In what universe are you going to get 6 plants attacking someone all at once? That's like saying Ah Puch is trong because you can 1 shot with a 6 corpse explosion. Edit: I speak prematurely.
I had an assault where a persephone needed to do nothing but spam plants all game. I was Sun with pest, Heartward, Mantle. We weren't even playing bad. We had a sylv, janus, hades, and tyr. Sylv grabbed sylv items, janus pent, tyr some damage. With minor prots. They had aphro, odin, sobek, awilix, and persephone. They grabbed anti-heal just like us 'n such. We got wiped every fight. And it was all persephone. Any one of the gods we fought we could 1v1/2v2 but with them simping on persephone/aphro we couldn't touch them. We tried several times to get into backline and gank the persephone but everytime she'd plant us and we'd be slowed. (She had gem of isolation) The game lasted 1hr 12mins. I wouldn't forfeit and they wouldn't end. It was just a grind till they ended. And to further prove my point. awilix was barely even shaking us. She didn't land any pro gamer plays. She was just poking at us. Persephone also spawns 3 plants when she casts. Some cdr and she's busted in the right hands. Edit: Forgot I also had Hero's Axe too.
Pre-rework Persephone's 2 wasn't that frustrating, in fact the tier 3 plants were unreliable and most Persephone mains used the tier 2 bomb as their main source of damage. Now it's absolutely busted and almost unavoidable damage. It covers the entire lane, deals instant burst damage once in range, and worst of all backing away means you take even more damage - It even goes through walls! Persephone is going to be a lot less fun to play against in comparison to pre rework (and a lot less fun to play to imo)
She wasn’t fun to play against before so nothing new there in terms of playing her myself I’ll probably enjoy this a lot more than her previous cause I like to play aggressive and before to me she was just really campy unless you had ult and they didn’t have beads
@@BunnyOnASnuman Its been pretty okay for the last month or two. gil and tiamat don't dominate in it and everyone wants to play the new gods so its been a little chill
@@blairturner139 I understand that but that depends on the player I don’t think she will be a camping queen tho she has way more immediate pressure and after pressure with her plants that can decimate in team fights if used correctly
@@dominicpearson7446 yeah I agree. It can be argued that Loki was unusable on conquest, but overall Loki was pretty weak and his state of the game was meh.
Before, any competent player could make the plants completely useless by just stepping to the side because they wouldn’t hit. Now they are much more useful
@@Humdawg45 yea, but that made her easily to deal with and only and to worry about getting hit by one, but now its just auto plant attacks that can hit multi enemies 2 to 4 times, to bad your items wont prco from them
@@blvddyblvntz567 yea but now she is gonna distance god like thoth and shoot plants that one shot you from any direction as long as enough plants go your way.
I mean I would probably reduce the targeter of the run plants just reduce that circle size a bit so she doesn’t just have a giant Olorun ult sized army running down lanes. Other than that as a Pers main I do like this rework for the most part besides the passive and not having an instant exploding plant after the leap. She still has lots of combo routes to utilize and this will be healthier for the game in the long run.
I would like to see like to see a alternate timeline build like trying to play old persephone so after you spam plants die then commit with the jump and the plants after you get out of reviving
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon lol she was said to be played fully by about 10% of pers players. Theres a reason she performed badly outside of top top mmr / spl.
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon Stop acting tough, literally the best players in smite said they don't play her because it's hard to utilize her kit to its full potential.
You say that as if joust wasn't playable with a good Persephone to begin with. Tiamat was extremely good on release but guess how many times I was actually scared of those who played her? Very very rarely, because it doesn't matter if the god is good if the player is bad.
@@FrogOnAHorse defenitely true.. if you have a good player against you yeah you should be afraid but if that player is doodoo then there really isn't much to fear.. most of the Tiamat's i've seen (especially in joust.. the ones in conquest seemed a bit better skill wise) were complete dogshit
@@FrogOnAHorse the different here is she can keep sending plants under tower where before you had to be in range for the plant to lock ontp you. Ontop of the fact tgat they made her braindead so anyone can play her at a high level a lot easier. So she will be rampant in joust
The way the 2 works is that all plants are "tied" to the most recent cast of her 2 and are considered part of that ability. Even plants that existed before you cast the 2. Therefore, items like soul gem and reaver onlp proc once after each cast of her 2
Honestly, u can just look at her numbers from the 8.5 patch and u could easily tell that her dmg was gonna but very good, her 1 has 90% scaling slows and plants a seed... Ra's old 1 used to be that... I may not be a perse main but she was one of my favorite mages to play even thou I'm avg at her and they're just making her do exorbitant amounts of dmg with an easier kit to hit so they can say her rework was a success when blueberries do well with her. Why cant Smite have hard-to-play god like League's Azir.
There are complex gods, though. Morrigan and Set both come to mind. Their goal wasnt to eliminate difficult gods from the game, but more specifically eliminate gods that were ONLY rewarding to play in the highest skill level. An average player shouldn't be punished for playing a hard god, but a good player SHOULD be rewarded in my opinion. That being said, I do agree that they made her kit far too easy for the excessive damage it does.
I think they reworked her to eliminate frustration playing against her. But by doing that they made her easier (and much stronger imo). I have Persephone 3 star and consider myself extremely good with her. She is going to destroy newt players more than she did before since the plants multi hit if you run
Wait I forgot I wasn't subscribed to you. Thanks a lot duke for making me feel optimistic about this rework. I might actually do that annoying suicide strat at the start. I think I can do something with that.
Titan defense queen. If persef dies and her team delays long enough for her to revive so she has a lot if plants saved up at tian fountain if the enemy is not careful they could get really hurt by her.
With Archmages Gem, it procs once per enemy per ability. So if you hit with a plant, that one will proc it on that target. The subsequent plants from the same 2 activation will not unless they hit different enemies I think.
Im sad that this kit came at the cost of her original design. Saying that, I do actually really like the new flow to her kit, and the new take on her 1 and 2 seems kinda fun.
agreed.. however i also agree that the new kit seems fun.. i wasn't a big fan of her old kit since it's too much micromanaging for my ADHD brain to handle so i always ended up feeling like i wasn't really playing her to her full potential. (i like attacks you can throw on the floor and just pop almost immideately.. with her planting feature it always felt like i had to wait for a while to even get any damage in as if i didn't i would just heal myself...)
As a Persephone main, I was terrified that they would nerf her to the ground. Now im afraid that she might be an easy,, loose cannon for new players to pick up, and she will still be frustrating to play against.
@@GeomancerFelix she's way stronger, she couldn't even clear buffs properly and was so bad during team fights apart from her ult, sieging was also hard for her
@@kathir6022 She was incredibly good and well done. I had the easiest time cleaning buffs with her, all you need to do is use your head, set up a garden strategically and she was both fun and strong. She was unfit for players who just wanted to play the Smite monkee style though.
At that point I'm just happy her plants are still her main damage source (not fan of her having her 3 do damage, an exploding bulb on the 2 felt enough for me)
With Shell getting nuked from orbit and now this, I think Aegis is going to be a mandatory buy in any game that has her in it. Even for Solo/Jungle. The only one who can get away with no Aegis will be Supp.
Alright, so these flowers hitting you in quite big aoes multiple times, almost deleting any squishy is not annoying, but old Perse that actually knew her stuff and used her 2 well was? Yeah... I think I have to call bollocks on this. I get that she's gonna be strong and even most casuals will be able to play her very well, but like...where's the fun in that? Plus I bet people will still complain about her laning phase and ult, given what we can see here. I'm getting more and more confident in that Hi-rez really only did this so anyone can play her easily, because the same frustrations are still there with this.
I have a question regarding her fully grown plants Will they go to the direction perse was facing when being planted or they will go to the direction perse is facing when they are activated
Eh, I'm not convinced till I see full gameplay, the bots have no items and things rarely translate from there, plus this is only possible with an absolute perfect shot after a set up period , not at all realistic
👀 Is it weird that I hear the Maneater song playing now that the plants do that now ooh here she comes she's a Maneater and.....HOLY SHIT THAT ONE SHOT u think gem of iso would proc if the flowers bite the target ?
@@soulreaver6546 which isn’t hard especially if you use your two then immediately your dash to send all three. The radius is pretty large so it ain’t gonna be that hard.
Devs: “Persephone was difficult to counter play and we wanted to give more players better ways to counter her” Players: “Okay? Weird, she was fi-“ Devs: “So we buffed her and made her a walking nuclear bomb Ah Puch 2.0 zoning god”
i mean personally i don't like his kit as much but i know of other people who really like his kit.. so i'd say there are defenitely others more worthy of a rework
She can still clear waves however with her 1 it only hits one god now and stops when it fits a god so be careful when clearing with the one because a enemy god can stand in front of the minions and block/tank all the damage (: hope that helped.
same.. i don't like the old version as much because the planting gives me a headache and is one of those things i've always just been feeling like whenever i played her i'd just be fucking around and not really knowing what i'm doing.. however this looks like it'll feel really clean and nice.. not as messy as the old version
@@20thcentury_toy well the loki rework i actually really like.. now he actually feels playable without me developing spontaneous cancer sores on my hands
@@litchtheshinigami8936 That's what Hi-Rez wanted to do, but take a look at the things that are not ok now. The invi is damn week, no stealth, no real movement, or fast repositioning, tick dmg (aka not fast) The third ability, slow and vulnerable, highly countereable. The ult, lot of bugs, unplayable. Now then, when they fix what they did, I'll have fun again, because now everyone whant's to kill the Loki and he has no way to avoid that.
@@litchtheshinigami8936 As you say. Come and have fun, the only thing that is fun with Loki now is staying still in invi, so the enemy gets to the tower or use some ability. Thats how you realise if they listen to the stereo or not. The you know if you have a change or not against them.
Exactly what Jody said. The goal wasnt a nerf the goal was to create a character that wasnt only rewarding to play as the top 3%. Pers was in a super awkward spot where, yes, she was insanely powerful and frustrating to deal with, but if the Pers user didnt invest a massive amount of time into learning the character and their kit, they were heavily punished for it since many couldn't use her kit to her full potential Edit: typo
Well, i actually understands why people are talking in a bad way about the rework, but first is just the test server so some things might change, even if it is a minor adjustment, and second, i think the 2 ability with the flowers going on one way and biting multiple times could be even worse in a OP way, like, when 3 plants bite you you stay stunned and they keep biting you, THAT WOULD BE VERY UPSETING AND HORRIBLE, but anyway, in my opinion (even if nobody asked) is that i liked the rework, i know right now the rework doen't look good, but, for me this rework even make sense, not because its someway easy, but because for some people that like her but couldn't understand her very well, can play with no problem or confusion, my opinion by the way
Honestly, the fixes are easy. Reduce the aoe so multiple flowers have a hard time hitting the same person, and if that's not enough, make the damage reduction based on total bites taken instead of based on which flower hit you.
Are you able to see teammates when you're dead in her passive? that would be nice for casual games because otherwise its hard to know where to put ur plants
So soul gem isn't as abusable on her as it used to be, got it. Changing my build lol She doesn't really feel like a trapper anymore, and I kinda hate that.....buuuut If I get to blow people up still with massive damage I can overlook it
Honestly? I like the changes. Her 2 was annoying to set up and use especially under pressure. Of course she was already strong but at the same time it was just easier and just as damaging, if not more, to get another god instead of her. I absolutely love her 1 too, it was unnecessarily slow and hard to hit in a lot of situations and a huge con when you consider her 2 needed time to set up and use too so basically the only truly reliable damaging ability was her ult. They will most likely nerf the damage which is fine but at least she will be more manageable now
Don’t the bots not build items though? It’s a squishy Ra with no items being one shot? Or was that changed with the game timer or something to that extent.
Generally speaking, a Mage is unlikely to build Magical Protection. He might have a bit of Health, but if he wants to remain effective, he won't want to buy more than 1 (or at absolute most 2) defence items. With that in mind, you want to protect yourself more from the enemy Assassin and Solo, who are actively going to be trying to kill you in teamfights, rather than building magical defence against your lane opponent. There'll be situations where the enemy mage has magical defence, especially if your jungler and/or solo are magical, but generally you stop being considered "a squishy" if you buy 2-3 Defence items.
So the plants do damage during the whole line in a cone in front of them, multiple times to the same target(if it can), and can go through walls now. Why are people saying this rework was going to ruin her?
If multiple plants hit one target the damage is reduced (like it originally was) I believe, and I think they are saying it because of how much they changed her Harvest (2) I can see why it is annoying because I have her at rank 10 and put so much time into practicing her however she still has a high skill range because of her new passive (when dying you can’t see anyone or interact with anyone, you can only place plants, so you will have to predict where a fight once you respawn will take place).
@@jxrji3654 Thank you for your insight. Some of the people I have heard are saying "She's ruined because brain-dead people want to play her and they are too stupid to understand the kit as is". I don't like those people, too toxic and selfish.
How do you like the changes as someone whom put in time in with her? Also do you think that the changes have opened her up to new players as in making it easier to learn?
@@jettblade I think she will still have an amazing kit, and in all honesty I still think she will need to played to her full potential, but it’s a lot easier for people new to the game to pick up on her and I love that also, I kinda thought she needed some things changing none the less because she has felt a bit janky lately. I think it will be a lot easier for the people playing her and for the people playing against her.
I can see why you are not happy with the change, but personally I am. I never liked the fact she had "homing attacks" it's not fun to fight, & it's just annoying. In my opinion she is boring to play, with her ult being the only thing really fun part about her kit. I respect your opinion though.
Prefer the old, sometimes it's nice having hard to learn character because it's pretty rewarding winning and doing well with them once you go through trial and error. Ah Puch easy to do kit wasn't desired, oh well I guess every character has to be pick up friendly these days.
Well and I still stay with my opinion that this rework was not needed for Persephone. Now they make too good and too easy to play with her. It should be other gods who is not in top tier list. Plants now is a game changer. She will be one of the top mages instantly after the patch release until some nerfs in a future :D
I dont think practice NPCs are a good way to test. I find it weird, say I choose a god build that I one shot in practice, it will not do that in a real match, BUT, huge but, Ive found a God build that I can pretty much kill any god, at max health, in a real match in a 2 skill hit, 100% of the time, but in practice that god build wont kill the practice bot. That’s why I say it’s weird.
Like I said, imagine breaking a god, that no one was complaining about really. And this is what we get. Yes it's broken (overturned)but y'all know the PROCESS, they nerf it down, rather then buff, it'll always be that way. Such greed from Hirez smh Rather them fix some gods that are boring, and outdated kits, rather a recent new god, getting it....
In what universe are you going to get 6 plants attacking someone all at once?
That's like saying Ah Puch is trong because you can 1 shot with a 6 corpse explosion.
Edit: I speak prematurely.
Reminds me of tower defense lol
LMAO love the edit :D in this universe apparently :p
I had an assault where a persephone needed to do nothing but spam plants all game. I was Sun with pest, Heartward, Mantle.
We weren't even playing bad. We had a sylv, janus, hades, and tyr. Sylv grabbed sylv items, janus pent, tyr some damage.
With minor prots.
They had aphro, odin, sobek, awilix, and persephone. They grabbed anti-heal just like us 'n such.
We got wiped every fight. And it was all persephone. Any one of the gods we fought we could 1v1/2v2 but with them simping on persephone/aphro
we couldn't touch them. We tried several times to get into backline and gank the persephone but everytime she'd plant us and we'd be slowed.
(She had gem of isolation)
The game lasted 1hr 12mins. I wouldn't forfeit and they wouldn't end. It was just a grind till they ended.
And to further prove my point. awilix was barely even shaking us. She didn't land any pro gamer plays. She was just poking at us.
Persephone also spawns 3 plants when she casts. Some cdr and she's busted in the right hands.
Edit: Forgot I also had Hero's Axe too.
Pre-rework Persephone's 2 wasn't that frustrating, in fact the tier 3 plants were unreliable and most Persephone mains used the tier 2 bomb as their main source of damage. Now it's absolutely busted and almost unavoidable damage. It covers the entire lane, deals instant burst damage once in range, and worst of all backing away means you take even more damage - It even goes through walls! Persephone is going to be a lot less fun to play against in comparison to pre rework (and a lot less fun to play to imo)
The only problem persephone had was her ult tbh and it didnt change that much
A whole lot less fun b/c her core play style is tremendously simplified.
Exactly, honestly the plants were only good in teamfights when everything was chaotic and people were panicking.
That's hi rez for ya!
She wasn’t fun to play against before so nothing new there in terms of playing her myself I’ll probably enjoy this a lot more than her previous cause I like to play aggressive and before to me she was just really campy unless you had ult and they didn’t have beads
Looks like joust is unplayable now. She will just spam these into your tower until you have to back.
I didn’t think about that
Yeah she used to be cancer there and now it looks like she will be again
Joust was already unplayable
@@BunnyOnASnuman Its been pretty okay for the last month or two. gil and tiamat don't dominate in it and everyone wants to play the new gods so its been a little chill
Yeah I was fine with them changing her but the way they have done it seems to be adding in more problems to fix old ones.
I stand corrected,they made a challenging character become dummy broken lmao
If you don't play safe you won't be able to use her. It's a lot of a micromanagement. Bad players will still not be able to use her
@@cinnilyn716 she's a camping Queen what's the point of even playing it's no better then playing kukulkan
@@blairturner139 you’re trolling lol
@@zackghost_1 nah it's the truth I bet you one of those players who play gods like that
@@blairturner139 I understand that but that depends on the player I don’t think she will be a camping queen tho she has way more immediate pressure and after pressure with her plants that can decimate in team fights if used correctly
As someone who has a star on her the rework made me sad because I liked how difficult she was to play but tbh she looks a little too strong
She’s still was strong early mid game. Till end game and u have no towers to defend ur just there with the últ
Yeah it’s the player base fault she was reworked. She just needed a nerf in ult and 2 and a mechanical buff in the 1
@@juanfransalgado3111 That's what we loki mains said as we saw the loki rework lolololol.
@@dominicpearson7446 yeah I agree. It can be argued that Loki was unusable on conquest, but overall Loki was pretty weak and his state of the game was meh.
When they rework a god they go back into the perma ban phase like a new god don't they. I know loki did
She seems very strong, but i miss planting seed by seed and zoaning, i am gonna miss her very bad
Lmao zoning
I guess you can use the seed directly on someone now? So they can't block your auto and completely deny your damage from what it looks like.
This is what they did to my persephone? I love this character so much but i don't know how to feel about this
Not gonna lie. Was disappointed in the changes for the most part, but having seen her in some action. I'm kinda convinced
That thumbnail
Archmage gem wasn't being inconsistent, it procs once per ability. So only the first hit of the ability will activate it!
So they reworked a hard to play but powerful god into an easy to play and EXTREMELY powerful god... why
I mean she was already extremely powerful, otherwise she wouldn't be insta banned in spl
The difference is the plant will not run at you directly so it's easier to dodge
@@casscrane6040 that and most of the damage before came from the initial bite, now it's multiple bites that the damage comes from
Then they can eazily nerf her on the commintys opnion
You thought she was hard to play before? bwahahahaha
Wow they made her plants auto hit now instead of auto track, I'm sure they will be missing the old Persephone,lol
I wouldn't but would. Even tho i hate when she plants flowers and 1 shot me.
Before, any competent player could make the plants completely useless by just stepping to the side because they wouldn’t hit. Now they are much more useful
@@Humdawg45 yea, but that made her easily to deal with and only and to worry about getting hit by one, but now its just auto plant attacks that can hit multi enemies 2 to 4 times, to bad your items wont prco from them
@@blvddyblvntz567 yea but now she is gonna distance god like thoth and shoot plants that one shot you from any direction as long as enough plants go your way.
@@DragonSora he just said in the video that it did proc with ethereal staff didnt he...
I mean I would probably reduce the targeter of the run plants just reduce that circle size a bit so she doesn’t just have a giant Olorun ult sized army running down lanes. Other than that as a Pers main I do like this rework for the most part besides the passive and not having an instant exploding plant after the leap. She still has lots of combo routes to utilize and this will be healthier for the game in the long run.
I would like to see like to see a alternate timeline build like trying to play old persephone so after you spam plants die then commit with the jump and the plants after you get out of reviving
that would actually be really fun and probably good, if we forget the fact that it has a fucking 10 minute cooldown
@@saphinadarkness2502 not anymore
@@joeloweryourexpectationsbiden oh, true, it got changed. how many minutes is it now?
Yes just throwing ideas out
@@magsgaming5425 yeah, don't worry. I'd definitely try it out even if it's too much minutes. Worth checking out and may be fun
Well now it just going to feel less satisfying to do good with her.
She was not a hard god man
that feeling when you carry ranked joust games with her 😪😪
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon lol she was said to be played fully by about 10% of pers players. Theres a reason she performed badly outside of top top mmr / spl.
@@TheTruthTeller99 I never said the average smite player is intelligent.
@@BigPapaSpeedwagon Stop acting tough, literally the best players in smite said they don't play her because it's hard to utilize her kit to its full potential.
That damage seems way too high, joust is gonna be unplayable now for the next month or so until they really nerf her.
You say that as if joust wasn't playable with a good Persephone to begin with. Tiamat was extremely good on release but guess how many times I was actually scared of those who played her? Very very rarely, because it doesn't matter if the god is good if the player is bad.
@@FrogOnAHorse defenitely true.. if you have a good player against you yeah you should be afraid but if that player is doodoo then there really isn't much to fear.. most of the Tiamat's i've seen (especially in joust.. the ones in conquest seemed a bit better skill wise) were complete dogshit
@@FrogOnAHorse the different here is she can keep sending plants under tower where before you had to be in range for the plant to lock ontp you. Ontop of the fact tgat they made her braindead so anyone can play her at a high level a lot easier. So she will be rampant in joust
Damage seems high because she is max level with items in the video. Also a hunter can just hold left click for 1 second and shes dead.
The way the 2 works is that all plants are "tied" to the most recent cast of her 2 and are considered part of that ability. Even plants that existed before you cast the 2. Therefore, items like soul gem and reaver onlp proc once after each cast of her 2
That's how it mostly works, yeah. But not fully, see using the 3 with not target on the plants at full stacks
Honestly, u can just look at her numbers from the 8.5 patch and u could easily tell that her dmg was gonna but very good, her 1 has 90% scaling slows and plants a seed... Ra's old 1 used to be that...
I may not be a perse main but she was one of my favorite mages to play even thou I'm avg at her and they're just making her do exorbitant amounts of dmg with an easier kit to hit so they can say her rework was a success when blueberries do well with her.
Why cant Smite have hard-to-play god like League's Azir.
There are complex gods, though. Morrigan and Set both come to mind. Their goal wasnt to eliminate difficult gods from the game, but more specifically eliminate gods that were ONLY rewarding to play in the highest skill level. An average player shouldn't be punished for playing a hard god, but a good player SHOULD be rewarded in my opinion.
That being said, I do agree that they made her kit far too easy for the excessive damage it does.
I think they reworked her to eliminate frustration playing against her. But by doing that they made her easier (and much stronger imo). I have Persephone 3 star and consider myself extremely good with her. She is going to destroy newt players more than she did before since the plants multi hit if you run
she seems soooooo strong now. Oh lord.
Not gonna lie tho I kinda like it, its different.
You are the minority, I agree with you as well, she still has skill required to do good imo
clearly this is way better and way more rewarding, genius idea by hi rez, especially that she is now way more balanced /s
Wait I forgot I wasn't subscribed to you. Thanks a lot duke for making me feel optimistic about this rework. I might actually do that annoying suicide strat at the start. I think I can do something with that.
Titan defense queen. If persef dies and her team delays long enough for her to revive so she has a lot if plants saved up at tian fountain if the enemy is not careful they could get really hurt by her.
With Archmages Gem, it procs once per enemy per ability. So if you hit with a plant, that one will proc it on that target. The subsequent plants from the same 2 activation will not unless they hit different enemies I think.
So Archmages gem may not be the ideal starter now, the other starter that gives you power based on mana gone most likely will be the play
I fear no man but that thing it scares me 2:58
Honestly surprised she isnt autobanned as a "new" god release.
She is
Im sad that this kit came at the cost of her original design. Saying that, I do actually really like the new flow to her kit, and the new take on her 1 and 2 seems kinda fun.
agreed.. however i also agree that the new kit seems fun.. i wasn't a big fan of her old kit since it's too much micromanaging for my ADHD brain to handle so i always ended up feeling like i wasn't really playing her to her full potential. (i like attacks you can throw on the floor and just pop almost immideately.. with her planting feature it always felt like i had to wait for a while to even get any damage in as if i didn't i would just heal myself...)
I like her old 1 more than this new one. It’s more generic now.
@@TubemastaC for sure, the cash aim mechanic is unique but I guess not beginner friendly
As a Persephone main, I was terrified that they would nerf her to the ground. Now im afraid that she might be an easy,, loose cannon for new players to pick up, and she will still be frustrating to play against.
Nerf? she got buffed...
@@kathir6022 yes, I just said that.
It was supposed to be a nerf to reduce frustration, now she's potentially stronger.
@@kathir6022 that’s their point
@@GeomancerFelix she's way stronger, she couldn't even clear buffs properly and was so bad during team fights apart from her ult, sieging was also hard for her
@@kathir6022 She was incredibly good and well done. I had the easiest time cleaning buffs with her, all you need to do is use your head, set up a garden strategically and she was both fun and strong. She was unfit for players who just wanted to play the Smite monkee style though.
Omg that smile in the thumbnail killed me 😂😂😂😂
At that point I'm just happy her plants are still her main damage source (not fan of her having her 3 do damage, an exploding bulb on the 2 felt enough for me)
With Shell getting nuked from orbit and now this, I think Aegis is going to be a mandatory buy in any game that has her in it. Even for Solo/Jungle. The only one who can get away with no Aegis will be Supp.
Well damn. Looks really cool, but I'm also scared.
It’s been years and YOURE STILL ALIVE????
@@gumiho8352 Damn right I am.
@@TheHornedKing Do you still miss Old Nox?
@@ilay9793 A little.
Alright, so these flowers hitting you in quite big aoes multiple times, almost deleting any squishy is not annoying, but old Perse that actually knew her stuff and used her 2 well was? Yeah... I think I have to call bollocks on this.
I get that she's gonna be strong and even most casuals will be able to play her very well, but like...where's the fun in that? Plus I bet people will still complain about her laning phase and ult, given what we can see here.
I'm getting more and more confident in that Hi-rez really only did this so anyone can play her easily, because the same frustrations are still there with this.
They didn't really change her ult much and that was the worst part about her in my opinion. At least she can't throw it at me after she dies anymore
I mean that was the whole point of the character but do go off
@@charlesman8722 that just means the whole point of the character is to be annoying as fuck.
They need too surely fix that soul gem stack error but that would surely make a soul gem Persephone strong
I have a question regarding her fully grown plants
Will they go to the direction perse was facing when being planted or they will go to the direction perse is facing when they are activated
Direction she is facing. Same with her 3.
Alright thanks for the clarification
oh no i can only imagine how casual ranked is gonna be now gonna have 6 plants running down the minions and under tower
Good video, ty for making it and testing if all the items work on her and how! :D
Eh, I'm not convinced till I see full gameplay, the bots have no items and things rarely translate from there, plus this is only possible with an absolute perfect shot after a set up period , not at all realistic
i swear to god duke if you don't tell us what you are staring at in your garage i will drive to your place and make you a nice homecooked meal :)
Ay yo what
Hey idk if you’ve seen it yet or not but you should definitely make a video about Terra Procing animosity twice per basic when her passive is up
Im always gonna be against this rework
So they made her a generic burst mage boring 😴
👀 Is it weird that I hear the Maneater song playing now that the plants do that now ooh here she comes she's a Maneater and.....HOLY SHIT THAT ONE SHOT u think gem of iso would proc if the flowers bite the target ?
Just gonna ask can you do this during game
shes going to get nerfed, after the rework and be left there again until they rework her again
Why would she be rework again? She is alot easier to balance now
@@jodyboles8208 they are reworking bastet again so you never know
@@FairyFarron that's because her kit just didnt work well fundamentally. But this rework does. Just need some numbers changes
@@jodyboles8208 remember Freya?
@@20thcentury_toy yeah what about her? Her rework is actually good and easy to balance
Ok so I think with the new plants they made her stronger 😂
Frfr
Yess ahah
You have to be able to aim now though
@@soulreaver6546 which isn’t hard especially if you use your two then immediately your dash to send all three. The radius is pretty large so it ain’t gonna be that hard.
@@jradjj2988 especially in joust
You gave us numbers, but I would want to see actual gameplay because it is different when making a judgement.
Devs: “Persephone was difficult to counter play and we wanted to give more players better ways to counter her”
Players: “Okay? Weird, she was fi-“
Devs: “So we buffed her and made her a walking nuclear bomb Ah Puch 2.0 zoning god”
She hardy anything like ah puch though. All he does is explode his corpse. Pers plants seeds and send flowers forward to attack haha
@@jodyboles8208
Hence “Ah Puch 2.0”
@@markuscaesar670 she has to be some what similar to be like ah puch..... both kits are very different
Hey duke im interested what you think about Hades & do u think he needs a rework?
Not at all. Hades kit is great haha
@@jodyboles8208 I mean I find it alright but it's hard for him to escape when all he does is super close range n a dash forward pretty much
i mean personally i don't like his kit as much but i know of other people who really like his kit.. so i'd say there are defenitely others more worthy of a rework
Duke can she clear minion wave with her plant or its just god?
She can still clear waves however with her 1 it only hits one god now and stops when it fits a god so be careful when clearing with the one because a enemy god can stand in front of the minions and block/tank all the damage (: hope that helped.
@@jxrji3654 he didn't ask about 1 so no it doesn't help.
@@him594 I said she can still clear waves if you read the first sentence (:
This looks FUUUUN this god looks FUUUUN OH MY GOSH IM EXCITED LOL
same.. i don't like the old version as much because the planting gives me a headache and is one of those things i've always just been feeling like whenever i played her i'd just be fucking around and not really knowing what i'm doing.. however this looks like it'll feel really clean and nice.. not as messy as the old version
@@litchtheshinigami8936 😐
so her abilities do the actual damage her plants are just minions now and dont do ability damage. so they are nuwa minions now basically.
cuz nu wa minions dont do item effects . kinda weird the plants apply the slow tho.
@@demon48180 The plants apply item affects and do ability damage. The one-shot works because the plants apply Obsidian Shard
What did I say? Strong numbers, so they can shut our mouth when we say that this is a bad rework
Same as loki but in his case they're still buffing the numbers
@@20thcentury_toy well the loki rework i actually really like.. now he actually feels playable without me developing spontaneous cancer sores on my hands
@@litchtheshinigami8936 That's what Hi-Rez wanted to do, but take a look at the things that are not ok now.
The invi is damn week, no stealth, no real movement, or fast repositioning, tick dmg (aka not fast)
The third ability, slow and vulnerable, highly countereable.
The ult, lot of bugs, unplayable.
Now then, when they fix what they did, I'll have fun again, because now everyone whant's to kill the Loki and he has no way to avoid that.
@@luciumeagle relies on your skill level i'd say.. i've seen some really good loki's that were a pain in the ass
@@litchtheshinigami8936 As you say. Come and have fun, the only thing that is fun with Loki now is staying still in invi, so the enemy gets to the tower or use some ability. Thats how you realise if they listen to the stereo or not. The you know if you have a change or not against them.
Nerfing the goddess by making it stronger...sometimes I don't even know how this stuff pass any type of control
They werent trying to nerf her though. It's a rework which also makes her easier to balance
Exactly what Jody said. The goal wasnt a nerf the goal was to create a character that wasnt only rewarding to play as the top 3%. Pers was in a super awkward spot where, yes, she was insanely powerful and frustrating to deal with, but if the Pers user didnt invest a massive amount of time into learning the character and their kit, they were heavily punished for it since many couldn't use her kit to her full potential
Edit: typo
Ok ok, I'm wrong , is a change not nerf
Well, i actually understands why people are talking in a bad way about the rework, but first is just the test server so some things might change, even if it is a minor adjustment, and second, i think the 2 ability with the flowers going on one way and biting multiple times could be even worse in a OP way, like, when 3 plants bite you you stay stunned and they keep biting you, THAT WOULD BE VERY UPSETING AND HORRIBLE, but anyway, in my opinion (even if nobody asked) is that i liked the rework, i know right now the rework doen't look good, but, for me this rework even make sense, not because its someway easy, but because for some people that like her but couldn't understand her very well, can play with no problem or confusion, my opinion by the way
they made her from hard to learn but good, to easy to learn but op. nice devs
This is how Ah Puch should have been. Straight up better version of Ah Puch without antiheal
How? Both are very different though?
Imma miss her old kit, but I do love this new kit too
Honestly, the fixes are easy. Reduce the aoe so multiple flowers have a hard time hitting the same person, and if that's not enough, make the damage reduction based on total bites taken instead of based on which flower hit you.
Are you able to see teammates when you're dead in her passive? that would be nice for casual games because otherwise its hard to know where to put ur plants
Her 2 aoe can damage structure
This rework is a mistake. All they had to do was change the passive and ult.
They change her when I start play her and actually loved her.. so ya as usually 👍
Does her 2 still hit towers?
So soul gem isn't as abusable on her as it used to be, got it. Changing my build lol
She doesn't really feel like a trapper anymore, and I kinda hate that.....buuuut If I get to blow people up still with massive damage I can overlook it
Honestly? I like the changes. Her 2 was annoying to set up and use especially under pressure. Of course she was already strong but at the same time it was just easier and just as damaging, if not more, to get another god instead of her. I absolutely love her 1 too, it was unnecessarily slow and hard to hit in a lot of situations and a huge con when you consider her 2 needed time to set up and use too so basically the only truly reliable damaging ability was her ult. They will most likely nerf the damage which is fine but at least she will be more manageable now
Can we go back to skill based gods and not easy to play god?
Yeah it's fine. But where do I get my refund for her skins?
You dont haha
Flowers in cadence seems pretty cool.
Does her 2 plants target the minions?
From broken for pros to broken for everyone
As a Diamond Pers i thought this would be a terrible rework, but i kinda like it lol
Don’t the bots not build items though? It’s a squishy Ra with no items being one shot? Or was that changed with the game timer or something to that extent.
A full build ra is still squishy like this
Generally speaking, a Mage is unlikely to build Magical Protection.
He might have a bit of Health, but if he wants to remain effective, he won't want to buy more than 1 (or at absolute most 2) defence items.
With that in mind, you want to protect yourself more from the enemy Assassin and Solo, who are actively going to be trying to kill you in teamfights, rather than building magical defence against your lane opponent.
There'll be situations where the enemy mage has magical defence, especially if your jungler and/or solo are magical, but generally you stop being considered "a squishy" if you buy 2-3 Defence items.
So the plants do damage during the whole line in a cone in front of them, multiple times to the same target(if it can), and can go through walls now. Why are people saying this rework was going to ruin her?
If multiple plants hit one target the damage is reduced (like it originally was) I believe, and I think they are saying it because of how much they changed her Harvest (2) I can see why it is annoying because I have her at rank 10 and put so much time into practicing her however she still has a high skill range because of her new passive (when dying you can’t see anyone or interact with anyone, you can only place plants, so you will have to predict where a fight once you respawn will take place).
@@jxrji3654 Thank you for your insight. Some of the people I have heard are saying "She's ruined because brain-dead people want to play her and they are too stupid to understand the kit as is". I don't like those people, too toxic and selfish.
How do you like the changes as someone whom put in time in with her? Also do you think that the changes have opened her up to new players as in making it easier to learn?
@@jettblade I think she will still have an amazing kit, and in all honesty I still think she will need to played to her full potential, but it’s a lot easier for people new to the game to pick up on her and I love that also, I kinda thought she needed some things changing none the less because she has felt a bit janky lately. I think it will be a lot easier for the people playing her and for the people playing against her.
@@jxrji3654 Thank you for your thoughts.
Your home gym? The plot thickens
Ah so easy burst mage. Thanks hirez for confirming you guys dont want really hard complicated gods
I can see why you are not happy with the change, but personally I am. I never liked the fact she had "homing attacks" it's not fun to fight, & it's just annoying. In my opinion she is boring to play, with her ult being the only thing really fun part about her kit. I respect your opinion though.
@@SlapMeGaming-Realms bro she still has homing atacks the difference is that they're easyer to hit in some situations and literally useless in others
Prefer the old, sometimes it's nice having hard to learn character because it's pretty rewarding winning and doing well with them once you go through trial and error.
Ah Puch easy to do kit wasn't desired, oh well I guess every character has to be pick up friendly these days.
Can someone explain why you intentionally missed the ult on the Ra bot?
to proc staff of myrddin
@@Droxius if the ult hits it doesnt proc?
@@mediocredew It was to show that you oneshot without even using the ult for damage
Well and I still stay with my opinion that this rework was not needed for Persephone. Now they make too good and too easy to play with her. It should be other gods who is not in top tier list. Plants now is a game changer. She will be one of the top mages instantly after the patch release until some nerfs in a future :D
Do you think maybe Soul Gem didn't trigger when you Leapt because you were Untargetable when the plants set it off?
I dont think practice NPCs are a good way to test. I find it weird, say I choose a god build that I one shot in practice, it will not do that in a real match, BUT, huge but, Ive found a God build that I can pretty much kill any god, at max health, in a real match in a 2 skill hit, 100% of the time, but in practice that god build wont kill the practice bot. That’s why I say it’s weird.
When is 8.5 gonna drop?
Oh my god, her new one and new two are basically just old nox XD
Suiciding on tower is some crazy level meta, lol. That's very funny, but seems legit.
I was hoping here rework would make her less buggy. Derp
Her reworked passive sucks wtf was they thinking. Smh
Old noxs kit lookin kinda weird rn
I think the the soul gem not proccing is a bug
Like I said, imagine breaking a god, that no one was complaining about really. And this is what we get.
Yes it's broken (overturned)but y'all know the PROCESS, they nerf it down, rather then buff, it'll always be that way.
Such greed from Hirez smh
Rather them fix some gods that are boring, and outdated kits, rather a recent new god, getting it....
Oh great she is like a toth with more cc and wider abilites
They better revert this shit
I think the only question left is can you fafnir here flowers lol
how did they manage to make her more broken?
Haha yeah I'm very excited to play the rework! She looks alot more fun and consistent now.
i don’t know, i’m gonna miss spamming those harvest circles. they felt a lot more satisfying to hit than the plants
@@stepbrother.69 eh sending a ton of plants down at a enemy at once is pretty satisfying too haha
Uggghh joust is going to be hell again
Persephone needs a rework again
Surprised you didn't mention that her 2 deals dmg to towers. Maybe I missed it tho.
Persephone will be absolutely awful after the change. Especially her death stage. Her death stage will contribute nothing for the team or herself.
Wait what happened to the damage reduction
It’s still there