I wonder if that dream jung had about the sarcophagi was about? Also im glad he didnt see the internet, conssidering his discovery of The collective unconsious ⌚🐟🍀
Jung wrote about his patients being the proto-herd that Fritz warned about. The solution to Jung was the same solution posited by Nietzsche. Schatzen and Gestalt. To find meaning where it is sourced. Within. To find that no one aspect of 'us' is the real us, it is a complex of all our parts. Individuation is realizing our gestalten. "I have treated many hundreds of patients. Among those in the second half of life - that is to say, over 35 - there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life." ― Carl Gustav Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul A religious view in life: that is to see ourselves as the arbiter of meaning, value, creating... Let you be the greatest of your creations...
Thank you for helping me find my purpose in life, you have been such a guide in my understanding of life, which led to me figuring out I could write poetry, and also for my passion for psychology and philosophy too. You are a true free spirit passing on the flame.
I eat this up. I’ve watched like 5 videos in the past 2 days. All I wanna do is hear you talk about people. It’s like story time. I’m strapped in the whole time.
My own theory that community, eklessia, sangha, is the heart of our malaise. As Nietzsche said we are knowers but the last we will know is ourselves. So 'I and thou' of Buber: that means not knowing ourselves is to never know others. To never truly be a part of an authentic community. Thus the malaise. Ourselves, each other and our world is fake, and we know it. All the world is a stage and we but actors upon it. The world does not have to be, we do not need be. We can be agents rather than actors: but that will take sustained courage . So many lack the fortitude for sustained effort or courage...
Recently have fallen in love with your podcasts. Funnily enough this book is how I started to dive into philosophy more and read it twice these past 6 months. Excited to listen to another great commentary keep up the amazing work!
Much of Jung's point about religion is really one of forming and maintaining a connection to the divine, a matter of spirit rather than theistic ideology. Religion was simply a potential means to that end, in Jung's belief. But Jung also believed that organized religion could serve to prevent the individual from having a genuine spiritual experience. So I think that this particular part of his work is best understood in terms of spiritual experience, not religious adherence (and not least of all because of the fact that the word "religion" differs so much in interpretation between people). Basically Jung's argument here is that without transcending the corporeal forces of nature and nurture, then free will is entirely impossible, and thus the individual remains a mindless object upon which those subjects (including the people around him) act. I believe Jung to be correct about spirituality, and Nietzsche right about religion, but each on a situational basis. For example, many of those who have even their own individual spiritual experiences are really just constructing a system of values, from axioms not their own, and are only superficially distinct from the herd ('tis often, in fact, that their spirituality exists for the primary purpose of convincing themselves that they are free from influences that their spirituality is designed to serve). This is not to say that one must be explicitly spiritually active to be spiritually realised in some way. Spirituality is quite often implicitly realised and enacted. There are people who purport to be spiritually-developed (for lack of a better term) who are completely void of any progress in the wedding 'tween spirit and soul, and professed atheists who have acquired significant amounts of gnosis. I believe this to be why Crowley considered Nietzsche to be a Gnostic saint (a choice of word that is ironic to the point of pathology, I know) of some kind (Crowley's opinion on this is what I am citing, I'm not arguing for its validity). I appreciate your channel (which is my absolute favourite on any platform) and you very much, my brother. Much love from New Zealand.
Great video. I love learning about Jung and Nietzsche, and you make their complex ideas more understandable without dumbing them down (Like JBP). I think the way ideas are communicated is very important, and you do a better job than most professors.
1:30:00 "The most dangerous thing about unconsciousness is that it goes on without our knowing it. We live, act, and think unconsciously and cannot see the consequences of our actions." "The most frequent cause of human error is unconsciousness. It is always the unconscious that pushes us into the worst errors." Jung
Yet, how do we evolve towards self-observation and self-reflection? Confronting our shadow figures projected onto unknown acquaintances or "enemies." The unconscious holds all our fears, hostilities, secrets, wishes, and hopes. View the errors of life as our friends, not enemies -- a door opener to self-discovery.
@alohm - Yes, this unconsciousness is what we observe in other animal species. Apparently, these other creatures have more of this unconsciousness thing going on than we do, which supposedly sets us humans apart. But that can be called into question.
Thank you for this great episode again! What sets you apart are the synthesis building of different people and distanced and careful words not to project a specific belief
1:37:50 I would point out that Jung likely meant to refer to Augustine and his Caritas, just as Hannah Arendt wrote her thesis on the same. A love not often mentioned today. Augustine distinguishes two types of love: heavenly love (caritas) and earthly love (cupiditas). Could I argue a similar unification found in Tantra(I argue Fritz and Jung would have loved a true tantric perspective on life and meta).
This is the reason that Jung interests few people. Everything is cloaked in poetic symbolism. Was Jung seeking heavenly or earthy love when balling his students occasionally?
@untimelyreflections, have you, in your travels, had the occasion to come upon Edward Edinger’s work subsequent to Jung, in which he provides tremendously compelling evidence of Nietzsche’s encounter with Zarathustra as akin to Arjuna encountering Krishna, Saul encountering Christ on the road to Damascus and Jacob wrestling with the angel? Not unlike Jung’s own encounter with Philemon. The “Greater” or “Objective” Personality is what Edinger often uses as a term to refer to it.
yo, good job dude! had to chuckle a bit at 35:54 "nature experiments with the doctor in expecting an answer from them. the uniqueness of the individual & of their situation stares the analyst in the face and demands an answer" this is an accurate definition of parenthood just replace "doctor" & "analyst" with parent. :)
The Shadow can only explain so much of where we are now. Sure, mankind isn't a creature who is the maker of his own fate, but the public is also very opposed to war. "One of the hopeful things that I’ve discovered is that nearly every war that has started in the past 50 years has been a result of media lies. The media could’ve stopped it if they had searched deep enough; if they hadn’t reprinted government propaganda they could’ve stopped it.” - Julian Assange
@DrRDW I see that mechanism. But you're no doubt aware of Herman and Chomsky's work, Manufacturing Consent. The idea is to craft a narrative that paints military intervention as a moral obligation.
Superb. I appreciated your explication of Jung's critique of the statistical average, and of the many ways that this problem or limit manifests itself.
Reading the manifesto of futurism and learning about the cultural ideas leading up to WW1 in college really blew my mind. People really did believe they could end the war in a matter of days due to the technology
I may be inferring more than i should, but i think the reason (1:00:09) Jung sees religion in a foundamental different way is exactlt because of the religious experience he had troughout his life, the same type of experience that he says is the one which may "save" you, or at least keep you grounded, and my understanding that this has to be some kind of mystical experience, not something flashy, but some kind of reassurance that comes from something more than just irrational unconscious atitudes towards life. I often am impressed by stories of those who have any type of mystical experiences (consistently all throughout their lives), all of them (the ones i have studied) seem to have this groundedness that you are mentioning in this video. They seem to have devoloped this faculty of looking inward and becoming aware of things we often are blind to, or simply dismiss, i think it is the same faculty Nietzsche has developed that he shows of very brightly when talking about the human condition, it drives and impulses, that for most are imperceptible. This faculty, associated with religion, or not really seems to be the best way to navigate life.
Maybe nietzche just doesn't regarded this type of awareness as coming from somewhere religious because of his absolute negation of everything related to religion, just like an teenager that revolts itself with something and throws everything in the same garbage can . Or maybe Jung just always had the tendency to see religious things in a more positive way. Either way I think they are talking about the same thing.
You said artists can be un-self-reflective in some very stunning ways. I have my own thoughts about which ways, but I'm curious about which ways you have in mind. It does seem like the ability to get into creative flow states involves necessarily suppressing analytical thought. And there can be a feeling of "channeling" something which seems meaningful, but the artist doesn't have any ideas about the meaning. Maybe in retrospect when somebody asks "What does this piece mean?"
The angry mob gains a spontaneous shared fantasy (Sam Vaknin thinks along these lines). Thank you for your lucid interpretation of Jung. It's the best 👌 Your broad ranged ,inclusive perspectives of economics and geopolitics bring exceptional wisom to 1:17:54 Jung's holistic 🌎 world view of humanity, all in one video. I must get your book 😂💖💫
We have absolutely come nowhere near the precipice, thankfully. It does feel something is brewing, but having been involved in actual riots, I can say we are quite far from the actual edge of mass psychosis when we are capable and privileged of exploring our cultural anxieties about the nature of next steps.
2:00 So ... how much of our morality and mind is a result of the tings like the steam engine and other powers humanity has now?? Environment is NOT the result of the mind ORIGINALLY but now the environment IS in large part if not MOST OF IT a result of human activity, which is driven by necessity and mind. How to act and this beyond the environments we have??
Another interesting video thank you. Whilst your philosophical analysis of the differences between Jung and Nietzsche has been excellent, I think its incomplete, as you havent done justice to Jungs psychological analysis of Nietzsche. In simple terms, you have omitted Jungs belief that Nietzsches feeling function is completely undifferentiated and not part of his ego-consciousness. We can see this in the personal man and once one understands this, it sheds a great light on his philosophy.
I guess I just wonder how you would, in practice, distinguish between genuine religious experiences and fake ones. Some say that a genuine religious experience is self authenticating, you know when you had it, but there is still the asymmetry where people can convince themselves they had one, when they didn't. Some of the craziest people claimed they had these kinds of experiences, apparently some Nazis thought they were connected to ancient Aryan spirits. I recognize the dangers of following the herd but there is also the danger of believing whatever your mind cooks up. We might remember reformers who were religious, like Gandhi or MLK in a positive light but the opposite of this also exists. We could just say that those negative cases never had a genuine religious experience, but how do we know?
The way that I would describe Jung's insight about religion is that it is a nonscientific but valid way of describing human experience from a global perspective. All in all, from youth to old age, we are better off helping one another. There is no scientific way to prove that is the best social policy. But people recognize in the life of Jesus the truth of the approach -- truth based on practicality, but also truth based on feeling when we live in that manner. Other religius traditions have different kings, saints, heroes and stories.
See? Many are religious folks trying to validate Christ and the Christian Doctrine. I'm happy for you, but I only began to get better when I left the church in my early twenties. However, I'm not a philosopher, scholar, or academic. I gained knowledge experientially by searching within instead of hoping God could help me.
Engaging, pleasant and stimulating, but with a blindspot for which the comment section is poorly suited: so, if I may recommend the collection of three short essays Fascism: A Counter-History, especially Liberalism & Fascism: The Good Cop & Bad Cop of Capitalism, by Gabriel Rockhill. Best wishes
I can't stop thinking about how the most Jungian thing that I've ever read is Chapter 4. The Despisers of the Body from Thus Spake Zarathustra. Jung clearly felt the consequences of that in a psychosis and really fleshed out the idea. Nietzsche's magnum opus was the myth of the unconscious, Freud's great work was the Science and Jung's was an earnest attempt and the fusion of the ideas.
Clearly, he failed. There was too much competition between the two of them. Both were attempting to make names for themselves, probably Freud more so than Jung.
@untimelyreflections I mistakenly deleted my comment with your reply. I also wanted to ask if you have any plans on covering Foucalt in a podcast(you replied that a podcast on Heidegger is coming soon)? Sorry for bothering you. 🙏
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@@Maria-b9j5w He was not "holy" because he was clueless about his libido (Oedipus complex); hence, he repeatedly had sex with his patients and students. Yes.
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The Christian concept of the logos (little l) includes all means of communication, including dancing, math, music, poetry, architecture, eroticism, etc. It is not limited only to 'words.'
I'm sorry to share my reflections because it may upset viewers. 56:05 Spontaneous acceptance of Christianity can be traced to the origin of a delusional fixation of JC. This is a hypothesis of mine, I believe.
10:40 ""...if the entire world can go mad, what does that mean for humanity??..."" He never defined this UNDEFINABLE term, 'mad', so he keeps speaking of it in those terms, and I disagree with Jung, on this as well as many other things, I don't think the regular soldier with no CHOICE but forced into battle is "mad"... same with all other REGULAR people, and I would suggest even MOST politicians, they confronted the events that CASCADED from a few mad men, with the ONLY tools they had at their disposal, but since those few mad men in charge at the top, they failed to rain them under control. The checks and balances didn't work as intended, the mad men undid most of those controls, once in power. Only then did fear made them act like mad people, but they were conscious of being outside there morality, as shown immediately after the mad men were defeated. It is the morality and norms for war, against the morality and rules for peace times that keep the ever encroaching "power corrupts" fact in check. Now in 2024-25 we are about to put those restraining controls to the test yet one more time; bc the few mad people are coming out into the open aggressively again. And propaganda like the one that guy who hired models to smoke cigarettes during a parade, is already openly in circulation, how many people can identify it or resist it?? Nietzsche said that the STATE is the most horrifying invention humankind ever created, a monster. And Jug made Nietzsche's clear ideas more convoluted and thus more difficult to understand, but I have as yet to see any ONE original idea from Jung, all the things he is famous for in psychology or psychoanalysis are not his, Nietzsche anticipated all of this. So Jung "helped" to create what exactly?? He helped propagate, popularize, or diffuse ideas. If he weren't so intelligent I am tempted to cal him a charlatan, like the current Jordan Peterson and Deepak Chopra. Read Peterson's "Maps Of Meaning" and see whose books he reminds you of?? Or listen to Depack Chppra and his insane use of quantum mechanics' terms to fool people and...
I find it ironic that Jung distances himself from scientific 'statistical thinking' while simultaneously painting this' average man on the street' as needing an inner religious conviction to ward off herd mentality. When he's speaking for this 'average man' he is categorically doing so with a statistical generality. Furthermore, he frames this 'inner spiritual conviction' in a weird (unconscious?) presupposition of culturally Christian values that have normalized private religious devotion and liberties to profess propositional knowledge sanctioned by institutional creeds and dogmas. The creed is not simply something that reflects the inner experience of the so-called mystic; many times, the latter is at odds because it conflicts with the dogmas of the institution. This is why, for instance, the Christian church has a history of 'heretics,' because these are the few people who don't go along with the masses attending Mass, for example.
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But the challenges are always the same underlying issues that point back to the drive theory. And this is why Jung fails in comparison to Freud's original ideas. What Jung fails to mention is that nothing really changes.
Yes, the Drive Theory is fundamentally essential and primary. Sam Vaknin is updating psychoanalytic thinking. The PSA has been holding psychoanalysis back for a century, IMO. How the drive theory is presented online by traditional psychoanalysts drives me nuts!
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Sonu Shamdasani "The Redbook, " Libra Novus edited and with an Introduction. "The Making of Jung's Myth: Archivo di Storia della Psicologia, with Alejandro, from South America in English. A new way of studying the history of pschotherapy. External history is much more than the history of sciences. It is impossible to study a history hybrinized in other new countries. 1. 1963 Jung's Reflections in 1963 his 83rd year. 3 major studies Jung's Myth - 1967 Mary Luiz Vanon Francis - 1972 1984, Edward Ettinger, "The Consciousness for Man." Find your on myth self- introspection and self- reflections. Frederick Nietzsche, writing "The Birth of Tragedy," with the Opera of Wagner. Jan.1, 1914 Jung's dream of the Lybian desert. Jung's eye addressed the sun. A beetle sticks to things. Do they live a myth? Higher powers, diamonds, and gods, one must not give over to gods. Exocertic and essoteric.
54:30 I Would point out that Nietzsche was a philologist, and Jung was intimidated by his command of German, not to mention the other languages. I think we should consider the root of religion especially when discussing these two. Religio. Or in Sanskrit that better defines this. Sraddha is faith, but it is devotion, commitment, and confidence. Doubt is part of this path, and we can often vacillate between them. But it is not certainty, nor something given. Look at the Greek word used when Jesus asks the lady if she was a believer: Pisteuo means to be convinced, to be committed... (believe (239x), commit unto (4x), commit to (one's) trust (1x), be committed unto (1x), be put in trust with (1x), be commit to one's trust (1x), believer (1x).)
### The Roots of Religion: "Religio" and "Sraddha" The exploration of the root of "religion" is particularly compelling. The Latin term *religio* often implies a sense of binding or commitment, which aligns with the idea of being deeply connected to something greater than oneself. This ties into the Sanskrit term *sraddha*, which, as you rightly note, encompasses more than just faith-it includes devotion, commitment, and confidence. Unlike a passive or unquestioning belief, *sraddha* suggests an active, dynamic process where doubt plays a crucial role. This concept challenges the idea that faith is about certainty; instead, it's about a committed engagement with the unknown, where one is constantly navigating between doubt and conviction. ### Greek Perspective: "Pisteuo" and the Nature of Belief Your reference to the Greek term *pisteuo*, used in the context of belief in the New Testament, further enriches this discussion. *Pisteuo* translates not simply to "believe" in a passive sense, but to "be convinced" or "committed." This implies a conscious decision to trust, a commitment that goes beyond mere intellectual assent. It’s a form of belief that requires active participation and a degree of personal investment. In the story of Jesus and the lady, *pisteuo* suggests that belief is less about accepting a set of dogmas and more about a profound personal commitment to a relationship or an idea. ### Integrating These Concepts with Nietzsche and Jung When discussing Nietzsche and Jung, this understanding of faith as a dynamic, committed process provides a new lens through which to view their ideas. Nietzsche’s critique of traditional religion as a source of "slave morality" could be seen not as a rejection of faith per se, but of a faith that lacks *sraddha*-one that is not actively engaged or questioned. Similarly, Jung’s emphasis on individuation and the integration of the self could be seen as a journey of *pisteuo*, where the individual commits to the difficult path of self-discovery and authenticity. ### Faith, Doubt, and Authenticity Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities that are central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others. This nuanced understanding of faith, rooted in linguistic and cultural context, offers a powerful framework for discussing the ideas of Nietzsche and Jung, particularly in relation to the challenges of modern life and the search for meaning.
@@alohm You stated, "Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others." My question is, why do those who are religious cling to certainty yet have no understanding of who they are, except as a person of their religious faith?
@@bellakrinkle9381 Because they tend, as J.Krishnamurti said in 1929 when he dissolved the order of the star in the east. He said that organized religions tend to take place for the self discovery, and the agency is replaced by the tractate of another.
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I wonder if that dream jung had about the sarcophagi was about?
Also im glad he didnt see the internet, conssidering his discovery of
The collective unconsious
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Jung wrote about his patients being the proto-herd that Fritz warned about. The solution to Jung was the same solution posited by Nietzsche. Schatzen and Gestalt. To find meaning where it is sourced. Within. To find that no one aspect of 'us' is the real us, it is a complex of all our parts. Individuation is realizing our gestalten.
"I have treated many hundreds of patients. Among those in the second half of life - that is to say, over 35 - there has not been one whose problem in the last resort was not that of finding a religious outlook on life." ― Carl Gustav Jung, Modern Man in Search of a Soul
A religious view in life: that is to see ourselves as the arbiter of meaning, value, creating... Let you be the greatest of your creations...
Thank you for helping me find my purpose in life, you have been such a guide in my understanding of life, which led to me figuring out I could write poetry, and also for my passion for psychology and philosophy too. You are a true free spirit passing on the flame.
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Yes!! I am so happy that you continue with Jung, amazing work! 🙏
I eat this up. I’ve watched like 5 videos in the past 2 days. All I wanna do is hear you talk about people. It’s like story time. I’m strapped in the whole time.
My own theory that community, eklessia, sangha, is the heart of our malaise. As Nietzsche said we are knowers but the last we will know is ourselves. So 'I and thou' of Buber: that means not knowing ourselves is to never know others. To never truly be a part of an authentic community. Thus the malaise.
Ourselves, each other and our world is fake, and we know it. All the world is a stage and we but actors upon it. The world does not have to be, we do not need be. We can be agents rather than actors: but that will take sustained courage . So many lack the fortitude for sustained effort or courage...
Recently have fallen in love with your podcasts. Funnily enough this book is how I started to dive into philosophy more and read it twice these past 6 months. Excited to listen to another great commentary keep up the amazing work!
Much of Jung's point about religion is really one of forming and maintaining a connection to the divine, a matter of spirit rather than theistic ideology. Religion was simply a potential means to that end, in Jung's belief. But Jung also believed that organized religion could serve to prevent the individual from having a genuine spiritual experience.
So I think that this particular part of his work is best understood in terms of spiritual experience, not religious adherence (and not least of all because of the fact that the word "religion" differs so much in interpretation between people). Basically Jung's argument here is that without transcending the corporeal forces of nature and nurture, then free will is entirely impossible, and thus the individual remains a mindless object upon which those subjects (including the people around him) act.
I believe Jung to be correct about spirituality, and Nietzsche right about religion, but each on a situational basis. For example, many of those who have even their own individual spiritual experiences are really just constructing a system of values, from axioms not their own, and are only superficially distinct from the herd ('tis often, in fact, that their spirituality exists for the primary purpose of convincing themselves that they are free from influences that their spirituality is designed to serve).
This is not to say that one must be explicitly spiritually active to be spiritually realised in some way. Spirituality is quite often implicitly realised and enacted. There are people who purport to be spiritually-developed (for lack of a better term) who are completely void of any progress in the wedding 'tween spirit and soul, and professed atheists who have acquired significant amounts of gnosis. I believe this to be why Crowley considered Nietzsche to be a Gnostic saint (a choice of word that is ironic to the point of pathology, I know) of some kind (Crowley's opinion on this is what I am citing, I'm not arguing for its validity).
I appreciate your channel (which is my absolute favourite on any platform) and you very much, my brother. Much love from New Zealand.
Great video. I love learning about Jung and Nietzsche, and you make their complex ideas more understandable without dumbing them down (Like JBP). I think the way ideas are communicated is very important, and you do a better job than most professors.
1:30:00 "The most dangerous thing about unconsciousness is that it goes on without our knowing it. We live, act, and think unconsciously and cannot see the consequences of our actions."
"The most frequent cause of human error is unconsciousness. It is always the unconscious that pushes us into the worst errors."
Jung
Yet, how do we evolve towards self-observation and self-reflection? Confronting our shadow figures projected onto unknown acquaintances or "enemies." The unconscious holds all our fears, hostilities, secrets, wishes, and hopes. View the errors of life as our friends, not enemies -- a door opener to self-discovery.
@@bellakrinkle9381 Read Jung's Red Book ;)
Do you know if anyone here understands my question?
@@bellakrinkle9381 he called it individuation. To know what differentiates you from others. Self exploring begins by looking at and into others first.
@alohm - Yes, this unconsciousness is what we observe in other animal species. Apparently, these other creatures have more of this unconsciousness thing going on than we do, which supposedly sets us humans apart. But that can be called into question.
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Thank you for this great episode again! What sets you apart are the synthesis building of different people and distanced and careful words not to project a specific belief
Some of the best work on the breakdown of Jung’s thoughts. Great work
Decades before Jung the Mass Psychosis was analyzed by Gustav Lebon. For me is a mystery why Lebon's books are relatively unknown now.
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1:37:50 I would point out that Jung likely meant to refer to Augustine and his Caritas, just as Hannah Arendt wrote her thesis on the same. A love not often mentioned today. Augustine distinguishes two types of love: heavenly love (caritas) and earthly love (cupiditas). Could I argue a similar unification found in Tantra(I argue Fritz and Jung would have loved a true tantric perspective on life and meta).
This is the reason that Jung interests few people. Everything is cloaked in poetic symbolism. Was Jung seeking heavenly or earthy love when balling his students occasionally?
Well done, great cast, hugely timely, intuit on.
@untimelyreflections, have you, in your travels, had the occasion to come upon Edward Edinger’s work subsequent to Jung, in which he provides tremendously compelling evidence of Nietzsche’s encounter with Zarathustra as akin to Arjuna encountering Krishna, Saul encountering Christ on the road to Damascus and Jacob wrestling with the angel?
Not unlike Jung’s own encounter with Philemon. The “Greater” or “Objective” Personality is what Edinger often uses as a term to refer to it.
yo, good job dude! had to chuckle a bit at 35:54 "nature experiments with the doctor in expecting an answer from them. the uniqueness of the individual & of their situation stares the analyst in the face and demands an answer" this is an accurate definition of parenthood just replace "doctor" & "analyst" with parent. :)
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The Shadow can only explain so much of where we are now. Sure, mankind isn't a creature who is the maker of his own fate, but the public is also very opposed to war. "One of the hopeful things that I’ve discovered is that nearly every war that has started in the past 50 years has been a result of media lies. The media could’ve stopped it if they had searched deep enough; if they hadn’t reprinted government propaganda they could’ve stopped it.”
- Julian Assange
Julian probably today understands that they did not choose to stop it. It's all about the tranfer of wealth and hegemony.
You disputed your argument. The media played on the shadow of the collective or the individual shadows of the masses, however you decide to view it.
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@DrRDW I see that mechanism. But you're no doubt aware of Herman and Chomsky's work, Manufacturing Consent. The idea is to craft a narrative that paints military intervention as a moral obligation.
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Superb. I appreciated your explication of Jung's critique of the statistical average, and of the many ways that this problem or limit manifests itself.
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Reading the manifesto of futurism and learning about the cultural ideas leading up to WW1 in college really blew my mind. People really did believe they could end the war in a matter of days due to the technology
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Scientism is a religion.
Timely and wonderful. Thank you 🌻
I'm very interested in Jung and your presentation of information is preferable to others I've seen. I hope you make more videos on him.
This is timely.
Noted, changing channel name to “Timely Reflections.”
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I may be inferring more than i should, but i think the reason (1:00:09) Jung sees religion in a foundamental different way is exactlt because of the religious experience he had troughout his life, the same type of experience that he says is the one which may "save" you, or at least keep you grounded, and my understanding that this has to be some kind of mystical experience, not something flashy, but some kind of reassurance that comes from something more than just irrational unconscious atitudes towards life.
I often am impressed by stories of those who have any type of mystical experiences (consistently all throughout their lives), all of them (the ones i have studied) seem to have this groundedness that you are mentioning in this video. They seem to have devoloped this faculty of looking inward and becoming aware of things we often are blind to, or simply dismiss, i think it is the same faculty Nietzsche has developed that he shows of very brightly when talking about the human condition, it drives and impulses, that for most are imperceptible.
This faculty, associated with religion, or not really seems to be the best way to navigate life.
Maybe nietzche just doesn't regarded this type of awareness as coming from somewhere religious because of his absolute negation of everything related to religion, just like an teenager that revolts itself with something and throws everything in the same garbage can . Or maybe Jung just always had the tendency to see religious things in a more positive way. Either way I think they are talking about the same thing.
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Fantastic!
You said artists can be un-self-reflective in some very stunning ways. I have my own thoughts about which ways, but I'm curious about which ways you have in mind. It does seem like the ability to get into creative flow states involves necessarily suppressing analytical thought. And there can be a feeling of "channeling" something which seems meaningful, but the artist doesn't have any ideas about the meaning. Maybe in retrospect when somebody asks "What does this piece mean?"
The angry mob gains a spontaneous shared fantasy (Sam Vaknin thinks along these lines).
Thank you for your lucid interpretation of Jung. It's the best 👌 Your broad ranged ,inclusive perspectives of economics and geopolitics bring exceptional wisom to 1:17:54 Jung's holistic 🌎 world view of humanity, all in one video. I must get your book 😂💖💫
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Anyone else feel we have already reached the precipice of mass psychosis?
Every election cycle
@untimelyreflections Last spring/summer I felt it with such great force that I nearly destroyed me.
We have absolutely come nowhere near the precipice, thankfully. It does feel something is brewing, but having been involved in actual riots, I can say we are quite far from the actual edge of mass psychosis when we are capable and privileged of exploring our cultural anxieties about the nature of next steps.
@@Nimbulus85 I'll be holding on to my seat for the next 12 months.
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Thank you for your clear mind. However, what words have you for mass delusion?
Thank you for these videos, I really look up to you man.
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So ... how much of our morality and mind is a result of the tings like the steam engine and other powers humanity has now?? Environment is NOT the result of the mind ORIGINALLY but now the environment IS in large part if not MOST OF IT a result of human activity, which is driven by necessity and mind.
How to act and this beyond the environments we have??
Another interesting video thank you. Whilst your philosophical analysis of the differences between Jung and Nietzsche has been excellent, I think its incomplete, as you havent done justice to Jungs psychological analysis of Nietzsche. In simple terms, you have omitted Jungs belief that Nietzsches feeling function is completely undifferentiated and not part of his ego-consciousness. We can see this in the personal man and once one understands this, it sheds a great light on his philosophy.
thanks man, wonderful stuff ...Can do Jung all day!
I guess I just wonder how you would, in practice, distinguish between genuine religious experiences and fake ones. Some say that a genuine religious experience is self authenticating, you know when you had it, but there is still the asymmetry where people can convince themselves they had one, when they didn't.
Some of the craziest people claimed they had these kinds of experiences, apparently some Nazis thought they were connected to ancient Aryan spirits. I recognize the dangers of following the herd but there is also the danger of believing whatever your mind cooks up. We might remember reformers who were religious, like Gandhi or MLK in a positive light but the opposite of this also exists. We could just say that those negative cases never had a genuine religious experience, but how do we know?
It’s an unsolvable problem, imo
The way that I would describe Jung's insight about religion is that it is a nonscientific but valid way of describing human experience from a global perspective. All in all, from youth to old age, we are better off helping one another. There is no scientific way to prove that is the best social policy. But people recognize in the life of Jesus the truth of the approach -- truth based on practicality, but also truth based on feeling when we live in that manner. Other religius traditions have different kings, saints, heroes and stories.
Paradoxically, Jung, Neitzche, Dostoyevsky, Camus and a few others led me to Christ.
See? Many are religious folks trying to validate Christ and the Christian Doctrine. I'm happy for you, but I only began to get better when I left the church in my early twenties. However, I'm not a philosopher, scholar, or academic. I gained knowledge experientially by searching within instead of hoping God could help me.
Engaging, pleasant and stimulating, but with a blindspot for which the comment section is poorly suited: so, if I may recommend the collection of three short essays Fascism: A Counter-History, especially Liberalism & Fascism: The Good Cop & Bad Cop of Capitalism, by Gabriel Rockhill. Best wishes
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great video. really interested in your take on ian mcgilchrist and the divided brain theory
Or what about Sam Vaknin's Whole Brain theory?
I can't stop thinking about how the most Jungian thing that I've ever read is Chapter 4. The Despisers of the Body from Thus Spake Zarathustra. Jung clearly felt the consequences of that in a psychosis and really fleshed out the idea. Nietzsche's magnum opus was the myth of the unconscious, Freud's great work was the Science and Jung's was an earnest attempt and the fusion of the ideas.
Clearly, he failed. There was too much competition between the two of them. Both were attempting to make names for themselves, probably Freud more so than Jung.
@untimelyreflections I mistakenly deleted my comment with your reply. I also wanted to ask if you have any plans on covering Foucalt in a podcast(you replied that a podcast on Heidegger is coming soon)? Sorry for bothering you. 🙏
Madness and Civilization coming soon
Great, thank you.
Eyge. Amazing episode
Finding one's inner being is a religious experience that far exceeds Christianity and all other religions.
It's a SPRITUAL EXPERIANCE. RELIGIONS are man made
What if a religion is your path to finding inner being? Why contrast these ideas?
I'm religious but not spiritual..
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Oh yes, the unholy triad, Nietzche, Freud and Jung
Jung is far from being unholy.
@@Maria-b9j5w He was not "holy" because he was clueless about his libido (Oedipus complex); hence, he repeatedly had sex with his patients and students. Yes.
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The Christian concept of the logos (little l) includes all means of communication, including dancing, math, music, poetry, architecture, eroticism, etc. It is not limited only to 'words.'
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I'm sorry to share my reflections because it may upset viewers. 56:05 Spontaneous acceptance of Christianity can be traced to the origin of a delusional fixation of JC. This is a hypothesis of mine, I believe.
Thanks!
Can you cover Julius Evola? He has some interesting things say about Nietzsche and the concept of the Ubermensch
Do a video on Zizek, the titan of our times.
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""...if the entire world can go mad, what does that mean for humanity??...""
He never defined this UNDEFINABLE term, 'mad', so he keeps speaking of it in those terms, and I disagree with Jung, on this as well as many other things, I don't think the regular soldier with no CHOICE but forced into battle is "mad"... same with all other REGULAR people, and I would suggest even MOST politicians, they confronted the events that CASCADED from a few mad men, with the ONLY tools they had at their disposal, but since those few mad men in charge at the top, they failed to rain them under control. The checks and balances didn't work as intended, the mad men undid most of those controls, once in power. Only then did fear made them act like mad people, but they were conscious of being outside there morality, as shown immediately after the mad men were defeated. It is the morality and norms for war, against the morality and rules for peace times that keep the ever encroaching "power corrupts" fact in check.
Now in 2024-25 we are about to put those restraining controls to the test yet one more time; bc the few mad people are coming out into the open aggressively again. And propaganda like the one that guy who hired models to smoke cigarettes during a parade, is already openly in circulation, how many people can identify it or resist it??
Nietzsche said that the STATE is the most horrifying invention humankind ever created, a monster. And Jug made Nietzsche's clear ideas more convoluted and thus more difficult to understand, but I have as yet to see any ONE original idea from Jung, all the things he is famous for in psychology or psychoanalysis are not his, Nietzsche anticipated all of this. So Jung "helped" to create what exactly?? He helped propagate, popularize, or diffuse ideas. If he weren't so intelligent I am tempted to cal him a charlatan, like the current Jordan Peterson and Deepak Chopra. Read Peterson's "Maps Of Meaning" and see whose books he reminds you of?? Or listen to Depack Chppra and his insane use of quantum mechanics' terms to fool people and...
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The same applies to the small minority preserving what is already a dysfunctional, "sick" society.
I find it ironic that Jung distances himself from scientific 'statistical thinking' while simultaneously painting this' average man on the street' as needing an inner religious conviction to ward off herd mentality. When he's speaking for this 'average man' he is categorically doing so with a statistical generality. Furthermore, he frames this 'inner spiritual conviction' in a weird (unconscious?) presupposition of culturally Christian values that have normalized private religious devotion and liberties to profess propositional knowledge sanctioned by institutional creeds and dogmas. The creed is not simply something that reflects the inner experience of the so-called mystic; many times, the latter is at odds because it conflicts with the dogmas of the institution. This is why, for instance, the Christian church has a history of 'heretics,' because these are the few people who don't go along with the masses attending Mass, for example.
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Jung always puts me straight to sleep trying to read directly. Good luck.
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But the challenges are always the same underlying issues that point back to the drive theory. And this is why Jung fails in comparison to Freud's original ideas. What Jung fails to mention is that nothing really changes.
Yes, the Drive Theory is fundamentally essential and primary. Sam Vaknin is updating psychoanalytic thinking. The PSA has been holding psychoanalysis back for a century, IMO. How the drive theory is presented online by traditional psychoanalysts drives me nuts!
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Sonu Shamdasani "The Redbook, " Libra Novus edited and with an Introduction.
"The Making of Jung's Myth:
Archivo di Storia della Psicologia, with Alejandro, from South America in English.
A new way of studying the history of pschotherapy.
External history is much more than the history of sciences. It is impossible to study a history hybrinized in other new countries.
1. 1963 Jung's Reflections in 1963 his 83rd year.
3 major studies Jung's Myth -
1967
Mary Luiz Vanon Francis - 1972
1984, Edward Ettinger, "The Consciousness for Man."
Find your on myth self- introspection and self- reflections.
Frederick Nietzsche, writing "The Birth of Tragedy," with the Opera of Wagner.
Jan.1, 1914 Jung's dream of the Lybian desert.
Jung's eye addressed the sun.
A beetle sticks to things. Do they live a myth?
Higher powers, diamonds, and gods, one must not give over to gods.
Exocertic and essoteric.
All the above is lovely, but it's mainly for academics. Why are most folks here? To heal themselves, to become analysts, or to become professors? IDK.
54:30 I Would point out that Nietzsche was a philologist, and Jung was intimidated by his command of German, not to mention the other languages. I think we should consider the root of religion especially when discussing these two. Religio. Or in Sanskrit that better defines this. Sraddha is faith, but it is devotion, commitment, and confidence. Doubt is part of this path, and we can often vacillate between them. But it is not certainty, nor something given.
Look at the Greek word used when Jesus asks the lady if she was a believer: Pisteuo means to be convinced, to be committed... (believe (239x), commit unto (4x), commit to (one's) trust (1x), be committed unto (1x), be put in trust with (1x), be commit to one's trust (1x), believer (1x).)
### The Roots of Religion: "Religio" and "Sraddha"
The exploration of the root of "religion" is particularly compelling. The Latin term *religio* often implies a sense of binding or commitment, which aligns with the idea of being deeply connected to something greater than oneself. This ties into the Sanskrit term *sraddha*, which, as you rightly note, encompasses more than just faith-it includes devotion, commitment, and confidence. Unlike a passive or unquestioning belief, *sraddha* suggests an active, dynamic process where doubt plays a crucial role. This concept challenges the idea that faith is about certainty; instead, it's about a committed engagement with the unknown, where one is constantly navigating between doubt and conviction.
### Greek Perspective: "Pisteuo" and the Nature of Belief
Your reference to the Greek term *pisteuo*, used in the context of belief in the New Testament, further enriches this discussion. *Pisteuo* translates not simply to "believe" in a passive sense, but to "be convinced" or "committed." This implies a conscious decision to trust, a commitment that goes beyond mere intellectual assent. It’s a form of belief that requires active participation and a degree of personal investment. In the story of Jesus and the lady, *pisteuo* suggests that belief is less about accepting a set of dogmas and more about a profound personal commitment to a relationship or an idea.
### Integrating These Concepts with Nietzsche and Jung
When discussing Nietzsche and Jung, this understanding of faith as a dynamic, committed process provides a new lens through which to view their ideas. Nietzsche’s critique of traditional religion as a source of "slave morality" could be seen not as a rejection of faith per se, but of a faith that lacks *sraddha*-one that is not actively engaged or questioned. Similarly, Jung’s emphasis on individuation and the integration of the self could be seen as a journey of *pisteuo*, where the individual commits to the difficult path of self-discovery and authenticity.
### Faith, Doubt, and Authenticity
Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities that are central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others.
This nuanced understanding of faith, rooted in linguistic and cultural context, offers a powerful framework for discussing the ideas of Nietzsche and Jung, particularly in relation to the challenges of modern life and the search for meaning.
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You stated, "Your interpretation suggests that true faith, whether in a religious, philosophical, or psychological sense, involves a balance between doubt and conviction. It's a process that requires ongoing effort and courage-qualities central to the ideas of both Nietzsche and Jung. In a way, both thinkers might agree that faith is not about clinging to certainty but about the courage to commit to an uncertain path, whether that path leads to self-understanding, personal growth, or a deeper connection to others."
My question is, why do those who are religious cling to certainty yet have no understanding of who they are, except as a person of their religious faith?
@@bellakrinkle9381 Because they tend, as J.Krishnamurti said in 1929 when he dissolved the order of the star in the east. He said that organized religions tend to take place for the self discovery, and the agency is replaced by the tractate of another.
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My tractate is Freud, Jung, and myself - now that I've discovered personal agency.
We all make our choices based on life's experiences.
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Nietzsche and Jung are intelligent, but Nietzsche is great, Jung is a voodoo psychologists, archetypes and such.
modern concept of a nation?
Yep. Thanks for these podcasts,have broadent mi horizon of what means to be a human. Did not have the curiosity towards philosophy/philosophers before your way of presenting those thouhgts and that how thought your shit appears
21:00 ah yes, like those terrible French and American revolutions. God, that was just a series of desperate peasant revolts, right?
Thank you😂