Books mentioned in the talk 14:36 : Eric Kaufman - White Shift 26:20 : Paul R Brass - An Indian Political Life : Charan Singh and Congress Politics 28:15 : Rahi Masoom Raza (his literature was referred to, not any specific book)
In the sinful moments of our history it is a relief that fundamental questions are being raised and a soulful effort is being made to address them sincerely. It is this that gives hope. Thanks Apoorvanand and pratap bhanu mehta!
He is funded by anti Hindu accademics funded by evangelics in usa, If he does ot speak against hinduism he will not get funding from the evangelic dominated universities. And it is very famous for us in india
The other ofcourse is WaZeem bhai who now has 11 lakhs prize on his head. That's called speaking truth to Power where the MullaH can unleash a mob of unthinking irrational zombies and justify it as RighTful JiHad
Would love to see if he can sit with a mic in his hand next to the MuLlahs and ask them on what basis they justify HalaLa and if the successful JihAd in Kashmir should be replicated throughout India
Really chutiye samajwadi, if rss is abnormal that r you saying it is normal to collaborate frequently with communist Maoist pigs. Only rss have never collaborated with maoist communist chutiyas everyone else have already done that.
It has been a profound and exhilarating experience to listen and watch Prof. Mehtaji. No doubt, he deserves unmitigated and unrelenting support. And it is very much in our selfish interest to support him. I DARE SAY, IF WE DON'T SUPPORT HIM TODAY, TOMORROW WE WILL BE IN PERIL.
@@dheerajsp hey, man we ,here in India still have small tribe of connoisseur's who are dedicated to their stuff. By the way this guy is the real deal and a man we can be proud of unlike that idiot, who wants replicate the worst aspects of the west while , behaving like the gatekeeper of Indian culture and Hinduism.
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 Oh I know, and I'm happy to know a few of them myself. I agree on the 2nd part too. It's sad to see a lot of citizens being manipulated to believe he's a great or the only choice available when he clearly isn't. May 23rd is gonna be an interesting day.
It is hard to believe that I am watching such kind of discourse in the era of utter stupidity and ignorance. Well done the wire and mehta saab specially.
From the schools and colleges the subjects like literature, language, history, logic, social science are being brutally hounded out ! All the focus is on engineering and medicine or softwares! I also shuddered to think that how many would appreciate and assimilate this talk ! No popular tv channel would dare to show this type of talk !
So true, he offers no real substance just subjective thoughts. He starts with a Hindu principle of Samavad to get people to listen to him and then feels free to Cruze the same culture. Not a Modi fan at all but it seems if you can talk like an intellectual then there people who will listen doesn’t matter if you make sense
Its even harder to believe that KASHMIRI Hindu Genocide was never discussed by so called NEUTRAL media with depth in a country where Majority is Hindus. All are 'Bhatke huye youth' when hindus get killed.
@@lenovodolby7517 this also shows that you didn't watch the whole talk. PB Mehta squarely blamed the "pseudo-secularism" too. He criticized the banning of Satanic Verses. He criticized the Rajiv Gandhi regime for trying to monkeybalance the Hindu Nationalism and the Islamism
Thank you Prof. Apoorvanand... I always watch your video.. you are awesome and fine intellectual.. Prof. Mehta is a visionary, academy..and has been described as "one of India’s more thoughtful intellectuals"... Excellent lecture, brilliant analysis and interpretation with thoughtful & right examples and analogies. Problems with us...Intellectuals need to simplify the things for common man to understand... In all these discussions, we did not touch / discuss the power of technology, money and a clear goal of RSS - their determination & strategy .. They identified these key elements. The infrastructure in India has been ready with uneducated, poor and helpless common population... RSS grabbed this opportunity when Congress was in peak corruption and arrogance and people came out on the street.. "Hit the iron when it is hot"... RSS successfully implemented the strategy with money (Ambanis), technology, (telecom, main stream media, social media and other communication tools) and clear goal (Power)... Prof rightly said there is no credible alternative and RSS centrist organization has an edge over 100s of regional self centered parties unfortunately... In addition they have hijacked the election process, EVMs and weak voice and protest by opposition may bring them to power again... World has changed and on the verge of destruction..
बहुतही अच्छा संबोधन था और एकदम प्रासंगिक भी. असीमानंद जी का संचालन काफी सुचारु एवं सरल था . प्रोफेसर साहेब तो विचारोनका सागर लेकर चलते है, जीसे जितना चाहिये उतना भर भर लो ! धन्यवाद
@@Amitsexsena665 किसीं भी प्रगतींमुख समाज में संवाद, संबोधन एवं चर्चा का चलना बहुत आवश्यक होता हैं ! एकही विचारधारा को लेकर कोई समाज जिंदादिली नही दिखा नही सकता, पुरा ज्ञान एवं समज एकही व्यक्ती में संमलीत नही हो सकती . नाही उदयभानू जी , असीमानंद जी कोई चाटुकारिता का उदाहरण प्रस्तुत करते हैं नाही किसीं स्वरूप की चमचागीरी को उर्धृत करते हैं, आपको अगर ऐसा लगता हैं तो दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण हैं
@@bbhusari जब जीवन के नैतिक और सामाजिक मूल्यों पर चर्चा होती है तो उस को संस्कृति से जोड़ा जाता है ,, मेरा सेक्युलिज़्म लंदन से नही आया वो भी देशी है और वो है ये इस बात का सबूत है कि आज भारत मे सभी धर्मों के लोग अपना अपना धर्म निभाते हुए जी रहे है ,,, इन के विचारों में कश्मीरी पंडित कभी नही रहे ये ज्ञान की जिंदादिली नही है ,, लोकतंत्र में आप निष्पक्ष नही हो सकते और यदि लोकतंत में कोई निष्पक्ष है तो वो लोकतंत्र नही है,, रही बात जिंदादिली की तो वो यदि हम में नही होती तो आज भारत की डेमोग्राफी कुछ ओर होती ,,
Mr Mehta has to resign from Ashoka university because of his view on RSS. He is a legend , thank you for standing up for United India 🇮🇳. We stand with you 🙏🙏🙏🙏
बहुत शानदार चर्चा थी अपूर्वानंद जी और वायर की पूरी टीम को तहे दिल से शुक्रिया 🙏🙏🙏 मेहता जी बहुत खुले मन और विचार के साथ लिखते और बोलते हैं। बहुत लाजवाब प्रश्न और उतने ही अच्छे से जवाब भी थे। वायर की टीम से ही ऐसी शानदार प्रस्तुति की उम्मीद की जा सकती है।👍👍👍 बहुत बहुत शुक्रिया God bless
Brilliant analyses by Pratap Bhanu Mehta... very similar to the Canadian Institutionalist, Karl Polanyi's "double movement" explanation of the rise of fascism, nazism in the aftermath of the 1929 Great Depression LOVE THIS... THE WIRE, KEEP IT UP! AND, OF COURSE, HATS OFF TO BOTH Pratap Bhanu Mehta and Apoorvanand for standing up to the SANGHI-FASCISTs in our nation
Every community demands live and let live. The RSS had a grudge that Nehru imposed on US secularism, but RSS must also understand that they should not impose their values on others.
@@poorvasharma3881 nobody is restricting anyone from questioning Quran. But being a stooge of RSS and charged with corruption, one must judge who is demanding what. He is not demanding the right to criticize but wants to delete few parts of the Quran. it is like, I do not like the Quran so delete it. This is not a rational way. His credibility is weak both in terms of knowledge and as a citizen. Waseem Rizvi is a man riddled with corruption. His background is too problematic, as part of RSS. He was used by the BJP as a pro-Hindutva Muslim face. Please stand for human freedom which includes the right to criticize, the right to have and change religion, the right to choose food of one choice not lynched for eating beef, not killed for dating a Hindu Women.
@@MumtazShah786 Wahi to baat hai.. jo log bhi quran ko question karte hain wo RSS ke ho jaate hain.. Harris Sultan, Ayan Ali Hirsi aise logo ko sunnlo to lage Rizvi bhai to phir bhi bas 26 aayat ke liye bol rahe hain.. na sex slaves na multiple marriages ki koi baat ki, na quran ka ek homophobic kitaab hone ki.. aur bas ye puri duniya RSS ki ho gayi
@@MumtazShah786 Plz also give rights to mulhids to leave this suffocating cult and for letting MusLim men love other men and not kill apostates. Aur earth par kya homophobia jab jannAT mai gilmann bhi arrange kar rakhe hain AllAh mian ne? Itni munafkat mai kaise saans lete ho bhai?
If you are talking about political enactment of demographic hegemony and dominance in India, ....global history shows us that it could play out with any color...religion, ethnicity, regional affiliation etc., and with brutal and violent effects. The idea that the Indian polity will accept or acquire religious (hindu) hegemonic contour, is absolutely detrimental. With the scenario proposed by the RSS, does these communal, chaddi dumb-heads acknowledge or promulgate the idea that contextual minorities are free to disintegrate out of the Indian union ? ....a concept they already operated upon along with the muslim league that led to the partition of India?
Ohh come on look @ middle east it has color.... Look @ early Usa history even African (under British) and British history.... Ku klax klan and..... Hey man hitler look @ him they were not colorless has some method and way of spreading hegemony or if we say fascism
At least three four subjects you yolked in one reply....first,differences in the context itself that r global n indian..than he turn towards political economy..for instance resource allocation etc.. again globally n in Indian context..you r seeking an explanation sometimes through Marxist perspective at others cultural perspectives..he is talking about legitimization of the corrupt political- corporate, structural hegemony..you r talking about religious, racial , n nationality which is more identity discourse than, how economy works in real sense of trade n commerce, macroeconomy, market policy n forces...so basically he is talking of socio-political & socio-economic order in a govt-corporate nexus.. situation.. you're debating cultural conflicts...etc...
I visited BSNL office back in 2010. It was pristine, the building was like a monument or bhoot bangla and literally all the employees looked and talked like these two. They were old and had the same energy level.
The dictionary definition of communal, a logical corollary, is ‘pertaining to community, owned in common; shared.’ Hindus in India, on saying that they belong to a shared culture and a community, immediately provoke the secularists to make them ‘anti-secular’. A Hindu who says that India is his ancestral homeland and speaks for his traditions will become a chauvinist. Similarly, any criticism of past Muslim rulers or present Muslim aggression makes one a ‘communal’ enemy of public peace and national integration by the Leftists. Fascist as a swear word works when others like ‘reactionary’ or ‘revivalist’ do not stick. The dictionaries define a democrat as ‘one who adheres to or promotes democracy as a principle,’ and a fascist as ‘one who believes in using forceful methods’. Fascist attitude fits the Leftists better who swear by democracy while in the opposition. Their self-righteousness and intolerance of other points of view make them first-class fascists. They suspect and shout a conspiracy behind every move of every other party. It is difficult to understand how Leftists label themselves as democrats and happily denounce anyone disagreeing with them as fascists. The dictionaries are not helpful in decoding the Leftist language. With this language, the Leftists have made themselves as representatives of patriotism, progress, and public welfare while denying any other diverse opinion an equal right. In Indian politics, the Leftists are managing to collapse all so-called Rightists under the weight of these words carrying exclusive meanings only to the former. ruclips.net/video/Ai3WTKKxIZ8/видео.html
Well said. These two cent so called intellectuals feel that they possess all the knowledge and have right to criticise everything that goes against their fake narratives. They are still living in that nonexistent parallel universe where nobody used to challenge them. They need to come out of their sense of entitlement and look where the things have moved. They also need to understand that social evolution is an ongoing process and it adopts anything which it needs at that time. All the ideologies are temporary and non binding. Else we would not have seen disintegration of Marxism, socialism or nazism. They are only interested in criticism based on perception and propaganda.
Indian democracy is resilient. Bhanu Pratap Mehta is right that elections are won from the credibility of a political party , which is built by delivery of election manifesto.
Wanted to say a lot, but, at the end, all came to my mind is this 👏👏👏👍 (edit: I am very much sorry for using the thumb symbol here,,,, that came out in excitement.) The discussion made my evening, yesterday.
The next time, please use a condenser microphone. When arms are too lazy to keep required fixed distance, sound fades away and things become unintelligible
Human intellect has evolved to solve problems --- starting from struggle for survival , now to understand origin of universe , life and consciousness etc . What problems these 2 " intellectuals " are trying to solve ?
This has been the problem of intellectuals, speaking in a language common people couldn't understand unless they have studied political science, sociology etc in detail and comprehended. They need to develop some method to reaching out to masses. Using terms like neo liberal centrism may sound good but common people can't make shit out of it. Here kanhaiya is doing great job in that regard.
हमारे मंदिर क्यों सरकार चला रही है। Why HINDUs don't have the right to manage their Educational Institutions and allow to teach HINDUISM, while all minorities have the rights. Why Maulvis are paid salary. Why Muslims block the major roads during Namaj.
the thoughts on secularism provided a new perspective which we all somewhat paper over. truly an intellectual powerhouse of our time. the moderator apoorvanand is second to none.
25:30 Nai. Phir harj hai ki jo pandits of kashMir hua wo pure India mai hoga. The fears or anxieties that RSS draws on are real and thats exactly why congress lost touch with the ground reality.
I like the closing comment about not being a political fatalist. I too believe in the resilience of Indian democracy, despite the internal stability factor, fears of an Opposition not being able to come together, as well as the external stability factor of the hard right taken by much of the world's countries, especially UK (Brexit), US (under Trump), China, Brazil, Russia, in addition to Turkey and Israel. There is still room for a centrist altyernative to emerge, as a counter to the emergent authoritarian right forces - this I believe, comes from a basic sense of self-preservation of the species that will dictate a greater adherence to the global climate accord, and, the pressure exerted by globally diversified multinational companies, who see an erosion in their markets due to protectionism.
Bhanu pratap is a great intellectual but he should have the minimum sense to express opinions after resigning from an educational institution.As a student I may differ with him because none is the last word in life and may express opinion challenging him. A university is not a political forum and he cannot have both sides of the toast buttered.He appears to be quite sly and should have resigned much earlier.Now he is free to preach his gospel truth all over the globe!
At minute 50 , Pratap says time will prove if the BJP approach to a Pakistan was correct. Well on 21 March 2021 - it’s clear that the approach was the right one.
राजनिति ने सामाजिक सरोकारों को दरकिनार करके पूंजीपतियों से आर्थिक गठजोड़ द्वारा एक स्वतंत्र निरंकुश सत्ता का निर्माण कर लिया है जहां चुनावी प्रक्रिया राजनैतिक अपराधियों पर अंकुश लगाने में असमर्थ साबित हो रही है।
Sachin is prejudice towards Sangh. He should attend Samgh shakha.I started shakha 1944 and worked hard with S S amongst millions refugees comming from Sindh Via boat or walking Ra0an of kutch. Mr. Mehta is living in cookoo land.Come to London and see non Hindus and then talk about secularism.
It is shame for society, for everyone that such a Intellectual personality has to step down from his professional academic post @ Ashoka University due to his Intellectual thoughts & courage to express freely! PEOPLE MUST STOP VOTING BJP. BJP LEADERSHIP IS ATTACKING INTELLECTUALS , ECONOMISTS, REAL JOURNALISMS, JUDICIAL SYSTEM: any individual or organisation which doesn't support RSS & extreme religious politics... Era of ending Democracy in India
Pratap Bhanu sir you n the person who has invited you for talk ,my request is there should be alternative taught so pl.invite Dr.Anand Ranganathan will give choice to the people
At 35:15 the disconnect between the two conceptualizations becomes apparent. Mehta Sir, with respect, your approach and conceptualization is not in touch with local realities. I found Neelabhji's way of putting things far more pertinent. Sahishnuta is not secularism. If the intelligentsia wants that which it pines for to come back, this distinction has to be brought into the discourse of Political Science. Sahishnuta is a far superior concept and one which must be internalised by the left of center intelligentsia to gain back any semblance of relevance.
Secularism ka matlab sirf one sided hey to please ab hum sab zan chukey hei Dear old guard and old gate keepers ur game is over and we r waiting d fall of last castle of islamic-communist nexus
RSS he q sb pe baat kro PFI , Jamat , siya personal bord , Sunni personl board , students Islamic organisation , Jamat e Islami hind, students Islamic movement, jammait ulema e hind, Raza academy ,AIUMB, darul Uloom devband , personal boards etc
क्योंकि बहस करते करते देश का ग़रीब और ग़रीब होता चला गया , आपके जैसे pseudo intellectuals पद्म अवार्डस लेकर दिल्ली की एक established टीम का हिस्सा बन जाते हैं
We forget hindu cause is not considered. Bhainsa in Telangana is becoming another Kairana in UP. In Kerala, HINDUs are loosing forgetting moplar genocide of HINDUs, Noakhali in Bengal
@@rahulray9983 true. We don't have caste system. No caste violence. It's all fake. As fake or as true as electoral.bonds and 15 lakhs in my account. 😀😀
@@SAFFRONINFERNO what else do we expect from people like you? Can't debate, don't know, or don't want to know. Easily offended. Offense is no argument. 😆😆 Caste deniers. Like infantile engagement always wanting to blame just like Hitler. 😀 Oh forgot, Mussolini is the idol ain't it?? How are you different from the Holocaust denying mullahs? Hindutva mullahs. Saffrontollahs?? Congrats. Name calling is the easiest play.
Starts taking abt RSS from 18:00 and the thumbnail should have been "extraordinary" or "unusual" instead of abnormal. The thumbnail exposes your bias against RSS, which only plays into the narrative of indian secularism being muslim appeasement
Books mentioned in the talk
14:36 : Eric Kaufman - White Shift
26:20 : Paul R Brass - An Indian Political Life : Charan Singh and Congress Politics
28:15 : Rahi Masoom Raza (his literature was referred to, not any specific book)
Thanks
In the sinful moments of our history it is a relief that fundamental questions are being raised and a soulful effort is being made to address them sincerely. It is this that gives hope.
Thanks Apoorvanand and pratap bhanu mehta!
@@vinaybharadwaj1626 we need to stand behind our intellectuals firmly.
He is funded by anti Hindu accademics funded by evangelics in usa, If he does ot speak against hinduism he will not get funding from the evangelic dominated universities. And it is very famous for us in india
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It's a privilege to listen to such explanatory discourse.
Great discussion, !!! These types of discussion are need of this hour.
It was a brilliant and enlightening discussion.
Always great to listen Pratap Bhanu Mehta.. Thank you the wire
@Devang vyas hindu - Muslim debate hota toh accha hota??
@Devang vyas watch Republic for that . This discussion is not your forte.
He’s one of the few persons having the audacity to speak truth to the power
The other ofcourse is WaZeem bhai who now has 11 lakhs prize on his head. That's called speaking truth to Power where the MullaH can unleash a mob of unthinking irrational zombies and justify it as RighTful JiHad
Would love to see if he can sit with a mic in his hand next to the MuLlahs and ask them on what basis they justify HalaLa and if the successful JihAd in Kashmir should be replicated throughout India
Really chutiye samajwadi, if rss is abnormal that r you saying it is normal to collaborate frequently with communist Maoist pigs. Only rss have never collaborated with maoist communist chutiyas everyone else have already done that.
But that costed him his job
@@poorvasharma3881 I am still waiting to see any one from govt party to even condemn atrocities against dalits
Thanks the wire for such a intellectual bonanza.....
Great initiative .....
Bheemtya
A fantastic video and wherein Mr. Mehta lays bear the situation today the country is facing.
Thank you the wire for having Mehta ji on the show🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
It has been a profound and exhilarating experience to listen and watch Prof. Mehtaji.
No doubt, he deserves unmitigated and unrelenting support. And it is very much in our selfish interest to support him.
I DARE SAY, IF WE DON'T SUPPORT HIM TODAY, TOMORROW WE WILL BE IN PERIL.
Can you add English subtitles? That would be really appreciated. Thanks.
Hey, cool king crimson dp
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 Ha ha thank you. Glad there are people who still know about them. :)
@@dheerajsp hey, man we ,here in India still have small tribe of connoisseur's who are dedicated to their stuff.
By the way this guy is the real deal and a man we can be proud of unlike that idiot, who wants replicate the worst aspects of the west while , behaving like the gatekeeper of Indian culture and Hinduism.
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 Oh I know, and I'm happy to know a few of them myself.
I agree on the 2nd part too. It's sad to see a lot of citizens being manipulated to believe he's a great or the only choice available when he clearly isn't. May 23rd is gonna be an interesting day.
Very intellectual discourse. Thanks to Mr. Mehta.
thanks Apurva Nand sir God bless you
It is hard to believe that I am watching such kind of discourse in the era of utter stupidity and ignorance.
Well done the wire and mehta saab specially.
From the schools and colleges the subjects like literature, language, history, logic, social science are being brutally hounded out ! All the focus is on engineering and medicine or softwares! I also shuddered to think that how many would appreciate and assimilate this talk ! No popular tv channel would dare to show this type of talk !
So true, he offers no real substance just subjective thoughts. He starts with a Hindu principle of Samavad to get people to listen to him and then feels free to Cruze the same culture. Not a Modi fan at all but it seems if you can talk like an intellectual then there people who will listen doesn’t matter if you make sense
Its even harder to believe that KASHMIRI Hindu Genocide was never discussed by so called NEUTRAL media with depth in a country where Majority is Hindus. All are 'Bhatke huye youth' when hindus get killed.
@@lenovodolby7517 whataboutism. What happened to the Kashmiri Hindus was atrocious to say the least but that can't justify the behavior of vengeance.
@@lenovodolby7517 this also shows that you didn't watch the whole talk. PB Mehta squarely blamed the "pseudo-secularism" too. He criticized the banning of Satanic Verses. He criticized the Rajiv Gandhi regime for trying to monkeybalance the Hindu Nationalism and the Islamism
Truly enjoy Pratap Bhanu Mehta's analysis of today. He not only explores but implores all to think and go deeper.
Thank you Prof. Apoorvanand... I always watch your video.. you are awesome and fine intellectual.. Prof. Mehta is a visionary, academy..and has been described as "one of India’s more thoughtful intellectuals"... Excellent lecture, brilliant analysis and interpretation with thoughtful & right examples and analogies. Problems with us...Intellectuals need to simplify the things for common man to understand... In all these discussions, we did not touch / discuss the power of technology, money and a clear goal of RSS - their determination & strategy .. They identified these key elements. The infrastructure in India has been ready with uneducated, poor and helpless common population...
RSS grabbed this opportunity when Congress was in peak corruption and arrogance and people came out on the street.. "Hit the iron when it is hot"... RSS successfully implemented the strategy with money (Ambanis), technology, (telecom, main stream media, social media and other communication tools) and clear goal (Power)...
Prof rightly said there is no credible alternative and RSS centrist organization has an edge over 100s of regional self centered parties unfortunately... In addition they have hijacked the election process, EVMs and weak voice and protest by opposition may bring them to power again... World has changed and on the verge of destruction..
Nothing so articulate, and interlect, thought.. Very true analysis. Hats off, Mehtaji, and professor saheb
The great Intellectual in present India. Thanks Meheta ji.
Finally an intellectual talk worth to learn from. Thank you for guest and anchor great choice
Great work by the wire .thank you apporvanand sir
It is a battle between Populist and Popular govt.
बहुतही अच्छा संबोधन था और एकदम प्रासंगिक भी. असीमानंद जी का संचालन काफी सुचारु एवं सरल था . प्रोफेसर साहेब तो विचारोनका सागर लेकर चलते है, जीसे जितना चाहिये उतना भर भर लो !
धन्यवाद
जिओ चमचो जिओ ,, जय हो चमचो चाटुकारों की
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किसीं भी प्रगतींमुख समाज में संवाद, संबोधन एवं चर्चा का चलना बहुत आवश्यक होता हैं ! एकही विचारधारा को लेकर कोई समाज जिंदादिली नही दिखा नही सकता, पुरा ज्ञान एवं समज एकही व्यक्ती में संमलीत नही हो सकती . नाही उदयभानू जी , असीमानंद जी कोई चाटुकारिता का उदाहरण प्रस्तुत करते हैं नाही किसीं स्वरूप की चमचागीरी को उर्धृत करते हैं, आपको अगर ऐसा लगता हैं तो दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण हैं
@@bbhusari जब जीवन के नैतिक और सामाजिक मूल्यों पर चर्चा होती है तो उस को संस्कृति से जोड़ा जाता है ,, मेरा सेक्युलिज़्म लंदन से नही आया वो भी देशी है और वो है ये इस बात का सबूत है कि आज भारत मे सभी धर्मों के लोग अपना अपना धर्म निभाते हुए जी रहे है ,,, इन के विचारों में कश्मीरी पंडित कभी नही रहे ये ज्ञान की जिंदादिली नही है ,, लोकतंत्र में आप निष्पक्ष नही हो सकते और यदि लोकतंत में कोई निष्पक्ष है तो वो लोकतंत्र नही है,, रही बात जिंदादिली की तो वो यदि हम में नही होती तो आज भारत की डेमोग्राफी कुछ ओर होती ,,
My god Partapbhanu where have you fallen? Or you are at the right place - the platform and the company u deserve.
Very indepth and vast expression of ideas.
Brilliant analysis of mehta sir
Mr Mehta has to resign from Ashoka university because of his view on RSS. He is a legend , thank you for standing up for United India 🇮🇳. We stand with you 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Two great personalities on my screen. ✌️
When market fails nation state emerges to save capitalist class. No capitalist class survives without political support or affiliation.
Lol donkey sit down
बहुत शानदार चर्चा थी अपूर्वानंद जी और वायर की पूरी टीम को तहे दिल से शुक्रिया 🙏🙏🙏
मेहता जी बहुत खुले मन और विचार के साथ लिखते और बोलते हैं।
बहुत लाजवाब प्रश्न और उतने ही अच्छे से जवाब भी थे।
वायर की टीम से ही ऐसी शानदार प्रस्तुति की उम्मीद की जा सकती है।👍👍👍
बहुत बहुत शुक्रिया
God bless
Brilliant analyses by Pratap Bhanu Mehta... very similar to the Canadian Institutionalist, Karl Polanyi's "double movement" explanation of the rise of fascism, nazism in the aftermath of the 1929 Great Depression
LOVE THIS... THE WIRE, KEEP IT UP!
AND, OF COURSE, HATS OFF TO BOTH Pratap Bhanu Mehta and Apoorvanand for standing up to the SANGHI-FASCISTs in our nation
Cry a river librandu
A small oversight at 14:38, that's "Eric Kaufmann" not Laurence Kaufmann.
I love deep purple 🎤🎸
@ sweet child ..,
Every community demands live and let live. The RSS had a grudge that Nehru imposed on US secularism, but RSS must also understand that they should not impose their values on others.
Fatwa walo ko boliye Waseem bhai ko apne quran se sawal puchne ki aazadi de. Live n let live
@@poorvasharma3881 nobody is restricting anyone from questioning Quran. But being a stooge of RSS and charged with corruption, one must judge who is demanding what. He is not demanding the right to criticize but wants to delete few parts of the Quran. it is like, I do not like the Quran so delete it. This is not a rational way. His credibility is weak both in terms of knowledge and as a citizen. Waseem Rizvi is a man riddled with corruption. His background is too problematic, as part of RSS. He was used by the BJP as a pro-Hindutva Muslim face.
Please stand for human freedom which includes the right to criticize, the right to have and change religion, the right to choose food of one choice not lynched for eating beef, not killed for dating a Hindu Women.
@@MumtazShah786 Wahi to baat hai.. jo log bhi quran ko question karte hain wo RSS ke ho jaate hain.. Harris Sultan, Ayan Ali Hirsi aise logo ko sunnlo to lage Rizvi bhai to phir bhi bas 26 aayat ke liye bol rahe hain.. na sex slaves na multiple marriages ki koi baat ki, na quran ka ek homophobic kitaab hone ki.. aur bas ye puri duniya RSS ki ho gayi
@@MumtazShah786 Plz also give rights to mulhids to leave this suffocating cult and for letting MusLim men love other men and not kill apostates. Aur earth par kya homophobia jab jannAT mai gilmann bhi arrange kar rakhe hain AllAh mian ne? Itni munafkat mai kaise saans lete ho bhai?
If you are talking about political enactment of demographic hegemony and dominance in India, ....global history shows us that it could play out with any color...religion, ethnicity, regional affiliation etc., and with brutal and violent effects. The idea that the Indian polity will accept or acquire religious (hindu) hegemonic contour, is absolutely detrimental. With the scenario proposed by the RSS, does these communal, chaddi dumb-heads acknowledge or promulgate the idea that contextual minorities are free to disintegrate out of the Indian union ? ....a concept they already operated upon along with the muslim league that led to the partition of India?
Ohh come on look @ middle east it has color.... Look @ early Usa history even African (under British) and British history.... Ku klax klan and..... Hey man hitler look @ him they were not colorless has some method and way of spreading hegemony or if we say fascism
At least three four subjects you yolked in one reply....first,differences in the context itself that r global n indian..than he turn towards political economy..for instance resource allocation etc.. again globally n in Indian context..you r seeking an explanation sometimes through Marxist perspective at others cultural perspectives..he is talking about legitimization of the corrupt political- corporate, structural hegemony..you r talking about religious, racial , n nationality which is more identity discourse than, how economy works in real sense of trade n commerce, macroeconomy, market policy n forces...so basically he is talking of socio-political & socio-economic order in a govt-corporate nexus.. situation.. you're debating cultural conflicts...etc...
I visited BSNL office back in 2010. It was pristine, the building was like a monument or bhoot bangla and literally all the employees looked and talked like these two. They were old and had the same energy level.
The dictionary definition of communal, a logical corollary, is ‘pertaining to community, owned in common; shared.’ Hindus in India, on saying that they belong to a shared culture and a community, immediately provoke the secularists to make them ‘anti-secular’. A Hindu who says that India is his ancestral homeland and speaks for his traditions will become a chauvinist. Similarly, any criticism of past Muslim rulers or present Muslim aggression makes one a ‘communal’ enemy of public peace and national integration by the Leftists.
Fascist as a swear word works when others like ‘reactionary’ or ‘revivalist’ do not stick. The dictionaries define a democrat as ‘one who adheres to or promotes democracy as a principle,’ and a fascist as ‘one who believes in using forceful methods’. Fascist attitude fits the Leftists better who swear by democracy while in the opposition. Their self-righteousness and intolerance of other points of view make them first-class fascists. They suspect and shout a conspiracy behind every move of every other party. It is difficult to understand how Leftists label themselves as democrats and happily denounce anyone disagreeing with them as fascists.
The dictionaries are not helpful in decoding the Leftist language. With this language, the Leftists have made themselves as representatives of patriotism, progress, and public welfare while denying any other diverse opinion an equal right. In Indian politics, the Leftists are managing to collapse all so-called Rightists under the weight of these words carrying exclusive meanings only to the former.
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Well said. These two cent so called intellectuals feel that they possess all the knowledge and have right to criticise everything that goes against their fake narratives. They are still living in that nonexistent parallel universe where nobody used to challenge them. They need to come out of their sense of entitlement and look where the things have moved. They also need to understand that social evolution is an ongoing process and it adopts anything which it needs at that time. All the ideologies are temporary and non binding. Else we would not have seen disintegration of Marxism, socialism or nazism. They are only interested in criticism based on perception and propaganda.
Thanks for this Interview !
Indian democracy is resilient. Bhanu Pratap Mehta is right that elections are won from the credibility of a political party , which is built by delivery of election manifesto.
Though... Not a dalit.... Ambedkar philosophy is still unmatched... Who understood india much better than anyone
Only rss is capable of producing legends like modi that's why he's raving & ranting against the rss
Only if Intellectual elitism solved our societal problems.. 🌻
Amazing discourse
Excellent interaction..
Great explanation 👌👌👌
Great insight vision
Request you sir, explain your thoughts in very simple , straightforward and more clear to understand to our common people.
Wanted to say a lot, but, at the end, all came to my mind is this 👏👏👏👍
(edit: I am very much sorry for using the thumb symbol here,,,, that came out in excitement.)
The discussion made my evening, yesterday.
All who are applauding this should listen to DR RAJIV MALHOTRA.
Awesome... thanks 😃
The next time, please use a condenser microphone. When arms are too lazy to keep required fixed distance, sound fades away and things become unintelligible
Great Interview. The Wire is really doing social service.
बहुत अच्छी बातचीत।
@ 45:36 he mentions few points. Can anybody explain or have resources/articles on it?
I am in love with his intellect
Bengal Will be next Kashmir. It’s just about time.
I tried watching uncle jee at 2.75 speed yet couldn't get his weed driven drift..
Wow were did you find the 2.75 speed dude...?
Human intellect has evolved to solve problems --- starting from struggle for survival , now to understand origin of universe , life and consciousness etc .
What problems these 2
" intellectuals " are trying to solve ?
Great discussion
Fantastic!
Nice analysis sir ji
Hindus must be protected at all cost.❤️💯
watch @1.5 speed....
Thanks 😅
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video lamba hei..
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hota h isliye bola..
Isiliye mene thanks bola... Accha idea tha 😊
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@@bhupendrasolanki1447 okay thanks
Is it honest to ignore populism in Nehru, Indra and Rajiv governances and begin from 209-10 only. Pl. do answer.
This has been the problem of intellectuals, speaking in a language common people couldn't understand unless they have studied political science, sociology etc in detail and comprehended. They need to develop some method to reaching out to masses. Using terms like neo liberal centrism may sound good but common people can't make shit out of it. Here kanhaiya is doing great job in that regard.
No watchers after the Ashoka University resignations?!!
Before and after both.
हमारे मंदिर क्यों सरकार चला रही है। Why HINDUs don't have the right to manage their Educational Institutions and allow to teach HINDUISM, while all minorities have the rights. Why Maulvis are paid salary. Why Muslims block the major roads during Namaj.
Here after his recent resignation.
watch the date of the interview.
Sirs,Mehta Sir is biased against RSS, and he has come to the right
platform,the wire.
the thoughts on secularism provided a new perspective which we all somewhat paper over. truly an intellectual powerhouse of our time. the moderator apoorvanand is second to none.
Very happy to be a listener to two great thinkers.
25:30 Nai. Phir harj hai ki jo pandits of kashMir hua wo pure India mai hoga. The fears or anxieties that RSS draws on are real and thats exactly why congress lost touch with the ground reality.
BJP does despise intellectuals who oppose their majoritarian ideology.
Great discussion.
I think this is old conversation which i saw elsewhere earlier
nationalism is a concept which unites a oppressed people of a geography under a rule foreigners ... for a independent nation its patriotism
I like the closing comment about not being a political fatalist. I too believe in the resilience of Indian democracy, despite the internal stability factor, fears of an Opposition not being able to come together, as well as the external stability factor of the hard right taken by much of the world's countries, especially UK (Brexit), US (under Trump), China, Brazil, Russia, in addition to Turkey and Israel. There is still room for a centrist altyernative to emerge, as a counter to the emergent authoritarian right forces - this I believe, comes from a basic sense of self-preservation of the species that will dictate a greater adherence to the global climate accord, and, the pressure exerted by globally diversified multinational companies, who see an erosion in their markets due to protectionism.
Bhanu pratap is a great intellectual but he should have the minimum sense to express opinions after resigning from an educational institution.As a student I may differ with him because none is the last word in life and may express opinion challenging him. A university is not a political forum and he cannot have both sides of the toast buttered.He appears to be quite sly and should have resigned much earlier.Now he is free to preach his gospel truth all over the globe!
Good interview.thamkf
Weird how he made new nationalism as upper caste thing when modi himself is from OBC.
Totally agree with PB mehta roots of communal mindset is deep rooted
GREAT MAN
At minute 50 , Pratap says time will prove if the BJP approach to a Pakistan was correct. Well on 21 March 2021 - it’s clear that the approach was the right one.
राजनिति ने सामाजिक सरोकारों को दरकिनार करके पूंजीपतियों से आर्थिक गठजोड़ द्वारा एक स्वतंत्र निरंकुश सत्ता का निर्माण कर लिया है जहां चुनावी प्रक्रिया राजनैतिक अपराधियों पर अंकुश लगाने में असमर्थ साबित हो रही है।
Sachin is prejudice towards Sangh.
He should attend Samgh shakha.I started shakha 1944 and worked hard with S S amongst millions refugees comming from Sindh
Via boat or walking Ra0an of kutch.
Mr. Mehta is living in cookoo land.Come to London and see non
Hindus and then talk about secularism.
great
It is shame for society, for everyone that such a Intellectual personality has to step down from his professional academic post @ Ashoka University due to his Intellectual thoughts & courage to express freely! PEOPLE MUST STOP VOTING BJP. BJP LEADERSHIP IS ATTACKING INTELLECTUALS , ECONOMISTS, REAL JOURNALISMS, JUDICIAL SYSTEM: any individual or organisation which doesn't support RSS & extreme religious politics... Era of ending Democracy in India
"intellectuals" 😂😂
Ask Bengal government for distinguish between HINDUs and Muslims
Pratap Bhanu sir you n the person who has invited you for talk ,my request is there should be alternative taught so pl.invite Dr.Anand Ranganathan will give choice to the people
Why is the guest screaming so much? The interviewer had such a soothing voice and tone on the contrary.
At 35:15 the disconnect between the two conceptualizations becomes apparent. Mehta Sir, with respect, your approach and conceptualization is not in touch with local realities. I found Neelabhji's way of putting things far more pertinent. Sahishnuta is not secularism. If the intelligentsia wants that which it pines for to come back, this distinction has to be brought into the discourse of Political Science. Sahishnuta is a far superior concept and one which must be internalised by the left of center intelligentsia to gain back any semblance of relevance.
Secularism ka matlab sirf one sided hey to please ab hum sab zan chukey hei
Dear old guard and old gate keepers ur game is over and we r waiting d fall of last castle of islamic-communist nexus
RSS he q sb pe baat kro PFI , Jamat , siya personal bord , Sunni personl board , students Islamic organisation , Jamat e Islami hind, students Islamic movement, jammait ulema e hind, Raza academy ,AIUMB, darul Uloom devband , personal boards etc
Nice arguments but the question is how to combat this fascism
Brilliant
👏👏👏 this guy is a true philosopher . I salute , I l conquer with each and everything he said
Absolutely biased n misrepresentation of facts .... Bs
Sir excellent
Also muslim personal law board is abnormal
क्योंकि बहस करते करते देश का ग़रीब और ग़रीब होता चला गया , आपके जैसे pseudo intellectuals पद्म अवार्डस लेकर दिल्ली की एक established टीम का हिस्सा बन जाते हैं
We forget hindu cause is not considered. Bhainsa in Telangana is becoming another Kairana in UP.
In Kerala, HINDUs are loosing forgetting moplar genocide of HINDUs, Noakhali in Bengal
Shall.we remember the genocide of.Buddhists Dalits.and Shaivites killing Vaishnava etc?
Or do we move on as a country?🤔
@@soonyanaidu7875 Oh still propagating those fake narratives which never happened ?
@@rahulray9983 true. We don't have caste system. No caste violence.
It's all fake.
As fake or as true as electoral.bonds and 15 lakhs in my account.
😀😀
@@SAFFRONINFERNO what else do we expect from people like you?
Can't debate, don't know, or don't want to know.
Easily offended. Offense is no argument. 😆😆
Caste deniers. Like infantile engagement always wanting to blame just like Hitler. 😀
Oh forgot, Mussolini is the idol ain't it??
How are you different from the Holocaust denying mullahs?
Hindutva mullahs. Saffrontollahs??
Congrats. Name calling is the easiest play.
It's a bliss to watch this thank u wire
Starts taking abt RSS from 18:00 and the thumbnail should have been "extraordinary" or "unusual" instead of abnormal. The thumbnail exposes your bias against RSS, which only plays into the narrative of indian secularism being muslim appeasement
Wire is behaving like opposite side of Republic.
3 Indias. The Gandhian India. Godses India. The Confused (or is it Indifferent?) India.