All the Hidden Clues about the Dancing Lion Boss - Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- From looking at the little details about its visual appearance to all of its similarities to lion dance performances, I take a SUPER close look at everything we can see so far. Omen, Misbegotten, and lions- oh my!
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:37 Visual design 
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No offense to Messmer, but this boss absolutely stole the trailer for me from an already perfect showcasing. The design is impeccable, and something so inspired that I've never seen anything like it. There's so much that you can glean from its less than 30 seconds on screen. If anyone has a design they like as much as I love this eerie creature, please drop it in the responses cause man I haven't stopped thinking about this boss since the trailer dropped.
Same
Great vid as always!!!! As long as the being under the lion costume is NOT a royal revenant, I'm good!!! Can't wait!!!!!!!!!
Oh my.. why has nobody modded a giant revenant boss yet? Reborn? Convergence? Get on that!
It could be two Omens under the lion costume, with their horns sticking through.
Smartest take I've heard
exactly what i thought like it has it own Omen/crucible curse running through out so your onto something also minor thing i see is the horns on back of the white hair look similar to the horns on the spear using crucible knight helms
ugh, I thought it was obvious that the ones under the costume are omens. I mean the horns, the hands and legs, everything looks similar to Morgott etc.
My first impression of this boss was it was some how honoring Godfrey the same way Radahn was with his helmet.
I think Miyazaki confirmed the lion dance boss is from a culture prior to the Erdtree. I think it might be in veneration to Serosh and it's kind
Dude it’s the king of the stormveil knights/storm king/banished knights
Imagine they actually got lion dancers to motion capture its moves. Be so cool
The color, size, and look of the humanoids operating the Lion costume look like they could be either Dueslists or Pumpkin Heads.
As a former traditional lion-dancer, I'm so excited for this boss!
A couple things I've noticed with the slowed down footage:
The color of the dancers, is similar to Morgott and other Omen-afflicted enemies.
The other big thing I noticed while you were talking about the teeth. The inner teeth match that of the traditional frames. Traditionally, "Chinese lions" are vegetarian by myth, hence the really flat-teeth with only a few fangs to show danger and ferocity.
The outer teeth however, and the slowed clip of the dancer's hand gripping the lower jaw also shows that the upper lips, look like torn skin. Meaning that the inner teeth are part of the frame and the outer teeth are possibly from a skinned lion. Clearly it's an omen-afflicted beast, like the lions we've encountered before. The horns could be from the beast pelt OR they could be from the omen dancers.
Fantastic analysis!
I didn't know that the lions had cut-off horns on them, props to you for pointing that out! Makes the connection between them and the lion costume more plausible and intriguing
9:48 a lot of people are suggesting that could be a deathblight breath attack but It doesn't really have the same coloration as the other death blight breath attacks in the game. It looks more like a beastial breath attack that does physical damage like the other beast incants.
The clips you incorporated of the real-life dancers was so neat. This sent me down a thread of watching behind the scenes videos of these performers. Had no idea how complex some of those costumes are!
Elden Ring keeps on giving.
Great video!
After two years of Elden Ring I've remained subscribed to very few channels, but along with the big boys, this channel is one of my main stays particularly because it always manages to produce and analyze astute and unique observations that are somehow missed or neglected by the rest.
PS: I found this channel on a cool collaboration with A Human Justicar, and that channel also stayed on my subscriptions because of a good eye for interesting findings too.
Awww thank you so much, I really appreciate your support and continued interest! I know there is a LOT of content out there so it really is nice to hear that ❤️
when you pointed out that the first guy was standing on the other guys back during that breath attack my mind was kinda blown lol i never would’ve noticed that, this boss already looks absolutely amazing
Another thing to note is that this is one of the few bosses that uses golden lightning which is related to Godwyn
Maybe grafting wasn’t seen as something abhorrent as we were led to believe when we venture to Stormveil castle but actually a honorable rite of passage in the age of the crucible. In the trailer there’s a lion statue somewhere else that had horns in it almost around an altar or something so it’s just so interesting to see a lot of those preconceived notions the main game gave us almost shattered with this realm of shadow.
.....how did I never notice that horns, breath, tail and wings are all present in dragons?! Thanks for the video!
Thank you!! 😊
This was a really cool inspection of a very specific enemy! I appreciate the insights here and how you broke down each individual attack while referencing back to what info we do have from the base game. Cool shoutouts to those other channels, too!!
I wanna see the 2nd phase of this boss 👀👀👀
Two large naked giants that you will be wishing wore loincloths!
🤣🤣🤣 knowing Miyazaki I wouldn't be surprised
I like that idea. I was going to suggest that it might turn into a strange animal/person messed up merge looking kindof like Ludwig with more meow.. but two naked giants def seems more frightening.
I'm always so impressed at your amazing attention to detail, thanks for all the awesome videos! :)
Thank you so much for your support!! ❤️❤️ So glad you all enjoy them!
Feels symbolic for two Omen-esque figures to be under a lion. Like Morgott and Mogh under Godfrey.
Yeah great idea, some people have mentioned maybe the discarded corpse of Godwyn’s son…
The entire boss is probably just a lion dancer suit, my reasoning is that when it performs its grab attack, its mouth slams shut a couple times, it really sounds like the jaw is made of wood.
Yay I got here early haha. This is the boss that I'm most excited to learn about and fight! I'm commenting on this before I watch but I'm sure it's a great video.
Same! This the the character they spent the second most amount of time to next to Messmer, so we know it's going to be a big fight!
Fingers crossed!@@kitetales
Probably mentioned, but there is a fifth aspect of the Crucible: fire breath. We get it from the Crucible Knight guarding Tanith.
she did mention it, horns, tail, wings and breath
The best in-depth video I have seen of the DLC so far
Hi! So glad you're back , shame i can't watch the old vids but happy to see new,,!
Oh yeah I had to get rid of things because it was hurting my channel ☹️
The lion is clearly Merica’s dad but instead of step dad replacement there’s just 2.5 dads now
Honestly I’d kill for more long form content. Just got done with your faeries theory, and man I need more!
Oo this is good to hear I can do that!
@@kitetales I didn’t expect a response at all! I just really enjoy how your takes substantially deviate from the other content creators, you provide a unique perspective that I feel fits within the story of the game and I’m excited to see what you, and all of the other creators, have to say when that dlc comes out!!
Great points! I didn't catch the omen horns on the lion statues on my own.
One thing I haven't seen many people talk about much is that the lion has long golden hair, kind of like Maria's.
The green eyes might also be like Roderika's
You can get a lot of info out of a short bit of footage. Great job!
Awesome analysis
This Lion quite literally didn't let me sleep the night of the release day lol. It is amazing and just horrifying.
Out of everything shown in the trailer, this boss is what I'm most excited for!
Excellent deep dive! The ornamentation of the Sun at 6:46 is an amazing catch. I have been hypothesizing that the Crucible/Erdtree Aligned were enemies of the long faded Sun Realm. With the growth of the giant Golden Erdtree the light of the Sun is overshadowed you could say.
With this clearly Crucible aligned Lion Dancer bearing Sun ornamentation it could be the case that at one point the Crucible and the Sun Realm could have been allied, after all any growing tree needs some sunlight to grow. There seem to be many factions that fall under the Sun Realm such as the Banished Knights, the Storm Hawks, the Beast Men, and possibly the Ancient Dragons, this leads me to believe that the Sun Realm was a far reaching empire that incorporated many different cultures.
The British Empire was called "the empire on which the sun never sets" because of its global control and the amount of cultures subjugated to its colonialism. The Crucible could be one of those cultures or colonies that were subjugated to Sun Realm rule, but through war and revolt, the Sun Realm is faded and forgotten and the Erdtree is the dominant power within the Lands Between. One master traded for another, one empire for another.
It would then make sense as to why the King of Beasts, Serosh, would be associated with the leader of the Crucible Knights and warlord who fought to establish the Age of the Erdtree, Horah Loux.
"They were never saints, they were just on a losing side of a war"
If you have no idea what Im talking about I am sorry lol
Wow, you really know your stuff. Very impressive video.
Thank you so much!
great research!
Great video! Everything you said lines up with my idea that it's somehow a reference to the crucible or maybe even a celebration of it. Maybe some of the people in the shadow realm still worship the crucible and this lion dance is part of their celebration of it.
Another comment for the algorithm to just say I’m glad I found this channel
Thank you so much!! 🙏
The twisting ornaments of the surrounding arena look like they're built in representation of the twisting trees in place of the Erdtree. Very interesting parallels and contrasts between the Lands Between and here; it's like a lot of things are reflected based on what's valued. I've been replaying Elden Ring and looking MUCH more closely at all of the details they hide into their game, it's so much fun to find connections
o boy maliketh reskinned with death blight breath so fun
I feel like this is a Omen Serosh holding himself together with new limbs after Godfrey sacrificed him to reach his nen restrictions but as stated he doesn’t look enough like Serosh but the thought of a Lion Dancer never crossed me that was a great idea
I can say this about fromsoft games: they have some fantastic enemy designs and attention to detail.
The sun and wind motif is a really interesting find as the boss seems to use elemental magic
The twisted drapes and pillars also match the hair of the person shown in the painting behind the old man!
Please let this be some hint that we’re getting more details on Empyrean Shadows and Beast Regents 🤞🤞 excellent video!
People keep saying it reminds them of the lion dancers, but the first time I seen it my immediate thought was that it gave me Krampus vibes.
So cool 😊
the first thing i thought when i saw this boss is beast clergyman/maliketh, so i wonder if it will reveal itself as something else in phase two. i agree it probably won't be whoever is under the costume; but i'm hoping it will be amazing. also, nice to see you make an appearance! i've heard creating shorts and doing polls is beneficial for the algorithm.
We might get another second phase cape drop moment that shows something that rivals what we’ve seen so far! Oh yes shorts, I keep forgetting I can actually do some of those instead of longer projects; will definitely try those too! Thank you for the suggestion!! 🙏
I absolutely love the design of this boss, I cannot stop thinking about it. I'm so excited to face this thing in the DLC.
I'm under the impression we have 2 Pumpkin Heads grafted together with the head/neck of a lion like Serosh, sort of like how Ludwig looks. There might even be 3 of them because at one point you can see more than 4 legs.
awesome video! i assume you saw Miyazaki’s interview confirming it IS inspired by the lion dance? Great investigation!
Fromsoft are so good at making your first impression of an image be "What the fuck am I looking at?" This was my reaction to the Lion Dancers when I first saw them. Great video, absolutely loved it!
I suspect that the Land of Shadow might be tied to the Lands Between in a "as above, so below" way, in which case I suspect the Lion Dancer might be the Land of Shadow's embodiment of the Golden Lineage. The lion itself would be Serosh and Godfrey, of course. The lightning it wields would represent Godwyn the Golden at his height, and the smoke it exhales would represent Godwyn at his nadir (Deathblight). The Omen horns would represent Morgott, who is of the Golden Lineage and at the start of the game, the only true member of the Golden Lineage who is active in the Lands Between (Godrick was adopted, or you could say, "grafted" onto the family tree).
its definitely omen twins under there
We know that the guardian lions are not like how they used to be, they previously came in a different form known as Golden Lions which were much more beloved and well treated. Golden Lions are on Radahn’s armor for example. We can safely assume that these Golden Lions don’t exist in the current order of the Erdtree, but that they might have previously. Since the Shadow Lands seem to have been isolated and don’t seem impacted by the affairs of the Lands Between it might be that this lion pelt is from a Golden Lion as it would have existed previously. We’re not going back in time, but the culture of the Shadow Lands seems to have been effectively put into stasis.
A lot of people assume Radahn’s armor features iconography of Serosh, but it lacks facial scarring too. My idea is that Serosh is a member of this Golden Lion species of which Guardian Lions, Radahn’s armor iconography, and this pelt are all part of (or bringing to mind) too.
Few things I thought I’d add about the design of the arena and boss.
The golden shoulder pauldrons are very similar to those seen on Mohg’s robes. I’ve always been intrigued about his talk of a dynasty amidst the ruins of the Ancient Dynasty, and I have a suspicion that he’s surrounding himself with the finery and imagery of what is likely a precursor civilization to the Golden Order. Real world rulers do the same thing, appropriating imagery and customs to help legitimize their rule.
I think you might be onto something about a potential Misbegotten connection. While the boss superficially resembles a lion, its face is an uncanny mix of humanoid and leonine features, much like what we see with the Misbegotten. I also find the design of its mane a bit curious, as it’s matted almost like it’s wet. The trees in the background, quite puzzlingly, have the same golden, matted “hair” hanging from them. But the real kicker is that the Prince of Death also sports similar hair.
Speaking of Death, however, I don’t think its breath attack is inflicting Deathblight. The grey mist is missing the golden flecks we see in Fia’s mist and the basilisk spit. It’s much more reminiscent of the rock breath that the Stray Demon in DS3 uses.
Keeping on the topic of Death, there’s a very interesting detail hidden in the background of the shot with the dancer’s jumping lunge. On the stairs between the brazen lion statues, there’s three layers of this white, flabby looking substance draped over the steps. If you ask me, this looks like freshly peeled Godskin
Well they shadow land definitely has inspiration from grafted or combined animals… so a misbegotten lion wouldn’t be surprising. Also the lands seems to those who are without light, so a twisted version of erdtree
I actually think that breath attack is more in line with the stone beast incantations we get from Gurranq. It looks grey and you can see stones flying up from the ground from the force of the attack. It's missing the signature black/gold look of the death blight mist and I don't think just the mist would have the force to sheer rock from the ground like that.
The withered tree at 11:55 looks somewhat like the two fingers but older
The mane almost looks more like hair. Reminds me of Godwyn!
I think we might get to do some kind of lightning counter attack. The dancer jumps up and simmons lightning but when it was about to fire it was hit by another lightning strike. Its very weird
So yeah there is actually three of them inside of it as it appears in one of the later trailers
I think we're missing something... I don't think it's a lion's face, I think that's meant to be a mockery of Marika's face, hair and 'crown of horns'
I was also reminded of lion dancer costumes. So it's two monsters hiding under a monster costume?? BTW Serosh gets discarded at the end of the main game so why would this be his pelt? Maybe someone elses.
Could it be the omen/beast leader of old as talked about by the Undead Archaeologist?
I think this is the king of stormveil based on the lion symbolism found in stormveil + the horns
I feel like this might be a reverse version of Ornstein and Smough. It becomes a 2-v-1 during the second phase.
On another video someone called this boss two gnomes in a trenchcoat and that's kind of perfect
Perfect description
Good video! Regarding the source of inspiration for this boss, there is another one besides the Chinese Lion Dance, which is the French Tarasque, a mythological creature.
Here's a brief summary from Wikipedia: "the beast had a lion-like head, a body protected by turtle-like carapace(s), six feet with bear-like claws, a serpent's tail, and could expel a poisonous breath."
There are festitivies where a Tarasque effigy is paraded, with people inside of it (similar to the Lion Dance). And commonly it has a turtle shell with twisted horns (just like the omen horns that the new boss has).
Oo I just looked that up; reminds me a lot of the Flame Chariots!!
@@kitetales I didn't really make the connection to the Flame Chariots because those are more like a giant face fire tank haha 😅😅.
Now the Tarasque on the other hand shares many elements with this new boss, particularly the lion head, the twisted horns in its body, the poisonous breath attack (although the boss could be expelling something else from its mouth instead of poison), and the numerous feet (and of course the fact that people parade inside a Tarasque costume in a similar fashion to the Lion Dance).
So I guess we could say this boss is a very interesting mix of eastern and western cultures.
I’m just going off the image on Wikipedia:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Tarasque_in_Tarascon_02.jpg
@@kitetales Oooh ok that one certainly gives flame chariot vibes haha 😂
Check out this other image, I think it illustrates some of the features I mentioned before:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/Desanat%281846%29-p000-frontispiece.jpg
Oo love this design!!
My theory is mogh and morgot got bored and decided to get a new profession together😊
That is the twist NO ONE saw coming
🤔makes sense…seems legit😂😂😂
Togetha
we need a divine beast dancing lion plushie ^^
I wonder If this boss will have se condo phase and we’ll see what’s bellow the costume
It might be operated by twin omens and the horns sticking out could be coming from them.
this boss might be a callback to the land of reeds (samurai character origin) seeing that the land of reeds is the only(?) eastern inspired location in this game
Twins/a pair dancing in a red and white garb reminiscent of the Omen, Sirrosh, and Godfrey? Something something symbolic of Morgott and Mohg maybe along with everything here?
Hecking great video :>
Looking at that big tree in the back of the butterfly spell scene makes me thing that it is a Two Fingers that turned into a tree. They do turn to wood after dying so becoming a tree isn't too outlandish. Anyone else seeing what I'm seeing?
Does anyone know what happened to the Super Mario and Alien Isolation playthroughs on this channel? Those were very near and dear to my heart
Sorry about that man! Had to get rid of a lot of stuff because I basically screwed up my channel algorithm
There's people inside operating it and I think it would be cool if ut was a bunch of people grafted together like godrick and as u fight it pieces fall of and it gets faster and more aggressive
Not a theory , just wondering if any one noticed , i started a new playthrough , because i love this game! The straight teeth of the two sets can also be found on the mis begotten , just thought that was interesting.
Yeah I mentioned that in the video 😅
獅子舞、赤いダンサー、踊ろ！
I think they might also be grafted omens who worships a crucible religion. Foot looks just like Morgott's feet, the height is correct too.
They may or may not be grafted, as that used to be a practice related to the crucible and ''mixing animal parts''; but that's part is just a guess. Crucible aspects used to be holy after all.
Good analysis. Take this subscription, tarnished!
My first thought was that the legs and arms look like Morgott's
I didn't even see the back legs what? 😮 I wonder if there omens under that skin? Cause if you compare their foot to morgott foot you can see the similarity.
That doesn’t look like death blight smoke to me
Yeah it's either a new type of attack or it's gravel stone
2:17 peekaboo
Hopefully this goes seen because it’s so off topic but…how do you get your footage for lies of p?!?!? I cant for the life of me find a mod or way to do the cinematic camera for the game on PC!
Oh it’s a paid mod from Otis Inf! You have to subscribe to his patreon to get it but I highly recommend it! www.patreon.com/Otis_Inf
@@kitetales Ah okay thank you so much!!
Bro that's Godwyn!
You and miss chalice need to collab for a sleepy times video
The Priests of St. Trina inflicting sleep magic huh? 👀
its Godwyn, or supposed to represent him ❤
I don’t think the Lion is using a deathblight incantation. I think it’s a bestial incantation, like Gurranq’s rock throws…which makes sense because that arena looks very similar to Farum Azula.
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Freddy Fazbear looking a little different ngl.
Since they use golden lighting witch originates from godwyn my little theary is that these two are omen twins sons of godwyn
We know godwyn was an honorable demigod who befriended the dragons so i don't think he would be cool with casting he's sons into the sewers
So instead he "banished" them to the land of shadow a burning land of war yes but still a land we're they would be free and we're they would be able to make their own destiny
Oh my gosh this is my favorite theory I’ve seen so far!! That would be such an amazing twist, really good job with this!! This is officially going to be my guess now
I have a very controversial take on this guy. See if you like it!
I think this guy is Godwynn..
1. Deathblight magic
2. Ligthning magic (reminiscent of his friendship with the dragons)
3. Golden Hair with braids, which really remembers his image at the opening cinematic.
4. Godwynn was son of Godfrey, he was touched by the crucible.
5. It is said Miquela let go of his Flesh and all things golden to enter the Lands of Shadow. Maybe Miquela went ther to put an end to Godwynn (as told in the sword Golden Epitaph)
6. This one is a big leap, but Godrick the Grafted may not be the first one to use grafting.
Ooo that's a great theory I LOVE it! It'd explain why he's so big too, like the other demi-god kids.
It's interesting to me that in a game based almost entirely on European mythology, that the pre-golden order culture seems to have east Asian influences. Kind of apt honestly, that a European based culture took over and demonized the existing culture that was already there. It'll be cool to see just how much east Asian influence is in the crucible aspects of the game.
I think they hunted the Lions and wore their skins to scare the other lions. The lions eventually won, and we're brought to the future realm. It's a lot like the snakes on the bronze helmets. I think this is a cerimonial boss before the real boss. I also think it's a showcase of multilegged beings over uneven terain.
It’s mohg and margott
This thing looks like it has a human nose(at least in the first shot) which is weird… looks like a lion at first but on second glance this looks like a human lion hybrid
That's obviously Morgott and Mohg's *quintuple
Dang Marika went a little too hard on the IVF
@@kitetales She should be charged with child negligence
I don’t think that’s a lion, I believe it’s Morgott corrupted in some way
Are we even sure it's a lion ? I mean the "guys" are trying to portray the thing like one but the shape of the head is more misbegoten like imo