My favourite background pattern is sponging off with a piece of crumpled newspaper. It gives a very aggressive, variegated pattern, which is even more pronounced if you sponge on with the newspaper instead.
Good one. You can also make a flower pattern by stamping with scrunched up paper and rotating as you lift it off. Some look more like a flower than others:)
My goodness... I remember making pictures like this when I was very small at school. I haven’t remembered that for 60 years...but I’m sure I still can do it. And guess what prompted the memory...your mention of straining the paste to get rid of lumps, and I remembered having lumpy paste at school. Thanks for the memory!
An idea occurred watching you work. Paste glue various knitting yarns (threads, string, lines, etc.) of various weights in random patterns onto a backer board(s) and apply these stencils to pattern the paste-paint on the paper. (Spirals, stars, squares, random, etc.)
Where where you a few years ago when I started playing with bookbinding using videos on RUclips? Your videos are great! Time to pull out the bookbinding tools again. I bet you could do some fun paste papers with a gelli plate too.
Howdy, I find myself looking forward to watching one of your videos per day right before bed. Yep. I find them relaxing. They've all been and I'm sure will continue to be informative, pretty and thoroughly enjoyable. I loved this one. You've given me an appreciation for paste paper in all of its glory. Thank you so very much for sharing.
The way these papers look would make them perfect for a university level maths/physics book I think You could even make little graphs on them showing important concepts that you'll find, things like the definition of the derivative, vector spaces, a graph of a black hole deforming spacetime, things like those Really opens up a lot of cool designs if you're creative enough, know enough about the material, and have enough patience to do them
Your papers are quite lovely. I thoroughly enjoyed learning about your technique. I am new to bookmaking (making gifts for the grandchildren). Someday I might attempt such a project as this.
Thank you. Jump in. You don;t need to start big. Just put some a4/letter sheets in the sink. Just try one colour - well mix of 2, say olive green and some paynes grey. Have fun! DAS
@@shirleydick996 You just made me realise that the “finger paint” they had us play with, naked, in a little bathtub at kindergarten must have been something like this, perhaps not with acrylic but gouache/watercolour pucks, and probably potato starch paste. 😂 They’d hose us off afterwards before actually getting into the shower and it was easy to get it to disappear I remember now. I have not thought about that for more than four decades. Funny how it can just come back like that. 😊
Perfect place to work. Sometimes outside I can’t think straight, too much distraction. I have a little list of designs and patterns I want to try each session, so this helps.
I keep samples of papers that I've made in the past that I'm happy with. I use these to plan roughly what I'll make in a session. I always plan to make some variations in the hope I'll produce something new that I like even more.
Thank you for this tutorial! I had a hard time with acrylic, where it was more dense it built up a thick/ bulky texture and this warped some of my designs as they dried, so I ended up trying gouache, it's essentially highly pigmented watercolor, and it worked super well!
It's amazing! This is so inspirational and useful, I'll try it someday. I really enjoy your informative videos, thanks for making and sharing them, it give a good entry for anyone who's just found interest in book binding like me. Sincerely thank you!
Oh my gosh, that sound of traffic in the background, especially the motorcycles😳 feel so sorry for you Got a bit distracted from it...🙈 Thank you so much for your videos, they are professionally made and you explain every step very well🙏🏻
Just lovely! I am new to your channel and enjoyed this one very much. It showed up in my "recommended" list perhaps because I uploaded a couple paste paper videos yesterday. At least, I think that's how it works. In any case, I'm glad it did!
That was fascinating! I was really impressed with the blue spaghetti, but they were all beautiful. I can understand why you got into making these yourself, well done!
Made my first batch of sixteen paste papers yesterday. It's harder than it looks! Out of the sixteen I made, half stuck to the others during pressing and ruined their surfaces. All of them came out quite wrinkled, but I may be able to smooth them out by spritzing the back sides lightly with water to relax the fibers and then pressing them again. Two bricks and a heavy board game was evidently not enough weight. Next time I'll add more, and maybe use clamps to hold the boards together at the edges as well. I picked up a couple tubes of Pthalocyanine Blue and Green for the project. I'm familiar with those from other hobbies -- they offer fairly intense, saturated colors, so I thought they would be good here. Unfortunately these pigments are also quite translucent, which made it hard to get good coverage.
Thanks for dropping by Simon. Yes, I always grab images of beautiful paste papers that show up on the group. Now if people would also provide a description of the structure of the endpaper it would be really useful to people studying historical bookbinding methods. All the best, Darryn
Woooww esos papeles te han quedado realmente hermosos!!! Eres un gran maestro. Te cuento que estoy fascinada con todo lo que haces. Gracias. Muchas gracias y abracitos de colores desde Colombia!!! 🤗🤗🤗🇨🇴
Very interested video ! I would like to recommend you to make a future video with how could we make a our book cloth from fabric and lining with tissue paper.
I noticed in using some of my recent papers that they are very vulnerable to moisture. In some cases I could probably swab off most of the design with a wet cloth. I was primarily using methyl-cellulose and acrylic with these. I didn't soak the paper as heavily as you do. The paper itself was decent but a little slicker and more commercial-looking. I could try the beeswax burnishing and thank you for that tip, but I feel like I need to address how I'm working so the design isn't lifting away so easily.
Sorry to hear you are having this problem. Not sure why it happening. MC and acrylic are basic and should be robust. I think most people just wipe down the paper rather than soak like me. I'd be looking at the paper. The original paste papers from pre 20th century which just used flour paste and pigment weren't very water fast either.
I usually use wallpaper lining paper for my paste papers. I've recently moved away from this however as I realised there was a good chance that the paper was acidic. A shame, it's a cheap and sturdy paper.
This video is 4 years old, so I am late to the party. I work with embossing thin sheets of metal. Maybe for the fish scale design you could add a second paper to the back to act like a cushion. It would impress the image easier, (maybe). If so then you may be able to press with a rounded chopstick.
Recently saw a video about doing pulled papers with different initial colours on each sheet for a bit of a mottled look. This makes me wonder if you could do that after combing different patterns into the two sides to get a semi-structured transfer. I don't even know what to search for to find someone who may have tried this.
Hi sir, thank you for the lovely video, your final papers are very pretty! I wanted to ask, should I make my pastepaper-paste 1 part wheat starch to 9 parts of water? Thank you 😊
This is cool thx for making this.☻☺♥♥ You said that the paste recipe is same your normal paste but the ratio is 9 to 1. 9 part of what to 1 part of what? You also mentioned it's 100 gsm paper. What material is the paper? What are these paste paper for? ♥♥ thx again!
Same as paste, wheat starch in my case. But other starches are fine too. The paper is old stock from a paper mill that closed down many years ago. Don't even have a name for it. Because every country has different papers you just need to try some to find one you like. You can use these anywhere decorative paper is used, board papers, endpapers. I use the ones I'm not happy with for wrapping paper:) All the best, Darryn
Thanks! Yes, the colour sheet of endpapers, which includes the pastedown, and external board papers too. I use them a lot in my videos, because I like them, and to keep the cost down. The coptic sewn journal uses a paste paper for the boards. I liked the blue pulled paper I used on the book with the transfer marbled edge. The 19th century library binding uses a pulled paper for the made endpapers. DAS
It's Silver Star laundry starch. It used to be super common. I have called the manufacturer and it is only stocked by a few IGAs in QLD. The last one I got it from was somewhere up north - Northlakes maybe? I have about 10 packs left and sell it for $8 a packet. I'm on the west side, Kenmore Hills, and orders can be picked up at the bindery if you are interested.
@@DASBookbinding Thanks, mate! I see it's stocked by "Drakes" which is an IGA associated store (?) There's one just up the road from me (I'm around in Calamvale.) I'll go have a look tomorrow and see if they stock it. Thanks again, I'll let you know how I go.
@@MichaelWVagg I checked the Drakes in Ipswich ( ages ago) and they didn’t have. I asked the manufacturer and they said Drakes in SA only. But let us know if you find it. I don’t use it much any more. I guess mostly for pastepaper.
@@DASBookbinding okay thanks, Darryn (not Darren, sorry!) Amazing resource you've built here. I've only just started reading through your website and noticed your past work with the Queensland Bookbinders Guild - have you any workshops planned with them this year?
Thanks you. I learned so much. I didn't understand what was happening when you painted the 2 sheets that were side by side, but then you put 1 on top of the other. Why? It just looked like you smushed them together, but I couldn't see any patterning, or any difference between the 2.
I would like to know what is the 9:1 mixture made up of and what is the weight of the paper used? Thank you for the videos and all the insights you give.
Dear Daryl, I enjoy watching this video. I am starting to make paste papers and would like to read about the Moravian Kleisterpapiere from Herrnhut. Would you recommend any reference books about them? I am very curious about the patterns they used. I checked your video on Bookbinding books but there did not seem to be anything specific to paste papers. Hope you are doing well -thanks in advance for considering a reply. Happy New Year!
That would be great to have. No I haven't found a study of Herrnhut papers. What I like to do is browse the digital images from the Olga Hirsch collection at the BL and try and copy patterns. They didn't sign papers and I'm sure they were copied. So very difficult to identify original source of designs. I figure most of the finger swirls, combed, and even rolled patterns originated with the Moravians. But I'm no expert and I'm not sure there is any. They are always talked about in books on decorative paper, but in a general and non authoritative way.
Yes, I'm very familiar with Japanese binding methods. I'm a big fan of Ikegami's book and especially like the traditional "four-hole binding". I'm not a fan of in-the-style-of Japanese bindings. I have experimented a lot with these but they are too far outside my tradition. One day I might have the time to learn more and access traditional tools and materials. I don't have a single favourite binding. My favourite standard binding is the rounded and backed cased book. I love teaching this course in person. I really like split board attached "library style" bindings. I love springback bindings but they are so hard to make really well and are not suited to most purposes. Of early bindings I love the later northern European Gothic bindings, but am yet to master these. But also like the simplicity of the early Carolingian bindings. I like all sort of limp cover bindings, especially Yapp edged bibles.
There's still so much I don't know at the end of this video. I made paste papers today for the first time. The texture was 1/8th inch high. Seems that will get damaged from use. I wish you had some close ups of what you did. You never said WHY you wet your paper, if you did I missed it. SO I tried a few dry and a few sprayed down a little. I'm thinking the dry ones curl more. They dry faster that is for sure. I tried thin paper, that was interesting. I did them dry yet they remain much wetter than the thicker, as in 65 pound paper. I think the thin paper is somewhere around 25 pound. Rewatching this just now I saw where you said to press them while they have some moisture, so I just did that. I had to guess on how much moisture. I guess if they are too wet I will find out when I take them apart. It's all interesting. I've watched tons of videos from many many people, but I keep coming back here. I guess that says something. ;-)
If the paper isn't wet it will quickly absorb the moisture from the paste mix and dry out too quickly. If doing a pulled pattern the pieces of paper would probably stick together. A lot of people just spray the paper of sponge it, like you did. But I obviously prefer the in water method.
@@DASBookbinding The extreme thickness that I originally was worried about went away. Very interesting. The thin papers curled excessively. The heavier reacted much better. The flattest paper was the one I wet the most. Tomorrow I will try it again. I think as I keep trying I will learn the tricks. Thank you for your response. I will try your water method tomorrow.
Really enjoyed this one and I can't wait to have a go at this 💯. Is it ordinary wallpaper paste? And what is 9:1 strength? I'll check the other videos but if anyone cares to tell me I'd be really grateful. Thanks.
Starch paste. 9 parts water to one part wheat starch by volume, and cook it. I have some videos on making starch pastes. You could use wheat flour, but not sure what ratio would be best. Maybe start with the same?
@@DASBookbindingWould the commercially available wallpaper methylcellulose, advertised for use with paper wallpapers and to make papier-maché, be fine for this application? And for general bookbinding? Is MC less sensitive to moisture after drying (I’m guesing they want the wallpapers to stay on the walls better😁) , or is there no real difference, making cheaper paste from household flours/starches is just as good - and more true to the Moravian prototypes? 😃
The paper I'm using was made in a mill in NSW that does not exist any more. Any medium text weight well sized strong paper works. When I run out of this paper I'm thinking of changing to Gmund 100% cotton. I've done some tests and it works really well, but expensive. Permalife works well. Cotton content gives strength and smooth surface rather than toothy. DAS
Maybe a bit of a stupid question but, is the paste made from powdered starch which we can purchase, or do you make your own ei: potato paste made with potato purée (usually to make papier-mâché)? Thanks & great videos!
@@DASBookbinding I have been in contact with the lovely Madeleine Durham, (who you have links to) and she generously offered info on her recipe for the beautiful paste paper work she creates. She works with shofu paste for paste paper , I am wondering if you have tried it? Also I am wondering if you have ever used a acrylic paint medium or methyl cellulose in your mixes? I found this artist on youtube using a mix of methyl cellulose and matt medium here ruclips.net/video/RUYcCL5hKlI/видео.html. Cheers
I have a lot of wooden patterned rolling pins ~ would like to be able to use them on these papers ~ is there anything extra I have to do in the process to achieve this?
"average" weight paper. You want to be able to use it for things like endpapers or covering paper. If it is too thick it is not that useful. Thinner is better. But the main thing is to find paper that has strong wet strength.
hello~ really enjoying your videos, they've taught me so much since i started watching. i'm struggling to apply beeswax to my paper this way, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. could you provide a more detailed explanation of how to apply beeswax to paper for making covers?
I spent a day making paste papers this last week. I had a new toy to make a different design. I filmed a bit of it and was thinking of making a short video. I'll try and find time this week to do it and add a bit more detail about how I wax these papers. All the best, DAS
This short video was supposed to go live last night, but I stuff up. Will go live tonight, but you can see it now if you'd like a preview. Hope it answers your questions! All the best, Darryn ruclips.net/video/QwmjegnnScs/видео.html
Hi Darryn, your videos are real help for bookbinding novices like me. Thank you a lot. In this video, I'm a bit puzzled about the ratio of your paste mixture. Could you clarify what 9 to 1 was... I used freshly cooked starch paste for my first try, but it felt really thick... Pls help! I want to go right next time 🙂
me either！I want to know what 'Adhesive paste' 9 : 1 ratio is what materials for? Are they (wheat flour paste) to (EVA / PVA) equal to 9 : 1? Or, ( cold water ) : ( wheat flour ) = 9 : 1?
Bookbinding paste is traditionally starch based. So 9 parts water to 1 part starch. It might be in the description - don't remember. I have a video on making starch paste.
11:13 So the paste you used in this video was made with ordinary strong wheat flour? I suppose that in Moravia in the olden days, that’s the finest they had, or when did europeans start making potato starch? And it would be wheat too, not barley or even oat, to get as much protein content as possible? Or is that aspect only important when using paste for leather work? 🤔😊
I don't think anyones done DNA analysis or anything, but I think it is safe to assume it is wheat flour. But people way back when weren't as fussy as we are today and might use what was available when they need it and that might have been barley flour of that was common where they were.
Thanks for making this video- very nice & I'm sure I'll try doing some at some point. But... and I'm not sure if someone else has asked this, but I just didn't see it... your title says "-what is paste paper- and how to make it." You covered the how to make it part very thoroughly, but you never actually told us what paste paper is. I mean, I'm pretty sure I know, it's the decorative paper used on the inside of the cover to connect the text block to the covers. But... why did they use paste instead of just paint? And wouldn't the paste make it a little sticky after it dries? It reminds me of the gelatinous fingerpaints we used in elementary school (50 years ago now), maybe it was to make the paint more gelantinous and "fingerpainty"? Thanks, BG, absolute and complete beginner
I'll have to explain this detail better in a future video. Paste paper is just a traditional style of decorative paper. It was much more common before decorative papers started to be printed. It was used for everything - lining the inside of furniture, covering boxes, wrapping paper, and of course covering books and as decorative endpapers. Traditionally it was just wheat flour paste and cheap powdered pigment. Acrylic paints didn't exist hundreds of years ago and the paints that did exist would have been far too expensive. Using acrylic paint gives us access to lots more colour options. But we really just want the pigments from the paint. Though the modern acrylic medium does give the finished paper a bit of water resistance. Using straight acrylic paint would be very expensive. Hope this makes sense. DAS
I use acrylic paint for colour and starch paste for the medium. For paper I would recommend a heavy weight strong paper such as Hahnemuhle 150gsm. All the best, DAS
I wish I knew! It's old stock, about 110gsm. I think it was made in the old Shoalhaven mill in NSW which closed many years ago. Permalife works okay too. Any of the high cotton content papers about 110gsm which are fairly hard work well. All the best, DAS
Thank you so much for your reply . 110gsm seems like a good paper for printing. I do have A3 quality cartridge might give it a go. I inherited a studio of a deceased book binder only wished I met her earlier . Tools that I am not familiar with being new to book binding . Beautiful hand crafted wood clamps and lots of leathers . Any advise on care of leather , tools or how to use it ?
I recently started using marbled paper in my bookbinding. The ones I bought all seem to be matte compared to the more glossy marbled paper you see in antique books. I tried using this same technique with beeswax you used on this video but only to limited success. Are there other methods of sealing paper that you know of? or is it possible that I need to heat the wax a little more so that it's easier to transfer?
The wax will only take you so far. To get a shiny surface one method is to burnish with something like an agate burnisher. Some of those early papers also had a coating on them. But some of them are actually lithographs and not hand marbled, and some are so good it can be hard to tell them apart. I think burnishing is your solution. Modern marbles don't want to have to burnish because it takes ages and would make the paper really expensive. All the best, Darryn
Bookbinders usually use it for decorative endpapers or board papers (the covers). Here is a book I used paste paper for the covers. ruclips.net/video/sxkarOsNhsM/видео.html But you can use it for anything requiring decorative paper - box making etc. I use the sheets I'm not happy with for wrapping presents:) DAS
Any strong white paper works. Permalife works well. The paper I use in the video is no longer made. It's about 110gsm white wove machine made paper which is fairly well sized. DAS
It was made in a mill in NSW that does not exist any more. Any medium text weight well sized strong paper works. When I run out of this paper I'm thinking of changing to Gmund 100% cotton. I've done some tests and it works really well, but expensive. Permalife works well. I do need to find a new paper as I'm running out of this stock. DAS
@@subhankardutta8141 I wonder if you could find a laundry starch without additives to make clothes more white. That is what I use in Australia. But the most famous paste papers come from pre 19th century Europe and refined starch didn't exist then and they used wheat flour. And some of these papers still look like new. So yes, you can use wheat flour. 9:1 might be a bit thick. You might need to add a bit more water. Good luck! DAS
Hi, thanks for the videos, really interesting and help to novices like me. I have a question about your paste paper demo. Is it wheat starch paste? What tyle/weight of paper are you using? Rsgards Fab
the hint about the beeswax polish at the end is gold! thanks for that!
All your videos are just the best kind of ASMR. So relaxing and informative
okay, now I'm inspired... a project for next summer.
My favourite background pattern is sponging off with a piece of crumpled newspaper. It gives a very aggressive, variegated pattern, which is even more pronounced if you sponge on with the newspaper instead.
Good one. You can also make a flower pattern by stamping with scrunched up paper and rotating as you lift it off. Some look more like a flower than others:)
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My goodness... I remember making pictures like this when I was very small at school. I haven’t remembered that for 60 years...but I’m sure I still can do it. And guess what prompted the memory...your mention of straining the paste to get rid of lumps, and I remembered having lumpy paste at school. Thanks for the memory!
An idea occurred watching you work. Paste glue various knitting yarns (threads, string, lines, etc.) of various weights in random patterns onto a backer board(s) and apply these stencils to pattern the paste-paint on the paper. (Spirals, stars, squares, random, etc.)
Yep, all great ideas. There are some amazing pastepaper makers who use all sorts of things.
Where where you a few years ago when I started playing with bookbinding using videos on RUclips? Your videos are great! Time to pull out the bookbinding tools again.
I bet you could do some fun paste papers with a gelli plate too.
Howdy, I find myself looking forward to watching one of your videos per day right before bed. Yep. I find them relaxing. They've all been and I'm sure will continue to be informative, pretty and thoroughly enjoyable. I loved this one. You've given me an appreciation for paste paper in all of its glory. Thank you so very much for sharing.
This was one of my favourites too! All the best, Darryn
I really like this video, because we can recognise the papers you make here from the videos where you use them in your video projects. 😊👍🏻
Yes, I really need to make some more!
The way these papers look would make them perfect for a university level maths/physics book I think
You could even make little graphs on them showing important concepts that you'll find, things like the definition of the derivative, vector spaces, a graph of a black hole deforming spacetime, things like those
Really opens up a lot of cool designs if you're creative enough, know enough about the material, and have enough patience to do them
It is the second time for me to watch it. Still learn a lot from the deomonstration! Thank you!
This is really taking book binding to another level maybe someday I'll get there
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Well this seems a lot easier to create as a Bookbinding student than marbled paper, I'm excited to try this out
Your papers are quite lovely. I thoroughly enjoyed learning about your technique. I am new to bookmaking (making gifts for the grandchildren). Someday I might attempt such a project as this.
Thank you. Jump in. You don;t need to start big. Just put some a4/letter sheets in the sink. Just try one colour - well mix of 2, say olive green and some paynes grey. Have fun! DAS
Involve the grand-children too! This is finger-painting for grown-ups ;-)
@@shirleydick996 You just made me realise that the “finger paint” they had us play with, naked, in a little bathtub at kindergarten must have been something like this, perhaps not with acrylic but gouache/watercolour pucks, and probably potato starch paste. 😂 They’d hose us off afterwards before actually getting into the shower and it was easy to get it to disappear I remember now. I have not thought about that for more than four decades. Funny how it can just come back like that. 😊
Thanks for this video. I’m excited to share it with my customers.
And thanks for the Vivaldi lute concerto backing track...my favourite!
Perfect place to work. Sometimes outside I can’t think straight, too much distraction. I have a little list of designs and patterns I want to try each session, so this helps.
I keep samples of papers that I've made in the past that I'm happy with. I use these to plan roughly what I'll make in a session. I always plan to make some variations in the hope I'll produce something new that I like even more.
Thank you for this tutorial! I had a hard time with acrylic, where it was more dense it built up a thick/ bulky texture and this warped some of my designs as they dried, so I ended up trying gouache, it's essentially highly pigmented watercolor, and it worked super well!
It's amazing! This is so inspirational and useful, I'll try it someday. I really enjoy your informative videos, thanks for making and sharing them, it give a good entry for anyone who's just found interest in book binding like me. Sincerely thank you!
Really nice. The blues have a 3D look to them.
Oh my gosh, that sound of traffic in the background, especially the motorcycles😳 feel so sorry for you
Got a bit distracted from it...🙈
Thank you so much for your videos, they are professionally made and you explain every step very well🙏🏻
They are beautiful. Really enjoyed watching this. Thanks
The speed of making this ~ WOW 😎👍🏾
Your right, the Ochre colour and style is nice when done. It actually has a very indigenous look. Thanks for the interesting tutorial
Just lovely! I am new to your channel and enjoyed this one very much. It showed up in my "recommended" list perhaps because I uploaded a couple paste paper videos yesterday. At least, I think that's how it works. In any case, I'm glad it did!
I really liked your paste papers!
@@DASBookbinding You are very kind, thank you!
That was fascinating! I was really impressed with the blue spaghetti, but they were all beautiful. I can understand why you got into making these yourself, well done!
So simple yet mind blowing in beauty
Congrats on the 2k subs!
Thanks!! It's a very satisfying milestone. DAS
Really enjoyed this video! I wasn't familiar with paste paper, but do like the effect.
Your papers look fantastic !!! Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year 🙂
😎 ~ YOUR A MASTER ~ THANK YOU FOR A NEW IDEA I’VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE OR EVEN HEARD OF!!👍🏾
Made my first batch of sixteen paste papers yesterday. It's harder than it looks! Out of the sixteen I made, half stuck to the others during pressing and ruined their surfaces. All of them came out quite wrinkled, but I may be able to smooth them out by spritzing the back sides lightly with water to relax the fibers and then pressing them again. Two bricks and a heavy board game was evidently not enough weight. Next time I'll add more, and maybe use clamps to hold the boards together at the edges as well.
I picked up a couple tubes of Pthalocyanine Blue and Green for the project. I'm familiar with those from other hobbies -- they offer fairly intense, saturated colors, so I thought they would be good here. Unfortunately these pigments are also quite translucent, which made it hard to get good coverage.
So pleased We Love Endpapers is proving an inspiration!
Thanks for dropping by Simon. Yes, I always grab images of beautiful paste papers that show up on the group. Now if people would also provide a description of the structure of the endpaper it would be really useful to people studying historical bookbinding methods. All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding If you like paste paper, you may also like this group: facebook.com/groups/3406274069396669
@@simonbeattie6121 Thanks! DAS
Woooww esos papeles te han quedado realmente hermosos!!! Eres un gran maestro. Te cuento que estoy fascinada con todo lo que haces. Gracias. Muchas gracias y abracitos de colores desde Colombia!!! 🤗🤗🤗🇨🇴
Disculpa una inquietud que tengo, es que no entendí cómo es que haces la pasta para agregar las pinturas. Gracias
Wonderful to hear from Colombia! Really glad you enjoy the videos. All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding 😍
Beautiful. And very inspiring.
It's a very detailed video. Thanks!
That was fantastic to watch. Thank you.
U need one of those decorative pastry rollers...or make your own using a pool noodle.
Your deck is awesome!
Very interested video ! I would like to recommend you to make a future video with how could we make a our book cloth from fabric and lining with tissue paper.
Coming soon! DAS
Amazing! So Creative!
So interesting❣️ I need to do some research 😃
Really beautiful work
I noticed in using some of my recent papers that they are very vulnerable to moisture. In some cases I could probably swab off most of the design with a wet cloth. I was primarily using methyl-cellulose and acrylic with these. I didn't soak the paper as heavily as you do. The paper itself was decent but a little slicker and more commercial-looking. I could try the beeswax burnishing and thank you for that tip, but I feel like I need to address how I'm working so the design isn't lifting away so easily.
Sorry to hear you are having this problem. Not sure why it happening. MC and acrylic are basic and should be robust. I think most people just wipe down the paper rather than soak like me. I'd be looking at the paper. The original paste papers from pre 20th century which just used flour paste and pigment weren't very water fast either.
I usually use wallpaper lining paper for my paste papers. I've recently moved away from this however as I realised there was a good chance that the paper was acidic. A shame, it's a cheap and sturdy paper.
You can easily test the pH of the paper with an Abbey or Lineco pH test pen. Permalife is a good cheaper paper. DAS
Fantastic, ,very inspiring!
This was really inspiring. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! DAS
How lovely!
I will NO LONGER BE BUYING READY MADE ENDPAPERS OR MAKING A HASH AT TRING TO DO MARBLED PAPERS AGAIN 🤣
Maybe you mentioned it and I missed but can you feel the texture of the pulled papers after it's dry and pressed?
No texture from the paint. The pressing just flattens the paper.
Lovely
Never knew that the papers can be made at home. Keep it up. Thanks.
This video is 4 years old, so I am late to the party. I work with embossing thin sheets of metal. Maybe for the fish scale design you could add a second paper to the back to act like a cushion. It would impress the image easier, (maybe). If so then you may be able to press with a rounded chopstick.
Just revisiting this as there was something I had forgotten and you don't explain. How do you get outside drying weather?
Summers in Brisbane. Usually too much of it. DAS
Recently saw a video about doing pulled papers with different initial colours on each sheet for a bit of a mottled look. This makes me wonder if you could do that after combing different patterns into the two sides to get a semi-structured transfer. I don't even know what to search for to find someone who may have tried this.
Is the paste you use in this video the same as the starch paste in your other tutorial?
I use a 9:1 mix instead of 5:1. DAS
Hi sir, thank you for the lovely video, your final papers are very pretty! I wanted to ask, should I make my pastepaper-paste 1 part wheat starch to 9 parts of water? Thank you 😊
That''s the mix I use.
This is cool thx for making this.☻☺♥♥ You said that the paste recipe is same your normal paste but the ratio is 9 to 1. 9 part of what to 1 part of what? You also mentioned it's 100 gsm paper. What material is the paper? What are these paste paper for? ♥♥ thx again!
Same as paste, wheat starch in my case. But other starches are fine too. The paper is old stock from a paper mill that closed down many years ago. Don't even have a name for it. Because every country has different papers you just need to try some to find one you like.
You can use these anywhere decorative paper is used, board papers, endpapers. I use the ones I'm not happy with for wrapping paper:) All the best, Darryn
@@DASBookbinding1 part dry starch 9 part water?
0:40 Would adding alum to the water, like you do when marbling, make any difference in making paste-paper?
No alum wash needed. The paste paper doesn't get rinsed like marbled paper.
Very nice . You use them for past downs and such?
Thanks! Yes, the colour sheet of endpapers, which includes the pastedown, and external board papers too. I use them a lot in my videos, because I like them, and to keep the cost down. The coptic sewn journal uses a paste paper for the boards. I liked the blue pulled paper I used on the book with the transfer marbled edge. The 19th century library binding uses a pulled paper for the made endpapers. DAS
Hi Darren, I also live in Bris, would you mind revealing the type of paste you use and where you get it from? You mentioned a starchy laundry product?
It's Silver Star laundry starch. It used to be super common. I have called the manufacturer and it is only stocked by a few IGAs in QLD. The last one I got it from was somewhere up north - Northlakes maybe? I have about 10 packs left and sell it for $8 a packet. I'm on the west side, Kenmore Hills, and orders can be picked up at the bindery if you are interested.
@@DASBookbinding Thanks, mate! I see it's stocked by "Drakes" which is an IGA associated store (?) There's one just up the road from me (I'm around in Calamvale.) I'll go have a look tomorrow and see if they stock it. Thanks again, I'll let you know how I go.
@@MichaelWVagg I checked the Drakes in Ipswich ( ages ago) and they didn’t have. I asked the manufacturer and they said Drakes in SA only. But let us know if you find it. I don’t use it much any more. I guess mostly for pastepaper.
@@DASBookbinding okay thanks, Darryn (not Darren, sorry!) Amazing resource you've built here. I've only just started reading through your website and noticed your past work with the Queensland Bookbinders Guild - have you any workshops planned with them this year?
Thanks you. I learned so much. I didn't understand what was happening when you painted the 2 sheets that were side by side, but then you put 1 on top of the other. Why? It just looked like you smushed them together, but I couldn't see any patterning, or any difference between the 2.
Arm rest would help when using the combs
I would like to know what is the 9:1 mixture made up of and what is the weight of the paper used? Thank you for the videos and all the insights you give.
It’s starch paste so 1 part starch to 9 parts water by volume. Cooked. That paper was about 110gsm.
Dear Daryl, I enjoy watching this video. I am starting to make paste papers and would like to read about the Moravian Kleisterpapiere from Herrnhut. Would you recommend any reference books about them? I am very curious about the patterns they used. I checked your video on Bookbinding books but there did not seem to be anything specific to paste papers. Hope you are doing well -thanks in advance for considering a reply. Happy New Year!
That would be great to have. No I haven't found a study of Herrnhut papers. What I like to do is browse the digital images from the Olga Hirsch collection at the BL and try and copy patterns. They didn't sign papers and I'm sure they were copied. So very difficult to identify original source of designs. I figure most of the finger swirls, combed, and even rolled patterns originated with the Moravians. But I'm no expert and I'm not sure there is any. They are always talked about in books on decorative paper, but in a general and non authoritative way.
very nice! But I still don't know what you do with it once it's made... I will need to look that up!
You'll see them used in many of my projects for board covering material and endpapers. Anywhere you might use marbled paper.
Of all your binding methods which is your personal favourite? And have you tried Japanese binding?
Yes, I'm very familiar with Japanese binding methods. I'm a big fan of Ikegami's book and especially like the traditional "four-hole binding". I'm not a fan of in-the-style-of Japanese bindings. I have experimented a lot with these but they are too far outside my tradition. One day I might have the time to learn more and access traditional tools and materials.
I don't have a single favourite binding. My favourite standard binding is the rounded and backed cased book. I love teaching this course in person. I really like split board attached "library style" bindings. I love springback bindings but they are so hard to make really well and are not suited to most purposes. Of early bindings I love the later northern European Gothic bindings, but am yet to master these. But also like the simplicity of the early Carolingian bindings. I like all sort of limp cover bindings, especially Yapp edged bibles.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you for your informative response! I am new to this subject and am enjoying your tutorials immensely!
thanks!!!
Amazing I thought marble paper is a only method to make regular pattern by hand
There's still so much I don't know at the end of this video. I made paste papers today for the first time. The texture was 1/8th inch high. Seems that will get damaged from use. I wish you had some close ups of what you did. You never said WHY you wet your paper, if you did I missed it. SO I tried a few dry and a few sprayed down a little. I'm thinking the dry ones curl more. They dry faster that is for sure.
I tried thin paper, that was interesting. I did them dry yet they remain much wetter than the thicker, as in 65 pound paper. I think the thin paper is somewhere around 25 pound.
Rewatching this just now I saw where you said to press them while they have some moisture, so I just did that. I had to guess on how much moisture. I guess if they are too wet I will find out when I take them apart.
It's all interesting. I've watched tons of videos from many many people, but I keep coming back here. I guess that says something. ;-)
If the paper isn't wet it will quickly absorb the moisture from the paste mix and dry out too quickly. If doing a pulled pattern the pieces of paper would probably stick together. A lot of people just spray the paper of sponge it, like you did. But I obviously prefer the in water method.
@@DASBookbinding The extreme thickness that I originally was worried about went away. Very interesting. The thin papers curled excessively. The heavier reacted much better. The flattest paper was the one I wet the most. Tomorrow I will try it again. I think as I keep trying I will learn the tricks.
Thank you for your response. I will try your water method tomorrow.
Really enjoyed this one and I can't wait to have a go at this 💯. Is it ordinary wallpaper paste? And what is 9:1 strength? I'll check the other videos but if anyone cares to tell me I'd be really grateful. Thanks.
Starch paste. 9 parts water to one part wheat starch by volume, and cook it. I have some videos on making starch pastes. You could use wheat flour, but not sure what ratio would be best. Maybe start with the same?
@@DASBookbindingWould the commercially available wallpaper methylcellulose, advertised for use with paper wallpapers and to make papier-maché, be fine for this application? And for general bookbinding? Is MC less sensitive to moisture after drying (I’m guesing they want the wallpapers to stay on the walls better😁) , or is there no real difference, making cheaper paste from household flours/starches is just as good - and more true to the Moravian prototypes? 😃
What kind of paper do you suggest for making decorated paste paper?
The paper I'm using was made in a mill in NSW that does not exist any more. Any medium text weight well sized strong paper works. When I run out of this paper I'm thinking of changing to Gmund 100% cotton. I've done some tests and it works really well, but expensive. Permalife works well. Cotton content gives strength and smooth surface rather than toothy. DAS
Maybe a bit of a stupid question but, is the paste made from powdered starch which we can purchase, or do you make your own ei: potato paste made with potato purée (usually to make papier-mâché)? Thanks & great videos!
Hi Darryn just wondering if you decided upon/ found a new paper to use for your past papers ? ( yes 3 years down the track I know)
Nope. Still experimenting. Thought I haven't made paste paper in almost 2 years. Any day I'll have the time to get back to it.
@@DASBookbinding I have been in contact with the lovely Madeleine Durham, (who you have links to) and she generously offered info on her recipe for the beautiful paste paper work she creates. She works with shofu paste for paste paper , I am wondering if you have tried it? Also I am wondering if you have ever used a acrylic paint medium or methyl cellulose in your mixes? I found this artist on youtube using a mix of methyl cellulose and matt medium here ruclips.net/video/RUYcCL5hKlI/видео.html. Cheers
I have a lot of wooden patterned rolling pins ~ would like to be able to use them on these papers ~ is there anything extra I have to do in the process to achieve this?
Have fun and play.
Hi Das! Can I ask what kind of paper you used to begin with?
You can just use copier paper to start with. It's not very strong, so you will get some rips.
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What thickness of paper should be used for paste paper?
"average" weight paper. You want to be able to use it for things like endpapers or covering paper. If it is too thick it is not that useful. Thinner is better. But the main thing is to find paper that has strong wet strength.
hello~ really enjoying your videos, they've taught me so much since i started watching. i'm struggling to apply beeswax to my paper this way, and i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. could you provide a more detailed explanation of how to apply beeswax to paper for making covers?
I spent a day making paste papers this last week. I had a new toy to make a different design. I filmed a bit of it and was thinking of making a short video. I'll try and find time this week to do it and add a bit more detail about how I wax these papers. All the best, DAS
@@DASBookbinding thank you for your response, i look forward to another video about paste papers!
This short video was supposed to go live last night, but I stuff up. Will go live tonight, but you can see it now if you'd like a preview. Hope it answers your questions! All the best, Darryn
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Hi Darryn, your videos are real help for bookbinding novices like me. Thank you a lot.
In this video, I'm a bit puzzled about the ratio of your paste mixture. Could you clarify what 9 to 1 was... I used freshly cooked starch paste for my first try, but it felt really thick... Pls help! I want to go right next time 🙂
me either！I want to know what 'Adhesive paste' 9 : 1 ratio is what materials for? Are they (wheat flour paste) to (EVA / PVA) equal to 9 : 1? Or, ( cold water ) : ( wheat flour ) = 9 : 1?
Can you use methol cellulose mix for this?
Yes, I know people do. I've tried it but didn't like the glossy finish. But I'm thinking I might revisit it.
Interesting video. Right in the beginning you said the paste is a 9 to 1 mix. 9 to 1 mix of what?
Bookbinding paste is traditionally starch based. So 9 parts water to 1 part starch. It might be in the description - don't remember. I have a video on making starch paste.
11:13 So the paste you used in this video was made with ordinary strong wheat flour? I suppose that in Moravia in the olden days, that’s the finest they had, or when did europeans start making potato starch? And it would be wheat too, not barley or even oat, to get as much protein content as possible? Or is that aspect only important when using paste for leather work? 🤔😊
I don't think anyones done DNA analysis or anything, but I think it is safe to assume it is wheat flour. But people way back when weren't as fussy as we are today and might use what was available when they need it and that might have been barley flour of that was common where they were.
Thanks for making this video- very nice & I'm sure I'll try doing some at some point. But... and I'm not sure if someone else has asked this, but I just didn't see it... your title says "-what is paste paper- and how to make it." You covered the how to make it part very thoroughly, but you never actually told us what paste paper is. I mean, I'm pretty sure I know, it's the decorative paper used on the inside of the cover to connect the text block to the covers. But... why did they use paste instead of just paint? And wouldn't the paste make it a little sticky after it dries? It reminds me of the gelatinous fingerpaints we used in elementary school (50 years ago now), maybe it was to make the paint more gelantinous and "fingerpainty"? Thanks, BG, absolute and complete beginner
I'll have to explain this detail better in a future video. Paste paper is just a traditional style of decorative paper. It was much more common before decorative papers started to be printed. It was used for everything - lining the inside of furniture, covering boxes, wrapping paper, and of course covering books and as decorative endpapers. Traditionally it was just wheat flour paste and cheap powdered pigment. Acrylic paints didn't exist hundreds of years ago and the paints that did exist would have been far too expensive. Using acrylic paint gives us access to lots more colour options. But we really just want the pigments from the paint. Though the modern acrylic medium does give the finished paper a bit of water resistance. Using straight acrylic paint would be very expensive. Hope this makes sense. DAS
@@DASBookbinding Thanks very much!
What materials have your paste?
I use acrylic paint for colour and starch paste for the medium. For paper I would recommend a heavy weight strong paper such as Hahnemuhle 150gsm. All the best, DAS
I am new to your channel . Love your paste paper but what type of paper is used in your video ?
I wish I knew! It's old stock, about 110gsm. I think it was made in the old Shoalhaven mill in NSW which closed many years ago. Permalife works okay too. Any of the high cotton content papers about 110gsm which are fairly hard work well. All the best, DAS
Thank you so much for your reply . 110gsm seems like a good paper for printing. I do have A3 quality cartridge might give it a go. I inherited a studio of a deceased book binder only wished I met her earlier . Tools that I am not familiar with being new to book binding .
Beautiful hand crafted wood clamps and lots of leathers . Any advise on care of leather , tools or how to use it ?
Good evening from Canada, what is the best paper to use ? Thank you. Cheers :)
Mohawk Superfine smooth white works well. 70lb or 80lb text weight. DAS
What brand of paper are you using here?
In this video I used a paper that isn't made any more. Mohawk Superfine white smooth 70lb text weight works well. DAS
I recently started using marbled paper in my bookbinding. The ones I bought all seem to be matte compared to the more glossy marbled paper you see in antique books. I tried using this same technique with beeswax you used on this video but only to limited success. Are there other methods of sealing paper that you know of? or is it possible that I need to heat the wax a little more so that it's easier to transfer?
The wax will only take you so far. To get a shiny surface one method is to burnish with something like an agate burnisher. Some of those early papers also had a coating on them. But some of them are actually lithographs and not hand marbled, and some are so good it can be hard to tell them apart. I think burnishing is your solution. Modern marbles don't want to have to burnish because it takes ages and would make the paper really expensive. All the best, Darryn
When you say ratio do you mean 1part starch and 9part water.
Yes. By volume.
So, how is it used?
Bookbinders usually use it for decorative endpapers or board papers (the covers). Here is a book I used paste paper for the covers.
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But you can use it for anything requiring decorative paper - box making etc. I use the sheets I'm not happy with for wrapping presents:) DAS
Which paper you used for it?
Any strong white paper works. Permalife works well. The paper I use in the video is no longer made. It's about 110gsm white wove machine made paper which is fairly well sized. DAS
What kind of paper do you use?
It was made in a mill in NSW that does not exist any more. Any medium text weight well sized strong paper works. When I run out of this paper I'm thinking of changing to Gmund 100% cotton. I've done some tests and it works really well, but expensive. Permalife works well. I do need to find a new paper as I'm running out of this stock. DAS
I have just heard about paste papers and am watching videos about it. What is the paste?
Starch based glue. Some people use methyl cellulose. I have some videos on these.
@@DASBookbinding thank you.
Can anyone explain the 9:1 mix ? I am a novice in book binding,don't understand the topic there
Mix 1 cup of starch to 9 cups of water and gently cook. That makes a lot, so you might want halve it. DAS
@@DASBookbinding I am from india, we barely find starch here, can I use wheat flour in place?
@@subhankardutta8141 I wonder if you could find a laundry starch without additives to make clothes more white. That is what I use in Australia. But the most famous paste papers come from pre 19th century Europe and refined starch didn't exist then and they used wheat flour. And some of these papers still look like new. So yes, you can use wheat flour. 9:1 might be a bit thick. You might need to add a bit more water. Good luck! DAS
@@DASBookbinding thank you so much... appreciated your worthy work
Forgive my asking - a nine to one mix of what please?
1 part wheat starch to 9 parts water - a thin paste. DAS
Hi, thanks for the videos, really interesting and help to novices like me. I have a question about your paste paper demo. Is it wheat starch paste? What tyle/weight of paper are you using?
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Yes, wheat starch paste, but any type of starch paste will work. The paper is no longer manufactures, but it is 110gsm wove white. Ciao, DAS
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about 110gsm
i tried it but i didint be successful. My paint was too much soft. How come?
Too many variables for me to be able to tel you. Just try adjusting things like the thickness of paste and amount of paint added. Good luck! DAS
@@DASBookbinding I do, thanks!
Any snakes visiting that deck?
Not since the pet rat died.
@@DASBookbinding I have an issue with the snakes. :( I can not live in areas with many snakes.