Ape is Enough. Beneath the Escape from the Conquest of the Battle for The Planet of the Apes.
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Stam Fine Reviews looks at the 4 feature film sequels to the 1968 film The Planet of the Apes.
Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
Saw another Astronaut, Brent turn up looking for Taylor and stumbled into the middle of a war between the Apes and a human outpost worshipping an atomic bomb.
Escape from the Planet of the Apes(1971)
Cornelius (Roddy McDowall) and Zira (Kim Hunter) have travelled back to Earth in the early 70's but a soap opera star is worried that Apes will one day take over.
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
Caesar (also Roddy McDowall) leads an Ape revolution in the 1990's.
Battle For The Planet of the Apes (1973)
After a Nuclear War, there's one last battle between some mutated humans and the Apes.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:30 Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)
8:01 Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)
14:39 Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)
18:16 Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973) 
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Dude, having spent my entire life as a millenial explaining to my peers that the original Planet of the Apes has four sequels, I'm glad that other people have had the same ordeal, based on some of the comments.
Same here...they get shat on so much.
"Andy Serkis is great in the first film"........😩
You mean the original from 2001? Just kidding. I visited the cinema back in 2001 and there was a display of the "new" planet of the apes movie. My dad "Oh another one?", me "What is about about?", dad "Well, the apes overtook the leadership." Uhuh, great sum up dad.
I hear ya. It's frustrating having to explain shit to Millenials all the time.
@@asnierkishcowboy Well, in all honesty, when we take the first two of the original sets, ignore the rest, instead treat the new trilogy as the prequels to the 1968 ... we're left with four movies that have nowhere to go.
The extended (unrated) version of Conquest is absolutely incredible. The extended ending is chilling.
No lie about that
Conquest is one of the best just for Caesar's final speech. "Where there is fire,there is smoke"
In a series that is alternately campy & bleak, _Escape_ is both the campiest entry of the series & the most soul-crushingly dark.
It is. Both. I found this installment extremely depressing as well.
I always assumed that in Escape, the reason Cornelius & Zira knew so much about Ape history was because -- since we already learned that Dr. Zaius knew that Humans were the dominant culture before wiping themselves out -- there must've been some documented record that was passed down through the title holder of Minister of Science and/or Chief Defender of the Faith. They might've asked him to share their knowledge with them in exchange for keeping quiet about their discoveries in the cave. Remember, Zaius originally said they were going to be put on trial for heresy, but when we see them again they're still free. So a deal must've been cut at some point between the first two films. But that's just my theory.
I've found it's best enjoyed with a generous supply of grape juice plus.
@@Viking_Luchador Great theory that I hadn't considered... because one thing I was most bothered by in 'Escape', was how Cornelius had the knowledge and was able to explain the rise of the Apes following the dog and cat plague. During, and still at the end of the original film, Cornelius didn't know how the rise had happened, he only discovered that man was there before the apes, ruling earth.
Given your theory, Zaius most likely let Cornelius and Zira in on the full, true history just prior to Zaius' embarking with Ursus into the Forbidden Zone, and entrusting those two with continuing their society had Zaius not returned.
I love the entire series, except for 'Battle'; what a horrible movie. Lol. The original film is the absolute best and a great movie in any genre; 'Beneath' is still good, but has a few holes; 'Escape' is too glib for me for the majority of it until it turns dark and insidious later in the story; 'Conquest' is entertaining, though not very good; and 'Battle' is just a cheap mess. It's typical of Hollywood to reduce the budget for each sequel and give the director, cast and crew less and less to work with but still expecting the profits to roll in. Each film was a smaller budget and, I forgot who directed 'Conquest' and 'Battle' but, I remember reading the directors of each (maybe same guy) saying that because the budget and cast were small, they filmed the action scenes with a much closer zoom in to hide the fact that there were only a dozen or so people in the scenes. HA!
Last thought: Aside from the shock value for cinematic effect, why did the mutants in 'Beneath' need to wear masks to hide their true appearance when they were all aware of what they looked like, lived alone, together, underground and no interaction with the mute surface humans, or the apes... other than the few scouts they captured and, of course, certainly killed after interrogation.
@@Viking_Luchador For me it was just plot convenience. I didn't mind it - loved the movie.
I met Linda Harrison, aka Nova, at a sci-fi convention about 20 years ago. She was still a dream.
She is truly one of my favorite of the classically beautiful women. So awesome you got to meet her.
She was an incredible babe in her day. She was very nice looking still when she was in a cameo role in the Mark Wahlberg/Tim Burton remake.
She died
@@chucky7324 Quit lying.
BtPotA is my favorite. Mutated, psychic humans worshipping a gold plated nuclear bomb in the forbidden zone is just way too cool of a concept. It over shadows any deficiencies.
Agree love the first 2 …can’t stand the rest
@@kevinkaple3615 Same. Actually think Beneath is pretty cool.
Dude, it took me longer to read your abbreviation than it would've had you simply spelled it out
I wonder if this was also an homage to A Canticle for Leibowitz. They don’t worship the bomb in that but there seems to be post nuclear war scripture about fallout in it. Sounded a bit on the nose.
Same here. I seem to watch Beneath pota more than the other movies! Its not a masterpiece but its cool to see a destroyed NY and an ape army marching to battle!
Used to love coming home on a Saturday afternoon to watch the 'Planet of The Apes' tv show. That, Space 1999, The Six MIllion Dollar Man and Dukes of Hazzard to name a view made Saturdays. Happy Days!
I ran away from home once in the 70s. I took a backpack with a blanket, a couple of apples....and all my Planet of the Apes tv show bubblegum cards.
@@guyjperson Survival essentials
Quality trash is good stuff.
Ahh, the memories.
I loved Friday nights! New episode of Dukes, Dallas then bed time.
I've always been fond of Beneath and find the skinless mutants extremely disturbing- especially in that interogation scene.
Although the revelation of the mutants, as they remove their masks in "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" , hardly now raises an eyebrow, I'm of an age to have seen the film on it's release and the audience started screaming in horror! Ah, simpler times (is it only me or does it sound like the actor taking McDowell's place as Cornelius, was in fact voice dubbed by McDowell - it sounds suspiciously like him). Great video of a flawed, but fascinating series. Michael - South Africa.
@@thelookuplookdown It depends on whose eyebrows you're talking about! :-)
That was David Watson's own voice; he really was a brilliant recast; I certainly never suspected it the first time I watched the movie. Of course, Roddy was in the movie's prologue as well.
@@MaskedMan66 Thank you for the info...
@@thelookuplookdown You're welcome!
@@thelookuplookdown Yes, I saw it back in 1970 in a cinema too. The impressive underground labyrinth and mutants was really shocking and eerily atmospheric back then. I managed to see the movie again in 1974 as a re-release double bill with Conquest and both movies were re-classified as AA, which was for 14-years-old and above only in the UK.
My favourite was Beneath. It was the storyline that hooked me . I found it the most interesting to see the remnants of humanity and how they mutated . I found it a fitting end .
Yeah I gotta disagree with the reviewer here. Beneath is the best of the sequels. It really expands on what the first movie set up, and the little bit we get of Heston is great. The mutants, Zeus being less sure of himself, the doomsday bomb. All great. Escape is fun, but not nearly as good.
Unfortunately, the studio pulled way back on the mutants' mutations and look.
I love the first 2… they blew up the planet..story is over
Yes... I'm sorry, but I just found the premise for 'Escape' too preposterous: a civilization that couldn't even get their heads around a paper aeroplane in the first film can now locate a starship at the bottom of the sea, salvage it, repair it, make it airtight, fly it, etc ..
@@odetteswann7694 Build a rocket to put it on, all within the time they meet the guy they mistake for Bright Eyes and the moment Bright Eyes nukes the planet.
Back in the late '70s and early '80s, there was a Planet of the Apes movie on TV just about every weekend. I loved them. I also remember watching the live-action TV show, reading the comic books, and playing with the action figures!
Yes, the Virdon/Burke/Galen characters were really well done.
Cornelius to Brent: "If you are captured by gorillas, you mustn't speak!"
Brent: "What the hell would i have to say to a gorilla??"
Something along the lines of “Don’t capture me”?
As a result of this video I've recently rewatched movies 3,4 & 5 in the Planet of the Apes franchise for the first time since the early 80s. Sequels today are often carbon copies of the original, sometimes even resetting some resolution from the first movie. In contrast each Planet of the Apes sequel is quite distinct. I think this has something to do with their success.
The ending of Escape From The Planet Of The Apes was probably the most traumatic media experience I think I experienced as a child when I saw it for the first time sometime in the late 70's on tv
Oh heavens, yes!! I was 7 or 8 when I saw it, and I absolutely loved Cornelius and Zira! To see them shot down like that, I was absolutely inconsolable.
They're all bleak endings. It's quite unique to have a popular sci-fi action franchise in which every film ends with the heroes effectively losing and everything looking more grim and hopeless than the last time!
Get this: _I had it as a comic book and record set (tragic ending and all)!_ Something I imagine they wouldn't make for kids today. So glad I grew when I did. 😏
I cried. Rivers
Yep. Scarred for life
Whenever I watch Conquest, I always watch the original cut that has the darker ending. It feels much more natural.
The Mothers of America - an activist group had them change a few things in the movie. There was a bit more blood in the unadulterated version. The original Battle was supposed to be gruesome also, but they rewrote the whole thing..
That’s because it follows through on how the original movie’s ape-human relationship came to be. But nope, some crybabies can’t handle that, and forced the people who was working on this movie to write that Messiah-chimp nonsense.
I actually like Battle for the Planet of the Apes, expecially the relationship between Caesar and Virgil, but, whenever I watch it, it feels like I am watching a pilot to a television series and not a motion picture.
Spot on description.
now that ya mention it, why on earth wasnt Battle the set up for the tv show?
@@davidlow862
I was never quite clear when the TV show is set; don't you think it is some time after Battle but still many generations before the first film?
@@markpostgate2551 something like that, yes indeed.
for me, if I put aside the structural issues, the commentary and ideas that Battle puts forth are personally my favourite of the series. I wouldn't put the film above Conquest and Escape but I wouldn't put it under Beneath.
I was 9 y.o. when the first film came out. The culture was awestruck! In the zeitgeist, we had no strong objections to the sequels, although after the 5th film, everyone kind of recognized the storyline had nowhere else to advance. "Escape" was definitely the best of the sequels but we enjoyed them all.
'Battle' is a slog to get through but the dialog between Caesar and Virgil is really good. You could feel a genuine friendship between Roddy McDowall and Paul Williams.
The Apes sequels are mostly OK, but my favourite was always Escape, a true "fish out of water" story concerning everyone's favourite ape couple, Cornelius and Zira.
The first sci-fi/fantasy film franchise. Watched them over and over again on the late movies on local TV.
Saw all these at the small theatre my late dad managed back in the 70's..those Saturday matinees will always one of the fondest memories of my younger years.
Still think Conquest is the best of the sequels, with Escape a close second. I loved the character development in these two films. Escape is the most accessible of the films, and I enjoyed the comedy (although they didn't do a good job linking to the backstory of the first film).
As for Conquest, the political drama was fascinating. Don Murray (Governor Breck) said he translated his lines into German so he could get into his character -- and it worked; he's fantastic here. The new blurays include the original ending of Conquest (Caesar proclaiming the birth of the Planet of the Apes), which made me realize the theatrical ending (Caesar pleading for peace) was such a copout, but probably inevitable considering the times. My greatest fun with Conquest is the fact that they filmed the whole thing in Century City for that futuristic look, and, as an Angelino, I recognized every scene. Of course, they practically rebuilt the mall since then, and the only thing that's still recognizable is the bridge over Avenue of the Stars where they filmed the final battle.
Beneath was trying SO hard to be better than the first and failed miserably. But James Franciscus was no Charlton Heston (if that's a good thing) -- and Roddy McDowell was out because he was directing his first and only film, which ultimately got f*cked by AIP. It simply didn't work.
And Battle was just silly - it wanted to be a kid's movie and it had nothing that kept you interested except Roddy McDowell, and all of the character development from Conquest had gone out the window. True, fatherhood does that, but it was just disappointing after the more militant -- and fascinating -- Caesar in Conquest. Although John Huston as the Lawgiver was great, even if it was just an extended cameo, and Severn Darden is so good as a villain.
Oh, and I can't stand the new films. I really tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the originals are still the originals. Truthfully, Caesar is a more interesting character in the original films than in the new.
Fantastic. Some really great jokes, delivered with such a dry delivery: 'Like Beatlemania but with apes - though not the Monkees.' I've said it before but I'll say it again, Stam Fine, you're one of the cleverest, funniest internet satirists out there! Seriously well done.
I don't disagree with your assessment on a technical level, but Beneath is still my favourite of the sequels (followed closely by Conquest). First seeing Beneath as a kid, I was utterly fascinated by the idea of mutants worshipping an atomic bomb as their god. I also think they did a great job at creating the very eerie and haunting remains of New York City on such a small budget. Battle is definitely the worst of them, but it's still essential in bringing the series back around to where it started...almost, anyway. It's left open-ended as to whether or not a new timeline has been created that will differ from Zira and Cornelius' timeline, which I thought was a clever little twist. Anyway, great video, really enjoyed it!
Totally. I saw this sequel on TV in the early 90s when I was a kid. It scared and fascinated me that humans existed in secret underground. The psychic abilities and the worship of the bomb freaked me out.
I love all of the original apes movies. I like the newer ones (and the 2001 remake lol) but the first and second of the old movies are my favourites.
Loved the video though, funny and interesting✌️
It's interesting to note, just watching this summary, that the history laid out by Cornelius in Escape takes place over centuries but in Conquest it happens in decades. That would imply the presence of Cornelius and Zira has altered rather than merely ensure the timeline. I hadn't noticed that before: I had assumed it was a loop.
Beneath was great late night viewing at the time. That and the old gothic Vincent Price movies. Are they more sophisticated in movie making now? Sure. But the current movies don't stir a young person's imagination like these older movies.
I love the one where Cornelius and Zira escape to our time. It’s so much fun, I love how they become celebrities and go shopping. I kinda wish they made a sitcom out of it and they just lived happily ever after
However how did they get the spaceship out the lake and fixed lol
@@joeypullen9436 there’s a line about it, there was one other ape that came with them that didn’t survive so Cornelius just says like “oh that guy did it, he was some kind of genius and he figured it out” and then that genius ape is dead so he never has the explain how he did it. It’s like … just enjoy the show folks, don’t think too hard about it
@@haruruben The actor who played Milo (the "one other ape") got killed off earlier than planned because he had a bad allergic reaction to the ape makeup. Which is odd, they could have replaced him with a body double and had him do voiceover dubbing _a la_ Darth Vader 6 years later.
@@jb888888888 Sal Mineo was the Actor who played Doctor Milo. He came to a Tragic End in Real Life when he was Actually Murdered and his Case went Unsolved.
I´m glad that you didn´t rag on "Conquest", like I´ve seen many critics do. To me, it´s one of the most under rated movies of the 70´s and does a great job in diving into how cruel, we as people can become and how little in fact separates us from the brutality of our primal ancestors. It changes the way you see the first three movies too, knowing that this was what the original apes rebelled against and replaced, begging the question of which of the two is worse, when it comes down to it. If they´d left in all of the scenes, that were deemed too disturbing by the censors back then (and would have given it an R-rating, at the least), then it would have been even less clear. Considering how insanely fast these movies were made to cash in as much as possible on the "Ape Craze", while it lasted, it´s a remarkable bit of film making. Great video BTW. There´s not much interesting content on RUclips about the "Old Series", so it´s nice when we finally get some.
I had seen "Conquest" (and the other sequels), and then I came and went to work in a West LA high-rise. The building and the street out front all looked familiar in a deja-vu kind of way, and eventually it came to me: I was working in Ape Control! That actually made sense.
Nicely articulated. Although "Conquest" is personally my least favorite of the sequels, the next time I watch it I will view it with a different perspective. Thanks.
@@prometheusunbound7628 Thanks yourself! My least favorite is "Battle" out of the OG sequels.
Oh, "Conquest" is w/out a doubt, one of the most thought-provoking movies of its day. I know the financial situation Fox was in at that time, but if they actually had the balls to release the "R" cut, it'd get the love now that it deserves.
If you haven't, hunt down the blu-ray. It has a cut that restores the gore & kept the original ending. Breck getting his head bashed in is immensely cathartic....😝
it's a straw man movie, one of the first of many predecessors of the current crop of mainstream entertainment. It's CRT in film form.
Ever since I first saw this film in the early 80’s something has ALWAYS bothered me about Cornelius.
When you said it wasn’t Roddy Mcdowell my brain exploded.
40 years rattling in my head suddenly silenced.
Thanks dude!
Roddy McDowell was shooting another movie at the same time that's why he wasn't available for Beneath!
@@ricomajestic He was directing that other movie!
I never suspected a thing; it really was a good recast, and especially audacious, since McDowall appeared in the prologue.
It was always pretty obvious to me. I guess you're not into reading the end credits
@@kurtsimmons9735 The operative word is "end." Whilst watching the picture, many people had no suspicion of the recast.
21:10 It's really weird how Paul Williams is completely recognizable in the ape suit, even though none of the other actors are.
Are you saying he looks like his character?
Ceasars Conquest speech was FIRE
11:50 It remains possible that after Zaius destroyed the cave at the end of POTA that he may have told Cornelius the truth about human culture as a sort of consulation for the fact that he'd be tried for heresy.
Taylor was correct in his observation that Zaius was "guardian of the terrible secret" that human civilization had existed first and ape civilization rose from it. Zaius would undoubtedly need a successor to "guard the secret" just as he surely was a successor to a previous "guardian" of the secret... 'defender of the faith' so to speak. Who better to entrust this information to than someone who'd already discovered it and been accused of heresy, meaning Cornelius. So it makes sense that Cornelius (and by extension Zira) would have been "let in on the secret" in exchange for their silence and complicity...
@@lukestrawwalkerAbsolutely. Not everything has to happen on screen when a series does as good World Building as POTA does. Your take makes perfect sense. Whenever a religion or a belief system incorporates a lie for the "common good" you need a gatekeeper that knows the truth. This goes all the way back to Plato. This also connects to Professor Hasslein, who knows the truth about the future of the world, or Taylor who knows the truth about the Alpha Omega bomb... there's a theme of characters knowing the 'deep, dark secret' throughout the series.
I saw the original Apes at a drive in when I was too young to understand much except that the apes looked cool. Like most cultural phenomena that we experience as kids, they occupy a special nostalgic place in my memory. It didn't take long for me to grow up enough to appreciate them again in a sometimes ironic, but still heartfelt way.
I’m really happy you made this! I never see people talk about these initial sequels. The original is a classic, and the new Matt Reeves trilogy is well-received. So I feel like these (admittedly cheesy) films aren’t brought up. Great video!
You show me a sci-fi movie with no cheese and I'll show you a turkey!
I’m of the generation that watched these on the afternoon TV movie, as part of the annual “Planet of the Apes” Week. Of course, they were hacked up to fit the allotted time and you were lucky if they showed them in order. I always thought Conquest was the best movie back then. It just seemed to have the most say.
@@dmrr7739 I remember the afternoon movies, stripped across a week, that showed various movie or telefilm series, and once they showed a specially edited version of the PotA T.V. show, and it was hosted by Roddy McDowall-- as Galen!
I was pleasantly surprised by the Tim Burton version as well; that one actually took the original book's tack that the PotA was in fact a different planet, and that when the hero got back to Earth, the apes there had taken over.
@@dmrr7739 use to watch Plant of the apes TV series on a Sunday in the 70s at my Nans.
I was both fortunate and unfortunate to have read Pierre Boulle's book first. In the book the apes' world was set in a rough equivalent of late '50s- early '60s culture; the beginning of the space race. The ending is a triple whammy of surprises. Besides writing the original Planet of the Apes he also wrote Bridge on the River Kwai.
I first saw James Franciscus in valley of qwangi great actor.
Ceasers speach in conquest is my fave of all.
The military officer on the left at 8:22 is the same actor (Norman Burton) who portrayed the first ape seen on screen in the original (Gorilla hunt leader, close up at 0:33).
Mostly seen in small but memorable roles in films like Diamonds are Forever (Felix), The Towering Inferno (Giddings), The Terminal Man (Anders), and others. Burton was a competent and stalwart character actor. RIP.
Apes 1: a true classic that remains unmatched by the other movies.
Apes 2: it’s a fitting conclusion, but yeah I see how people really hate this one.
Apes 3: my personal favorite, such a sad tale of history repeating itself.
Apes 4: I really liked this one, but it’s annoying I have to go to RUclips to watch the original ending instead of the Hopeful ending the dvd has.
Apes 5: as a final movie it could’ve been a lot worse, but I think it’s fine and at least ends the saga. Also it has really good actors in it so that’s another plus, and the final battle is pretty dope.
Growing up I couldn't wait for the next installment! These films were so well done!
Every time I watch Battle for the Planet of the Apes I like it more and more. Underrated film.
I love all the Planet of the Apes Sequels.
I think you were a little hard on "beneath" and "Conquest" the second movie I like the fact that Taylor did blow up the Earth ,and Conquest I remember people jumping out of their seats rooting for the Apes to win.
Conquest and Battle are my fave sequels, especially the directors cuts.
I was like 10 years old when I saw Escape. I cried so hard at the end. And I developed a major crush on Roddy McDowell to this day. Planet and Conquest are my favorites
I did as well lol
It was released in nineteen sixty-ape? That was smooth.
I actually thought Beneath was a pretty good sequel. I thought they figured out a great way to keep Taylor out of the movie while making the movie ABOUT Taylor. I thought James Franciscus was pretty good. I also remember liking Escape, but the only thing I remember about it is Zira building steps up to a hanging banana and then saying she really didn't like bananas all that much.
James Franciscus was also in the Valley of Gwangi.
I agree on that on Beneath POTA! As a kid i never understood why Taylor was only in it for a short time but it was cool to get Brent looking for him only to find a destroyed NY and ape army marching for battle!
The original still holds up very well. Escape most closely resembles the original Pierre Boulle novel with the ape/ human roles reversed ( as mentioned here) but... I have a very nostalgic love for Beneath. I saw it at the tender age of ten. It was my first movie without parental guidance ( my buddy and I took a bus downtown to see it) the philosophy and violent action ( plus the world ending) absolutely blew my pre adolescent mind and hooked me on sci Fi forever (2001 followed hard upon.) I rewatched it lately and find it still has it's as appeal, especially the way it sets up the subterranean human society. And the religious Mass scene for the bomb is still a really batshit crazy scene to watch!
Beneath is a real freak out, a haunting film for sure.
i remember watching these as a child and loving all of them. While I do agree with you on them as an adult, I still love them. nostalgia
BENEATH is by far my favorite sequel. Aside form the rehash elements, they really did a great with new villains and introducing new elements of PotA. And that ending, LOVE it. The rest of the sequels felt like cheap cash grabs, which they were.
If I had been involved in Beneath and someone suggested James Gregory as the gorilla general, I would have said they were crazy. But actually I think he does a great job.
I just watched Beneath... the other day. I enjoy all the Ape movies.
Now that Disney owns Fox properties, terrifying new future awaits us in the cinematic Planet of the Apes. More Charlton Heston memes will be needed.
"Take your stinking paws off me you damned dirty mouse!"
I'm watching Planet Of The Apes 1968 now.
This is my favorite film series despite how inconsistent the quality of writing and the campiness. I love these movies. They got me into practical effects and filmmaking as a whole and I appreciate them for the story they were trying to show instead of milking a cow dry.
I even like the tv series which had McDowerll as an ape named Galen
I'm afraid I bloody adored all the Ape movies. Yes the first one is superior, but on the whole I found all of them had something to enjoy, as did the TV series.
"Escape..." was brilliant! Apes became the herow, the ones the spectator would identify with - against the evil humans! Only cinema can do that!
I have a special place for Escape from TP of the Apes. It was the summer and my older sister and her friend wanted to go to the movies and my mom just wanted to be home alone and read her book. She said my sister could go but she had to take me. Of course she made me sit in the other side of the theater by myself. First movie I had ever seen with out a parent. Loved the movie. I actual put the order as 1,2,3,4,5. Also loved the TV show and the cartoon. I even had the playing cards. Didn't care much for the recent ones. Problem is that after 5 movies and a tv show are there new ideas to explore, besides the latest in CGI.
i love movies like this mostly for how the camera makes everything look. it would be cool to see this style of cinematography combined with modern cgi. of course with a good story / concept.
I have always liked these movies more than Star Wars (and Charlton Heston was my first crush as a 11 year old girl in the 90s) so its nice to see someone talking about them :)
Battle for the P of the A is a special movie to me. I remember very well going to see it at the drive-in in ‘72. I was 10 and its been a fond memory my whole life.
I love conquest. I wish you’d touched on the tv series and cartoon in as much detail
The original didn't really need any sequels but I've always had a soft spot for Beneath. It's certainly far from perfect but I liked the whole mutant storyline and imagery. Shame about Battle, the series was definitely getting into flogging a dead horse (ape) territory by then.
Great video - the original Apes movies remains my favourite ever franchise. Battle is truly not good but all other 4 have so much going for them. Beneath is wildly nihilistic and has way more subtext than it deserves. Conquest is nothing but social commentary but done in a consistent and exciting way. Escape is a fantastic example of resetting a story in way that is true to the previous movies but extends them really well. And it's a gut-punch of an ending too. Great, great films and one of the joys of the modern trilogy is how much they built on the originals. Rise is essentially a remake of Conquest - even right down to Caesar's iconic "No". Great remakes, brilliant originals. Love 'em. thanks again for the very well-considered video.
My two college friends and I watched all the Planet of the Apes movies in one setting at a theater. We fed on popcorn and Butterfingers. Surprisingly, we enjoyed the whole experience and didn't nap or lose interest.
I havent had a butterfinger in..yearssss
I thought Franciscus' work as Brent was quite good, especially during those sequences when he was being mentally controlled. He was fighting it, but it had more power than his will. You could see that inner fight vividly. Not so easy to act.
Conquest still my fav. Something about it always stuck with me into adulthood.
Conquest felt more like race riots. The speech cornelius delivers was powerful!
I always assumed that in Escape, the reason Cornelius & Zira knew so much about Ape history was because -- since we already learned that Dr. Zaius knew that Humans were the dominant culture before wiping themselves out -- there must've been some documented record that was passed down through the title holder of Minister of Science and/or Chief Defender of the Faith. They might've asked him to share their knowledge with them in exchange for keeping quiet about their discoveries in the cave. Remember, Zaius originally said they were going to be put on trial for heresy, but when we see them again they're still free. So a deal must've been cut at some point between the first two films. But that's just my theory.
I wish we had a tv series taking place where the 70s series left off
I always liked the way the original Apes series forms a sort of causality loop with the sequels setting in motion the very events that lead to the first film
Even though I was born in the late 90s I managed to watch the originals first before the new Caesar trilogy because I was really bored one day as a kid and my father had them on DVD. I really liked Conquest back then and was quite thrilled in the cinema when I noticed that Rise was basically a remake of that one.
Conquest was SO good. I love rebellion against tyranny so for me Conquest was topnotch. 👍👍👍
Cornelius delivered a powerful speech!
I spent my 21'st birthday watching all of these back to back for the first time.... It is alright i went clubbing and pulled after that but wow the day was well spent...
Eric Braden is phenomenal as Dr Hasline. Being German he was easily able to put the accent to work amazingly. But he is also amazing as Dr Forbin in Colossus the Forbin Project.
All just warm-ups for his role as Victor Newman in ‘The Young And The Restless’ (44 years now and counting!)
Conquest is my favorite of all of them.
The first one and the sequel have the best cliffhanger endings of all time.
As a kid, i loved each of these movies, and their paperback books, with a passion. Thats all that mattered. They are criticize-proof as far as i'm concerned.
Back then that was the only way you could own a Movie. Get the Paperback Novelization.
I too enjoyed most of the Ape movies back then, maybe mostly because I was a kid.
Friday night. Nothing to watch... Hang on...Here's another Stam Fine review. 23 minutes and 54 seconds of effortless entertainment! Love your work 😁
The humans in the city in the 5th movie are of course the ancestors of the mutants in the 2nd movie. They even wear similar skullcaps to drop a hint.
Except that they can't be, since the timeline was changed. They were more an echo.
no they're not the bomb going off destroyed the entire planet.. watch and listen to the end
I like Beneath.Good sequel
0:33 the way I went back 3 times to makes sure 😂
I love Roddy McDowall....He was extremely talented and in some films at times he was extremely gorgeous.
Binged these when A&E ran all of them years ago. Enjoyed all of them.
"I hate every ape I see, from chimpan-a to chimpan-z... " 🎶
As a joke, if I had 4 talking monkeys, I would teach them to sing and play instruments.
Many thanks. You brought me back in time. I saw the franchise in the movie theater as a child. The episode of telephathy marked me for life. And even more the scene of crucifixion. What an effect cinema has on us. Congrats for the richness of your analysis.
Love all the movies especially that tells the story line from beginning to end. In full circle.
The only detail I wish the original series covered is why the humans can't talk. I assume because they became hunted down by apes and had to focus on silence. Plus possibly radiation after the war. Over time they basically forgot. That's just my theory though.
Beneath planet of the Apes ending is perfect.
The actress who was Nova was absolutely gorgeous
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes is by far the best movie in the franchise, I think its even better than the first movie...
It was the first one I saw and i absolutely agree. I was disappointed in the first two especially. Yes, even the first one ( except for that magnificent ending).
The last 2 are great fun. The 3rd is the best quality wise- writing, acting, etc...
Battle doesn't hold up so well- but it's still a good sequel to Conquest.
I like The Planet of the Apes because it led to Krieger in Archer getting to say "They Blew it up......."
Bill Bonds who was an actual newscaster (Detroit channel) made this REAL for me as a kid. So I could forget the apes fixing - flying the space ship, even thou in the first film they were in awe of a paper airplane.
You get the like for the title alone!!! 🙂
The band Orbital samples the prayer to the bomb in there hit song Desert Storm
Fun Fact..Heston filmed a brief scene in character to show studios execs that the Ape makeup showed promise and it was iconic actor Edward G Robinson as Dr Zaius like figure. Robinson turned down the role because f his health and the hours it took to do the makeup for the test shot which was less than the final version. Heston only agreed to appear briefly in the second film because he was told it wouldn't happen without but suggest Taylor's fate to those mal by it. Surprisingly he would go on to appear in a parody intro when he hosted SNL as Taylor with cast n crew as Apes making him preform. As well as the reboot before the recent series but as an Orangutan leadey like Dr Zaius. Sorry McDowell couldn't be in the second film due to another commitment but was quite keen to do the other three that follwed. He played Cornelius twice in the first\third film and then as his own son Caesar in Conquest\Battle before the franchise future would be on TV. McDowell would play another Ape on the brief live action series befriending another two human astronauts and Cartoon Series would air as well for a few episodes too. The studio was largely responsible for the suffering films shortcuts because they insisted that each would cost less each time even though they were profitable. Heston would go onto to make a film with Robinson which turned out to be the veteran actor last in Soylent Green and he passed away just soon after his scenes were finished. Fortunately they didn't repeat the pull over mask debacle from the second film going forward but each had it merits as well as social context throughout the first film had when they were filmed...
Having grown up with these movies - there was not a whole lot else out there, so we ate these up. However, compared to most of the schlock nowadays, I will take these ape movies anyday. The first movie was amazing. The second was just a tag a long to the first. Escape was an original concept and really enjoyable. Conquest was really good but somewhat dumbed down by the Mothers of America group which was dead set against violence. Finally, Battle was totally rewritten because the original script - which can still be found online - was too gruesome. Having read the original Battle script, the apes were actually starting to experiment on the humans to eliminate their vocal cords. Brutal Mothers of America.
The Donkey Kong score music in the background is very clever!!
Dear Mr Stam Fine. I am amazed by your insight and wit and the grace with wich you manage to conway it trough the video medium. I don't understand why you don't have a million strong audience, as you outshine many other creaters. Please keep doing what you are doing, so that the world can become richer for it.
The first one is unmatched
The things that tanked the 1st run of "Apes" movies really did come down to the budgets getting progressively, & ridiculously, smaller. Give a creative a shot & they probably find new ideas for stories. Cut the budgets to the point of blowing up ONE prop tree house while surrounding it w/as many cameras you could find to make it look like SIX houses up in smoke & it's doomed.
I'm the proud owner of a complete "Apes" movie collection & have to say that they play pretty dark for what was meant to be a "family" film franchise. The almost fully restored "Conquest" is by no means a "kid's picture". Apes getting their heads blown off in lovingly gory detail, piles (yes, PILES) of blood covered human corpses & Breck getting his head bashed in w/rifle butts is DAAARRRK even by today's standards & is my favorite of the sequels.
PS - I gotta give mad props to Thompson for his mad creativity to try & make his films look less cheap & exciting. Using the news footage of the Watts & Harlem uprisings of the '70s as inspiration n for the final battle in "Conquest" & the tree house trick in "Battle" shows how gonzo & brilliant he was...😎
I downloaded all of them from the high seas about 15 years ago. Now safely stored on an external 1T drive, and stored on my old PC. Still watch them through from time to time.
Good video, but failed to mention Hanging with Dr Z, the greatest Hollywood talk show of them all.
The Donkey Kong music was genius.