbal. a gimbal is good for some shots but a majority of shots you can get without a gimbal and they look really good handheld with the gh5. i don't think you'll need v-log right away either. cine-d or natural might be better anyway for travel videos if you want quick turnaround. if you don't mind the editing process and color grading and all that jazz then eventually upgrade to it but in the meantime you can get some great results without it. for ease of travel and setup, id probably go without a speedbooster and stick to native lenses. some of the lumix or leica primes have some pretty good max apertures like 1.4 or 1.7. plenty for low light. i'm currently working on a review of the lumix 25mm f1.7 and i tried it in low light and was actually really impressed. as far as low light, you'll be fine. it's not sony low light but you can get some great results with natural and even cine-v. cine-d would work too if you have a faster lens. and yes the gh6 is waaaay overdue.
@@CalebHoover Thank you.
@@mgelin574 Just lens stabilization versus GH5 ibis / dual IS is night and day difference.
Surely in low light, the native ISO of 400 is better than 800?
Interesting that when talking about using a wide open lens, you just skip the massive expense of the speed booster?
yup speedboosters are expensive. hot take.
I recently shot a live music gig in a low light bar with 2x GH5S. I brought 3 LED panel lights, but as I roamed with a gimbal I passed over bight areas like the shiny cymbals, and dark areas like the African pianist. The auto exposure metering jumped in quite heavy steps as I panned around, as quick as 2 PAL frames - and it needs a lot of repair with Lumetri key frames. I know I can lock the exposure, but when I've got a black piano player in a black jacket and a reflective drum kit just 6ft apart, I need the exposure to change. But how do I get the level change to slow down to a 1sec fade rather than a 2 frame snap? (like the way you can customise the AF to be slower or less responsive to avoid focus hunting with every tiny movement)
Better prime fast lens , zoom lenses no good in low light.
yeah primes would definitely be the way to go in low light!
No it’s depend. The Lumix 10-25 it’s very good, sigma 18-35 and 50-100.
What editing software do you use? I get good results with Davinci's denoiser even with iso3200. And I might get also Neat Video. I heard some good things about that plug in
i don't use plug ins for it but i might have to give those a shot
Hey Caleb, I was looking into buying a GH5+Atomos Ninja for when I’m a two-three man crew, but I’m concerned about the autofocus system. My style is very run and gun, almost always with zoom lenses & vintage glass. Was wondering if you had any tips regarding focus, or if there’s a similar camera that could meet my needs. Thank you!
I also looked at the new A7S III but I’d rather not spend my entire budget on a camera body, F3 but I need something a bit more future proof with stronger AF, and the C100 MK II but again, a bit too much money for me.
that a7iii is still really a great camera. great in low light, awesome autofocus, fantastic lens lineup. those are a bit cheaper.
Perhaps a silly question but what if you want the speedboost but without having to change the lens adapter type? So for example if I have an Olympus MFT lens for my GH5 but want the speed boost, which one would I get? I am brand new to the GH5 so trying to figure all this stuff out. I know which one to get if I want to use my Canon lenses, but no idea what to use if my lens is already MFT. Never used these Metabones products, first time I heard of them was when I started researching the GH5. Thanks!
i'm not sure what to use for speed boosting native lenses. i've only done it for adapting lenses
@@CalebHoover OK thanks! I've finally started shooting some content with my GH5 and I can't get over how much the autofocus pulses/chases on this camera, soooo frustrating! I've watched dozens of youtube videos and tried all kinds of settings, nothing has helped. Got used to how great my Canon was, this is bruuuutal.
I can actually tell when RUclipsrs use a GH5 on autofocus now because the pulsing is so obvious.
I’ve only ever used V-Log on my GH5. Will try Natural Profile & Cine-V for night shoot tests. A question: do I still need to add Rec709 to footage in post when shooting with Natural Profile & Cine-V?
no you shouldn't need to add any rec709
Whats up y'all. I just tested something because I really wondered that you shoot in Standard profile. I compared it with the HLG, wich got reccomended for obvious reasons in another video. I did the same shot with HLG and STD, though STD looks brighter at first, HLG is much much more forgiving with noise. Bumped the HLG up to the level of STD and scaled both up to 1000%. As I guessed, HLG has some noise, yes, but STD does so too. And it is really really nasty and greenish, although the scene was grey. So yeah - do not use STD, use HLG.
i really need to test out that HLG. I haven't used it. I'll do it in a future vid maybe
Is GH5ii better for low light?
Hello, I'm French so sorry for my English. I own a gh5 with a 12-35 f2.8 but I am forced to climb very high in the iso to have a good brightness at night which brings grain. So with this lens what are the best settings to do not to exceed 800 iso and what image profile thank you
hi! you could probably get away with 1600iso but any higher than that you'll get noise in the picture. on the lens, probably stay at f2.8. i think the NAT profile is best for lowlight but I've seen some people use Cine-V. Hope that helps!
Try experimenting with breaking the 180° shutter rule for lo light situations, go 350-360° and you'll gain one extra stop. Not for every situation but its worth a try.
Which one is better for video Gh5 or Gh5s ?
guys?
Sorry. It's Gh5s.
Keep in mind GH5s doesn’t have stability.
What if i put frames to 24fps and apply optical flow for those smooth slomo shots? Will that work?
yeah definitely give that a shot! worth a try
@@CalebHoover thank you nd a happy New Year!!😄
I own a canon 50mm 1.2 on a ghs and I don’t even know why in watched this video
😂we all have our moments!
First!! Boom!
Nice video! I don’t have any tips because......well I shoot Sony low light beast!!! Lol 😂 I had no issues with that cheap 25mm 1.7....I thought it was a great lens!
yeah sony is where it's at with low light, that's for sure!
I literally only use my gh5 as a webcam now haha
Great tutorial! Been using the GH5 in Asia (HongKong, Vietnam & Singapore) with VLOG in Low Light and was - coming from a GH4 - pretty amazed by it. Sure its a bit noisy but i think that noise give a good flair.
I mostly exposed using my eye and tried to get the exposure assists as best as possible. Shot in 1080p60 in 10bit mode. You can check it out if you want. :)
nice!
I think you hold the record of saying "GH5" in any video.
keyword bro
You can't get "good" low light results with these cameras, relatively speaking. Other options are just inherently so much better.
Great upload! I think you'd enjoy my content too. Keep up with your great work!
thanks for checking it out!
1000 iso is ok
HLG ETTR
rright on
Dude are u high ? There is no 1.3 Sigma wtf , the lens u are using is 1.8 , I said ok is a problem with the description he just did it wrong and didnt realize, but in one point in the video u even say "1.3" , pls wake up
Why oh why do you want bright images in a dark environment? Completely useless video sorry
not about bright images. it's about usable images.