The Nadeshot vs Froste Drama Explained
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- Опубликовано: 31 авг 2022
- A former member of 100T has accused the org of not paying them enough money to eat.
This was huge - and the controversy has only got bigger since Nadeshot, 100 Thieves’ CEO, responded to the accusation in detail. Let’s break this down.
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This video also didn't cover that the mob trashed that house and a video crew from 100T had to clean the whole house when they went for a shoot because the mob just didn't clean anything which as adults with your own place is pretty embarrassing and shows a massive lack of work ethic
It wasn’t The Mob it was just Frost that’s why he’s the only one saying anything like this and one of the other me never said they put in the hours but Frost pretty much fucked the others over by not working and using what little money he had on gambling streams and other things
@@frozenregulus9527 Actually if you look at Devin Nash's video, he pulls up the stats at 15 mins. All TOGETHER they totaled 40 hrs a week. Which adult doesn't put in 40 hrs a week??? And Frost dares call himself a grown ass man. Classy put in 20, Frost put in 10 and the other two 5 hours each a week....
This video missed alot of ponts
To be fair, based on what Pokimane has said on the Trashtaste podcast, it seems pretty normal for streamers to have a dirty house. Even talking about having fruitflys so bad they got a bug zapper. And that was her experience despite the house paying a maid to clean their house every 2 weeks.
I’m sure they have a lack of work ethic, but I don’t think their cleaning habits have much to do with it.
@@WARnTEA massive difference. One is self employed the other one is employed and getting a salary. Means the employed is obligated to work a certain amount of hours per week and the self employed has to take care for himself. (meaning if you have good self discipline then you are good but if not you are certainly fcked.)
sounds like a young dude, who was extremely culture shocked at the opportunity he was given, and chose to maximise the “fun” aspect of it in the wrong ways vs planning how to maintain it. froste had a great thing, just didn’t have the discipline required to keep it.
imagine you are getting a deal of let's say 200k and you only get 15k out of it does it make sense to you?
@@kzuv7615 cmon bro -_-
@@kzuv7615 this is like negotiating for wages when you are a fresh vs experience hire. They had no leverage behind them to negotiate for a better deal.
@@kzuv7615 The problem is that it isn't just 200k. The 85% or so is just from brand sponsorships. Streamers actually get a lot of their money from other places like donations, primes, merch etc. which was never mentioned to be part of the 85%.
So yes, you just get 15k out of 200k, but you also get 100% of all the other revenue that you get from other sources. It's not too bad of a deal especially if at the start they were not making any much revenue to begin with. If they actually did more to their content, then they actually get more money.
@@kzuv7615 bro ur hopeless🤦♂️
The thing I remember most about the mob, is when they were on the courage and Nadeshot show, and Nade said like 15 times that they had to start making content. 🤷🏼♂️
The arguement fell apart quickly once he said the internet was "sooooo bad", go bother the internet providers, why even bring this up? These guys should really learn from JHB, that guy is awkward af, work in 100T as an intern at first (as in never was supposed to be one of their talents) , but ended up with his own show
JHB was the video editor for the mob honestly the only thing to come from the mob in those two years was JHB
@@Thenerdyskater classify worked really hard as well iirc
@@controlcon well you got a point he does grind his ass off and Ava has the skate opportunity
They did contact the internet providers, it was actually an entire joke about how bad spectrum was across all of their streams, if you watch many of the Mobcast or PistachioTalk vods back you can see this.
@@k4ng4roo78 sure but like it’s part of your job to get it fixed. When my shit went out during COVID best believe I bugged spectrum none stop for 3 days. I’m assuming they had a business line installed they push you up the list. Sucks it never got fixed but dealing with those assholes for 10 years you can get it fixed if you bug them enough
From my pov. Froste is just a spoiled brat who were handed a pro career starter pack at early days of an org and now reminiscing why his career hasnt taken off and took the blame on the org for his lack of success and skill
True
The more I listen and learn the more it seems like the mob should have just been making content. Because content brings in the cash flow. Like nade and courage said multiple times whenever they were here.
honestly i'd say it was just froste
none of the other mob guys backed up froste during this, they kinda stayed out of it
and as nadeshot says in his stream, the other mob guys were definitely putting work, especially classify
he's been in a few 100T vids since
froste actually disproved himself on the 10k hour thing, there was a clip of him looking up house prices and there were houses for half the price on the same region
@@Ethereal6541 not to mention those are rent prices today… more likely to have been cheaper back then
@@tonypham3919 Oh definitely lol and then he says never mind and goes to the next point to whine about
Froste is such a melodramatic man child. Glad to see his "edgelord" behaviour has caught up to him. While I do not think either side is 100% innocent, Froste has always acted rudely and unprofessionally.
So let me get this straight, these 4 kids decided to get a four bedroom house that cost their entire paycheck for all four of them on their own accord. When in reality they could have doubled up in bedrooms for a cheaper house.
Got 15% (possibly 35%) in sponsorship money because of the Organization they joined (100T) but didnt do anything to get it themselves but thought they deserved more. Including an extra 2500 for content creation.
Had high tier creators they could have asked for advice, help, or scheduling that only lived a few miles away. And on top of that Nadeshot, after being told not to sign them, stuck their neck out for them...
And then this man-child has the audacity to say 60k a year wasn't enough for a base pay and he was mistreated after only streaming 40 hours a month while I work 40 hours in 3 days 😂 and he thinks he was done wrong? Only a 12 year old wouldn't understand the monumental chance he was given by Nadeshot and 100T.
they were bareley in their 20's a huge org like 100t wanting you and your friends to join sounds like a dream come true for most content creator their size it would get them more exposure and grow their platforms. 100t is a predatory half a billion dollar company that preys on young content creators who don't understand these things. 60k a year is nothing in LA, they have a 173.3 cost of living (100 being the country average) 60k is barely the average yearly income in the united states, let alone being in the most expensive part of LA.
you people are so stupid 100t taking 85% of the sponsorship money from their own players and streamer 85% not just 100t most eSports team does this is predetory imagine you working and you boss take 85% of your salary and only give you 15% it's ridiculous
@@kaayel5646 true said every single word
I like how people say 60k is nothing… it’s enough to get by… especially when u have 3 others making 60k… but u know don’t listen to the UPS driver that made 60k in LA
@@NinjahGamingFun > 60k means nothing in LA
you know that means you can barely get anything there with 60k yearly right?
So what I'm getting from the situation is:
Yes the financial split was predatory. But...
No the financial split was not abnormal for similar orgs
No the financial split was likely not malicious in any way
Also Froste does not seem like the smartest kid. For several of the things he did throughout this whole thing. It was stupid for him to pick this fight.
PenguinZ0 made a good video on the sponsorship cut. 85% is straight up robbery. 15% and at most 20% is standard.
@@ACE112ACE112 you are capable of declining the offer.. correct?
The sponsorship aspect is predatory, but outside of that they got paid a good salary and could keep all of their RUclips and Twitch revenue. So the Mob had more than enough incentive to work from themselves while still getting a great starting-point-pay
85% when the org has all the risk and all the people have to do is work. How much exposure did they have before joining ?
@@glp Yeah thats what I mean. Its not like they made bad money or anything but its been pointed out that a much larger chunk of that sponsorship money could and probably should have gone to them. But if its industry standard I dont really blame the org too much for doing what everyone else does.
I would like to believe froste. But he and the former mob memebers hasnt shown proof that they worked their asses off. There are visible proof that you worked your asses off. Also dont start an arguement on twitter. Be upfront with Nade about these situations. He is an adult and throwing twitter shade just adds on to the evidence that he still needs maturing to do.
to be fair, Classify did after all of this drama came out show on twitter that he had kept a log of all the content he was doing in 100t around march 2021 and that he was trying to get resigned, even if the rest of the mob didnt, just didnt work out for him
@@brandonharrington2110 Feels bad for Classify, he got wrong people around him while he has his own dreams
@@brandonharrington2110 they also had to cut a lot of people this year in fear of a recession making it harder to pay their top earners or most necessary staff because if things inflated too much, they wouldn't have been able to offset the difference for everyone. I don't know if that would impact him getting rehired, but thought it's worth mentioning because 100T and many other organizations and companies started cutting people a couple months ago across the nation in fear of a drastic recession. Some places are rehiring again where they need it
I remember when the mob got signed to 100t and was like who are these randoms on 100t, proceeded to never see any content from them and I still wonder why they were signed at all.
??? they were like in every 100t video and got clowned on by everyone the whole time
Seeing slime's tweet portrayed as a perfect sum-up of the situation is insanely funny to me, he's just based like that
"Raucous yasqueening" is an expression and a half. Lol
@Charlie Thompson you are the only one that doesn't know
@@n3LLyyy based is only said by cringe babies
wheither or not the contract was predatory does not exactly matter, they brought in very little revenue from being a small creator and it was nearly industry standard. At the end of the day you signed the contract and you had an ability to negotate that deal. You got paid 2500 a month which is about 30 grand a year as base salary with the ability to earn more off your content. You chose the house, you had the ability to ask the org for help and you failed to do so. Froste picked the wrong battle and essentially lied his ass off.
I think that 2500 was extra money for them to use on content, in the vid they said they were making 66k a year. I might be wrong tho idk
it should have been both, 2500 for each person as well as 2500 budget a month for videos and content. i think the 66k was from sponsorship deals
Also he decided to work just 40 hours(1week) out of a whole month
@@jornlos6785 66k a year if they got 100% of the sponsorship money they will get 100k minimum on 1 deal while in this case 100t is taking 85% of all the sponsorship money and 100t have dozen of streamer and content creator sign by them imagine how much money 100t is getting by this predetory tactics
@@kzuv7615 welp they are paying staff, part of the org, organizer, producer etc i dunno you name more position that you can think of, its really hard to manage. lets just say that 66k per year is good enough and Froste had that chance to make income higher but failed to do so. Just my opinion, sorry for bad english.
Honestly Nade handled it like an adult, but I feel bad for the Mob cause it seems like they realised they blew a once in a life-time opportunity.
I know pretty much everyone has weighed in on this drama but I think there was this one thing that Liz mention that I haven’t heard until this video.
it clearly shows the immaturity that Froste handled the whole two years with, summarized in one point: the fact that he thought Nadeshot would send him home because he couldn’t afford his next meal, if he were to ask for help.
I’ve been in a similar position before and quite frankly the distrust shows quite a low level of maturity because people like Nadeshot (who I’ve known since 2014 and I’ve seen, is very down to earth) wouldn’t do what he thought and he would instead help him.
after seeing this video i have checked the old footage of the first time nadeshot came to the house and he seemed very confused about their decisions about how they are going to use the money. from the house they chose to rent to the furniture and equipment they chose to buy. we can understand here that nadeshot did want to give them freedom and responsibality. i think he should have bring them someone to supervise the fainancial side not hold the money but using it the right way it might could have worked for both sides
link to video pls?
Nadeshot do said in his stream they were thinking of bringing a Production Manager for the Mob but they were already over invested in the group with no content creation.
@@emmanuelobodozie713 Search "The worst house in Esports"
bro its literally explain in video he paid them 2,500 free money to use and 2,500 for content creation/stream gear. So, they were managed for 30k per year and other 30k was freedom.
@@johnsmith4187 he did give them amount for gear and freedom but also it needed to be used for the rent and they chose a 10,000$ house which is stupid they could rent an avarage house like allot of content creators that live with other partners its not that unccommon this days for streamers
Let’s do the math :
200K deal where they made 65%
2.5K per month for content creation.
Let’s say the other two deals were 100K and nadeshot took 85% and 65% .
75K (.35 percent of 200K deal)+ 150K ( 2 other sponsorship deals) -180K (salary) - 30K ( content creation budget)= 15K net
And the net doesn’t include all the salaries for staff that has to pay out to help them which would probably be an additional 20-60K based on often the staff had to help.
Seems like they realized how junior the Mob was and was nervous on giving them a higher rev share.
You missing his twitch earnings. He made 109k and not including side casino sponsors he ded. He was gambling ton money. So, he was making around $300k.
@@johnsmith4187 true but my math is mainly how much 100T was netting from the Mob. Since 100T mainly only make money from sponsorship deals that they bring to the Mob, they were ultimately losing money having these three on board.
@@yeahokay4549 yea it's crazy people don't see this as the golden ticket to 4 people with 100viewership. This during covid epidemic too peak lockdown. If you look up median income in Los Angeles was 30k. So, having this financial stability, living in 3 million dollar house, best streaming gear, and ordering door dash 3x day.
These guys were playing video games 9 hours per week. Outside people were suffering. It's seems like people have amnesia. Nurses and Doctors were having mental breakdowns on youtube. Mass evictions and layoffs were happening. Scummy landlords cutting peoples utlities. Froste out here complains it was hard times like it was great depression for him.
the best part of froste's stream was him getting on zillow to look at houses in the same are and finding houses finding cheaper houses in todays economy than the one they were in... also when he was ending stream someone asked where the proof was and he literally said why do i need proof why would I lie about this
4 young guys who were popular on twitter for tweeting funny shit got brought into an organization so they can translate their twitter success to Twitch/RUclips success. They suddenly realized that it wasn’t so easy to create content (except Classy, he actually grinded) soo they just tried to rely on their salaries to survive in LA instead of earning their own money by producing content. They didn’t take advantage of the opportunity. A lot of creators wish they could have a secure salary while producing content and trying to grow. Most people have regular jobs and do content on their free time. These guys had free time 24/7 and instead of capitalizing on it they were lazy and expected 100Thieves to pretty much be their parents and take care of them.
Realistically, if you capitalize properly while being on 100T, you don’t even need them by the time your contract is over. To try and victimize yourself by failing at such an incredible opportunity just shows such a great lack in self awareness. Mind blowing that those people have gotten as far as they have.
85% does not seem predatory to me in this instance. 100T make the deals and bring the sponsors to The Mob. All they gotta do is the sponsor integration (sponsored tweet, sponsored video segment, etc). If 100T don't take 85% of the deals, then how tf else are they gonna make money by signing The Mob? They are already investing enormous amounts of money in them. 60k salaries for each member, pay for production crews/equipment, pay for the people actually making the deals on behalf of The Mob, paying for stream/content related equipment, etc. Then at the end, 100T didn't even end up taking the 85% cut. The Mob took 65% for 2 of the 3 sponsor deals. This is more than generous if you ask me.
predatory or not, get a lawyer when signing things that big
I think Charlie a.k.a Moist Critkal summed it up perfectly, that 15% is enough to cover the expenses of sponsorship to social media and other places and still make a profit of it, since he also sponsors pro players and anything beyond 20% is predatory for the org and is taking advantage of its players since they're the actual one doing the heavy lifting.
@@fenixmartin854 loads of bs
Agreed. 85% of a deal that 💯 thieves found, and negotiated with the mob only taking the appearance fee including the 15% sounds reasonable to me. If they took 85% of a sponsor that the mob negotiated would be sus but that wasn’t the case
@@fenixmartin854 This depends entirely upon the value of the sponsorships. For the bigger creators under 100T, they probably have a much different split because the sponsorships for say Valkyrae are worth much more. But for a group like The Mob, who most people didn't even know were signed to 100T, the sponsor deals are gonna be way less dollar value so 100T would have to take a larger split to make profit. This is why in esports, and in entertainment at large, smart people have provisions in their contracts to have the ability to re-negotiate every year. If your brand grew in value over that year, you re-negotiate your contract to get a more favorable split.
You sign an agreement, you get into a lease you know you can't afford, you don't manage your finances, you don't have any responsibility or accountability, and then you want to come back months after the fact to try and defame someone to fight your case? What case?
I'm sorry, I'm not going to have sympathy for someone who steered their very slow moving ship into a wall while seemingly doing nothing to prevent it. Least of which someone who has the luxury of playing games for a living. But maybe this is the reality check that someone like Froste needed. Nobody else in 100T is playing along, and in fact, they are saying the opposite. Bad idea Froste.
Every time I find twitter in shambles, over some esports drama, about content creators who I don't know who they are, I can always count on the escore esports uncle to spoonfeed the news in a nice format LMAO
to anyone reading this go watch devin nash's newest video on the subject it will be a lot more detailed on the facts and more clear on the situation than this video was able to cover but this still a solid vid just for anyone who wanted to be aware of the situation
Surprised that 100 thieves even hired this guy. Literally never heard about him.
Well, tbf, it was a group of which Froste was a part of.
Every1 hears 85% and throws literally everything out the window.
Froste individually made over 120k in 2 years just from 100T in salary/sponsors. The Mob (4 people) made in 2 years, half a Million dollars!!!
Froste in 2 years streamed an average of 40h a month (people work that many hours a week lol)
Also they had a monthly budget of 2,5k for content.
Plus Froste tweeted (& then deleted) said making 60k+ was nothing, basically mocking half of the workers in America!!
Froste is just frustrated that he had a GOLDEN opportunity but failed it's his own Fault!! Froste didn't put the work in Simple as that
60k BEFORE TAXES, $2500 a month BEFORE TAXES. Since they were considered contractors they dont get healthcare, vacation time, or overtime. Which means they were not taking home anything close to $2500 a month.
@@zo_leo8401 the 2,5k isn't before taxes dude. This a monthly budget that they had to cover expenses. If they wanted a microphone , pc, editing software & other content stuff they would pass it to 100T to pay it up to a maximum of 2.5k a month
@@joao.pereira their salary was $2500 a month. That’s before taxes since they are independent contractors they pay the IRS directly. The other $2500 was for content creation not their salary. That may have not been taxed but it was definitely written off by the org as a work expense
@@zo_leo8401 None one is saying they were rich af. The made decent starting money & had funds to help finance their content setup, plus any money they made from streaming RUclips etc was all theirs, 100T didn't touch any of that money. They just didn't work 33 youtube videos in 2 years + Froste 40h a month average stream. Not surprise they failed at all. Partying all the time without putting any actual work
I always wanted to see Nadeshot angry. I think the man’s a survivor/fighter. And the stuff they say and do can be huge or infamous. I wouldn’t piss the man off myself if I ever had the chance. I’m not ready for the fire.
Honestly siding with Nade on this one.
Some people are failing to realize that the $60k a year each member earned wasn’t meant to be their main source of income. It was just to help pad their expensive of daily living. The bulk of their money was meant to be earned through their content creation. Which was what they were signed for in the first place, to be content creators for 100T. However, they just simply didn’t put in the work. At the end of the day this was supposed to be their full time job and if you breaker down each members’ hours. Classify was roughly putting only 20 hours a week into streaming. With the Froste steaming about 9-10 hours a week, Avalanche streaming 5 hours a week, and Mako streaming 4 hours. No one came even close to putting in enough hours to even be considered having a full time job. Classify barely putting in hours to be counted as a “part-time” job. The entire Mob crew just simply didn’t work enough despite being allotted so much resources. They have to take accountability and understand that what was being offered to them was more than enough to make a comfortable living in LA if they had just streamed full time like they should’ve.
Secondly, 85% may seem like a lot and it is but at the end of the day it’s a business. 100T needs to see a positive return of investment and the only way to do that was being able to take UP TO 85% of sponsorship revenue if they were to enforce it, which they didn’t do every single time. 100T were investing at least $240k a year into the Mob and needed to make that money back (plus more) somehow since they weren’t taking revenue from streaming, YT, etc… Again, 85% is a lot don’t get me wrong but at the same time it seems very logical for that to have taken place to even gain something from investing $240k a year into a group of individuals who aren’t even that huge to begin with and are allowing to let them pocket all other forms of incomes aside from sponsorships.
You seem to check his twitch earnings, which was leak. He was making 109k from twitch alone and did ton gambling casino sponsorships. How else do you think he was able to afford 3 million dollar house and door dash 3x day. I'm guessing he gamble all his money in to nfts and poker. This why he came back to farm drama donations and gamble more.
This is what we call, trying to be spoonfeed.
Frosts expect 100T to do and supply everything to them and they just shake their legs for the salaries? Come on
if someone's taking 50% of my revenue, then I sure as hell expect to be spoon fed half the time.
@@scrispy995 if someone sponsoring 50+% of my expenses I sure as hell be giving them some money back
@@scrispy995 but they arent
@@scrispy995 It was 35% of the revenue and they also had a portion of their rent paid for and $2500 a month specifically for making content. How could they be any less spoonfed. Just a few too many stupid decisions.
Thank you for breaking this situation down. 🙏 thankfully this wasn't serious unlike what other organizations go through. Praying events that have happened over seas never happen in NA.
Love that last bit talking about your take on what we’re really seeing here. Solid vids as always.
Kinda reminds me of the whole Call Her Daddy/Barstool situation. Someone had a chance at life-changing amounts of money and all they had to do is do something they were already doing, MAYBE at a bigger capacity. And they still managed to fumble the bag. I am a man, dying of thirst, watching another man drown
The Mobs content was just whack. End of the story.
I find it unbelievable that Nadeshot would request someone be 15 minutes from his home. To me it would make sense if it was 15 minutes from the office or compound or whatever it is 100 Thieves has.
The more I get infos, the more I found what an entitled manchild froste is. Damn a stream hour of 40 a MONTH. I work more that a week getting paid less.
Besides the home they were paying for they were making 66k a year.
Plus the 2500 a month which equals 30k a year they had more than enough to survive.
I’m curious if the 66k a year was an endorsement thing. Or if that was separate from that number.
To me this is simply a case where the mob being young and inexperienced in life lead them to making a series of very bad depictions financially.
Or the fact that 100t we're the ones that did the deals with sponsors and not the mob. They got their portion of the deals made by 100t . Or the fact that they ordered door dash constantly. Might've been more affordable to buy groceries instead.
Do they even have a YT channel or a platform anywhere? I searched them up and see nothing but videos relating to this drama
same
Ngl even though the mob wrecked their chances, I do think like most companies that the people at the bottom get treated the worst. Doesn't matter if courage or Brooke speak up for Nade, they're already at the top. Would honestly like to see what those working at the bottom in 100 thieves say because that will be a real judge on Nades character and how he treats those that aren't on his level but really below him.
When I was applying for army, we're living in a $40/month house (divided by 3 because I have 2 other roommates). We're grateful it has a working cr and we have an air-con...tinuous.
Many people are dying for opportunities and that opportunity was served to them in a silver platter. Don't even talk about them being in their early 20's as most of the adults starts working in their early 20's.
I feel like they need to a little bit more accountability. I’m in a similar situation where I got this job and I was told I was going to do this this and that and then it turned out to be much more than that but at the end of the day I signed the contract and I have options . I can literally ask for a raise or I can be like those kids and just take advantage of the org being sloppy and doing the bare minimum etc or if not just leave. I think they did the latter and should stop blaming the org but then again I might understand why they’re doing that because of everyone telling them they’re lazy etc and then trying to defend themselves by saying hey look I was in a crappy contract which at first sounded great but then I realized was crappy. I guess this situation isn’t good for them but it is good for others to know about in case they decide to join in org like this one that takes advantage of people who don’t know how much they should expect.
what I think happens was that a group of an individual adult left the mom's house for the firth time and didn't know how to take every responsibility. netshot probably left then with too much responsibility and they fuck up without a guide.
If a company requires me to live in X or Y place and to live with my coworkers, they need to pay for the housing facilities, with individual bedrooms, and sound isolation, or I'm not taking that offer.
getting paid $2500 a month while being forced to live in LA is so insane 😭😭😭😭 like how does no one see this
What sucks about this, is that the Nick Mercs situation is still in people’s minds and people might believe the Mob just off that alone.
I think while they didn't use the opportunities they were given the best or have the best work ethic the contract does seem exploitative.
Oh ya, streamers an youtubers definitely known for their hard work ethic 😂 Literally all the people who dont want to work hard take up these professions, clown comment. Capitalism brain, what human wants to work hard for little money, its only natural to want to work the least you can for the most money. You're Cringe.
Most of the work was done by 100T. I don't think it's that predatory if that's the case. Also, they get 100% of other revenue streams, so that means if they actually stream a lot more and made content, they could easily get more money.
not really predatory when ur a 100 viewer andy no? also content creators and streamers they signed prolly have a better % because they have bigger numbers. in the end, it's all business nothing personal.
Frosty worked 50hrs a fucking month, that’s insane and very disrespectful. He was put on by Nade after being a mod and was given a shot the fuckers decided not to work, they got bent outta shape because they signed the dotted line and didn’t put any fucking effort into what they were doing.
You don’t go from nothing to making thousands, being put on by your boss, then act like your owed something when you don’t deliver on the work. If they were streaming 8hrs a day 5 days a week they woulda made the other 1000$ they needed. The worst part about all of this is the “85% revenue retention” you should never sign that it’s easy to see that you’re being ripped off
Just a couple things
1.he’s the only member of The Mob bashing on 100T kinda weird
2.Frost found cheaper houses around where they were recently which means some were probably cheaper back then
3.They got a free house for having 100T in their names without having to really work so people saying they got scammed for that not really but ok
4.The “up to 85%” is not predatory because if the deal was $200000 for all 4 they made 3 months rent (a piece) for it and that’s more than any sponsor they would have got at 300 viewers with no brand tied to them
5.Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk
When this was happening in real time I told myself “I can’t wait for theScore video of this”
Froste is a guy who's never has a job where he really had to work he wanted everything handed to him and be spoonfed and when that didn't happen he threw a fit 😂😂😂
I have only 1 thing to say. Froste complained about living 15 minutes close to Matt's house and it's an expensive place. Why didn't they talk it out? How did they even come to a decision about something so complex without properly investing your time into it? Did they sing the contract before moving to LA or what? When I was a god damn 16 year old, I invested weeks to what earbuds I wanted to buy. (I'm 24 now) How did their parents not help them with these huge decisions?
Froste was just a lazy bum that expected to be spoonfed the entire way. Like who tf complains about working 40h a month 🤣 and in his case it's basically gaming/content for 40h a month
If 100T had to know everything bout the house before signing and moving in (and you KNOW they had to), why didn't org step in then? Everything started w/ the house, that makes org responsible for all that came afterward (including the trashed house in the end) which points out the org is/was incompetent from the start
Was not expecting the Slime tweet to show up at the end. Lmao
Man yall defending froste are crazy and entitled. You got an org who is pushing you and providing a 60k salary... 60 fucking K but yall tripping over 85% when they took 65% from 2 out of 3 sponsorships... froste is as entitled as kids are now a days. How you gonna be mad at a contract you signed to make CONTENT BUT never made the content...
bro froste being lazy or not is immaterial to the predatory nature of the contract
a contract allowing a company to take up to 85% of a brand deal is predatory, even if they don’t exercise that portion. even the 35% they did take is much higher than it should be
@@inmanis2924 It's 35% from a sponsor THEY found them on top of 100T letting them keep all youtube and twitch revenue and their high salaries for doing the bare minimum
The contract was ass by all means, but lets not act like they worked for what they did get
@@inmanis2924 was giving these adults contracts 60k salary plus a budget allocated strictly for streaming related equipment a fair deal for the output they produced at the end of the day? It seems to me froste only relied on the " gifted " money and never actually worked for his money that would've been 100% guaranteed for him and no one else.
@@inmanis2924 no one said the 85% isn't predatory, we can all come to an agreement that it should've been a 60% 40% split mainly due to the fact 100t covered EVERY EXPENSE without any GAINS FINANCIALLY.
wait isnt the reason the mob was broke was because they werent doing enough??? i thought they agreed on a budget and a monthly payment from nadeshot. so your telling me that froste took the deal saying he'll receiver 2500 a month and then asked for more when he couldve earned it ? ANYONE TELL ME IF IM WRONG OR RIGHT
Seems to me that Froste didn't use the opportunities and resources he was given to the full potential and now that he's in the dirt he wants to throw shade at 100T even though it seems to me that they gave the MOB everything they needed to get their feet off the ground and the rest was on them. They decided to be lazy and not work and just expected 100T to keep handing them money for their lack of dedication to their job.
He blamed everyone else except himself for the lack of motivation and efforts.....I still don't know how he even got signed onto 100T in the first place.....
I find it hard to believe the whole internet thing, I mean.. I live in North Dakota, and this of all places has the ability to have more than "1 line" per house. and in the "center of LA" doesn't have that ability?? Interesting take.
The contract wasn't great but 100T and nade gained ZERO from "exploting" the mob lmao who barely had viewership.
Considering they still let them keep 65%, yet the mob didnt really put in the actual work, you dont work you dont get paid
they would also gain nothing from funding such a low viewership content team. its so generous that they had 100T in their name to begin with. considering they kept all twitch and youtube revenue is great. they had a set salary and lived in such a content filled city. they just didnt work as hard as they shoudlve. other people would work way harder to get what they have.
@@martianfn2012 THIS SO MUCH
I wish they covered what Devin Nash had to say
and yet froste was on a wildcat poker stream and had to call the fucking bank because he kept losing and taking more and more money out so they locked his account. the dude doesnt understand the difference between losing money to make money (never made any real content) and just straight losing money. (just relying on the 100T check and not doing any real work)
Froste "We had no money to buy food, but I won't clean up the doordash i've ordered everyday for the past month because its part of my streaming aesthetic"
100T gave them the platform needed to succeed and they threw it away.
Mob barely did anything and 💯 thieves paid them the minimum and mutually parted way. Mob got way more than they should have (imagine getting paid 60k/year for doing nothing). Seems like froste is depressed that he was given all the opportunity to succeed but didn’t and now is blaming nade for his downfall
My mom mom always told me you can't blame one without the other. So sounds a little sketchy on both sides
You really can that’s like saying if you gave me $20000 to start out and I was homeless in a year I could blame you for not giving me $30000 that’s pretty much what happened
@@frozenregulus9527 yes you are right 💯 but you think maybe the group should have got together and look over the paperwork with a lawyer to oversee everything or to double checking everything before signing anything before making a deal so that's why I said can't blame one but not the other they should have looked at the contracts a little bit better that's all I'm saying
@@phantombig1 should they have got a lawyer? Yes but it still a good deal and the reason is because first they basically got a free house which they chose to do they got 2500 a piece every month and that’s their rent Frost looked up houses and found cheaper ones to rent recently than the house back then which means they were probably cheaper back then too and after all of that he just didn’t work and the others were trying to cover for him so the ship started to sink
@@frozenregulus9527 💯 but to me just looking at it all in general it was a bad business deal nothing they could do about it at the end of the day they got paid they got screwed and that's how it's going to go. But something about Nate shot he's two of a nice guy I watched him for years Call of Duty scene. On camera he could be a nice guy but behind the camera when it comes to money it's a different story so who knows all I'm saying is Money Talks bs walks. I fell for the group.
The only time I saw relevant mob content was in the main channel or other's content. They want to do everything and have fun without doing any work and having any consequences.
People wish to get into streaming and making a living off of it. But they don't realize the amount of work you have to put into to make this a sustainable lifestyle. As big as 100T is, they're still struggling. Froste didn't put in the work that was needed from him.
I did not think the were big enough to have everything spooned to them so they probably wouldn’t have the same benefits as the other content creators. I.e. 3 sponsored contracts in 2 years
If he got paid 1650 and didnt live alone.. id say it was 4 minimum.. thats 625 a month.. you can afford that.. but im not closing the book shut i just thought that was a weird
So they got a 60k base salary, plus commissions, and an equipment stipend per month....plus they kept all of their RUclips and Twitch revenue? Sounds like they could have easily been clearing 100k if they worked normal hours (9-5ish).
yeah, the only real issue here is the 85% they were still allowed to take. that's beyond high for someone who just gets deals for you.
Boys. I’m 34 years old. I’m not a famous streamer but I’ve been around the gaming block, a few times. IMO and it’s been this for a long time. I wouldn’t believe nadeshot if he told me the sky was blue.
I watch a clip of froste's stream saying, he doesn't need evidence and what-not. 🤣 Sure the deal might be predatory but saying this at his age doesn't really bode well now does it?! 🤣🤣
Its just words against words. Does any side provided evidence of what are they claming? If not than there is no reason to side with anyone i this drama
Well see the problem with that is Froste provided proof to what Nadeshot said and shot himself in the foot about how how they could have got a cheaper place he got on a site to look at houses and found others for cheaper now then it was back then which is saying something
Slime really has a way with words
This is what pisses me off. When people have it to good for them. First and foremost, I’m Asian. As everyone know by the stereotype, we had to be nurses doctors lawyers and etc. I’m 26 and grew up in the era with nadeshot and scump. I envied them because I wanted to be like them. Game, stream and make a living out of it. I love nadeshot because of his upcoming. I grew up in the lower class and my family had to worry about what we were going to eat every night. Both my parents were working 2 jobs and in school full time. I grew up around my grandparents. Therefore, I couldn’t chase my dream of being a steamer because I knew that I needed to help my parents out. If I streamed and 100T offered me 60k a year to stream, make content and sell sponsors, I would’ve fucking take that in a heartbeat. As of now, I’m a machine operator making roughly 40k a year and I fucking hate my job. Waking up at 5, drive an hour to work and get off at 3:30, drive another hour home and then have about 3-4 hours to my fiancé and myself. A lot of other people have it worse and yet these guys couldn’t get the fact that they had it good. $2500 free for content every month, 60k yearly salary by just waking up and turning on a few electronics and then getting more views cause I’m in the fastest growing org, 100t, would be a fucking blessing.
Also, you get paid by what you bring to the fucking damn table. If you need example, look at tiger woods. Made the game of golf better by getting higher winnings and placing. Nobody really paid attention to golf until tiger came. Sure there’s jack, Arnie and Gary and so on but they didn’t impact the sport like tiger. Nike and titleist blew up cause of him. And guess what? He’s making over 100mill of of his sponsors cause he brings break to the table. Need another? Jordan. Although we know about the shit they be doing to factory workers but mfers still be buying $300 shoes that only takes about $50 to make. You gotta bring shit to the table if you want to make more. If 100t was so bad, why hasn’t Valkyrae or courage left? Valkyrae, a beautiful woman would still be making a lot of money without 100t with the amount of simp on her stream. Same with fucking courage. Dude is a phenomal and hilarious guy and I haven’t met him. He could be fine off alone without and org. Damn nadeshot should just sign us who wants to make gaming content a living but can’t afford to do so. It’ll be a fucking blessing. Don’t bite the fucking hands that feed you.
i think it be a great idea to make a video about Broky
Complain at California for apparently not being able to eat.
I live in San Francisco, the third most expensive place in the US and ahead of LA, and I'm telling you my rent is FAR less than 10k a month. LOL
froste is just an entitled kid that expected to be spooned every step of the way. this was all due to pure laziness and lack of dedication.
you can tell Froste is just salty he lost a huge opportunity and is blaming everyone but himself, Classify and Ava former members themselves are out here working their ass off and it looks to be paying off, 100T did what they could when you're given that opportunity it's on you if you lose it
I understand that the industry is predatory in nature anyways butI’m gojng to hold of judgement because I know there are few bodies is Nadeshots closet esp the NickMercs thing and yet everyone takes his side
This is completely unrelated to the actual content of this video, but I am obsessed with this girl's makeup it looks fucking amazing; is this just me?? I need a tutorial or something ong
While your coverage is alright, it leaves some really important chunks out. A rep from the Fireball sponsorship backed Nadeshot's claims, Froste awkwardly admitting that Nadeshot's counter to the 85% claim was true with The Mob taking 120K from that Fireball sponsorship, Froste going on a real estate site to accidentally refute himself and show that they could have taken much more affordable housing, and throwing every excuse at the book to try and justify low streaming hours and content production. The Mob was around for two years. What benefit would 100T have by having them be broke and having poor access to resources and internet, at the cost of 120K in salaries per year? It just doesn't make any sense. If they were financially predatory, the method (and numbers) don't make sense as it seems 100T was maybe breaking even on the investment. The way I see it is simple: Nadeshot's response was made with confidence and conviction, while Froste was hesitant and backpedaled a lot.
The contract splits, if true, remind me of what they call in the music industry as a ‘360 deal’ that record companies get young music artists to sign. It’s a pretty scummy contract practice, but from what it looks like the mob members didn’t put in nearly enough work so it was bad business on both sides really.
I’m not disagreeing with u just clarifying something cuz social media is different from traditional media. Usually big orgs that pick up smaller creators keep in writing that they can take up to 85% from sponsors they bring in until the contract ends but usually they don’t take that much. If the creator gets a lot bigger when the contract ends they either leave the content org after getting the clout and sponsors or they try to get a better cut. The top creators (that are still in orgs) usually only get 15-20% taken from them instead of 85%
I agree but the difference would be that those artists even if they work hard are still blocked by labels to put out music and can only get money from their tours or other things. These streamers can put in the work and get all that money. It’s like when people live with their parents and don’t pay a dime, you work an all that money is yours… but people still don’t do it. People would love to have these opportunities as “bad” as they sound
CoD huh? I can't imagine anything related to that series to be good.
Imagine having a boss that gets mad you aren’t work75 hours a week only bc he doesn’t know how to negotiate, in an industry he’s been in for YEARS. It’s almost like….sponsors know about made shot. They aren’t backing off that 65 %LOL
Isn't Froste the guy that got on 100Ts radar because of all his meme tweets? Kinda crazy this is how their relationship played out just feels like an entitled kid with a pretty good opportunity... I've seen gaming situations back in the days and they would have lawnchairs and futons with no money but making it work slowly grinding out their own brands until they were self sustainable while also having the orgs opportunities. Nadeshot, BigT, Scump are all prime examples of what sacrifices you can make to make this stuff work. Now that hes shown this side of himself he's done for.... a shame!
Performance = Money. And Performance = Labour + Land + Capital. That’s the only thing that matters.
Drama over fun and games. None of this is struggle. Cry me a river. These children getting salaries for contributing nothing of real value and then getting a 120k collectively from a deal that 100T landed for them. Nah, wake me up when people have real struggles.
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this is business. esports is a business. contracts, brand deals, money, all of this is business. sure, this is no “starving kids in africa”, but young adults starting a career and being exploited is still an issue. and get this, you can care about more than one issue at a time! crazy
@@inmanis2924 These are kids getting a salary + 15% in sponsorship revenue with no special skills. It is a bunch of Paris Hilton's thinking they are entitled to be rich without doing anything. In no other decade has the expectations of young people been to not struggle when entering the workforce. When you say "starting a career and being exploited", you mean working for someone else? Forgive me, but as someone who worked minium wage when it was $5.15 an hour and went to college at the same time with huge loans, this life sounds like a fairy tale. I care about real issues of the people with real struggles. This is not a struggle, this is a kid whining over the internet on his $3000 computer about how he got to live with his friends in a house in LA with his friends.
Listen, I am probably coming off harsh. Where I grew up, no one had an easy upbringing. It took me 20 years to make good money. I get upset seeing these complaints from people that actually arent offering anything useful that got an opportunity and blew it but still had a roof over there head and place to sleep. Practically every job in the world can be considered an exploitation of young people by this standard. That is capitalism, love it or hate it. My argument is that this isnt the type of struggle a majority of the world experiences. Im not coming at you or this YT channel. This just isn't news worthy imo.
Had this similar instance not happened to Nickmercs, I'd be a little more on Nade's side. But I can't take any sides because I don't precisely know much about their business, as well as none of you who comment. It is expensive to live in LA and 60k isn't enough to live there. Maybe the terms of their deal were a little harsh who knows??
Truthfully I don't feel bad for Froste at all. The whole Mob made their choices. I do however feel bad for Classify because I remember watching all the Mob content and thinking why aren't the others making content like Classify. He was grinding and actually trying his best. If anything he got screwed because of the others around him not pulling their weight. Classify has gone on to grow lots and be in tons of content. As for 100T taking 85% people are misunderstanding that. It says they are allowed to take that much doesn't mean they have to or will as told by Nade when says they only took 35%. Now I get it that is high and yes the Mob was young but come on this isn't predatory. The org is taking a huge risk in the mob and needs a way to manage and compensate that risk. I just feel bad for all the 100T employees who put time and effort into this and now are some what getting dumped on because if some wild accusations.
20 years old kids? No that’s considered being an adult.
and that stream from froste was his first time in a month.... silence speaks
$2500 per month? That’s disturbingly low… and in LA?
$2500 free use money and $2500 for content/stream gear per month = 60k per year each person. 3 major brand deals money. twitch income of $200k. They were living in 3 million dollar house. They rich as fuck.
@@johnsmith4187 60k per year is not a lot of money lmao
@@eldenfindley186 That's just base. You didn't add the twitch streaming money, the brand deals, the other sponsorships they had. etc. How do you think they are able to afford 3 million dollar house and best streaming gear? Eating 3x a day on door dash.
How do you think this possible if they were poor?
Damn. Been using the name Froste for 20 years. No idea someone else was using it
Yeah I saw all I needed to see when he said blame the 20 year old KIDS you are an adult dude
"We don't really get to see the inside machinations of esports all too often" is just a crazy place for a supposedly journalistic organization to leave things. Are esports orgs fundamentally unsustainable? It sure looks that way from the outside but it's hard to tell. If only there was a website the purported to cover esports that could use a series of investigative techniques to better inform the public. Why are we leaving it to Ludwigs managers Twitter account to talk about this stuff (no shots, slime is based).
$2500 a month in LA really aint it lol
Are they receiving outside income from the $2500 or is that all they get?
They get 2500 from the Org a month and sets them up with large sponsorships and they could take 85% of the money they made from that sponsor since they were providing everything for it and finding it for them they had their own money coming in from Streams like donations or subs or Content they created for RUclips
ngl, I didn't watch any of the mob's content. Didn't know they made content consistently