When I was looking for a shelter for my garden tractor I stumbled on your video with your original Shelter Logic. It sold me and I ended up getting a 10x10 of the same design as yours. After 2 years the roof became paper thin so I bought a heavy duty 12x12 tarp to cover it. The sides and ends held up just fine until I had to junk it this October to make room for a "tiny home" addition to our house. Tip: Install the ends on the ground first!
Tim, i watch another channel for a concrete contractor. He acquired a used hoop shed to store hus equipment - skid loaders, mini- ex's, powe buggies, etc. He prepped the floor, then laid concrete (obviously). Then, on 3 sides, he used those large commercial retaining wall blocks that are like 2x2x4, i think 3 courses high. Then attached the hoops to those. That gave him the extra wall height on the sides and a very firm base. His is only open on one end. Channel is "Concrete with the Hause's", and he's in the Pittsburgh area, so like you wind and snow. I believe he did his about a year ago, you could go look for the videos.
When you go to move the Shelter Logic you will want to stiffen it up a LOT. Probably with a bunch of tension members. Then, keep in mind if you use four pieces of equipment you will NEVER be able to move them at the same pace and same direction. Devise a way that at LEAST two, preferably three lift points can move relative to the one fixed point. In other words 3 corners should be on an equipment dolly setting on a reinforced pallet so that the corner can have a couple feet of travel relative to the fixed corner. I'm an aerospace engineer so feel free to contact me if you want to kick around some ideas. No matter what this is going to be GREAT content! Good luck!
I bought a Shelter Logic hoop shed to shelter my "little Johnny" 13 years ago. The original "gray" cover was guaranteed to last one year, and it held out for two years. I was not prepared to use sheet metal to cover the hoop shed, so I bought the replacement cover for twice the original price of the hoop shed, guaranteed for ten years. This worked so well that I bought two additional hoop units, one for hay and one for my son's workshop. When the gray cover failed, my son gave me the structure back. Anyway, I bought another replacement cover, and my hay was saved; till the sun rotted the roof. I have twice covered the rotten cover with quality tarps and all is well. But tarps only last a couple of years. I have seen several videos of people covering they Shelter Logic structures with sheet metal and building barn style doors for entry/exit. Now that I'm retired, (Ha Ha, LOL) I am thinking about permanently covering the 3 hoop barns with sheet metal, but for the money I'd rather have shed extension added to my barn. But then I'd still have three hoop structures and no place to put them. I put conduit pipe in the bottom of the door ends and used the included rollup cord and pulleys to put rollup doors in each barn and they are adequate. Oh, as to moving the hoop sheds; my grandson and I just picked up one side after the other and "caterpillar" walked the hoop shed when I had to move it out of the way of the barn yard traffic. Slow, but effective. Yes, lighting is a bummer, but those motion detector lights do well on the outside and after you get the door rolled up, I suspect the reflected light on the insides could reduce accidental impacts. Oh, well, just my two cents.
I saw another channel use multiple IBC cages strapped together and strapped onto pallet forks to lift something much higher than the tractor alone could touch. You have the 5x and the 4x which are pretty “tall” to begin with. IBC cages are very light (comparatively and assuming empty), but very strong. Maybe stack 2-3 on each tractor and lift the center of the hoop (maybe 2 tractors). That should get you the height you need and just takes low wind and high coordination to move. Just an idea. Love the channel and happy holidays Tim and family!
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I used a garage style Shelterlogic as a wood shed for about 4 years. I found that here in Maryland that the sun weakened the covering tarp with southern exposure so badly in one year that the slightest wind ripped it to shreds. Replacing the shed cover was quite costly. We avoided replacing again by overcovering the whole shed with a second sacrificial tarp. After a year we got a 2nd year from the same tarp by rotating 180 degrees. The new building plans are exciting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
It’s interesting when someone shares their experiences. Others can use that information and ‘build’ upon it, and learn from it. Tim, thanks for sharing your experiences and observations. I appreciate it. Blessings.
I used to get barn swallow in my 3 car garage in Wisconsin. Had all the doors open frequently to train the clients dogs, birds pooped everywhere. My wife found A Plastic owl and the birds leave as soon as the fly in the garage. This was 20 years ago so no idea were she got it but works great Hang it by a sash cord so it moves are in the breeze. Love your info, thank you.
Cant wait for the move on the ShelterLogic! I would simply sled it. Use your 6x6 as sled runners. Cross brace from one side to the other to maintain squareness then simply pull evenly on the 6x6's to pull it where you need it. If your 6x6 need connections simply add a 2x6 on the inside or outside to strengthen them. After the move remove them if needed for other projects. That would also be a good time to raise the side wall you spoke of in this video. I am confident the team you have available will git er done!
Tim, great review of the Shelterlogic storage garage. You had some good pointers on how to make it better and things to look out for. Educational and enjoyable video Tim. Thanks
build a barn swallow shelter and put on your property. They will nest in there instead of your shelter. They are great at insect control on your property so it's great to keep them around. Our local soccer association put one up to keep the barn swallows out of our storage shed.
You have the time, and help. Do it. AND. Add the taller sidewalls at that time. Maybe build wood or metal end walls to seal the ends to eliminate the birds. Use hinge or roller doors.
You could totally move that shop. I just did a 16x30 gazebo by putting skis under the 6x6 posts and slid it the 300 feet it needed to go. Make sure to connect the skis to the tent and then run braces across the skis to keep them parallel.
pretty easy to move this shelter since how you built the "foundation" could provide you a sled... just make sure to tie the ends together so they dont spread, get the Saw all, cut these brackets from their post and start pulling.
It will be interesting to see you move that shed. I know how I would be tempted to try. A couple of 30 ft headers on front and one on the rear of your existing 6x6 beams then maybe one or two cable X's to keep it square. Sawsall the lower column mounts and skid it to the new location.
Blast357 has a great idea. I would add that you get round wooden fence posts, cut to about 3 foot lengths and use those as "wheels" that roll on the ground under the runners. I made my "wheels" from wooden fence posts that were 5 inches diameter and 9 feet long. I got 3 "wheels" from each post. Jack the structure up enough to put the "wheels" under the runners and about 4 to 6 feet apart and start pulling the structure. When a "wheel" rolls out from under the back, move it to the front. I did this a few years ago to move a 10x12 foot shed that I had previously built on runners.
Tim, after you move the hoop barn I’d highly suggest putting permanent ends up. Especially if you are going to have one end of the tunnel right up against your woods. You could make the back wall that’s facing the woods permanently closed off with timber and steel sheets. Then the front you could make a permanent frame with an overhead door and put steel around that also. Many people around here do that. Also, I see the bottom side flaps are meant as a safety to not let the whole thing blow away but, many pole barns in my area have a concrete stem wall that the building is then directly bolted to. Just some of my thoughts!
My daughter uses rubber snakes, about a foot long, above her exterior accent, light fixtures on the front wall of her garage to keep robins from nesting. They work great.
I recommend the construction of some sort of ladder or stairway and “cat” walks up where those birds are nesting. It will highly entertain your cats and you too.
We have 4 shelter logic structures for our mini ranch where we raise a few goats. I did this based on your Shelter Logic build. They are holding up well, but the door zippers are the only issue that we have had. They are hard to work with even on the smaller sizes.
I think you can definitely move it with the proper amount of motivation and preparation. The hardest part will be tying the bottom of the sides together so they don't split out. I'd start with four temporary cross ties of some kind and see how flexy it feels and go from there. Given the distance you might even need to go with some kind of cheap trusses to span that far. Once you figure that part out, disconnect the horizontal 6x6s from the posts, pick it up by the temporary cross-ties and you're home free.
Next you go to Menards, grab some armor mold remover. Hook up your garden hose and douse it down, rinse off. It should crisp up like new with minimal effort. Moving the big shelter, I'd suggest build some temporary axle mounts to fasten onto or saddle under the frame for dual wheels with one on inside and one wheel outside. Then some form of hitch that'll lift the opposite end and tow it.
A few years back I had barn swallows wanting to build a nest above my house door, after knocking it down a few times during their build process they finally gave up & left.
In our local State DOT yard they built one of these 7 years ago to store salt. They built it on top of them concrete road barrier gypsy walls. It’s held up and hasn’t blown away yet.
Thanks for the ups and downs on these sheds. See a good number of them out there but that is about the extent of my knowledge. Thought they would be nice for my x595. Have a great week!
Tim, here is a idea for your Hoop Shed to keep the Barn Swallows out. Get 2 to 4 18 to 24 inch plastic Bubblehead, Owls. Drill a quarter inch hole in the top of the owl head and then tie some baling twine or kite twine to the main body of the owl & hang the owls 1 or 2 hoops in from the end of the building. I did the same thing for my wooden overhang for my walk in basement and that did the trick to keep the barn swallows from building their nests.
Yep. Will be awhile. Remember, you are seeing this process ‘real time’ including background work, holiday travel, etc. it will seem to progress slowly…but we’ll work in that direction.
For the Swallows, A trash bag with the integrated draw string works for me. I take a brand new bag, fluff it up, pull the draw string closed and nail the draw string to the top of my entry way. Just it flapping in the wind has kept them out for the three years I've tried it.
Me and my brother in-law moved a metal carport with two little tractors. I think it was 18x30 foot, and we probably relocated it about couple hundred foot or so and faced it a different direction. We did stress the roof braces because it is not easy to keep two people on tractors the same speed while you are turning the building. It worked obviously, but the walls on that were vertical up to 8-9ft, not hooped. I think the hoop will cause less issues keeping things straight and stress free, I am just not sure your structure looks as solid as that car port was. The wood at the base will certainly help, but you might have to tie everything at the roof together somehow in order to prevent losing or tearing that tarp material. Be interesting to see it happen, looking forward to it. God bless all of you, have a Merry Christmas and stay safe!
Dad used to send me out with a long pole to knock down barn swallow nests. They only build in the spring and early summer during nesting season. They will still fly through the building, but you should have much less bird poop. You just have to be vigilant in the spring and they will build somewhere else. Next, I would like to see you move the Shelter Logic with Johnny X!
Looks like a great short term solution. I don’t have the space or the money for something like that at the moment. Right now my tractor is living in a 14’ tall two car carport that came with the neighboring property when we bought it. I’m hoping to enclose three sides with some corrugated sheet steel and perhaps add two chain link fence doors on the front. That should hold us over until we can clear the trees between the two properties and build a nice large shop.
Hey, to clean that you can use that once done and forget they have it at Home Depot it's like a blue liquid it works really well you just spray it on like with a bug sprayer and just leave it and it will basically get rid of mold and mildew but won't damage the fabric it's snow bleach or anything like that it's just like a antibacterial type of stuff but it's the preferred way to do shingles on a roof or do gravestones or do anything that you don't want to damage it
I think you can move it with proper horizontal bracing at both ends and one in the middle to so you can maintain a square envelope. Then determine how to provide a way to overcome breakaway resistance as once it is sliding or rolling the stress will not be an issue. So have Rex build in the bracing., desk it and attach your anchor points to that current ends and bracing slide/roll it into position. Should make for an interesting side project.
So I have tent like what you have. Smaller 40’L x 13’w x 12’ h. But when tarp was bad I sided the whole thing with steel roofing panels. Closed one end off with steel and the other end made 8’ x 8’ steel doors. Then I put a loft in to store small things up top because I hated wasting that space. I have two of them on the property but only one is steel at this time. Thought I would share this info to let people know don’t just throw it out when the tarp rips.
Tim near my some agricultural use larger hoop type building similar to yours but larger and most use 2 courses of the 2x2x6’ concrete blocks for the foundation/to raise the wall height some. Might be something to consider instead on posts into the ground
1) I’ve wondered how well of a job these sheds do. Like anything else they seem expensive. I have an American Steel Carport building that I house my 1025R and other stuff in. I need to install an over head door because the sparrows build nests in mine too. The first and last thing a bird does before entering and leaving the nest is crap. I have to put a tarp over my tractor because they built the nest in between the metal where I can’t get rid of the nest. So the tarp saves a lot of tractor cleaning for me. 2) Good idea placing the attachments on pallets then storing them vertically. I need to investigate into storage ideas. 3) Shipping containers in residential areas are against county zoning laws (even though they have no enforcement officer). Not sure what I need to do (heaven forbid we Americans get rid of anything). 😂 4) Since you have more and bigger equipment, couldn’t you just move this shelter the same as you did the smaller one? Get about three big tractors with forks and lift it? Or hook up chains to it and drag it? - you may have to put it on a skid of some sort. Looking forward to watching that video. 5) or you can simply donate the building to me 😂😂😂😂😂
My work bought this alarm sounding thing that supposed to keep them out it worked well they still flew in landed heard the noise then left. Mind you if it’s on the frequency of the sound may be annoying to some sensitive hearing.
Hi - what about putting some sort of roller (e.g. a large log cut into round rollers) under the wood sills and pull it to the new location ??? You may need to put a cross brace to keep the hoops from collapsing or folding…
I definitely think you should run a few straps across the bottom before you try to move it. With all the tension on the big tarp, it might be hard to predict what those forces might do.
Another RUclips channel I watch Rock Hill Farms. He built a Quason hut and he put it up on. I believe Jersey barriers to give them extra height. I believe he said the sales rep recommended it so he could put stuff out on the sides more and he did not put any ends on his Quason hut. As I’m typing this, I’m wondering about if you built wooden ends with a garage door on one end.
To move the Shelter Logic, raise it up, leaving the 6x6 beams attached and put large caster-type wheels under the 6x6 beams and you should be able to roll it wherever you like.
I had barn swallows in a building that has a couple of open bays. They were building nests on the fluorescent lamp fixtures the previous owner installed, and of course crapping on everything. I took those down and plated the joists with foil backed EPS 4x8 insulation boards. Now I'm trying to figure out how to light the area without providing a place for them to roost. Thought about ideas ranging from netting to automated Nerf sentry guns to aiming air nozzles at the fixtures and periodically firing air at them. Of course, doors are the real solution, but 3 14' x 12' rollup doors and framing costs real money,
RE: barn swallows. Check with your local wildlife management, such as game and fish and see if they have some solutions for you. In Wyoming, I've had issues with magpies and the wildlife authorities baited and poisoned them as magpies are considered a pest. They wanted justification for it, (which we had) but you probably have a good reason to poison them.
I bought a 12x24 Rhino Shelter which is similar to Shelter Logic but uses better materials plus a better anchor system and costs more. I've had it for 10 years. I really like it a lot. It will last another 10 or 20 years. My opinion this type of storage building is all most people need for general items. If you want long lasting then go with Rhino, if not go with Shelter Logic. Where I live they are considered temporary and I didn't have to get a building permit especially over 200 square feet. I plan on getting another one that is smaller and it might be a Shelter Logic.
A farm in Buffalo Missouri has one for storage of hay and to look at it, it looks to be twice as big as yours. A RUclipsr I watch in Newfoundland has the smaller ones and he dug a deep hole, welded car rims to the posts and buried them. I'm sure they have never pulled out. My building I'm going to have my neighbor who is a roofer for over 50 years put another roof on top of the older metal roof. It leaks when it rains and nobody ever addressed the problem. The original roof was put on with nails with the rubber washers and the rubber is mostly gone. My other building that is opened on one end, I don't know where pigeons come from out here in the country but oh what a mess they have made. I finally bought a owl where when the wind blows it's head rotates. It seems to keep them out and another way I've seen people hang old cd disks with fishing line from the metal trusses to keep birds out because from the flashing light from them. Only reason why I haven't done it is because the concrete floor runs downhill and the trusses are so high up. The thought of falling doesn't go well in my head.
I believe 10th Gen Dairyman put bird netting up in the rafters of their new barn to keep the birds from nesting up there. I believe he said recently it's working reasonably well. Zip tying on a full layer of netting might take care of the nesting & guano problem you're having.
Realistically, the only way to keep the swallows out is to keep the ends closed when you're not using it. Maybe you could frame up the ends and put in an overhead door. I don't see why it's not possible. Leave some flappy flaps on either side of the door at the bottom to let the air out.
Cut the vertical post brackets out and slide using the runners as skids. If I were to out up a building like this, I would use shipping containers for vertical sides and then use the hoop or the more traditional pitched roof over the top. This provides secure storage for smaller items plus gives an 8 foot plus wall. It also makes it easier to enclose the ends if needed. Several other companies make long term roofs with stretched fabric, some of these are 25+ year fabric and can even be insulated.
Yea. Makes sense. I just don’t care for the looks of containers. I’ve had two companies reach out to me…one container provider, and one hoop shed specifically for containers company. So far, I’ve resisted :-)
@TractorTimewithTim Don't resist. It is so very easy to camouflage a container. I would do the external insulation then skin with corrugated metal. Alternative, welding stands off on the side then hang cattle panels. Provide a trellis for edible or flowering vines to grow up. They are a very versatile building material.
Tim I bought mine and put it up about a year after you my only problem is the door as well the zipper has broken and the tops catches it cause it’s folded down to fit and it catches the door before I can reach overall it’s great product but I can’t wait to save enough for a shop hopefully I’ll be a year behind on that as well
I was watching dirt perfect and on his pole barn he has a recorded predator bird that makes noise when movement is detected . I ask him if it works and he swears it does. I haven’t tried it with my pole barn with the same problem as you.
If you live in serious snow country (which is NOT northern Indiana), beware of these lite weight structures. They do NOT always shed snow and they cannot handle any serious snow load. I have seen some collapses.
And idea for the tarp length problem. Would it be possible to shorten all of the parallel to length of building support bars by foot or 2 to effectively increase your tarp length? Just an idea. PS. As a 35 year old I can't believe I watched that original moving video 9 years ago, but it correlates with getting our first home and my jd 2305 (used). You have been an inspiration, great content excited to see the future.
Moving the shelter is not a big deal. As long it is braced well throughout the shelter, it will move without a problem. If you could rent a few beams to span the shelter, it would be the best option for you. As a foundation, the concrete blocks they work really well as a foundation and less work than the style you have under the shelter right now 😀
Moving the tent could be a challenge but with enough equipment to distribute the load it's very possible. It sounds like the new location for the tent could be the next addition to the existing barn. So, has the moving began?
@ we had about 120-130 mph winds with this last storm probably not many things like this would hold up to something like that working on figuring out storage solutions for my new tractor
Good morning Tim. So just to confirm you’ve considered moving the shelter and continue using it even after the new shop is built? Until the cover deteriorates I would assume? Are you keeping the pallet racks in it as well? Thanks!
What about instead of posts using the large concrete cubes as a retaining wall. Would raise it up roughly 24" their shear weight should keep from uplift. Only concern i would have would be ripping the bottom skirt of the shelter.
In the 70's I had an owl decoy, a very life like one, in my garage to keep the birds out. One day I went out to find some droppings on my car and I looked up and my owl was gone. I later found it in my mom's garage. 🙂In the 80's I moved a 16X20 pole building, like you moved your shelter logic only using the sawmill's small dozer. Anyway I put the same owl in it and it once again kept the birds out. One day I went out to find droppings on my truck and looked up and my owl was gone. I went right over to mom's but this time she wasn't guilty. Then I found my owl had somehow gotten knocked over and was setting up where I put it only on it's side. Moral of the story, a good owl decoy worked for me and don't always blame mom for the theft of your bird.
The most frustrating thing about this video is you are trying to convince me that you put this up 4 years ago when I swear it was just last year. Time sure does fly.
I'm in the same boat, swore it was just about a year ago it was put up, just wild to me how long it has been..... only seems like it goes faster the older I get! 😅😅
There are people that move houses in machine sheds I don't see why you wouldn't be able to move it just make sure you have enough support going across the hoops don't bend
When I was looking for a shelter for my garden tractor I stumbled on your video with your original Shelter Logic. It sold me and I ended up getting a 10x10 of the same design as yours. After 2 years the roof became paper thin so I bought a heavy duty 12x12 tarp to cover it. The sides and ends held up just fine until I had to junk it this October to make room for a "tiny home" addition to our house. Tip: Install the ends on the ground first!
Tim, i watch another channel for a concrete contractor. He acquired a used hoop shed to store hus equipment - skid loaders, mini- ex's, powe buggies, etc. He prepped the floor, then laid concrete (obviously). Then, on 3 sides, he used those large commercial retaining wall blocks that are like 2x2x4, i think 3 courses high. Then attached the hoops to those. That gave him the extra wall height on the sides and a very firm base. His is only open on one end. Channel is "Concrete with the Hause's", and he's in the Pittsburgh area, so like you wind and snow. I believe he did his about a year ago, you could go look for the videos.
This is done in this area by towns to keep the salt/sand mixture dry ( winter road treatment)
When you go to move the Shelter Logic you will want to stiffen it up a LOT. Probably with a bunch of tension members. Then, keep in mind if you use four pieces of equipment you will NEVER be able to move them at the same pace and same direction. Devise a way that at LEAST two, preferably three lift points can move relative to the one fixed point. In other words 3 corners should be on an equipment dolly setting on a reinforced pallet so that the corner can have a couple feet of travel relative to the fixed corner. I'm an aerospace engineer so feel free to contact me if you want to kick around some ideas.
No matter what this is going to be GREAT content! Good luck!
I bought a Shelter Logic hoop shed to shelter my "little Johnny" 13 years ago. The original "gray" cover was guaranteed to last one year, and it held out for two years. I was not prepared to use sheet metal to cover the hoop shed, so I bought the replacement cover for twice the original price of the hoop shed, guaranteed for ten years. This worked so well that I bought two additional hoop units, one for hay and one for my son's workshop. When the gray cover failed, my son gave me the structure back. Anyway, I bought another replacement cover, and my hay was saved; till the sun rotted the roof. I have twice covered the rotten cover with quality tarps and all is well. But tarps only last a couple of years.
I have seen several videos of people covering they Shelter Logic structures with sheet metal and building barn style doors for entry/exit. Now that I'm retired, (Ha Ha, LOL) I am thinking about permanently covering the 3 hoop barns with sheet metal, but for the money I'd rather have shed extension added to my barn. But then I'd still have three hoop structures and no place to put them.
I put conduit pipe in the bottom of the door ends and used the included rollup cord and pulleys to put rollup doors in each barn and they are adequate. Oh, as to moving the hoop sheds; my grandson and I just picked up one side after the other and "caterpillar" walked the hoop shed when I had to move it out of the way of the barn yard traffic. Slow, but effective. Yes, lighting is a bummer, but those motion detector lights do well on the outside and after you get the door rolled up, I suspect the reflected light on the insides could reduce accidental impacts. Oh, well, just my two cents.
I saw another channel use multiple IBC cages strapped together and strapped onto pallet forks to lift something much higher than the tractor alone could touch. You have the 5x and the 4x which are pretty “tall” to begin with. IBC cages are very light (comparatively and assuming empty), but very strong. Maybe stack 2-3 on each tractor and lift the center of the hoop (maybe 2 tractors). That should get you the height you need and just takes low wind and high coordination to move. Just an idea. Love the channel and happy holidays Tim and family!
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Oh my. Sorry to hear that. I hope you can find a match soon!
I used a garage style Shelterlogic as a wood shed for about 4 years. I found that here in Maryland that the sun weakened the covering tarp with southern exposure so badly in one year that the slightest wind ripped it to shreds. Replacing the shed cover was quite costly. We avoided replacing again by overcovering the whole shed with a second sacrificial tarp. After a year we got a 2nd year from the same tarp by rotating 180 degrees. The new building plans are exciting. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Yea. The covers on the smaller ones are definitely not ‘long term’ rated :-)
It’s interesting when someone shares their experiences. Others can use that information and ‘build’ upon it, and learn from it. Tim, thanks for sharing your experiences and observations. I appreciate it. Blessings.
I used to get barn swallow in my 3 car garage in Wisconsin. Had all the doors open frequently to train the clients dogs, birds pooped everywhere. My wife found A Plastic owl and the birds leave as soon as the fly in the garage. This was 20 years ago so no idea were she got it but works great Hang it by a sash cord so it moves are in the breeze. Love your info, thank you.
Cant wait for the move on the ShelterLogic! I would simply sled it. Use your 6x6 as sled runners. Cross brace from one side to the other to maintain squareness then simply pull evenly on the 6x6's to pull it where you need it. If your 6x6 need connections simply add a 2x6 on the inside or outside to strengthen them. After the move remove them if needed for other projects. That would also be a good time to raise the side wall you spoke of in this video. I am confident the team you have available will git er done!
Tim, great review of the Shelterlogic storage garage. You had some good pointers on how to make it better and things to look out for. Educational and enjoyable video Tim. Thanks
build a barn swallow shelter and put on your property. They will nest in there instead of your shelter. They are great at insect control on your property so it's great to keep them around. Our local soccer association put one up to keep the barn swallows out of our storage shed.
You have the time, and help. Do it. AND. Add the taller sidewalls at that time. Maybe build wood or metal end walls to seal the ends to eliminate the birds. Use hinge or roller doors.
You could totally move that shop. I just did a 16x30 gazebo by putting skis under the 6x6 posts and slid it the 300 feet it needed to go. Make sure to connect the skis to the tent and then run braces across the skis to keep them parallel.
It's been four years already my how time flies
Wet and Forget will take care of the mold
pretty easy to move this shelter since how you built the "foundation" could provide you a sled... just make sure to tie the ends together so they dont spread, get the Saw all, cut these brackets from their post and start pulling.
It will be interesting to see you move that shed. I know how I would be tempted to try. A couple of 30 ft headers on front and one on the rear of your existing 6x6 beams then maybe one or two cable X's to keep it square. Sawsall the lower column mounts and skid it to the new location.
That is the approach we have in mind.
Blast357 has a great idea. I would add that you get round wooden fence posts, cut to about 3 foot lengths and use those as "wheels" that roll on the ground under the runners. I made my "wheels" from wooden fence posts that were 5 inches diameter and 9 feet long. I got 3 "wheels" from each post. Jack the structure up enough to put the "wheels" under the runners and about 4 to 6 feet apart and start pulling the structure. When a "wheel" rolls out from under the back, move it to the front. I did this a few years ago to move a 10x12 foot shed that I had previously built on runners.
Tim, after you move the hoop barn I’d highly suggest putting permanent ends up. Especially if you are going to have one end of the tunnel right up against your woods. You could make the back wall that’s facing the woods permanently closed off with timber and steel sheets. Then the front you could make a permanent frame with an overhead door and put steel around that also. Many people around here do that. Also, I see the bottom side flaps are meant as a safety to not let the whole thing blow away but, many pole barns in my area have a concrete stem wall that the building is then directly bolted to. Just some of my thoughts!
My daughter uses rubber snakes, about a foot long, above her exterior accent, light fixtures on the front wall of her garage to keep robins from nesting. They work great.
I recommend the construction of some sort of ladder or stairway and “cat” walks up where those birds are nesting. It will highly entertain your cats and you too.
We have 4 shelter logic structures for our mini ranch where we raise a few goats. I did this based on your Shelter Logic build. They are holding up well, but the door zippers are the only issue that we have had. They are hard to work with even on the smaller sizes.
I think you can definitely move it with the proper amount of motivation and preparation. The hardest part will be tying the bottom of the sides together so they don't split out. I'd start with four temporary cross ties of some kind and see how flexy it feels and go from there. Given the distance you might even need to go with some kind of cheap trusses to span that far. Once you figure that part out, disconnect the horizontal 6x6s from the posts, pick it up by the temporary cross-ties and you're home free.
Next you go to Menards, grab some armor mold remover. Hook up your garden hose and douse it down, rinse off. It should crisp up like new with minimal effort. Moving the big shelter, I'd suggest build some temporary axle mounts to fasten onto or saddle under the frame for dual wheels with one on inside and one wheel outside. Then some form of hitch that'll lift the opposite end and tow it.
A few years back I had barn swallows wanting to build a nest above my house door, after knocking it down a few times during their build process they finally gave up & left.
I thought that was a fair and insightful evaluation
In our local State DOT yard they built one of these 7 years ago to store salt. They built it on top of them concrete road barrier gypsy walls. It’s held up and hasn’t blown away yet.
Thanks for the ups and downs on these sheds. See a good number of them out there but that is about the extent of my knowledge. Thought they would be nice for my x595. Have a great week!
Tim, here is a idea for your Hoop Shed to keep the Barn Swallows out. Get 2 to 4 18 to 24 inch plastic Bubblehead, Owls. Drill a quarter inch hole in the top of the owl head and then tie some baling twine or kite twine to the main body of the owl & hang the owls 1 or 2 hoops in from the end of the building. I did the same thing for my wooden overhang for my walk in basement and that did the trick to keep the barn swallows from building their nests.
Pleaseee move the building, that would be epic!
Yep. Will be awhile. Remember, you are seeing this process ‘real time’ including background work, holiday travel, etc. it will seem to progress slowly…but we’ll work in that direction.
For the Swallows,
A trash bag with the integrated draw string works for me. I take a brand new bag, fluff it up, pull the draw string closed and nail the draw string to the top of my entry way. Just it flapping in the wind has kept them out for the three years I've tried it.
Thanks for the review. Looking forward to the new barn build!
the mold from the trees on the one side look in the first shot like a mural of a forest! cool!!
Me and my brother in-law moved a metal carport with two little tractors. I think it was 18x30 foot, and we probably relocated it about couple hundred foot or so and faced it a different direction. We did stress the roof braces because it is not easy to keep two people on tractors the same speed while you are turning the building. It worked obviously, but the walls on that were vertical up to 8-9ft, not hooped. I think the hoop will cause less issues keeping things straight and stress free, I am just not sure your structure looks as solid as that car port was. The wood at the base will certainly help, but you might have to tie everything at the roof together somehow in order to prevent losing or tearing that tarp material. Be interesting to see it happen, looking forward to it. God bless all of you, have a Merry Christmas and stay safe!
Dad used to send me out with a long pole to knock down barn swallow nests. They only build in the spring and early summer during nesting season. They will still fly through the building, but you should have much less bird poop. You just have to be vigilant in the spring and they will build somewhere else. Next, I would like to see you move the Shelter Logic with Johnny X!
Looks like a great short term solution. I don’t have the space or the money for something like that at the moment. Right now my tractor is living in a 14’ tall two car carport that came with the neighboring property when we bought it. I’m hoping to enclose three sides with some corrugated sheet steel and perhaps add two chain link fence doors on the front. That should hold us over until we can clear the trees between the two properties and build a nice large shop.
Hey, to clean that you can use that once done and forget they have it at Home Depot it's like a blue liquid it works really well you just spray it on like with a bug sprayer and just leave it and it will basically get rid of mold and mildew but won't damage the fabric it's snow bleach or anything like that it's just like a antibacterial type of stuff but it's the preferred way to do shingles on a roof or do gravestones or do anything that you don't want to damage it
I think you can move it with proper horizontal bracing at both ends and one in the middle to so you can maintain a square envelope. Then determine how to provide a way to overcome breakaway resistance as once it is sliding or rolling the stress will not be an issue.
So have Rex build in the bracing., desk it and attach your anchor points to that current ends and bracing slide/roll it into position.
Should make for an interesting side project.
So I have tent like what you have. Smaller 40’L x 13’w x 12’ h. But when tarp was bad I sided the whole thing with steel roofing panels. Closed one end off with steel and the other end made 8’ x 8’ steel doors.
Then I put a loft in to store small things up top because I hated wasting that space. I have two of them on the property but only one is steel at this time. Thought I would share this info to let people know don’t just throw it out when the tarp rips.
I would look at using pvc pipe or wood fence posts and roll it . Ive moved Mini barns with this method and also a 40” shipping container.
Tim near my some agricultural use larger hoop type building similar to yours but larger and most use 2 courses of the 2x2x6’ concrete blocks for the foundation/to raise the wall height some. Might be something to consider instead on posts into the ground
1) I’ve wondered how well of a job these sheds do. Like anything else they seem expensive. I have an American Steel Carport building that I house my 1025R and other stuff in. I need to install an over head door because the sparrows build nests in mine too. The first and last thing a bird does before entering and leaving the nest is crap. I have to put a tarp over my tractor because they built the nest in between the metal where I can’t get rid of the nest. So the tarp saves a lot of tractor cleaning for me.
2) Good idea placing the attachments on pallets then storing them vertically. I need to investigate into storage ideas.
3) Shipping containers in residential areas are against county zoning laws (even though they have no enforcement officer). Not sure what I need to do (heaven forbid we Americans get rid of anything). 😂
4) Since you have more and bigger equipment, couldn’t you just move this shelter the same as you did the smaller one? Get about three big tractors with forks and lift it? Or hook up chains to it and drag it? - you may have to put it on a skid of some sort. Looking forward to watching that video.
5) or you can simply donate the building to me 😂😂😂😂😂
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Wonderful and practical review.
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My work bought this alarm sounding thing that supposed to keep them out it worked well they still flew in landed heard the noise then left. Mind you if it’s on the frequency of the sound may be annoying to some sensitive hearing.
Hi - what about putting some sort of roller (e.g. a large log cut into round rollers) under the wood sills and pull it to the new location ??? You may need to put a cross brace to keep the hoops from collapsing or folding…
Bird spikes are available for your boards over the ends. They are made of plastic or metal. Check out the jungle or your local big box store.....
I definitely think you should run a few straps across the bottom before you try to move it. With all the tension on the big tarp, it might be hard to predict what those forces might do.
Another RUclips channel I watch Rock Hill Farms. He built a Quason hut and he put it up on. I believe Jersey barriers to give them extra height. I believe he said the sales rep recommended it so he could put stuff out on the sides more and he did not put any ends on his Quason hut. As I’m typing this, I’m wondering about if you built wooden ends with a garage door on one end.
To move the Shelter Logic, raise it up, leaving the 6x6 beams attached and put large caster-type wheels under the 6x6 beams and you should be able to roll it wherever you like.
I had barn swallows in a building that has a couple of open bays. They were building nests on the fluorescent lamp fixtures the previous owner installed, and of course crapping on everything. I took those down and plated the joists with foil backed EPS 4x8 insulation boards. Now I'm trying to figure out how to light the area without providing a place for them to roost. Thought about ideas ranging from netting to automated Nerf sentry guns to aiming air nozzles at the fixtures and periodically firing air at them. Of course, doors are the real solution, but 3 14' x 12' rollup doors and framing costs real money,
I think you could have shortened the horizontal bars at each end by 4 to 6 inches and got the extra length you need for the cover to overlap.
You can definitely move it as long as you fix that one side on the 6x6
You can get Bird nets for your dock.
Tim
I use Bird Scare Tape Ribbon for my bird issues. Have to replace it periodically but it works well.
RE: barn swallows. Check with your local wildlife management, such as game and fish and see if they have some solutions for you. In Wyoming, I've had issues with magpies and the wildlife authorities baited and poisoned them as magpies are considered a pest. They wanted justification for it, (which we had) but you probably have a good reason to poison them.
Barn swallows a problem?
Call in your old childhood friends Daisy and Crossman. 👍
I bought a 12x24 Rhino Shelter which is similar to Shelter Logic but uses better materials plus a better anchor system and costs more. I've had it for 10 years. I really like it a lot. It will last another 10 or 20 years.
My opinion this type of storage building is all most people need for general items. If you want long lasting then go with Rhino, if not go with Shelter Logic.
Where I live they are considered temporary and I didn't have to get a building permit especially over 200 square feet.
I plan on getting another one that is smaller and it might be a Shelter Logic.
The SP series like I have is much better than the small garage in a box styles.
Reinforce the steel ribs and then use a large crane to move the structure as one. It should work fine.
A farm in Buffalo Missouri has one for storage of hay and to look at it, it looks to be twice as big as yours. A RUclipsr I watch in Newfoundland has the smaller ones and he dug a deep hole, welded car rims to the posts and buried them. I'm sure they have never pulled out. My building I'm going to have my neighbor who is a roofer for over 50 years put another roof on top of the older metal roof. It leaks when it rains and nobody ever addressed the problem. The original roof was put on with nails with the rubber washers and the rubber is mostly gone. My other building that is opened on one end, I don't know where pigeons come from out here in the country but oh what a mess they have made. I finally bought a owl where when the wind blows it's head rotates. It seems to keep them out and another way I've seen people hang old cd disks with fishing line from the metal trusses to keep birds out because from the flashing light from them. Only reason why I haven't done it is because the concrete floor runs downhill and the trusses are so high up. The thought of falling doesn't go well in my head.
I believe 10th Gen Dairyman put bird netting up in the rafters of their new barn to keep the birds from nesting up there. I believe he said recently it's working reasonably well. Zip tying on a full layer of netting might take care of the nesting & guano problem you're having.
How have the field mice been in the shelter?
The side of the Shelter logic with the pine trees…. Spray wet n forget… return 5-7 weeks later, gonna be clean… try it.
This product will last about 3 years and then will have to reapply. I use it on my white vinyl three rail fencing my property. Works great.
Realistically, the only way to keep the swallows out is to keep the ends closed when you're not using it. Maybe you could frame up the ends and put in an overhead door. I don't see why it's not possible. Leave some flappy flaps on either side of the door at the bottom to let the air out.
Derrick at TDF Honest Farming used a BirdXPeller brand electronic device for his cow barns
Cut the vertical post brackets out and slide using the runners as skids. If I were to out up a building like this, I would use shipping containers for vertical sides and then use the hoop or the more traditional pitched roof over the top. This provides secure storage for smaller items plus gives an 8 foot plus wall. It also makes it easier to enclose the ends if needed. Several other companies make long term roofs with stretched fabric, some of these are 25+ year fabric and can even be insulated.
Yea. Makes sense. I just don’t care for the looks of containers.
I’ve had two companies reach out to me…one container provider, and one hoop shed specifically for containers company.
So far, I’ve resisted :-)
@TractorTimewithTim Don't resist. It is so very easy to camouflage a container. I would do the external insulation then skin with corrugated metal. Alternative, welding stands off on the side then hang cattle panels. Provide a trellis for edible or flowering vines to grow up. They are a very versatile building material.
Tim I bought mine and put it up about a year after you my only problem is the door as well the zipper has broken and the tops catches it cause it’s folded down to fit and it catches the door before I can reach overall it’s great product but I can’t wait to save enough for a shop hopefully I’ll be a year behind on that as well
I hope you can upgrade like you say. However, I suspect you can get a few more heads out of this if you are careful.
Well if Tim's got one there's more pros than cons.
I’ve been quite pleased with it!
I was watching dirt perfect and on his pole barn he has a recorded predator bird that makes noise when movement is detected . I ask him if it works and he swears it does. I haven’t tried it with my pole barn with the same problem as you.
Tim I am suggesting you get a waste oil heater to lower you shop heating cost. And a good wood burning stove for the same reason.
You gonna cut wood for me? :-)
Quite a project going on; keep this building for storage.. Great video... 😅
Quite frankly, I’m totally overwhelmed right now!
@@TractorTimewithTimI can well imagine that!
If you live in serious snow country (which is NOT northern Indiana), beware of these lite weight structures. They do NOT always shed snow and they cannot handle any serious snow load. I have seen some collapses.
And idea for the tarp length problem. Would it be possible to shorten all of the parallel to length of building support bars by foot or 2 to effectively increase your tarp length? Just an idea.
PS. As a 35 year old I can't believe I watched that original moving video 9 years ago, but it correlates with getting our first home and my jd 2305 (used). You have been an inspiration, great content excited to see the future.
Thank you for the kind words. Needed the encouragement this morning!
I would replace the end with a wood frame and roll up door
Would a net work toward the ceiling to slow the birds down?
Maybe. Good to hear from you!
Get Plastic Owls they will keep the birds out of the shed! God Bless
Moving the shelter is not a big deal. As long it is braced well throughout the shelter, it will move without a problem. If you could rent a few beams to span the shelter, it would be the best option for you. As a foundation, the concrete blocks they work really well as a foundation and less work than the style you have under the shelter right now 😀
Moving the tent could be a challenge but with enough equipment to distribute the load it's very possible.
It sounds like the new location for the tent could be the next addition to the existing barn. So, has the moving began?
No. Lots of prep required for that.
And then a new shop connect to house
I wonder how these would hold up during a hurricane here in Florida
Rated at 100mph.
@ we had about 120-130 mph winds with this last storm probably not many things like this would hold up to something like that working on figuring out storage solutions for my new tractor
Maybe pull it like a mini barn on skids?
Yes, you can move it.
Good morning Tim. So just to confirm you’ve considered moving the shelter and continue using it even after the new shop is built? Until the cover deteriorates I would assume? Are you keeping the pallet racks in it as well? Thanks!
Dunno all the answers yet. SO much planning to do, and time is flying!
What about instead of posts using the large concrete cubes as a retaining wall. Would raise it up roughly 24" their shear weight should keep from uplift. Only concern i would have would be ripping the bottom skirt of the shelter.
Hmm. Never thought of that!
Tim have a video idea for you would love to talk with you about it involves a different brand tractor I would ship you.
Email me. Tim at tractortimewithtim dot com
If you had four escalators one on each end and go slowly you might move it safely.
In the 70's I had an owl decoy, a very life like one, in my garage to keep the birds out. One day I went out to find some droppings on my car and I looked up and my owl was gone. I later found it in my mom's garage. 🙂In the 80's I moved a 16X20 pole building, like you moved your shelter logic only using the sawmill's small dozer. Anyway I put the same owl in it and it once again kept the birds out. One day I went out to find droppings on my truck and looked up and my owl was gone. I went right over to mom's but this time she wasn't guilty. Then I found my owl had somehow gotten knocked over and was setting up where I put it only on it's side. Moral of the story, a good owl decoy worked for me and don't always blame mom for the theft of your bird.
If you need to take it down for the new building, then why not try to do it. Plus you can make a higher foundation for it.
Yea, it is in the way of the new building. I shoulda showed the paint stripes I put on the driveway outlining the corners of the new building.
Move the Shelter Logic?
Are you going to sell tickets and provide pop-corn?
The most frustrating thing about this video is you are trying to convince me that you put this up 4 years ago when I swear it was just last year. Time sure does fly.
I know exactly what you mean!
I'm in the same boat, swore it was just about a year ago it was put up, just wild to me how long it has been..... only seems like it goes faster the older I get! 😅😅
Shelterlogic is a stand-up company, but you do need to give them time to respond.
There are people that move houses in machine sheds I don't see why you wouldn't be able to move it just make sure you have enough support going across the hoops don't bend
Maybe u could spray foam the pockets where the birds nest? Dont give them a spot to lay down. Sometimes fake owls work but they might learn its fake
I think you'll have to ask the Amish on that move, they'll know. They're not seeing your videos for some reason.
Get a large group together to move its new location. I would love to be pat of that group.
Much like an Amish barn move
I have 2, Once it starts to rip... thats all she wrote..Yeah moved one. was very dice-ey"
Make scaffolding for the cats to patrol the roof to take car of the birds
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