Learn a Language: Through Listening or Speaking?
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Is listening key to language learning? Yes. But speaking is also important. Listen and then tell me what you think.
Timelines:
0:13 Do we speak or listen our way to fluency?
0:51 My car is a personal university lecture hall.
1:25 Availability of language sources today.
1:56 How can we encourage kids to read more?
2:34 Implementing Input based approach in schools.
3:37 Reading and listening is not my only goal.
4:28 How can RUclips boost your speaking skills?
5:18 What if you are in the country where the language is spoken?
7:01 Listening technology must be exploited more.
7:52 Should we push people to speak?
8:38 It’s not either listen or speak, it’s both.
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Who said listen for years? The more I listen before you speaking the easier I find it to pronounce correctly. I agree with Krashen that very little output is needed, but once you are ready to speak you need to speak a lot. To each his own but I don't like engaging in meaningless conversations when I have no words and cannot understand.
Dr. Stephen Krashen said, "We acquire language in one way and only one way, by understanding messages." Language acquisition is more about listening and reading comprehension than it is about output. Output serves to activate what you already know about the language (vocabulary, grammatical structures, phrases, etc.). I think it's true that we listen and read our native languages more than we speak and type/write them. Maybe there is data out there about the number of words that people listen to and read on a daily basis contrasted with the number of words an average person speaks in their native language.
But in my view, first you have to listen and listen a lot. Then you have some words, and then you can understand. Otherwise it is rather unsatisfying to speak.
Of course Mr Steve, you're right!
8 years later and still amazing, 2010 what was I doing back then? just wow!
I believe you are right. That is why I prefer to build up my familiarity with the language first, through massive listening and reading, before I start speaking.
I don't have much opportunity to speak with other people, so what I do? Speak to myself! lol not the best solution but it's what I have for now, hahaha
I know this is a year old but there are language exchange websites and apps where you can chat with people in the language your learning and vice versa.
Its surprisingly effective though, especially when you are already decent to solidify whay you know.
This is a general problem everywhere in the world. Then all you need to do is finding that language's people on internet. And try to talk to them i guess :)
I speak to my dogssss
You are correct - I learned English first by listening other people, radio, watching TV and reading books, newspapers and magazines. Slowly started using it automatically... did not have to study vocabulary or write any notes... Completely different where I learned German at school, which was completely waste of 9 years! Also when in NYC, I picked up Spanish language just by being around Spanish speaking people. Now, I am starting my journey with Mandarin Chinese and Cantonese... (my native language is Czech...) and I listen a lot and read a lot and the words are starting to crawl deep into my mind...
I believe that the fear of being wrong is the main barrier in learning a new language. This is one of the reasons why children learn languages and operating computers so easily, they are never afraid of the consequences of making mistakes.
that is true! I learnt English using the same method and it really worked..and now, I'm in my second month of learning French by using the same technique, and I have learnt a lot..The thing is that we can't speak what we don't know, then the solution is listening, learn vocabulary then you start speaking..Grammar should come later on.
I agree and I have NO interest in forcing myself to have fumbling "conversation" consisting of My name is..., I am from... etc. I like waiting until I can have a genuine conversation on something interesting.
In the context of language learning a lot of "speaking" that is prescribed is actually just a form of listening. Think about it, when you listen to a CD and then repeat the phrase, is that speaking? Only in the trivial sense that you're producing sound. But actually you are listening to what sounds you produce and actively comparing with what you just heard on the tape.
I must say, cuz i was inititally influenced by Benny Lewis, I didn't like your ideas. It seemed too academic and slow. However, in trying to apply Bennys ideas of speak quickly, with Japanese, I've learned it is damn hard to jump into speaking it quickly, with little input. For me, your approach of building up a lot of input, works much better for Japanese, for me. It's smoother.
I've now come more to your side of the fence.
benny is a fraud
@@cj5273 really ? why bc i'm about to buy one of his book for Portuguese and Spanish
I love the MT method and apparently my German and Spanish accents are great.
(reply to other post) Reading out loud is one of the best things you can do. You're killing two birds with one stone; learning how to speak and learning how to read. Reading out loud also helps you focus on sentence structure. This is why English professors say to "read the paper out loud before turning it in" - helps you focus in on missing words, etc. You can check your pronunciation by listening to the audio book.
I thought every language learner reads out loud? Surely
Great video. The phone call part made my day. =P I haven't confirmed it yet, but my ASL teacher told me that pre-lingual deaf people on average read and write on a 2-3 grade level. This leads me to believe that the more one listens to a language (foreign or other), the better he'd be able to read in that language. And perhaps the more academic and sophisticated the content that one listens to is, the better he'd be at tackling advanced literature. I have seen studies suggesting that the
Good afternoon Steve,
This is Chenelle from Ohio.
I am one of those people that speaks and listens intently. Because I’m visually impaired and that is the method in which I learn the best along with using braille. I’m now learning Brazilian Portuguese, Italian in dutch speaking and listening or even go as far as the e-books in the language then I want and have VoiceOver on my iPhone read it to me in the language that I am learning. It helps a lot. I’m also go on on the Internet as well and use RUclips it’s my best friend. Along with SBS radio NHK world radio tune in radio in Spotify in order to learn my language is effectively. I love this podcast is great.
@Kouziren I understand everything I hear on Echo Moskvi, and when reading Tolstoi or listening to audio books, except for words that I do not know. The same is true in conversations.
Thanks for your videos. I love them!
I agree completely with your method, I think its so more satisfying being able to understand natives and speaking later. its so stressful to speak to someone and not understand what they say back.
This is one of the reasons why I prefer talking to Chinese teachers (currently learning Chinese) than to just normal Chinese people. Cos the experience teachers can assess my level and adjust to my level instead of going on and on assuming that I understand everything that they said
Definitely through listening. I learned English and French without rarely speaking them for most of my life. I'm barely speaking Italian, the language I am currently learning, and I have achieved a rather advanced level.
how you listen do you take a transcript and translate words and memorze them
I laughed about the unexpected phone call 🤣🤣 You are a legend Steve 🤣
Listening to content, in which you understand most of, is the most important thing in my opinion.
I also make videos in foreign languages and it does wonders for me!!
I have an input based method of learning, but I love to speak as early as I can even if I know only words and phrases.
HaHa! at the phone call!!
great idear Mr.Steve many thanks.
I like how Steve took the call. Baller!
O que você falou é verdade. Eu sou Brasileiro, e minha língua principal é Português. Mesmo assim, eu aprendi Inglês sem quase nunca ter aberto um livro didático se quer. E hoje eu falo fluentemente mesmo sem morar nos Estados Unido (apesar de também morar mais no Brasil atualmente). Isso foi realmente mágico, e prova a sua tese de que não é necessário estudar com livros didáticos (todo o tempo), mas se imergir na língua alvo (jogos, música, livros, vídeos e até trocar a língua do seu dispositivo para o Inglês). Mas por algum motivo, pra mim não funciona tanto com Japonês...
Call back later mark!
Thanks for your videos.
@LearningFrenchNow Yes I always subvocalize. If I have heard the text I get a little momentum , and I am already familiar with the subject. If I have only a few unknown words (highlighted in blue in LingQ) I can just skip forward to them.
GREAT! MANY THANKS. VERY USEFUL.
Bonjour Steve!
Vos vidéos sont tout simplement formidables! Je prends beaucoup de plaisir à écouter vos conseils... et à me les appliquer! Merci pour le temps consacré.
C'est superbe ce que vous faîtes!
I love your content, I'm trying to learn english and your video help me a lot
great video! I notice some people are able to express themselves quite well in a foreign language, but their ability to understand is at a much lower level. It seems like they have read a lot and know the words to use, but they don't know how they sound in speech. I am also in agreement with listening > talking. But, and this is a big but, you should also try to talk as much as possible. Whenever I read something in Spanish, I always read it aloud.
Great video! I couldn't agree more.
Hey Steve! I have been learning Russian (as a second language) for a bit over a year. I have regular messaging interaction with native speakers. I have noticed an unusual incongruity in some of my skills.
Strengths: When I send audio messages for feedback, I am told I have excellent pronunciation, I'm fairly comfortable with writing, and I'm relatively happy with my vocabulary. Furthermore, when I listen, I notice that I am very attentive to the sounds and can recognize words.
Weaknesses: However, when speaking, I am still very very slow with word retrieval, to the point where I can barely remember the simplest conversational words. Also, when listening, I can't assign meaning to recognized words fast enough to keep up - even common words I expect myself to be comfortable with.
For example, I can parrot back to a native speaker at a good speed with accurate pronunciation, but still don't understand most of what I am saying. In my experience, this is a problem I don't hear of often. In fact, I thought the opposite was more common. All the time I talk with Russians learning English who may have thick accents, but are perfectly capable of speaking without large pauses between words like I do when I speak Russian.
I am not necessarily discouraged by this, as I still thoroughly enjoy all of my interactions, and I know Russian is considered a TOUGH second language to native English speakers. I am just curious about anyone's thoughts or advice for this pattern of progression in language skills. Are there exercises I can use to leverage my stronger skills that I've mentioned for improving my weaker ones?
Thanks for any responses!
Sounds normal. Don't forget those Russians have had a lot more exposure to English than you to Russian. Just keep going.
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Понятно, большое спасибо за ответ!!
Merci pour ses gentilles commentaires!
It has to go hand in hand I guess. But I often find it unmotivating to listen for years and studying without saying a word.
Even risking that you may pronounce wrongly, the brain mouth-muscle connection has to be established right from the beginning. Its like actively learning and then you will be less afraid of listening to your own voice, pronouncing words in a strange accent. That will make you start talking, which is the key to learning actively I guess. I love your website for improving.
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It has a lot to do with how you speak in your primary language. I use a large vocabulary and complex phrases when I speak. Hence, I also need more time to read and listen to a foreign language before I begin speaking a lot, than many others do.
FichDichInDemArsch And what does that prove - that I should have learned all the seven languages I can speak before the age of five?
Or not bother to learn them - what good would that do?
And by the way - the grammar and the spelling in your nickname is wrong. It shoulc be fick dich in den Arsch. Why don't you do that?
@YouStoleMyTube I think it is better to sub-vocalize because it will enable you to read faster, and therefore to cover more material. you need to read a lot, to get a lot of exposure to the language, IMO.
@daglug1 Yes this in on our list. We will probably add text to speech to the Flash Cards or something.
You speak your way to fluency in the sense that your mouth needs to go through many different combinations of sounds to make it automatic when you speak. To me, speaking is true confirmation of how much of a handle you have on a language.
So our Japanese teacher tries to explain grammar patterns in Japanese. Sometimes we understand; sometimes we don't, but it helps us speak and explain Japanese problems to other Japanese so that we can move on! I have heard of people getting into car accidents and coming out speaking fluent (or at least decent, I can't really rely on hearsay) German, even though they have never studied it in their life, simply because they had a nanny or something that spoke it around them when they were younger.
English is all of a challenge when it comes to listening. Even though English tends to be very monosyllabic a word can sound very different depending on the accent used. It is like you are learning a new word when actually is the same word, just a different accent that makes it sounddifferent.
MY FRIEND IS SWEDISH!!! I LEARN SOME SWEDISH FROM HER SPEAKING WITH HER FRIEND!!! I think speaking is the top most important. It really allows you to make sense of the words you've heard and the order in which they go in. Writing is an added tool of understanding, because if you are able to write it correctly, you can somewhat speak it correctly.
larger vocabulary one uses with a child, the more advanced the child's vocabulary will become (in other words, don't use baby talk). I do think that we should try to listen to as much native content as possible (get out of the language courses as soon as you can get by). This is all an untested hypothesis, but perhaps this is the reason one of the reasons why input works so well, particularly lots of auding.
@gp4nut I found Michel Thomas, slow and listening to English on it annoying. Language learning to me is all about learning words.
@mednos I do not use this technique. I find it interferes with my comprehension. I do not like doing it.
Listening skills develop slowly but one day our brain follow the segments of listening ppints.. dnt force brain but make habits of listening daily..
Steve, I have one tiny question. What recordings/MP3s do you recommend for a beginning learner of a new language? And where might one find these?
i believe listening is more important at first then speaking. you can learn alot by speaking however, you will not learn as much as you would if you understood everything that is being said to you first. listening teaches you everything from grammar to pronunciation. i believe bad accents come from inability to listen.
Steve you can't leave us on a cliffhanger like that. What did Mark want??
一向に日本語の動画の登校がないので英語の動画観てリスニングの勉強します
why does this have to be an either-or question? All skills (speaking, listening, writing and reading) are useful and mutually enhancing each other
@coolsteven2 When you have a conversation with someone, approximately 50% of time you are listening! So even when you are speaking, you are also listening.
That's funny the moment when you get a call. Currently I am in the stage that if someone calls me while I am recording a youtube video, I loose my concentration and then I have to start again!
I wish Steve would have mentioned the imitation technique, by using this method you're trying to simultaneously imitate a native speaker, this method is also known as "shadowing" as introduced by Professor Arguelles in his videos.
the answer is both 😛
Nice talk ..
This days i'm watching cnn channel and try to speak every day
I would like to learn Russian and am considering listening intensively before I start speaking. Are there a certain amount of hours you would recommend before opening my mouth? 50, 100, 150 hours? Thank you!
I'm sorry for posting something off topic but, will you be adding the ability to listen to individual words on link instead of having to find the part in the dialog over again? It would be very useful, especially in faster spoken languages
HI Stephen to try to explain this maybe regarding Benny whom is from Ireland for example the entire Republic of Ireland school system teaching Irish or Gaeilge is a case where they get you to reading all the time and just mouthing the words WITH NO CONTEXT.. this can build up over the years to give a block . I hear you on what you are saying but I found that the same AQUIRED block happened to me with Irish pretty much .This has carried over to my own language studies. I can hear German can understand most over 90% but I cannot OUTPUT correctly .. Of course I cannot speak for Benny but this is a problem I have found with many other Irish which carries over into other Languages apart from what was native to them. Can read even recite what I read but the system was such that there was no OUTPUT only at the end of the entire schooling system prior to University and then you had an oral part .. which is pretty much scripts you have to recite ..with little to no comprehension
@zocurtis Good luck and enjoy yourserlf!
@YouStoleMyTube un peu aussi :/
Im like beginner-low intermediate. :D
This madlad still updating time stamps on 10 yr old videos lol
@zocurtis I am going to Costa Rica on holidays in July! (^_^)
it would be so interesting if someone could put two students to the test. Giving one person the opportunity to speak right away for a period of one year and don´t let the other person speak and give them only listening practices for one year, too, and see how it goes for both of them.
there is no way a person can start speaking right away without listening. Probably a good idea to read as well. Similarly a person would need to read as well as listen and have access to some kind of online dictionary system in order to learn the language through listening. I wouldn't want to wait a year before speaking and I don't think most people would like to do that. And so it's not black-and-white, it's a matter of emphasis. I think a person with greater emphasis on input activities will have better comprehension. A person with more emphasis on speaking, will speak better although with a more limited vocabulary and more limited comprehension after one year. The more important question in, however, is who will end up being more fluent in the language, A person who relies heavily on speaking using large the same limited vocabulary, or a person who requires much broader vocabulary and develops the speaking ability based on that later on.
@@Thelinguist Thanks for answering. I was curious to know what would happen after a year. Just curiosity.
One example of speaking right aways is teaching a foreigner how to introduce themselves and be able to give their personal information on the same day/lesson. Rather than remain silent for the entire lesson. But that's just one method of course.
So a person has to listen or read to be taught how to introduce themselves etc. The same for the next bit of language they can be taught to produce. It all starts with input, no? If students are in a class they will not remain silent. Input based learning can be done independently. Most people mix the two.
bien sur que non.
Is it proven that listening and reading can learn new language? Because I want to be fluent in Spanish.
Dreaming Spanish on RUclips....
how long i have to listen to get fluency???
Between 1,000 - 2,000 hours.
thats what I think. Speaking and good content is the most important thing. I like your website. Pretty cool
Mark is waiting
@OscarP282 yea :D I'm trying to fin da french partner xD Its hard to speak with French people, maybe French Canadian? Anyone want to help?
No, thank you Sir!
what do you mean by No ?
he said "thank you" in the video, so he is returning the favour.
you too like "K" in man in black ~!!!
Why are you younger now😂