"Origins of the Bible" - William Propp
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2015
- William Propp, then Associate Professor of Ancient and Judaic Studies at the University of California, San Diego, delivers a rousing account of the historical origins of the Hebrew Bible. For more information on this Colloquium, visit www.iishj.org/colloquium-97.html.
Came for the lecture. Stayed for the show.
10/10
God, why can't more profs be like this guy? Imagine it? Being able to enjoy your study through laughter.
Two years have past... did God answer your question yet?
@@thj9760No, b'cos I only just read his question.
Propp is brilliant! Why isn't there more from him out there?
What a mind this man has, and what knowledge! His lecture is effortless.
William Propp is a treasure :)
Boy, if I've heard a better lecture by a smarter guy, I sure can't remember it. This was a joy. I'm now a huge fan of Dr. Propp.
Prof Propp is a very amusing lecturer. A fascinating talk, full of interesting details.
Fascinating speaker. One of the very best in terms of content and delivery.
Hard to focus on the content. Too much rocking. Can't he stand still? And too much asides
The guy is terrific!
This guy has humor and knowledge. Beste combination.
This is great information...I have never heard any of this...
This is fascinating. He's really clever, too.
Compelling observations, possibly the protection of fundamentalist fog is clearing around the historical origins of these writings is similar to what’s happening around a newer use if these same writings. Only one more big one to go.
Well, many of his observations about the P and E strands or authors in the first four books of the Pentateuch and the attribution of the fifth to a completely different origin are not new. But yes, the exposition is compelling.
It certainly leaves no room for secret codes or gemsatria, not to mention the idea of supernatural origins or inerrancy.
Good crowd, this guy is naturally funny, if he gets tired of teaching he could do stand up.
Old Man from Scene Twenty Four i like your screen name.
good timing
I am happy for good information for bible is from people!
Good one. Propps!
Highly recommend this talk!
Just found this video. This guy is the Jewish and funnier version of Bart Ehrman. I like it.
Bart Ehrman is a jerk. This guy is funny, Ehrman is not.
16:47
Interesting Discussion of the validity of the LXX
love it
considering Moses was Egyptian and needed his brother to translate for him it is amazing he wrote five books in Aramaic, a miracle lol
I thought the first of those texts were written in proto semetic?
Paleo hebrew
You guys still buying the Moses Exodus story 👌 and the burning Bush
why was it written
Came here hoping to learn, I sure I’ll still be smiling a few days from now... what an awesome lecture
Great speaker. Funny. But this video left me further in the dark as to my real internal question which is about not only the validity of what the Bible contains but also as to whether I should even put any faith in any type of "messiah". For now, I shall continue to commune with the Spirit I find in nature. I want to believe in more...but what more can there be outside of what made everything, which is in everything?
Continue asking questions.
Continue learning.
Do not fear any knowledge.
Continue being curious about everything.
Study philosophy, logic, critical reasoning.
Learn about psychology and neuroscience.
Learn about decision-making.
Learn about cognitive bias.
Enjoy the journey of learning!
How can you be assured you are seeking the truth and not your own (potentially) selfish desires?
Your comment appears well spoken. When mankind puts their confidence in scholars ( some have well intent but lack real FAITH ) the result is their reliance on scholar jargon against their total reliance on Faith in God. God inspired vs. scholar design. There should be no argument regarding who wrote the Torah or any books of the bible. God is divine.
Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
God always used inspired men to speak, write, to interpret and the like.
Psalm 118:8 It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.
The Bible is a collection of stories many taken from Mesopotamia and then changed a bit which was common back then. Flood story. Creation of Adam, Cain and Abel’s sacrificing food to god and many others are from older stories. Writings from proverbs found in Egypt that are older. I could go one but you get the point. Do your research and you’ll find the real truth.
@@soundjudgement3586 it wasn't written by God tho, lol what's your point?
Did this guys say the original Old Testament was actually written in Aramaic?
No
What exactly is surprising to you? Aramaic is the oldest continuously spoken and written language in the Middle East, even older than written Hebrew and Arabic.
Hebrew is a later language. Scripture was written in Yahudyath, which is Phoenician.
No. He said it's written in Hebrew using the Aramaic script.
Damn i want all these versions!
I'd like to see this guy in a conversation with Russell Grimirkin. Grimirkin says the Jews got all their stories from the Alexandrian library (Greek period) and then backdated the book.
That's virtually impossible. There are no references to Greek culture or Greek loan words in the canonical Hebrew Bible. There is a clear development of the Hebrew language over the course of the canonical texts, and clear incongruities between different ideological schools of thought, that would be impossible to fake if all the books were written within a singular cultural context. There are intratextual citations and complex layers of redaction that would only exist if the text was a product of centuries of accretion and editing.
They have a lot of tradition from ancient Egypt and their gods are of canaanite origins (el king of the gods and husband of asherah and yawei was one of his sons)
Russell is 100% correct.
That library is an egytptian library. You know like taking someone's home land and naming it something else like Egypt. He didn't put the library together. Just renamed it
@@abhbible thank you for your logical scholarly answer.
Funny Dude....and no slouch as a scholar
A "lecture of conjecture" no doubt
The place could use some better lighting on the poor guy.
Great talk. Very informative. All ‘Christians’ should watch this. Amazing knowledge . Weird though how this chap uses the name Yahweh? I have never heard a Jewish non-Christian teacher call God almighty Yahweh. Anyone know this fine chaps background?
Not all Jewish people are believers or observant of the laws.
Since this colloquium is hosted by the International Institute for Secular Humanistic Judaism, I don’t suppose the Bible scholarship they are interested in is bound by religious tradition.
Torah created circa 500BC. The rest not canonized until circa 200 AD. Why lie about traditions ?
First Bible is the Hebrew bible of about -525 ... It is "Cana'anized" NOT Canonized!
So its origin is not from God ? It's from men ? Who would have thought
Edgy
I’m not a Jew, actually I almost clicked away when he first said “catholic” with a certain amount of observable disdain.
But he couched some very really interesting knowledge into easily understood and humorous language.
I watched a couple other videos on this page, and came back to this one because it caught my attention so thoroughly.
Awesome presentation.
Idk…
Just wanted to raise my hand and say how appreciated this thoroughly knowledgeable and wonderfully presented speech is.
And that Prof. Shlomo’s presentation earned another Catholic subscriber.
(Said with honest respect. I just enjoy a little interfaith jabbing at each other.)
This guy is funny
the book of Daniel was mentioned in the Talmud before the 2nd century.
He said it was written in the second century BCE
1st Talmud dates 3-4th century
The "Book of the Dead" has the 10 commandments and the story of Horus. Horus has dozens of parallels with Moses and 118 with Jesus. The "Book of the Dead" compiled from positive and negative testaments written thousands years before the Torah. The Bible isn't a record of history. It is plagiarized from several pagan mythologies.
There was no Talmud before 2nd century only Mishmah. Talmud was still an oral tradition at this point.
There was no Talmud in the 2nd century BC
Well done. Sad that there has to be so much speculation which leads to great misinterpretations of religious history. Which leads to dragging out, endlessly, the influence of religion in the modern world. Better we all simply get over religion and move on to a scientific understanding of our place in the Universe. Enough, already!
We know soemthings more now about how this myth, fairy tale come to being
of course not the god who wrote the bible. human who wrote it. lot's of contradiction so how come a god write it?
Wallahi can you guys just let us enjoy our lecture without preaching to us please? being overly preachy about atheism is still being overly preachy all the same! you’re being no different so some random jehovah’s witness rn.
I don't get have the jokes lol
@@faithfultheology that's because you're taking what he's saying from a religious point of view.
These are agnostic, humanist/ secular Jews. They are laughing because, like atheists, they understand the absurdities written in the bible and find it humorous what some people believe.
Diodorus Erasmus wrote the Bible for the latin west ...
The striving for a Empire's Orthodoxy destroyed most of the different opinions on the Scrolls of the Egyptian priest now labeled as early Christians the monophisites against the Arians the diophysites against the monophysites the miaphysites against the chalcedonians. The apollinarians minichins Almost every emperor had problems with the establishment of an orthodoxies that didn't fit with their policies....
There all written by man! All holy books are! God didn't write anything. Period!
This Jewish blasphemer is HILARIOUS! :)
The laughter is so distracting. They laugh at almost anything.