Of course because I always tend to see things differently. I did like it. 😁But wait! I have a reason for that. I have a very smart cat. He understands specific words and he's very vocal. He has a "vocabulary" so it's easy to believe he has a soul and intellect equivalent perhaps to a human two year old. I can see him "thinking" and making a decision. If I ask him if he wants to go out, or does he need water, he understands he has a choice and will either go towards the bathroom (he prefers drinking from the faucet) or the door. It's natural therefore to assume they have souls that will translate to Heaven. St. Thomas' explanation of why they do not resurrect makes perfect sense. My cat has a soul, intellect and emotions but his soul isn't incorruptible. Enjoy them while you can but when you're in the presence of Jesus and our Heavenly Father, you won't even notice they're not there. Same for food, and I love a good meal.
@@tinalettieri I used to rehabilitate wildlife, everything from baby birds, squirrels and possums, to hawks and owls. I had a dog who was from a line of hunting dogs, and as such, I would have thought he'd want to eat the smaller animals in my care. But he didn't, multiple times I caught him taking them to his dog bed and cleaning and cuddling them. It brings me back to something I read in Rev. Francis Spirago's catechism about Adam, and because of his legacy, animals respect us and our ways. In this case, maybe my dog took a leaf from my book and tried in his own way to do what I did? I don't know, but that's not natural dog behavior at all. I'm certainly not expert (on anything, really), but it seems that something significant passes between us and the animals closest to us.
Dont you remember Jesus love the litte lambs. Why would he not want animals in Heaven. What about the beautiful gardens we have . Does that mean because they have no soul no flowers grow in Heaven.?
@@marionnicholson1761 Well, just my uneducated opinion here, but trees and flowers were created for the earth, not Heaven. So... I don't know, maybe not? Same thing for animals though, they were created to populate the earth. But we were created to live on the earth too, so I don't know. One thing I know for sure, is that if there's no food in Heaven, that'll be fine with me. I don't eat much anyway, lol.
The question is not will there be pets in heaven but will my pets I had while alive be in heaven. I do not think people are asking if new pets will be in heaven. Just the ones we had while alive. Those pets will just need to be resurrected and no new pets generated. That eliminates the need for new births and deaths. The pets we had while alive would be resurrected and live with us eternally. No new births or deaths.
St Thomas was one of the best thinkers (if not the best) ever lived, but he is not infallible and he err in some things. This is one of those where I think he tried to intellectualize too much such matter. I personally believe in a new earth full of plant and animal life, for us to enjoy. It makes the most sense, and I don't need to go through a deep meditation to understand that God, is a God of the living, not of the dead. On a side note, about eating and drinking... don't you think it is more logical to imagine a perfect world where we can taste new flavors, smell new odors, and whatnot? Just because "it is not needed for our resirrected body", doesn't make those things meaningless and useless. I just have to *sigh* a bit. We will se in the new life (hopefully).
@@iteadthomam It doesn't matter, on things that matter, I agree. But here? There's no definitive teaching about this, and as I said, St Thomas err in some matters as well (only a few), such as the moment of infusement of human soul during gestation.
On questions such as these, I always remind myself of what (I think) C.S. Lewis said, which is that in heaven nothing that was good in this life is lost but is redeemed and made even better.
I think the question that people want answered isn’t just, “Will there be new animals to be our pets in heaven?” but rather “Will our pets who lived with us on Earth go to heaven?”
And I think the answer to that could very well be that they will. Just as I also think our bodies in the resurrection would be like Jesus’ resurrected body and in that way there might be food and drink; perhaps the Eucharist itself?
@@JuanMPalacio "Universe" means everything that was created. There is nothing created "outside of this universe". Heaven is a literal, physical place somewhere in the universe.
In most of their interactions with those who care for them, pets love unconditionally. They are an example of how we should love. This has always made it difficult to believe they will be excluded from Heaven.
@@daveignatiusatienza3226or maybe he didn't. The answer is proposed with a conditional, a conditional he personally may believe that it will never be acomplished. (That being, that we need something else apart from God to be happy)
@@damaplehound Mmm ... what if my pet, or family member or other human creation becomes a manifestation of God's presence? God's created order is good, and conducive for our holiness. Else, Christ would not have resurrected with a body, nor would there be physical bodies (e.g. saints, Mary) in heaven.
ALL creation belongs to God, and he loves it all. Of course ALL animals would be in heaven, regardless of what man wants, but pets who we have known and cared for would surely be as well. "For every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the insects in the fields are mine." -Psalm 50:10-11 "Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care." -Matthew 10:29 "But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind." -Job 12:7-10 "The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them. The cow will feed with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox. The infant will play near the cobra’s den, and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea." -Isaiah 11:6-9
I thought possibly that in heaven we wouldn't see our animals from earth, but there would be new pets that wouldn't need any bodily sustenance. But after reflecting on this talk, God is all we will need in heaven to be happy. But it begs the question, if we have spirit like/physical bodies, what will we use the physicalness of them for? Again with food, God is all we need to be happy, so if we don't need for for sustenance, what would the use of food be in heaven?
Just my own thought, but if God created just out of an overflow of love rather than compulsion or necessity, perhaps engaging in the aspects of physical life will happen also from a similar overflow from us. We love God so much we love the food he made us, and we sculpt sculptures etc as an overflow of that love that causes us to imitate the creator and see participatiin in his image in all aspects of physicality we engage in
We love God so much we love the animals He gave us. Pets do have intellectual ability, just not to the degree that we have. Wasn't Aquinas, smart as he was, wrong about abortion?
On the one hand, one could say that such language is just figurative. Christ often uses hyperbole and metaphor in the gospels. But...why wouldn't there be feasting of a kind? Will it be eating as we eat here? Probably not. It may not be necessary to sustain an incorruptible body. However, the point of feasting isn't to eat. The point of a feast is to celebrate. In such circumstances as might exist in Heaven, celebratory feasting could only come naturally to The Church Triumphant.
What was the need for animals In the garden before the fall, and why was there need for food before Adam and Eve fell? (I know it’s not the same as a glorified body but wasn’t it something similar?) It seems flawed to assume that the glorified bodies would just continue to gain mass if food is eaten because it’s assuming the body functions exactly the same as it does now just with no energy loss. Whose to say that the food/matter wont do exactly the same thing it did when our Lord ate it. Also who’s to say the food in the new heaven and new Earth even works in the same way… I doubt it since everything will be made new. We won’t require food but that doesn’t mean we won’t be capable of eating. I mean we do get our physical bodies back which suggest that we will use them for physical things. -God bless 🌹Ave Maria🌹 +Viva Cristo Rey+
A time not long ago, while still grieving the loss of my dog Copper, a Boxer/Dane mix, during prayer I received a vision. It was like a photograph. I saw a throne and someone sitting in that throne I knew to be God. The photo went only chest high so I could not see His face. But to His side sitting was Copper. God had his hand on her in a way that suggested He was petting her. She was young. I could see the energy she had back then. It was as if she was bursting with excitement to take off running but was called in to pose for that photo. She used to love to run and she was so fast. It was difficult her last weeks. She got old and gray and couldn't hardly walk much less run. Perhaps this was just a way God chose to provide comfort to me. Or perhaps she is there, in her prime, running to her hearts content.
In Isaiah it pretty clearly states that different animals will be eating together and will no longer hunt or kill. In revelation it talks about a new earth, presumably with new bodies, animals, plants, etc. On another point, it seems pretty self evident to me that a restored eden was always the end goal of God. A restored earth, not a destroyed earth with us living disembodied lives in an ethereal realm. If St. Thomas's entire reason for thinking that pets wont be in heaven is that they do not appear to have immortal souls, then im afraid he is likely mistaken. Everything gets its being and soul from God. Human souls arent intrinsically immortal outside of God. We are only immortal if God says we are. So it is with animals too. If God says they will not die, then they won't die.
When this topic comes up, and the eternal debates that follow it inevitably ensue, I always think of "De docta ignorantia." While it is fun to think about, I do not believe we can know for sure in this life. Interesting how questions like this can all of a sudden make certain people very sure of the exact nature of God/Heaven.
@@blazel462 The one time it actually makes sense to drop some verses and you just give a vague answer. I'm more than willing to see a definitive statement. Care to share where I can find one?
@@Epiousios18 I think the KJV of this following passage works better than more modern translations to beautifully illustrate the biblical theme of redemption extending beyond humanity to all of creation. But that’s me. "For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now." -Romans 8:19-22
The world is in flames, people are completely alone and in the darkness, despair has taken over, unhappiness reigns, because so it must be, if they all urge you to smile forcefully - and you catch on the topic whether pets go to Heaven!!!! This must be entirely the spirit of St.Thomas, that cunning genius, whom we own and understand and know everything about It (his work), and him (his person)!!! May God the Almighty enlighten us in this mission - of telling of St.Thomas, in between all the other (distractive) little things in life - that's why life is beautiful, because it's full of variety, and mirth, and pleasure, long live us, the enlightened us, and long live God, Who obeys us!!!! ( ✝️ ✝️ )
I include my dead pets names in my daily rosary for years. I came upon this video and now I think I need to remove them based on the explanation. I feel sad doing it cause in my mind pets are sentient in some capacity. They may not have the ability to speak but they show their emotions in some way. This is tough for me to immediately comprehend and accept but if this god's will then thy will be done.
Please be not sad. I was struggling with this, too so I went to Jesus in Adoration and asked Him. This came into my heart. Jesus: Do you know that I love you? Me: Yes Jesus: Why would I give you something to enjoy and love on earth only to take it away from you when you come home to Heaven? Why would I not want your perfect happiness in Heaven? And then to really nail it home for me… a dying patient in his last moments sat up in bed and called out some 20 names before he closed his eyes and died. I asked his wife what those names were and she said, “Those were our dogs.” My patient was a dog musher. I was his doctor. Do not be sad. Trust God. He has got us. Sometimes all this thinking just causes us grief and sorrow. Know that there is nothing happening and not happening that God does not know about. He only wants the best for us. In the twilight of life, we are judged on love alone. God bless you abundantly.
What about Matthew 26:29 wherein Jesus says, "I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father."
C.S. Lewis’s answer to this question in THE PROBLEM OF PAIN kindles love of God in the reader’s heart. This one leaves me cold. I once had an Aquinas professor who argued that aborted babies would not go to heaven. JP II said that their mothers could ask their forgiveness in heaven. Which position sounds more like a parable of Jesus? If philosophical speculation leads us to believe that God does not make right the suffering in our world, it is inadequate.
The Church has always taught that unbaptized infants cannot go to heaven. To say otherwise is Pelagian. Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.” Pope St. Innocent, 414: “But that which Your Fraternity asserts the Pelagians preach, that even without the grace of Baptism infants are able to be endowed with the rewards of eternal life, is quite idiotic.” (Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 2016.) St. Augustine, Letter to Jerome, 415: “Anyone who would say that even infants who pass from this life without participation in the Sacrament [of Baptism] shall be made alive in Christ truly goes counter to the preaching of the Apostle and condemns the whole Church,where there is great haste in baptizing infants because it is believed without doubt that there is no other way at all in which they can be made alive in Christ.” (Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3:1439)
@@62peppe62 Hello, it's the acronym for near death experience/s. Some people report to have seen animals in Heaven. What needs to be discussed is how much of the person's consciousness and desires are put into these visions.
This is one of the very rare cases where I would say that Aquinas gets it wrong (the others that come to mind are his rejection of the Immaculate Conception and his assertion that the embryo doesn't receive a rational soul until several weeks after conception). I think the error Aquinas makes is in thinking that corruption is bad per se; but I would argue that it is not bad per se but only secundum quid, i.e., for rational creatures who have within themselves an eternal element. So, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that heaven will be filled with plants and animals who will be born and who will die, because for them death is not a evil per se - they are not conscious of their mortality. As for our love and attachment for our pets, I am not so sure: my guess is that the blessed in heaven will be so overwhelmed by delight in the sheer gift of God's creation that they will not feel any sorrow for the generation and corruption of plants and animals, but will love them with holy detachment. Those are my two cents, for what they're worth.
Seen many approved private revelations about plants and animals in Heaven and also that they enjoy feasts in Heaven. I could cite my sources but I'm too lazy.
If the Kingdom of Heaven is really comparable to a wedding feast (Matthew 22), it won't be much of a banquet without food and drink! While I agree with St Thomas that incorruptible, heavenly bodies wouldn't require food and drink for energy as our mortal bodies do, I can easily envisage how food and drink might be consumed without that food being assimilated into our bodies - as happened with the Resurrected Christ. Even so, food and drink (in themselves) are corruptible - so unless that were not to be the case in Heaven, perhaps St Thomas is correct, after all....
If we are resurrected bodily, then we will need a place to stand, which suggests there will be things without souls of any kind. So why not non rational souls?
Interesting, as my understanding was that because animals were not gifted with free will that God has given humanity, they'd be in heaven by default, as their lack of free will will make the choice between heaven and hell non-existant.
Yes the catholic church accepts this theory and tells us to take the opinion of scientists seriously. We believe that science explains how human bodies came from evolution, but the human soul is given by God and cannot be caused by any material cause.
Before original sinn there were plants and animals and humans did eat. If, after the resurrection, the world will be back to its state prior the original sinn, there should still be plants and animals and humans should still be eating.
Thoughts about pets going to heaven open a broader range of questions like do people eat in heaven and are there any animals there and all of these questions assume heaven is like earth. Though, persons are bound only to God and to one another only because of the love that unites them. There may be no need of ground, gravity, or a sun because it is said, heaven is all light and there is no night, that alone necessarily means that heaven is different from earth. Heaven, in a real sense, is already here. Our existence has physical matter. I reason that, having "bodies" doesn't require a physical existence, physicality. A body is a simple way to describe that there is a difference between one person and another person, that which constitutes one person separately and that all persons are, in being, one in Christ. Time is determined by distances, movement and the effect of gravity which results from the effects of or forces of matter upon matter ergo it causes movement. Heaven is outside of time, yet, God sustains all that exists in time and in eternity, heaven, and the physical world. Heaven exists along with the physical worlds, the universe. Considering that, anything that has a beginning has an end. Anything that ends is forever approaching non-existence when compared with anything eternal. Yet, never reaching it. Therefore, anything within the universe, which is approaching its end becomes increasingly less significant in eternity when compared with all that exists within eternity until it is of infinitessimally small significance. One question matters; am I going to heaven? If one is moving in the direction of Our Lord, yes, by definition, yes? One is tending toward heaven. Only, make certain that is constantly one's direction.
With all due respect, dear Father Ambrose, here we have proof that Thomas Aquinas is not infallible. There is no way anyone can state definitively that our pets will not be with us in heaven. I have to assume that Thomas Aquinas never had a pet, looked into its eyes, and felt the unconditional love that is truly a gift from God to humans. A wise person once said, "Unless one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." (Anatole France) Coming to the awareness or belief that our pets will be with us in heaven does not result from "hefty thinking" but from experience that touches the depths of one's heart and soul, I believe. In addition, I look forward to many sumptuous and delicious banquets in heaven with loved ones. Metaphysically yours in the Lord!
The soul is an idea. My soul is the idea of myself. This idea is non material and exists in the mind of God. The soul related to my body is animated by the spirit. There are only two spirits The Holy Spirit that gives life and the spirit of the world that leads to death. All souls are eternal. They are ideas and exist beyond and outside of time. There is no reason to assume what you do about sentient animals that unlike us are not created in the image and likeness of God. Jesus often uses the imagery of a wedding feast to describe His Father's Kingdom. Happy Påske, Michael
Sorry Saint Thomas My animals will be with me in heaven ! What about Saint Roch would God are Father take his beloved dogs from Him I think Not There are so Many Saints who loved animals and Who the Lord had them love and taken care of
Firstly - souls who belong to bodily religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu and so on Do Not go to heaven. Why? because the founders of those religions begin in the Copper Age, approximately 2500 years ago. Their first birth is after heaven on earth, the Golden and Silver Ages. The Copper Age is after the fall of "man", hence why religions and the worship of God commenced. Heaven on earth is in Bharat (India) where the pure vice-less all virtuous deities ruled the globe, the reformed ones. These pure divine beings have been worshipped by most civilisations since their fall. At the end of the Iron Age which is now, these ancestor souls are destined to take their first birth in the Golden Age again, and thus this cycle of the Ages repeats eternally.
Do you adear to the Pope? I honestly dont know 😅 im only asking bc he said your pet will go to heaven. Personally I don't care but I'm more curious this channel lines up with the Catholic church.
Could you do a video on Thomas Aquinas teaching that most people go to Hell?? Thanks. "Since their eternal happiness, consisting in the vision of God, exceeds the common state of nature, and especially in so far as this is deprived of grace through the corruption of original sin, those who are saved are in the minority. In this especially, however, appears the mercy of God, that He has chosen some for that salvation, from which very many in accordance with the common course and tendency of nature fall short." - Thomas Aquinas
"While you may not like Saint Thomas' answers, remember that he is no fool..."
He knows we're not gonna like the answers.
Of course because I always tend to see things differently. I did like it. 😁But wait! I have a reason for that. I have a very smart cat. He understands specific words and he's very vocal. He has a "vocabulary" so it's easy to believe he has a soul and intellect equivalent perhaps to a human two year old. I can see him "thinking" and making a decision. If I ask him if he wants to go out, or does he need water, he understands he has a choice and will either go towards the bathroom (he prefers drinking from the faucet) or the door.
It's natural therefore to assume they have souls that will translate to Heaven. St. Thomas' explanation of why they do not resurrect makes perfect sense. My cat has a soul, intellect and emotions but his soul isn't incorruptible. Enjoy them while you can but when you're in the presence of Jesus and our Heavenly Father, you won't even notice they're not there. Same for food, and I love a good meal.
@@tinalettieri I used to rehabilitate wildlife, everything from baby birds, squirrels and possums, to hawks and owls. I had a dog who was from a line of hunting dogs, and as such, I would have thought he'd want to eat the smaller animals in my care. But he didn't, multiple times I caught him taking them to his dog bed and cleaning and cuddling them.
It brings me back to something I read in Rev. Francis Spirago's catechism about Adam, and because of his legacy, animals respect us and our ways. In this case, maybe my dog took a leaf from my book and tried in his own way to do what I did? I don't know, but that's not natural dog behavior at all.
I'm certainly not expert (on anything, really), but it seems that something significant passes between us and the animals closest to us.
Dont you remember Jesus love the litte lambs. Why would he not want animals in Heaven. What about the beautiful gardens we have . Does that mean because they have no soul no flowers grow in Heaven.?
@@marionnicholson1761 Well, just my uneducated opinion here, but trees and flowers were created for the earth, not Heaven. So... I don't know, maybe not?
Same thing for animals though, they were created to populate the earth. But we were created to live on the earth too, so I don't know.
One thing I know for sure, is that if there's no food in Heaven, that'll be fine with me. I don't eat much anyway, lol.
The question is not will there be pets in heaven but will my pets I had while alive be in heaven. I do not think people are asking if new pets will be in heaven. Just the ones we had while alive. Those pets will just need to be resurrected and no new pets generated. That eliminates the need for new births and deaths. The pets we had while alive would be resurrected and live with us eternally. No new births or deaths.
This theory, I like. The thought of not having my beloved cats with me is just too sad.
he answered it.
@@metanoia1122 so true. But when we die, that will be the last thing we'll be thinking about.
St Thomas was one of the best thinkers (if not the best) ever lived, but he is not infallible and he err in some things. This is one of those where I think he tried to intellectualize too much such matter.
I personally believe in a new earth full of plant and animal life, for us to enjoy. It makes the most sense, and I don't need to go through a deep meditation to understand that God, is a God of the living, not of the dead.
On a side note, about eating and drinking... don't you think it is more logical to imagine a perfect world where we can taste new flavors, smell new odors, and whatnot? Just because "it is not needed for our resirrected body", doesn't make those things meaningless and useless. I just have to *sigh* a bit. We will se in the new life (hopefully).
Your personal opinion doesn't matter. You are clueless on Catholic theology, fallen into errors of Saracen theologians.
@@iteadthomam It doesn't matter, on things that matter, I agree.
But here?
There's no definitive teaching about this, and as I said, St Thomas err in some matters as well (only a few), such as the moment of infusement of human soul during gestation.
@@redlinerumble3 Appealing to emotions doesn't work, try again.
"St. Thomas is not infallibe" yes, specially when what he says is displeasing for you right? Sorry, but his answers make sense.
@@marcoswillianaraujo-zs8ey Exactly. Anyone who prefers their emotional moments with their pets over a sound logical reasoning has serious issues.
On questions such as these, I always remind myself of what (I think) C.S. Lewis said, which is that in heaven nothing that was good in this life is lost but is redeemed and made even better.
I think the question that people want answered isn’t just, “Will there be new animals to be our pets in heaven?” but rather “Will our pets who lived with us on Earth go to heaven?”
And I think the answer to that could very well be that they will. Just as I also think our bodies in the resurrection would be like Jesus’ resurrected body and in that way there might be food and drink; perhaps the Eucharist itself?
@@lordkasten3161 There will be no Sacraments in Heaven because they will no longer be necessary, and that includes the Eucharist.
The way this is worded makes it sound like you believe Heaven will be another place other than the Earth we currently live on.
@@RoosterNutz12 If a good person passes away today, do they not go to Heaven (assuming God permits them), which is beyond the limits of this universe?
@@JuanMPalacio "Universe" means everything that was created. There is nothing created "outside of this universe". Heaven is a literal, physical place somewhere in the universe.
In most of their interactions with those who care for them, pets love unconditionally. They are an example of how we should love. This has always made it difficult to believe they will be excluded from Heaven.
not sure about unconditional, though
There is nothing unconditional about an animal's affection for you - nor is it "love."
I like Fr Mike Schmitz take on this question too: "IF having our pets in heaven is necessary for our eternal bliss, then God could allow it."
That would imply that God's presence wouldn't be enough for humans to be eternally happy.
Fr. Mike may be wrong. God is all the happiness we need in heaven. Maybe he forgot.
He also said that if you believe that you really need your pet there, then maybe you're not ready for heaven (paraphrasing).
@@daveignatiusatienza3226or maybe he didn't. The answer is proposed with a conditional, a conditional he personally may believe that it will never be acomplished. (That being, that we need something else apart from God to be happy)
@@damaplehound Mmm ... what if my pet, or family member or other human creation becomes a manifestation of God's presence? God's created order is good, and conducive for our holiness. Else, Christ would not have resurrected with a body, nor would there be physical bodies (e.g. saints, Mary) in heaven.
Saint Thomas as always having the best takes.... 🔥
ALL creation belongs to God, and he loves it all. Of course ALL animals would be in heaven, regardless of what man wants, but pets who we have known and cared for would surely be as well.
"For every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills. I know every bird in the mountains, and the insects in the fields are mine."
-Psalm 50:10-11
"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care."
-Matthew 10:29
"But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the Lord has done this? In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind."
-Job 12:7-10
"The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The infant will play near the cobra’s den,
and the young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest.
They will neither harm nor destroy
on all my holy mountain,
for the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord
as the waters cover the sea."
-Isaiah 11:6-9
You got it.
I thought possibly that in heaven we wouldn't see our animals from earth, but there would be new pets that wouldn't need any bodily sustenance. But after reflecting on this talk, God is all we will need in heaven to be happy. But it begs the question, if we have spirit like/physical bodies, what will we use the physicalness of them for? Again with food, God is all we need to be happy, so if we don't need for for sustenance, what would the use of food be in heaven?
Just my own thought, but if God created just out of an overflow of love rather than compulsion or necessity, perhaps engaging in the aspects of physical life will happen also from a similar overflow from us. We love God so much we love the food he made us, and we sculpt sculptures etc as an overflow of that love that causes us to imitate the creator and see participatiin in his image in all aspects of physicality we engage in
We love God so much we love the animals He gave us. Pets do have intellectual ability, just not to the degree that we have. Wasn't Aquinas, smart as he was, wrong about abortion?
Obviously, St Thomas didn't have any cats or dogs.
@@iteadthomam that’s not what I’m saying. Sometimes you have to be direct, sure. You’re not being direct, though. You’re just being a prick.
What about the heavenly banquet?… and the lion and the lamb laying down together in heaven?
On the one hand, one could say that such language is just figurative. Christ often uses hyperbole and metaphor in the gospels.
But...why wouldn't there be feasting of a kind? Will it be eating as we eat here? Probably not. It may not be necessary to sustain an incorruptible body. However, the point of feasting isn't to eat. The point of a feast is to celebrate. In such circumstances as might exist in Heaven, celebratory feasting could only come naturally to The Church Triumphant.
What was the need for animals In the garden before the fall, and why was there need for food before Adam and Eve fell? (I know it’s not the same as a glorified body but wasn’t it something similar?)
It seems flawed to assume that the glorified bodies would just continue to gain mass if food is eaten because it’s assuming the body functions exactly the same as it does now just with no energy loss. Whose to say that the food/matter wont do exactly the same thing it did when our Lord ate it.
Also who’s to say the food in the new heaven and new Earth even works in the same way…
I doubt it since everything will be made new.
We won’t require food but that doesn’t mean we won’t be capable of eating. I mean we do get our physical bodies back which suggest that we will use them for physical things.
-God bless
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God made the world I'm sure he made the animals and flowers as well.
A time not long ago, while still grieving the loss of my dog Copper, a Boxer/Dane mix, during prayer I received a vision. It was like a photograph. I saw a throne and someone sitting in that throne I knew to be God. The photo went only chest high so I could not see His face. But to His side sitting was Copper. God had his hand on her in a way that suggested He was petting her. She was young. I could see the energy she had back then. It was as if she was bursting with excitement to take off running but was called in to pose for that photo.
She used to love to run and she was so fast. It was difficult her last weeks. She got old and gray and couldn't hardly walk much less run.
Perhaps this was just a way God chose to provide comfort to me. Or perhaps she is there, in her prime, running to her hearts content.
In Isaiah it pretty clearly states that different animals will be eating together and will no longer hunt or kill.
In revelation it talks about a new earth, presumably with new bodies, animals, plants, etc.
On another point, it seems pretty self evident to me that a restored eden was always the end goal of God. A restored earth, not a destroyed earth with us living disembodied lives in an ethereal realm.
If St. Thomas's entire reason for thinking that pets wont be in heaven is that they do not appear to have immortal souls, then im afraid he is likely mistaken. Everything gets its being and soul from God. Human souls arent intrinsically immortal outside of God. We are only immortal if God says we are. So it is with animals too. If God says they will not die, then they won't die.
Thanks so much! God bless.✝️🙏🏽💟
When this topic comes up, and the eternal debates that follow it inevitably ensue, I always think of "De docta ignorantia." While it is fun to think about, I do not believe we can know for sure in this life.
Interesting how questions like this can all of a sudden make certain people very sure of the exact nature of God/Heaven.
Read the Bible, it is pretty clear.
@@blazel462 The one time it actually makes sense to drop some verses and you just give a vague answer. I'm more than willing to see a definitive statement. Care to share where I can find one?
@@Epiousios18 look at my post in the main thread 👆🏻, I left about 4 verses.
@@blazel462 Gotcha, I looked at it and I agree with you btw, I just think we also have to accept we can't know "for sure."
@@Epiousios18 I think the KJV of this following passage works better than more modern translations to beautifully illustrate the biblical theme of redemption extending beyond humanity to all of creation.
But that’s me.
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now."
-Romans 8:19-22
The world is in flames, people are completely alone and in the darkness, despair has taken over, unhappiness reigns, because so it must be, if they all urge you to smile forcefully - and you catch on the topic whether pets go to Heaven!!!! This must be entirely the spirit of St.Thomas, that cunning genius, whom we own and understand and know everything about It (his work), and him (his person)!!! May God the Almighty enlighten us in this mission - of telling of St.Thomas, in between all the other (distractive) little things in life - that's why life is beautiful, because it's full of variety, and mirth, and pleasure, long live us, the enlightened us, and long live God, Who obeys us!!!! ( ✝️ ✝️ )
We still love you, Fr Ambrose Little, and not just because one of our sons (Ambrose Benedict) was called "Little Ambrose" by his big brother Gabriel.
I include my dead pets names in my daily rosary for years. I came upon this video and now I think I need to remove them based on the explanation. I feel sad doing it cause in my mind pets are sentient in some capacity. They may not have the ability to speak but they show their emotions in some way. This is tough for me to immediately comprehend and accept but if this god's will then thy will be done.
Please be not sad. I was struggling with this, too so I went to Jesus in Adoration and asked Him. This came into my heart.
Jesus: Do you know that I love you?
Me: Yes
Jesus: Why would I give you something to enjoy and love on earth only to take it away from you when you come home to Heaven? Why would I not want your perfect happiness in Heaven?
And then to really nail it home for me… a dying patient in his last moments sat up in bed and called out some 20 names before he closed his eyes and died. I asked his wife what those names were and she said, “Those were our dogs.” My patient was a dog musher. I was his doctor.
Do not be sad. Trust God. He has got us. Sometimes all this thinking just causes us grief and sorrow. Know that there is nothing happening and not happening that God does not know about. He only wants the best for us. In the twilight of life, we are judged on love alone. God bless you abundantly.
@@allisonchung5115 thank you. Your words are comforting. This is something i would pray about and meditate on this lent. God bless.
What about Matthew 26:29 wherein Jesus says, "I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father."
C.S. Lewis’s answer to this question in THE PROBLEM OF PAIN kindles love of God in the reader’s heart. This one leaves me cold. I once had an Aquinas professor who argued that aborted babies would not go to heaven. JP II said that their mothers could ask their forgiveness in heaven. Which position sounds more like a parable of Jesus? If philosophical speculation leads us to believe that God does not make right the suffering in our world, it is inadequate.
The Church has always taught that unbaptized infants cannot go to heaven. To say otherwise is Pelagian. Pope Paul III, The Council of Trent, Can. 5 on the Sacrament of Baptism, ex cathedra: “If anyone says that baptism [the sacrament] is optional, that is, not necessary for salvation (cf. Jn. 3:5): let him be anathema.” Pope St. Innocent, 414: “But that which Your Fraternity asserts the Pelagians preach, that even without the grace of Baptism infants are able to be endowed with the rewards of eternal life, is quite idiotic.” (Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 2016.) St. Augustine, Letter to Jerome, 415: “Anyone who would say that even infants who pass from this life without participation in the Sacrament [of Baptism] shall be made alive in Christ truly goes counter to the preaching of the Apostle and condemns the whole Church,where there is great haste in baptizing infants because it is believed without doubt that there is no other way at all in which they can be made alive in Christ.” (Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3:1439)
Num Papa Sanctus Ioannes Paulus II est anathema?
I think Jimmy Akin's take on this is solid
Solid, but not more sure than S. Thomas' view, as his hypothesis rests on NDEs. Difficult to be definitive!
@@piafounetMarcoPesenti What's NDEs?
@@62peppe62 Hello, it's the acronym for near death experience/s. Some people report to have seen animals in Heaven. What needs to be discussed is how much of the person's consciousness and desires are put into these visions.
NDE near death experiences
@@bcsny47 thank you
Thanks for clearing this up. Helpful. Metaphysically possible, but unhealthy for our incorruptible bodies. Roger out.
#AskAFriar - What is a soul? Can souls be feminine or masculine?
This is one of the very rare cases where I would say that Aquinas gets it wrong (the others that come to mind are his rejection of the Immaculate Conception and his assertion that the embryo doesn't receive a rational soul until several weeks after conception). I think the error Aquinas makes is in thinking that corruption is bad per se; but I would argue that it is not bad per se but only secundum quid, i.e., for rational creatures who have within themselves an eternal element. So, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that heaven will be filled with plants and animals who will be born and who will die, because for them death is not a evil per se - they are not conscious of their mortality. As for our love and attachment for our pets, I am not so sure: my guess is that the blessed in heaven will be so overwhelmed by delight in the sheer gift of God's creation that they will not feel any sorrow for the generation and corruption of plants and animals, but will love them with holy detachment. Those are my two cents, for what they're worth.
How do we answer the words by Jesus in Matthew 26:29, regarding new wine?
This is the only thing I hope Aquinas is wrong about.
Seen many approved private revelations about plants and animals in Heaven and also that they enjoy feasts in Heaven. I could cite my sources but I'm too lazy.
Please, a little effort.
@@62peppe62 One was St Faustina's diary
If the Kingdom of Heaven is really comparable to a wedding feast (Matthew 22), it won't be much of a banquet without food and drink! While I agree with St Thomas that incorruptible, heavenly bodies wouldn't require food and drink for energy as our mortal bodies do, I can easily envisage how food and drink might be consumed without that food being assimilated into our bodies - as happened with the Resurrected Christ. Even so, food and drink (in themselves) are corruptible - so unless that were not to be the case in Heaven, perhaps St Thomas is correct, after all....
When they ask me, i ask: "will your dog [pet] see YOU in heaven. Work on that... Its not guaranteed!"
Always ask the Christ to take you to your pet,believe it when it hapoens.
I tell my kids, YES, unless GOD has something better in mind
If we are resurrected bodily, then we will need a place to stand, which suggests there will be things without souls of any kind. So why not non rational souls?
So why did THE LORD create animals
Interesting, as my understanding was that because animals were not gifted with free will that God has given humanity, they'd be in heaven by default, as their lack of free will will make the choice between heaven and hell non-existant.
I have one question on evolution, does catholic church recognize it? What is the theistic evolution theory that the church followa
Yes the catholic church accepts this theory and tells us to take the opinion of scientists seriously. We believe that science explains how human bodies came from evolution, but the human soul is given by God and cannot be caused by any material cause.
Who says animals have no souls? They love us. Is that possible without a soul?
All Dogs go to Heaven. Haven't you seen the movie?
Thanks
The simple answer is “no”
...wunderbar!...
Before original sinn there were plants and animals and humans did eat. If, after the resurrection, the world will be back to its state prior the original sinn, there should still be plants and animals and humans should still be eating.
Thoughts about pets going to heaven open a broader range of questions like do people eat in heaven and are there any animals there and all of these questions assume heaven is like earth. Though, persons are bound only to God and to one another only because of the love that unites them. There may be no need of ground, gravity, or a sun because it is said, heaven is all light and there is no night, that alone necessarily means that heaven is different from earth.
Heaven, in a real sense, is already here. Our existence has physical matter. I reason that, having "bodies" doesn't require a physical existence, physicality. A body is a simple way to describe that there is a difference between one person and another person, that which constitutes one person separately and that all persons are, in being, one in Christ.
Time is determined by distances, movement and the effect of gravity which results from the effects of or forces of matter upon matter ergo it causes movement.
Heaven is outside of time, yet, God sustains all that exists in time and in eternity, heaven, and the physical world. Heaven exists along with the physical worlds, the universe. Considering that, anything that has a beginning has an end. Anything that ends is forever approaching non-existence when compared with anything eternal. Yet, never reaching it.
Therefore, anything within the universe, which is approaching its end becomes increasingly less significant in eternity when compared with all that exists within eternity until it is of infinitessimally small significance.
One question matters; am I going to heaven? If one is moving in the direction of Our Lord, yes, by definition, yes? One is tending toward heaven. Only, make certain that is constantly one's direction.
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Why isn't the book of Enoch in the Bible, even though Saint Jude mentions it?
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Is it alright for Catholics to lucid dream?
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With all due respect, dear Father Ambrose, here we have proof that Thomas Aquinas is not infallible. There is no way anyone can state definitively that our pets will not be with us in heaven. I have to assume that Thomas Aquinas never had a pet, looked into its eyes, and felt the unconditional love that is truly a gift from God to humans. A wise person once said, "Unless one has loved an animal, a part of one's soul remains unawakened." (Anatole France) Coming to the awareness or belief that our pets will be with us in heaven does not result from "hefty thinking" but from experience that touches the depths of one's heart and soul, I believe. In addition, I look forward to many sumptuous and delicious banquets in heaven with loved ones. Metaphysically yours in the Lord!
Emotional romanticism is not a rational argument.
#AskAFriar why do some Dominicans wear a black and white habit and others an all white habit
Animals do not have souls. However, God loves us and He would want us to know they live somewhere in one of His Mansions?
The soul is an idea. My soul is the idea of myself. This idea is non material and exists in the mind of God. The soul related to my body is animated by the spirit. There are only two spirits The Holy Spirit that gives life and the spirit of the world that leads to death.
All souls are eternal. They are ideas and exist beyond and outside of time.
There is no reason to assume what you do about sentient animals that unlike us are not created in the image and likeness of God.
Jesus often uses the imagery of a wedding feast to describe His Father's Kingdom.
Happy Påske, Michael
Some of Aquinas’ opinions are false (as is the case with Peter Lombard and the rest of the medieval tradition)
When it comes to pets I hope he is wrong
Sorry Saint Thomas My animals will be with me in heaven ! What about Saint Roch would God are Father take his beloved dogs from Him I think Not There are so Many Saints who loved animals and Who the Lord had them love and taken care of
Firstly - souls who belong to bodily religions, such as Christianity, Islam, Buddhist, Jewish, Hindu and so on Do Not go to heaven. Why? because the founders of those religions begin in the Copper Age, approximately 2500 years ago. Their first birth is after heaven on earth, the Golden and Silver Ages. The Copper Age is after the fall of "man", hence why religions and the worship of God commenced. Heaven on earth is in Bharat (India) where the pure vice-less all virtuous deities ruled the globe, the reformed ones. These pure divine beings have been worshipped by most civilisations since their fall. At the end of the Iron Age which is now, these ancestor souls are destined to take their first birth in the Golden Age again, and thus this cycle of the Ages repeats eternally.
Do you adear to the Pope? I honestly dont know 😅 im only asking bc he said your pet will go to heaven. Personally I don't care but I'm more curious this channel lines up with the Catholic church.
Popes can be wrong. They are only infallible under certain conditions.
You could have just said, "No."
No, but he may get ressurrected.
I hope not. People are so stupid about their pets it would make heaven insufferable. Which would be an impossibility so St Thomas was right!
Good point
Could you do a video on Thomas Aquinas teaching that most people go to Hell?? Thanks.
"Since their eternal happiness, consisting in the vision of God, exceeds the common state of nature, and especially in so far as this is deprived of grace through the corruption of original sin, those who are saved are in the minority. In this especially, however, appears the mercy of God, that He has chosen some for that salvation, from which very many in accordance with the common course and tendency of nature fall short."
- Thomas Aquinas
No probably not