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I have been convinced, some African king's descendants should be paying reparations to the descendants of the people who their forefathers kidnapped and sold.
Of you’re referring to anyone who can be labeled white in 2023 then yeah you’re right, however, if one can trace the generational lineage of wealth expropriated through unpaid labor and the parties involved then you might be able to redistribute that which was taken, it’s not as simple as this reactionary comment section would assume
The fact that you're addressing Christopher Hitchens' arguments, as opposed to Ta-Nehasi Coates' arguments shows that you mean to seriously debunk the "steel-man" argument for reparations. And I think you've done a fantastic job. I commend your intellectual fortitude. I still can't help but be dazzled by Hitchens' charm and wit.
Hitchens had a real gift for controversy ( shameless) but as an intellect? He handed his brain over when he took on an ideology. All ideologues stop thinking when they embrace one. He was a wasted gift.
Even champions and heroes have flaws and can be wrong from time to time. The great thing about Christopher Hitchens was that he was never afraid of facing disagreement. He was ferocious in his intellectual independence, never afraid of being controversial. A great loss to the 21st century, the political environment, and humanity as a whole.
“Slavery and exploitation doomed Africa a future of poverty and starvation” Institutions make for a wealthy country, not natural resources. Africa is one of the richest continents in terms of natural resources, but there is a lack of institutions and order - and where there is, there is mass growth. Some African countries have grown in wealth faster than European countries lately. Japan sits on a piece of volcanic rock, yet has a great economy.
*continent But point stands. This discussion is still very narrow viewed, looking at it only from racial lines, when there were white slaves and black slave owners too. What of the descendants of black people who became criminals? Sure, you could argue that their criminality is in part the result of slavery, but how much can you remove personal responsibility of the individuals themselves, and why does this not apply to the slavers?
Why indeed... Older more based civilizations recognized large migrations of different or incompatible groups for what they were, a form of warfare. In group preference or primacy used to be the norm, European societies and their offshoots have somehow been convinced that diversity and bloated welfare states are the key to a better future. The taxpayers funding of the slow regression to 3rd worldism is to remain unquestioned and even cheered as the preferable outcome
Aaron Lai• a lot of people, sorry a huge number of people are not happy with mass migration and illegal immigration into the UK. They are either labelled racist, or their voices not heard.
This is just more proof how the 3 of the 4 new atheist horsemen, actually helped open up the door even more for CULTURAL MARXISTS , in their WHITE GUILT. Thats right *Richard Dawkins* suffers from white guilt ( just like any leftist liberal ) and *Christopher Hitchens* ( suffered from it ) And well *Sam Harris* is a JEW, he can use the " I AM A JEW " i had nothing to do with what white people did, so he suffers from no guilt, but he also had his hand in . influencing many white people to become ridden with GUILT and growing up with no meaning in life.
@@tanelviil9149 Except the entire time the left have been trying to destroy Richard, Dan, and Sam.... We simply didnt realize the Marxists were usurping our movement How could we, we were never warned about the insidious tools communists use to manipulated the masses At least this time we learned far sooner ..... and in time to remove this white guilt crap
@@azmanabdula the majority of people need meaning in their life and the natural conclusion of atheism is nihilism as such the masses of a godless society will find a new God in communism most people can't handle the notion that they are just a meaningless accident of the universe and once it's over its over
Given that slavery was going on in Africa since time immemorial, and that Europeans basically just rocked up on the coast and bought what the locals were selling - which included slaves - surely "African Americans" should demand reparations from the African tribes that took the slaves and sold them on?
I’ve agreed with Hitch on so many things, but his arguments for reparations always seemed to come up flat. Nice video, sir. Your content is totally worth my pateron payments wish I could afford to send you more sir...
This video is an excellent example of why you must never stop doing your work. Wow. Not only did you take Hitch on, but I personally think you gave his position a drubbing.
Well, this is a take from Hitchens that was clearly coming from his Marxist-loving youth (which he never renounced but was always honest about), so yeah, taking this one apart was not only necessary but not THAT hard. Nevertheless, kudos to @Voltaire's Ghost for actually having the guts to take him on. The way "debate" works these days he could easily get hate from Hitchens-fans. But on the other hand, Hitchens-fans ARE Hitchens-fans because we love a spirited debate and even letting our idols get taken down a notch. :-) So yeah, he would probably have loved this video. I still miss him. His input is needed in todays world more than ever, even if he was occasionally wrong, but who isn't?
Interesting idea. Maybe give them 1-5 years worth of minimum wage salary in a lump sum, along with a one-way plane ticket to a West African nation willing to take them, but they automatically renounce their US citizenship and are never eligible for American citizenship again. Any applicants must submit to a genealogy test if requested and if found to have any of the following: - A known slave owner as an ancestor. - Less than say... 75% West African DNA. - No ancestors living in the USA further than 2 generations prior (e.g. if you're not at least a 3rd generation American) Then those applicants are automatically disqualified. Any descendants they have are eligible to apply for citizenship though- it has to be fair- but they personally are disqualified for life. I'm not American, but it would be interesting to see how many would take the offer. You could probably count the amount on a shark's fingers.
I have days where I absolutely loath the internet to such an extent that I wish it were wiped from the earth, but then I remember that because of it's existence, I was able to come across Voltaire's Ghost, and that train of thought quickly vanishes
Do you remember the world before the internet?! Jebus, it was a dark and astoundingly ignorant place where the fog of war surrounded the little pocket of each individual.
@@mogznwaz It was also the debate format they were sticking to - his task wasn't 'tell us your personal position on reparations,' it was 'make a good case for reparations.' Loury doesn't fully adhere to everything he argues either. Ultimately the conclusion isn't 'there is clearly no argument for reparations.'
What didn't he get wrong? He was wrong about the social utility of religion. Wrong about reparations. Wrong about the Iraq War. The guy was a walking blunder & is praised because he had a sharp wit comedically speaking. That's it.
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for Voltaire's Ghost?
I feel so ashamed I've forgotten all about Alt Hyp, how can he be found these days, he must've been banned by now, no? I fuckin LOVE that dude, Ryan isn't it?
Reparations for descendants of slavery to me is ridiculous because they have actually benefited from it. Most of them if not all of them wouldn't have been born if it wasn't for slavery and they wouldn't live in one of the most civilized and free countries in the world, and that's all the reparations they need.
The actual slaves or former slaves of the time didn’t want to go to Africa by and large. It was tried and something that Lincoln for a time at least supported.
Well what's ridiculous is a war was fought to free the slaves, we've gone through segregation and the undoing of segregation and now because people are such fucking idiots and don't know their history it looks like we're headed backwards
He was an extremely smart sophist. Once you assume one position you oppose him on, you notice and you never forget. Almost all of his arguments were based in emotionality.
@@noimnotnice Interesting. No wonder so many of the people I argue with online, specifically in the "atheist" community, argue from emotion. I mean he's revered by so many on the left & right, cannot help but wonder how much his influence shaped their style.
Thank you, this debate of Christopher’s also struck me as off his usual approach. Bravo good Sir for the attention and I know I’m not alone. One Johnny Walker Black coming up.
That’s because this is a video from a debating society. Hitchens drew pro on this debate. It’s inaccurate to say that his actual position was pro reparations. He was simply arguing this side because that’s what he drew for this debate. I remember watching this live.
*_Maybe he could 'Hitch' up with Christopher and share their acerbic putdown stories of people they have verbally eviscerated over the years_* *_(that's if Hitchens was mistaken about an 'afterlife' ) ..._*
Philip was NOT Catholic. R.I.P is an RC saying keep it for dead papists. It's a waste of time as papists and heathens will find NO rest where they're destined for. Phil the Greek was hated here in UK a horrible person devoid of virtues. The Queen we Brits love Philip her adulterous hubby wanted to be reincarnated as a Virus to depopulate the world KILLING millions of innocent people.
Oh Voltaire, you cunning fox. You and Red Letter Media are two of the few channels who's uploads will guarantee quality. You deserve a lot more subscribers and views.
@@TKOS96 I think he would have competed with Stephen Fry for that debate slot alongside Doctor Peterson, the latter of whom I personally find to have filled Hitch's niche in my philosophical diet. Hitch exposed me to Religion's lies, Peterson plucked the wisdom of the Scriptures from the fire.
Thanks VG. The content from AIU and your self are the only two I have started to make contributions to, as I find these above and beyond any other I come across. Also appreciate the recent increase of videos being uploaded. Will aim to upgrade from bronze level member when able to. Keep up the good work.
in the last video i told you that if the rate of video creation will continue i will go back to supporting you, and i just did. Congratulations to both of us - you for being able to buy a cup of coffee and me for supporting a good content creator
As you become older and wiser, you realise that just because someone is particularly talented or intelligent in one or more subjects, it doesn't mean they know jack about anything else. There are often incredibly intelligent people who show shocking lack of wisdom in areas outside their expertise. I love to watch Hitchens in religious debates for example, but that's about it.
I am not an irreligious person, but I see a very bad habit of some like Hitchens to smack around the absolute lowest hanging fruits. The man is not above being blinded by his own biases or poor experiences in life. Judging by what I've seen in European churches (and history), I get why most Europeans look at the church with skepticism. Most Americans have never been to or experienced an actual believer of true conviction. I am merely a babe in my faith walk, but I completely understand why people would believe the way they do.
@@Johnsmith-fz2dm And yet people could still be suffering from stage 3 Trump derangement syndrome. Harris was one of those fools who I lost almost all respect for
I remember him defending the Iraq war in a super naive manner. He seriously believed they would install real, lasting democracy and thinking the parachuted exile politicians were beyond corruption.
Hitchens didn't understand perhaps that Lenin also considered himself a defender of democracy. Democracy in Canada when all mainstream news is gov t funded and the government has algorithmic control of the internet in Canada. Democracy means a few different things to different people Lenin of course had a different idea than the typical naive person is thinking. Democracy.
@@nuckygulliver9607 Some stuff Lenin preached before getting truly into power could be considered democratic. The whole idea of the soviet republic, where workers elect representatives who can also be recalled again instantly. He just ditched all those ideas and after his stroke, he wrote some very self critical things, reflecting on his use of violence.
Great video. And that point about his argument about original sin was very well said. I really would have liked to see his response to that. RIP Hitchens.
I would guess he'd say that original sin is an imaginary crime; slavery was an actual crime and as a country the US still benefits from that stolen labour. Pretty simple. What he can't refute is that this is impractical to implement and will be incredibly divisive.
@@kelvincasing5265 I suppose he might, though I can imagine the retort would be that if he was arguing in principle against religion, his principled argument doesn't carry over to reality perhaps. Totally agree that it's impractical and divisive. Divisivness has created a lot of careers these days.
As a Black American, this issue bedevils me as others cannot see how this will actually lead to more racial tensions, not less. Similar to the proposed program in Oakland California where poor "people of color", a term I detest (also "Colored People"=Bad, "People of Color"=Good🤔?), may received guaranteed income from the city whereas poor "non People of Color", also known as White People and Asians (depending on whether or not there is a political advantage to be gained by Leftist Activist this week), are to be left out. Now, seriously, who thinks that a program like that is going to "heal racial injustices" within that community? I guarantee that when the poor White or Asian family is struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and buy presents for their kid's birthday, the fact that their Black neighbors are receiving $1500 per month is going to create envy and anger not happiness and unity. And I've not even addressed how damaging to the Black American psyche this and many other thought processes are.
Umm.... Not sure how this was lost in the history of America; "With the passage of the Transportation Act 1717, the British used colonial North America as a penal colony. It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America and the majority landed in the Chesapeake Colonies of Maryland and Virginia." "Convicts would be transported by private companies and sold by auction to plantation owners. About 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America. This was about one quarter of British settlers during the 1700s."
The thing about reparations is that once the money has been spent, on a crappy home, paying off student and credit card debt etc the recipient will return twice as anxious and double the hands out. Like every other terrible idea in current year reparations will have a sequel. Reparations 2. This is because it is not something that can be given over once and then we all move on. It will keep boiling up times and again and that is because it is not a free choice, but blackmail.
If reparations were to be (reasonably) implemented it could never be in the form of a lump sum. It would have to be a continuous payment (and perhaps other privileges) for a century or more. You are perfectly right that it would be spent on spinner rims, lottery tickets, drugs and junk food and the next month everything would be back to zero and nothing would be achieved.
@@nikolajwinther5955 That's correct. These fools will keep on blowing the money mostly on nonsense; but they'll likely even try to live off the money so they'll have no motivation to work, and everyone who has to pay for their free ride through life will, rightfully, resent them for it. No matter how much money these unworthy recipients get, it'll never be enough for them. They'll always go back to big daddy government for an even bigger allowance. The cycle will just go on and on and on and on.
"It will open the floodgates and deepen division across America and the world at large." Yup, pretty sure that's exactly why they're doing it. I remember watching this when it originally aired, I love Hitch, but he didn't convince me then either. I'm incredibly old.
When working in Nigeria I recall sitting watching a news article about slavery with my girlfriends twin teenage cousins. They asked me why the black Americans were complaining that they should be grateful. That someone should please come and take them. 😂
Man you put together a good argument. Great work, as always. I wish we could see what Hitchins has to say about this. I find it very surprising that he made the argument he made.
He is a genuine legend. Who absolutely bravely spoke the truth, where others cower to pc pressures. Particularly regarding the ills of organized religion. Christopher was the greatest orator I've ever heard, never an umm or aahhh while engaging in the highest level debates. A stunning vocabulary, wit and charm. I implore anyone who hasn't had the pleasure to google him and listen.
It would just be weird if he were right about everything. Even living in a low average IQ/high violent crime country (the two usually go hand in hand) can give one a different and perhaps more accurate perspective on things. South Africa is a case in point: very few people who live in relatively safe countries understand that passive (a low contribution to the violent crime and predatory aggression statistics), high average IQ groups shy away from seemingly violent by nature groups with a low average IQ because of survival; if they don't remove themselves from the violence, they get wiped out: the thousands upon thousands of white crosses (the tip of the iceberg) are testament to the fact. Those who live in relatively safe countries with homogeneous cultures are more likely to call the need for separation in the "rainbow nation," racism! You have to live in a house to know where the leaks are.
Oof! I thought it was impossible to slap the Hitch,....you done it. I’m a first generation American of German descent. The slave trade had nothing to do with me or my lineage. If the government uses my money to fund reparations, that would be (for me) “Taxation without representation”......we fought the war of independence over that.
Most Americans had little to do with it. If nothing else anyone who had an ancestor fight for the federals should be exempted from paying reparations. Especially if they freaking died in the damn war. If present day African Americans deserve reparations for their ancestors actual suffering from slavery than the descendants of those who died in the war while fighting for the federals that led to end of slavery should be exempt from paying.
I suppose the argument would be that it's the US as a country that still benefits, therefore it's the US making the repayments, not individuals. The impracticality of this given that government is funded by taxation is another reason why it's not feasible to pay reparations. But if the government could pay with some historic funds that weren't raised by taxation... maybe. Even then it would create huge division with some saying too much and others saying not enough.
““If you were to give reparations to everyone whose ancestors had been slaves, I suspect that you would have to give reparations to more than half the entire population of the globe. Slavery was not confined to one set of races.” -Thomas Sowell If you control the language you control the mind’ was an important theme explored by British writer George Orwell in his iconic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. As US analyst Jem Berkes explains, “Demonstrating the repeated abuse of language by the government and by the media in his novel, Orwell shows how language can be used politically to deceive and manipulate people, leading to a society in which the people unquestioningly obey their government and mindlessly accept all propaganda as reality… “Orwell’s novel paints a nightmarish picture of a totalitarian system gone to the absolute extreme, but it is a novel that is fundamentally about psychological control of the public… psychological tactics (manipulation of people through language) can be continuously applied to the general public without raising great public opposition or fear - and that is where its strength lies.” Without a doubt, language is now being used by the cultural Marxist left in the United States (the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) as an instrument of political control to shape reality, conceal the truth, and manipulate history. It’s why language is at the heart of the plan for the Chinese CP compromised white left’s campaign for ethno-Socialist Black/indigenous supremacy - as with the analogy of two dogs herding a mob of 500 sheep, it only takes a tiny minority, just a couple of noisy, aggressive, snarling canine bully sheepdogs, rolling in heavy with bluff and intimidation, to shepherd the entire flock of sheep into any pen they so desire.
@@br4624 probably religion as well. The destruction of religion was great, but what’s important is building community. Religion allows for cultural norms to be solidified in communities. Keeping cohesion and creating meaning for humans. I heard a quote a while ago, “I don’t believe in god, but I live my life as though I do”. That’s a statement Id like Hitchens to reconcile.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 he would still consider religion babyish, it barely has any meaning nowadays to the majority of people in western Europe, the Abrahamic religions are totalitarian.
@@KentRoads *_I'm looking at the whole man and his take on most things in life. I never said, or even inferred that I agreed with him on "Reparations", as Voltaire_* *_himself says he respects and agrees with him on lots of things, but just not on THAT point, it is allowed ..._*
Well, to tell the truth, as a native Greek speaker, I can only say that our language was pretty much treated just as the Parthenon, butchered but the spirit is still there.
I don't see how they were robbed, would they rather have their descendants in Africa today? I agree fully with the "we did them a favour"-argument. They were slaves already back home, they were just brought to a richer place. Can't be bad conscience on my part since I'm not even american.
Would you rather live free in your own poor country or be brutally kidnapped and used as slave labour in a richer country so your offspring might one day be citizens of that country ?
@@snowflakemelter1172 that's also a good point, I think the original commenter was basing it on the fact that these people who were sold to the sailors from the west were already slaves. They were taken as slaves by Africans, abolition of slavery is a freak event, everyone has always conquered and always taken slaves. But yes I would prefer even enslaved to stay on my own continent.
@@alexanderfox-robinson4910 I would think once the news got round that Europeans were buying slaves on a huge scale it motivated other blacks to enslave more and more of their countrymen for profit. That doesn't absolve them of blame though.
I've just found this channel after multiple shoutouts from the Lotus Eaters. I'm astounded you don't have more subscribers and predict that this will not be the case for long.
People all over the world had no conception of safeguarding historical monuments and archaeological sites. they basically shat all over them. English archaeologists came along and in many cases undertook restoration work in the absence of anyone else who gave a flying toss about the ancient past. The Elgin Marbles were not 'stolen', they were taken into safeguarding at the British Museum to stop them being carted away to prop up some local man's barns. Now perhaps the conditions may be right for returning them to a Greek government which finally appreciates its archaeology, however there should be a bill for storage and transportation in return.
A great video as always. Would you be interested in doing a video tracing Hitchen's political and ideological leanings and evolution? He seems like a complicated man. Thanks for the great video as always.
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To be fair, I think hitch got a lot wrong.
Yooza delm rayciss
I am not wealthy by coin but by bronn... may I repay you like that?
I was surprised not to see your image with the classic white fedora for this video VG
"Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat." - Muhammad Ali after visiting Africa
Did he actually say that? Pretty based
@@baconboi4482 he also that any man would want a child that looked like them, in reference to race mixing.
Is that a direct quote? Nice.
It is indeed, Voltaire's Ghost. An answer to the question "Champ, what did you think of Africa?".
I know all the natives here in the USA that own smoke shops and casinos feel the same 😂
I have been convinced, some African king's descendants should be paying reparations to the descendants of the people who their forefathers kidnapped and sold.
And pay back the money or goods they received in payment for the slaves
Africans themselves have said this, and have issued apologies -- including tribal chiefs and national heads of state.
@@73elephants no cash though ehh
touche
@@snakeplissken5480 You expected cash?
Love how people are so ready to give OTHER PEOPLE'S stuff away with such vigor.
Stunning and brave aren’t they.
They actually think this makes them good people as well.
marxists are like that.
Of you’re referring to anyone who can be labeled white in 2023 then yeah you’re right, however, if one can trace the generational lineage of wealth expropriated through unpaid labor and the parties involved then you might be able to redistribute that which was taken, it’s not as simple as this reactionary comment section would assume
The fact that you're addressing Christopher Hitchens' arguments, as opposed to Ta-Nehasi Coates' arguments shows that you mean to seriously debunk the "steel-man" argument for reparations. And I think you've done a fantastic job. I commend your intellectual fortitude. I still can't help but be dazzled by Hitchens' charm and wit.
He's a razzle dazzle man
Hitchens is a titan to Coates rock.
Right or wrong he was incredibly entertaining and rhetorically gifted.
Hitchens would have argued the opposite case with equal wit and charm. He was Mr Argue
Hitchens had a real gift for controversy ( shameless) but as an intellect? He handed his brain over when he took on an ideology. All ideologues stop thinking when they embrace one.
He was a wasted gift.
Yes! This Hitchens argument has always left me unimpressed. The Elgin Marbles, is an apples and oranges misconception.
Even champions and heroes have flaws and can be wrong from time to time. The great thing about Christopher Hitchens was that he was never afraid of facing disagreement. He was ferocious in his intellectual independence, never afraid of being controversial. A great loss to the 21st century, the political environment, and humanity as a whole.
@roklok nita he was a FOOL.
Now he's dead and irrelevant. The end.
His brother Peter is wiser by FAR.
@@RevGary He's certainly less controversial.
Agreed, although it would have been beneficial for him to find Christ before his passing
@@rokloknita9494 Controversial isn't inherently good.
@@RevGary why because he believes in an unprovable sky daddy?
“Slavery and exploitation doomed Africa a future of poverty and starvation”
Institutions make for a wealthy country, not natural resources.
Africa is one of the richest continents in terms of natural resources, but there is a lack of institutions and order - and where there is, there is mass growth. Some African countries have grown in wealth faster than European countries lately.
Japan sits on a piece of volcanic rock, yet has a great economy.
*continent
But point stands.
This discussion is still very narrow viewed, looking at it only from racial lines, when there were white slaves and black slave owners too. What of the descendants of black people who became criminals? Sure, you could argue that their criminality is in part the result of slavery, but how much can you remove personal responsibility of the individuals themselves, and why does this not apply to the slavers?
@@defeqel6537 Ah yes, silly me. Pardon the mistake.
Why are people worrying about reparations instead of migrant influxes.
People just... forgot about it. It's no longer a popular thing to complain about.
Everyone's gone pure "only identity politics is good/bad".
Why indeed...
Older more based civilizations recognized large migrations of different or incompatible groups for what they were, a form of warfare.
In group preference or primacy used to be the norm, European societies and their offshoots have somehow been convinced that diversity and bloated welfare states are the key to a better future.
The taxpayers funding of the slow regression to 3rd worldism is to remain unquestioned and even cheered as the preferable outcome
because talking about controlling borders is verbotten
@@brenttrent8811 The Soviets used citizen relocation for political goals all the time, sometimes with entire ethnic groups.
Aaron Lai• a lot of people, sorry a huge number of people are not happy with mass migration and illegal immigration into the UK. They are either labelled racist, or their voices not heard.
Hitch was such a wolverine that Voltaire's Ghost had to wait 10 years after his death to start a beef with him.
Had to avoid getting Hitch slapped by the wit.
How do you even begin debating Hitchens
He smashed the best of them
and easily mind you
Exercise in futility
This is just more proof how the 3 of the 4 new atheist horsemen, actually helped open up the door even more for CULTURAL MARXISTS , in their WHITE GUILT.
Thats right *Richard Dawkins* suffers from white guilt ( just like any leftist liberal ) and *Christopher Hitchens* ( suffered from it )
And well *Sam Harris* is a JEW, he can use the " I AM A JEW " i had nothing to do with what white people did, so he suffers from no guilt, but he also had his hand in . influencing many white people to become ridden with GUILT and growing up with no meaning in life.
@@tanelviil9149
Except the entire time the left have been trying to destroy Richard, Dan, and Sam....
We simply didnt realize the Marxists were usurping our movement
How could we, we were never warned about the insidious tools communists use to manipulated the masses
At least this time we learned far sooner
..... and in time to remove this white guilt crap
@@azmanabdula the majority of people need meaning in their life and the natural conclusion of atheism is nihilism as such the masses of a godless society will find a new God in communism most people can't handle the notion that they are just a meaningless accident of the universe and once it's over its over
Given that slavery was going on in Africa since time immemorial, and that Europeans basically just rocked up on the coast and bought what the locals were selling - which included slaves - surely "African Americans" should demand reparations from the African tribes that took the slaves and sold them on?
That happened, the African governments they approached told them to do one.
I’ve agreed with Hitch on so many things, but his arguments for reparations always seemed to come up flat. Nice video, sir. Your content is totally worth my pateron payments wish I could afford to send you more sir...
Your contribution is very much appreciated.
Yes. It was his weakest argument. Still a great admirer of CH. A great man and deeply missed.
His analogy referencing the Parthenon sounds like more of an argument for repatriation.
-this post was made by Liberia gang
I'd vote for that.
Generational guilt lead's to generational hate lead's to generational war
What the political class and the military-industrial complex want.
This video is an excellent example of why you must never stop doing your work. Wow. Not only did you take Hitch on, but I personally think you gave his position a drubbing.
Seconded
A jolly good drubbing, and he would thank you for it!
Hitchens himself would despise a person just accepting his arguments on face value.
Well, this is a take from Hitchens that was clearly coming from his Marxist-loving youth (which he never renounced but was always honest about), so yeah, taking this one apart was not only necessary but not THAT hard. Nevertheless, kudos to @Voltaire's Ghost for actually having the guts to take him on. The way "debate" works these days he could easily get hate from Hitchens-fans.
But on the other hand, Hitchens-fans ARE Hitchens-fans because we love a spirited debate and even letting our idols get taken down a notch. :-)
So yeah, he would probably have loved this video.
I still miss him. His input is needed in todays world more than ever, even if he was occasionally wrong, but who isn't?
@@thinkingdevil An excellent description of even-handedness - to be able to be self-critical and objective, even about our idols.
Don’t mind me. Just feeding a cookie to the algorithm doggo 🐶
Same
The algorithm thanks you and I thank you x
Woot.
Good dog.
Hello witch.
We can pay reparations but the people paid reparations should be returned to Africa. Then things can be squared.
Reparations only with repatriation.
Interesting idea.
Maybe give them 1-5 years worth of minimum wage salary in a lump sum, along with a one-way plane ticket to a West African nation willing to take them, but they automatically renounce their US citizenship and are never eligible for American citizenship again.
Any applicants must submit to a genealogy test if requested and if found to have any of the following:
- A known slave owner as an ancestor.
- Less than say... 75% West African DNA.
- No ancestors living in the USA further than 2 generations prior (e.g. if you're not at least a 3rd generation American)
Then those applicants are automatically disqualified.
Any descendants they have are eligible to apply for citizenship though- it has to be fair- but they personally are disqualified for life.
I'm not American, but it would be interesting to see how many would take the offer. You could probably count the amount on a shark's fingers.
I have days where I absolutely loath the internet to such an extent that I wish it were wiped from the earth, but then I remember that because of it's existence, I was able to come across Voltaire's Ghost, and that train of thought quickly vanishes
Do you remember the world before the internet?! Jebus, it was a dark and astoundingly ignorant place where the fog of war surrounded the little pocket of each individual.
@@circleofsorrow4583 I remember the "Ignorance is Strength" of pre-internet life...
Larry Elder is another alongside Thomas Sowell who discusses the issues.
And also Jesse Lee Peterson
Ryan Faulk - The Alternative Hypothesis. His redpills destroy any and all oppression narratives.
“Gibs me dat”
Vs
“Dont give my tax dollars to ingrates”
Bless you for the Blackadder clips 🖤
It was a cunning plan
@@abigailslade3824 So cunning you could put a tail on it an call it a weasel.
"An injustice to be solved"
Except he would never get them to relinquish their victimhood. All negotiation would be made in bad faith.
Yeah I love Hitch and this position was always the one thing that I was never able to understand.
Don't forget the "waterboarding isn't torture" fiasco.
Still he was almost always right and eloquent to boot.
Me too. I think it was the socialist in him, he couldn't help himself
@@mogznwaz It was also the debate format they were sticking to - his task wasn't 'tell us your personal position on reparations,' it was 'make a good case for reparations.' Loury doesn't fully adhere to everything he argues either.
Ultimately the conclusion isn't 'there is clearly no argument for reparations.'
Rest In Peace, Prince Philip. Condolences from the States.
@Kayne Ghastly!
You're being sarcastic, right?
@Kayne He gave it but the walking corpse couldn't even be bothered making the statement with the bust of Churchill anywhere to be seen.
That's not Prince Philip mate
Ooh...wonder if poor, oppressed harry and meg will go to the funeral...
No one is perfect, or correct, all the time. Not even Hitchens, who got this one badly wrong.
Good video.
What didn't he get wrong? He was wrong about the social utility of religion. Wrong about reparations. Wrong about the Iraq War. The guy was a walking blunder & is praised because he had a sharp wit comedically speaking. That's it.
They were given an entire country in Africa all they had to do was go there. Some did and enslaved the natives they found there.
Liberia is such an interesting country. Ever heard of General Butt Naked?
@@rossevanricamara4169 Yes
Yeah the blacks of the day where like we want to stay here.
15:16 "What did the Romans ever do for Voltaire's Ghost?" - hahahahaha!
All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for Voltaire's Ghost?
- "The Womans?"
- "No, _Romans_ ."
Yeah Rog, remember how the town smelled before sanitation.
Roman propaganda.
These little Britunculii..
I recall Alternative Hypothesis did an interesting video titled "A CASE FOR REPARATIONS"
@@robindebanque8736 Yeah and I think it got deleted and then someone else reuploaded.
Yes Ryan Faulk is one of the best
I feel so ashamed I've forgotten all about Alt Hyp, how can he be found these days, he must've been banned by now, no? I fuckin LOVE that dude, Ryan isn't it?
He pre-emptively took his channel down and moved to bitchute.
That was a good video.
Devan Tracy has his feet kicked up on his desk right now with a smile that I'm sure cannot be erased by the toughest of the weak. Good show old man.
Reparations for descendants of slavery to me is ridiculous because they have actually benefited from it. Most of them if not all of them wouldn't have been born if it wasn't for slavery and they wouldn't live in one of the most civilized and free countries in the world, and that's all the reparations they need.
The actual slaves or former slaves of the time didn’t want to go to Africa by and large. It was tried and something that Lincoln for a time at least supported.
@@jacquelineking5783 The ones who did want to go formed Liberia
@@defeqel6537 been ages than I read about it. I vaguely remember something less than 10000 actually went.
Well what's ridiculous is a war was fought to free the slaves, we've gone through segregation and the undoing of segregation and now because people are such fucking idiots and don't know their history it looks like we're headed backwards
What about all the cases of MODERN slavery around the world? I think those victims are the real earners of compensation.
It's beautiful that even a decade after Hitch's death we are still talking about him. What a human.
@Beki he was a FOOL.
Now he's dead and irrelevant. The end.
His brother Peter is wiser by FAR.
He was a great of his time
Now, is not his time.
Many of his opinions are just not very good in this woke era.
@@edwardmcmanus he was a libtard FOOL.
@@RevGary he transitioned further to the right as he grew older. No harm in that. That's wisdom.
@@footube3 he died an atheist bud. No wisdom in that.
13:29
"Watch as people change the subject"
Hitch mate you just did that
He was an extremely smart sophist. Once you assume one position you oppose him on, you notice and you never forget. Almost all of his arguments were based in emotionality.
@@noimnotnice Interesting. No wonder so many of the people I argue with online, specifically in the "atheist" community, argue from emotion. I mean he's revered by so many on the left & right, cannot help but wonder how much his influence shaped their style.
@@matronmalice9867 your point really gets me thinking
Thank you, this debate of Christopher’s also struck me as off his usual approach. Bravo good Sir for the attention and I know I’m not alone.
One Johnny Walker Black coming up.
That’s because this is a video from a debating society. Hitchens drew pro on this debate. It’s inaccurate to say that his actual position was pro reparations. He was simply arguing this side because that’s what he drew for this debate. I remember watching this live.
Rest in peace His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
*_Maybe he could 'Hitch' up with Christopher and share their acerbic putdown stories of people they have verbally eviscerated over the years_*
*_(that's if Hitchens was mistaken about an 'afterlife' ) ..._*
May the old boy rest in peace. He definitely deserves it.
DMX died, how dare you! Morn tomorrow
Agreed, Requiesce In Pace bless him.
Philip was NOT Catholic. R.I.P is an RC saying keep it for dead papists. It's a waste of time as papists and heathens will find NO rest where they're destined for. Phil the Greek was hated here in UK a horrible person devoid of virtues. The Queen we Brits love Philip her adulterous hubby wanted to be reincarnated as a Virus to depopulate the world KILLING millions of innocent people.
Oh Voltaire, you cunning fox. You and Red Letter Media are two of the few channels who's uploads will guarantee quality. You deserve a lot more subscribers and views.
Lol... ok. 🤣
Spot on!
"Prudence is not only the first in rank of the virtues political and moral, but she is the director and regulator, the standard of them all."
Imagine if Hitchen’s was woke if he was still alive. I think that would be the ultimate black pill.
If Glenn Greenwald can come back from the leftist cult, Hitchens would have been a similar example at the worst.
@@RandomizedCTRL Hitchens was never a snowflake. He'd be a champion of the sensible left, making fun of virtue signaling pseudo-liberals.
@@TKOS96 I think he would have competed with Stephen Fry for that debate slot alongside Doctor Peterson, the latter of whom I personally find to have filled Hitch's niche in my philosophical diet. Hitch exposed me to Religion's lies, Peterson plucked the wisdom of the Scriptures from the fire.
You agreed with James O'Brian last time and here you are challenging the Hitchinator #ConcernIntensifies lol
🍺 in my hand, what perfect timing as nothing on TV as usual
Who knew Hitchens was a ‘We was Kangz’ type
I've been looking forward to this.
Thanks VG. The content from AIU and your self are the only two I have started to make contributions to, as I find these above and beyond any other I come across.
Also appreciate the recent increase of videos being uploaded. Will aim to upgrade from bronze level member when able to.
Keep up the good work.
Love your vids, keep up the great work.
Thanks for your work.
Greetings from Germany.
in the last video i told you that if the rate of video creation will continue i will go back to supporting you, and i just did. Congratulations to both of us - you for being able to buy a cup of coffee and me for supporting a good content creator
Thank you :)
Great video, appreciat the work that went in this video
As you become older and wiser, you realise that just because someone is particularly talented or intelligent in one or more subjects, it doesn't mean they know jack about anything else.
There are often incredibly intelligent people who show shocking lack of wisdom in areas outside their expertise.
I love to watch Hitchens in religious debates for example, but that's about it.
I am not an irreligious person, but I see a very bad habit of some like Hitchens to smack around the absolute lowest hanging fruits.
The man is not above being blinded by his own biases or poor experiences in life. Judging by what I've seen in European churches (and history), I get why most Europeans look at the church with skepticism. Most Americans have never been to or experienced an actual believer of true conviction.
I am merely a babe in my faith walk, but I completely understand why people would believe the way they do.
@Colm m Trump is a spastic mate, cmon.
@@kylekatarn5964 I suggest you watch his debate with stephen fry against the Catholic church.... it doesnt end well for one side xD
@@Johnsmith-fz2dm And yet people could still be suffering from stage 3 Trump derangement syndrome. Harris was one of those fools who I lost almost all respect for
I remember him defending the Iraq war in a super naive manner. He seriously believed they would install real, lasting democracy and thinking the parachuted exile politicians were beyond corruption.
Well there are still people, who believe in WMDs in Iraq...it could be worse ;)
Hitchens didn't understand perhaps that Lenin also considered himself a defender of democracy. Democracy in Canada when all mainstream news is gov t funded and the government has algorithmic control of the internet in Canada. Democracy means a few different things to different people Lenin of course had a different idea than the typical naive person is thinking. Democracy.
@@nuckygulliver9607 Some stuff Lenin preached before getting truly into power could be considered democratic. The whole idea of the soviet republic, where workers elect representatives who can also be recalled again instantly. He just ditched all those ideas and after his stroke, he wrote some very self critical things, reflecting on his use of violence.
Great video. And that point about his argument about original sin was very well said. I really would have liked to see his response to that. RIP Hitchens.
I would guess he'd say that original sin is an imaginary crime; slavery was an actual crime and as a country the US still benefits from that stolen labour. Pretty simple. What he can't refute is that this is impractical to implement and will be incredibly divisive.
@@kelvincasing5265 I suppose he might, though I can imagine the retort would be that if he was arguing in principle against religion, his principled argument doesn't carry over to reality perhaps.
Totally agree that it's impractical and divisive. Divisivness has created a lot of careers these days.
brilliant as always VG
I always find that the ability to question even one’s heroes is the sign of an intelligent and moral mind, kudos to you VG my friend.
Well said, totally agree.
As a Black American, this issue bedevils me as others cannot see how this will actually lead to more racial tensions, not less. Similar to the proposed program in Oakland California where poor "people of color", a term I detest (also "Colored People"=Bad, "People of Color"=Good🤔?), may received guaranteed income from the city whereas poor "non People of Color", also known as White People and Asians (depending on whether or not there is a political advantage to be gained by Leftist Activist this week), are to be left out. Now, seriously, who thinks that a program like that is going to "heal racial injustices" within that community? I guarantee that when the poor White or Asian family is struggling to put food on the table, gas in the car, and buy presents for their kid's birthday, the fact that their Black neighbors are receiving $1500 per month is going to create envy and anger not happiness and unity. And I've not even addressed how damaging to the Black American psyche this and many other thought processes are.
Hitchens' argument endorsing reparations is like hearing The Beatles recording Octopus' Garden. It's a gnome in an otherwise splendid garden of work.
Awww I like Octopus - George Harrison's guitar lines are particularly radiant - but I appreciate the simile 😁
@@ThinWhiteAxe I love that song, and Harrison's guitar work is some of his best imo.
If you pay it will not be enough, and if you put a price on a life you open dangerous door's, we all have a price.
Best channel remaining on RUclips
Umm.... Not sure how this was lost in the history of America;
"With the passage of the Transportation Act 1717, the British used colonial North America as a penal colony. It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America and the majority landed in the Chesapeake Colonies of Maryland and Virginia." "Convicts would be transported by private companies and sold by auction to plantation owners. About 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America. This was about one quarter of British settlers during the 1700s."
The thing about reparations is that once the money has been spent, on a crappy home, paying off student and credit card debt etc the recipient will return twice as anxious and double the hands out. Like every other terrible idea in current year reparations will have a sequel. Reparations 2. This is because it is not something that can be given over once and then we all move on. It will keep boiling up times and again and that is because it is not a free choice, but blackmail.
If reparations were to be (reasonably) implemented it could never be in the form of a lump sum. It would have to be a continuous payment (and perhaps other privileges) for a century or more.
You are perfectly right that it would be spent on spinner rims, lottery tickets, drugs and junk food and the next month everything would be back to zero and nothing would be achieved.
@@nikolajwinther5955 That's correct. These fools will keep on blowing the money mostly on nonsense; but they'll likely even try to live off the money so they'll have no motivation to work, and everyone who has to pay for their free ride through life will, rightfully, resent them for it. No matter how much money these unworthy recipients get, it'll never be enough for them. They'll always go back to big daddy government for an even bigger allowance. The cycle will just go on and on and on and on.
I love your brilliant channel. Keep up the AWESOME WORK! BTW can I ask where you grew up? I'm intrigued by your accent.
"It will open the floodgates and deepen division across America and the world at large." Yup, pretty sure that's exactly why they're doing it. I remember watching this when it originally aired, I love Hitch, but he didn't convince me then either. I'm incredibly old.
I didn't know Hitchens held that position on reparations... in which case I also disagree with him.
Such a pleasure to listen though - him and you
When working in Nigeria I recall sitting watching a news article about slavery with my girlfriends twin teenage cousins. They asked me why the black Americans were complaining that they should be grateful. That someone should please come and take them. 😂
Wonderful video, thank you good sir.
Man you put together a good argument. Great work, as always. I wish we could see what Hitchins has to say about this. I find it very surprising that he made the argument he made.
He is a genuine legend.
Who absolutely bravely spoke the truth, where others cower to pc pressures. Particularly regarding the ills of organized religion.
Christopher was the greatest orator I've ever heard, never an umm or aahhh while engaging in the highest level debates. A stunning vocabulary, wit and charm.
I implore anyone who hasn't had the pleasure to google him and listen.
@@BluntofHwicce Indeed. I didn't say I agree with 100% of his views tho. We're all allowed to be wrong occasionally
Just assisting the algorithm,
What a great video. I’m finally going to sign up to subscribe star to help support your content.
Much appreciated :)
I'm British, and I often think about What the Romans did for us.
Honestly, I was expecting a Life of Brian clip when you mentioned roads and viaducts.
And the sanitation....
People's Front of Judea
He was wrong about atheism and Trotskyism, too, but I still like him.
It would just be weird if he were right about everything. Even living in a low average IQ/high violent crime country (the two usually go hand in hand) can give one a different and perhaps more accurate perspective on things. South Africa is a case in point: very few people who live in relatively safe countries understand that passive (a low contribution to the violent crime and predatory aggression statistics), high average IQ groups shy away from seemingly violent by nature groups with a low average IQ because of survival; if they don't remove themselves from the violence, they get wiped out: the thousands upon thousands of white crosses (the tip of the iceberg) are testament to the fact. Those who live in relatively safe countries with homogeneous cultures are more likely to call the need for separation in the "rainbow nation," racism! You have to live in a house to know where the leaks are.
Occasionally the razor had a dull edge
great video
Very well constructed.
A criticism: Obama is less african-american than Elon Musk and shouldn't be used as an example in the improvements of standards of african-americans.
Oof! I thought it was impossible to slap the Hitch,....you done it.
I’m a first generation American of German descent. The slave trade had nothing to do with me or my lineage. If the government uses my money to fund reparations, that would be (for me) “Taxation without representation”......we fought the war of independence over that.
Most Americans had little to do with it. If nothing else anyone who had an ancestor fight for the federals should be exempted from paying reparations. Especially if they freaking died in the damn war. If present day African Americans deserve reparations for their ancestors actual suffering from slavery than the descendants of those who died in the war while fighting for the federals that led to end of slavery should be exempt from paying.
I suppose the argument would be that it's the US as a country that still benefits, therefore it's the US making the repayments, not individuals. The impracticality of this given that government is funded by taxation is another reason why it's not feasible to pay reparations. But if the government could pay with some historic funds that weren't raised by taxation... maybe. Even then it would create huge division with some saying too much and others saying not enough.
Amazing work mate.
Thank you for keeping Hitchins with us.
““If you were to give reparations to everyone whose ancestors had been slaves, I suspect that you would have to give reparations to more than half the entire population of the globe. Slavery was not confined to one set of races.”
-Thomas Sowell
If you control the language you control the mind’ was an important theme explored by British writer George Orwell in his iconic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.
As US analyst Jem Berkes explains, “Demonstrating the repeated abuse of language by the government and by the media in his novel, Orwell shows how language can be used politically to deceive and manipulate people, leading to a society in which the people unquestioningly obey their government and mindlessly accept all propaganda as reality…
“Orwell’s novel paints a nightmarish picture of a totalitarian system gone to the absolute extreme, but it is a novel that is fundamentally about psychological control of the public… psychological tactics (manipulation of people through language) can be continuously applied to the general public without raising great public opposition or fear - and that is where its strength lies.”
Without a doubt, language is now being used by the cultural Marxist left in the United States (the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) as an instrument of political control to shape reality, conceal the truth, and manipulate history.
It’s why language is at the heart of the plan for the Chinese CP compromised white left’s campaign for ethno-Socialist Black/indigenous supremacy - as with the analogy of two dogs herding a mob of 500 sheep, it only takes a tiny minority, just a couple of noisy, aggressive, snarling canine bully sheepdogs, rolling in heavy with bluff and intimidation, to shepherd the entire flock of sheep into any pen they so desire.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know the Elgin Marbles were bought from the Turks not stolen.
It's definitely disputed. The British Museum maintains they were purchased legally.
Hitchens is a great example of what alcohol and smoking costs a society. Man, we needed him a few more decades.
No we didn't.
well done, thank you
He was a polymath. I wish he was alive to have debated Jordan Peterson (who is also a polymath)
What's a polymath?
@@johntheherbalistg8756 Someone with a wide-ranging knowledge
@@JaketheJust Ah. Ty 🤙🤙🤙
Hitch vs JLP would be a slaughter not seen since Apollo Creed vs Ivan Drako
@@nihilistlivesmatter A Hitchslapped Peterson...
Hitchens would have been forced to admit he was wrong about alot of things if he were alive today
Please elaborate. What do you have in mind ?
@@br4624 probably religion as well. The destruction of religion was great, but what’s important is building community. Religion allows for cultural norms to be solidified in communities. Keeping cohesion and creating meaning for humans.
I heard a quote a while ago, “I don’t believe in god, but I live my life as though I do”. That’s a statement Id like Hitchens to reconcile.
His position on Iraq would be the elephant in the room. Major blindspot.
@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 he would still consider religion babyish, it barely has any meaning nowadays to the majority of people in western Europe, the Abrahamic religions are totalitarian.
A nice dollop of Douglas Murray is always a good help to prove a point.
@1978ajax damn spellwrecker, thanks I missed that one
No matter how much you give them it will never be enough
*_I wish that he were here with us now. Our country and the world needs him more than ever. A very much missed human ..._*
Yeah, someone that agrees with reparations... GREAT
@@KentRoads
*_I'm looking at the whole man and his take on most things in life. I never said, or even inferred that I agreed with him on "Reparations", as Voltaire_*
*_himself says he respects and agrees with him on lots of things, but just not on THAT point, it is allowed ..._*
But this video is specifically about his views on reparations P:
@@KentRoads
*_What a sad attempt at a credible rebuttal. Trying to save face, don't worry, I understand ..._*
@@KentRoads I bet that wouldn’t be a focal point of his arguments these days. At least, I’d hope so.
Well, to tell the truth, as a native Greek speaker, I can only say that our language was pretty much treated just as the Parthenon, butchered but the spirit is still there.
Please keep posting 😢
Hey there, big fan, was wondering if you could provide the link to the video of Douglas Murray from 23:17 cheers for your vids xo
Sure. In the description.
That Back In Black riff tho
Two Scots guitarist brothers that's why.
I don't see how they were robbed, would they rather have their descendants in Africa today? I agree fully with the "we did them a favour"-argument. They were slaves already back home, they were just brought to a richer place. Can't be bad conscience on my part since I'm not even american.
It's a good argument, but I'd be scared to make it to a group of lefties.
@@alexanderfox-robinson4910 yeah especially since the only liberal part about them is their use of violence.
- me, a liberal
Would you rather live free in your own poor country or be brutally kidnapped and used as slave labour in a richer country so your offspring might one day be citizens of that country ?
@@snowflakemelter1172 that's also a good point, I think the original commenter was basing it on the fact that these people who were sold to the sailors from the west were already slaves. They were taken as slaves by Africans, abolition of slavery is a freak event, everyone has always conquered and always taken slaves. But yes I would prefer even enslaved to stay on my own continent.
@@alexanderfox-robinson4910 I would think once the news got round that Europeans were buying slaves on a huge scale it motivated other blacks to enslave more and more of their countrymen for profit. That doesn't absolve them of blame though.
I've just found this channel after multiple shoutouts from the Lotus Eaters. I'm astounded you don't have more subscribers and predict that this will not be the case for long.
People all over the world had no conception of safeguarding historical monuments and archaeological sites. they basically shat all over them. English archaeologists came along and in many cases undertook restoration work in the absence of anyone else who gave a flying toss about the ancient past. The Elgin Marbles were not 'stolen', they were taken into safeguarding at the British Museum to stop them being carted away to prop up some local man's barns. Now perhaps the conditions may be right for returning them to a Greek government which finally appreciates its archaeology, however there should be a bill for storage and transportation in return.
Just commenting for le algorithm
Everyone says something stupid sometimes.
Hitch + Voltaire's Ghost? Solid afternoon.
What was it 'have an enema and bury yourself in a matchbox'? Class
Pay everyone who identifies as black 2000 $. Mention that is carries a tax of 2200 $.
You're welcome.
"Let's talk about Christopher Hitchens.."
*Highlight reel with Back in Black plays*
My man Voltaire gets it
Thank god. I thought my phone was breaking or I was going crazy. Had that song looping all day.
A pleasant surprise, for sure
A great video as always. Would you be interested in doing a video tracing Hitchen's political and ideological leanings and evolution? He seems like a complicated man.
Thanks for the great video as always.
Constantly wrong about politics but had some truly enjoyable soundbites.
Legit excited for this one.