KaijuD You have to give Freddy credit for that kill he did possess him. Freddy could've easily killed the stoner kid he did have his powers back, but Freddy used the kid as a puppet to get Jason into the dream world. Freddy put that stoner kid on a silver platter for Jason.
I think it's explained in the original NOES that Freddy is going after teens because they were the surviving children of the parents who rounded up the mob that killed him. So he plans to kill all their children (who are now teens) as revenge. as they made more sequels eventually this concept was dropped, but that was the initial idea.
In Nightmares 3 and 4, he finishes off the Elm Street kids and then the plot actually focuses on him struggling to find a loophole so he could expand to other children.
Micah Hirsh Nope, that's actually from the last regular movie, when they gave up on the sequels. In Nightmare 4, the loophole is that one of the kids has the power to bring other people into her dreams, and Freddy uses her to obtain victims.
ProJatior Oh hell no. I'd much rather have silly sequels than remakes. At least Nightmare 4 has some creativity, and looks visually good. Englund's Krueger is unbeatable and Alice is a decent Final Girl. Plus, the dream powers were actually introduced in Nightmare 3, by Wes Craven himself.
Jasons fear of water is a deeply rooted fear that could only be exploited by someone like Freddy. In any other film it doesn't really phase him in the slightest.
I think what happened with Freddy vs. Jason thing is they tried so hard to give a reasonable story that got the two characters together, that they ended up writing too much likely due to things they felt they needed to explain so they ended up cutting all of the stuff people wanted to fit in the reason why/how.
The whole Jason afraid of water thing, I always took it to mean that in his head, in his dreams/nightmares/subconscious, Jason is afraid of water but he's not really in real life, because he does hang out in the lake a lot. But in his nightmares, he is. It makes more sense if you think of it that way because dreams are weird like that.
Fun fact: Ken Kirzinger, Jason's actor for the movie, was set on fire for over a minute to do the scene where he leaves a trail of fire in the corn field.
Buc Whovian haha! yeah I think you might be right. he would be the guy to bring about the end of the world. at this point I don't care. the Cubs won the world series. I can die happy now.
Leo Cooper It definitely was. All Friday Films are, including Jason X, which canonically happens a few years after Freddy Vs Jason. Also, if you're a gamer.... The Friday the 13th game has gone out of the way to tie up all the plot holes in the franchise using, "The Tommy Tapes". It's essentially interview's with the character Tommy Jarvis, in which it explains the greater timeline of the series and the plot holes (Such, in Part 5 they say Jason was cremated, yet he clearly wasn't in part 6). Also, it ties a lot of other Slasher films into the Friday universe. Like, Tommy Jarvis was temporarily a patient at the same Asylum Michael Myers was in. It's pretty cool shit.
Just a couple clarifications: Jason was never afraid of water, but in Jason Lives, they defeated his by drowning him in Crystal Lake, because it was his original resting place (due to him dying there as a child) so there was some precedent for the fear of water thing. Also, New Nightmare was set outside of the main Elm Street continuity, so Freddy v Jason takes place after Freddy's Dead. And FvJ takes place between Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X.
The water thing was never made explicitly something he's afraid of or his weakness, but it has served as both throughout the series. In Jason Takes Manhatten, it's a flooded sewer that turns him into a child again, in a couple of other movies he's defeated by being put into the lake. Given he drowned in the lake as a child, it certainly makes sense. And there is evidence for it, even if it hadn't been explicitly said.
In the original Friday the 13th, Jason was dead. His mother was the one killing the campers. She blamed the kids for her son's drowning, since all the counselors were either having sex or getting high (Horror Tropes Assemble!) So, I assume the fear of water comes from that. I can't recall anything else without Googling it.
Ronny Yu, the director, only saw the first films of each franchise. In Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, Jason literally swims from Camp Crystal Lake all the way to New York... he is not afraid of water.
Freddy Vs Jason is supposed to take up action after Jason Goes to Hell, it mainly shows this at the end of jason goes to hell when Freddy's glove comes p out of the ground and grabs the mask
Freddy's mind powers increases Jason's child fear of the cause of his death, making him relive it. He has no inherent fear....in the beginning he was ever lurking beneath the waters of Crystal Lake...
As one of the local horror geeks: Jason is NEVER afraid of water in the previous films....that's been a subject of much message board rage. I re-checked Freddy's kills, and there doesn't seem to be a single one that's actually a little kid. He obviously changed his MO postmortem. ....Dammit, Freddy - you used to STAND for something!!!
I think that one of the only really great crossovers is the 2004 Alien Vs Predator movie. It has it;s fair share of problems but just seeing these to aliens on screen fighting is just so amazing and us poor humans getting caught up in the mix just makes me feel like them in that situation and how awesome and yet terrifying that would be. AVP is an example of getting things to an ok slandered then we look at something like AVP requiem that tried to hard to amp it up which made into a movie that missed so many marks that it basically becomes a failure. Amazing work as always Critic congratulations on hitting one million views on your review, seeing as how that is aboot how much you make per vid I hope you get that many subs one day. I hope that one day I will grow as much as you have, by the by if anyone is interested in hearing more of my thoughts or things like that; Hey I'm NC JR I remember ABOOT it because I need reassurance that I'm not the only one EH. Wishing NC senior would review more things from your generation(1999-2010) Never Fear your friendly neighborhood Canadian Critic is here. LATEST REVIEW TEEN TITANS
I completely agree with the fact that AVP Requiem is absolute shit but I can't quite say that the first one was any better. It was just fanfare to see them fighting on screen but the rest of it is mostly characters we don't care about, there are a few but not a lot and just silly decisions. I hope you review those films so that you further explain your point.
Thanks dude and to each his own. I can look past the small faults of the first one to enjoy it for what it is, a fun alien mash up of characters we have loved for years and since we begged them into a corner we got what we got.
Yeah, it was quite confusing as an addition, seeing as he spent, like, 30 movies basically living IN the water between camp visits, lol... Maybe he was just scared of visualized gravity and people thought it was the water itself that was the problem..
I always thought the movie was insinuating it was a /subconscious/ fear Jason had. Jason (nearly?) drowned as a child, that's got to leave some sort of trauma or scarring on him even if he doesn't show it. Besides, Freddy is known for using peoples' subconscious fears against them; he's famous for it. Plus, with it being a subconscious fear, it wouldn't affect Jason in the real world; he'd be able to be under the lake no problem.
Hey Rob, Arrow Season 5 pretty much did away with Olicity and went back to the Season 1-Season 2 formula of actual good choreography, actually using trick arrows like the comics, and having Oliver go back to his old methods of "basically kill everyone". It's shaping up as a terrific season so far.
If you guys are interested, in Friday the 13th, Jason isn't necessarily scared of water. In the films, he's stopped by being killed again in the lake, which is where he was originally drowned, like with a boat propeller, a gas tank like Jaws, ect. He doesn't show fear of the lake or water, but if FvJ takes place after Friday the 13th part 5-6, he'd have an understandable fear of water, before he left Camp Crystal Lake.
well In Godzilla vs King Kong, they only fight twice. but theres a good amount in between. Godzilla shows up & starts destroying stuff, Kong shows up starts destroying stuff Godzilla & Kong fight & then repeat. they build up the fights between the two by ( the army ) trying to find ways to stop them without having them kill each other & destroy everything. I love King kong vs Godzilla but in a lot of ways it doesn't hold up but at the same time its Godzilla so you kinda go along with the craziness.
No, I haven't. Yes there is talking but when its on the army the talking is about there plan to stop Godzilla & Kong. Godzilla for the first half then Kong which leads to them just letting them fight & the first fight was about 2 minutes & the last one was about 10 minutes. that talking means something & actually leads to seeing them set up there plan & what happens. its the smartest the military as been in the Godzilla movies & i'd argue the search for kong is a needed scene to build to the fight. but the other characters the couples, the tv boss & his yes men are pretty boring & a waste of time but really that's Godzilla movies in a nutshell when it comes to the human characters.
Nah, I think Doug looks better with the beard. I wouldn't mind Rob shaving though, it's nothing personal as I think the "facial hair on just the chin" look doesn't suit anyone.
Jason was NOT afraid of water in the last films. Drives me nuts! He goes right into the water, after Tommy Jarvis, and he traps Jason. Then he pretty much swims to Manhattan! Criminy with these movie makers. 😫
*Hmm, well, let's see here:* Jason is about to attack Freddy, then suddenly stops in the presence of falling water, and the tone changes color. He appears frightened and Freddy comments, *"So you are afraid of something after all."* Freddy then drenches Jason, who reverts to a helpless child as if remembering when he drowned, which happens to involve WATER. *Yeah, no idea how audiences may interpret from that scene that he was "insinuated" to fear water, lol. If that wasn't what was intended, maybe the writers should have thought their presentation through a bit more.*
Hydraulic Particle Me and well over 5 people I know have watched all the Friday the 13th films before, as well as the Elm Street films, guess we're nobodies too. *WHOO, awesome!* *#Nobodyandproud*
Obito Uchiha That doesn't matter if what we see onscreen doesn't convey it clearly enough for viewers to discern the writer's intention. Show this scene to anyone who hasn't already seen it or watched the Crystal Lake Memories documentary, I guarantee a majority of them will initially react: *"Why does he fear water?"* Even if this is Jason's subconscious mind, there's no distinct evidence to signify that and no clear difference between this dream world vs really any in the Elm Street series. Even when Freddy stabs into Jason's head, that doesn't say *"Wow, he must be pouring into his subconscious"*. It could just be him messing with Jason's mind again, he does that in various ways to a lot of characters. You can't blame audiences for making an interpretation based on what's shown to them because they didn't read into it enough or know what the writers were thinking at that time. That's the creators' responsibility in visual storytelling, to think it through.
So theres a theory stating that the events of Jason X are actually a dream that Freddy created in order to test Jason and see how strong he was. Anyone else think that could be true.
Side Track: Picard encountered the Borg after Best of Both Worlds, but they were incidental encounters with small groups or a singular Borg. And if recollection serves, they were always drones disenchanted/disconnected from the Hive Mind. He didn't encounter a full scale invasion again until First Contact. An invasion that nearly devastated Starfleet, had he not gone against orders and intervened. So he never had that level of stress to deal with again until First Contact. Stress directly related to his actions being responsible for the fate of Starfleet.
No Jason was never afraid of water, as for Jason X why would they tie a film in if it took place 500 or so years in the future?? sure it came 1st, but it's the very end of the timeline.
We need more horror vs movies. If you have any idea for match ups replay to comment, I love to hear people's ideas. Here's some I thought of Jason vs Michael Michael vs letherface Candyman vs Freddy Pinhead vs Freddy Evil dead vs pumpkin head Phantasm vs candyman Just some of ideas I have if you have some still would like to read them.
You guys know that dimension films was going to make Helloween where Micheal and Pinhead, fought one another. John Carpenter would have directed it, while Clive Baker would have wrote. But before they got started on Production, Dimesion films did an online poll, to see if the fans wanted this movie, and it came back negative. Either because Micheal had no way of beating Pinhead, or due to Freddy vs Jason being such a bad movie (enjoyable but bad). And then there was Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, it would have been a movie if New Line Cinema hadn't stopped it, but at least that became a comic. That's more than I can say for most horror crossovers.
I agree with the whole building up why they'd fight. I think either have him get his powers sooner or somehow have Freddy get into the real world. Like maybe when he was messing with Jason and Jason grabs him and wakes up. That's a good ten minutes of fighting right there.
The Nightmare on Elm Street 2010 reboot is probably my second favorite. It takes itself much more seriously than what other installments did, to the cost of less comedical scenes, which I think works in its favor - it's just not that type of movie. Totally worth the watch!
Jason was never seen being that afraid of the water unless you will count that trippy sewer scene in Jason Takes Manhattan. I think the reason why Voorhees suddenly goes fetal in FvJ is because, well, Freddy's homefield advantage. Fear is Freddy's source of power and I guess his realm just amplifies that. Still think Freddy could have save himself some time if he just disguised himself as Mama Voorhees again and just sweet talk Jason into "sleeping" again instead of provoking him into a fight...
To help you guys out in terms of Jason's timeline in Jason X: Its technically a spoiler movie since it takes place after Freddy vs Jason and possibly Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. Jason was never afraid of water in the series, they added that in Freddy vs Jason.
Reading the character sheet on tvtropes for Nightmare on Elm Street, The teens Freddy goes after in the first movie are the grown up kids he died trying to kill
Well, from A New Beginning onwards, the Friday movies did get increasingly weird and creative. From the killer being the crazed father of one of Jason's previous victims, Jason being resurrected via a metal pole that got electrified via lightning, him battling a psychic girl and then going to Manhattan, and finally him turning out to be a weird worm parasite and heading off into space.
I still can't get over the fact that you were confused when Freddy was brought into the real world, even though this was something that's been established since the _first friggin movie!_
I actually liked Van Helsing, but looking back… yeah, mostly it was just because it was lively and well-choreographed. The first fight was good though like you mention, and I was endlessly amused by how great his sidekick's throwing arm is.
To your question about Jason being afraid of water, he was never afraid in the stand alone movies. I think they just added that for this one. I was ok with it, it taking place in the dream realm and following dream logic.
Jason Vor Heese drowned at Crystal Lake. during the first movie his mom went around killing the camp councilors who let her son. i don't think Jason even makes an appearance in the first movie. and if he did it was actually his mom.
Who is that man sitting next to Rob?
He looks just like Doug. Huh, weird...
It's their cousin twice removed, Buck Walker.
Extremely Moist It's his twin, Coug Valker.
Their long lost brother, Bob?
Max Lim why would his twin have a different last name
i might be wrong buuuuuuuut i think thats courtney love
"Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Cubs winning the World Series! Mass hysteria!"
Can anyone remind me what this reference is from. I definitely recognise it but I'm not sure where from.
if the cubs win the world will *fucking shatter*
ghostbusters
datFatSesh ????
datFatSesh ?????
Think of the first 2 acts as Freddy and Jason doing a killing contest to see who can kill the most characters.
In that case, Jason won by a landslide. Out of all the teens in the film, Freddy only manages to kill one of them.
I was thinking freddy had 1 1/2 kills with the stoner kid being half Jason the other half Freddy, but yeah would've like to seen more freddy kills.
Joethelostone Freddy never killed the stoner kid. Freddy just possessed him
Freddy only killed one guy though....Jason killed everyone else.
KaijuD You have to give Freddy credit for that kill he did possess him. Freddy could've easily killed the stoner kid he did have his powers back, but Freddy used the kid as a puppet to get Jason into the dream world. Freddy put that stoner kid on a silver platter for Jason.
2 fights? Well that immediately better than BvS
I think it's explained in the original NOES that Freddy is going after teens because they were the surviving children of the parents who rounded up the mob that killed him. So he plans to kill all their children (who are now teens) as revenge. as they made more sequels eventually this concept was dropped, but that was the initial idea.
In Nightmares 3 and 4, he finishes off the Elm Street kids and then the plot actually focuses on him struggling to find a loophole so he could expand to other children.
DarthRushy
The loophole is "Every town has an elm street" a BS excuse to make endless sequels if I've ever heard one.
Micah Hirsh Nope, that's actually from the last regular movie, when they gave up on the sequels.
In Nightmare 4, the loophole is that one of the kids has the power to bring other people into her dreams, and Freddy uses her to obtain victims.
DarthRushy That is why part 4 is a bad sequel. I don't care what other fans say. I'd rather watch the remake at that point it's far less painful.
ProJatior
Oh hell no. I'd much rather have silly sequels than remakes. At least Nightmare 4 has some creativity, and looks visually good. Englund's Krueger is unbeatable and Alice is a decent Final Girl.
Plus, the dream powers were actually introduced in Nightmare 3, by Wes Craven himself.
Doug! is your beard laying down, on the left corner?
Was looking for that comment lmao
HA HA glad I'm not the only one who saw that.
Dammit thanks now I'm even more distracted than by the weirdly shaved face of doug's
that it´s actually his head´s hair, it´s been laying there for years
It has become sentient and is attempting to escape.
Jasons fear of water is a deeply rooted fear that could only be exploited by someone like Freddy. In any other film it doesn't really phase him in the slightest.
It's so bizarre how young Doug looks without the beard...
I always thought this took place shortly after Jason goes to Hell. I thought this is how Jason gets revived to be there for Jason X.
The Cubbies pulled it off!
Yes they did!!
Unfortunately
Unfortunately? I hate sports and even I'm happy they won!
+*Alex Amerling* Shit, BTTF was ONE year off! Sooooo close
Alex Amerling i just wish i could go back to the start of the season and put some money on the cubbies
I think what happened with Freddy vs. Jason thing is they tried so hard to give a reasonable story that got the two characters together, that they ended up writing too much likely due to things they felt they needed to explain so they ended up cutting all of the stuff people wanted to fit in the reason why/how.
The whole Jason afraid of water thing, I always took it to mean that in his head, in his dreams/nightmares/subconscious, Jason is afraid of water but he's not really in real life, because he does hang out in the lake a lot. But in his nightmares, he is. It makes more sense if you think of it that way because dreams are weird like that.
Doug looks way younger now
Fun fact: Ken Kirzinger, Jason's actor for the movie, was set on fire for over a minute to do the scene where he leaves a trail of fire in the corn field.
I just looked to the right, yes, the review has over 1 million views.
And CUBS WIN!!!!!!
Someone said once that if the Cubs ever won it all, armageddon would take place...Trump is going to get in isn't he?
Ugh, spoilers! 😝
Buc Whovian haha! yeah I think you might be right. he would be the guy to bring about the end of the world. at this point I don't care. the Cubs won the world series. I can die happy now.
Jason literally swam half way to New York, the man is not afraid of water
jason takes manhattan wasn't canon
Leo Cooper
It definitely was. All Friday Films are, including Jason X, which canonically happens a few years after Freddy Vs Jason.
Also, if you're a gamer.... The Friday the 13th game has gone out of the way to tie up all the plot holes in the franchise using, "The Tommy Tapes".
It's essentially interview's with the character Tommy Jarvis, in which it explains the greater timeline of the series and the plot holes (Such, in Part 5 they say Jason was cremated, yet he clearly wasn't in part 6).
Also, it ties a lot of other Slasher films into the Friday universe. Like, Tommy Jarvis was temporarily a patient at the same Asylum Michael Myers was in. It's pretty cool shit.
He was in the lake from part 6 to part 7
Also that wasn’t New York, it was Canada bruh. 😐
Just a couple clarifications: Jason was never afraid of water, but in Jason Lives, they defeated his by drowning him in Crystal Lake, because it was his original resting place (due to him dying there as a child) so there was some precedent for the fear of water thing. Also, New Nightmare was set outside of the main Elm Street continuity, so Freddy v Jason takes place after Freddy's Dead. And FvJ takes place between Jason Goes to Hell and Jason X.
Doug! Are you doing #NoShaveNovember?
movember?
Zappy Caboose I'm taking part of movember.
Obviously not because of the intro
Zappy Caboose Or is he now sponsored by the dollar shave club too?
Arnold Hernandez "Don't get used to this, it will grow back"
Yeah... I don't get what you're saying. Plus, I wasn't asking you.
The water thing was never made explicitly something he's afraid of or his weakness, but it has served as both throughout the series. In Jason Takes Manhatten, it's a flooded sewer that turns him into a child again, in a couple of other movies he's defeated by being put into the lake. Given he drowned in the lake as a child, it certainly makes sense. And there is evidence for it, even if it hadn't been explicitly said.
the beginning of Jason X when he gets frozen is set in 2010. Freddy vs. Jason is presumably set in the year is came out in 2003.
In the original Friday the 13th, Jason was dead. His mother was the one killing the campers.
She blamed the kids for her son's drowning, since all the counselors were either having sex or getting high (Horror Tropes Assemble!)
So, I assume the fear of water comes from that. I can't recall anything else without Googling it.
“dead” in the loosest of quotation marks.
All these people commenting on Doug without the beard must have never seen his '89 Godzilla or Mortal Kombat Annihilation reviews from way back.
Actually, almost a year ago he shaved it when he played Isaac in the Children of the Corn review
you mean 98 godzilla right?
EVO6reviews
Y-yeah that's totally what I meant.
Was gonna say, I want to know when he reviewed Godzilla vs Biollante from 1989.
and Hocus Pocus
Ronny Yu, the director, only saw the first films of each franchise.
In Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan, Jason literally swims from Camp Crystal Lake all the way to New York... he is not afraid of water.
I think Rob stole Doug's beard.
Now that you've mentioned it, you have to do Van Helsing soon.
Freddy Vs Jason is supposed to take up action after Jason Goes to Hell, it mainly shows this at the end of jason goes to hell when Freddy's glove comes p out of the ground and grabs the mask
Jason wasn't afraid of water.Jason Takes Manhanttan takes place on a boat.And he's emerged from water before to kill people in at least two times.
sadfat grrl
Yep. The filmmakers said that it was buried deep in his subconscious and that's where they were so...hydrophobia.
Freddy's mind powers increases Jason's child fear of the cause of his death, making him relive it. He has no inherent fear....in the beginning he was ever lurking beneath the waters of Crystal Lake...
I'm really glad the review got to a million so fast. Made my romance-loving heart happy.
missemeriin, you are very pretty
Random Whiterun Guard ur a perv
missemeriin He hit a million?
Yeah the review hit it today.
Charlie oddfellow my mother tells me that all the time
As one of the local horror geeks: Jason is NEVER afraid of water in the previous films....that's been a subject of much message board rage. I re-checked Freddy's kills, and there doesn't seem to be a single one that's actually a little kid.
He obviously changed his MO postmortem. ....Dammit, Freddy - you used to STAND for something!!!
Jason showed his fearlessness especially in part 6 when he went in after tommy jarvis
I think that one of the only really great crossovers is the 2004 Alien Vs Predator movie. It has it;s fair share of problems but just seeing these to aliens on screen fighting is just so amazing and us poor humans getting caught up in the mix just makes me feel like them in that situation and how awesome and yet terrifying that would be. AVP is an example of getting things to an ok slandered then we look at something like AVP requiem that tried to hard to amp it up which made into a movie that missed so many marks that it basically becomes a failure. Amazing work as always Critic congratulations on hitting one million views on your review, seeing as how that is aboot how much you make per vid I hope you get that many subs one day. I hope that one day I will grow as much as you have, by the by if anyone is interested in hearing more of my thoughts or things like that; Hey I'm NC JR I remember ABOOT it because I need reassurance that I'm not the only one EH. Wishing NC senior would review more things from your generation(1999-2010) Never Fear your friendly neighborhood Canadian Critic is here. LATEST REVIEW TEEN TITANS
I completely agree with the fact that AVP Requiem is absolute shit but I can't quite say that the first one was any better. It was just fanfare to see them fighting on screen but the rest of it is mostly characters we don't care about, there are a few but not a lot and just silly decisions. I hope you review those films so that you further explain your point.
Awesome Channel by the by you got my sub.
Thanks dude and to each his own. I can look past the small faults of the first one to enjoy it for what it is, a fun alien mash up of characters we have loved for years and since we begged them into a corner we got what we got.
I really like when you review a bad movie,but you do acknowledge great stuff in it.
Jason was never afraid of water in the movies, in fact he actually went into the water all the time with no problem. It's just one of those additions.
Yeah, it was quite confusing as an addition, seeing as he spent, like, 30 movies basically living IN the water between camp visits, lol...
Maybe he was just scared of visualized gravity and people thought it was the water itself that was the problem..
I always thought the movie was insinuating it was a /subconscious/ fear Jason had. Jason (nearly?) drowned as a child, that's got to leave some sort of trauma or scarring on him even if he doesn't show it. Besides, Freddy is known for using peoples' subconscious fears against them; he's famous for it. Plus, with it being a subconscious fear, it wouldn't affect Jason in the real world; he'd be able to be under the lake no problem.
How dare you trash talk Jason X! It was the greatest comedy EVER!
the funny thing is. Freddy really had no intention on fighting Jason up until Jason stole Freddy's kill.
Hey Rob, Arrow Season 5 pretty much did away with Olicity and went back to the Season 1-Season 2 formula of actual good choreography, actually using trick arrows like the comics, and having Oliver go back to his old methods of "basically kill everyone". It's shaping up as a terrific season so far.
It's blue mostly on Jason scenes because he drowned when he was alive. On Freddy scenes it's mostly red because on his backstory he burned to death.
Jason drowned in the lake at camp Crystal when he was a child. That's why he's afraid of water and you see him as a child in the dream world.
Thank you, I fixed it
Jason X takes place after Freddy vs. Jason.
Doug looks pretty good without a beard
Hey Rob is that your kid?
If you guys are interested, in Friday the 13th, Jason isn't necessarily scared of water. In the films, he's stopped by being killed again in the lake, which is where he was originally drowned, like with a boat propeller, a gas tank like Jaws, ect. He doesn't show fear of the lake or water, but if FvJ takes place after Friday the 13th part 5-6, he'd have an understandable fear of water, before he left Camp Crystal Lake.
well In Godzilla vs King Kong, they only fight twice. but theres a good amount in between. Godzilla shows up & starts destroying stuff, Kong shows up starts destroying stuff Godzilla & Kong fight & then repeat. they build up the fights between the two by ( the army ) trying to find ways to stop them without having them kill each other & destroy everything. I love King kong vs Godzilla but in a lot of ways it doesn't hold up but at the same time its Godzilla so you kinda go along with the craziness.
No, I haven't. Yes there is talking but when its on the army the talking is about there plan to stop Godzilla & Kong. Godzilla for the first half then Kong which leads to them just letting them fight & the first fight was about 2 minutes & the last one was about 10 minutes. that talking means something & actually leads to seeing them set up there plan & what happens. its the smartest the military as been in the Godzilla movies & i'd argue the search for kong is a needed scene to build to the fight. but the other characters the couples, the tv boss & his yes men are pretty boring & a waste of time but really that's Godzilla movies in a nutshell when it comes to the human characters.
Hopefully there's more of a fight in the remake, except Godzilla's going to win.
You look better sans beard.
did you just added french ? X)
smoogles no!
smoogles yeah I was gonna say fresh face looks. ....... cuter
Nah, I think Doug looks better with the beard. I wouldn't mind Rob shaving though, it's nothing personal as I think the "facial hair on just the chin" look doesn't suit anyone.
He kinda reminds me of a stereotypical nerdy step-dad like this.
Jason was NOT afraid of water in the last films. Drives me nuts! He goes right into the water, after Tommy Jarvis, and he traps Jason. Then he pretty much swims to Manhattan! Criminy with these movie makers. 😫
*Hmm, well, let's see here:*
Jason is about to attack Freddy, then suddenly stops in the presence of falling water, and the tone changes color. He appears frightened and Freddy comments, *"So you are afraid of something after all."* Freddy then drenches Jason, who reverts to a helpless child as if remembering when he drowned, which happens to involve WATER.
*Yeah, no idea how audiences may interpret from that scene that he was "insinuated" to fear water, lol. If that wasn't what was intended, maybe the writers should have thought their presentation through a bit more.*
+*Ricki-Lynn Coutler* No one watched the 187th Friday The 13th sequel except for like 5 people.
Hydraulic Particle Me and well over 5 people I know have watched all the Friday the 13th films before, as well as the Elm Street films, guess we're nobodies too. *WHOO, awesome!*
*#Nobodyandproud*
Subconscious mind works differently
Obito Uchiha That doesn't matter if what we see onscreen doesn't convey it clearly enough for viewers to discern the writer's intention.
Show this scene to anyone who hasn't already seen it or watched the Crystal Lake Memories documentary, I guarantee a majority of them will initially react: *"Why does he fear water?"*
Even if this is Jason's subconscious mind, there's no distinct evidence to signify that and no clear difference between this dream world vs really any in the Elm Street series.
Even when Freddy stabs into Jason's head, that doesn't say *"Wow, he must be pouring into his subconscious"*. It could just be him messing with Jason's mind again, he does that in various ways to a lot of characters.
You can't blame audiences for making an interpretation based on what's shown to them because they didn't read into it enough or know what the writers were thinking at that time. That's the creators' responsibility in visual storytelling, to think it through.
So theres a theory stating that the events of Jason X are actually a dream that Freddy created in order to test Jason and see how strong he was.
Anyone else think that could be true.
Side Track: Picard encountered the Borg after Best of Both Worlds, but they were incidental encounters with small groups or a singular Borg. And if recollection serves, they were always drones disenchanted/disconnected from the Hive Mind. He didn't encounter a full scale invasion again until First Contact. An invasion that nearly devastated Starfleet, had he not gone against orders and intervened. So he never had that level of stress to deal with again until First Contact. Stress directly related to his actions being responsible for the fate of Starfleet.
Freddy is a Child Killer ---- Jason is a Child
Also, in the timeline this movie takes place after 'Jason goes to Hell', before 'Jason X'.
Kinda surprised they didn't respond to the Kingdom Hearts joke they made
Aww, I freaking love Van Helsing.
I like baby Doug, he's so cute.
huh.........Doug's a handsome fellow underneath the shrub
i looked at the thumbnail and i was like "who the hell is the guy on the left looking all goofy? " i am so sorry XD
Film dose hold up and also it shows them strengths and weekness
Aww, Beardy III didn't make it past one year? Sad. RIP BEARDY III, October 2015-NOVEMBER 2016
looks fine without a beard.
like the old days, this movie should've been, Freddy meets Jason
Agreed
Oh no, now every time I see Doug without the beard I think of the Hocus Pocus review...oh no...oh no...
I love how your room is nothing but books.
No Jason was never afraid of water, as for Jason X why would they tie a film in if it took place 500 or so years in the future?? sure it came 1st, but it's the very end of the timeline.
After 'Jason Goes to Hell', canonically.
We need more horror vs movies.
If you have any idea for match ups replay to comment, I love to hear people's ideas.
Here's some I thought of
Jason vs Michael
Michael vs letherface
Candyman vs Freddy
Pinhead vs Freddy
Evil dead vs pumpkin head
Phantasm vs candyman
Just some of ideas I have if you have some still would like to read them.
DetlaPrime350 Pinhead vs Freddy would be so trippy and awesome I'd never thought of that one before
DetlaPrime350 how about The Host vs Lake Placid?
The Slashvengers
DetlaPrime350 Jeepers vs. Creepers
You guys know that dimension films was going to make Helloween where Micheal and Pinhead, fought one another. John Carpenter would have directed it, while Clive Baker would have wrote. But before they got started on Production, Dimesion films did an online poll, to see if the fans wanted this movie, and it came back negative. Either because Micheal had no way of beating Pinhead, or due to Freddy vs Jason being such a bad movie (enjoyable but bad).
And then there was Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, it would have been a movie if New Line Cinema hadn't stopped it, but at least that became a comic. That's more than I can say for most horror crossovers.
Doug, who shaves for no shave november? dafuq man
I agree with the whole building up why they'd fight. I think either have him get his powers sooner or somehow have Freddy get into the real world. Like maybe when he was messing with Jason and Jason grabs him and wakes up. That's a good ten minutes of fighting right there.
Dogs and cats living together. Cubs winning. Mass Hysteria.
You know, I keep thinking every time I hear Rob's voice, that he should do Film Noir style readings.
Freddy🆚Jason is a slasher masterpiece!!
Brad hates the addition of Jason being afraid of water.
I love you guys. It's cool seeing you two talk candidly, all NC acting aside (although I love Nostalgia Critic episodes!) :-)
The Nostalgia Critic doesn't review campy slashers. So, *for me*, it was cool to see you review this movie.
The Nightmare on Elm Street 2010 reboot is probably my second favorite. It takes itself much more seriously than what other installments did, to the cost of less comedical scenes, which I think works in its favor - it's just not that type of movie. Totally worth the watch!
YAHOO! Chicago Cubs 2016 World Series Champs! Finally the dought is over! GO CUBS!!!
Jason was never seen being that afraid of the water unless you will count that trippy sewer scene in Jason Takes Manhattan. I think the reason why Voorhees suddenly goes fetal in FvJ is because, well, Freddy's homefield advantage. Fear is Freddy's source of power and I guess his realm just amplifies that.
Still think Freddy could have save himself some time if he just disguised himself as Mama Voorhees again and just sweet talk Jason into "sleeping" again instead of provoking him into a fight...
DUDE! You guys read Berserk?
who watches the watchmen ?
Random Whiterun Guard Guts did it!
I thought it was Nixon
Nicholas Putnam Teamwork!
Nightmare On Elm Street... funny beginning?
you forgot evil dead, first one: kind a serious, second one: awsome!
Freddy vs Jason vs Ash, the comic sequel to this movie was pretty fun. If you haven't read it I recommend you do.
I Didn't know about the driving into the knife factory thing. That was stupid. In the 1st nightmare movie, not believing in Freddy was his weakness.
Norman Reedus hooked up with Doug earlier and has his beard bagged in his freezer at home. Andy's has a friend now! *:D*
dougs beard shavings are on the floor in the corner lol
The additional Dipper jokes make the thoughts better.
He looks so much younger! And strangely smaller....
Wow, you actually look really good in that hat and with a shave.
Cubs won it after 108 years! what a day in Chicago history
Wow, Doug looks 10 years younger without the beard.
THE CUBS WON F YEAH
"Arrow has Olicity and I'm kinda done with that" Oh my god SAME!!!
To help you guys out in terms of Jason's timeline in Jason X: Its technically a spoiler movie since it takes place after Freddy vs Jason and possibly Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. Jason was never afraid of water in the series, they added that in Freddy vs Jason.
"You should be what the title of your film is."
Man, you must HATE Fargo and Chinatown.
Reading the character sheet on tvtropes for Nightmare on Elm Street, The teens Freddy goes after in the first movie are the grown up kids he died trying to kill
Jason's fear of water is not in any other movie. He goes underwater constantly in the series.
*sigh* you made a bet with that guy with the glasses didn't you ?
Not this time. TGWTG is dead.
shame since it was better than bum reviews & the critic
Well, from A New Beginning onwards, the Friday movies did get increasingly weird and creative. From the killer being the crazed father of one of Jason's previous victims, Jason being resurrected via a metal pole that got electrified via lightning, him battling a psychic girl and then going to Manhattan, and finally him turning out to be a weird worm parasite and heading off into space.
Roy wasn’t a father of a previous victim. Vic killed Joey, Roy just took inspiration. 🧐
Doug looks good shaved. i likte it
Can't wait to see you guys at Kami Con in Birmingham Alabama in January!
8:45
Sounds like you guys need AVGN on the scene, yeah?
I still can't get over the fact that you were confused when Freddy was brought into the real world, even though this was something that's been established since the _first friggin movie!_
freddy vrs Jason was better than batman v superman.
For years I forgot this movie even existed but was on TV a few days ago.
I actually liked Van Helsing, but looking back… yeah, mostly it was just because it was lively and well-choreographed. The first fight was good though like you mention, and I was endlessly amused by how great his sidekick's throwing arm is.
Lmao that shot at the CW XD! I watch Flash, Arrow and Legends and that is so true what Doug said XD
To your question about Jason being afraid of water, he was never afraid in the stand alone movies. I think they just added that for this one. I was ok with it, it taking place in the dream realm and following dream logic.
Jason Vor Heese drowned at Crystal Lake. during the first movie his mom went around killing the camp councilors who let her son. i don't think Jason even makes an appearance in the first movie. and if he did it was actually his mom.
His only appearance in the first movie is in a dream Alice has in the end where he comes out of the water and pulls her under.
Anastasios Gionis your right. also no hockey mask. he's a corpse.