Or you can just use a $30 propane torch and fittings that cost half the price. The expensive tool and fittings make sense if you’re doing emergency repairs all the time where the time is more important than the money, or working with lines that are not shut off and need to stop the water fast, but for day to day, I don’t know who would waste the money on copper for a Pex fitting.
@@johngaltline9933Yes. If one is just a homeowner and having to solder in something is still cheaper than the manual tool. Once one is at home time isn't money. It's going to come out of your leisure time.
Being hydraulic doesn't limit it being cheap does. It could have 3 or 4 articulating sections and a short fat ram, fit into walls with an external hose and pump and still be less than $2500.
It’s for those of us who need/want to use a propress for a project/repair but will never really use it again after. I have no need for the M18 propress even tho I have all M18 stuff. I’ll never use it, I don’t do plumbing often.
I do commercial facilities work, this is the kinda thing I’d buy. Propress is useful enough for me to use, but not worth the 5-6 plumber service calls the M18 tool can pay for.
I have one of these are the are great. Mine was $125. That version is the older version and the newer version takes normal B press tools. It get it, the electric tool is way better. But for someone who requires a B press tool every 6 months I can’t justify the cost and renting the tool is annoying. For $125 the value is insane!!
I imagine this is not a tool meant for professionals like you. Sooner or later, alternatives to the very expensive tools of our respective trades are usually found. Thank you for testing this!
If you buy enough fittings the supplier will give you a propress tool. My company bought 5k in fittings and they gave us a m18 tool and a standard set of refrigeration jaws. They now have a loyal customer that will continue to buy fittings from them.
Been thinking about getting a manual press tool. Its not a bad price if it could do ALL fittings within it's size range. Between those limitations and the cost of propress vs sweat fittings themselves, I would much rather break out the torch that would work in 90% of use cases. That said, if I ran into a situation that i absolutely could not use open flame on, I guess I would be happy to have A press tool at my disposal even if its got limitations.
I learned about pex in 2006 when I started remodeling my house. Home Depot and Lowe's didn't even have it back then. I bought a giant crimper from a commercial plumbing store. Still have it, still sucks trying to crimp inside walls.
I bought the ibossad one off of Amazon for a personal home remodel. It was able to do 1/2 and 3/4 tees. So far, a year later, none of my fittings are leaking.
i have that exact one only with Th profile jaws for multilayer tube. everything else in its price class is manual, without a swivel head, so manual hydraulic is a big improvement. yes an electric scissor-type one would be nice, but they start at €800ish so for the 20 connections i make a year i can't justify the expense.
It’s a great tool to use in small jobs , not a substitute for the real thing but few fittings it’s a go . I use it if I need to kill a faucet or something quick to continue the demolition or the project if my plumber can’t make it .
Dude my grandpa does this even if it doesn't perform like soldering .... It saves you from smelling those fumes my grandpa is 80 yrs old still working and when those fumes hit him he can't breathe .... Safety 1st bro stay safe
I can verify because I bought this tool to redo a heating system and that knuckle is very large. I also had quite a few that didn't get good crimps so I had to go back with a soldering torch. If it was on straight pipe and I could do it away from the wall this actually worked pretty good
For someone starting out this actually would be great to have. After a few jobs you could buy a legit pro press. This could atleast get you there. Might not fit in walls but there are other applications it could be used for outside of walls
Back in the day we used to blow a pipe and go to this place called B&E Hardware. If you bought the little crimp connectors, they would offer you to borrow their crimpers.. Didn't have to leave an ID or collaterals.. I miss those times.
I mean if they could make one of those even slightly more decent, I could see a pretty good market just for transitioning from copper to pex in a remodel without solder
Some unsolicited advice, be very careful when pressure testing with air. It can be very explosive, most pressure test are done with liquid, that way, if it starts rupturing, it will squirt liquid and release all its energy with not explosive reaction.
No shit it's going to crimp and not leak. It's not about that metric, it's about how much does it cost per crimp (including time) multiplied by the number of times you can use it a day vs other crimp tools.
I will pump all day thinking about the money i saved , but i don't do this for a living, so thanks for the video buddy, keep up the awesome work 👏 💪 👍 💯
I bought a wire terminal crimper that works just about the same off Amazon when I put an inverter in my work van, I suppose the concept is sound but damn that sounds like a pain in the ass trying to pump that thing to crimp the fittings in a wall or at in any other awkward spot
Before my company demanded…. everybody go to propress… (which we had to pay for are own tools…. $2000 a tool…) I rebelled and bought a manual one for 100 bucks using it a handful of times I never had a single leak…. I eventually bought Milwaukee propress realizing how much easier it was than soldering😂 but the manual one served its purpose for over two years….
I tried one of these and every single joint I made ended up leaking after a few weeks because it doesn't crimp the joints correctly (they looked rough just like the ones you demonstrated).
I have the same tool and i did my whole house with it without a leak. you need to make sure the fitting sits nice in the press and also make sure that the press is fully closed. it still takes a lot of force even being hydraulic. also make sure you use the correct profile for the fitting. Last tip: when using bigger profiles and fittings put a bit petroleum gel on the profile it helps.
The practicality is that it's easier to carry than an oxyfuel setup. There's also 0 risk of fire or a need for ventilation. It's for the old guys who don't want to spend that $2,500 to convert to pro press. It's also for the guys who get paid by the hour.
Not the state the obvious, but that is a crimping tool for wire terminals and ferrules. It might work in a pinch for a regular DIY homeowner, but not for commercial use in this case.
I think the reason it’s creasing is because it’s pressing from one direction with an opposing “arbor” or “anvil” while the rigid is pressing from all sides. Regardless, if i don’t have the money for the rigid I’m gonna sweat
Use this tool with caution as I've had to fix leaks from someone using one before because it doesn't compress the copper properly. I don't do pro press (ol solder or pex for me), although I see the value in them. My biggest concern with pro press is the rubber washer breaking down over time as with shark bites. Although the upside compared to shark bites is they don't spin around freely
It's all in the dies and the hand tool's OEM is not going to go to lengths to tool them with precision like the powered system that's built for professionals.
To all the plumbers out there taking bad about crimping tools. Crimping/press fittings have been used in industrial applications for about 10 years now. Finally making its way down to residential plumbing
I think it works just like a battery operational one it’s sad that you have to do it manual very matching working with that thing under a house so let’s stay with the battery one
I tried using a press Tool without hydraulics. After 4 presses on 28mm copper i got into my car and rent a battery operated press. Not worth the hassle.
When the fittings copper has been pinched and sticks up from the fitting, doesn’t this compromise the wall thickness around the internal rubber o ring?
$2500 difference lol. I felt that. Most jobs, to do them right, need a specialty tool or 4.
Or you can just use a $30 propane torch and fittings that cost half the price.
The expensive tool and fittings make sense if you’re doing emergency repairs all the time where the time is more important than the money, or working with lines that are not shut off and need to stop the water fast, but for day to day, I don’t know who would waste the money on copper for a Pex fitting.
@@johngaltline9933 time is more expensive than fittings. No fire watch, less skill needed and easier to use.
This is only true for commercial work
@@Megabear90 pretty sure I covered that in my reply, my dude.
@@johngaltline9933I think his point was that in every job time is money. Not just emergencies
@@johngaltline9933Yes. If one is just a homeowner and having to solder in something is still cheaper than the manual tool. Once one is at home time isn't money. It's going to come out of your leisure time.
Why did he have to throw your mom in there like that 😂😂😂😂
the first crimp came out wrong lol
solution: rotate before completing crimp
But is he wrong though???
😂😂😂
In my day we just used bamboo sticks and straw
hey boy
Why you still using bamboo and straw!
Hey boy?
Hey boy
Oh, I remember when folks would just cut a tree to 25', hollow it out and use the branches for plumbing. Maybe just an area difference tho 😊
Being hydraulic doesn't limit it being cheap does. It could have 3 or 4 articulating sections and a short fat ram, fit into walls with an external hose and pump and still be less than $2500.
And it wouldn't be flopping around while pumping it.
I want someone to make that
I was thinking something like this. Hydraulic with a remote ram/pump setup would be sweet.
Hey boy, back in my day, the only tools we had were cast iron and our bare hands. You just bought a fancy $110 doorstop
He didn't buy it though
It’s for those of us who need/want to use a propress for a project/repair but will never really use it again after. I have no need for the M18 propress even tho I have all M18 stuff. I’ll never use it, I don’t do plumbing often.
I do commercial facilities work, this is the kinda thing I’d buy. Propress is useful enough for me to use, but not worth the 5-6 plumber service calls the M18 tool can pay for.
I have one of these are the are great.
Mine was $125.
That version is the older version and the newer version takes normal B press tools. It get it, the electric tool is way better. But for someone who requires a B press tool every 6 months I can’t justify the cost and renting the tool is annoying. For $125 the value is insane!!
Love that you threw a test on it. I’ve done 1, seen a few, and written plenty of letters for them for pipeline.
That's actually pretty sweet, definitely seems like a decent option for someone that's just starting out or can't afford an electric press tool!
I imagine this is not a tool meant for professionals like you. Sooner or later, alternatives to the very expensive tools of our respective trades are usually found. Thank you for testing this!
Thanks, man. After watching your stuff I want the option to press fittings and I'm cheap, soooooo...yeah, appreciate it
Eeyyyy bbbooiiii, your mother looks a little rough, but... 😂 had me rolling
IM DEAD 😂
lol the voices gets me rollin’ each and every time 😂
If you buy enough fittings the supplier will give you a propress tool. My company bought 5k in fittings and they gave us a m18 tool and a standard set of refrigeration jaws. They now have a loyal customer that will continue to buy fittings from them.
I had to return mine, bunch of reviews recently show that they started to leak after a few months
THAT SUCKS!!!
That tool does appear to be a piece of crap by the way I watch all your videos they're awesome man thank you for putting them up
Thanks for watching!
@@replumbI just tried it, and do you know how to know when it's done crimping?
Been thinking about getting a manual press tool. Its not a bad price if it could do ALL fittings within it's size range. Between those limitations and the cost of propress vs sweat fittings themselves, I would much rather break out the torch that would work in 90% of use cases. That said, if I ran into a situation that i absolutely could not use open flame on, I guess I would be happy to have A press tool at my disposal even if its got limitations.
It's a homeowner grade tool for the diyers
Exactly! If I was doing a small job and wanted to use crimp fittings, that would be a great option (unless I could rent the big boy from Home Depot!)
@@dperreno boss told me they're like 2k. I think if I only have to redo one connection a manual would be ok for me to purchase
I was wondering where you went. RUclips must have unsubscribed me. Glad to see ya back
I just picked up a working m12 propress for $300 I’m so happy about it, gonna only use it on my side jobs because I have one at my full time job.
We didn’t have all these fancy tools back then when I was plumbing. we soldered.
I learned about pex in 2006 when I started remodeling my house. Home Depot and Lowe's didn't even have it back then. I bought a giant crimper from a commercial plumbing store. Still have it, still sucks trying to crimp inside walls.
Portability in tight spaces is king in your trade
I bought the ibossad one off of Amazon for a personal home remodel. It was able to do 1/2 and 3/4 tees. So far, a year later, none of my fittings are leaking.
much better than when they came out. they used tobe octagon. it looked silly having round fittings and pipe but octagon crimps
He can't resist the "Hey boy.."
i have that exact one only with Th profile jaws for multilayer tube. everything else in its price class is manual, without a swivel head, so manual hydraulic is a big improvement. yes an electric scissor-type one would be nice, but they start at €800ish so for the 20 connections i make a year i can't justify the expense.
It’s a great tool to use in small jobs , not a substitute for the real thing but few fittings it’s a go . I use it if I need to kill a faucet or something quick to continue the demolition or the project if my plumber can’t make it .
Dude my grandpa does this even if it doesn't perform like soldering .... It saves you from smelling those fumes my grandpa is 80 yrs old still working and when those fumes hit him he can't breathe .... Safety 1st bro stay safe
Sounds like he formed an allergic reaction from it. Otherwise ole boys lungs are shot.
I can verify because I bought this tool to redo a heating system and that knuckle is very large. I also had quite a few that didn't get good crimps so I had to go back with a soldering torch. If it was on straight pipe and I could do it away from the wall this actually worked pretty good
Cheaper doesn't mean it's better. Sometimes it's worth getting the right tool for the job.
I have a propress and still choose to solder 80% of the time
For someone starting out this actually would be great to have. After a few jobs you could buy a legit pro press. This could atleast get you there. Might not fit in walls but there are other applications it could be used for outside of walls
When you do you could go back n fix the one's that start leaking.....lol
Back in the day we used to blow a pipe and go to this place called B&E Hardware. If you bought the little crimp connectors, they would offer you to borrow their crimpers.. Didn't have to leave an ID or collaterals..
I miss those times.
I mean if they could make one of those even slightly more decent, I could see a pretty good market just for transitioning from copper to pex in a remodel without solder
Some unsolicited advice, be very careful when pressure testing with air. It can be very explosive, most pressure test are done with liquid, that way, if it starts rupturing, it will squirt liquid and release all its energy with not explosive reaction.
Good advice!
No shit it's going to crimp and not leak. It's not about that metric, it's about how much does it cost per crimp (including time) multiplied by the number of times you can use it a day vs other crimp tools.
it's a homeowner tool compared to a professional plumbing tool.....
shop work. I'll prep things like 6" risers with caps by the dozen. saves time and everything else in a crawl.
as a electrician this is sometyhing id buy for a diy. i resorted to pex instead though. reminds me of romex lol
I will pump all day thinking about the money i saved , but i don't do this for a living, so thanks for the video buddy, keep up the awesome work 👏 💪 👍 💯
I bought a wire terminal crimper that works just about the same off Amazon when I put an inverter in my work van, I suppose the concept is sound but damn that sounds like a pain in the ass trying to pump that thing to crimp the fittings in a wall or at in any other awkward spot
I also am a plumber really. Enjoy your videos keep up the good work
It’s a nice option for new construction if you’re a small business, while the wall is still in framing
Vevor is love Vevor is life 😎
Hey boi back in my day we didn’t have any of these fancy tools!!
Before my company demanded…. everybody go to propress… (which we had to pay for are own tools…. $2000 a tool…) I rebelled and bought a manual one for 100 bucks using it a handful of times I never had a single leak…. I eventually bought Milwaukee propress realizing how much easier it was than soldering😂 but the manual one served its purpose for over two years….
Good morning! Enjoy your day!
I tried one of these and every single joint I made ended up leaking after a few weeks because it doesn't crimp the joints correctly (they looked rough just like the ones you demonstrated).
You know it can still be difficult when he's using a vise to hold the tool steady to get a good position on the tool and lining up all the parts.
I have the same tool and i did my whole house with it without a leak. you need to make sure the fitting sits nice in the press and also make sure that the press is fully closed. it still takes a lot of force even being hydraulic. also make sure you use the correct profile for the fitting. Last tip: when using bigger profiles and fittings put a bit petroleum gel on the profile it helps.
For water heater installation it looks cool and worth the money
Well worth the price tag
We have one for high amperage battery cable terminals. Does a very good job
HEY BOY 👺 I used to clamp does fits with my teeth and still have half of them!!
😂
Please do one for the Vevor pro press tool. It’s $1K Vs rigid/milwaukee/de Walt at $4k.
Hey Boy, back in the day we crimped black pipe with our left hand while threading the ends with the fingernails of the other hand!
"Hey boy, your mother looks a little rough" had me rolling 😂
I’m glad you did this test I was about to waste 200 bucks lol
The practicality is that it's easier to carry than an oxyfuel setup. There's also 0 risk of fire or a need for ventilation. It's for the old guys who don't want to spend that $2,500 to convert to pro press. It's also for the guys who get paid by the hour.
Remember the old pex A pump up manual crimpers that what it reminds me of your not getting under sink comfy with it
It is pretty bulky for the job. I like the manual pex expansion tool.
Hey boy, back in my day we just crimped the pipe with our hands
You know what works every time, makes nice joints, won't ever leak, and costs way less than $2500? A torch and solder. Try it some time
Press fittings are the standard in the industry now. Trade in your dinosaur!
The amount of time saved makes it worth.
That thing is $2500?! God damn lol
Back in my day we use to press in the snow ❄️ ⛄️ you could feel the wind in the crack.
Not the state the obvious, but that is a crimping tool for wire terminals and ferrules. It might work in a pinch for a regular DIY homeowner, but not for commercial use in this case.
I think the reason it’s creasing is because it’s pressing from one direction with an opposing “arbor” or “anvil” while the rigid is pressing from all sides. Regardless, if i don’t have the money for the rigid I’m gonna sweat
Haha hey boy voice went to the yo mama ! Level 😯😯 great video as usual thanks 😮😮
If you want a good one thats more capable try the Ibosad HT1950, mine came with dyes for ss sleave (veiga pureflow) pex fittings too.
Use this tool with caution as I've had to fix leaks from someone using one before because it doesn't compress the copper properly.
I don't do pro press (ol solder or pex for me), although I see the value in them.
My biggest concern with pro press is the rubber washer breaking down over time as with shark bites.
Although the upside compared to shark bites is they don't spin around freely
I heard they are still water tight without the o ring...i could be wrong though
Found one for 158 that will do tees and appears to fit in wall csvities maybe slightly better because of jaw design. ISOBAD is the name.
It's all in the dies and the hand tool's OEM is not going to go to lengths to tool them with precision like the powered system that's built for professionals.
The hydronic press is what we use around natural gas to avoid a 7 day shut down and hot work permits
This one was interesting!
"ahhh, ruff, just the way your mother likes it, trebek!"
To all the plumbers out there taking bad about crimping tools. Crimping/press fittings have been used in industrial applications for about 10 years now. Finally making its way down to residential plumbing
Actually, a lot longer than 10 years
It might come in handy....in a .........Pinch 😉 🤣 thank you thank you 🤝🤝
Do I see FOUR press tools hot dam
It works good but to remove does fitting copper it's a problem
thanks again!! :)
Hey boy, I didn't know Peter from @PipeDoctor had his own channel.
What's the most important thing? Practicality or if it works?
I think it works just like a battery operational one it’s sad that you have to do it manual very matching working with that thing under a house so let’s stay with the battery one
If you’re starting out, I don’t see why not. After a couple jobs with it you’ll be able to afford a nice electric model
so is that the typical PSI for plumbing? why that specific PSI is what I am wondering.
As a plumber what do you reccomend for pipe wrench for tight spaces or something else for removing threaded fittings
Yeah I'll stick to soldering
Dam
That's an expensive test
Any thoughts on Ferguson FNW fittings as compared to the veiaga fittings?
If it ain't Milwahhhkee I ont want it!
I STRONGLY recommend everyone learn how to solder
Solder doesn't leak. Period.😉. New≠Better
I tried using a press Tool without hydraulics. After 4 presses on 28mm copper i got into my car and rent a battery operated press. Not worth the hassle.
Bawk
My cousin clucky got her neck stuck on one of those before Thanksgiving
Bawk
For 110, you can get the automatic set of two.
ARE YOU GOING TO PURCHASE ONE MATE 😊😊😊
IF YOU HAVE A GOOD COPPER
AND A GOOD QUALITY SEAL GASKET MATERIAL
IT WILL WORK FOR LONG YEAR'S. !!!!
When the fittings copper has been pinched and sticks up from the fitting, doesn’t this compromise the wall thickness around the internal rubber o ring?
I feel like soldering is cheaper / easier for a beginner diy
I like propress but realistically all propress fittings look a “little rough.”
Just drag Mom into the fracas... dang! 🤶🏻