I can really recommend Thrustmaster Hotas 4 joystick for X-Plane 11 VR (same as I'm using) if you dont want to use the VR controllers. Grab it here: amzn.to/2FJmhQh Thanks for supporting my channel, guys!
Concur. While I haven't tried the Warthog, I know that it's not 10 times better than this version, but it definitely is 10 times more expensive :) Seems to work great and fine. Upgrade later and start with this one.
I'm currently using this as well. However, it's definitely not the best. You really can;t separate the quadrants much at all, if you wanted to mount them on different sides of the chair and route the cable somewhere, this is not the best bet. Also the throttle has a detent and a deadzone at 50% which can become slightly annoying. IMO, if you know you're a flight simmer and will use the hardware, get the Thrustmaster T16000m
Thanks, this tutorial was extremely needed. I can’t imagine how much research you must have done to make this vid. Gonna have to watch it a few time to get a good grasp of everything
Thank you Juilien, Im so happy to hear that :) Its one of those videos I really only do for you all XP11 VR fans, and it doesn't matter how much time it takes to complete. You need to know those tweaks :) Its a video that wont ever get many views, but those of you that care will probably appreciate it. Sure, take your time. The j3FPS plugin and the Lasso Process gives the biggest boost, its quite amazing. In NY city with custom scenery, it more than doubled my frame rate! Cheers
Mate, this finally made me able to use my RIFT in X-Plane 11. My god it looks amazing and after hours and hours of garbage ideas online and tutorials you fixed my stuttering. I have a 1080Ti and it was just a stutter mess, now I can lock in 45FPS with some settings on high/maximum and play smooth in the glorious VR. I love you!
Great vid sir! 1.I’ve bought two lighthouses, and cannot track either with my Pimax 5K+ 2. My Ebay Vive controller is stuck 180° in the X dimension… In other words when the laser should be pointing into the screen at the VR Screen options, it’s pointing directly at me… Any ideas? 3. Have you figured out how to smooth out the shuddering in OBS OpenVR Capture Plugin? Thanks Chas
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I knew several of the tweaks before but this is the perfect overview and also included some options I was not aware of.
Thank you so much SweViver for this incredible optimization guide. The amount of work behind this must have been insane. The researching as well as presenting and creating this in-depth tutorial for us to use and get a solid experience is truly amazing, and I'm so thankful for this contribution. I still haven't tried X-Plane 11, so this is even more fantastic, that I will get a solid first impression and experience through this guide. Thank you so much for sharing and caring SweViver. :)
Thanks man, Im so happy to hear you liked it! :) Well, as I said before this is one of those videos I probably spent most time on, and I know this video wont even get much views haha (I knew this even before I uploaded it), but its worth it all the way! :) Love helping out the community! Those tweaks, especially the Lasso software and that j3FPS plugin really does magic in terms of performance in VR! :) Im sure you will get addicted in XP11 VR as soon as you try it! And dont fly around in the default scenery, there is tons of free scenery that looks truly awesome, just like all stuff from MisterX6 (just google it). Have fun up in the air! :)
Your first VR video convinced me to buy it... this video made it work flawlessly. Thanks! Side note: Didn't OC CPU (5820K 3.3 Mhz) or GPU (1080 Ti). 16gb DDR4, smooth 45 fps.
Im very happy to hear that Matt :) Awesome! Now lets hope they improve the performance in the upcoming beta's so we can bump up the details even more :) Cheers and enjoy!
Excellent video, thank you so much. I know is an old video now, but I just bought the HTC Vive Pro. Any new changes that you would recommend at this point other than the ones in your video?
There's a bit of misinformation at 2:45. Oculus has TWO methods of interpolation. Asynchronous Time Warp (ATW) and Asynchronous Space Warp (ASW). Neither "double your framefrate". The VR hardware wants frame data fed to it every 11ms (90fps). If the sim is unable to sustain 90fps then without ATW and ASW, you would get a freeze until the next frame came in which would feel very jerky. Both ATW and ASW allow the driver to make guesses about what the frame could/should have looked like based on the motion of your head and the previous frame(s) data. ATW compensates for translation motion (moving your head around). ASW compensates for rotational motion (twisting your head). Without ASW, you would STILL have ATW keeping things smooth...it would just be less accurate with its predictions if you were to rotate your head rapidly. It's true the Vive does not have ASW but it does have asynchronous reprojection which is roughly their equivalent of Oculus's ATW. So ASW is not dramatically improving performance, it's simply making slightly better predictions.
Thank you very much for your in-depth explanation Chris, I really appreciate it as I have definitely learned something new today! I actually thought Oculus only used a ASW reprojection, but now after your explanation I finally understand how it works. Indeed, I should correct myself here. As you say, the performance is not better on Rift compared to Vive, but the ASW gives us the "feeling" of a more smooth experience thanks to the way it reprojects, not only the head rotational movements but also the rest of the image. I really hope HTC/Valve can make a similar solution, as I personally thing Asynchronous Reprojection is not even close in terms of smoothness when framedrops occur, especially with games with free movement, flying or racing. Anyway, big thanks for this - much appreciated! Greetings from Sweden :)
@SweViver thank you for this video. I got the Samsung HMD+ based on your reviews and found this tutorial super helpful. Primarily using it for X plane 11 and DCS, and via these tweaks and GPU OC I am able to get +20 fps outside of VR so far. Amazing!
Hehe I know the feeling, XP11 VR is like an addiction, once you get stuck you cant stop! :) Absolutely, I will for sure do more of both! Thanks for watching 😘
Awesome video - really changed my fps - still not able to get maximum buildings etc - using a 1080ti o/c with 7700k o/c to 5 ghz 32 gb ddr4 - everything now at 45fps. I have the buildings on high
For those running into issues with the Advanced settings. You can launch a desktop version by going into your OpenVR Advanced Settings install path (Default for me is: C:\Program Files\OpenVR-AdvancedSettings) and run the file called "startdesktopmode.bat"
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! amazing walkthrough on all these steps!!!! What CPU cooler are you using? I also have an i7 8700k and a gtx 1080ti, but my CPU temps are WAYYYYYY high, like 80C+ when playing xplane in VR... I realize I probably need a better water cooler but I'm not sure how much is needed. currently installed is the corsair H60... i'm looking to upgrade to the H110 or H115i..... thanks again!!!!
Thank you very much Tim :) I know, the 8700K is really a hot CPU unfortunately. Im running it with a watercooled AIO (NZXT Kraken x62) and at 4.9Ghz on full load it still can spike around 75 or even 80 sometimes when benchmarking. Its crazy! While running XP11 VR its usually on 60-65 degrees or less as this simulator wont max the CPU anyway. I would recommend you to invest in a 280mm AIO like the H115i or Kraken x62, or even better :) Cheers and thanks for watching!
I had no idea I needed such a large AIO water cooler!!!! haha!! the 280mm won't fit in my current case, so I'm going to try with the H100iv2 240mm. thanks again for the great videos! :) also, I found in a different video something that is giving me quite a good performance improvement on XP11 and you might want to try it. you go into windows defender security center, virus and threat protection, then turn off real-time protection while playing xp11. try it out!
240mm should be enough as well, no problem. Just dont go for those small 140 ones :) Oh, I have never tried it, thats awesome I will give it a go next time! Thank you so much man!
Excellent tutorial! Can't wait for your tpcast oculus/vive how to use one router/software for both! BTW I wasn't able to get tpcast vive v1.1.4 running, still using version 1.1.2.0 w/no problems....just wondering why v1.1.4 can't get past last step on startup and of course the need for tracking optimization w/tpcast Oculus ( you said to place tpcast in between oculus sensors two and three, which I have not gotten to yet ) anyway have a nice one SweViver!
Thank you very much man! :) Oh, damn I totally forgot to make that video! I will try to have it done this week, but I cant promise yet... Hmm thats strange. Make sure to go into European-tab on their website if you have the EU version, as there seems to be different versions for EU/US. Im using the latest Vive software for both Vive and Rift and it works fine. The last step on startup will never work for Rift, when using the Vive software. Thats because its looking for some Vive-features, but the Rift image and everything works great anyway. The TPCAST software will retry and retry in a endless loop, but meanwhile you can play for hours :) Thats why its possible to use the Vive software with Rift TPCAST. Its not 100% perfect, but it works 100% at least :)
First, congratulations on your effort to produce this great material. Second, I'd like to know if you suffer with blurry texts in the cockpit. While I'm flying with my oculus rift, It's almost impossible to read any instrument. Thank you!
Hi great vid. You said you have to use Steam VR for VR to work on X Plane 11, but that is not the case with Oculus (it runs without, actually I got slightly better frames without, although I didn't install the one you suggested). Is it still best to use Steam VR as you described or go without for Oculus?
SweViver, I was going to get the Pimax, but went with Samsung for now. Glad I did, my 8700k and 1080ti struggle to get 90 FPS in DCS. Most often it sits at 45 when low to the ground. I don’t see how a VR headset with twice the resolution of the Samsung will perform any better until the next generation GTX Ti top line card is out. When I set my super sampling at 2 or 2.5 it looks amazingly sharp and clear at cost to FPS however. Racing and flight sims will be amazing when 90 FPS and graphics on par with a good monitor are achieved.
Hey mate! I see your point, and congratulations on your new Odyssey headset, I sure you will have loads of fun with it! :) I actually have the Odyssey as well since a few days ago, but I have not even unboxed it yet... Having that said, I think you should know thath PImax 8K is using the same input resolution for games as the Odyssey does. Its not a native 4K image being rendered. The image is being internally upscaled by a chip in the headset, from 1440p to 4K, so in terms of performance, there should be no difference (or at least almost none difference) at all :)
If I have an i5 7600k, do I turn off both 0 and 1 core? Not going through steam and using a Samsung Odyssey +. OR do I just turn off the 0 core? Thanks.
Hi thanks for this tutorial mate it’s awesome :) just a quick question. What do you think about turn Hyper Threading off ? I heard that it would increase performance in XP11. Thx
Thanks mate, Im happy you liked it! Oh you mean Hyper Threading on the CPU in BIOS? Yeah I have heard the same actually, but I have not tried it. Could be worth to check out soon! Let me know if you give it a go. I have 2 nights to work night shifts now so I cant play until Wednesday again ;) Cheers
Hey there! Just wondering if you have any opinions on whether some of the VR issues have been improved since the native VR support release of X-Plane 11? Does the newest release support multiple CPUs now?
Thanks, was long but values. I doubled my framerate from about 25 to more 60-70 without having yet install 3jFPs on a 960m laptoo I will be able to fly a Dynon more heavily simulated glass cockpit with more objects and pleasure Happy New Year
Thanks a lot for making this tutorial! Most of the things you've mentioned are - at least for me - not new, but you made the effort to summarize and put all these things together. Thank you! One thing I would like to know, regardless of all these tweaks: How much difference are the fps from X-Plane with FlyInside plugin to X-Plane with native VR? Has native VR really better fps from ground up? I do not use the latest beta with native VR yet. I'm still on v11.11 with FlyInside, so I cannot compare. Thanks a lot in advance!
Thanks mate :) Yeah most of the stuff in this tutorial are no news for many people, but I hope some people will find it useful :) Actually, I never tried FlyInside with X Plane 11 to be honest :) I actually thing FlyInside has some better performance from what I could read in forums, but the big thing with this native VR support is the ability to use the VR controllers :) You should really give the beta a try, flying with "hands" is adding a lot to the immersion! Cheers
Hi! Thanks for your reply. I'm very curious about native VR support. I will wait until beta is over and it's officially released. I can bearly believe that a plugin (FlyInside) is more FPS-friendly than native support. We will see. I did a few more tests the last few days (with XP11 and FlyInside). With FlyInside you can choose between different resolutions which will be displayed in the Oculus Rift. I set it to the highest resolution (approximately 3800 pixels wide) and set Super Sampling in Oculus Tray Tool to "0". I was very surprised about the result because this gave me about 10 to 15 (!) fps more with the same rendering settings in the same scenery. I the beginning as I started to use X-Plane with Oculus Rift I tweaked FlyInside settings to go beyond its maximum resolution (simply by editing the .ini file) to about 4100 pixels (wide). As we can see, in this case tweaking makes things worse. Although there is a difference of only about 200 pixels, going back to FlyInsides stock settings is the best decision I could do. So every system and installation is very individual and "sensible". ;-)
Oh, and I forgot to mention that switching off "draw shadows on scenery" is not an option for me. I do VFR and low altitude flights most of the time (primarily helicopters) and switching off shadows makes it not real. It makes it really bad and unnatural. Loosing fps to get it more natural with shadows is absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Oh I see, very interesting, thanks for the info! Yeah, tweaking is not always helping out hehe. Im sure the performance will improve a lot in the native VR version soon with more updates. The devs seems to work very hard to improve it as they have realized how much VR improves this simulator in terms of immersion. Lets hope we can finally get those 90fps in the final version :)
Hi! One more thing I would like to mention regarding fps tweaking: There is even more you can do. You can edit the settings.ini file in X-Planes preferences folder as well. Please have a look at this: ruclips.net/video/eLaDemEsSPk/видео.html The video is in german, but I think you'll understand what's the point. In the discription there is a download link as well containing different settings file types. I haven tried them yet. I am currently quite happy with my (VR) setup.
Thanks a lot mate :) Nopes, I only use one GTX 1080 Ti. The performance has improved a lot with new updates since I made this video, so its running MUCH better now! :) Hope you will enjoy!
Hi SweViver, congrats for the video. I am receiving my Rift later this week, moving from Triples to VR. Do I still need to squeeze extra performance with your inputs or is it no longer needed since the latest updates do Xplane ?
Hi there! So, after a few months after our little conversation in the comments section of this video I am back. Meanwhile a few things have changed. I have a new rig (i7 7700k@4.4 GHz and GTX 1080) and native VR support has been officially released, currently with version 11.20r4. In the past I had similar tweaks as you explain in your video here, but now the things are different. To keep things short: Regarding fps in VR less tweaking is more efficient. First of all you need a good CPU, of course. Your 8700k has more cores, but I suppose that the 7700 has better single-core performance, which is important for flight sims (as long as there is no Vulcan support). But you are right, you have to learn to set up your BIOS and make the right settings there. Of course SteamVR is not needed anymore as well. If anybody has installed it only for X-Plane, you can uninstall it now when using Oculus Rift. I use X-Plane for helicopter and low altitude flights most of the time, which is much more demanding on performance than IFR flights or flights in high altitudes. My new finding is, that high fps (in your case you are talking about approximately 45 fps) is not necessary for fluid gameplay in VR. I did the following: First of all you should test in a crowded area with high object/building density. In my case I did my tests in the region of the city of Munich, Germany, starting at EDNX, heading southeast over and around Munich. I use default autogen with custom scenery "Enriched Autogen", no other w2xp sceneries, no orthophotos or stuff like that. And I use the great HD v4 mesh of AlpilotX. In X-Plane graphic settings I've set "number of objects" to maximum (highest setting), "draw shadows on scenery" to "on" (yes! This is very important when flying low or VFR, otherwise the entire scenery would look "flat"), the upper left slider I've set one notch down to "HDR", textures are as well one notch down on "high", antialiasing is set to "off" (= "none"), reflections are set to minimum (the very lowest setting), parked aircrafts are off because I use World Traffic v3. Regarding antialiasing I let Nvidia Control Panel do the job and set it to "FXAA = on". I use Oculus Debug Tool to set the scaling to 1.3, which is - in combination with Nvidias FXAA - absolutely enough for me to read the gauges etc. And I use Oculus Debug Tool to set the ASW reprojection to "off" (= "disabled"). This is the most important thing to get fluid graphics in X-Plane, independent of computing power. You can use Oculus Debug Tool on the fly while X-Plane is running. Every setting/change you make has an immediate effect. Then I rejected some things. I removed Process Lasso (I have the Pro version as well). I was glad to see that this had no negative effect regarding VR performance. Thus Process Lasso is not needed anymore. After that I removed (not disabled) the latest version of 3jFPS wizard. And this did the trick! Obviously native X-Plane (I'm talking about v11.20r4) has some built-in "on-the-fly" optimizations under the hood regarding fps in VR. With 3jFPS wizard enabled (and I played around with it a very long time to find a good setting for me) the fps jumped around, far objects (esp. high buildings) in the distance were not visible, no or only a few cars on the roads etc. In short: It made things and visual appearance worse. Obviously there is even more computing power needed for this LUA script to keep or reach the desired fps. Or 3jFPS wizard is fighting against X-Planes built-in optimizations when calculating each frame. So I recommend to get rid of it if you have a powerful CPU and GPU. It might be helpful on lower end machines. In summary: Without 3jFPS wizard and with Oculus ASW disabled I get stable 23 fps (sometimes it drops to 22 fps, but recovers to 23 fps) in areas with high object density - and it is enough! It is really enough! Give it a try! It is fluid and smooth, and big cities look amazing with "number of objects" set to maximum! In areas with less object density fps are higher of course. I think 3jFPS wizard is more (and only) helpful on older machines with less computing power. It is highly recommended for everyone to tweak less and give native X-Plane a try!
@SweViver great video...maybe you could help me....i have Oculus Rift, GeForce Titan Black and xPlane 11 with actual software... my Oculus works perfect on ther AAA Games (Skyrim etc) but in Xplane i can click the VR option enable...did you have an idea or troubleshooting ideas?
Hi, Sweviver, please what settings do you recommend? I have an i9 9900k overclocked to 5.1GHz on an ROG Maximus XI Extreme MB, an RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 with little overclock, and 32GB 3200MHz GSkill on XMP profile. My VR headset is a Samsung HMD Odyssey WMR Headset.
I also thank you for putting this together. Tomorrow my Oculus Rift arrives! I do have a question though--- and perhaps I can only get my answer by trial and error---but i have an i5. Do you still recommend dedicating 2 cores to X-Plane leaving 2 for VR?
Thanks Gary, Im happy to hear you liked it! :) Wow congrats, I really hope you will enjoy X Plane 11 and your Rift, I promise you this will be an amazing journey for you in VR! Yes, using the Lasso software core dedication will fix the tracking issues with Rift, so I can really recommend you to do so! An Intel i5 is well enough I think, as the simulator only uses single core performance. You could try overclocking it a bit also! Cheers and welcome to the world of VR! :)
Thank you for your reply! Well, having now set it up and flown in the Rift, all I can say is UNBELIEVABLE. No, its not perfect, and a little grainy, but what an experience. How do you explain it to people? It is amazing NOW, but as it improves, I think this is revolutionary.
Yep, it indeed is amazing. Thing is, its very difficult to explain this to people that never tried VR. I think Virtual Reality is something everyone needs to try before they understand the power of it :) Im happy you are enjoying your Rift. Indeed its wfar from perfect but this is just the beginning of the VR revolution! Have fun now and thank you too for the reply :)
Thats true mate. Of course it kind of depends how you are flying. If you only want to ply low altitude around cities like I did here to demonstrate the beauty of this simulator and to show the FPS difference, of course its going to be better with max buildings and objects, but as you point out, its quite unnecessary if you fly on higher altitudes and the buildings gets cut away by the low LOD anyway :) Most of the time I set world objects to High which is more than enough for regular flight sessions.
Thank you. This video helped me optimize graphical settings and get desired frame rate. I did run into one issue with your instructions on project lasso. I did not see any vrcompsitor file so I could not disable the cores in the second step you described. Since that was the case I had to totally shelve using this software. I had the game running and searched for this file in both active and recent processes with no luck (steam VF/oculus). Not sure why that is. Maybe it’s different file name in newer versions of game? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again for producing this excellent video!
Is there anyway to do this on the quest? I’m planning to fly the a320 on it and I was wondering how would it look? Will everything be clear and can I apply those settings on the quest? Do u think it will be helpful for flight training purposes?
Thanks Paul :) Its one of those videos I really care to do for you all XP11 VR fans, and it doesn't matter how much time it takes to complete. You need to know those tweaks! I cant say enough how much I love this simulator :)
What is the point of setting buildings to max to then have a plug in that hides them? Just turn amount of buildings down and you would get the same fps increase no? You can get a similar effect by using the X plane settings plugin and switching off HDR for huge fps boost but lowered LOD. Good vid though.
You have a point here Dan! It kind of depends how you are flying. If you only want to ply low altitude around cities like I did here to demonstrate the FPS difference, of course its going to be more good looking with max buildings and objects, but as you point out, its quite unnecessary if you fly on higher altitudes and the buildings gets cut away by the low LOD anyway :) Most of the time I set world objects to High which is more than enough for regular flight sessions. Hmm, I have actually totally missed the Advanced settings plugin, I will definitely give it a try, sounds very interesting! :) Thank you very much for your input and hints!
I was getting frustrated stuck at 25fps with low graphic settings with my rift s, i59600k (overclocked to just below 5ghz) and my Nvidia rtx2070. Some of the steps in this video helped but the biggest eureka moment was turning off virtual mouse in Xplane settings which I don’t need on vr planes. FPS pretty much doubled and even turning up graphics and supersampling didn’t affect FPS too much. Not sure why virtual mouse hits FPS so much but I’m running about 45fps vr now and that’s smooth enough for me!!
I've been interested in these smoother plugins but I just got results I'm very happy with on the vive with an amd rx580 by changing the graphics settings in the radeon control center for x-plane to texture filter : performance basic default everything else, and changing the in game anistrophic filtering to 16x looked really good and gave like 0 fps drop. I'm getting a smooth 45 at least, it's probably like a smooth 60, not 90 though. I don't look at fps, I give the hand wave test, just wave your controller in front of your face quickly, if it looks like a natural blur that's 90, if it changes consistency it's not a steady frame rate. Probably only works with amazing lighthouse tracking but it works well. Unfortunately nothing works better than setting the render resolution to 70% in the vive settings for xplane... works though
What you recommand for the pimax 5k+ I just overclock my 9900k to ~ 5ghz per core but I search the best resolution for my cpu and my rtx 2080 16 go de ddr 2666
Great tutorial - thanks. I’m hearing on forums that the sim now operates better without the Fly with Lua add on in V6 of the beta. Would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks mate :) Yes indeed, the latest updates has really improved the performance, especially using Rift as ASW now works great! I have not tried it much yet, but I will for sure update soon with another video :) Cheers and enjoy your weekend!
Not sure if this is still relevant in 2021, but I only got my Oculus Quest 2 a few days ago, and trying to follow these instructions (bottom low end PC here). Anyway, I got to the point of setting up the 3jFPS plugin, I downloaded the two files necessary and put them into the Scripts and Modules folders as instructed, but the plugin doesn't show in my Flywithlua plugin Macros menu. Should I continue to look for a solution, or is this script completely out of date for the current version of xplane? Please help, TIA.
Cheers mate :) Its one of those videos you spent most time on, and still get the lowest views haha. But its worth it, this simulator deserves the time spent - its a blast! :)
As long as you enjoyed it... that's all that matters! - I played a game today, hated it, scrapped my footage and played and recorded something else instead. ;)
Nice tutorial... thanks for all the research and the effort you put into making this. It just sucks that you have to add so much additional software and work so hard just to get it to a point where it's playable.
Thanks for the video. In your opinion, do you think i can have a stable 45 fps by using all the software like you said, but without overclocking? (Little bit scared to overclock) Pc specs: i5 7600 Gtx 1080 16 gb ram Thanks for your time!
Absolutely. the i5 7600 is a powerful enough CPU for sure (i7 is not needed at all as its single core performance that counts and the 7600 is good enough), as long as you add all the other tweaks and plugins :) Thanks for watching mate, Im glad you enjoyed!
I stopped using X-Plane 11 because it kept crashing on me in VR. I wonder if you could tell me whether it could be my CPU that's dragging me down. I have a Intel i5 6600 (overclocked 23%), Asus Maximus VIII Gene motherboard. Is that my issue? Do I need a a better CPU?
Thanks for this video. I have Xplane 11 and is not fun, so slow is the Xplane.Until now. I dont know the App „OpenVR Advanced Settings“ , now I know that. Nice video and info
I have no idea to be honest, Im still considering to buy some rudder pedals. I just heard the new Thrustmaster rudder pedals are good and for a reasonable price! www.ebay.com/itm/Thrustmaster-2960764-Tfrp-T-flight-Rudder-Pedals-/391815162475
I am lost with the STEAM VR settings. I downloaded everything, but cant see where you get to this menu. When I open steam vr it puts me in a living room, and there are no settings buttons at all.
Also, How do I add X-plane 11 to Steam? You say it needs Steam VR to run.. but, I have been running the Beta without using Steam VR at all. This does not show up on the Steam list of games I have installed, because it was installed as a stand alone etc. So, will the advanced settings do anything?
About XP11, you need to opt into the beta, and then start the game WITHOUT SteamVR on. Start the game, go into Settings and VR Settings. Click the "Enable VR mode" and XP11 will start SteamVR and show up in your headset. Unfortunately SteamVR needs to be closed when starting up XP11 every time :)
Do you think there would be any problem with running the Dell VR118 Headset for the visual experience only, without the controllers, just using a standard mouse and yoke/hotas?
Im sure it will work very nice, XP11 has already built in Windows Mixed Reality headset support - and you will get better resolution as well :) I will try it soon on my Samsung Odyssey! Cheers
Thanks m8, I'm of the opinion that if you have a 1080ti and an i7 8700k yet still have to make a 40 minute video about how to get it working properly, it's not a game I will be buying yet. I realise of course as an old school gamer that tweaking is a requirement for a sub standard rig or a pc below the games minimum requirements. However when you have this hardware and still have to mess about, at that point it's down to their lack of optimisation and I'm not paying good money for that :)
Thanks for your input mate! Yeah, I fully agree. This sim needs a lot of optimization to be made by the developers. Its quite unacceptable in this current state. But have in mind its just a first VR Preview/Beta yet, so Im sure it will improve over time! :) Cheers
will I be able to read the info in cockpit ,gauges ,etc? x-plane 11 ,my pc has 8086k 5.2 Ghz, 32 GB ram , 2x2080 Ti , 2 tera Samsung Nvme 970 ,I purchased the 8k yesterday, march 2 ,2019 ,it will take some time for Pimax to ship the item ,please SweViver what should I do? the VR is mainly for x-plane 11
How exactly do you interface VIVE with XPLANE 11 via Steam? Do you use a 3rd party software or run it in a 'theater' mode?? When I run xplane 11 in Vive I basically see a monitor mode in front of me. I also noticed in the xplane graphics, I don't see a VR option at bottom of screen??
Hey mate! You need to change to Beta in Steam. Right click on X Plane 11 in your Steam library, properties and pick the beta tab. Chose the latest available beta and wait for steam to download the files. Then start the game WITHOUT having SteamVR on. Go into game, enable VR mode and it will start up SteamVR automatically and now it works :) Enjoy!
Hello. I got Oculus and it works fiine with Steam Vr and the Oculus Software. But in X-Plane i can't switch "enable VR Hardware" in the VR Hardware section (its grey) bit alle Sensors and the Rift are green and in all other Games it works. Did you have an Idea?
Thanks. The process lasso part is unneeded. Since X-plane for Oculus is running without steam, there is no Vrcompositor.exe process running. And in my opinion messing with processes and their priorities is a bad idea in general. People who created these games and programs and hardware were smart enough to know how to prioritize. For the clouds part, they do work and look nice, I will post them on my channel. Enviro 1.06 works and looks fine too, currently testing Enviro 1.08 and doing work for developers as well. Same thing for the fog, limiting it vis is just unrealistic and doesn't look good. Minimizing XP mirror down to tray will make your mouse not work in xp. One more advise: assign a button for re-centering view on your joy and assign a button for hiding/showing mouse pointer while in HMD, you can switch it off and have better looks performance using it with real joystick, rudder pedals and throttle. For the lua scripts, go to my channel and soon I will post it there.
Hey SweViver when in VR how do you record in Full screen? Or are you cropping the footage afterward. Im using OBS and can only seem to record with the Black on the sides. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for the Video.
Hey mate! Use the free OpenVR Input Plugin for OBS Studio. It will import the VR mirror view from SteamVR and u can crop it in many ways in the plugin. If u dont use SteamVR, and only run on Oculus Rift, u can use the Oculus Mirror view to get a 16:9 aspect ratio image from your VR view. Cheers :)
SweViver help me mine is gaming asus laptop i've put the fan speed to 60% but the fan 3333 rpm but in the zotac showing that its 0?! how can i fix that? please help!
Great set of optimisations.. unfortunately I am screwed on one of them. CPU overclock. Last year I broke with my intel-only policy and built my first ever AMD system. Ryzen 7 clocked at 3.84ghz (it's not stable above this). Reason for going Ryzen was for 3d rendering and I got tired of Intel rising prices and temperatures because of their thermal paste on IHS. Now I have a Ryzen for 3d rendering I don't need a Ryzen for 3d rendering... 3d rendering has advanced to GPU based rendering via Octane and Blender Cycles. I am someone who likes to overclock. I used to chill my old Pentium 4 below zero with liquid and TEC. My previous i5 2500k was clocked at 4.8ghz. Now I'm stuck at 3.84ghz and my 4000mhz ram is stuck at 3466mhz on Ryzen. Yesterday I came within 2mm of buying an 8700k CPU and ditching the Ryzen. I like to run flight sims and currently DCS and other flight sims are held back by ancient single core code. I'm running HTC Vive so I need those high clock speeds! I discussed this on DCS World forum yesterday and the feedback was that Ryzen is fine but the flight sim needs to change to make use of multi-threading and also that moving to an 8700k still wouldn't be enough to run DCS World at 90 fps with some aircraft (any aircraft with vintage analog dials like the Mig 21). I don't want to give up on Ryzen and go running back to intel but I think that when Ryzen+ launches it won't bring much of a clock boost (4.3ghz is the rumour).
Thanks Raphael, Im glad you found it useful :) Yeah its a shame that Ryzen doesnt allow overclocking! I can tell you that you wont get SO much increase in performance going for a 8700K to be honest. I went from a 4790K at 4,6-4.7 to 8700K at 4.9 but the improvement in terms of fps was minimal. I think we need to wait for multi threaded optimizations in those simulators until we really can use the full potential of our CPUs, whenever we have AMD or Intel... Lets hope the upcoming Vulcan API implementation in XP11 will fix this! Thanks for sharing your thoughts btw :) Cheers
I think you're right. I've been told that even an 8700K + 1080Ti won't stop the FPS from dropping to 45 or less in DCS world in some scenarios. Ancient code. 2.5 is a bit better and Vulkan is supposed to be coming to DCS also. Did you know Doom VFR was Vulkan? I've been checking and apparently there are a few VR games running under Vulkan now.
Yeah its sad but true... Hmm I look forward to try DCS soon again, especially when I get my Odyssey and Pimax 8K :) Yep, Doom VFR is built upon Vulkan API, but I was actually hoping it would utilize the CPU better than it does. Probably the GPU is bottlenecking here :)
Perhaps they went with Vulkan for Doom VFR because the game code was badly optimised? It's just a random theory. I purchased on release and got a refund because of the teleport and bugs. DCS or X-plane with Pimax and motion platform.
That could indeed be the reason! I can admit though that DOOM VFR runs much better now after all updates, and free loco works great! Tried it just 3 days ago and was really surprised how good its now compared when it was launched.. Oh yes, that sounds like a dream man haha! :)
I dunno how much time I spent on this one heh... but I hope you will enjoy and find this tutorial helpful :) Let me know your performance improvements and best tips! Here are my specs btw: Intel i7 8700K OC @4.9Ghz MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC @2Ghz 32GB DDR4 RAM 4000Mhz (3600@CL16) Samsung EVO 960 m.2 SSD 1000W EVGA G2 Supernova Windows 10 64bit (Fall Creators Update NOT installed)
Curious why you haven't installed the Fall creators update? After the initial bogginess, the latest updates to it have made it fly..pun originally not intended, but now intended ;)
Yeah and the performance of XP11 VR has improved a LOT with new updates (long after I made this video) so now its really butters mooth on the Oculus with ASW reprojection even without a lot of these tweaks! :)
Thank yuou very much for your very helpful guide (immediately subscribed on your channel) Now i've got 35-40 fps in vr but i'm still getting a lot of stutters! Can you hel me plese?
Is this any better? I just purchased XP11 and assume they have worked out the bugs for VR? I am looking at purchasing an HTC Vive and want to make sure XP11 will run okay in VR. Any input appreciated.
Hello there, this is Rodrigo from Chile, Im student pilot, I just got my new oculus rift, I have a brand new computer running with Intel i5 9th gen 4,1 Ghz, msi Geforce GTX 1650, 16 Gb Ram, usb 3.1, and pretty much everything to do it, but I have been trying following your tutorial to get it done, but there is so many things I can not resolve, actually I can fly with my oculus and Xplain 11 but with some dificulties, by any chance do you have time to help me on line =)((==?? Best regards.
forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/35733-xp-11-advanced-settings/ this helped as well, getting rid of hot air balloons and animals, clear weather, and turning off all AI aircraft inside x plane.
I can really recommend Thrustmaster Hotas 4 joystick for X-Plane 11 VR (same as I'm using) if you dont want to use the VR controllers. Grab it here: amzn.to/2FJmhQh
Thanks for supporting my channel, guys!
Concur. While I haven't tried the Warthog, I know that it's not 10 times better than this version, but it definitely is 10 times more expensive :) Seems to work great and fine. Upgrade later and start with this one.
I'm currently using this as well. However, it's definitely not the best. You really can;t separate the quadrants much at all, if you wanted to mount them on different sides of the chair and route the cable somewhere, this is not the best bet. Also the throttle has a detent and a deadzone at 50% which can become slightly annoying. IMO, if you know you're a flight simmer and will use the hardware, get the Thrustmaster T16000m
Thanks, this tutorial was extremely needed. I can’t imagine how much research you must have done to make this vid.
Gonna have to watch it a few time to get a good grasp of everything
Thank you Juilien, Im so happy to hear that :) Its one of those videos I really only do for you all XP11 VR fans, and it doesn't matter how much time it takes to complete. You need to know those tweaks :) Its a video that wont ever get many views, but those of you that care will probably appreciate it. Sure, take your time. The j3FPS plugin and the Lasso Process gives the biggest boost, its quite amazing. In NY city with custom scenery, it more than doubled my frame rate! Cheers
where can I get the 3Jfps plugin?
Nvidia Threaded Optimization ON is actually the new preferred setting since 11.3x at least (gain a few fps over being off).
Thanks for this.
Mate, this finally made me able to use my RIFT in X-Plane 11. My god it looks amazing and after hours and hours of garbage ideas online and tutorials you fixed my stuttering.
I have a 1080Ti and it was just a stutter mess, now I can lock in 45FPS with some settings on high/maximum and play smooth in the glorious VR. I love you!
Great vid sir!
1.I’ve bought two lighthouses, and cannot track either with my Pimax 5K+
2. My Ebay Vive controller is stuck 180° in the X dimension… In other words when the laser should be pointing into the screen at the VR Screen options, it’s pointing directly at me… Any ideas?
3. Have you figured out how to smooth out the shuddering in OBS OpenVR Capture Plugin?
Thanks
Chas
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. I knew several of the tweaks before but this is the perfect overview and also included some options I was not aware of.
Thanks Andreas, Im happy to hear that :) Love this simulator and I really hope they will improve the performance much more soon! Cheers
with all these tips and a few tweaks of my own, I can now run a steady 90fps on auto and 60fps on Max Quality :D thank you so much!
Thank you so much SweViver for this incredible optimization guide. The amount of work behind this must have been insane. The researching as well as presenting and creating this in-depth tutorial for us to use and get a solid experience is truly amazing, and I'm so thankful for this contribution. I still haven't tried X-Plane 11, so this is even more fantastic, that I will get a solid first impression and experience through this guide. Thank you so much for sharing and caring SweViver. :)
Thanks man, Im so happy to hear you liked it! :) Well, as I said before this is one of those videos I probably spent most time on, and I know this video wont even get much views haha (I knew this even before I uploaded it), but its worth it all the way! :) Love helping out the community! Those tweaks, especially the Lasso software and that j3FPS plugin really does magic in terms of performance in VR! :) Im sure you will get addicted in XP11 VR as soon as you try it! And dont fly around in the default scenery, there is tons of free scenery that looks truly awesome, just like all stuff from MisterX6 (just google it). Have fun up in the air! :)
Do u think its worth it to buy this game with a 2060? I have a rift s. Please respond.
Your first VR video convinced me to buy it... this video made it work flawlessly. Thanks! Side note: Didn't OC CPU (5820K 3.3 Mhz) or GPU (1080 Ti). 16gb DDR4, smooth 45 fps.
Im very happy to hear that Matt :) Awesome! Now lets hope they improve the performance in the upcoming beta's so we can bump up the details even more :) Cheers and enjoy!
Thanks for watching btw :)
Excellent video, thank you so much. I know is an old video now, but I just bought the HTC Vive Pro. Any new changes that you would recommend at this point other than the ones in your video?
There's a bit of misinformation at 2:45. Oculus has TWO methods of interpolation. Asynchronous Time Warp (ATW) and Asynchronous Space Warp (ASW). Neither "double your framefrate". The VR hardware wants frame data fed to it every 11ms (90fps). If the sim is unable to sustain 90fps then without ATW and ASW, you would get a freeze until the next frame came in which would feel very jerky. Both ATW and ASW allow the driver to make guesses about what the frame could/should have looked like based on the motion of your head and the previous frame(s) data. ATW compensates for translation motion (moving your head around). ASW compensates for rotational motion (twisting your head). Without ASW, you would STILL have ATW keeping things smooth...it would just be less accurate with its predictions if you were to rotate your head rapidly. It's true the Vive does not have ASW but it does have asynchronous reprojection which is roughly their equivalent of Oculus's ATW. So ASW is not dramatically improving performance, it's simply making slightly better predictions.
Thank you very much for your in-depth explanation Chris, I really appreciate it as I have definitely learned something new today! I actually thought Oculus only used a ASW reprojection, but now after your explanation I finally understand how it works.
Indeed, I should correct myself here. As you say, the performance is not better on Rift compared to Vive, but the ASW gives us the "feeling" of a more smooth experience thanks to the way it reprojects, not only the head rotational movements but also the rest of the image. I really hope HTC/Valve can make a similar solution, as I personally thing Asynchronous Reprojection is not even close in terms of smoothness when framedrops occur, especially with games with free movement, flying or racing.
Anyway, big thanks for this - much appreciated! Greetings from Sweden :)
Came for the killer optimization tips. Stayed for "Wind in the Willows" playing in the background.
ha, it's the same guy that gave me the excellent guide to changing my htc vive lenses. thanks for another excellent vid!
@SweViver thank you for this video. I got the Samsung HMD+ based on your reviews and found this tutorial super helpful. Primarily using it for X plane 11 and DCS, and via these tweaks and GPU OC I am able to get +20 fps outside of VR so far. Amazing!
did your cpu catch fire?
Thank you so much ! Everyday I play X-plane VR unless an hour . Plz make more videos about X-plane and mixed reality .
Hehe I know the feeling, XP11 VR is like an addiction, once you get stuck you cant stop! :) Absolutely, I will for sure do more of both! Thanks for watching 😘
Thank you so much! I've been going step by step through this so I can get my VR flight sim on.
Awesome video - really changed my fps - still not able to get maximum buildings etc - using a 1080ti o/c with 7700k o/c to 5 ghz 32 gb ddr4 - everything now at 45fps. I have the buildings on high
I wish someone would make a new vid for this decade. I downloaded that OpenVR Advanced Settings and it doesnt even a show up.
Thank you so much for all the research and work you did to provide this incredibly useful information!
Excellent tutorial!!! I was about to give up on VR for X-Plane. Really good job.
For those running into issues with the Advanced settings. You can launch a desktop version by going into your OpenVR Advanced Settings install path (Default for me is: C:\Program Files\OpenVR-AdvancedSettings) and run the file called "startdesktopmode.bat"
Awesome. I use HTC Vive and now i got from 28FPS to 45FPS. Amazing
Im so happy to hear that mate, awesome! :) Hope you will enjoy, its a lovely simulator! Cheers
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
amazing walkthrough on all these steps!!!!
What CPU cooler are you using?
I also have an i7 8700k and a gtx 1080ti, but my CPU temps are WAYYYYYY high, like 80C+ when playing xplane in VR... I realize I probably need a better water cooler but I'm not sure how much is needed. currently installed is the corsair H60... i'm looking to upgrade to the H110 or H115i..... thanks again!!!!
Thank you very much Tim :)
I know, the 8700K is really a hot CPU unfortunately. Im running it with a watercooled AIO (NZXT Kraken x62) and at 4.9Ghz on full load it still can spike around 75 or even 80 sometimes when benchmarking. Its crazy! While running XP11 VR its usually on 60-65 degrees or less as this simulator wont max the CPU anyway. I would recommend you to invest in a 280mm AIO like the H115i or Kraken x62, or even better :) Cheers and thanks for watching!
I had no idea I needed such a large AIO water cooler!!!! haha!! the 280mm won't fit in my current case, so I'm going to try with the H100iv2 240mm. thanks again for the great videos! :)
also, I found in a different video something that is giving me quite a good performance improvement on XP11 and you might want to try it. you go into windows defender security center, virus and threat protection, then turn off real-time protection while playing xp11. try it out!
240mm should be enough as well, no problem. Just dont go for those small 140 ones :)
Oh, I have never tried it, thats awesome I will give it a go next time! Thank you so much man!
Excellent tutorial! Can't wait for your tpcast oculus/vive how to use one router/software for both! BTW I wasn't able to get tpcast vive v1.1.4 running, still using version 1.1.2.0 w/no problems....just wondering why v1.1.4 can't get past last step on startup and of course the need for tracking optimization w/tpcast Oculus ( you said to place tpcast in between oculus sensors two and three, which I have not gotten to yet ) anyway have a nice one SweViver!
Thank you very much man! :) Oh, damn I totally forgot to make that video! I will try to have it done this week, but I cant promise yet...
Hmm thats strange. Make sure to go into European-tab on their website if you have the EU version, as there seems to be different versions for EU/US. Im using the latest Vive software for both Vive and Rift and it works fine. The last step on startup will never work for Rift, when using the Vive software. Thats because its looking for some Vive-features, but the Rift image and everything works great anyway. The TPCAST software will retry and retry in a endless loop, but meanwhile you can play for hours :) Thats why its possible to use the Vive software with Rift TPCAST. Its not 100% perfect, but it works 100% at least :)
First, congratulations on your effort to produce this great material. Second, I'd like to know if you suffer with blurry texts in the cockpit. While I'm flying with my oculus rift, It's almost impossible to read any instrument. Thank you!
Hi great vid. You said you have to use Steam VR for VR to work on X Plane 11, but that is not the case with Oculus (it runs without, actually I got slightly better frames without, although I didn't install the one you suggested). Is it still best to use Steam VR as you described or go without for Oculus?
SweViver, I was going to get the Pimax, but went with Samsung for now. Glad I did, my 8700k and 1080ti struggle to get 90 FPS in DCS. Most often it sits at 45 when low to the ground. I don’t see how a VR headset with twice the resolution of the Samsung will perform any better until the next generation GTX Ti top line card is out. When I set my super sampling at 2 or 2.5 it looks amazingly sharp and clear at cost to FPS however. Racing and flight sims will be amazing when 90 FPS and graphics on par with a good monitor are achieved.
Hey mate! I see your point, and congratulations on your new Odyssey headset, I sure you will have loads of fun with it! :)
I actually have the Odyssey as well since a few days ago, but I have not even unboxed it yet...
Having that said, I think you should know thath PImax 8K is using the same input resolution for games as the Odyssey does. Its not a native 4K image being rendered. The image is being internally upscaled by a chip in the headset, from 1440p to 4K, so in terms of performance, there should be no difference (or at least almost none difference) at all :)
If I have an i5 7600k, do I turn off both 0 and 1 core? Not going through steam and using a Samsung Odyssey +. OR do I just turn off the 0 core? Thanks.
Superb work on this Martin thank you for sharing this with us :)
Thanks Peter , Im so happy to hear that from you! :) Enjoy your weekend now!
Hi thanks for this tutorial mate it’s awesome :) just a quick question. What do you think about turn Hyper Threading off ? I heard that it would increase performance in XP11. Thx
Thanks mate, Im happy you liked it! Oh you mean Hyper Threading on the CPU in BIOS? Yeah I have heard the same actually, but I have not tried it. Could be worth to check out soon! Let me know if you give it a go. I have 2 nights to work night shifts now so I cant play until Wednesday again ;) Cheers
SweViver thanks for your answer. I didn’t tried it yet but maybe I’ll give it a go this weekend and let you know or did you already tested it ? :)
Hey there! Just wondering if you have any opinions on whether some of the VR issues have been improved since the native VR support release of X-Plane 11? Does the newest release support multiple CPUs now?
Amazing video. You’re a bloody genius. Thank you so much for your work.
Thanks, was long but values. I doubled my framerate from about 25 to more 60-70 without having yet install 3jFPs on a 960m laptoo
I will be able to fly a Dynon more heavily simulated glass cockpit with more objects and pleasure
Happy New Year
Thanks a lot for making this tutorial! Most of the things you've mentioned are - at least for me - not new, but you made the effort to summarize and put all these things together. Thank you! One thing I would like to know, regardless of all these tweaks: How much difference are the fps from X-Plane with FlyInside plugin to X-Plane with native VR? Has native VR really better fps from ground up? I do not use the latest beta with native VR yet. I'm still on v11.11 with FlyInside, so I cannot compare. Thanks a lot in advance!
Thanks mate :) Yeah most of the stuff in this tutorial are no news for many people, but I hope some people will find it useful :)
Actually, I never tried FlyInside with X Plane 11 to be honest :) I actually thing FlyInside has some better performance from what I could read in forums, but the big thing with this native VR support is the ability to use the VR controllers :) You should really give the beta a try, flying with "hands" is adding a lot to the immersion! Cheers
Hi! Thanks for your reply. I'm very curious about native VR support. I will wait until beta is over and it's officially released. I can bearly believe that a plugin (FlyInside) is more FPS-friendly than native support. We will see.
I did a few more tests the last few days (with XP11 and FlyInside). With FlyInside you can choose between different resolutions which will be displayed in the Oculus Rift. I set it to the highest resolution (approximately 3800 pixels wide) and set Super Sampling in Oculus Tray Tool to "0". I was very surprised about the result because this gave me about 10 to 15 (!) fps more with the same rendering settings in the same scenery. I the beginning as I started to use X-Plane with Oculus Rift I tweaked FlyInside settings to go beyond its maximum resolution (simply by editing the .ini file) to about 4100 pixels (wide). As we can see, in this case tweaking makes things worse. Although there is a difference of only about 200 pixels, going back to FlyInsides stock settings is the best decision I could do. So every system and installation is very individual and "sensible". ;-)
Oh, and I forgot to mention that switching off "draw shadows on scenery" is not an option for me. I do VFR and low altitude flights most of the time (primarily helicopters) and switching off shadows makes it not real. It makes it really bad and unnatural. Loosing fps to get it more natural with shadows is absolutely worth it in my opinion.
Oh I see, very interesting, thanks for the info! Yeah, tweaking is not always helping out hehe. Im sure the performance will improve a lot in the native VR version soon with more updates. The devs seems to work very hard to improve it as they have realized how much VR improves this simulator in terms of immersion. Lets hope we can finally get those 90fps in the final version :)
Hi! One more thing I would like to mention regarding fps tweaking: There is even more you can do. You can edit the settings.ini file in X-Planes preferences folder as well. Please have a look at this: ruclips.net/video/eLaDemEsSPk/видео.html The video is in german, but I think you'll understand what's the point. In the discription there is a download link as well containing different settings file types. I haven tried them yet. I am currently quite happy with my (VR) setup.
Great video. Subbed! Do you recommend to use a secondary GPU for the physics calculations in x-plane?
Thanks a lot mate :) Nopes, I only use one GTX 1080 Ti. The performance has improved a lot with new updates since I made this video, so its running MUCH better now! :) Hope you will enjoy!
Hi SweViver, congrats for the video. I am receiving my Rift later this week, moving from Triples to VR. Do I still need to squeeze extra performance with your inputs or is it no longer needed since the latest updates do Xplane ?
Hi there! So, after a few months after our little conversation in the comments section of this video I am back. Meanwhile a few things have changed. I have a new rig (i7 7700k@4.4 GHz and GTX 1080) and native VR support has been officially released, currently with version 11.20r4. In the past I had similar tweaks as you explain in your video here, but now the things are different.
To keep things short: Regarding fps in VR less tweaking is more efficient.
First of all you need a good CPU, of course. Your 8700k has more cores, but I suppose that the 7700 has better single-core performance, which is important for flight sims (as long as there is no Vulcan support). But you are right, you have to learn to set up your BIOS and make the right settings there. Of course SteamVR is not needed anymore as well. If anybody has installed it only for X-Plane, you can uninstall it now when using Oculus Rift.
I use X-Plane for helicopter and low altitude flights most of the time, which is much more demanding on performance than IFR flights or flights in high altitudes. My new finding is, that high fps (in your case you are talking about approximately 45 fps) is not necessary for fluid gameplay in VR.
I did the following:
First of all you should test in a crowded area with high object/building density. In my case I did my tests in the region of the city of Munich, Germany, starting at EDNX, heading southeast over and around Munich. I use default autogen with custom scenery "Enriched Autogen", no other w2xp sceneries, no orthophotos or stuff like that. And I use the great HD v4 mesh of AlpilotX.
In X-Plane graphic settings I've set "number of objects" to maximum (highest setting), "draw shadows on scenery" to "on" (yes! This is very important when flying low or VFR, otherwise the entire scenery would look "flat"), the upper left slider I've set one notch down to "HDR", textures are as well one notch down on "high", antialiasing is set to "off" (= "none"), reflections are set to minimum (the very lowest setting), parked aircrafts are off because I use World Traffic v3. Regarding antialiasing I let Nvidia Control Panel do the job and set it to "FXAA = on".
I use Oculus Debug Tool to set the scaling to 1.3, which is - in combination with Nvidias FXAA - absolutely enough for me to read the gauges etc. And I use Oculus Debug Tool to set the ASW reprojection to "off" (= "disabled"). This is the most important thing to get fluid graphics in X-Plane, independent of computing power. You can use Oculus Debug Tool on the fly while X-Plane is running. Every setting/change you make has an immediate effect.
Then I rejected some things. I removed Process Lasso (I have the Pro version as well). I was glad to see that this had no negative effect regarding VR performance. Thus Process Lasso is not needed anymore. After that I removed (not disabled) the latest version of 3jFPS wizard. And this did the trick! Obviously native X-Plane (I'm talking about v11.20r4) has some built-in "on-the-fly" optimizations under the hood regarding fps in VR. With 3jFPS wizard enabled (and I played around with it a very long time to find a good setting for me) the fps jumped around, far objects (esp. high buildings) in the distance were not visible, no or only a few cars on the roads etc. In short: It made things and visual appearance worse. Obviously there is even more computing power needed for this LUA script to keep or reach the desired fps. Or 3jFPS wizard is fighting against X-Planes built-in optimizations when calculating each frame. So I recommend to get rid of it if you have a powerful CPU and GPU. It might be helpful on lower end machines.
In summary: Without 3jFPS wizard and with Oculus ASW disabled I get stable 23 fps (sometimes it drops to 22 fps, but recovers to 23 fps) in areas with high object density - and it is enough! It is really enough! Give it a try! It is fluid and smooth, and big cities look amazing with "number of objects" set to maximum! In areas with less object density fps are higher of course. I think 3jFPS wizard is more (and only) helpful on older machines with less computing power.
It is highly recommended for everyone to tweak less and give native X-Plane a try!
@SweViver great video...maybe you could help me....i have Oculus Rift, GeForce Titan Black and xPlane 11 with actual software...
my Oculus works perfect on ther AAA Games (Skyrim etc) but in Xplane i can click the VR option enable...did you have an idea or troubleshooting ideas?
Hi, Sweviver, please what settings do you recommend? I have an i9 9900k overclocked to 5.1GHz on an ROG Maximus XI Extreme MB, an RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 with little overclock, and 32GB 3200MHz GSkill on XMP profile. My VR headset is a Samsung HMD Odyssey WMR Headset.
I also thank you for putting this together. Tomorrow my Oculus Rift arrives! I do have a question though--- and perhaps I can only get my answer by trial and error---but i have an i5. Do you still recommend dedicating 2 cores to X-Plane leaving 2 for VR?
Thanks Gary, Im happy to hear you liked it! :) Wow congrats, I really hope you will enjoy X Plane 11 and your Rift, I promise you this will be an amazing journey for you in VR!
Yes, using the Lasso software core dedication will fix the tracking issues with Rift, so I can really recommend you to do so! An Intel i5 is well enough I think, as the simulator only uses single core performance. You could try overclocking it a bit also! Cheers and welcome to the world of VR! :)
Thank you for your reply! Well, having now set it up and flown in the Rift, all I can say is UNBELIEVABLE. No, its not perfect, and a little grainy, but what an experience. How do you explain it to people? It is amazing NOW, but as it improves, I think this is revolutionary.
Yep, it indeed is amazing. Thing is, its very difficult to explain this to people that never tried VR. I think Virtual Reality is something everyone needs to try before they understand the power of it :) Im happy you are enjoying your Rift. Indeed its wfar from perfect but this is just the beginning of the VR revolution! Have fun now and thank you too for the reply :)
Excellent video. What scenery are you using for New York?
Thanks Greg! :) Im using the New York City XP:
store.x-plane.org/New-York-City-XP-_p_431.html
And:
store.x-plane.org/New-York-Airports-XP_p_355.html
I prefer it with the building density at medium without using that plugin, except for the haze tweak
Thats true mate. Of course it kind of depends how you are flying. If you only want to ply low altitude around cities like I did here to demonstrate the beauty of this simulator and to show the FPS difference, of course its going to be better with max buildings and objects, but as you point out, its quite unnecessary if you fly on higher altitudes and the buildings gets cut away by the low LOD anyway :) Most of the time I set world objects to High which is more than enough for regular flight sessions.
Thank you. This video helped me optimize graphical settings and get desired frame rate. I did run into one issue with your instructions on project lasso. I did not see any vrcompsitor file so I could not disable the cores in the second step you described. Since that was the case I had to totally shelve using this software. I had the game running and searched for this file in both active and recent processes with no luck (steam VF/oculus). Not sure why that is. Maybe it’s different file name in newer versions of game? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again for producing this excellent video!
Do you absolutely need to have Xplane 11 steam version to be able tu run Xplane in VR?
Is there anyway to do this on the quest? I’m planning to fly the a320 on it and I was wondering how would it look? Will everything be clear and can I apply those settings on the quest? Do u think it will be helpful for flight training purposes?
Outstanding thanks so much for putting this together.
Thanks Paul :) Its one of those videos I really care to do for you all XP11 VR fans, and it doesn't matter how much time it takes to complete. You need to know those tweaks! I cant say enough how much I love this simulator :)
Thank you for making this video and sharing knowledge!
What is the point of setting buildings to max to then have a plug in that hides them?
Just turn amount of buildings down and you would get the same fps increase no?
You can get a similar effect by using the X plane settings plugin and switching off HDR for huge fps boost but lowered LOD.
Good vid though.
You have a point here Dan! It kind of depends how you are flying. If you only want to ply low altitude around cities like I did here to demonstrate the FPS difference, of course its going to be more good looking with max buildings and objects, but as you point out, its quite unnecessary if you fly on higher altitudes and the buildings gets cut away by the low LOD anyway :) Most of the time I set world objects to High which is more than enough for regular flight sessions.
Hmm, I have actually totally missed the Advanced settings plugin, I will definitely give it a try, sounds very interesting! :) Thank you very much for your input and hints!
I was getting frustrated stuck at 25fps with low graphic settings with my rift s, i59600k (overclocked to just below 5ghz) and my Nvidia rtx2070. Some of the steps in this video helped but the biggest eureka moment was turning off virtual mouse in Xplane settings which I don’t need on vr planes. FPS pretty much doubled and even turning up graphics and supersampling didn’t affect FPS too much. Not sure why virtual mouse hits FPS so much but I’m running about 45fps vr now and that’s smooth enough for me!!
Thanks its real great tutorial and it has help me to invrease the performance. Thanks
Im happy to hear that and that you enjoyed it Wolfgang, thanks a lot for watching! :)
I've been interested in these smoother plugins but I just got results I'm very happy with on the vive with an amd rx580 by changing the graphics settings in the radeon control center for x-plane to texture filter : performance basic default everything else, and changing the in game anistrophic filtering to 16x looked really good and gave like 0 fps drop. I'm getting a smooth 45 at least, it's probably like a smooth 60, not 90 though. I don't look at fps, I give the hand wave test, just wave your controller in front of your face quickly, if it looks like a natural blur that's 90, if it changes consistency it's not a steady frame rate. Probably only works with amazing lighthouse tracking but it works well. Unfortunately nothing works better than setting the render resolution to 70% in the vive settings for xplane... works though
Awesome video bro! I'm Running a 5820k at 4.4 and 1080ti. I do have a dead ram slot, so I'm only running 12gb of ram. I have a new one on the way.
This was when X-Plane's VR was still in beta. Are these tweaks still applicable now that vr has been optimized somewhat in the release version?
Thanks alot Buddy :-) Runs now like a rocket
What you recommand for the pimax 5k+ I just overclock my 9900k to ~ 5ghz per core but I search the best resolution for my cpu and my rtx 2080 16 go de ddr 2666
Great tutorial - thanks. I’m hearing on forums that the sim now operates better without the Fly with Lua add on in V6 of the beta. Would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks mate :) Yes indeed, the latest updates has really improved the performance, especially using Rift as ASW now works great! I have not tried it much yet, but I will for sure update soon with another video :) Cheers and enjoy your weekend!
Superb tutorial - Thank you so much
Not sure if this is still relevant in 2021, but I only got my Oculus Quest 2 a few days ago, and trying to follow these instructions (bottom low end PC here). Anyway, I got to the point of setting up the 3jFPS plugin, I downloaded the two files necessary and put them into the Scripts and Modules folders as instructed, but the plugin doesn't show in my Flywithlua plugin Macros menu. Should I continue to look for a solution, or is this script completely out of date for the current version of xplane? Please help, TIA.
Thanks for taking the time to show us these tips m8!
Cheers mate :) Its one of those videos you spent most time on, and still get the lowest views haha. But its worth it, this simulator deserves the time spent - its a blast! :)
As long as you enjoyed it... that's all that matters! - I played a game today, hated it, scrapped my footage and played and recorded something else instead. ;)
Happens at least 1 or 2 times for me every week. Maybe I just have too much of expectations with some VR games... ;)
Thanks for the turorial! but for some reason the 3j plugin only gives me 2 fps any suggestions? I also have a 1080 ti and a 6700 i7
Great tutorial, thanks for putting this together.
Nice tutorial... thanks for all the research and the effort you put into making this.
It just sucks that you have to add so much additional software and work so hard just to get it to a point where it's playable.
Thanks for the video. In your opinion, do you think i can have a stable 45 fps by using all the software like you said, but without overclocking? (Little bit scared to overclock)
Pc specs:
i5 7600
Gtx 1080
16 gb ram
Thanks for your time!
Absolutely. the i5 7600 is a powerful enough CPU for sure (i7 is not needed at all as its single core performance that counts and the 7600 is good enough), as long as you add all the other tweaks and plugins :) Thanks for watching mate, Im glad you enjoyed!
I stopped using X-Plane 11 because it kept crashing on me in VR. I wonder if you could tell me whether it could be my CPU that's dragging me down. I have a Intel i5 6600 (overclocked 23%), Asus Maximus VIII Gene motherboard. Is that my issue? Do I need a a better CPU?
Thanks for this video. I have Xplane 11 and is not fun, so slow is the Xplane.Until now. I dont know the App „OpenVR Advanced Settings“
, now I know that. Nice video and info
Thank you4 ur amazing video....learning a lot from you
Is ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1060 6gb enough? At lowest settings?
Awesome! Thanks SweViver!
Cheers mate and enjoy! :)
Do theses setting still hold true today on the oculus quest 2?
What was your avg FPS BEFORE any of those changes, included the overclock, lasso and nvidia tweaks?
Around 28-32fps in average... it was really bad to be honest!
Any advice on the best pedals to use for the helicopters in x Plane 11, I have the Samsung VR headset
I have no idea to be honest, Im still considering to buy some rudder pedals. I just heard the new Thrustmaster rudder pedals are good and for a reasonable price! www.ebay.com/itm/Thrustmaster-2960764-Tfrp-T-flight-Rudder-Pedals-/391815162475
I am lost with the STEAM VR settings. I downloaded everything, but cant see where you get to this menu. When I open steam vr it puts me in a living room, and there are no settings buttons at all.
Also, How do I add X-plane 11 to Steam? You say it needs Steam VR to run.. but, I have been running the Beta without using Steam VR at all. This does not show up on the Steam list of games I have installed, because it was installed as a stand alone etc. So, will the advanced settings do anything?
About XP11, you need to opt into the beta, and then start the game WITHOUT SteamVR on. Start the game, go into Settings and VR Settings. Click the "Enable VR mode" and XP11 will start SteamVR and show up in your headset. Unfortunately SteamVR needs to be closed when starting up XP11 every time :)
What hardware monitor are you using with the large gauges?
Do you think there would be any problem with running the Dell VR118 Headset for the visual experience only, without the controllers, just using a standard mouse and yoke/hotas?
Im sure it will work very nice, XP11 has already built in Windows Mixed Reality headset support - and you will get better resolution as well :) I will try it soon on my Samsung Odyssey! Cheers
Cool, thanks
Thanks m8, I'm of the opinion that if you have a 1080ti and an i7 8700k yet still have to make a 40 minute video about how to get it working properly, it's not a game I will be buying yet.
I realise of course as an old school gamer that tweaking is a requirement for a sub standard rig or a pc below the games minimum requirements. However when you have this hardware and still have to mess about, at that point it's down to their lack of optimisation and I'm not paying good money for that :)
Thanks for your input mate! Yeah, I fully agree. This sim needs a lot of optimization to be made by the developers. Its quite unacceptable in this current state. But have in mind its just a first VR Preview/Beta yet, so Im sure it will improve over time! :) Cheers
will I be able to read the info in cockpit ,gauges ,etc? x-plane 11 ,my pc has 8086k 5.2 Ghz, 32 GB ram , 2x2080 Ti , 2 tera Samsung Nvme 970 ,I purchased the 8k yesterday, march 2 ,2019 ,it will take some time for Pimax to ship the item ,please SweViver what should I do? the VR is mainly for x-plane 11
How exactly do you interface VIVE with XPLANE 11 via Steam? Do you use a 3rd party software or run it in a 'theater' mode?? When I run xplane 11 in Vive I basically see a monitor mode in front of me. I also noticed in the xplane graphics, I don't see a VR option at bottom of screen??
Hey mate! You need to change to Beta in Steam. Right click on X Plane 11 in your Steam library, properties and pick the beta tab. Chose the latest available beta and wait for steam to download the files. Then start the game WITHOUT having SteamVR on. Go into game, enable VR mode and it will start up SteamVR automatically and now it works :) Enjoy!
hello, Does your tutorial running also for WMR Headset ?
Hello. I got Oculus and it works fiine with Steam Vr and the Oculus Software. But in X-Plane i can't switch "enable VR Hardware" in the VR Hardware section (its grey) bit alle Sensors and the Rift are green and in all other Games it works.
Did you have an Idea?
Thanks. The process lasso part is unneeded. Since X-plane for Oculus is running without steam, there is no Vrcompositor.exe process running. And in my opinion messing with processes and their priorities is a bad idea in general. People who created these games and programs and hardware were smart enough to know how to prioritize. For the clouds part, they do work and look nice, I will post them on my channel. Enviro 1.06 works and looks fine too, currently testing Enviro 1.08 and doing work for developers as well. Same thing for the fog, limiting it vis is just unrealistic and doesn't look good. Minimizing XP mirror down to tray will make your mouse not work in xp. One more advise: assign a button for re-centering view on your joy and assign a button for hiding/showing mouse pointer while in HMD, you can switch it off and have better looks performance using it with real joystick, rudder pedals and throttle. For the lua scripts, go to my channel and soon I will post it there.
Hey SweViver when in VR how do you record in Full screen? Or are you cropping the footage afterward. Im using OBS and can only seem to record with the Black on the sides. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for the Video.
Hey mate! Use the free OpenVR Input Plugin for OBS Studio. It will import the VR mirror view from SteamVR and u can crop it in many ways in the plugin.
If u dont use SteamVR, and only run on Oculus Rift, u can use the Oculus Mirror view to get a 16:9 aspect ratio image from your VR view. Cheers :)
Is this video still valid, after being 1.2 years old, with current X-Plane 11.32?
Top class video, thanks so much.
Thanks mate :)
Thank you thank you thank you! You Da Man!
SweViver help me mine is gaming asus laptop i've put the fan speed to 60% but the fan 3333 rpm but in the zotac showing that its 0?! how can i fix that? please help!
Thank you very much. Great
Great set of optimisations.. unfortunately I am screwed on one of them. CPU overclock. Last year I broke with my intel-only policy and built my first ever AMD system. Ryzen 7 clocked at 3.84ghz (it's not stable above this). Reason for going Ryzen was for 3d rendering and I got tired of Intel rising prices and temperatures because of their thermal paste on IHS. Now I have a Ryzen for 3d rendering I don't need a Ryzen for 3d rendering... 3d rendering has advanced to GPU based rendering via Octane and Blender Cycles. I am someone who likes to overclock. I used to chill my old Pentium 4 below zero with liquid and TEC. My previous i5 2500k was clocked at 4.8ghz. Now I'm stuck at 3.84ghz and my 4000mhz ram is stuck at 3466mhz on Ryzen.
Yesterday I came within 2mm of buying an 8700k CPU and ditching the Ryzen. I like to run flight sims and currently DCS and other flight sims are held back by ancient single core code. I'm running HTC Vive so I need those high clock speeds! I discussed this on DCS World forum yesterday and the feedback was that Ryzen is fine but the flight sim needs to change to make use of multi-threading and also that moving to an 8700k still wouldn't be enough to run DCS World at 90 fps with some aircraft (any aircraft with vintage analog dials like the Mig 21).
I don't want to give up on Ryzen and go running back to intel but I think that when Ryzen+ launches it won't bring much of a clock boost (4.3ghz is the rumour).
Thanks Raphael, Im glad you found it useful :)
Yeah its a shame that Ryzen doesnt allow overclocking!
I can tell you that you wont get SO much increase in performance going for a 8700K to be honest. I went from a 4790K at 4,6-4.7 to 8700K at 4.9 but the improvement in terms of fps was minimal. I think we need to wait for multi threaded optimizations in those simulators until we really can use the full potential of our CPUs, whenever we have AMD or Intel...
Lets hope the upcoming Vulcan API implementation in XP11 will fix this! Thanks for sharing your thoughts btw :) Cheers
I think you're right. I've been told that even an 8700K + 1080Ti won't stop the FPS from dropping to 45 or less in DCS world in some scenarios. Ancient code. 2.5 is a bit better and Vulkan is supposed to be coming to DCS also. Did you know Doom VFR was Vulkan? I've been checking and apparently there are a few VR games running under Vulkan now.
Yeah its sad but true...
Hmm I look forward to try DCS soon again, especially when I get my Odyssey and Pimax 8K :)
Yep, Doom VFR is built upon Vulkan API, but I was actually hoping it would utilize the CPU better than it does. Probably the GPU is bottlenecking here :)
Perhaps they went with Vulkan for Doom VFR because the game code was badly optimised? It's just a random theory. I purchased on release and got a refund because of the teleport and bugs. DCS or X-plane with Pimax and motion platform.
That could indeed be the reason! I can admit though that DOOM VFR runs much better now after all updates, and free loco works great! Tried it just 3 days ago and was really surprised how good its now compared when it was launched..
Oh yes, that sounds like a dream man haha! :)
I dunno how much time I spent on this one heh... but I hope you will enjoy and find this tutorial helpful :) Let me know your performance improvements and best tips!
Here are my specs btw:
Intel i7 8700K OC @4.9Ghz
MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming OC @2Ghz
32GB DDR4 RAM 4000Mhz (3600@CL16)
Samsung EVO 960 m.2 SSD
1000W EVGA G2 Supernova
Windows 10 64bit (Fall Creators Update NOT installed)
SweViver, This is the X-Plane performance tutorial we all needed. Thanks man. Big virtual high five!
Curious why you haven't installed the Fall creators update? After the initial bogginess, the latest updates to it have made it fly..pun originally not intended, but now intended ;)
Damn! , those are some smooth simming right there.
Yeah and the performance of XP11 VR has improved a LOT with new updates (long after I made this video) so now its really butters mooth on the Oculus with ASW reprojection even without a lot of these tweaks! :)
For the controller vive the button 0 is grab, 1 is menu, 2 is track pad and 3 trigger. How do you assign this?
Thanks so much! You won’t believe this, but I have 45 fps on a Intel i5 with NVIDIA MX150!
That's amazing lol
Thank yuou very much for your very helpful guide (immediately subscribed on your channel) Now i've got 35-40 fps in vr but i'm still getting a lot of stutters! Can you hel me plese?
Great Video! Sadly it didnt work for me... I guess my CPU is just too old. It is from 2012.
Is this any better? I just purchased XP11 and assume they have worked out the bugs for VR? I am looking at purchasing an HTC Vive and want to make sure XP11 will run okay in VR. Any input appreciated.
Awesome! Its getting better all the time. Here's my last XP11 video with Pimax: ruclips.net/video/EtXgfSKGvR8/видео.html
Why add another plugin (Advanced OpenVR Setting) when you can just supersample with Tray Tool?
Hello there, this is Rodrigo from Chile, Im student pilot, I just got my new oculus rift, I have a brand new computer running with Intel i5 9th gen 4,1 Ghz, msi Geforce GTX 1650, 16 Gb Ram, usb 3.1, and pretty much everything to do it, but I have been trying following your tutorial to get it done, but there is so many things I can not resolve, actually I can fly with my oculus and Xplain 11 but with some dificulties, by any chance do you have time to help me on line =)((==?? Best regards.
changing visibility to below 15 miles makes a huge difference too
Yep, thats true! I think actually thats one of the things the j3FPS is doing in real time, adjusting the visibility.
forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/35733-xp-11-advanced-settings/ this helped as well, getting rid of hot air balloons and animals, clear weather, and turning off all AI aircraft inside x plane.
Wow I have totally missed this plugin, thank you sooo much for this, I really appreciate it! :)
Wish they'd support SLI, would love to use both these 2080 ti's.
this tutorial works for non VR users?
Most of the optimizations yes :)
@@SweViver thank you very much.
Does this apply given the 10 months if development?
It seems ridiculous that you have to do all of this.