I bought this for a vary different purpose. I wanted a pulley for drt top tie in that I put on an additional line and pull up. Then when at the top a clip across from the pulley to a butterfly in the additional line for extra safety. Then I can reposition the whole drt at the top without Messing with the zig zag. Only an amateur rec climber, but it seems to work for that really well over putting up a friction saver.
I've been using the original for ages and the eccentric on a couple of climbs. The only difference I can find is that the eccentric is bigger, heavier and it's slightly easier to tend slake thanks to the flared base. Despite that, I don't see any reason to buy the new one unless you're in the market for this type of pulley, or you want the latest thing.
Do you actually find that it tends slack easier? That is the idea behind the flared edges but I don't think it really makes any difference in the real world...
Thanks! I’m just starting my climbing and still on double rope+ blake’s hitch.... at some point I’ll be buying a 3 ring pulley thanks for be the good info!
I climb with the bushing type pulley and I want to buy a newer pulley but for the amount of money the new one is and the middle hole being in line like that I say nope cause I actually like clipping into the middle hole on the old style because it is further out and just makes more sense I think easy to clip into I don't have to fight my eye to eye cord every time I unclip and clip into my system
The best thing they could have done was design the eccentric holes so that a spliced end on the climbing line was no longer necessary. But I'm not sure they did this with the new design. It looks like a spliced end is still necessary to avoid interference with the friction hitch.
That’s exactly the issue that I think is the most important thing to resolve. Safety and functionality should dictate a redesign of these devices to increase the efficacy of our friction management, and avoid interference from friction setting and holding when we need it.
You want those holes to be as close to the center of the pulley as possible, and their centers as close to each other, to reduce the loads on the frame. Leaving excess space so that the device could be used with non-spliced ends tied close would be a huge design compromise.
Thanks for the review. Late to the game on this video, but I still use the Hitch Climber/Rope Wrench combo. Awesome system. Honestly, I think the design goes backwards in terms of re-configuring the pulley for better integration with the Rope Wrench SRT climbing system. Aligning the holes vertically in the new pulley makes fighting for real estate between the hitch cord and the wrench even worse. The hitch cord, even in the original version, has to bend around the wrench to get by. My re-design for the wrench would have offset the center hole even more than on the original, not less. This would give the hitch cord more room to go by. And I would shift the top hole slight back from the bottom hole, (off line), so that the hitch cord doesn't half-cover that hole, making it more accessible for other accessories, like a work positioning carabiner. So in my design, none of the 3 holes are aligned with each other at all. The bottom hole is closet to the pulley, the top hole is a bit further back from that for accessories, and the middle hole is furthest away from the pulley giving ample room for the wrench. Awesome!
The only reason it would push the hitch up higher or have slightly less setback is because the pulley is slightly longer, therefore if using the same length hitch cord it will break the hitch a touch earlier. This can be changed on the original by using a slightly shorter length of cord.
Just getting started in arborist climbing, trying to save some money while building up equipment, wondering what the difference is between the DMM Hitch climber triple attachment pulley and the Epic Peak 30KN Triple Attachment Climbing Hitch Pulley?
@@ClimbingArborist Hey Dan, thanks for the reply. I was actually talking about a different pully. In eBay, The Epic Peak 30KN Triple Attachment Climbing Hitch Pulley costs 1/2 as much as a DMM Hitch Climber Triple Attachment Pulley - 1/2" rope - 30KN. Honestly, I'm not trying to sell this. I just couldn't see the functional difference between the two pulleys and when I saw your video thought I would ask.
crap, I think I found my answer; Climbing Gear Strength Rating and Testing Standards outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/7344/how-can-i-tell-if-chinese-rock-climbing-gear-is-reliable I say "crap" because I couldn't resist the low price and had bought the pulley. I see no rating on this pulley and can't find any additional paperwork from the one I received. Well, there you have it, verifying the safety of safety equipment is expensive.
Hi Paul, yes there is almost a Chinese produced version of every piece of hardware on the market. When it’s life support and when you see the processes that a company like DMM go through to manufacture their products, and the numerous safety inspections along the production line, you would never ever think twice about spend the extra dollars on the real deal as opposed to a Chinese copy. It might look the same but that is where the comparisons end. Climb safe ....
Thank you for your honesty I try it too and I did not see any difference just like you say I have the old one and it works the same as the new thank you very much you save me some money I was going to buy the new one
Cheers for the comment Mike! To many people across social media platforms giving biased perspectives, I need to make it clear my views are always unbiased, whether I've been given the equipment or paid for the equipment.
@@ClimbingArborist And that part of why I like your channel. "Here's my opinion based on actual use of a product. You may agree, you may disagree, but I'm not giving a paid opinion". Need more straight talk like that in the world.
I think I figured out why the WLL rating is different. If you compare the original triple attachment pulley vs the rapide, the WLL is 7kn vs 3kn. Bushings have always seemed to be stronger in the same size pulley. I's not sure why that is but I'm guessing the bushing is less resistant to crushing due to surface area? The shive on the eccentric seems larger and probably a better designed bearing to take the loads better thus going from 3kn to 6kn. Thanks for the review! I think I will be getting the eccentric to replace my original hitch climber pulley and use the original for a second line I've started to use for better work positioning.
Question. You said in one of your videos that the hitch climber should not be used with a termination knot when DRT. My 150’ climbing rope does not have the eyes. I would imagine that for me to use the hitch climber I would use a termination knot. And other side tie my friction knot. What do you suggest in place of the termination knot?
Only thing I can see is it would be easier on your rope with a better bend radius coming into the pully. Helpfull if your rope is going 180 up around a branch while descending. Havent tryed just my 2 cents
Good update on the HCP. Nothing to do with the HCP, not sure if you know that in the UK HSE has stipulated all tree climbing must be carried out with twin rope ( work placement and fall arrest) can you produce a video on the technique. I use a ZigZag on my work positioning rope and a Camp Goblin on the fall arrest rope.
I am aware of the changes in the U.K. It would be silly of me to make a video on this subject at this time, as I am not climbing in this way on a regular basis, so my viewpoint wouldn't be a true reflection of you guys and girls in the U.K. that now climb like this every day.
one year out now... do you still feel the same way? after having had the chance to use this some more, it is still not entirely needed/worth it if you already have the high climber?
Honest & professional review, thank you. Haven’t had a play myself yet but a good friend has got one, & after years of using & admiring the hitch climber, the opinion to date is they’ve pretty much tried to reinvent the wheel! 🤪
I didn't see any need to change to the rapide until I tried a friends. I think it made a reasonably big difference when branch walking or working against your line(rope over a limb and not directly going to the ground) which meant I didn't have to feed my rope everywhere I went. I'd imagine this improves on this and I'd probably get one if buying a new one, although certainly not necessary
You’re right, this is the only slight evolution that you can feel. The ends of the prusik cord stick better to the pulley with the original than with the eccentric. So the prusik cord with the same length is less tight with the original than with the eccentric. Midd hole is better on the normal...
Great review I think I’ll stick to my Rapide. My first love...lol but again great break down and giving us honest positive feedback. Keep up the good work as always love the channel.
Hey I'm curious if the hitch climber eccentric is safe to use on your bridge. For multiple tie in and less wear on bridge? Thanks for the video and God bless!
Nice extensive review! But the I think the flared edges and higher efficiency bearing is for tail deflection over limbs you've past and not brought your tail with you? Did you notice that much? Looking into buying one myself.
Hi Issac, I don't know the answer to that. If I were to guess, I'm sure the old one will be phased out but I'm sure there are so many in circulation it will be a while...
When you use the hitch climber and SRT setup where do you hook your chest ascender up to on there the middle hole on the hitch climber itself thank you
I use a regular micro pulley and cant think of any reason to spend the 75 on a pulley that is used just for tending slack. My rope wrench has an attachment point for a chest harness so maybe that's why I dont see the need for three holes. What am I missing here...
New subscriber and just dipping my toe in arbor climbing.
I do really appreciate the balance in this and your other reviews.
Enjoy watching. Thanks.
Thanks for your kind comments Eric, glad you enjoyed the review, I will always give my unbiased, personal opinion.
I bought this for a vary different purpose. I wanted a pulley for drt top tie in that I put on an additional line and pull up. Then when at the top a clip across from the pulley to a butterfly in the additional line for extra safety. Then I can reposition the whole drt at the top without Messing with the zig zag. Only an amateur rec climber, but it seems to work for that really well over putting up a friction saver.
I've been using the original for ages and the eccentric on a couple of climbs. The only difference I can find is that the eccentric is bigger, heavier and it's slightly easier to tend slake thanks to the flared base. Despite that, I don't see any reason to buy the new one unless you're in the market for this type of pulley, or you want the latest thing.
Do you actually find that it tends slack easier? That is the idea behind the flared edges but I don't think it really makes any difference in the real world...
@@ClimbingArborist If I changed my technique it might make a different, but I've noticed a difference in the way I do it.
Thanks! I’m just starting my climbing and still on double rope+ blake’s hitch.... at some point I’ll be buying a 3 ring pulley thanks for be the good info!
Love the honesty and keep up the good work stay safe up there.
Thanks for the comment 🤙
I climb with the bushing type pulley and I want to buy a newer pulley but for the amount of money the new one is and the middle hole being in line like that I say nope cause I actually like clipping into the middle hole on the old style because it is further out and just makes more sense I think easy to clip into I don't have to fight my eye to eye cord every time I unclip and clip into my system
The best thing they could have done was design the eccentric holes so that a spliced end on the climbing line was no longer necessary. But I'm not sure they did this with the new design. It looks like a spliced end is still necessary to avoid interference with the friction hitch.
That’s exactly the issue that I think is the most important thing to resolve. Safety and functionality should dictate a redesign of these devices to increase the efficacy of our friction management, and avoid interference from friction setting and holding when we need it.
You want those holes to be as close to the center of the pulley as possible, and their centers as close to each other, to reduce the loads on the frame. Leaving excess space so that the device could be used with non-spliced ends tied close would be a huge design compromise.
People love your info and insight. Over 52k subscribers, that is cool.
Thank you for your comment bro! We try and give good quality, useful information to the arb community of all different kinds
Thanks for the review. Late to the game on this video, but I still use the Hitch Climber/Rope Wrench combo. Awesome system. Honestly, I think the design goes backwards in terms of re-configuring the pulley for better integration with the Rope Wrench SRT climbing system. Aligning the holes vertically in the new pulley makes fighting for real estate between the hitch cord and the wrench even worse. The hitch cord, even in the original version, has to bend around the wrench to get by. My re-design for the wrench would have offset the center hole even more than on the original, not less. This would give the hitch cord more room to go by. And I would shift the top hole slight back from the bottom hole, (off line), so that the hitch cord doesn't half-cover that hole, making it more accessible for other accessories, like a work positioning carabiner. So in my design, none of the 3 holes are aligned with each other at all. The bottom hole is closet to the pulley, the top hole is a bit further back from that for accessories, and the middle hole is furthest away from the pulley giving ample room for the wrench. Awesome!
Appreciate your comment very much 👍
I thought your review was spot on. Imo its exactly what you said.
Thanks for the comment 🤙
thanks for the honest appraisal
Thanks dude, that is what we aim to do.
Absolutely love your review series! Also love the wall of shirts! Great setup Dan,😊
Thanks for this review! Did you notice if it pushed the hitch up higher when tending slack or reduced any sitback compared to the old model?
The only reason it would push the hitch up higher or have slightly less setback is because the pulley is slightly longer, therefore if using the same length hitch cord it will break the hitch a touch earlier. This can be changed on the original by using a slightly shorter length of cord.
Porsche GT3 is good enough for me.....thanks for the info. Honest and detailed.
I think you missed the point, Dan. The Eccentric is far better, for Toby Sherrill.
Just getting started in arborist climbing, trying to save some money while building up equipment, wondering what the difference is between the DMM Hitch climber triple attachment pulley and the Epic Peak 30KN Triple Attachment Climbing Hitch Pulley?
Watch this video, I think I explain everything you need to know
@@ClimbingArborist Hey Dan, thanks for the reply. I was actually talking about a different pully. In eBay, The Epic Peak 30KN Triple Attachment Climbing Hitch Pulley costs 1/2 as much as a DMM Hitch Climber Triple Attachment Pulley - 1/2" rope - 30KN. Honestly, I'm not trying to sell this. I just couldn't see the functional difference between the two pulleys and when I saw your video thought I would ask.
crap, I think I found my answer;
Climbing Gear Strength Rating and Testing Standards outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/7344/how-can-i-tell-if-chinese-rock-climbing-gear-is-reliable
I say "crap" because I couldn't resist the low price and had bought the pulley. I see no rating on this pulley and can't find any additional paperwork from the one I received. Well, there you have it, verifying the safety of safety equipment is expensive.
Hi Paul, yes there is almost a Chinese produced version of every piece of hardware on the market. When it’s life support and when you see the processes that a company like DMM go through to manufacture their products, and the numerous safety inspections along the production line, you would never ever think twice about spend the extra dollars on the real deal as opposed to a Chinese copy. It might look the same but that is where the comparisons end.
Climb safe ....
Thank you for your honesty I try it too and I did not see any difference just like you say I have the old one and it works the same as the new thank you very much you save me some money I was going to buy the new one
Great review as always Dan, well done! It looks like the Eccentric would handle larger rope or maybe the flaring creates the illusion??
Think it handles the same diameter but it does give the impression of more space
Thanks for the review. I missed the first part of the review because I was still laughing at the disclaimers. :)
Cheers for the comment Mike! To many people across social media platforms giving biased perspectives, I need to make it clear my views are always unbiased, whether I've been given the equipment or paid for the equipment.
@@ClimbingArborist And that part of why I like your channel. "Here's my opinion based on actual use of a product. You may agree, you may disagree, but I'm not giving a paid opinion". Need more straight talk like that in the world.
I think I figured out why the WLL rating is different. If you compare the original triple attachment pulley vs the rapide, the WLL is 7kn vs 3kn. Bushings have always seemed to be stronger in the same size pulley. I's not sure why that is but I'm guessing the bushing is less resistant to crushing due to surface area?
The shive on the eccentric seems larger and probably a better designed bearing to take the loads better thus going from 3kn to 6kn.
Thanks for the review! I think I will be getting the eccentric to replace my original hitch climber pulley and use the original for a second line I've started to use for better work positioning.
yes, bushings are best for heavy slow loads, bearings best for light and fast. ISC explain this on their website.
Brilliant review thanks Dan!
Question. You said in one of your videos that the hitch climber should not be used with a termination knot when DRT. My 150’ climbing rope does not have the eyes. I would imagine that for me to use the hitch climber I would use a termination knot. And other side tie my friction knot. What do you suggest in place of the termination knot?
Only thing I can see is it would be easier on your rope with a better bend radius coming into the pully. Helpfull if your rope is going 180 up around a branch while descending. Havent tryed just my 2 cents
Great review but now that you touched in the rope and hitch combinations i will like to ask you where could i get that rope you hot on the video??
NuGreen arborist supplies, its called Yale Northern lights
Good update on the HCP. Nothing to do with the HCP, not sure if you know that in the UK HSE has stipulated all tree climbing must be carried out with twin rope ( work placement and fall arrest) can you produce a video on the technique. I use a ZigZag on my work positioning rope and a Camp Goblin on the fall arrest rope.
I am aware of the changes in the U.K.
It would be silly of me to make a video on this subject at this time, as I am not climbing in this way on a regular basis, so my viewpoint wouldn't be a true reflection of you guys and girls in the U.K. that now climb like this every day.
Far comment in your answer 're two rope video. Thanks anyway and keep up the great content.
Does the Eccentric's flared bottom have an advantage for rapid descent?
Liking the product reviews. Should do a comparison of the rope wrench vs. The chicane with eye2eye and with mechanical
one year out now... do you still feel the same way? after having had the chance to use this some more, it is still not entirely needed/worth it if you already have the high climber?
thank you for the video and your opinion
Honest & professional review, thank you.
Haven’t had a play myself yet but a good friend has got one, & after years of using & admiring the hitch climber, the opinion to date is they’ve pretty much tried to reinvent the wheel! 🤪
I decided to get the old one because of the middle hole. Dunno why they changed that.
I didn't see any need to change to the rapide until I tried a friends. I think it made a reasonably big difference when branch walking or working against your line(rope over a limb and not directly going to the ground) which meant I didn't have to feed my rope everywhere I went. I'd imagine this improves on this and I'd probably get one if buying a new one, although certainly not necessary
You’re right, this is the only slight evolution that you can feel.
The ends of the prusik cord stick better to the pulley with the original than with the eccentric. So the prusik cord with the same length is less tight with the original than with the eccentric.
Midd hole is better on the normal...
Great review I think I’ll stick to my Rapide. My first love...lol but again great break down and giving us honest positive feedback. Keep up the good work as always love the channel.
Hey I'm curious if the hitch climber eccentric is safe to use on your bridge. For multiple tie in and less wear on bridge? Thanks for the video and God bless!
No. When you twist and turn, there’s torsion put on the side plate and it’s not meant for that. Better off getting a swivel
Nice extensive review! But the I think the flared edges and higher efficiency bearing is for tail deflection over limbs you've past and not brought your tail with you? Did you notice that much? Looking into buying one myself.
Particularly if you run a ring on your bridge, so the hitchclimber can't move to efficiently sort tail movement through the pulley.
Will they still be producing the original hitch climber ? Or will it become obsolete ?
Hi Issac, I don't know the answer to that. If I were to guess, I'm sure the old one will be phased out but I'm sure there are so many in circulation it will be a while...
Excellent !!
LOVE
When you use the hitch climber and SRT setup where do you hook your chest ascender up to on there the middle hole on the hitch climber itself thank you
You clip your neck tether or chest harness/tether to the middle hole (or even the top hole if you so wish)
@@ClimbingArborist on the actual hitch pulley correct
Would that setup cost as much as the zigzag?
no, less than half
Diy Arborist thought it mite be round about the same! Iv got the zigzag tho after watching this I'm thinking about trying it out. Thanks👍🏻
Hard to go wrong with the zig zag
Diy Arborist i use it all the time. Tho I do like setups like that one! Good to change things up now& then.
Hey man I know it's been a year but I'm doing research and how do you feel about the dmm eccentric as a bridge attachment?
It's not the right pulley for that job. Something like the Rock Exotica hydra would be suitable if you want multiple attachment points
@@ClimbingArborist thank you.
Love the videos 😁👍
The first pulley is Dmm Eccentric Hitch Climber, what's the second one?
DMM Triple attachment pulley (original hitch climber pulley)
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I'm still on the original trouble free.
I use a regular micro pulley and cant think of any reason to spend the 75 on a pulley that is used just for tending slack. My rope wrench has an attachment point for a chest harness so maybe that's why I dont see the need for three holes. What am I missing here...
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Anybody here still using a blakes hitch on the other end of the climb line to create a v-rig? 🖐
Evolution is sometimes slow... comes in leaps ;)
Thanks for the comment 🤙
Damn sexy for a pulley though !
The original dmm is not symmetrical. One end is actually tapered smaller.
bearings baby
Subscribed. I’d love to talk and ask some questions