Lost all of my 50/50s to S11 and Koleda - both at M2. I love S11 and even though I’m sad to have lost those 50/50s to Koleda (would prefer it to have been Neko), she carried my Caesarless teams in critical shiyu and endless tower with her s and stun uptime (M2 paying off). Def picking Lycaon just to finish my ice teams so they don’t have to run with Anburger anymore. Guess I’m never getting Lighter :D
Hm, yes Rina is far better with her M1 and at that point I would argue she is far better than any other Standard agent including Lycaon. Her massive almost 39% pen debuff will only increase in effectiveness while the attack buff from others will only decrease with Hoyo inevitably buffing the defense and resistance of enemies. Rina will get only stronger as the game progresses because of that.
@@minyaw1234 100% agree, I kind of rate them similarly at that point, just because you can only get considerable value out of her 3s shock extension in disorder teams with an electric anomaly char. If pen ratio becomes easier though, I could see her becoming viable as a general support, we’ll have to wait and see!
I'm planning on getting S11. I love her playstyle and character. I've wanted her since I started the game at the beginning of Jane's banner. On top of that, I'm planning on getting Lighter, so S11 just feels right to me. I don't have Rina and I already have both Koleda and Lycaon with his signature, but I feel like I would have the most fun like this.
@@Swansong127 definitely a big advocate for playing around characters with playstyles and designs you like so this is definitely the best choice for you!
I'm definitely gonna grab Soldier 11. I personally don't like playing any of the balabog characters for my fire team, so I'll probably try to work with Lighter, S11, and Lucy
I own Lighter, he's pretty good,but I'm using him as a sub-stunner. My Lighter's drive disc set is 4 piece Swing Jazz 2 piece Shockstar Disco. An alternative to 4 piece set Swing Jazz is 4 piece set Proto Punk.
@@waifuhunter2302 I mean yeah if he’s not the primary stunner and you want to bring him for damage buffs, for sure you could sacrifice some daze from 4 set shockstar to run a support 4 set instead
The only standard S rank agents I'm missing are Koleda, S11 and Neko. But idk if I should go for them or get dupe for either Lycaon or Rina. Grace is permanently benched lmao
@@ShubhamBH22 if you can find a use for Koleda she’s pretty good, or if you need a 2nd dps then S11 or Nekomata are good options depending on who you can use to support them/which playstyle you like better
I am going to select Nekomata and no one can stop me. honestly, none of the standard S characters I am missing would contribute anything significant to my comps, so I might just as well go by fav design. also I've got a pile of steel cushions......
Bruh, already got half of the s ranks from the pool before even hitting 200 pulls on the banner. Only option left for me choose is lycaon for my lighter, miyabi team.
Were you saying that anomaly teams don't want stun or a stunner? Because anomaly teams most CERTAINLY want to stun the enemies they are fighting as it is in fact a damage increase on the proc of their elemental anomaly, on top of that a stunned enemy is easy to set up a solid damage window with. The teams may not want specifically a STUNNER but they for sure want stuns.
@@dogofsong7952 it depends, a lot of my anomaly teams kill in shiyu BEFORE the stun comes through, and a lot of Jane teams suffer a dps loss from stunning. If you factor in weeping gemini, where the effect resets after stunning then yes, that can also cause a dps loss, idk what I said, but I did mean a stunner for the role, not stun itself. I mean Yanagi for example quite enjoys stun because you can load all your exs and ult into a single window for huge damage, but I do find her killing enemies before it matters.
It's not as important as attackers, anomaly does high damage across the board. You will see a lot of Yanagi with Burnice and Lucy, anomaly is mostly about filling the meter or creating disorders. Not to mention anomalies do more stun damage per proc thanks to the patch, so no, they literally don't need a stunner it's just nice to have.
@@joshuajackson5203agreed. The stun windoow is nice but shouldn't be a necessity unless they add a "can only be damaged while stunned" stipulation. Which shouldn't happen for a good while.
The only stunner rn I would run with anomaly characters is Lighter. Sucks that they changed Miyabi's synergy. Lighter just needs to be on the field when his morale his up and you get crazy amount of ice/fire dmg bonus, even off-field characters benefit from it. Hoyo deliberately prevented Miyabi, Lighter, and Burnice from happening lmao
I’m probly gonna get Rina for her M1 since I like using her alongside Jane and Seth for a Jane hypercarry build since I plan on having Burnice and Lucy with Miyabi once I get her.
I have M2 Grace and I dislike her gameplay heavily. Got Lycaon, he is holding up dust for now (I have no Ellen, skipped her having faith in Miyabi still being Ice). I got Rina, I use her in the electric team with Qingyi and Anton. And yesterday I got Soldier 11, her playstyle is kinda meh for me but she will be useful, and I have her W-Engine (which Zhu Yuan is currently holding). Now, both Koleda and Nekomata are two characters I like, design and personality wise. So I'm not sure what to do tbh.
@@mysteryfirecat673 what you could do is hold the free selector until you get either Koleda or Nekomata from pulls, or alternatively just go with whichever option has better team options rn
Close to being able to pick, I don't have lycheon but I just pulled lighter so I'm not sure if I want lycheon now. I have Rina at c1 and I've noticed I use her a lot so I think I would get more out of another copy of Rina as opposed to any other agent. But what do you guys think?
I should grab Lycoan so I can fill out an ice team. But I'll probably grab a duplicate of Soldier 11. Shes my favorite character and i want her name card.
@@Torviticus honestly if she’s your favourite, go for it! You don’t need a team for every element, since weakness and resistance is only +/-20% compared to neutral, elemental coverage isn’t important in this game thus far so I as long as you have 2-3 teams you’re happy with you should be fine!
I really don't know what to pick, i have lycon, koleda and grace. I don't know what to pick, but i have ellen, zhu yuan, lighter, burnice, ceaser and qingyi. So i think i will just chill until i need to get someone.
@@mohandxx060 honestly yeah you could chill for sure, if you’re not running a disorder team with electric anomaly, Rina isn’t that important, but is probably still your best choice. Personally I wouldn’t pick s11 either since you can run Lighter with Ellen!
@mohandxx060 save for Miyabi since you got plenty of viable S ranks that can pair with her. But if you save for Miyabi you should choose Rina regardless
@@Anarki10 I second the Rina c1 for sure, S11 is good for Lighter if you don’t like Ellen/Miyabi and plan on pulling them, but otherwise Rina is the better choice imo
@@balakaye i use rina only on yanagi mono eletric team now, but next time miyabi release, i think rina will be out of party.. maybe rina will be good for harumasa team, but i don't plan to use him too
I have every standard except the wolf man. So need to get him in future for the 'dating' mode that will be coming for 1.4 updates. This will allow me to date every one from standard except soldier 11 since her trust cannot reach level 4 yet😢.
@@dalhaval283 honestly I’d probably make the same decision in your situation unless you were considering c1 Rina, which is a pretty good upgrade to have
So i just lost the 50/50 early with the first ten pulls on the Lighter banner to Lycaon. But I'm almost close to 300. Should go for M1 Lycaon or maybe pull for Rina(who i dont have)?
Lost all of my 50/50s to S11 and Koleda - both at M2.
I love S11 and even though I’m sad to have lost those 50/50s to Koleda (would prefer it to have been Neko), she carried my Caesarless teams in critical shiyu and endless tower with her s and stun uptime (M2 paying off).
Def picking Lycaon just to finish my ice teams so they don’t have to run with Anburger anymore.
Guess I’m never getting Lighter :D
Hm, yes Rina is far better with her M1 and at that point I would argue she is far better than any other Standard agent including Lycaon. Her massive almost 39% pen debuff will only increase in effectiveness while the attack buff from others will only decrease with Hoyo inevitably buffing the defense and resistance of enemies. Rina will get only stronger as the game progresses because of that.
Facts.
I have M1 Rina and her weapon. And while i´m not using her, i can see her being pretty neat in the future.
@@minyaw1234 100% agree, I kind of rate them similarly at that point, just because you can only get considerable value out of her 3s shock extension in disorder teams with an electric anomaly char. If pen ratio becomes easier though, I could see her becoming viable as a general support, we’ll have to wait and see!
@@nicbellnicastro3119I'm jelly. My m0 rina with e5 slice just can't really contribute too much aside from party passive/4p freedom.
@@nicbellnicastro3119Rina will definitely shine starting with Harumasa.
Lycaon > Rina > Rina m1> The rest cause they all are poop.
I'm planning on getting S11. I love her playstyle and character. I've wanted her since I started the game at the beginning of Jane's banner. On top of that, I'm planning on getting Lighter, so S11 just feels right to me. I don't have Rina and I already have both Koleda and Lycaon with his signature, but I feel like I would have the most fun like this.
@@Swansong127 definitely a big advocate for playing around characters with playstyles and designs you like so this is definitely the best choice for you!
I'm definitely gonna grab Soldier 11. I personally don't like playing any of the balabog characters for my fire team, so I'll probably try to work with Lighter, S11, and Lucy
I just want Rina for the Electric support. The rest are okay for me. I already have Lycoan too so im set for the ellen rerun.
Rina
I own Lighter, he's pretty good,but I'm using him as a sub-stunner. My Lighter's drive disc set is 4 piece Swing Jazz 2 piece Shockstar Disco. An alternative to 4 piece set Swing Jazz is 4 piece set Proto Punk.
@@waifuhunter2302 I mean yeah if he’s not the primary stunner and you want to bring him for damage buffs, for sure you could sacrifice some daze from 4 set shockstar to run a support 4 set instead
@balakaye Becuz, I'm running Koleda as primary stunner.
What i don't have is Grace and Rina, i do have Yanagi. So it's clear who will i choose
Have Lycaon and Rina. I'm just going for Rina m1, i wanted grace but she got powercreep by Yanagi and i got Yanagi already so yeah.
The only standard S rank agents I'm missing are Koleda, S11 and Neko. But idk if I should go for them or get dupe for either Lycaon or Rina. Grace is permanently benched lmao
@@ShubhamBH22 if you can find a use for Koleda she’s pretty good, or if you need a 2nd dps then S11 or Nekomata are good options depending on who you can use to support them/which playstyle you like better
I am going to select Nekomata and no one can stop me.
honestly, none of the standard S characters I am missing would contribute anything significant to my comps, so I might just as well go by fav design.
also I've got a pile of steel cushions......
She's extremely underrated. Especially after she gets m1
Im still 60 away for Pity and 60+ for selector standard. I already got Koleda and S11 so who's gonna be my Go to pick on it?
Bruh, already got half of the s ranks from the pool before even hitting 200 pulls on the banner. Only option left for me choose is lycaon for my lighter, miyabi team.
I got everyone (M0) but Nekomata, so gonna grab Nekomata to complete the set.
Were you saying that anomaly teams don't want stun or a stunner? Because anomaly teams most CERTAINLY want to stun the enemies they are fighting as it is in fact a damage increase on the proc of their elemental anomaly, on top of that a stunned enemy is easy to set up a solid damage window with. The teams may not want specifically a STUNNER but they for sure want stuns.
@@dogofsong7952 it depends, a lot of my anomaly teams kill in shiyu BEFORE the stun comes through, and a lot of Jane teams suffer a dps loss from stunning. If you factor in weeping gemini, where the effect resets after stunning then yes, that can also cause a dps loss, idk what I said, but I did mean a stunner for the role, not stun itself. I mean Yanagi for example quite enjoys stun because you can load all your exs and ult into a single window for huge damage, but I do find her killing enemies before it matters.
It's not as important as attackers, anomaly does high damage across the board. You will see a lot of Yanagi with Burnice and Lucy, anomaly is mostly about filling the meter or creating disorders. Not to mention anomalies do more stun damage per proc thanks to the patch, so no, they literally don't need a stunner it's just nice to have.
Jane exists and that's two patches before this yet you still say anomaly units need a stunner? Did you just get out of a cave?
@@joshuajackson5203agreed. The stun windoow is nice but shouldn't be a necessity unless they add a "can only be damaged while stunned" stipulation. Which shouldn't happen for a good while.
The only stunner rn I would run with anomaly characters is Lighter. Sucks that they changed Miyabi's synergy. Lighter just needs to be on the field when his morale his up and you get crazy amount of ice/fire dmg bonus, even off-field characters benefit from it. Hoyo deliberately prevented Miyabi, Lighter, and Burnice from happening lmao
I have everyone but Koleda and Soldier 11 (Grace and Rina are M1), so I'm grabbing Soldier 11 - plus I have her Sig already
I’m probly gonna get Rina for her M1 since I like using her alongside Jane and Seth for a Jane hypercarry build since I plan on having Burnice and Lucy with Miyabi once I get her.
I have M2 Grace and I dislike her gameplay heavily.
Got Lycaon, he is holding up dust for now (I have no Ellen, skipped her having faith in Miyabi still being Ice).
I got Rina, I use her in the electric team with Qingyi and Anton.
And yesterday I got Soldier 11, her playstyle is kinda meh for me but she will be useful, and I have her W-Engine (which Zhu Yuan is currently holding).
Now, both Koleda and Nekomata are two characters I like, design and personality wise. So I'm not sure what to do tbh.
@@mysteryfirecat673 what you could do is hold the free selector until you get either Koleda or Nekomata from pulls, or alternatively just go with whichever option has better team options rn
@balakaye I might just do that, hopefully I don't get any more Grace's
Close to being able to pick, I don't have lycheon but I just pulled lighter so I'm not sure if I want lycheon now. I have Rina at c1 and I've noticed I use her a lot so I think I would get more out of another copy of Rina as opposed to any other agent. But what do you guys think?
@@blind0wl123 rina’s c2 isn’t super impactful so I would personally go for another option
EZ , Rina, and if you already have Rina once, pick Rina. pick Lycaon if you run Elen sokaku and don't have Caesar
Grace cinema is worth for the banner alone trust (i picked M1 Rina anyways cause i couldn't get another copy of her normally)
@@ArbiterElite343 someone likes feet
Soldier 11 is best choice. Pull lighter aim for c4+ pray to lose 5050s to her. Win game with s11.
@@pezgomez LOL I mean if you like s11 and Lighter, by all means, you can for sure win the game this way! For now at least…
@@balakayeLighters best team is with s11 though
@ he’s a bigger gain over Koleda than Lycoan, yes, but his actual performance seems slightly better with Ellen
I should grab Lycoan so I can fill out an ice team. But I'll probably grab a duplicate of Soldier 11. Shes my favorite character and i want her name card.
@@Torviticus honestly if she’s your favourite, go for it! You don’t need a team for every element, since weakness and resistance is only +/-20% compared to neutral, elemental coverage isn’t important in this game thus far so I as long as you have 2-3 teams you’re happy with you should be fine!
Do you have rina/yanagi? M1 rina.
If not its free choice.
I really don't know what to pick, i have lycon, koleda and grace.
I don't know what to pick, but i have ellen, zhu yuan, lighter, burnice, ceaser and qingyi.
So i think i will just chill until i need to get someone.
pick s11 for your lighter
You’re a whale doesn’t matter
@@mohandxx060 honestly yeah you could chill for sure, if you’re not running a disorder team with electric anomaly, Rina isn’t that important, but is probably still your best choice. Personally I wouldn’t pick s11 either since you can run Lighter with Ellen!
@mohandxx060 save for Miyabi since you got plenty of viable S ranks that can pair with her. But if you save for Miyabi you should choose Rina regardless
@@mordakie3805 no just playing form day one and won 4 50/50
i own lighter, might get s11.. but many expert advice me to get rina copy because her m1 is great.
@@Anarki10 I second the Rina c1 for sure, S11 is good for Lighter if you don’t like Ellen/Miyabi and plan on pulling them, but otherwise Rina is the better choice imo
@@balakaye i use rina only on yanagi mono eletric team now, but next time miyabi release, i think rina will be out of party..
maybe rina will be good for harumasa team, but i don't plan to use him too
@ fair enough, Rina could still be decent for a Miyabi team but we’ll have to see, you might get more value out of someone like Nicole c6 tbh
@@balakaye i'll wait then thankss
are these characters ever gonna change or they gonna be like this forever?
@@frostribe5414 probably gonna be these 6 for a while, but they might add 1-2 at some point, but it’s a while away
I already have grace M1, jane and burnice so my pick is ginna be rina M1
I have every standard except the wolf man. So need to get him in future for the 'dating' mode that will be coming for 1.4 updates. This will allow me to date every one from standard except soldier 11 since her trust cannot reach level 4 yet😢.
I want nekomata because she deals good amount of damage but since i got lighter i might go for Soldier 11 or Lycaon
@@RisingDeath all around solid options!
have neko, lycaon and rina, so im getting koleda, s11 too slow for me, and i have yanagi over grace
@@dalhaval283 honestly I’d probably make the same decision in your situation unless you were considering c1 Rina, which is a pretty good upgrade to have
So i just lost the 50/50 early with the first ten pulls on the Lighter banner to Lycaon. But I'm almost close to 300. Should go for M1 Lycaon or maybe pull for Rina(who i dont have)?
Rina
@@GothamThotSlayer agreed, go for Rina, Lycaon’s c1 isn’t that great
@@balakayegrace,nekomata or c1 rina?
@ c1 Rina for sure
picking lycaon, hes my husband and one of my only dpses
Soldier 11>Lycaon=Rina>Grace=Neko=Koleda