To fix belt track, add two color lines the length of the belt, with matching marks on the front plate. Run the belt for a revolution, easy to spot alignment issues.
I wonder if it is possible to add some ball bearing guides that ride on the edge of the belt to keep the belt perfectly centered so it can't pull over to either side? Other than that, and a little hairspray from time to time, it seems like a great printer, especially for people that run print farms making hundreds of the same items to be sold.
Good news is I did back this on Kick Starter and I am looking forward to getting mine in May. I started my 3D world on Dec 2, 2020 as a result of this kickstarter and I have since purchased 4 creality printers to get me started. Over 15,000 grams later I have gain some printing experience that will lend itself to the CR30. Great video and thank you for creating it, sincerely, RM3D Creations
Very useful. I have backed the project but was hedging my bets, watching all reviews so that I could release my pledge before the campaign closes if I didn't like what the community was saying. Your no-punches-pulled approach gives me a good idea about what I am letting myself in for and, together with my trust in Naomi and the other important contributors involved I will be maintaining my pledge, while being under no illusions that it will be all plain sailing.
Experimental belt printer support just went live in Kiri:Moto 2.4. It's somewhat difficult to test without a printer in-hand. I would really appreciate your feedback on the implementation. You can run Kiri:Moto in your browser at (( grid.space/kiri/ )) and a quick video about how to use the feature is here (( ruclips.net/video/0QtZzROdeyU/видео.html ))
Uh, ideamaker just showed a preview of 45 degree angle printing. Karl of the white knight has some incredible profiles of blackbelt Cura. And rumor is Prusa is looking into supporting it like the other creality machines.
When I did my master sword I removed the blade in blender, extended the end back into the hilt, boolean'd it out, then printed the blade on the CR-30 and the hild/handle/pommel as one pied on the CR10S Pro. It came out great, and I think this is the best example I have of him saying that it's a great supplement.
This idea...Its a great one for those that do alot of things such as cosplay props or continuous production of smaller parts..but the quality just isnt for small stuff yet. I see they are constantly working on it to make it better, which says alot for the company, Naomi and what this can become. I personally cant afford one or cant see a personal use for it. But I wish them all the best! Great video with a fair assessment!
@@vinnycordeiro I can’t support the Dragon. It looks to be an unauthorized copy of the Mosquito which is patented technology. But that’s my personal choice.
@@NAK3DDesigns Respect your opinion, although I disagree: I don't think just adding four metallic posts between a heatblock and a heatsink could be characterized as an unathorized copy. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, and that question is way beyond my knowledge, I may be wrong. On the other hand, if you look at the Spider hotend, *that* is an unauthorized copy of the Mosquito.
I've had my Cr-30 for about a week. I learned how to tram this sort of belt printer and it's been printing very well! I'm looking forward to having Octoprint running on it.
@@JasonLooseArrowAlso i cant communicate with mine over serial, did you find anything you needed to change for the serial? And which firmware version does you printer have?
@@dead_engineer I always just used the USB cable. I sold my machine a while back. Good machine, though. It just didn't do what I needed it to do as well as my other machines.
I wish they made a belt printer without the 45 degree angle. Obviously it wouldn’t be meant for really long prints but if the belt moves back and forth, it can print small objects at the normal 90 degrees. It gives the benefit of popping the print off when it’s done and allows for multiple prints to continuously made.
Good device to print chocolate right from conveyor belt into the box. High risk to spoil big prints, but for numerous little - it's ok. Thank you for interesting review!
I love the idea of this printer, and would love to get one, but I don't have a need for continuous prints so I can't justify the cost of backing. If things change in the future then I'll be willing to pay the increased cost. Thank you for reviewing this printer; I've been following it since Ms. Wu did a video on it a few months back and mentioned bringing it to kickstarter. I love watching your videos and your tips have really helped me improve my Ender3 pro.
Another benefit: It will also print non-planar, in a way. At least non-planar with respect to the bed. For example (infinitely long) aerofoil should be very easy to make.
We ordered it and understand the good and bad. Already have 8 active printers in our lab with an additional 4 down for repairs. The information you gave was extremely useful, and we thank you. We are eager to get ours.
It's a great product, as you said, it shouldn't be your only printer, but with a bit of tweaking, hopefully, some of it done factory side, (and slicer settings) this has the potential to be a VERY good printer for infinite length products, or doing a big batch of prints that would otherwise have you removing them on a scheduled timeframe.
Thank you. Since I've just started with 3d printing this year, i guess ill wait a while, before trying this monster of a printer. Thanks Michael and we'll done Naomi.
My humble advice to you is to stick with traditional Cartesian plane FDM printing, learn as much as you can, watch as many videos from Michael, Naomi, Thomas, Joel, Stephan and others as you can, learn everything you can about your specific machine, do some upgrades, learn your slicer inside and out and print as much as you can with different materials. Then, when you're looking for another challenge, maybe look at one of these. It's been 6 years for me and 5 printers later (4 FDMs, 1 Resin) and I'm still learning new stuff every time I print something. Stick with it and you'll certainly get there. Happy printing!
Have you ever looked at a Voron? The community is getting larger and may be worth a look. The switchwire with nonplanar might be a really interesting project. The switchwire uses a corexy belt but for y and z.
A year and a half ago when i started into the hobby, i started to build a Piper (EMT Conduit) printer and that was the first time i saw the 'piper infinity' which is a belt 3d printer. I'm sure it was inspired by one of the other originators you listed here but i always get a little sad that it is never mentioned in any of these lists of other belt 3d printers.
In concept, it is a fantastic idea. There is so may doors this opens up but like all tech, it is going to need backing and following to mature. I personally would back this project if I had the money to do so and I would even want to include it as a machine in a print farm regardless of flaws as tech always moves forward not backward. we all know where 3d printing was 10 years ago. Great video Michael!!
Hey Michael a video on Octoprint would be great. I assume it requires some special settings to add the cr30. Also octolapse as far as I know would require a bit of setup for the belt printer. Both would be great videos. Please also post the webcam mount you got and the cura profile you used.
I'm curious, how exactly is Naomi involved in this product? Was the conveyer belt her idea, or did she contribute to the engineering or something? I've heard in 5 videos now "Naomis printer" but none seem to explain how she is involved.
I'd be interested to know more about Naomi's involvement in the product itself, rather than the marketing of it... Nothing against her at all, but Creality has been a sponsor of her. Any official job would likely be within the marketing department. This all seems quite transparent, but of course does not take away from the product. Creality seem to be on a fast-track to overtake Tiertime as China's top 3D printer manufacture, regardless. All the best to them - it would be a smart investment to stamp their machines with and merge Naomi's branding into their official product line.
China is an environmentalists nightmare. They ruin the 3d printer market with mediocre products, no innovation and only stamped Naomi on this for sexual marketing. If I want a belt printer I'll insert a belt into my folgertech. That kind of add-on is innovative and would be cheaper for anyone with a 3d printer already.
Idk, seems like a good idea. However, on my Ender 3 Pro, I installed a glass bed with solid permanent bed mounts, the 32bit silent motherboard, and a BLtouch auto bed leveling probe. It's so nice. I never have to touch the bed. Lol
I know! The never ending bed tuning could end with a simple locking knob! After months of going crazy I did this with my old XYZ’s and it transformed them! (M3 brass coupling nuts 40mm long.)
I have no use for the thing and don't think much of the quality of the results either. However it did occur to me you could tilt the bed (actually the whole printer base) to, say, 45deg and the overhang issues would go away. You could still get usefully long prints with the printer sat at normal desk height (your sword for example) and also still able to return it to its usual orientation for the stupidly long prints (which if you're honest you're not going to want anyway...)
I am pleased the great maker Naomi deemed you worthy of a test unit, but more impressed that Creality is still tweeking the design with the new belt. If I had the space and money the repeatability of the CR30 for batch jobs is very compelling.
Brilliant video, my first printer was a the Delta Kossel (mega pain).. 2nd Printer, Anycubic Mega S (really easy).. I need long though to make some TPU belts and gaskets.. fingers crossed 😁 I've just been thwarted by a 'stray' caphead, that I think was meant for y axis adjustment, it lodged in the extrusion behind the extruder.. kinda makes assembly difficult, so I'd definitely recommend checking all extrusion gaps for FOD..
I had thought about this idea but complexities arise as any conveyor belt system has to have some flexibility. 3D Printers rely on the solid hard surface to be able to maintain the leveling. If the conveyor is to tight to compensate for any flexibility in the print bed then the conveyor would have a hard time moving. Adjust it more loosely and then the problem is flexibility making the bed have unleveled surface. BUT, interesting concept. I hesitate to buy dual extrusion printers, multi-purpose 3D Printers and ones with this conveyor. In fact I prefer Lead Screws vs. Bowden systems. Now if I needed to print multiple parts in an assembly line type of setting then this could be attractive. My favorite printer is a Lulzbot TAZ 6, which I even built the toolhead, they call it a toolhead, that has the MOARstruder Tool Head for 1.2 nozzles. GREAT for a very VERY quick prototype. Then I go back to the .4 nozzle with the 2.85mm filament. BUT, if I want to use 1.75mm filament I did built a 3rd toolhead to swap to 1.75 filament. The worst printer I own is a Sindoh DP100. There is a design flaw that, perhaps, the other enclosed 3D Printers have. The closed casing is a good idea for ABS prints but the Sindoh is very over engineered with the cassette box that holds proprietary filament, which you can get firmware to bypass that. But any extruder jam and you are opening the machine, which is a real pain. Design flaw is that the heated bed goes up and down on the Z axis. The design flaw is that the support for the bed on the rails is in the back, therefore supported by the plastic guides on the bed support in only 2 areas, the 2 back rails. Eventually the plastic guides that ride the rail on the bed support they wear out and the round structure on the bed support becomes oblong. The Lulzbot, best machine I have, you can actually print out most replacement parts, that's how I built my other 2 Lulzbot toolhead. Try to get that part, they don't sell it. And then you have to get into the major disassembly even if you had the part. Now I did break my rule of not buying multipurpose machines and I have a Snapmaker 2.0. It is pretty decent. I use it mostly for 3D Printing as I did not buy the Laser or CNC modules. One crazy printer I have is a Dobot MOOZ 2, that Naomi did a review on. She did not like it BUT she did not either have the patience or knowledge to use it. I got to say that it is my very best printer but as small as the Snapmaker original. In fact one of the 2 companies must have sued the other as they were nearly identical. Only reason I don't say that the Dobot is as good as the Lulzbot is due to the small print volume. But I printed 2 of the models that check print quality and tolerances and, guess what, the Dobot was the best. Surprised right. My Dobot does have the 3 modules, Laser, CNC and 3D Printing. I have used the CNC and Laser but not often. I've got to say, hands down, that for small models the Dobot does the absolute best builds. I do mostly robotic with Arduino and Raspberry so the parts I need are usually larger and I prefer to not glue parts together, but for smaller gears I constantly use the Dobot.
Hey man, it would be a really good idea if you make a video about smoothening the bottom surface of an object which is being supported. So the rough surfaces caused by supports. Love the content!
A buddy of mine and I went in on a two pack of the printers. Glad to see the improved belt that texture looks very reasonable the previous one was too rough. Hopefully they find a coating that will be more permanent than needing hairspray. The addition of the octoprint server is great. The campaign has announced that they are including creality's version of one so we will see how that goes. I like the thought that you can monitor the prints in the queue and if they fail then cancel the print and print another. Even clear the belt remotely. Looking forward to the hands free replication features and will install large spools of filament to keep things cranking.
Hi i am here from the future(June 2021).. we backed the project and have gotten the printer. I have to say it's a really good printer. One thing that stand out, is the overall quality/price ratio..superp I agree with the learning curve. But ones you get more experience and also get more video on tube you will also overcome this. You also overcome this But i want to add a small remark. If you are to make long print.the spool holder that is supplied with the printer is just to little. You would want to have a big spool of filement..i made my own easy. But i do recommend people to buy a solution or at least make one..as changing filement mid print. Introduced unnecessary challenges. One thing that really stands out..it's very silenced.. Well we need more in depth setting vids on this....here mid June... So please make some.
I’m impress your professionalism is very good, I commande on Kickstarter the CR30 I exited to receive is not easy I now. Big thank you for this very detailed review
This has nothing to do with this review but would recommend replacing 6mm timing belt with steel or fiberglass or Kevlar core Belt. Like you channel. Appreciate what you do.
I really like the idea of it and considered building one of the squires until I saw the total on the BOM. I have a half dozen Creality printers and I really would have considered this if It had come out before the 6SE. I supported that Kick starter and that turned into a cluster. Mine was doing all sorts of strange things until a recent Firmware update and I'm one of the lucky ones. On the Print mill I would be worried about belt life and adhesion. I really want to see some long term testing.
Also curious to hear you elaborate. I thought the cr-6 looked solid. I was baffled why creality would kick start a machine that they should have just made to begin with.
I have the same feeling cr6 is a good printer but the the Kickstarter versions had so many trouble and an extremely bad customer service. It made the cr6 community furious. Mine luckily only had a broken power switch compared to others with burning motherboards and after many months still no replacement parts......
it feels like this printer is pretty good, but its the slicer and other software that still needs a lot of versions before this can propperly print. good stuff, looks interesting for continue manufacturing.
I think this printer really needs the extruder motor right on the print head instead of having the feed line. And the belt looked like it had too much vertical play when the nozzle touched it.
Hi, Teaching Tech, I love your videos! I've been trying to do some research, but do you have a video, or will you make one on different brands of hot ends and make a recommendation on your favorite for different jobs/filament types? I saw the one you made for the swiss hot end, but I'd be interested on your take for the best hobbyist hot end for PLA.
It's a neat design and will revolutionize large printing for things like cosplay armor and weapons. I can also see valid uses for it in the small to medium batch production space for simple objects like face shield frames or small life quality items that can be printed infinitely (until the filament spool runs out). I think it's limiting factors, however, are the possible materials that are printable. It'll print PLA all day without much of an issue, but I don't see ABS or PETG working too well, for example. That sounds like a warping and curling nightmare for sure. Who knows, though. If they get popular enough, someone will probably come up with a new filament specifically for use with these belt printers. Also, it seems like there is a lot of calibration nuance to the moving belt, so there is a lot of testing and tuning to be done to get a usable machine. That being said, I definitely think that there is a place for this machine in your arsenal if those specific conditions are met. Will I purchase one? Probably not in the near term, since I don't have a need for it, but it's great to know that it exists. There are a lot of Creality haters out there who will doubt this setup, but I think you gave it a fair assessment and I trust your analysis.
I've tried using PETG and your not exaggerating on the curling nightmare, but some seem to have no issue printing with it. Not sure what my problem is.
only issue I have, even before watching the video, is the longevity and lifespan of the belt. unlike a glass bed... these things will be harder and more expensive to replace. also harder to FIND the actual special belt. the rest? awesome machine...
The 2010 version I showed is still on Thingiverse. I'm tempted to make a bed for automatic ejection of parts but still with a traditional vertically moving Z axis.
For sake of consistence with the belt level I assume there is a flat work surface under the belt that is adjustable. I am a 3d printer junky and I am planning the pick one of these up. What I am concerned with is a reusable surface. I would guess the belt is a pain to change. Can it be coated with tape? Is there a bar or anything that holds the belt down just prior to the extruder area. Would think a spring tension bread roller just before the extruder would be needed. Thank you for the review.
There will be Ender 6 for corexy, comes with stock enclosure probably. That would be interesting. I have just built a new Sapphire Plus’s next revision beta model, will try fitting some acrylic to make it Ender-6ish on a budget.
Would it be better if the entire device was angled at 45 degrees so the extruder points parallel to the gravity vector but still can print continuously?
As a customer, I do not see why the retail price of this machine is supposed to be three or four times the price of an Ender 3/5. As you pointed out, all materials (except for the belt) are parts carried over - including the old V-slot rollers, cheap hotend etc. Admittedly, the belt mechanism is more complex than an Ender 3, and the adaptation of firmware and Cura both certainly cost some good effort and money. But for me, Creality stands for cheap printers - in the literal sense. If the price for this machine would be half of what they suggest now, I would consider taking a closer look. But if they insist on calling up Prusa-level prices, I would expect them to deliver Prusa-like quality - I. e. responsive 24/7 customer service, high quality brand bearings/linear rails/timing belts etc. - and especially a machine that works and procuces perfect quality prints out of the box, without any fiddling and tweaking, as demonstrated by you here.
Is there an updated printer that can do this these days that you would recommend? I'd love to print parts I print often but they're decor so quality is still a factor I need to keep a priority.
Same - currently it's more trouble than the ability to sequential/long print is worth for me. Might look into the open source White Knight at some point though
Hello Michael! Need some help! I'm looking for a way to accurately adjust the steps/mm for dimensional accuracy on my CR-30. Unfortunately, all usual calculators are designed for a 90 degree cartesian printer. Being the Y and Z axis are NOT on a 90 degree orientation, the changes in steps/mm are not the same. Do you know of a calculator or a formula that will accurately translate the 45 degree angle? Thanks in advance!
Hi Michael, what about making a video on what mods have to be done to a printer to print filaments that need 280-300°C? I have a cr-10 that I love, but I would like to use filaments that need higher nozzle temperature.
It’s Kickstarter. No way I am backing it. I back 2 Kodama obsidians for about £500 3 years ago, delivery was meant to be before Xmas 2017. I got nothing. I backed the the Creality CR6 thinking well this creality it’ll be different and it was. I got a printer. I’ve had it 2 months or maybe a bit more and have not got a useable print off it. Creality support has been very poor. Not withstanding the faulty switch that perhaps could have started a fire I have replaced the extruder and the mainboard and the dead hotend fan all at my own cost because creality support is so poor, there’s other issues some are having as well. You mention buying a printer both in the video and in your title. You are not buying anything Michael. You know that. You are backing it on Kickstarter. If you buy something you have legal rights and can return it under your countries consumer laws. You have no such rights under Kickstarter as I am sure you are aware indeed you even mention it at the end of the video. You cannot buy this printer so you talking about buying it and using buying in your title is to me at least a bit misleading. You know what Kickstarter is, you are probably aware of the CR6E issues, I’m sure you know of others that have failed talking of buying this printer is misleading as if you order one now you are not buying one. You are throwing yourself at the mercy of creality and whatever support they may or may not give you and have no rights. You give them up on Kickstarter. Sorry Michael love the channel and I know I’m repeating myself but you really should not be using Kickstarter and buying together. It’s not for me by the way, all valid points on the video and a review apart from the buying bit. If I buy something I want some legal protection so if I really wanted this I would wait and buy a production unit where I would have consumer/purchasing rights. Yes it’s meant to be more expensive but in my opinion it’s worth the extra. Plus in the case of the CR6E when the retail units came out they were so discounted they were the same price as the backers paid. This may be entirely different I don’t know. If Naomi herself could fix every single printer herself, as I know she would if she could then great but this is impossible. Apologies for the rant but people maybe do not know what they are doing, you say buy and mention Kickstarter and they think it’s a shop. It’s not. We both know it’s not and we both know the difference between backing and buying a printer but not everyone does. Oh and I do know why this is on Kickstarter as Naomi commented to me elsewhere, she wants this to be open source and said she came to an agreement with creality that if she raised a certain figure they would make it open source so best of luck to her.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that Kickstarter is a risk and I have a warning in any video about Kickstarter products that they are risk, including this one. The use of 'buy' in the title and video is not intended to misrepresent. I used as a way of future proofing since eventually this won't be on Kickstarter and will be for sale in a normal way. For the record the CR-6 SE I tested was the best out of box printer experience I've ever had. Better than Prusas or anything else. The lesson there for me is beware of stretch goals that potentially add new features that haven't been tested prior to the campaign.
Michael I thought that might be your intention but if someone comes along not knowing what Kickstarter is and sees your video he or she hears you say buy they think they are buying it. I brought this up with another RUclipsr who did not mention buy but did mention back and Kickstarter. I told him that because he said nothing about Kickstarter he could mislead people and I thought he had an obligation to make it clearer. I did not like the answer I got, he said if people were spending hundreds of pounds on something it was their responsibility to do their homework before they spent their money. While I agree in principle I don’t think it’s right that he mentioned nothing about the risks and it’s not a shop. Loved his channel but I do feel strongly about this so unfollowed him. Some may think that’s childish, I will definitely miss his videos and reviews but I do strongly feel it should be stressed that there are risks. I have a lot of printers, well 8 that’s a few. Four creality ones all pretty good but my CR6E is junk, too many issues. Your printer was obviously better built. Joel’s printer wasn’t that great either I recall think his board sparked and died. I will get it going but have a bigtreetech board for it, not buying another one of these creality boards. Glad your printer is ok. Hope you changed the switch and I wouldn’t risk using the usb for a pi. But maybe yours is fine you can only review what you get. Keep up the good work.
The “Buy” vs “Kickstarter” debate in the context of Creality is plain BS. Creality is a huge (multi million dollars or RMB) company and they made promises on the CR6 SE that they should have respected but they did not. They have been lying and cheating and even put the printer on sale on Banggood or AliExpress at same price than the KS What’s worse after all, is that the main selling point of the nozzle touching the bed to auto level is just stupid as the bed flexes when pushed from the top. Installing a BL touch on a cheaper printer is just a smarter concept. Or do as I did... buy a Prusa and resell your CR6
I cannot in all good conscience sell my CR6E, I would not even give it away as it stands. Perhaps I am a bit paranoid but I do not think it is safe and would not trust it to run unattended. Not that I have been able to as I’m still trying to fix it. There was the issue with the switch now the motherboard and no after sales support. I didn’t buy it, I backed it. This belt printer is not fit me it’s bringing too many variables into a successful print but I can see for a small number of people this being an incredible printer. Will the Kickstarter price be the same as the final retail price? Quite possibly so you save nothing. Will there be build issues and problems with parts? Yes. Will you be able to get the issues sorted with support from Creality as it’s a Kickstarter? No probably not. Really really really want this? Is this useful to you? Then wait for the retail one and keep all your rights so you can get proper help and if they don’t fix it return it to the retailer as allowed under the law for a full refund. No rights on Kickstarter oh and if you think but if I back it I will get it first! No. Not even that. Some backers got their printers early but some were still awaiting after the retail units were in the shops. A minority but I’m still not 100% certain everyone has their printer.
Would adding a second heater at a lower temperature after the first help with adhesion and allow a more gradual cooling so parts are less likely to dislodge?
What print speeds did you use with the larger 0.8mm nozzle and 0.4mm layer height? I just got this printer and it was painfully slow with the 0.4mm nozzle so looking to improve overall speed. thanks
I really like the idea but to me something like this has to have support for multiple rolls of filament so you can auto switch while printing. This thing is going to suck up a roll of filament in no time. Other than that just little nitpicks here and there like knobs to tension the belt rather than hex screws/bolts and an extended roller set that would have legs that could be adjusted and attached to the printer to allow the longer items to feed off without hanging in mid-air. I know you can do this yourself but it just seems like it would be a great accessory Creality could offer. Really is not a bad price at all, even at $1000. Next up, resin printing on a belt LOL Kickstarter - I do NOT think companies like Creality should be using that system. If Miss (or Mrs) Wu would be doing this on her own then it would be a viable way to get funding to get a project going (which is what kickstarter was supposed to be for in the first place) but with the backing of Creality the only reason for kickstarter is so they could take a loss without hurting their own pockets and of course, free advertising. People hate me for my opinions....it's ok but I won't stop saying what I believe to be true ;) Great video as always man!
They sell a roller extention for $100usd. The bed belt tensioner bolts are meant to be adjusted very rarely. Do it once correctly and not need to again. Having knobs would be more of a liability than anything and they are not needed anyway.
Hey, thanks for the great video! Would you be able/willing to share your slicing profile? I've tried some for idea maker but they all start printing on the very top of the y axis mid air and I've tried playing around with my Cura profile but I am not getting there :(
should i back this or order a prusa? I currently have a form 3, but want to start doing small production runs of product cases. Im interest in this for its continious printing capability, but would rather have a printer that is more reliable, better quality, and is capable of more types of geometry.
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Very fair! Already working on a lot of this👍🏻
Awesome work, Naomi! 👍👍👍
To fix belt track, add two color lines the length of the belt, with matching marks on the front plate. Run the belt for a revolution, easy to spot alignment issues.
Instead of the tiny hex screws for belt tensioning on the front can we get knobs like the bed leveling ones on newer Enders please.
I wonder if it is possible to add some ball bearing guides that ride on the edge of the belt to keep the belt perfectly centered so it can't pull over to either side?
Other than that, and a little hairspray from time to time, it seems like a great printer, especially for people that run print farms making hundreds of the same items to be sold.
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Naomi 'SexyCyborg' Wu, that's nice to know, I can't wait until this available again, as no more left on Kickstarter, 👍
Aka "The Never-Ender"!
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Thanks for all the great words. Happy to help.
Thank you very much for all of your help. It would have been a very different video without you.
Thanks for mentioning all other printers at the beginning. Nice review.
Good news is I did back this on Kick Starter and I am looking forward to getting mine in May. I started my 3D world on Dec 2, 2020 as a result of this kickstarter and I have since purchased 4 creality printers to get me started. Over 15,000 grams later I have gain some printing experience that will lend itself to the CR30. Great video and thank you for creating it, sincerely, RM3D Creations
Very useful. I have backed the project but was hedging my bets, watching all reviews so that I could release my pledge before the campaign closes if I didn't like what the community was saying. Your no-punches-pulled approach gives me a good idea about what I am letting myself in for and, together with my trust in Naomi and the other important contributors involved I will be maintaining my pledge, while being under no illusions that it will be all plain sailing.
I'm so happy so much work has gone into this printer and it's come this far. I can't wait to see what it's like on release
Aye this video is two years old it’s been out for a minute lol
I'm thinking I'll wait until I really need one. Hopefully that'll be a few generations from now and more of the bugs will be worked out.
brilliant review from a brilliant man. not a printer for me at all but I can see its uses.
Dear Michael, I am happy you have reported issues not reported by other youtubers on this nice but tricky 3D printer. Thank you for your time.
great informative video, good to see how the 3d print community work together to try and improve the experience for everyone
What a beautiful reflection at 4:32.
I’ll be passing on the CR30. Risk v’s reward to high at the moment. In a few years, once slicers are improved might be worth another look.
Experimental belt printer support just went live in Kiri:Moto 2.4. It's somewhat difficult to test without a printer in-hand. I would really appreciate your feedback on the implementation. You can run Kiri:Moto in your browser at (( grid.space/kiri/ )) and a quick video about how to use the feature is here (( ruclips.net/video/0QtZzROdeyU/видео.html ))
Uh, ideamaker just showed a preview of 45 degree angle printing. Karl of the white knight has some incredible profiles of blackbelt Cura. And rumor is Prusa is looking into supporting it like the other creality machines.
Nice video as always, Michael. That does look like a cool machine indeed.
When I did my master sword I removed the blade in blender, extended the end back into the hilt, boolean'd it out, then printed the blade on the CR-30 and the hild/handle/pommel as one pied on the CR10S Pro. It came out great, and I think this is the best example I have of him saying that it's a great supplement.
This idea...Its a great one for those that do alot of things such as cosplay props or continuous production of smaller parts..but the quality just isnt for small stuff yet. I see they are constantly working on it to make it better, which says alot for the company, Naomi and what this can become. I personally cant afford one or cant see a personal use for it. But I wish them all the best! Great video with a fair assessment!
Nice printer. When I got one, I'll do the following upgrades:
- Linear rails.
- Microswiss Hotend or Hemera extruder.
- Duet mainboard.
I’d recommend a mosquito hotend. One handed nozzle changes make things so much easier.
@@NAK3DDesigns I would go to a Dragon hotend. Also capable of one hand nozzle changes at half the price.
@@vinnycordeiro I can’t support the Dragon. It looks to be an unauthorized copy of the Mosquito which is patented technology. But that’s my personal choice.
@@NAK3DDesigns Respect your opinion, although I disagree: I don't think just adding four metallic posts between a heatblock and a heatsink could be characterized as an unathorized copy. Anyway, I'm not a lawyer, and that question is way beyond my knowledge, I may be wrong.
On the other hand, if you look at the Spider hotend, *that* is an unauthorized copy of the Mosquito.
I've had my Cr-30 for about a week. I learned how to tram this sort of belt printer and it's been printing very well! I'm looking forward to having Octoprint running on it.
hey are you there ? I just got cr-30 there are questions I need to ask
@@TonyStark-po9di What's up?
@@JasonLooseArrowAlso i cant communicate with mine over serial, did you find anything you needed to change for the serial? And which firmware version does you printer have?
@@dead_engineer I always just used the USB cable. I sold my machine a while back. Good machine, though. It just didn't do what I needed it to do as well as my other machines.
@JasonLooseArrowAlso thank you for your reply, in the end I got it working with octoprint :)
I wish they made a belt printer without the 45 degree angle. Obviously it wouldn’t be meant for really long prints but if the belt moves back and forth, it can print small objects at the normal 90 degrees. It gives the benefit of popping the print off when it’s done and allows for multiple prints to continuously made.
Good device to print chocolate right from conveyor belt into the box. High risk to spoil big prints, but for numerous little - it's ok.
Thank you for interesting review!
Thanks for your awesome review on this printer Micheal. Most appreciative of the octoprint info. I didn't know it can do that.
I love the idea of this printer, and would love to get one, but I don't have a need for continuous prints so I can't justify the cost of backing. If things change in the future then I'll be willing to pay the increased cost. Thank you for reviewing this printer; I've been following it since Ms. Wu did a video on it a few months back and mentioned bringing it to kickstarter. I love watching your videos and your tips have really helped me improve my Ender3 pro.
Another benefit: It will also print non-planar, in a way. At least non-planar with respect to the bed. For example (infinitely long) aerofoil should be very easy to make.
until the printed part starts weighing more than the part being printed... then gravity will stop the print :p
This printer is so cool! I really want one but I’m still struggling to get my head round an Ender 3 pro...
We ordered it and understand the good and bad. Already have 8 active printers in our lab with an additional 4 down for repairs. The information you gave was extremely useful, and we thank you. We are eager to get ours.
Thanks for your thoroughness and transparency. I'm not looking for a belt printer now, but I was curious about how one could be managed at home.
It's a great product, as you said, it shouldn't be your only printer, but with a bit of tweaking, hopefully, some of it done factory side, (and slicer settings) this has the potential to be a VERY good printer for infinite length products, or doing a big batch of prints that would otherwise have you removing them on a scheduled timeframe.
Thank you. Since I've just started with 3d printing this year, i guess ill wait a while, before trying this monster of a printer.
Thanks Michael and we'll done Naomi.
My humble advice to you is to stick with traditional Cartesian plane FDM printing, learn as much as you can, watch as many videos from Michael, Naomi, Thomas, Joel, Stephan and others as you can, learn everything you can about your specific machine, do some upgrades, learn your slicer inside and out and print as much as you can with different materials. Then, when you're looking for another challenge, maybe look at one of these. It's been 6 years for me and 5 printers later (4 FDMs, 1 Resin) and I'm still learning new stuff every time I print something. Stick with it and you'll certainly get there. Happy printing!
Have you ever looked at a Voron? The community is getting larger and may be worth a look. The switchwire with nonplanar might be a really interesting project. The switchwire uses a corexy belt but for y and z.
A year and a half ago when i started into the hobby, i started to build a Piper (EMT Conduit) printer and that was the first time i saw the 'piper infinity' which is a belt 3d printer. I'm sure it was inspired by one of the other originators you listed here but i always get a little sad that it is never mentioned in any of these lists of other belt 3d printers.
_Interesting machine_ ! Hope to try one in the future 😎
You're make awesome job reviewing and explaining, respect 👌🏼
Great information Michael, I have backed this so I am going to need as much information/help as I can get! It just looks amazing though
I've backed it. I'm not a noob at this having built 3 of my own. I can't wait for it to ship.
In concept, it is a fantastic idea. There is so may doors this opens up but like all tech, it is going to need backing and following to mature. I personally would back this project if I had the money to do so and I would even want to include it as a machine in a print farm regardless of flaws as tech always moves forward not backward. we all know where 3d printing was 10 years ago. Great video Michael!!
Hey Michael a video on Octoprint would be great. I assume it requires some special settings to add the cr30. Also octolapse as far as I know would require a bit of setup for the belt printer. Both would be great videos. Please also post the webcam mount you got and the cura profile you used.
I'm curious, how exactly is Naomi involved in this product? Was the conveyer belt her idea, or did she contribute to the engineering or something? I've heard in 5 videos now "Naomis printer" but none seem to explain how she is involved.
I love this printer because its moving forward and is definitely going to make these printers better
I'd be interested to know more about Naomi's involvement in the product itself, rather than the marketing of it... Nothing against her at all, but Creality has been a sponsor of her. Any official job would likely be within the marketing department. This all seems quite transparent, but of course does not take away from the product. Creality seem to be on a fast-track to overtake Tiertime as China's top 3D printer manufacture, regardless. All the best to them - it would be a smart investment to stamp their machines with and merge Naomi's branding into their official product line.
China is an environmentalists nightmare. They ruin the 3d printer market with mediocre products, no innovation and only stamped Naomi on this for sexual marketing. If I want a belt printer I'll insert a belt into my folgertech. That kind of add-on is innovative and would be cheaper for anyone with a 3d printer already.
5:32 why this locking nob never made to any of their other printers? I'm sure it would helped a ton at retaining level on one without ABL sensor
Idk, seems like a good idea.
However, on my Ender 3 Pro, I installed a glass bed with solid permanent bed mounts, the 32bit silent motherboard, and a BLtouch auto bed leveling probe.
It's so nice.
I never have to touch the bed. Lol
I know! The never ending bed tuning could end with a simple locking knob! After months of going crazy I did this with my old XYZ’s and it transformed them! (M3 brass coupling nuts 40mm long.)
1:06 Best part of the video. Made me spit my drink!! LOL
I have no use for the thing and don't think much of the quality of the results either. However it did occur to me you could tilt the bed (actually the whole printer base) to, say, 45deg and the overhang issues would go away. You could still get usefully long prints with the printer sat at normal desk height (your sword for example) and also still able to return it to its usual orientation for the stupidly long prints (which if you're honest you're not going to want anyway...)
One of the review videos tried this. Gravity seems to only play a small part
That's a nice idea.
I am pleased the great maker Naomi deemed you worthy of a test unit, but more impressed that Creality is still tweeking the design with the new belt. If I had the space and money the repeatability of the CR30 for batch jobs is very compelling.
Thanks! I consider this to a pre-production printer allready in production. I'll skeep this and wait for version 2 or 3 :-)
Brilliant video, my first printer was a the Delta Kossel (mega pain).. 2nd Printer, Anycubic Mega S (really easy).. I need long though to make some TPU belts and gaskets.. fingers crossed 😁 I've just been thwarted by a 'stray' caphead, that I think was meant for y axis adjustment, it lodged in the extrusion behind the extruder.. kinda makes assembly difficult, so I'd definitely recommend checking all extrusion gaps for FOD..
I had thought about this idea but complexities arise as any conveyor belt system has to have some flexibility. 3D Printers rely on the solid hard surface to be able to maintain the leveling. If the conveyor is to tight to compensate for any flexibility in the print bed then the conveyor would have a hard time moving. Adjust it more loosely and then the problem is flexibility making the bed have unleveled surface. BUT, interesting concept. I hesitate to buy dual extrusion printers, multi-purpose 3D Printers and ones with this conveyor. In fact I prefer Lead Screws vs. Bowden systems. Now if I needed to print multiple parts in an assembly line type of setting then this could be attractive. My favorite printer is a Lulzbot TAZ 6, which I even built the toolhead, they call it a toolhead, that has the MOARstruder Tool Head for 1.2 nozzles. GREAT for a very VERY quick prototype. Then I go back to the .4 nozzle with the 2.85mm filament. BUT, if I want to use 1.75mm filament I did built a 3rd toolhead to swap to 1.75 filament. The worst printer I own is a Sindoh DP100. There is a design flaw that, perhaps, the other enclosed 3D Printers have. The closed casing is a good idea for ABS prints but the Sindoh is very over engineered with the cassette box that holds proprietary filament, which you can get firmware to bypass that. But any extruder jam and you are opening the machine, which is a real pain. Design flaw is that the heated bed goes up and down on the Z axis. The design flaw is that the support for the bed on the rails is in the back, therefore supported by the plastic guides on the bed support in only 2 areas, the 2 back rails. Eventually the plastic guides that ride the rail on the bed support they wear out and the round structure on the bed support becomes oblong. The Lulzbot, best machine I have, you can actually print out most replacement parts, that's how I built my other 2 Lulzbot toolhead. Try to get that part, they don't sell it. And then you have to get into the major disassembly even if you had the part. Now I did break my rule of not buying multipurpose machines and I have a Snapmaker 2.0. It is pretty decent. I use it mostly for 3D Printing as I did not buy the Laser or CNC modules. One crazy printer I have is a Dobot MOOZ 2, that Naomi did a review on. She did not like it BUT she did not either have the patience or knowledge to use it. I got to say that it is my very best printer but as small as the Snapmaker original. In fact one of the 2 companies must have sued the other as they were nearly identical. Only reason I don't say that the Dobot is as good as the Lulzbot is due to the small print volume. But I printed 2 of the models that check print quality and tolerances and, guess what, the Dobot was the best. Surprised right. My Dobot does have the 3 modules, Laser, CNC and 3D Printing. I have used the CNC and Laser but not often. I've got to say, hands down, that for small models the Dobot does the absolute best builds. I do mostly robotic with Arduino and Raspberry so the parts I need are usually larger and I prefer to not glue parts together, but for smaller gears I constantly use the Dobot.
Thanks for the video! What are the RPI case and the camera holder models in 13:43 ? Thanks
Hey man, it would be a really good idea if you make a video about smoothening the bottom surface of an object which is being supported. So the rough surfaces caused by supports. Love the content!
A buddy of mine and I went in on a two pack of the printers. Glad to see the improved belt that texture looks very reasonable the previous one was too rough. Hopefully they find a coating that will be more permanent than needing hairspray. The addition of the octoprint server is great. The campaign has announced that they are including creality's version of one so we will see how that goes. I like the thought that you can monitor the prints in the queue and if they fail then cancel the print and print another. Even clear the belt remotely. Looking forward to the hands free replication features and will install large spools of filament to keep things cranking.
Hi i am here from the future(June 2021).. we backed the project and have gotten the printer.
I have to say it's a really good printer.
One thing that stand out, is the overall quality/price ratio..superp
I agree with the learning curve.
But ones you get more experience and also get more video on tube you will also overcome this.
You also overcome this
But i want to add a small remark.
If you are to make long print.the spool holder that is supplied with the printer is just to little.
You would want to have a big spool of filement..i made my own easy.
But i do recommend people to buy a solution or at least make one..as changing filement mid print. Introduced unnecessary challenges.
One thing that really stands out..it's very silenced..
Well we need more in depth setting vids on this....here mid June...
So please make some.
What webcam mount is that? I can't tell if it's 3d printed or not.
Thanks michael.
I was trying to find information on the hotend, I appreciate you letting us know it's an ender 3 style MK8.
Great video and perspectives. I don't have a compelling reason to obtain one now (wish I did) so I'll be a spectator.
Hey Michael, Thank you for reviewing this printer! I am interested in backing this one...
Great review of it!
I’m impress your professionalism is very good, I commande on Kickstarter the CR30 I exited to receive is not easy I now. Big thank you for this very detailed review
This has nothing to do with this review but would recommend replacing 6mm timing belt with steel or fiberglass or Kevlar core Belt. Like you channel. Appreciate what you do.
should have read would you. Thanks again
I really like the idea of it and considered building one of the squires until I saw the total on the BOM. I have a half dozen Creality printers and I really would have considered this if It had come out before the 6SE. I supported that Kick starter and that turned into a cluster. Mine was doing all sorts of strange things until a recent Firmware update and I'm one of the lucky ones. On the Print mill I would be worried about belt life and adhesion. I really want to see some long term testing.
Thanks for these videos. Can you please make some recommendations for 3D printers with larger build sizes, for example 20-25 inches in one dimension?
After backing the CR-6 and the stuffing around there I don't think I'll ever back anything from creality ever again sorry to say.
Would you care to elaborate? Curious because I might back this one but haven't backed anything from Creality before.
Also curious to hear you elaborate. I thought the cr-6 looked solid. I was baffled why creality would kick start a machine that they should have just made to begin with.
I have the same feeling cr6 is a good printer but the the Kickstarter versions had so many trouble and an extremely bad customer service. It made the cr6 community furious. Mine luckily only had a broken power switch compared to others with burning motherboards and after many months still no replacement parts......
it feels like this printer is pretty good, but its the slicer and other software that still needs a lot of versions before this can propperly print. good stuff, looks interesting for continue manufacturing.
Thanks for the video, as the world turns technology rises higher.
I was surprrised I was not subcribed to you because I watcha lot of your videos! subbed now!
What a cool Idea
I think this printer really needs the extruder motor right on the print head instead of having the feed line. And the belt looked like it had too much vertical play when the nozzle touched it.
Hi, Teaching Tech, I love your videos!
I've been trying to do some research, but do you have a video, or will you make one on different brands of hot ends and make a recommendation on your favorite for different jobs/filament types?
I saw the one you made for the swiss hot end, but I'd be interested on your take for the best hobbyist hot end for PLA.
It's a neat design and will revolutionize large printing for things like cosplay armor and weapons. I can also see valid uses for it in the small to medium batch production space for simple objects like face shield frames or small life quality items that can be printed infinitely (until the filament spool runs out). I think it's limiting factors, however, are the possible materials that are printable. It'll print PLA all day without much of an issue, but I don't see ABS or PETG working too well, for example. That sounds like a warping and curling nightmare for sure. Who knows, though. If they get popular enough, someone will probably come up with a new filament specifically for use with these belt printers. Also, it seems like there is a lot of calibration nuance to the moving belt, so there is a lot of testing and tuning to be done to get a usable machine. That being said, I definitely think that there is a place for this machine in your arsenal if those specific conditions are met. Will I purchase one? Probably not in the near term, since I don't have a need for it, but it's great to know that it exists. There are a lot of Creality haters out there who will doubt this setup, but I think you gave it a fair assessment and I trust your analysis.
I've tried using PETG and your not exaggerating on the curling nightmare, but some seem to have no issue printing with it. Not sure what my problem is.
"It's just not as sticky as a traditional bed" XD XD XD
only issue I have, even before watching the video, is the longevity and lifespan of the belt.
unlike a glass bed... these things will be harder and more expensive to replace. also harder to FIND the actual special belt.
the rest? awesome machine...
Id love to back this, it’s a very unique printer. I just can’t come up with a practical use for my work load.
I also would prefer it be an auto roll bed with a regular printer setup, but MakerBot owns that patent. 🙄
The 2010 version I showed is still on Thingiverse. I'm tempted to make a bed for automatic ejection of parts but still with a traditional vertically moving Z axis.
For sake of consistence with the belt level I assume there is a flat work surface under the belt that is adjustable. I am a 3d printer junky and I am planning the pick one of these up. What I am concerned with is a reusable surface. I would guess the belt is a pain to change. Can it be coated with tape? Is there a bar or anything that holds the belt down just prior to the extruder area. Would think a spring tension bread roller just before the extruder would be needed. Thank you for the review.
4:40 as far as I know, the Ender 4 was an H-Bot printer, not CoreXY.
I believe the motion system on the CR-30 is. Based on the Ender 6.
Correct. Converting an Ender-4 to CoreXY is a common mod since H-bots have difficulties printing circles 🙂
Thanks for the corrections, guys. I haven't ever used one.
Is it possible to get ur settings? I am having some issues like u did. Thanks.
Off-topic, but I wonder why the ender 4 didn't take off?, like you can't find it anywhere these days...It also legit looks really cool.
good question
The ender 4 is actually a h-bot style printer not a corexy. The ender 5 is similar to the ender 4 but much more popular instead of the ender 4
@@rudranakade Yeah,I have an ender 5,it seems much more bland than the ender 4
There will be Ender 6 for corexy, comes with stock enclosure probably. That would be interesting. I have just built a new Sapphire Plus’s next revision beta model, will try fitting some acrylic to make it Ender-6ish on a budget.
@@arthurmorgan8966 Cool!,besides,I could probably just modify my ender 5 for core xy and an enclosure without getting the ender 6.
Would it be better if the entire device was angled at 45 degrees so the extruder points parallel to the gravity vector but still can print continuously?
As a customer, I do not see why the retail price of this machine is supposed to be three or four times the price of an Ender 3/5. As you pointed out, all materials (except for the belt) are parts carried over - including the old V-slot rollers, cheap hotend etc.
Admittedly, the belt mechanism is more complex than an Ender 3, and the adaptation of firmware and Cura both certainly cost some good effort and money. But for me, Creality stands for cheap printers - in the literal sense. If the price for this machine would be half of what they suggest now, I would consider taking a closer look. But if they insist on calling up Prusa-level prices, I would expect them to deliver Prusa-like quality - I. e. responsive 24/7 customer service, high quality brand bearings/linear rails/timing belts etc. - and especially a machine that works and procuces perfect quality prints out of the box, without any fiddling and tweaking, as demonstrated by you here.
Very much a niche product. If you need the capabilities it is very promising.
Thx, I have a lot to think about :)
Is there an updated printer that can do this these days that you would recommend? I'd love to print parts I print often but they're decor so quality is still a factor I need to keep a priority.
The plastic film removal is the most important feature lol
Next week I will do a 6 day print on my ender 5 plus, don’t need any fancy ways to monitor it as I’ll be home for most of the process
Wondering if I'm ever going to get mine I bought in the kickstarter.
Honestly, this is not for me, i saw too many issues, too many potencial problems...
Not reliable at all
Same - currently it's more trouble than the ability to sequential/long print is worth for me. Might look into the open source White Knight at some point though
great review, thanx for a lot of info. but how about flexible material?
Hello Michael! Need some help! I'm looking for a way to accurately adjust the steps/mm for dimensional accuracy on my CR-30. Unfortunately, all usual calculators are designed for a 90 degree cartesian printer. Being the Y and Z axis are NOT on a 90 degree orientation, the changes in steps/mm are not the same. Do you know of a calculator or a formula that will accurately translate the 45 degree angle? Thanks in advance!
Hi Michael, what about making a video on what mods have to be done to a printer to print filaments that need 280-300°C? I have a cr-10 that I love, but I would like to use filaments that need higher nozzle temperature.
You missed the 2017 Stratasys H2000 infinite FDM printer. Though it lays layers completely sideways, not at an angle.
It’s Kickstarter. No way I am backing it.
I back 2 Kodama obsidians for about £500 3 years ago, delivery was meant to be before Xmas 2017.
I got nothing.
I backed the the Creality CR6 thinking well this creality it’ll be different and it was.
I got a printer.
I’ve had it 2 months or maybe a bit more and have not got a useable print off it. Creality support has been very poor. Not withstanding the faulty switch that perhaps could have started a fire I have replaced the extruder and the mainboard and the dead hotend fan all at my own cost because creality support is so poor, there’s other issues some are having as well.
You mention buying a printer both in the video and in your title.
You are not buying anything Michael. You know that.
You are backing it on Kickstarter.
If you buy something you have legal rights and can return it under your countries consumer laws.
You have no such rights under Kickstarter as I am sure you are aware indeed you even mention it at the end of the video.
You cannot buy this printer so you talking about buying it and using buying in your title is to me at least a bit misleading.
You know what Kickstarter is, you are probably aware of the CR6E issues, I’m sure you know of others that have failed talking of buying this printer is misleading as if you order one now you are not buying one.
You are throwing yourself at the mercy of creality and whatever support they may or may not give you and have no rights. You give them up on Kickstarter.
Sorry Michael love the channel and I know I’m repeating myself but you really should not be using Kickstarter and buying together.
It’s not for me by the way, all valid points on the video and a review apart from the buying bit.
If I buy something I want some legal protection so if I really wanted this I would wait and buy a production unit where I would have consumer/purchasing rights.
Yes it’s meant to be more expensive but in my opinion it’s worth the extra.
Plus in the case of the CR6E when the retail units came out they were so discounted they were the same price as the backers paid. This may be entirely different I don’t know.
If Naomi herself could fix every single printer herself, as I know she would if she could then great but this is impossible.
Apologies for the rant but people maybe do not know what they are doing, you say buy and mention Kickstarter and they think it’s a shop.
It’s not.
We both know it’s not and we both know the difference between backing and buying a printer but not everyone does.
Oh and I do know why this is on Kickstarter as Naomi commented to me elsewhere, she wants this to be open source and said she came to an agreement with creality that if she raised a certain figure they would make it open source so best of luck to her.
Thanks for your feedback. I agree that Kickstarter is a risk and I have a warning in any video about Kickstarter products that they are risk, including this one. The use of 'buy' in the title and video is not intended to misrepresent. I used as a way of future proofing since eventually this won't be on Kickstarter and will be for sale in a normal way.
For the record the CR-6 SE I tested was the best out of box printer experience I've ever had. Better than Prusas or anything else. The lesson there for me is beware of stretch goals that potentially add new features that haven't been tested prior to the campaign.
Michael I thought that might be your intention but if someone comes along not knowing what Kickstarter is and sees your video he or she hears you say buy they think they are buying it.
I brought this up with another RUclipsr who did not mention buy but did mention back and Kickstarter. I told him that because he said nothing about Kickstarter he could mislead people and I thought he had an obligation to make it clearer.
I did not like the answer I got, he said if people were spending hundreds of pounds on something it was their responsibility to do their homework before they spent their money.
While I agree in principle I don’t think it’s right that he mentioned nothing about the risks and it’s not a shop.
Loved his channel but I do feel strongly about this so unfollowed him.
Some may think that’s childish, I will definitely miss his videos and reviews but I do strongly feel it should be stressed that there are risks.
I have a lot of printers, well 8 that’s a few. Four creality ones all pretty good but my CR6E is junk, too many issues. Your printer was obviously better built.
Joel’s printer wasn’t that great either I recall think his board sparked and died. I will get it going but have a bigtreetech board for it, not buying another one of these creality boards.
Glad your printer is ok. Hope you changed the switch and I wouldn’t risk using the usb for a pi. But maybe yours is fine you can only review what you get.
Keep up the good work.
The “Buy” vs “Kickstarter” debate in the context of Creality is plain BS. Creality is a huge (multi million dollars or RMB) company and they made promises on the CR6 SE that they should have respected but they did not.
They have been lying and cheating and even put the printer on sale on Banggood or AliExpress at same price than the KS
What’s worse after all, is that the main selling point of the nozzle touching the bed to auto level is just stupid as the bed flexes when pushed from the top. Installing a BL touch on a cheaper printer is just a smarter concept.
Or do as I did... buy a Prusa and resell your CR6
I cannot in all good conscience sell my CR6E, I would not even give it away as it stands.
Perhaps I am a bit paranoid but I do not think it is safe and would not trust it to run unattended. Not that I have been able to as I’m still trying to fix it.
There was the issue with the switch now the motherboard and no after sales support.
I didn’t buy it, I backed it.
This belt printer is not fit me it’s bringing too many variables into a successful print but I can see for a small number of people this being an incredible printer.
Will the Kickstarter price be the same as the final retail price? Quite possibly so you save nothing.
Will there be build issues and problems with parts? Yes.
Will you be able to get the issues sorted with support from Creality as it’s a Kickstarter?
No probably not.
Really really really want this? Is this useful to you? Then wait for the retail one and keep all your rights so you can get proper help and if they don’t fix it return it to the retailer as allowed under the law for a full refund.
No rights on Kickstarter oh and if you think but if I back it I will get it first! No. Not even that. Some backers got their printers early but some were still awaiting after the retail units were in the shops. A minority but I’m still not 100% certain everyone has their printer.
Would adding a second heater at a lower temperature after the first help with adhesion and allow a more gradual cooling so parts are less likely to dislodge?
Hi Micheal, have you tried printing TPU on this machine? I'm looking for a large bed machine for 3D printed fabric projects and shopping around :)
What print speeds did you use with the larger 0.8mm nozzle and 0.4mm layer height? I just got this printer and it was painfully slow with the 0.4mm nozzle so looking to improve overall speed. thanks
I really like the idea but to me something like this has to have support for multiple rolls of filament so you can auto switch while printing. This thing is going to suck up a roll of filament in no time. Other than that just little nitpicks here and there like knobs to tension the belt rather than hex screws/bolts and an extended roller set that would have legs that could be adjusted and attached to the printer to allow the longer items to feed off without hanging in mid-air. I know you can do this yourself but it just seems like it would be a great accessory Creality could offer. Really is not a bad price at all, even at $1000. Next up, resin printing on a belt LOL
Kickstarter - I do NOT think companies like Creality should be using that system. If Miss (or Mrs) Wu would be doing this on her own then it would be a viable way to get funding to get a project going (which is what kickstarter was supposed to be for in the first place) but with the backing of Creality the only reason for kickstarter is so they could take a loss without hurting their own pockets and of course, free advertising. People hate me for my opinions....it's ok but I won't stop saying what I believe to be true ;)
Great video as always man!
They sell a roller extention for $100usd. The bed belt tensioner bolts are meant to be adjusted very rarely. Do it once correctly and not need to again. Having knobs would be more of a liability than anything and they are not needed anyway.
I think I'll do the 4 ft bed conversion for an Ender 3.
Tested and inexpensive conversion.
I would stick with the iFactory3D One. It simply does have the better tech on it. But nice to see this technology coming to the market!
Lotta good tips and tricks
Hey, thanks for the great video! Would you be able/willing to share your slicing profile? I've tried some for idea maker but they all start printing on the very top of the y axis mid air and I've tried playing around with my Cura profile but I am not getting there :(
I wonder if a PEI sheet would be flexible enough to work on the belt. The repeated flexing might be an issue though.
should i back this or order a prusa?
I currently have a form 3, but want to start doing small production runs of product cases.
Im interest in this for its continious printing capability, but would rather have a printer that is more reliable, better quality, and is capable of more types of geometry.
You could fit it with a sprayer system that periodically self-sprays the belt with hairspray.
Will be great to get a print head on a robotic arm... no more overhangs :)