Somebody please help! Does anyone know the name of the background music at 26:10 of K&G's Alexander Balkan Campaign video? Link here: ruclips.net/video/SndWlYj9zQM/видео.html
I really thought of it myself 'hey that strategy of building two walls to make a siege was a thing before Caesar and he adopted it almost 400 years later?' No wonder he was one of the well-educated and wise men in Rome at that time. He must've read Thucydides!
@@riptawayyes but for the most part and the most "conventional" of them would negate their hellenic influence yet Caesar adored it, specially due to his glorification of Alexander
Great video but a small correction is needed. As a fellow Greek i know of the events well: the town of Platea was rebuild by its citizens after the Peloponnesian War but the Thebans destroyed it again after their victory at Leuctra in 371 BC and took their lands which made Athens bitterly disappointed with the Thebans. They then lost at the battle of Chaeronea in 338 against Phillip of Macedon and at the sack of Thebes by the forces of Alexander the Great the Plateans took their revenge and later rebuilt their town with the blessings of the Hellenic League
Isn't it ironic that Thebes burnt Platea to the ground, only for Alexander to give them the same treatment - utterly destroying the city, killing the men, and selling everyone else into slavery? Thebes sort of had it coming.
@@ParleLeVu It was also thecustom for the time. None of those things would be "out of place" to happen after. And if you had a blood revenge, you usually killed everyone. Resistance is Futile.
"What good thing did you do for Sparta". That was the question Spartans asked Plateans before kill them in that farce trial. How easily Greeks forget.... In order to not disappoint their Theban allies, they did not respect Platea as sacred ground and all that Plateans offered in Greco-Persian wars. Notably the Thebans fought for Persians a few years back in the battle of Platea.
I dont think many commanders of Caesers time would have taken the strategy he took at Alesia. It was highly unorthodox and high risk. I think most commanders in that same position would not have held like Caeser did it was his character that won the battle, few men could inspire like Caeser did.
The videos you make are always so detailed and interesting. As a college history professor, I teach survey courses, I have shared my lectures as a free resource for people. What I like about your channel is you do a deep dive into many topics I don't have time to cover in my courses. I often tell my students to watch some of your videos to get more detail on battles we talk about in class.
As a history professor you must know 2000 years ago the greeks didnt had forests ! Where did they getted the wood to make a pallisade ??? A big pat of this story realy happend , but not the pallisade part . Even IF they had the manpower to realise this there was no wood available, Greece was most of the time mountens and farmland . And for this reason battles where always been foght on the same territories, Because a rocky terrain could brake a phalanx...
@@Nestoras_Zogopoulos Where talking about 2400 years ago . I am desparatly waiting to learn more of the classic greek history. I readed all possible books about the ancient greeks. Not even one greek writer maded anny notian of a siege with a wooden pallisade . Just didnt readed about it of all greek old history writers. Greek history writers where writing all the battles where been fought on the same places, because the landscape was evrywhere to rocky . Thermopylai is also changed in 2400 years... Also a place where manny battles have been fought. Sorry for my bad englisch writing , I am not used to write englisch, never had englisch lessons; But also the old historic
@@peterderidder9922 Search up Ancient Greek siege warfare and that should suffice; There were quite a few innovations on that front, though not all were successful, for example look up helepolis siege engine. Greece is rocky, yes, but its not some kind of arid hellhole, it had and has a typical mediterranian climate, the existance of forest can easily be seen by the mythology of the Ancient Greeks which frequently mentions Forests and lesser gods and goddesses living in them. I must admit im very flabbergasted by this claim, you seem to have a very skewed notion of the Greek climate. Besides how did they makes so many ships if wood wasnt available, not to mention that the population of the time was much smaller and thusly in need of much less resources anyhow.
I know that talking nowadays is easy because we knew the situation in general, but Athena literally told the city not to surrender, and the city did not surrender and waited for help, and yet Athena did not help, worse, Athena let them starve and soon after die executed, apparently the "good relationship" between Athenas and Plataea was only on one side.
@@Nemesis14423 I wouldn't say Sparta was a better option, I think it was just Plataea's misfortune to be located on the border between two great powers of the time;
@@thelastsamurai5401 Sparta was a much better option Sparta helped its allies and was much stronger than Athens but in my opinion neutrality was the true best option but the mad people of plataea choose to suffer and die as puppets of the Evil Athens.
@@Nemesis14423 If Plataea was a neutral city it would be quickly destroyed, as it would be alone in the middle of 2 very powerful leagues, and Sparta only helped her allies because she knew that Athena was too cowardly to leave the walls with troops, if Palataea was a city with a port Athena would certainly send her navy to help.
This channel and its videos are so good to watch, telling me new things and reinforcing stuff I already knew. I've even recommended you guys to my Uni History lecturer.
Sparta after the Battle of Plataea during the Persian invasion: "Plataea is sacred! We will defend it against any who wish to attack it!" Sparta to Plataea during the Peloponnesian War: "💀"
@@Nemesis14423 Hindsight can cloud the reasoning long past, there is much evidence to suggest that the city did not accept neutrality as it would of saw it's bitter foes use Sparta against the city and over time the same result of could come to pass just without the same level of resistance.
@@georgezachos7322 γεια σου απο Μελβουρνη [πατρινοπουλο...] στο προηγουμενο βιντεο τους ελεγα... ''απορειτε γιατι εμεις οι Ελληνες απεχουμε αδιαφοροι απο τα γεοπολιτικα?.... ειναι γιατι μαθαμε την ματαιοτητα τους χιλιαδες χρονια πριν''.... χαχαχα [δεν απαντησε κανεις ομως να γελασουμε...]
Spartans tried to build a. highway on the Plateans' walls but the Plateans were digging under it. When the Spartans realized it and faced it by using clay which made it stable, then the Plateans built new walls inside old walls so the ramp couldn't pass their defence. Great engineering war in Platea
This is insane 2 video about the same city !!! And also the fact that ceasar used the same tactics 350 years later is just crazy thanks kings and generals for these incredibly well done videos !!
Another brilliant series. From kings and generals brilliant. We always appreciate your time and hard work towards these videos. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
King and General, i really hope you can cover a documentary series for ancient SE Asia kingdoms in the future. It had such rich and interesting history that people need to know more about. Such as Khmer, Champa, Srivijaya, Dai Viet, Funan, Malacca Sultanate, Majapahit, Ayutthaya (Siam), Butuan Rajahnate etc.
The Funeral Oration of Pericles and the subsequent Plague of Athens is perhaps the most fascinating part of Thucydides. We cover it in a video on the channel, along with Nietzsche's interpretation. Check it out if you're interested. This was a great video, as always!
I listened to an audiobook of Thucydides "Peloponnesian War" and was honestly bored through the majority of it. Thanks for covering this in a more entertaining way.
You forgot to mention that the initial Theban invasion was also thwarted by the weather being on Plataea's side. And there were also people blockading the streets in the dark and then women and slaves hurling rocks and tiles at them from above while they were trying to get out.
**not trying to be a jerk just trying to get an error corrected!!!** Phillip didn’t rebuild Plataea in 381 BC he rebuilt it in 338 BC, after it had already been rebuilt and then destroyed again. Phillip the II was one year old in 381 BC so kinda hard picturing him making a power play against Thebes for control of Greece lol
Great visuals. I can't believe that the old strategy to keep a besieged city starved to death can work in the long run. It seems that rarely a battle is won on the battlefield, but rather to a a besieged city.
It's remarkable how much of history can be boiled down to: Army 1: We have spent generations mastering the art of war. Our warriors are the finest in the world. Army 2: Lol, walls.
What the Thebans did to the Plataeans was morally unjustified but it did contribute to their eventual domination over the Boeotian league after the Peloponnesian war and during the Theban hegemony in the 360s.
Thanks for the video. One suggestion is to use higher contrast between the blue and purple when you show who controls the cities. In a crowded image, the higher contrast will help.
This war was the beggining of the end for the powerfull Greek city states of Athens and Sparta. The end of the war found both cities exchausted and unable to resist to Thebes and latter to Macedon. Lack of Panhellenic vision condamned the Greeks forced to unite latter on by Phillip of Macedon..Such a pity.
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Somebody please help! Does anyone know the name of the background music at 26:10 of K&G's Alexander Balkan Campaign video? Link here: ruclips.net/video/SndWlYj9zQM/видео.html
Ah, the Battle of Plataea. A key moment of unity among the Greeks in their history.
*checks notes*
Hey....wait a minute....
50 years later....
@@user-McGiver In Spongebob voice
@@nomooon there is a hidden msg there... ''nobody f*cks with the Greeks....but the Greeks!....'' [ like in any family...]
I really thought of it myself 'hey that strategy of building two walls to make a siege was a thing before Caesar and he adopted it almost 400 years later?' No wonder he was one of the well-educated and wise men in Rome at that time. He must've read Thucydides!
So wise he got himself topped.
@@BOZ_11Not everyone. Khalid ibn al Walid comes to mind, similarly undefeated and died of natural causes.
Caesar was Roman nobility. All Roman nobles(well, the males at least), would have had pretty extensive education in Greek philosophy and writings.
@@riptawayyes but for the most part and the most "conventional" of them would negate their hellenic influence yet Caesar adored it, specially due to his glorification of Alexander
@@BOZ_11Constantine the Great would like to have a word.
Great video but a small correction is needed. As a fellow Greek i know of the events well: the town of Platea was rebuild by its citizens after the Peloponnesian War but the Thebans destroyed it again after their victory at Leuctra in 371 BC and took their lands which made Athens bitterly disappointed with the Thebans. They then lost at the battle of Chaeronea in 338 against Phillip of Macedon and at the sack of Thebes by the forces of Alexander the Great the Plateans took their revenge and later rebuilt their town with the blessings of the Hellenic League
Exactly what I thought, there’s a small error, Philip of Macedon couldn’t have beaten the Thebans in 381BCE since he was born in 382BCE
Isn't it ironic that Thebes burnt Platea to the ground, only for Alexander to give them the same treatment - utterly destroying the city, killing the men, and selling everyone else into slavery?
Thebes sort of had it coming.
@@ParleLeVuNah, Thebes removed Spartan power. It was about time someone crushed those megalomaniacs.
@@ParleLeVu It was also thecustom for the time. None of those things would be "out of place" to happen after. And if you had a blood revenge, you usually killed everyone. Resistance is Futile.
"What good thing did you do for Sparta".
That was the question Spartans asked Plateans before kill them in that farce trial. How easily Greeks forget....
In order to not disappoint their Theban allies, they did not respect Platea as sacred ground and all that Plateans offered in Greco-Persian wars.
Notably the Thebans fought for Persians a few years back in the battle of Platea.
No wonder Caesar was a quick learner at Alesia
Even by his day nothing was original lol
Indeed
Why invent a new strategy, when one aldready exists that suits your plans perfectly!
@@samanyupalthi agreed
I dont think many commanders of Caesers time would have taken the strategy he took at Alesia. It was highly unorthodox and high risk. I think most commanders in that same position would not have held like Caeser did it was his character that won the battle, few men could inspire like Caeser did.
The videos you make are always so detailed and interesting. As a college history professor, I teach survey courses, I have shared my lectures as a free resource for people. What I like about your channel is you do a deep dive into many topics I don't have time to cover in my courses. I often tell my students to watch some of your videos to get more detail on battles we talk about in class.
As a history professor you must know 2000 years ago the greeks didnt had forests ! Where did they getted the wood to make a pallisade ??? A big pat of this story realy happend , but not the pallisade part . Even IF they had the manpower to realise this there was no wood available, Greece was most of the time mountens and farmland . And for this reason battles where always been foght on the same territories, Because a rocky terrain could brake a phalanx...
@@peterderidder9922 what made you think Ancient Greece didnt have forests? a 5second search of academic papers can disprove this nonsense😂
@@Nestoras_Zogopoulos Where talking about 2400 years ago . I am desparatly waiting to learn more of the classic greek history. I readed all possible books about the ancient greeks. Not even one greek writer maded anny notian of a siege with a wooden pallisade . Just didnt readed about it of all greek old history writers. Greek history writers where writing all the battles where been fought on the same places, because the landscape was evrywhere to rocky . Thermopylai is also changed in 2400 years... Also a place where manny battles have been fought. Sorry for my bad englisch writing , I am not used to write englisch, never had englisch lessons; But also the old historic
@@peterderidder9922 Search up Ancient Greek siege warfare and that should suffice; There were quite a few innovations on that front, though not all were successful, for example look up helepolis siege engine. Greece is rocky, yes, but its not some kind of arid hellhole, it had and has a typical mediterranian climate, the existance of forest can easily be seen by the mythology of the Ancient Greeks which frequently mentions Forests and lesser gods and goddesses living in them. I must admit im very flabbergasted by this claim, you seem to have a very skewed notion of the Greek climate. Besides how did they makes so many ships if wood wasnt available, not to mention that the population of the time was much smaller and thusly in need of much less resources anyhow.
None of these videos on ancient history should have ever been patron exclusive. This content is why I subscribed in the first place
Man, Caesar must have read Thucydides before his war with the Gauls.
Yes!
Thank you again Kings and Generals!
Please more Greek history! ❤
So much interesting events during this period, i wish mainstream would make more series about ancient history.
I was just thinking the back and fourth in this story would be a great series
I know that talking nowadays is easy because we knew the situation in general, but Athena literally told the city not to surrender, and the city did not surrender and waited for help, and yet Athena did not help, worse, Athena let them starve and soon after die executed, apparently the "good relationship" between Athenas and Plataea was only on one side.
Platea was very fool to side with athens.
@@Nemesis14423 I wouldn't say Sparta was a better option, I think it was just Plataea's misfortune to be located on the border between two great powers of the time;
Athens was 100% pro-Athens. Not so much for her allies (more or less tributaries).
@@thelastsamurai5401 Sparta was a much better option Sparta helped its allies and was much stronger than Athens but in my opinion neutrality was the true best option but the mad people of plataea choose to suffer and die as puppets of the Evil Athens.
@@Nemesis14423 If Plataea was a neutral city it would be quickly destroyed, as it would be alone in the middle of 2 very powerful leagues, and Sparta only helped her allies because she knew that Athena was too cowardly to leave the walls with troops, if Palataea was a city with a port Athena would certainly send her navy to help.
This channel and its videos are so good to watch, telling me new things and reinforcing stuff I already knew. I've even recommended you guys to my Uni History lecturer.
Sparta after the Battle of Plataea during the Persian invasion: "Plataea is sacred! We will defend it against any who wish to attack it!"
Sparta to Plataea during the Peloponnesian War: "💀"
Should’ve accepted the neutrality offer.
Plataea betrayed sparta sparta tried to make a peace offer but the plateans made the most foolish decision in history.
@@Nemesis14423 Hindsight can cloud the reasoning long past, there is much evidence to suggest that the city did not accept neutrality as it would of saw it's bitter foes use Sparta against the city and over time the same result of could come to pass just without the same level of resistance.
I really dig the new visuals
Superb aren't they? Genuinely first class
Like a kid at Christmas I'm get so happy when this amazing channel releases new content. Thank you so much❤❤❤❤❤❤
To fellow Greeks. You know the phrase: 'ανδρών επιφανών πάσα γη τάφος'. Here we hear it once again. :)
Γεια σου Ζαχο..!
@@user-McGiver Γειά σου φίλε!
@@georgezachos7322 γεια σου απο Μελβουρνη [πατρινοπουλο...] στο προηγουμενο βιντεο τους ελεγα... ''απορειτε γιατι εμεις οι Ελληνες απεχουμε αδιαφοροι απο τα γεοπολιτικα?.... ειναι γιατι μαθαμε την ματαιοτητα τους χιλιαδες χρονια πριν''.... χαχαχα [δεν απαντησε κανεις ομως να γελασουμε...]
Spartans tried to build a. highway on the Plateans' walls but the Plateans were digging under it. When the Spartans realized it and faced it by using clay which made it stable, then the Plateans built new walls inside old walls so the ramp couldn't pass their defence.
Great engineering war in Platea
This is insane 2 video about the same city !!! And also the fact that ceasar used the same tactics 350 years later is just crazy thanks kings and generals for these incredibly well done videos !!
Another brilliant series. From kings and generals brilliant. We always appreciate your time and hard work towards these videos. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴.
King and General, i really hope you can cover a documentary series for ancient SE Asia kingdoms in the future. It had such rich and interesting history that people need to know more about.
Such as Khmer, Champa, Srivijaya, Dai Viet, Funan, Malacca Sultanate, Majapahit, Ayutthaya (Siam), Butuan Rajahnate etc.
Kings and Generals, you are simply great! I enjoy your videos so much! Thank you and have a great summer :)
You guys keep getting better and better!
I just went to Olympia(peloppones) yesterday. Impressive
What a wonderful video! The Peloponnesian War is one of the most fascinating events of ancient history. ⚔🔥🙌
Thank you Ks and Gs . You always keep me informed and entertained. Great job!
Part2 already! lets go!
Naupactos is shown in the Peloponnesian League, but if I'm not mistaken, it was an Athenian naval base at the beginning of the war
Failing to even attempt a relief of an ally is a deathblow to an alliance. Credibility is everything in an alliance.
Excellent lecture, I'm fired up and looking forward to more..........
will watch all when more episodes are on and binwatch this!
Never knew before how fascinating Peloppenesian War is. When I took ancient history, this war was completely glossed over by my professor.
Kings and Generals is the best of the lot, new graphics are crystal clear 4k first rate solid gold
Man I just started playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey just to see this channel post this video. Crazy.
Great video y'all... thanks!
Glad your covering this.
Great work!
Oh my god thank you kings for covering more Ancient Greece ❤️👍
underrated series and channel
Thank you!
Why have you not told me about this battle earlier K&G? It has all of my favorite things.
The Funeral Oration of Pericles and the subsequent Plague of Athens is perhaps the most fascinating part of Thucydides. We cover it in a video on the channel, along with Nietzsche's interpretation. Check it out if you're interested. This was a great video, as always!
Another excellent documentary!
Man, we got a sea battle and a siege? Yall are spoiling us 😁
Thank you for the video I really didn't know anything about this or maybe the information just got lost on me.
Love this series
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Are you planning a series on punic wars
Yep
I listened to an audiobook of Thucydides "Peloponnesian War" and was honestly bored through the majority of it. Thanks for covering this in a more entertaining way.
That walled city is so familiar for some reason
Awesome thanks!!
You know we want early roman history before the panic wars
And the panic wars too ?
Hi sir which software used for vedios editing
Really great and also waiting for the second Roman civil war 🙂🙂
i hope you will make a series on the 80 years war.
Sir which software used for vedios editing please reply me
what a friday!
Intressant som vanligt.
AWESOME
I remember when i fought in this battle
great series
nice job guys
17:44 *338 BC, not 381 BC.
Twist and turns coming up.
You forgot to mention that the initial Theban invasion was also thwarted by the weather being on Plataea's side. And there were also people blockading the streets in the dark and then women and slaves hurling rocks and tiles at them from above while they were trying to get out.
After this series, i hope you could release the war of italian unification for non-membership/free users
Man hasn’t changed.
Great video, very informative. Thanks
5:43 "Ανδρών επιφανών πάσα γη τάφος" The whole earth is the tomb of famous men.
"Here on this wretched patch of earth called Platea: Xerxes hordes, face, Obliteration!!!!!!!"
+ Helios
Ah yes, circumvallation. The master before their legends.
We need more roman history again😢
Be patient. They won’t disappoint us
very good video. well also know who won the war Sparta
Excellent video 📹 Platea wad sacrificed
**not trying to be a jerk just trying to get an error corrected!!!** Phillip didn’t rebuild Plataea in 381 BC he rebuilt it in 338 BC, after it had already been rebuilt and then destroyed again. Phillip the II was one year old in 381 BC so kinda hard picturing him making a power play against Thebes for control of Greece lol
Great visuals.
I can't believe that the old strategy to keep a besieged city starved to death can work in the long run. It seems that rarely a battle is won on the battlefield, but rather to a a besieged city.
Is biweekly Ukrainian video coming soon? I know there’s a lot that’s happened recently but you are my favorite source of info regarding the war!
Yep
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waiting for next episode for ottoman series...
waiting there with u bro.
i never subscribe to channels ... but if sb deserves it its K&G !
That's a bad thing Kings and Generals views are decreasing slowly
It is a problem across RUclips, a bit seasonal, a bit connected to the global events.
Looooove dis vid
Achaemenids just chillin' over there
It's remarkable how much of history can be boiled down to:
Army 1: We have spent generations mastering the art of war. Our warriors are the finest in the world.
Army 2: Lol, walls.
I am a simple man I see Caesar in the title I click.
I admired greek history but the game assassins creed odyssey was set during this time and i became intrigued
Why do episodes of the pacific war never actually release on Tuesday
What the Thebans did to the Plataeans was morally unjustified but it did contribute to their eventual domination over the Boeotian league after the Peloponnesian war and during the Theban hegemony in the 360s.
I hope mankind will never run out of conflicts :S. The way you cover, and explain these are very helpful and educational.
This is something I must ask, on the map of the Vedio Argos was the nearest of all the athenean allies and why didn't the take it earlier ?
You should cover one of the most advanced civilizations the Thracians , the Greeks learned a lot of them
Anybody else thinking that a Peloponnesian campaign must’ve been added to Total War Troy?
There is one called Wrath of Sparta.but its in rome 2 total war
RIP the people of Plataea.
thoses AC Odyssey vibe's 🥶
Any ottoman video coming?
Soon
4:49 -'Sir, this is a Wendy's'
Thanks for the video. One suggestion is to use higher contrast between the blue and purple when you show who controls the cities. In a crowded image, the higher contrast will help.
Time to watch some little squares dance
Curioso que César uso la misma táctica en Alessia
This war was the beggining of the end for the powerfull Greek city states of Athens and Sparta. The end of the war found both cities exchausted and unable to resist to Thebes and latter to Macedon. Lack of Panhellenic vision condamned the Greeks forced to unite latter on by Phillip of Macedon..Such a pity.