Recreate Mitch's Buffered Interface: bit.ly/3ieYskP Table of Contents: 00:00 Introduction 00:12 What is an Ampless Rig? 01:26 Holy Trinity of Tone 02:01 Layout 05:34 Power 06:10 Audio 08:01 Pedalboard Demo 21:24 Final Thoughts
I made me an ampless rig using the digitech rp360 with the option to run a dry amp alongside before the modeler (courtesy of my ventura vibe's stereo output). Nothing too fancy by comparison to Mitch's rig, but your vids really helped me think it through. It sounds great and it solved my gigging needs nicely!
An incredible board built for a really cool dude by a really awesome dude. Really enjoyed that episode! When mitch clicked the reverb+delay+chorus and hit that chord I had the same exact reaction as Mason: Mmmm tasty
My ampless board: Boss CS3 - Boss PS5 - Boss DS2 - Joyo AC Tone - EH Small Clone Chorus - Joyo Analog Delay - Joyo Atmosphere Reverb - Xvive DI / Cab Sim into mixer + venue's PA and or mine (Headrush FRFR-108 PA) and or optional amplifier. Planet Waves XLR cables, patch cables and leads. Sennheiser vocal microphone + Shure SM57 instrument microphone. Powered by Voodoo Lab pedal Power 2.
do you think the joyo ampsims need another cabsim in front of it? im considering to buy a joyo british sound, but im wondering if need another cabsim pedal on my rig. Ive seen people talk about how the joyo ampsims have an outdated cabsim in it.
Thank you so very much for this episode!! The only set up issues would be if you want to 1. run the Iridium last to use as the output buffer and 2. If using the Iridium's headphone out, any effect placed post Iridium will not be heard through the headphone out for quiet play situations.
Personelly I only use two pedals for my ampless rig, might add more later. I use an AMT M2 for Clean/OD with built in cab sim and a Neo Clone for chorus. I’m a minimalist and also don’t have too much money to play with, so this board with an Headrush FRFR-108 for monitoring live is perfect for me. Loud, sweet tones and portable af. Personally I find anything more than 4/5 pedals as messy, too many cables and stuff to carry
Same here. I use the XLR outs to my mixing board: L/R stereo feed. If I follow your recommendation of putting the reverb after the Simplifier, I need a reverb w/XLR output. Or use a reverb plugin in the DAW. Anyone else out there doing this?
Very informative, and surprisingly rare to find info. Hobbyists like me not doing any gigs are looking more and more for this kind of stuff. I went a step (or two) beyond and built a « multilayer » board connected to 2 patchbays and a multichannel interface. Endless fun…
I use a cheap board rig of guitar - boss sustain/comp - boss pitch shifter - joyo AC tone amp sim - joyo analog delay - joyo atmospheres reverb - looper/tuner - Xvive DI/Cab sim into my mixing board and or optional Orange amp & cab. Powered by a rechargeable power supply. Everything is mostly self powered and can mostly fit into my backpack.
On my latest electric guitar styling post, playing a 1978 Univox Les Paul JR DC/single-P90, I am playing a rather interesting signal chain, which I will call ampless, but not exactly. I have a 1964 Sears Silvertone 1482 in great condition (one cap needed replacement), which is fronted by a Behringer VT999 vintage tube monster (using a 1 amp dedicated power supply and a Genalex Gold 12Ax7), which I chain through a Bugera PS1, routing its line-out into the input-jack of Pod-Go (so that's three 12Ax7's and two 6V6's, along with the tube-tremelo circuit of the Silvertone [ plus tube rectifier on that puppy ] ) fronting a pod-go, where I use the "archetype" amp model on clean-switch and matching cab model), adding a DDR-600 spring reverb, all of which I then route through a Mackie DFX-12 (adding small room reverb and final EQ). In front of all that is my pedalboard (skb-25 velcro!), from G10 to Boss CS-3 and Aphex Aural Xciter / Big Bottom, two (not one, but two) NR pedals along the way, noting that the effects loop of the Pod-Go send/return bringing in my Arion SCH-Z chorus pedal (remember those?). So, it's kind of amp-less, chuckle! Have you heard of anyone using a Sears Silvertone 1482 as a distortion pedal? Chuckle. Oh, I recorded into a Zoom H1N (24/96) - straight to micro-SD card. Which is cool because the Zoom H1N is "signal level activated" to start recording. Not one general purpose computer in use (no DAWs, no nothing). Just pure guitar recorded onto micro-SD card. Of course, the main guitar part took me 5 months of practice to pull it off in one take (that's a ten minute piece). Whew. Chuckle.
I omitted a part of the signal chain -- what I will call the "wet / dry" part of the signal chain. The Bugera PS-1 has a cab-emulated XLR out. Introduce my UB-502 mixer (I have to give a shout out to the UB-502 mixer, which is about half the size of chocolate box). The cab-emulated XLR out represents the "dry" portion, while the "wet" portion is represented by the pod-go, with the Arion Chorus SCH-Z on the effects loop, along with the DDR-600 stereo reverb. I use the UB502 mixer (which has an XLR input for the "dry", along with stereo input coming from the "wet"), and then I route that mix into the Mackie DFX-12 (which then goes to the Zoom H1N line-in to micro-SD card).
Joyo American Sound never left my board, since 2015. Best cost benefit of history. So many options. But the main instrument is always our ears. Aim it to where it sounds good.
I’ve got a Cabzeus stereo...and honestly, I don’t think I’m ever going back. Amps for practice space and recording, Cabzeus for gigging (and also some recording).
Bit off topic but since building an interface/buffer was mentioned I notice Mason uses the same solder station I have - a Weller which is invaluable to me. I've done PCB work on older DSL's which can be tricky, but pedal stuff is even smaller. I finally tackled an intermittent power problem on a Nobels ODR-1 today and resoldered the bottom input and power jack connections which fortunately seems to have fixed it. But things are so small that it's almost imperative to have an adjustable heat range and a small, skinny tip. Weller type stations are more expensive than a garden variety iron or gun, but IMO those can really do damage to small PCB boards and components.
This is nice for geetar! Bass players have been doing this for years! I was using a Darkglass b7k with the cab sim but I’ve recently moved to a Cali76/Colourbox v2 combo, no cab sim but I find that it nails that direct to desk sound I really like. If I need an amp sound to sit in the mix, I’ll just use a different pedalboard preamp (Aguilar tone hammer) and a cab sim either in a pedal or DAW.
Nice board! It's always inspiring to see designs from other players. I almost take the opposite approach and try to have more space in-between pedals which means less pedals more space. Very cool board and design. Great video.
Great vid guys! Both of you are very smart with the technical aspects of engineering this board and keep the pedal vibe vs say a Fractal. I have not tried this yet and either have my pedals and amps or my Fractal AX FX II for silent playing and recording. Love Strymon pedals and have that chorus which is great, haven’t tried it in stereo yet. Also love the Archer.
Maybe a curve ball on the ampless rig: acoustic. I'm going to do a couple pieces on acoustic. I have a Fender La Brea from the mid-1980's and it has a 9-volt on-board pickup system. I'm thinking of running the line to the pod-go and dial that up, but then mic the guitar (I have a sure-sm58) and run the mic-xlr as the "dry" path. Hmmm.
Your comment about trs for stereo in newer pedals solved a problem I had-won’t explain it and I don’t know how I overlooked it but thanks for the solution.
I get why you want to run the Iridium before reverb and delay . To get results like you would in an fx loop but how does that effect impulse response? It seems like it would be equivalent to putting reverb and delay on a cab mic.
My ampless rig is based on the JDX Direct Drive. Guitar > pedals > JDX > interface. The JDX is not expensive, simple to operate & sounds great. I have no reason to upgrade. My eyes roll to the back of my head with every strum ha 😵
AMT make some of the best "Amp in a Box" pedals....especially the V-1 and F-1 that is for Vox and Fender sounding pedals. They have a built in speaker emulator, Bass, Treble, Effects loop and multiple outputs....Its a no brainer. !
The output impedance of a lot of these amp simulators are so low that it could drive 100 feet of cable without much issue, you could also use a DI at the end.
Make more videos about using various pedals that are amplifiers pedals. The Doug Aldrich Baroni Lab Miniamp is 120watts and suppose to sound just like a plexi. If they have really good fender tweed, blonde, blackface miniamp pedals like this to put on your pedalboard to go ampless. The problem is finding really good miniamp pedals that sound very close to tube amplifiers that uses JFETS or MOSFETS instead of digital processors. The picking dynamic range very touch sensitive is what to focus on.
really great job. loved the arrangements...I wonder by adding a switcher would be great to save some presets..anyway really a cool one..can you make a mini metal pedal board plz?
Thanks for watching! If you watch the video on Sweetwater with me and Mitch we talk about switchers and why we didn't use one. Mini Metal board...perhaps :)
@@VertexEffectsInc i would love to see a mini "metal music" pedal board too. I have taken many tips from watching your videos and they have helped me heaps in knowing to make it happen so many thanks and appreciation for that. For example i use my fractal units alot, but i love to also use "stand alone" stomp boxes like my favest one in all my board setups, a hughes and kettner TUBEFACTOR or TUBEMAN preamp, along with some other little goodies.! I would love to see one for the Hard Rock/Metal/Thrash and all stuff in between. Can you pass us onto any links you may have done i/we may have missed. Sorry for long spiel...awesome tips and turorials for us all to use...you guys rock..💖👌👍🤘🤘🤘🤘
Talk about timing. I'm literally. adding an Iridium to my board to be able to run ampless when needed. I've owned an Iridium for about a year and a half and it's been great for getting stellar guitar tones while teaching lessons on Zoom. Been doing more and more pickup gigs and having something more portable than amps and cabs is gonna be nice. The thought of rewiring my board is giving me hives, though. I built a junction box from your schematics so I can go from wet effects being in a loop or straight into the front. If I wanted to use my Iridium off the board and still have wet affects AFTER the Iridium, could I run my guitar into the guitar in, the out into the Iridium in, the Iridium into the effects in and then the effects out to a DI box? Does that make sense?
Hi Mason , I’ve got some pretty expensive pedals as most do , always concerned of wrecking the backing when it’s taken off , how is the Vertex Adhesive ?
The Power Grip is designed to be as gentle of an adhesive as possible. I've yet to pull paint off a pedal that's reasonably well powder coated. Some of the more DIY pedal makers do their own painting which isn't on par to pro powder places and don't always have as clean of enclosure which can lead to bubbles or bad adhesion of the paint. Even masking tape could remove that paint. To the degree that the pedal is somewhat well painted, our Power Grip will be great and comes off easy, no residue to speak of.
I trying to build an ampless board but ran into trouble. I have the Iridium and placed 2 delays and a reverb after it in the chain just as you suggested. I’m running into a Line 6 Powercab 112 Plus and they recommend using line level for most realistic speaker break up effects. A light shows you when you’ve reached the optimal level but the only way I can get it loud enough using the iridium is to crank the volume all the way, then use the secondary function to boost the level trim all the way, and even boost input gain slightly on the Powercab. I’ve just noticed doing this makes my delays sound distorted, maybe they can get overloaded by too much volume???
I have no problem driving standard JBL or QSC powered monitors for this application with no issues. Why not run the system to FOH and have them send you a line out to a wedge on the floor?
It's kinda like $400 sunglasses; if you own them you swear they are worth it (especially if other people see you in them). If you are cheap like me, a $25 pair accomplishes the same thing. It's just up to what you like.
Amp simulation is one thing but having the ability to use IRs or upload custom IRs is really what makes the difference when playing ampless. Not every multi effects unit has IR capabilities and instead just uses cabinet sims which aren’t even close.
Doing the same thing for church and I just thought I would put it at the end of the chain before the soundboard but now I’ll put it after my chorus before the reverb
Mason, I use a HX Stomp for all my amps sims and effects but I use a Gunshot for overdrive. The Gunshot is before the HX Stomp in the signal chain and it sounds good to my ears but is there a better option i.e. running the Gunshot into the loop of the HX Stomp?
It depends what effects you were using the HX for, if it’s all time best stuff then there’s no problem putting the overdrive in front of it, if you’re using some effects that would be before the overdrive versus after the overdrives in the effects loop might make more sense.
In the "Which Power Supply is Right for You?" video you picked the Cioks as your absolute favorite power supply, but here you're saying that Strymon is "the best of the best" - how come you changed your mind? Did you learn something new about either of those brands that made you re-evaluate your choice?
I suggested several high quality options, and said I personally like the Cioks, but also said other were wonderful. Honestly any I recommend in that video will do the trick, I didn't land on an "all or nothing" recommendation on Cioks. Strymon is also great, some Truetone, even some of the new Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 3+ is great. Those could have all worked here bu this is what Mitch had and it's in the same category of quality as Cioks.
@Vertex Effects Mason, I’m surprised a midi/loop switcher wasn’t used, cost? need? Preference on his part? As usual, 👍 Keoki. PS love the “audition feature” I’ll have to check out that interface link you provided. Would there be any difference between amp-less and amped design on that circuit, my elderly brain is reaching for this one…
He didn't need one...he has a few basic tones for clean and dirty so there aren't very many switch changes needed. This was a deliberate choice. Mitch had an ES-8 rig for some time and found it overkill for his needs. The ampless rig vs. normal rig would only be different in that the time-based effects like Delay and Reverb would go in the effects loop versus after the Iridium.
Hi Mason, great video as always! What changes if any need to be made in order for the buffer to have the option of going into the mixer or into 2 amps? Thanks in advance!
If that last pedal is buffered and around 100 ohms output impedance you could probably just go interchangeably between amps and the mixer. If you have a higher output impedance pedals as the last pedals before the amp you could add stereo output buffers and it won't hurt anything in either application.
Mason, I still have not found a clip of that music that is playing in the back ground at the beginning of this video. Cool guitar music , What is that ? where can i get it ? Thanks, Dave (Vertex Boost owner . tow new ones and one older model ). I love my Vertex Boost pedals !
Hi Mason....Thanks so much for the videos! They have been most helpful in breaking old habits and learning new things! If I may ask a few questions: 1) I noticed Mitch wasnt running any sort of compressor on his board. Would one be best placed after the buffer but somewhere before his overdrives. Was this personal preference? I know in your other video you set a compressor there in between those pedal types. 2) If you ran chorus reverb delay AFTER your Iridium would you be best served sticking a buffer at the end of that chain but before the board? How would you manage the stereo signal at that point. 3) If you chose to run a chorus after the Iridium, would you just run TS cables til the end and then into 2 channels into the board via DI? Thanks again
1) compressors are fine post buffer normally. Buffer should come as close to the guitar as possible pending any impedance sensitive pedals like fuzzes. 2) You could put buffers at the end of the stereo chain (one for the left output and one for the right output), but some of those pedals have low output impedance already and are stereo, if the pedal is around 100-200 ohms output impedance you should be fine at driving an unbalanced cable to your DI or whatever you're doing to get the signal to your PA or interface. If the chorus is stereo you can run the stereo out of the Iridium into the chorus and continue the stereo path from there, if the chorus is mono you can run mono out of the Iridium and then start the stereo path after the chorus. 3) I think this was answered in #2.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you Sensei! I am learning so much from your videos. I clearly suffered from the Dunning-Krueger effect. Meaning I didnt know what I didnt know. As I move from unconscious incompetence to conscious incompetence, I am realizing how i coukd NEVER get my stuff to sound right. I would just turn up to overcompensate for what I didnt underatand.
I'm having trouble setting up iridium. Is it necessary to select the line input in the setting to turn the drive volume because it is inputting in stereo? Also, I think there were -20, 0 and +3 in the master volume, but what did you choose?
You can actually have 128 favorites with the Iridium if you are willing to use MIDI, something like a Morningstar MC6 (or in my case I use the presets on my HX Effects to each save their own Iridium favorite). I'm not directly familiar with the Multiswitch but I do know Iridium itself supports 128 different favorites. If you only want a couple physical button options to grab easily the Multiswitch is probably worth checking out.
I’m not very familiar with pedals like the Iridium so I apologize if this is a basic question. If I built a board like this, could I go directly into a cabinet as opposed to direct?
Great video thanks. Sorry I’m late to the party so not sure if you’ll be able to respond but I’m having issues running unbalanced TS cables out of the Iridium straight into the back of two JBL 305P speakers - I’m not hearing anything. Folks at Sweetwater said I could run right out of Iridium into the JBLs with TS cables, is that your understanding as well?
Powered monitors should be just fine...the output may need to be increased on your Iridium and on your powered monitor as well. That's how we were doing playback during this video.
Great video as always! How do we go about doing a Wet Dry setup with Strymon Iridium? Planning to have Round (Fender) as the Wet amp and Punch (Marshall) as the Dry amp. Do I need 2 Iridiums in order to have separate amp models for Wet and for Dry?
The best way to do it would actually be to run the iridium with all the dry effects into the mixing board, and then have an auxiliary send to collect the wet effects.
@@VertexEffectsIncNever used a mixer before, will it help with setting up two different Wet and Dry amp models working together at the same time? Which mixer would you recommend to go with the Iridium?
Just got a GT-1000 Core to switch to an ampless pedalboard. Or really it kinda blurs the line between ampless pedalboard and modeler+pedals but whatever.
Hi Mason! I have NUX Solid Studio. It is good power amp and cab sim which has no preamp section Can You suggest what simple device it would be added to rich whole tone shaping? Thank you in advance!
I’m confused on that as well. The ventris is the last pedal in the chain, yes? The signal goes out from there to….where? On your diagram it shows the signal going from the ventris to the mixer/daw. How would that be possible without a DI box after the ventris?
Hello, I was wondering if you have any recommendations for setting up an ampless pedalboard when using a modeler with stereo outputs (I'm using an ACS1) together with a reverb pedal without mono output. Ideally I want to use the dual amp function of the ACS1 with reverb on both sides but I'm not sure how to do that if the reverb pedal is connected after the modeler. Should I just connect the reverb pedal before the modeler in the signal line?
You could also make it wet/dry and run the reverb/delay whatever full wet in one side and dryer guitar on other! Don't know the ACS1 well but iridium you can set it to duel mono which is perfect for doing this. Need to go full wet though and hope don't have any phasing issues at all!
I suppose you could look up the cost of each Pedal, the pedalboard and materials and have a good guess. Sweetwater provided all the materials for the build.
@@Funkfreed should work too. The American Sound is a Tech 21 Blonde Sansamp clone. So it is a preamp with (analog) cabsim. You might get a bit fizzy drive tones out of it, because the cabsim is a bit outdated. Than i would recommend an IR loader or any modern cab sim Pedal at the end of the chain. I like the gfi cabzeus mono for that purpose.
@@aladinhellchicken7994 I still have to use a stereo pedal at the end of my chain. Plugging the joyo directly to my studio monitor only gives me left channel even if I use trs to dual ts splitter.
@@aladinhellchicken7994what if i use a mooer preamp? do u think i can go direct input on a live setting without adding another cabsim pedal infront of it?
Need help….So if I have this similar rig except a Two Notes Cab M+ and a Kingsley Maiden preamp, where would those 2 pedals go? I assume Maiden into Two Notes then into H9 and Collider. Or H9 before he Maiden? I’m super confused 😅
Hey. Satisfied with your m+? Takes od/dist pedals well? Recently got a TC Electronic combo 65 which sounds really good clean, not too bad with ODS, but not ideal either... Wondering if m+ is doing a more realistic job.... ?🤔
Hey there. In the end I got rid of the M+. Chasing the tone become a nightmare and expensive. I went for a the UA Ruby and a couple other of their pedals into a DAW and could not be happier. @@trafalgar622
On top of these effects I also use a Boss SY-1 guitar synth pedal to occasionally get a Pat Metheny-like guitar synth sound....where would that fit in the signal chain?
I use this quilter block cab simulator, get me to the correct impedance with a balanced signak but sounds bad..... I use a compressor,drive,and reverb pedals that I run off a tri parallel mixer.... Helps but doesn't sound anything like headphones or an amp.....help??? Trying an EQ next.....
This is what keeps me awake at night: I play an ampless rig but I can't wrap my head around putting the time based effects after the cab sim (room effect). It seems like you emulated an amp, a cab, and a microphone, and then ran all that into your time based effects. The iridium is a great product, but I wish it had an effects loop so I could get some sleep.
If you consider how you'd add in delays/reverbs/wet processing effects in a studio, that all comes after the microphone on the speaker cabinet. Very standard whether it's in Pro Tools or in a mix bus.
Can I get your advice and how to order these : big sky, timeline, möbius, Loomer, tuner, boutique fuzz Russian muff clone. Thanks also what should I add having not taken the step into running midi (yet)
@@VertexEffectsInc got it. I guess I need a buffer maybe. Looking at the Strymon power supply now too. Probably just need to get on a plane and come your way 😂
You would not be able to run it into a nonpowered speaker cabinet, as it’s a line level signal coming out of the pedalboard. But they do have flat response, full range, powered speakers (similar to a powered PA speaker) which you would be able to run directly into. I go out of mine into a high wattage, clean keyboard amp, which also works pretty well.
Conversely, do you need that many pedals when many amps from Boss, Yamaha, Blackstar or Fender, to name a few, come equipped with all sorts of effects?
Jason your a joy to learn from Sir - I’m using iridium cuz I’m old and it’s a drag lugging gear. Might you have a consultation service just to review set up- asking as I’m now considering your booster to increase signal to elevate during intros and solos? Just need advise…
Hi Mason, I’ve been running ampless for a couple of years with an ES8 with a board full of Strymons, to include Iridium. I have everything going into the switcher, with pedal order set in the Loop Structure page. Does this truly represent a series setup structure as if the ES8 wasn’t part of the equation?
I'm going to use the SD Powerstage200 together with a bunch of pedals. Would you recommend using an output buffer? All pedals in front of the power amp?
This is a great board and all of this is down to matters of taste (obviously this is a guy's custom board!), but it's just my opinion that putting the reverb and delays after the amp/cab sim is going to be lackluster for a lot of players. I feel like it kind of puts a blanket over those effects, as the speaker/resonance simulation delivers a very different attack to those effects. Like, you're expecting to get tight hi-fi repeats and crisp modulated reverbs, that is not the ticket.
if you want a studio application, the wet processing effects after the mic is how it would be done. It also depends on the amount of gain you're setting the Iridium for and the type of cab simulation. If you use a lot of gain on the amp sims on the Iridium with speaker distortion, it's going to be just like you put an overdrive after a delay pedal in front of a clean amp, not generally what most people would do for optimal performance.
Really great build! I just wanted to ask your thoughts on something like the Pinestripe Pedals Diso+ after the pedals to match the levels a bit more for the FOH or direct signal to the recording interface? It’s beyond me, but I’d always want the best tone / signal for recording. Thanks!
With something like this, you shouldn't need any sort of DI, the output impedance is low - 100 ohms with any decent guitar cable you should be able to drive 100 or more feet without any degradation.
Agree with the Rig Dr's assertion that a buffered/low impedance signal will drive an unbalanced signal up to 100ft. If you are running into a recording interface, there should be no problems. However, if you are playing on a stage, you'll likely need some way to convert to XLR to connect to the snake. This can be accomplished in many ways..but keep in mind that if you connect the Iridium directly to a mixer and phantom power is accidentally applied, it will quickly KILL the Iridium's outputs. Anything with transformers will prevent damage as will an active DI. Keep in mind that most passive DIs will drop the signal level by 15 to 20dB. This can usually be made up by cranking the channel gain. We designed the DISO+ with 1 to 1 Jensen line isolation transformers to keep the signal level at the original level, convert from 1/4 inch unbalanced to XLR balanced, allow ground lifting (not possible with a 1/4 inch guitar cable connection). In addition it has 1/4 inch outputs that can be used to connect to a powered speaker for monitoring and can be used at the same time as the XLRs. HTH!
I'm curious about the interface box. I typically run stereo straight into the front of 2 amps, but sometimes like to run my pedalboard into a single amp with an effects loop. It appears I could build this same interface box and use for that purpose?
Just watched your mono sum video, so probably not ideal to build an interface box to do both a stereo and mono setup (unless I unplug R on the final pedal and run/pan L), thanks for the great videos!
hello everyone! i was wondering if anyone can help me with my rig, im considering buying a joyo british sound, but im wondering if need another cabsim pedal on my rig. Ive seen people talk about how the joyo ampsims have an outdated cabsim in it. Or another alternative, should i just buy a mooer preamp 002, which already have a proper cabsim in it? *(currently building my first pedalboard and on a strict budget)*
@Andrew Stonerock if it doesn't, then you would benefit from having one. If you use a really long cable going into the unit, typically anything over 10 feet, then put a buffer on input. Same applies to your output, only if it's a TS cable. If you have an XLR out then you are all set.
Hey Mason,is there a way I can boost a line level signal??…..I have an old 1989 Marshall 9005 stereo rack power amp…..it was designed to pair with the matching Marshall preamp,which was -10db to -20db on the output,so the 9005 is expecting a loud signal on its input…….In my application,plugging a pedal,or load box into it,you have to really crank the volume to get the needed volume levels…it’s not putting out its full potential without a hotter signal going into it…….not sure how to do this…
@@VertexEffectsInc kind of…….It’s a wet dry wet system……my line out of a load box feeds a Micropitch,Delay and Reverb pedal,which connects to the A and B inputs of the power amp…..
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Recreate Mitch's Buffered Interface:
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Table of Contents:
00:00 Introduction
00:12 What is an Ampless Rig?
01:26 Holy Trinity of Tone
02:01 Layout
05:34 Power
06:10 Audio
08:01 Pedalboard Demo
21:24 Final Thoughts
When I’m looking at Sweetwater shopping… I read in Mitch Gallagher
Hahahaha!
I do the exact same thing haha
That's facts!!
I made me an ampless rig using the digitech rp360 with the option to run a dry amp alongside before the modeler (courtesy of my ventura vibe's stereo output). Nothing too fancy by comparison to Mitch's rig, but your vids really helped me think it through. It sounds great and it solved my gigging needs nicely!
Thanks for watching!
An incredible board built for a really cool dude by a really awesome dude. Really enjoyed that episode! When mitch clicked the reverb+delay+chorus and hit that chord I had the same exact reaction as Mason: Mmmm tasty
Yes!!! Thanks Buddy!!!
My ampless board: Boss CS3 - Boss PS5 - Boss DS2 - Joyo AC Tone - EH Small Clone Chorus - Joyo Analog Delay - Joyo Atmosphere Reverb - Xvive DI / Cab Sim into mixer + venue's PA and or mine (Headrush FRFR-108 PA) and or optional amplifier. Planet Waves XLR cables, patch cables and leads. Sennheiser vocal microphone + Shure SM57 instrument microphone. Powered by Voodoo Lab pedal Power 2.
Cool!
do you think the joyo ampsims need another cabsim in front of it? im considering to buy a joyo british sound, but im wondering if need another cabsim pedal on my rig. Ive seen people talk about how the joyo ampsims have an outdated cabsim in it.
Thank you so very much for this episode!! The only set up issues would be if you want to 1. run the Iridium last to use as the output buffer and 2. If using the Iridium's headphone out, any effect placed post Iridium will not be heard through the headphone out for quiet play situations.
You can always run buffers at the end or choose pedals with low output impedances to drive the line back to the mixing board.
Game-changer, love the versatility of amp/no amp! Evolution my dear Watson!
Glad you like it!
Personelly I only use two pedals for my ampless rig, might add more later. I use an AMT M2 for Clean/OD with built in cab sim and a Neo Clone for chorus. I’m a minimalist and also don’t have too much money to play with, so this board with an Headrush FRFR-108 for monitoring live is perfect for me. Loud, sweet tones and portable af. Personally I find anything more than 4/5 pedals as messy, too many cables and stuff to carry
That's one way to do it!
I use an ampless rig based around the DSM & Humboldt Simplifier. It has an effects loop and two XLR outputs (L/R). Love that thing.
Me too!
Nice!
Same here. I use the XLR outs to my mixing board: L/R stereo feed. If I follow your recommendation of putting the reverb after the Simplifier, I need a reverb w/XLR output. Or use a reverb plugin in the DAW. Anyone else out there doing this?
I am looking forward to building a ampless and guitaristless rig!
hahahaha
Very informative, and surprisingly rare to find info. Hobbyists like me not doing any gigs are looking more and more for this kind of stuff. I went a step (or two) beyond and built a « multilayer » board connected to 2 patchbays and a multichannel interface. Endless fun…
Thanks for watching!
I use a cheap board rig of guitar - boss sustain/comp - boss pitch shifter - joyo AC tone amp sim - joyo analog delay - joyo atmospheres reverb - looper/tuner - Xvive DI/Cab sim into my mixing board and or optional Orange amp & cab. Powered by a rechargeable power supply. Everything is mostly self powered and can mostly fit into my backpack.
Cool!
@@VertexEffectsInc i decided to ditch the Orange. I decided to sharpen my Boss Katana instead.
On my latest electric guitar styling post, playing a 1978 Univox Les Paul JR DC/single-P90, I am playing a rather interesting signal chain, which I will call ampless, but not exactly.
I have a 1964 Sears Silvertone 1482 in great condition (one cap needed replacement), which is fronted by a Behringer VT999 vintage tube monster (using a 1 amp dedicated power supply and a Genalex Gold 12Ax7), which I chain through a Bugera PS1, routing its line-out into the input-jack of Pod-Go (so that's three 12Ax7's and two 6V6's, along with the tube-tremelo circuit of the Silvertone [ plus tube rectifier on that puppy ] ) fronting a pod-go, where I use the "archetype" amp model on clean-switch and matching cab model), adding a DDR-600 spring reverb, all of which I then route through a Mackie DFX-12 (adding small room reverb and final EQ).
In front of all that is my pedalboard (skb-25 velcro!), from G10 to Boss CS-3 and Aphex Aural Xciter / Big Bottom, two (not one, but two) NR pedals along the way, noting that the effects loop of the Pod-Go send/return bringing in my Arion SCH-Z chorus pedal (remember those?).
So, it's kind of amp-less, chuckle! Have you heard of anyone using a Sears Silvertone 1482 as a distortion pedal? Chuckle.
Oh, I recorded into a Zoom H1N (24/96) - straight to micro-SD card. Which is cool because the Zoom H1N is "signal level activated" to start recording. Not one general purpose computer in use (no DAWs, no nothing). Just pure guitar recorded onto micro-SD card.
Of course, the main guitar part took me 5 months of practice to pull it off in one take (that's a ten minute piece). Whew. Chuckle.
Sounds cool!
I omitted a part of the signal chain -- what I will call the "wet / dry" part of the signal chain.
The Bugera PS-1 has a cab-emulated XLR out. Introduce my UB-502 mixer (I have to give a shout out to the UB-502 mixer, which is about half the size of chocolate box). The cab-emulated XLR out represents the "dry" portion, while the "wet" portion is represented by the pod-go, with the Arion Chorus SCH-Z on the effects loop, along with the DDR-600 stereo reverb.
I use the UB502 mixer (which has an XLR input for the "dry", along with stereo input coming from the "wet"), and then I route that mix into the Mackie DFX-12 (which then goes to the Zoom H1N line-in to micro-SD card).
Mitch is the best! Enjoy your new board!!!
Thanks for watching!
Joyo American Sound never left my board, since 2015. Best cost benefit of history. So many options. But the main instrument is always our ears. Aim it to where it sounds good.
I’ve got a Cabzeus stereo...and honestly, I don’t think I’m ever going back. Amps for practice space and recording, Cabzeus for gigging (and also some recording).
same here
They're great units!
Mitch could always run the new Ernie Ball tuner volume pedals with the sweet display. Great board, valuable info for me.
Thanks for watching Skyler!!!
Bit off topic but since building an interface/buffer was mentioned I notice Mason uses the same solder station I have - a Weller which is invaluable to me. I've done PCB work on older DSL's which can be tricky, but pedal stuff is even smaller. I finally tackled an intermittent power problem on a Nobels ODR-1 today and resoldered the bottom input and power jack connections which fortunately seems to have fixed it. But things are so small that it's almost imperative to have an adjustable heat range and a small, skinny tip. Weller type stations are more expensive than a garden variety iron or gun, but IMO those can really do damage to small PCB boards and components.
Well said! Weller is great and makes easy work out of soldering.
I didn't know that Vertex guy. What a cool guy. Very nice and helpful video. Thanks so much. 😎
This is nice for geetar! Bass players have been doing this for years! I was using a Darkglass b7k with the cab sim but I’ve recently moved to a Cali76/Colourbox v2 combo, no cab sim but I find that it nails that direct to desk sound I really like. If I need an amp sound to sit in the mix, I’ll just use a different pedalboard preamp (Aguilar tone hammer) and a cab sim either in a pedal or DAW.
Thanks for watching!
Nice board! It's always inspiring to see designs from other players. I almost take the opposite approach and try to have more space in-between pedals which means less pedals more space. Very cool board and design. Great video.
Well said!
I have a pretty minimalist setup. I’m using the Vox mystic edge pedal and a Boss MS-3. I use the 4 cable method and it does the job pretty well.
Nice!
I am a fan of the Strymon Flint + Deco + Iridium for amp-less rig ... I've made a bunch of videos with this rig.
Great combo!
Great vid guys! Both of you are very smart with the technical aspects of engineering this board and keep the pedal vibe vs say a Fractal. I have not tried this yet and either have my pedals and amps or my Fractal AX FX II for silent playing and recording. Love Strymon pedals and have that chorus which is great, haven’t tried it in stereo yet. Also love the Archer.
Heck yea! I got an AxeFX II as well!
Maybe a curve ball on the ampless rig: acoustic.
I'm going to do a couple pieces on acoustic. I have a Fender La Brea from the mid-1980's and it has a 9-volt on-board pickup system. I'm thinking of running the line to the pod-go and dial that up, but then mic the guitar (I have a sure-sm58) and run the mic-xlr as the "dry" path. Hmmm.
you could that.
Where would you place an acoustic sim pedal like the Boss AC-3 in this chain? After buffer but before compressor?
Your comment about trs for stereo in newer pedals solved a problem I had-won’t explain it and I don’t know how I overlooked it but thanks for the solution.
Thanks for watching!
I get why you want to run the Iridium before reverb and delay . To get results like you would in an fx loop but how does that effect impulse response? It seems like it would be equivalent to putting reverb and delay on a cab mic.
It would be like using the effects after the mic, correct, like 99% of studios would add on processing effects in post or from a mix bus. Very common.
as an acoustic guitar player i simply run the micro active d.i. with cabinet simulator on my pedalboard direct to the p.a system .. 😊
This is really good, thanks. I’m doing this kind of thing into my DAW, I have a Simplifier on the way and hoping to create a similar chain
My ampless rig is based on the JDX Direct Drive. Guitar > pedals > JDX > interface.
The JDX is not expensive, simple to operate & sounds great. I have no reason to upgrade.
My eyes roll to the back of my head with every strum ha 😵
Very cool!
A very cool and flexible pedalboard that inspire me too, good job
Thanks for watching!
AMT make some of the best "Amp in a Box" pedals....especially the V-1 and F-1 that is for Vox and Fender sounding pedals. They have a built in speaker emulator, Bass, Treble, Effects loop and multiple outputs....Its a no brainer. !
Compared to what? Does it do all of the big name amps in one? Vox, Fender, Marshall? Does it does three different cabinet types? What about room mics?
Great video thank you. My question is from there how you go to the FOH
The output impedance of a lot of these amp simulators are so low that it could drive 100 feet of cable without much issue, you could also use a DI at the end.
@@VertexEffectsInc thanks Doc
Make more videos about using various pedals that are amplifiers pedals. The Doug Aldrich Baroni Lab Miniamp is 120watts and suppose to sound just like a plexi. If they have really good fender tweed, blonde, blackface miniamp pedals like this to put on your pedalboard to go ampless. The problem is finding really good miniamp pedals that sound very close to tube amplifiers that uses JFETS or MOSFETS instead of digital processors. The picking dynamic range very touch sensitive is what to focus on.
Thanks for this info Wayne!
really great job. loved the arrangements...I wonder by adding a switcher would be great to save some presets..anyway really a cool one..can you make a mini metal pedal board plz?
Thanks for watching! If you watch the video on Sweetwater with me and Mitch we talk about switchers and why we didn't use one. Mini Metal board...perhaps :)
@@VertexEffectsInc i would love to see a mini "metal music" pedal board too. I have taken many tips from watching your videos and they have helped me heaps in knowing to make it happen so many thanks and appreciation for that. For example i use my fractal units alot, but i love to also use "stand alone" stomp boxes like my favest one in all my board setups, a hughes and kettner TUBEFACTOR or TUBEMAN preamp, along with some other little goodies.! I would love to see one for the Hard Rock/Metal/Thrash and all stuff in between. Can you pass us onto any links you may have done i/we may have missed. Sorry for long spiel...awesome tips and turorials for us all to use...you guys rock..💖👌👍🤘🤘🤘🤘
Talk about timing. I'm literally. adding an Iridium to my board to be able to run ampless when needed. I've owned an Iridium for about a year and a half and it's been great for getting stellar guitar tones while teaching lessons on Zoom. Been doing more and more pickup gigs and having something more portable than amps and cabs is gonna be nice. The thought of rewiring my board is giving me hives, though. I built a junction box from your schematics so I can go from wet effects being in a loop or straight into the front. If I wanted to use my Iridium off the board and still have wet affects AFTER the Iridium, could I run my guitar into the guitar in, the out into the Iridium in, the Iridium into the effects in and then the effects out to a DI box? Does that make sense?
Just treat the Iridium like the amplifier. Iridium In (like amp in). Iridium Out (like FX send).
Your videos are all inspiring!
quick question: how about on HX Stomp, does that need an output buffer?
I find they do.
So, for ampless rig, you don’t need the output buffer or in this case is because the Iridium?
Yes but Iridium needs to be placed last and you'll most likely want an input buffer as well. Something like TC polytune 3 with buffer for example.
If it's the Iridium, no, it has a 100 ohm output buffer already on both channels, L and R.
So after the source ventris, it goes straight to DI or FoH?
Hi Mason , I’ve got some pretty expensive pedals as most do , always concerned of wrecking the backing when it’s taken off , how is the Vertex Adhesive ?
The Power Grip is designed to be as gentle of an adhesive as possible. I've yet to pull paint off a pedal that's reasonably well powder coated. Some of the more DIY pedal makers do their own painting which isn't on par to pro powder places and don't always have as clean of enclosure which can lead to bubbles or bad adhesion of the paint. Even masking tape could remove that paint. To the degree that the pedal is somewhat well painted, our Power Grip will be great and comes off easy, no residue to speak of.
I trying to build an ampless board but ran into trouble. I have the Iridium and placed 2 delays and a reverb after it in the chain just as you suggested. I’m running into a Line 6 Powercab 112 Plus and they recommend using line level for most realistic speaker break up effects. A light shows you when you’ve reached the optimal level but the only way I can get it loud enough using the iridium is to crank the volume all the way, then use the secondary function to boost the level trim all the way, and even boost input gain slightly on the Powercab. I’ve just noticed doing this makes my delays sound distorted, maybe they can get overloaded by too much volume???
I have no problem driving standard JBL or QSC powered monitors for this application with no issues. Why not run the system to FOH and have them send you a line out to a wedge on the floor?
@@VertexEffectsInc No gigs here. Just jamming out in my basement by myself! 😆 I was going ampless to keep the volume down at the house.
You can do that with any multi effect unit with amp simulation. I don’t understand why all the complications. What am I missing?
It's kinda like $400 sunglasses; if you own them you swear they are worth it (especially if other people see you in them). If you are cheap like me, a $25 pair accomplishes the same thing.
It's just up to what you like.
Once you realize this is nothing more than an advertisement for fancy, corksniffer pedals, you’ll be able to answer your own question. 🤣
Amp simulation is one thing but having the ability to use IRs or upload custom IRs is really what makes the difference when playing ampless. Not every multi effects unit has IR capabilities and instead just uses cabinet sims which aren’t even close.
Thanks for this! Getting the Iridium for a church rig and this is not how I would have wired it. Great info..
Doing the same thing for church and I just thought I would put it at the end of the chain before the soundboard but now I’ll put it after my chorus before the reverb
Glad it was helpful!
Mason, I use a HX Stomp for all my amps sims and effects but I use a Gunshot for overdrive. The Gunshot is before the HX Stomp in the signal chain and it sounds good to my ears but is there a better option i.e. running the Gunshot into the loop of the HX Stomp?
It depends what effects you were using the HX for, if it’s all time best stuff then there’s no problem putting the overdrive in front of it, if you’re using some effects that would be before the overdrive versus after the overdrives in the effects loop might make more sense.
In the "Which Power Supply is Right for You?" video you picked the Cioks as your absolute favorite power supply, but here you're saying that Strymon is "the best of the best" - how come you changed your mind? Did you learn something new about either of those brands that made you re-evaluate your choice?
I suggested several high quality options, and said I personally like the Cioks, but also said other were wonderful. Honestly any I recommend in that video will do the trick, I didn't land on an "all or nothing" recommendation on Cioks. Strymon is also great, some Truetone, even some of the new Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 3+ is great. Those could have all worked here bu this is what Mitch had and it's in the same category of quality as Cioks.
This really is the perfect setup. Where would an EQ pedal go in a rig like this?
After the overdrives and distortion I’d say.
Thank you!
DI box?
@Vertex Effects Mason, I’m surprised a midi/loop switcher wasn’t used, cost? need? Preference on his part? As usual, 👍 Keoki. PS love the “audition feature” I’ll have to check out that interface link you provided. Would there be any difference between amp-less and amped design on that circuit, my elderly brain is reaching for this one…
He didn't need one...he has a few basic tones for clean and dirty so there aren't very many switch changes needed. This was a deliberate choice. Mitch had an ES-8 rig for some time and found it overkill for his needs. The ampless rig vs. normal rig would only be different in that the time-based effects like Delay and Reverb would go in the effects loop versus after the Iridium.
amazing work, as usual!!!
Thanks again!
Hi Mason, great video as always! What changes if any need to be made in order for the buffer to have the option of going into the mixer or into 2 amps? Thanks in advance!
If that last pedal is buffered and around 100 ohms output impedance you could probably just go interchangeably between amps and the mixer. If you have a higher output impedance pedals as the last pedals before the amp you could add stereo output buffers and it won't hurt anything in either application.
Mason, I still have not found a clip of that music that is playing in the back ground at the beginning of this video. Cool guitar music , What is that ? where can i get it ? Thanks, Dave (Vertex Boost owner . tow new ones and one older model ). I love my Vertex Boost pedals !
The Dann Huff one? It's from a RUclips video tutorial he did 30 years ago or so on Session Guitar work.
I had no idea that it's recommended to run volume pedal after drives. I always just put volume pedal first...
Hi Mason....Thanks so much for the videos! They have been most helpful in breaking old habits and learning new things!
If I may ask a few questions:
1) I noticed Mitch wasnt running any sort of compressor on his board. Would one be best placed after the buffer but somewhere before his overdrives. Was this personal preference? I know in your other video you set a compressor there in between those pedal types.
2) If you ran chorus reverb delay AFTER your Iridium would you be best served sticking a buffer at the end of that chain but before the board? How would you manage the stereo signal at that point.
3) If you chose to run a chorus after the Iridium, would you just run TS cables til the end and then into 2 channels into the board via DI?
Thanks again
1) compressors are fine post buffer normally. Buffer should come as close to the guitar as possible pending any impedance sensitive pedals like fuzzes. 2) You could put buffers at the end of the stereo chain (one for the left output and one for the right output), but some of those pedals have low output impedance already and are stereo, if the pedal is around 100-200 ohms output impedance you should be fine at driving an unbalanced cable to your DI or whatever you're doing to get the signal to your PA or interface. If the chorus is stereo you can run the stereo out of the Iridium into the chorus and continue the stereo path from there, if the chorus is mono you can run mono out of the Iridium and then start the stereo path after the chorus. 3) I think this was answered in #2.
@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you Sensei! I am learning so much from your videos. I clearly suffered from the Dunning-Krueger effect. Meaning I didnt know what I didnt know. As I move from unconscious incompetence to conscious incompetence, I am realizing how i coukd NEVER get my stuff to sound right. I would just turn up to overcompensate for what I didnt underatand.
@@VertexEffectsInc i was able to answer some of my own questions by watching one of your Chairmen of the Board podcasts.
@@donovanwillis370 great! We're here to help!
I'm having trouble setting up iridium. Is it necessary to select the line input in the setting to turn the drive volume because it is inputting in stereo? Also, I think there were -20, 0 and +3 in the master volume, but what did you choose?
Generally if you're driving it with pedals on a pedalboard it should be instrument level (-20) on the input.
Am I wrong that you can hook up a Strymon Multiswitch Plus to the Iridium and make three more FAV presets?
You can actually have 128 favorites with the Iridium if you are willing to use MIDI, something like a Morningstar MC6 (or in my case I use the presets on my HX Effects to each save their own Iridium favorite). I'm not directly familiar with the Multiswitch but I do know Iridium itself supports 128 different favorites. If you only want a couple physical button options to grab easily the Multiswitch is probably worth checking out.
Top notch stuff. 👍
I’m not very familiar with pedals like the Iridium so I apologize if this is a basic question. If I built a board like this, could I go directly into a cabinet as opposed to direct?
The Iridium can't drive a cabinet as I understand, you'd need to connect it to a power amp to do that.
I have a similar board with a ACs1 and was wondering what kind of DI Mitch was using .
Hi great Video so my question is how do you connect the IR 200 the DD200 and the SY200 together in Stereo and what goes first please help Thanks
Great video 👌🏻 Where should I put the UAD Stomp OX?
Great video thanks. Sorry I’m late to the party so not sure if you’ll be able to respond but I’m having issues running unbalanced TS cables out of the Iridium straight into the back of two JBL 305P speakers - I’m not hearing anything. Folks at Sweetwater said I could run right out of Iridium into the JBLs with TS cables, is that your understanding as well?
Powered monitors should be just fine...the output may need to be increased on your Iridium and on your powered monitor as well. That's how we were doing playback during this video.
Great video as always! How do we go about doing a Wet Dry setup with Strymon Iridium? Planning to have Round (Fender) as the Wet amp and Punch (Marshall) as the Dry amp. Do I need 2 Iridiums in order to have separate amp models for Wet and for Dry?
The best way to do it would actually be to run the iridium with all the dry effects into the mixing board, and then have an auxiliary send to collect the wet effects.
@@VertexEffectsIncNever used a mixer before, will it help with setting up two different Wet and Dry amp models working together at the same time? Which mixer would you recommend to go with the Iridium?
Just got a GT-1000 Core to switch to an ampless pedalboard. Or really it kinda blurs the line between ampless pedalboard and modeler+pedals but whatever.
Nice!
4:44 why use OUT R? it should be OUT L? am i missing something? please reply thank you!
And can I go into my Universal Audio 6176 (Hardware) or should it go into the sound device - Considering I have an amp sim on my board?
Hi Mason!
I have NUX Solid Studio. It is good power amp and cab sim which has no preamp section
Can You suggest what simple device it would be added to rich whole tone shaping?
Thank you in advance!
Depends on how limited or flexible you need as the preamp to drive the power amp.
Great board , what kind of DI box are you using ?
Why do you need a DI?
I’m confused on that as well. The ventris is the last pedal in the chain, yes? The signal goes out from there to….where? On your diagram it shows the signal going from the ventris to the mixer/daw. How would that be possible without a DI box after the ventris?
How often do you have to clean connectors and repatch to avoid oxidation noise?
Depends on how much you gig, I do it about every 3 months.
Hello,
I was wondering if you have any recommendations for setting up an ampless pedalboard when using a modeler with stereo outputs (I'm using an ACS1) together with a reverb pedal without mono output. Ideally I want to use the dual amp function of the ACS1 with reverb on both sides but I'm not sure how to do that if the reverb pedal is connected after the modeler. Should I just connect the reverb pedal before the modeler in the signal line?
You'd have to put the reverb before the ACS-1
You could also make it wet/dry and run the reverb/delay whatever full wet in one side and dryer guitar on other! Don't know the ACS1 well but iridium you can set it to duel mono which is perfect for doing this. Need to go full wet though and hope don't have any phasing issues at all!
where can I get an input buffer, they don't send to canada, really nice board!! Thanks
Watch our videos on buffers we make other pre-made recommendations!
If you want to go into a passive speaker do you need a power amp pedal?
The Iridium is not designed to drive a speaker. You would need a power amp.
How much would this rig setup shown cost?
I suppose you could look up the cost of each Pedal, the pedalboard and materials and have a good guess. Sweetwater provided all the materials for the build.
If I have this for a pedalboard OD-->preamp sim-->delay-->reverb can I plug this directly into my studio monitor?
Powered monitors, yes if it's like the Iridium.
@@VertexEffectsInc how about if it's just a joyo american sound?
@@Funkfreed should work too. The American Sound is a Tech 21 Blonde Sansamp clone. So it is a preamp with (analog) cabsim. You might get a bit fizzy drive tones out of it, because the cabsim is a bit outdated. Than i would recommend an IR loader or any modern cab sim Pedal at the end of the chain. I like the gfi cabzeus mono for that purpose.
@@aladinhellchicken7994 I still have to use a stereo pedal at the end of my chain. Plugging the joyo directly to my studio monitor only gives me left channel even if I use trs to dual ts splitter.
@@aladinhellchicken7994what if i use a mooer preamp? do u think i can go direct input on a live setting without adding another cabsim pedal infront of it?
Need help….So if I have this similar rig except a Two Notes Cab M+ and a Kingsley Maiden preamp, where would those 2 pedals go? I assume Maiden into Two Notes then into H9 and Collider. Or H9 before he Maiden? I’m super confused 😅
Hey. Satisfied with your m+? Takes od/dist pedals well? Recently got a TC Electronic combo 65 which sounds really good clean, not too bad with ODS, but not ideal either... Wondering if m+ is doing a more realistic job.... ?🤔
Hey there. In the end I got rid of the M+. Chasing the tone become a nightmare and expensive. I went for a the UA Ruby and a couple other of their pedals into a DAW and could not be happier.
@@trafalgar622
On top of these effects I also use a Boss SY-1 guitar synth pedal to occasionally get a Pat Metheny-like guitar synth sound....where would that fit in the signal chain?
I use this quilter block cab simulator, get me to the correct impedance with a balanced signak but sounds bad.....
I use a compressor,drive,and reverb pedals that I run off a tri parallel mixer....
Helps but doesn't sound anything like headphones or an amp.....help???
Trying an EQ next.....
May I suggest the Fractal FM9 or FM3..?
It would be interesting to hear a comparison between this rig and one of the Fractal (3rd generation) units
Hey Mason, what do you think about the Walrus Audio ACS1?
Great! I like that each side can be a different amp L and R
This is what keeps me awake at night: I play an ampless rig but I can't wrap my head around putting the time based effects after the cab sim (room effect). It seems like you emulated an amp, a cab, and a microphone, and then ran all that into your time based effects. The iridium is a great product, but I wish it had an effects loop so I could get some sleep.
@@Otis-Isom that's what I do
its just like adding effects in post. If you think of it like that it makes a-lot more sense
@@mezzanine91 well I know thats what you do but you said it weirded you out conceptually so I was explaining how you could think about it.
You could always look at the dsm humboldt simplifier. It has an effects loop, and is analog
If you consider how you'd add in delays/reverbs/wet processing effects in a studio, that all comes after the microphone on the speaker cabinet. Very standard whether it's in Pro Tools or in a mix bus.
Gotta put that Sweetwater exclusive Iridium on there.
Didn't know there was one :)
Can I get your advice and how to order these : big sky, timeline, möbius, Loomer, tuner, boutique fuzz Russian muff clone. Thanks also what should I add having not taken the step into running midi (yet)
Watch our video on Understanding Signal Paths...all will be told :)
@@VertexEffectsInc got it. I guess I need a buffer maybe. Looking at the Strymon power supply now too. Probably just need to get on a plane and come your way 😂
Can you run something like this into a cabinet?
You would not be able to run it into a nonpowered speaker cabinet, as it’s a line level signal coming out of the pedalboard. But they do have flat response, full range, powered speakers (similar to a powered PA speaker) which you would be able to run directly into. I go out of mine into a high wattage, clean keyboard amp, which also works pretty well.
Have a pal who just put together a ampless rig with a SD Power Stage 700 and a cab
Nice!
What other affordable options do you recommend other than the Iridium?
Hmmm....the ones I have experience with are all around the same price.
@@VertexEffectsInc I thought about it.. It's basically like buying an amp. And 400$ for an amp is very reasonable
Conversely, do you need that many pedals when many amps from Boss, Yamaha, Blackstar or Fender, to name a few, come equipped with all sorts of effects?
Not until those effects can equal what their stand alone units can achieve sonically. There's a pretty large margin at this point.
I have to ask: why the tremolo pedal before the drive pedals?
That's how he likes it...no rules!!!
Jason your a joy to learn from Sir - I’m using iridium cuz I’m old and it’s a drag lugging gear.
Might you have a consultation service just to review set up- asking as I’m now considering your booster to increase signal to elevate during intros and solos?
Just need advise…
@2:47 I disagree. There is something beautiful about a slightly distorted reverb by the vox model of the Iridium
Preference is everything, just depends on the sound you want.
Hi Mason, I’ve been running ampless for a couple of years with an ES8 with a board full of Strymons, to include Iridium. I have everything going into the switcher, with pedal order set in the Loop Structure page. Does this truly represent a series setup structure as if the ES8 wasn’t part of the equation?
Yes, it's just pedals in series.
I'm going to use the SD Powerstage200 together with a bunch of pedals. Would you recommend using an output buffer? All pedals in front of the power amp?
If it's all on the pedalboard you shouldn't need an output buffer.
This is a great board and all of this is down to matters of taste (obviously this is a guy's custom board!), but it's just my opinion that putting the reverb and delays after the amp/cab sim is going to be lackluster for a lot of players. I feel like it kind of puts a blanket over those effects, as the speaker/resonance simulation delivers a very different attack to those effects. Like, you're expecting to get tight hi-fi repeats and crisp modulated reverbs, that is not the ticket.
if you want a studio application, the wet processing effects after the mic is how it would be done. It also depends on the amount of gain you're setting the Iridium for and the type of cab simulation. If you use a lot of gain on the amp sims on the Iridium with speaker distortion, it's going to be just like you put an overdrive after a delay pedal in front of a clean amp, not generally what most people would do for optimal performance.
Really great build! I just wanted to ask your thoughts on something like the Pinestripe Pedals Diso+ after the pedals to match the levels a bit more for the FOH or direct signal to the recording interface? It’s beyond me, but I’d always want the best tone / signal for recording. Thanks!
With something like this, you shouldn't need any sort of DI, the output impedance is low - 100 ohms with any decent guitar cable you should be able to drive 100 or more feet without any degradation.
Agree with the Rig Dr's assertion that a buffered/low impedance signal will drive an unbalanced signal up to 100ft. If you are running into a recording interface, there should be no problems. However, if you are playing on a stage, you'll likely need some way to convert to XLR to connect to the snake. This can be accomplished in many ways..but keep in mind that if you connect the Iridium directly to a mixer and phantom power is accidentally applied, it will quickly KILL the Iridium's outputs. Anything with transformers will prevent damage as will an active DI. Keep in mind that most passive DIs will drop the signal level by 15 to 20dB. This can usually be made up by cranking the channel gain. We designed the DISO+ with 1 to 1 Jensen line isolation transformers to keep the signal level at the original level, convert from 1/4 inch unbalanced to XLR balanced, allow ground lifting (not possible with a 1/4 inch guitar cable connection). In addition it has 1/4 inch outputs that can be used to connect to a powered speaker for monitoring and can be used at the same time as the XLRs. HTH!
Wow, thank you both for taking the time to reply!
Just wondering where you would place a Vocal harmonizing pedal like a TC Helicon Harmony two. After the Iridium or before?
I put mine before everything so that the pedal is getting the cleanest signal from the guitar to work out what chords are being player
I'm curious about the interface box. I typically run stereo straight into the front of 2 amps, but sometimes like to run my pedalboard into a single amp with an effects loop. It appears I could build this same interface box and use for that purpose?
Just watched your mono sum video, so probably not ideal to build an interface box to do both a stereo and mono setup (unless I unplug R on the final pedal and run/pan L), thanks for the great videos!
Yes, we have a video on how to do that and diagrams in our buffer interface tutorial.
What’s the Sweetwater link to the stereo breakout cable?
www.sweetwater.com/c780--Vertex_Effects--Insert_Y_Cables
@@VertexEffectsInc Thanks. Just ordered two of them!
Nice video! Is there an advantage to setting the iridium up in stereo if I’m already using delay and verb in stereo post iridium?
hello everyone! i was wondering if anyone can help me with my rig, im considering buying a joyo british sound, but im wondering if need another cabsim pedal on my rig. Ive seen people talk about how the joyo ampsims have an outdated cabsim in it. Or another alternative, should i just buy a mooer preamp 002, which already have a proper cabsim in it? *(currently building my first pedalboard and on a strict budget)*
Just get the new tonex mini instead. It'll. Sound better
I have all the Joyo’s and they work great. I don’t know why someone would say they are outdated.
Would you put a buffer before a pod go? It doesn't have one. I don't know how much it's going to affect the pod go, if at all.
You should Google search whether the POD is already buffered. Most of these types of units already have one.
@The Tone Lounge it's not. I haven't heard any difference between the sounds from the pod go and the helix, though. Tons of people claim there is.
@Andrew Stonerock if it doesn't, then you would benefit from having one.
If you use a really long cable going into the unit, typically anything over 10 feet, then put a buffer on input.
Same applies to your output, only if it's a TS cable. If you have an XLR out then you are all set.
@@TheToneLounge we use 1/4 out to our power stages and xlr to foh.
@@AndrewStonerock then you just need a buffer out to your power amp (if you have a long cable run).
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey Mason,is there a way I can boost a line level signal??…..I have an old 1989 Marshall 9005 stereo rack power amp…..it was designed to pair with the matching Marshall preamp,which was -10db to -20db on the output,so the 9005 is expecting a loud signal on its input…….In my application,plugging a pedal,or load box into it,you have to really crank the volume to get the needed volume levels…it’s not putting out its full potential without a hotter signal going into it…….not sure how to do this…
So you're trying to drive the power amp with a pedal?
@@VertexEffectsInc kind of…….It’s a wet dry wet system……my line out of a load box feeds a Micropitch,Delay and Reverb pedal,which connects to the A and B inputs of the power amp…..
Someone ought to come out with a mini volume pedal like that (with LEDs).
Would a GT1000 Core with as ampless?
It has some preamp models...not sure about power amps or cabs.