I don't think the no snitching rule is restricted to black people at all. Anyone involved in street life generally follows that code whatever your ethnicity
Definitely pretty segregated. The main difference is we mainly see black street culture in the media so that's what we associate with street culture. Street culture and black culture are basically synonymous here. Another difference here is that a lot of black kids that are not from the hood idolized street culture. So the street culture has heavy bleed over into the actual black culture. That plus the media is why i think it's viewed as synonymous here
Dave's brother was convicted under our "Joint Enterprise" law which permits two or more defendants to be convicted of the same criminal offence in relation to the same incident, EVEN where they had different types or levels of involvement in the incident. Dave's brother Christopher Omoregie, who was 16 at the time was sentenced to life in prison with a 18 years minimum term largely because the knife used in the murder was found in a bag owned by Christopher. The case was one of the largest joint enterprise convictions for a single murder in London. The incident formulated when 20 sixth form students who were smart individuals and who were expected to get numerous A and B grades between them, went into Victoria Station to fight another group of students from another school, Sofyen Belamoudden (15) was chased caught in a stairwell and fatally wounded. Dave's brother Christopher was convicted largely because the weapon used was located in a bag belonging to him. There was no evidence he committed the stabbing. Joint enterprise is very contentious as it seems likely that some will end up wrongly punished. Chris was given a life sentence, while the others were given way lower sentences. It's sad because once they are sentenced, nothing can be done. I believe one of the families of the teens sentenced tried to have a retrial but the court did not go through with it. Here are the Judge's comments relating to Christopher's case On the 25th March 2010 at about 5.15 pm, during the evening rush hour, in the presence and sight of many horrified commuters, Sofyen Belamoudden, a fifteen year old boy, was attacked in the ticket hall of the District and Circle Line at Victoria Station by a pack of teenagers. The attack lasted some 12 seconds and was captured on CCTV. He was stabbed with knives, battered with other weapons, kicked with shod feet. When those 12 seconds were over Sofyen was left fatally wounded - with no less than nine stab wounds to his body - as his attackers made their escape. Most of them ran to a bus stop in Buckingham Palace Road where they boarded a C10 bus. When police boarded the bus at the next bus stop they found, amongst other weapons and potential weapons, two particular knives. Both had, it transpired, been used to stab Sofyen. One was in a bag that belonged to you, Christopher Omoregie and the other was wrapped in a newspaper that bore your fingerprints, Obi Nwokeh. Upon the basis of the evidence provided by the CCTV and those murder weapons you were both convicted by the jury in your joint trial of Murder. You denied your guilt at trial and continue to deny it to this day, according to your pre-sentence reports. You have also both been convicted of Conspiracy to Cause Grievous Bodily Harm, the basis of which I will deal with in a moment. You Samson Odegbune, were tried by a second jury in a separate trial. You, too, were convicted of the murder of Sofyen, although you took no physical part in that final attack upon him in the ticket hall. You were also convicted of conspiracy to cause grievous bodily harm. The dreadful events at Victoria Station on that afternoon had their roots in a confrontation that had taken place the previous afternoon at the same station, beginning in the food court on the 2nd floor where many young people used to gather on their way home from their schools and colleges. You were all students at the St Charles Sixth Form College in Ladbroke Grove. You and many of your fellow students who were on their way to their homes in South London used to travel through Victoria, arriving on a 52 bus and going on either by bus or by rail. The other protagonists on that previous day were, it seems, students from another West London school or schools. The disagreement that took place ended with one of your number receiving a bloody nose at the hands of the opposition. That night and the following morning there was communication by text and by face book messages between members of your group amongst themselves and with members of the opposing group. I need not go into that communication in any detail save to say that you, Odegbune, played a principal role in it. You and the others involved expected trouble and you made it clear that you intended to come to college the next day armed with your samurai sword. The result was that the St Charles students plainly expected that there was going to be serious violence the following day, probably, as you then believed, in the vicinity of your college in Ladbroke Grove. You expected the West London Boys - as you referred to them - to come to the college in force for a violent confrontation. Many of your fellow students came to college on that day with a variety of weapons. You, Odegbune, had a samurai sword. You, Omoregie, brought to college 2 chef’s steels. The expected violence was, it appears from the evidence in the case, the talk of the college on that Thursday morning and afternoon. As it happened, no opposing group came to the college, and consequently you all expected the confrontation to take place at Victoria Station as you made your way home after college. You all travelled to Victoria expecting and intending trouble and prepared for it. You, Odegbune, had your sword. You, Omoregie and you, Nwokeh, were each by now armed, as I am satisfied you were, with the knives later to be found on the C10 bus and already referred to. It was in this way that the conspiracy, the subject of count 1, came into being. You all arrived at Victoria and gathered on the corner of Buckingham Palace Road by the Grosvenor Hotel. It was not long before the opposing group arrived, also by bus, from West London. They made their presence known, challenging your group from the other side of Terminus Place where the buses arrive and depart. You, Odegbune, led the charge that resulted. You had taken out your sword. You shouted “we’re going to fuck you up”. Although, as I have acknowledged, you were not part of the group that attacked and killed Sofyen, you were convicted of murder on the basis that you intended that, in the course of your attack on the opposing group, someone should be killed or caused really serious bodily harm or you realised that such might be the consequence and nevertheless took part in the violence. The punishment for the offence of murder is fixed by law. You were all aged under the age of 18 at the date of the offence. You, Omoregie and Odegbune were both 16 years old and you, Nwokeh, were 17. Consequently you fall to have passed upon you for the offence of murder sentences of Detention at her Majesty’s Pleasure, and those are the sentences that I pass in each of your cases. But I have to determine the minimum term that each of you must serve before you may be considered for release on licence by the Parole Board. It is agreed that, because of your ages at the date of the offence, the starting point for each of you is a minimum term of 12 years. That, however, is just the starting point and there are a number of factors to be taken into account before I arrive at the minimum term to be served in each of your cases. You all have the mitigation of youth, although that factor is largely subsumed in the starting point. Nevertheless I bear the fact of your youth in mind in your favour. So far as an intention to kill is concerned, nobody who has seen the CCTV of the killing could possibly conclude, bearing in mind the number of weapons at the scene and the use to which they were put in a ferocious and merciless attack upon the deceased, that there was any less than an intention to kill him. There are a number of factors which in my judgment aggravate the offence for which you have been convicted. (1) There was a considerable degree of planning and premeditation; (2) You gathered together for the purpose of serious mass violence in a busy public place at the height of the rush hour when you must have anticipated many innocent members of the public would be going about their lawful business; (3) You acted in a large group and the deceased was attacked by at least 8 persons; (4) You carried and used weapons as described above; (5) None of you has shown any kind of remorse nor do you in any way acknowledge responsibility for your crime. Had you been 18 years or older at the time of the commission of the offence, you would have been liable for a starting point for your minimum term of 25 years, due to the carrying of knives and other weapons. In fixing the minimum term I take into account your convictions on count 1 of the indictment for conspiracy to cause grievous bodily harm. I see no reason to deal with any of you differently to the others. You, Omoregie and Nwokeh, were principals in the attack upon the deceased. You, Odegbune, as I have already said, were a principal organiser of the dreadful events of that day. In each of your cases I take into account all that has been advanced on your behalves, and the positive aspects of your conduct while in custody. In each of your cases I set the minimum term for your sentences of detention at her Majesty’s pleasure at 18 years. So far as count 1 of the indictment is concerned, in view of the contents of your pre-sentence reports, I do not invoke the dangerousness provisions which would lead to an indeterminate sentence. You will each serve concurrent sentences of 8 years detention in a young offender institution. You, Omoregie, will received credit of 753 days towards your sentence, you, Nwokeh, 753 days, and you, Odegbune, 700 days. I make no orders for recovery of defence costs in any of your cases. You may all go with the dock officers.
It was such a sad case and my own personal opinion (Uneducated at that and very likely without all the facts to hand) is that Joint Enterprise is not fit for purpose. Specifically in this case my view is the sentencing was way too harsh for some of the individuals involved. Some individuals appear to have ended up in jail for simply watching the events unfold and some appear to have been untouched by the law entirely where they may have had a greater role, certainly more than Christopher Omoregie
Most people know about Dave’s brother but what I find more sad is the story of Dave’s father. He was a pastor in London that had immigrated from Nigeria and was deported despite him appealing that he was given incorrect documents and that if he went home his safety would be at risk because a religious cult who had killed Dave’s grandfather. The verdict that his deportation would be upheld was given to him as he held a baby Dave in court and that was the last time he seen him because he was murdered by the cult shortly after returning to Nigeria.
He's an actor as well, plays one of the main characters in 3rd series of Top Boy. Well worth checking out. First 2 series are called Top Boy: Summerhouse, 3rd is just Top Boy. Netflix got them as 2 separate shows for some reason.
@@oppboy3344 He played Modie on Top Boy. The Modie storyline was one of the main storylines of that show, therefore he played one of the main characters on that show, therefore he's an actor. I'm not saying he is on Tom Hanks level but he's still an actor, it's just not the main thing he's done. Did you even watch it, what did you think of it?
@@Itsonlyaname81 that’s his only role and he got it cause of who he is, all I’m saying is it’d be a stretch to put actor on his cv. Course I’ve watched it cmon broski
Great reaction as always 💯 Fr it’s mad to think Dave was only 16 here, it’s one of the best blackbox freestyles for me. Gotta do Berna - blackbox it’s just as good and Dave - hangman 🔥
Yall need to react to Dave - Question time. He goes into politics on it. Love how yall really talk about everything and reflect on the song and the artist, great reaction.
In the UK most black people won't snitch but it tends to be the rule that if you're not involved in the lifestyle you're not expected to follow the street code. But it's tight because everyone knows someone who is involved in some way so they end up not snitching anyway
@@Greymange my Aunt almost killed my cousin when he called police on some dude that broke his car window. This happened years ago but she was NOT happy he brought police to their door. My general rule is it’s not snitching if you’re a civilian but not everyone see’s it the same.
@@doingroad5761 agreed but so depends madly on the situation and how much realistic danger you're in for potentially snitching. Some places in South London you and yours could be in serious danger if you tell, even as a civilian.
Great reaction. I love your views and conversations you have off the back of these. Also the fact you manage to pick up on the bars which I know isn’t easy with our accents. Keep up the great work.
Another great reaction. I love the commentary and insights you both offer. I could write an entire paper on the subjects you raised however I just wanted to point out a few differences in the UK compared to the USA. We have a law in the UK called Joint Enterprise. You can be locked up if you are with someone or a known part of a Gang or group even if you aren't carrying a weapon or actually doing a crime but are present when someone else does. That's why you will see that a lot of rappers where masks in the UK drill scene as they can be charged for being part of a Gang. Dave points out in the track question time that corporations should be charged under the same law however of course they are not. This is one of the reasons Daves brother was charged. Sorry for the long comment. Cheers
Loving the Dave marathon! If u haven't done 'Psycho' or 'Cassius Clay' u gotta do them! Legendary. Great reaction, u compliment each other really well 👍
Love the reaction, I'm new to the channel and will be subscribing. Not sure if it's been said before or if you've reacted to it already, but Dave did a performance of 'Black' on stage at the BRITS where he not only called the British PM racist but also paid tribute to Jack Merritt who was killed in a terrorist attack in London. Jack was a guy involved in prisoner rehabilitation, and personally worked with Dave's brother. I never personally met Jack but have spoken to a few of his friends since, and they said that Daves recognition of his work helped to ease the pain of that loss.
In the US, hood and black are just about synonyms. I guess it's not like that in the UK. Snippet from article encouraging non-hood black people to stop adopting hood culture: "Because of the rising popularity of Blackness that looks like Friday, Baby Boy, Belly, BeBe’s Kids, Poetic Justice, and etc. people that didn’t grow up in spaces similar to those seem to be questioning the validity of their definition of Blackness and molding themselves to fit what it is as told by social media." - The Appropriation of Hood Culture (article from Medium) It's a thing here. A lot of black women will not date a black guy if he's not "hood enough" even though the girl may be from the burbs. As black men in America, we're expected to have swag, speak slang, and be about that life. If you speak proper English, you will grow up hearing you talk white. If you don't dress like you grew up in the streets, you'll be told you have no swag. If you don't glamorize the streets, you'll be told you're a square. This is part of the black experience in the US. This is why I say the culture needs to change.
@@BradAndLex ghetts comes in hard with 3 different flows.The Justin Clarke flow which is his real name,then you have a ghetts flow and the harder one of the three is ghetto flow.He uses all three on his fire in the booth 3,Microsoft & A couple other singles 🔥🔥🔥
Cashh - Behind Bars Another UK artist who talks about real stuff, at the time he made that I believe he was 17 which was 10 years ago. He got deported to Jamaica in 2014; he's involvement in crime and issues with paper and apparently he was supposed to snitch on a UK artist known as Giggs, which he did not and got deported. He was stuck there till he was allowed to come back to the UK in 2019. Cashh - Daily Duppy 2019
Other cultures also have a no snitching policy. Usually the criminal community of ALL races, employ a no snitching policy. Police use a no snitching policy, which is the so called; "Thin Blue Line" Police officers very rarely snitch on a bad cop. Very good reaction guys✊
Bruv! Bruv! Bruv! That's what I'm talking about 😉. Your credentials just keep getting stronger; it's getting to the point where I'm considering getting my card recertified because you guys are leaving a brother behind! Superb reaction of course and words are pointlesswhen trying to describe Dave. He formed thoughts and principles that most 'grown' folk struggle with on a daily basis; we must protect him. As for the snitching 'code' - to me it's a myth. Every brother I know that's incarcerated either got caught in the act or was snitched on by somebody - and usually by those closest to them. Looking forward to the next one Bruv (and Lady Bruv Lex) 👊🏾🖤
Along with checking out most of the Psychodrama album i recommend checking out Dave - Karma, Dave Warm Up Sessions & Dave - JKYL + HYD. That's three of his old songs that will give you more of an idea of his come up and his story.
Everywhere in the world has guns and knifes , just in the UK we can't go to a gun shop for handguns , just shotguns and riffles . So there's less circling round the black market
His brother got life, so can only apply for parole after 18years and still not guaranteed to come out. Most sentences here are do half the time, but if it’s more than 9/10(not sure) you have to do 2/3rds of the sentence.
also there’s guns too in the UK 😩 unfortunately 😂 but yeah mostly knife crimes. And kids from young ages are involved too. Crazy times. Dave is a very talented artist
@@BradAndLex corruption is allowing people to get guns. It’s confusing but happens! So alot of the crime happens with knives but there’s alot of gun crime too! Good reactions! Keep it up🙌🏽 more wretch 32 freestyles you will enjoy! The wordplay king 🙌🏽
@@BradAndLex guns are legal in the UK just heavily restricted and controlled by contrasts to the US. Shotguns and certain rifles can be legally held with a licence, must be stored in a safe and you must be registered with local police who will come and inspect on occasion. Pistols are illegal, so is pepper spray, tasers and any semi automatic rifle unless it has been adapted to fit uk rules
There are a couple of other ‘young Dave’ clips worth watching. Street Starz is a good one and he’s got a great LA Leakers vid too. Sounds like you’ve got a pretty big list already so maybe loop back around in a couple months 🤣🤣🤣
A knife is more scary to me. A gun goes off and people are alerted, so help can come from others if you are incapacitated. But someone comes at you with a knife, there is no noise to alert people. Also hot bullets cauterize wounds (slows the bleeding), but a knife just makes you bleed out.
Amazing reaction. Let’s talk UK. Knife crime is a real problem in some areas but not in all. Every nationality or ethnic group knows you do not snitch (but most do) Is the UK soft.. Go out on a Friday or Saturday night in any town Centre ( once we are already again ) and you will see a lot of people fighting then I would imagine you would see in America. Plus look at are history within the world ( rightly or wrong ) In the Uk we have a real problem with classes.
Yea dangggg, we didn’t know the street life was so tough in the UK but now we’re watching top boy. Knife crime is so much more intimate 👀 we loooove UK rap. So layered. And Dave is a young genius. My personal favorites so far are jkyl + hyd, hangman, and black. And agree 💯 about classism. Biggest challenge to overcome cause most people don’t see it as clearly as race.
@@BradAndLex You will find that the Uk is not very segregated like the US. London is more in the media because it’s the Capital and most rappers/grime artists are from there but the most deprived areas in the Uk are up North particularly Scotland which is predominantly white working class area
@@BradAndLex react to london cctv footage and you will see how crazy you have to find the rite ones. Uk is small unlike america can pull up on any one in hours thats what like over here no capping they really do live it over here thats why they all wear masks as most uk drill songs are getting took down now or getting used in court to get sentences
@@BradAndLex uk london street cctv is called thats only one can find now there was good few but alot stuff like that gets took down instant over here now as feds literally watching everything but london knife murder capitol of world big zombie knife n Rambos over here like 20 inch
Or react to uk drill lyrics that really happend its a series a lot reactors have done it its mad some good insight and info and some sad storys yous would love that stay blessed
We do have a ton of guns here both licensed and illegal, but knife crime is intense here, a lot of people who are fatal victims end up being riddled with 30+ stab wounds, and its only increasing all around the UK unfortunately
I think it's because they can just bring up old cases and you will get longer in jail, like if you murdered someone before this and the case wasn't solved if the dude snitch again now you got 2 bodies, if they were riding with you at the time they can just give hard evidence on you.
05:12 for real, I think many folks who pop burners, would not last too long in a UK hood, and we do have guns just not as many, so the gangs in our hoods, they got the knives . machete's axes etc, and some guns, some fool coming from anywhere thinking they are hard is gonna find they brought hands to a knife or even a gun fight (the gangs have access, weapons hidden abut their "endz"/"hood", most others dont) I would not like to be shot or stabbed, and have never been (although I have had a loaded and cocked double barrell shotty pointed in my face when i was about 7years old, ironically that was not even inner city hood shit) I am far more fearful of a Knife than a gun, and someone who can look you in the eye and then plunge a knife or sword in you...like its nothing? yeh you don't wanna fuck with someone like that, that's COLD and I don't mean cold like "Cool" or "lit" I mean cold like Psycho, no remorse cold You should look into knife defense, people who are skilled at it...usually get stabbed 2-4 times before they get a chance to get the knife out there hand, its actually easier to disarm someone with a gun if you are face to face (I don't wana try either to be honest lmao)
Brad: real decent guy, good at critically thinking and heart on his sleeve Lex: beautiful lil pixie, never misses a hard bar, honest and genuine. This is just my impression of y’all, but I have never subbed to a channel that doesn’t show its sub count. 100 subs or 100k subs it doesn’t matter so why not disclose it?
Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏽💯 what a genuine compliment. We really appreciate it! We can send you a screenshot of our sub count on instagram lol i guess we just don’t want to draw anybody or scare anybody away that doesn’t wanna be here 🤷🏽♀️
The snitching rule is very simple. If you are involved in street shit then you accept everything that comes with it good and bad. If you are involved in any criminal enterprise and you get caught and tell on your co-defendent you a snitch. If you are a civilian and something happens to you and you call the police that is not snitching. The criminals in that case were sloppy. A civilian can goto the police cos they don't abide by the same rules that a criminal lives by. Civilians operate within the law. Criminals operate outside of the law. When police tell you "Anything you say will be taken down and used against you"... That ain't no joke..... That's why it's always "NO COMMENT".... Everytime people talk they help the police. Knife crime is a problem in the UK, just because they are easily accessible compared to a gun. A kid could have a knife because all they have to do is goto their mums kitchen draw. A gun you have to know people that have access to them. The access in USA is easier as your laws are based around being able to have them. In UK guns are outlawed but they get shipped in from Eastern Europe.
His brother did take part in the murder though , and Dave has protection , his brother was an o.g in us terms the guys that did snitch got dealt with. Nice reactions
The saddest thing is most Americans don’t think the knife crime is a problem. Coz they think its lil pocket knives when it’s not. The amount of kids that r getting stabbed to death with machetes and Rambos is crazy. And it’s not even jus the knife crime, Uk is huge for acid attacks it showed it in top boy twice one in a jail cell and one in the streets where they run into ops and they pour acid on ppls face burning them for life and leaving them in agony cos they were born in a different area it’s so. Also gun crime is getting worse on top of all that with ppl getting shot in broad daylight shooting made even worse by the fact guns r 100% illegal in the uk.
The no snitching rule should only apply among criminals. If you will never help out the cops because of this no snitching rule, you have no right to ever complain about the cops not doing their job. And even among criminals, good chance the other guys will snitch on you anyway so I would probably snitch as well. Even the whole Gambino family wanted to snitch when they got caught. Why would you trust a criminal on doing what is right? Most are in crime because they are selfish.
Problem with a lot people in the us they are ignorant towards us here in uk. There is a black culture here. Some of us our second generation African and Caribbeans so our culture heavily influenced by those places. We do not speak posh or have a super sophisticated English really. We don't give a fuck about queen. Definitely are not soft. Good reaction though
Thanks bro. That's facts, we don't know anything about UK black culture. We just see what the media shows us. We dk much about the UK at all except gossip about the royal family
imo snitching is completely fair game if you yourself are not involved in the conflict. However if you yourself are involved in the criminal behavior, then it is reprehensible. The classic example now is 69, in that case he was the damn ring leader of a series of hits yet he snitches on the people involved, some of whom were acting under his command and money. Great reaction as always, another track where Dave deals with knife crime is 'Hangman', i'd check that out. the backstory behind that one is that a friend of his was stabbed, then on twitter Dave called for more police stop and search, then he got backlash for that tweet and then addressed it in a song.
Oh wow. Thanks for the backstory on hangman. Can't wait to check it out. I agree, if you're living a life like 69 then snitching should be out of the question
Yep, lots of knife related crime in UK and also in some EU countries. I dont know if i would prefer to be stabbed than to be shot, tho, both can cause fatal internal damage.
i’ve watched dave’s blackbox probably up to like 40 times ngl and it will never not give me chills tbh so much pain and passion
Soooooooo much pain
Real shit bro, genuine goosebumps every time
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I’ve probably watched it more and it’s still the same for me, that second verse is harrowing
England really isn’t how it’s painted to Americans
It isn't until you start learning about other countries that you see the propaganda in your own country 🤯
For real man it’s weird to find out that that’s how the UK is perceived great vid though love the dave reactions
Trust me look at 21 savages brother he stayed in uk and was killed the other week
Not just England the whole of UK
@@jcolden355 Alie Omd. All over tiktok Americans think the uk is mad soft lol it’s a shithole it’s acc sad but Americans who think that vex me
I don't think the no snitching rule is restricted to black people at all. Anyone involved in street life generally follows that code whatever your ethnicity
Facts
I think hoods are a bit more segregated over there so may hold more true
@@natrixxirtan na mate, Hispanics, Italians, asians even freaking skinheads in the states that are on the streets all have that same code
Definitely pretty segregated. The main difference is we mainly see black street culture in the media so that's what we associate with street culture. Street culture and black culture are basically synonymous here. Another difference here is that a lot of black kids that are not from the hood idolized street culture. So the street culture has heavy bleed over into the actual black culture. That plus the media is why i think it's viewed as synonymous here
And tbh, i couldn't name a gang that isn't black or Hispanic. You don't see much about any other gangs in the media much.
Dave's brother was convicted under our "Joint Enterprise" law which permits two or more defendants to be convicted of the same criminal offence in relation to the same incident, EVEN where they had different types or levels of involvement in the incident. Dave's brother Christopher Omoregie, who was 16 at the time was sentenced to life in prison with a 18 years minimum term largely because the knife used in the murder was found in a bag owned by Christopher. The case was one of the largest joint enterprise convictions for a single murder in London.
The incident formulated when 20 sixth form students who were smart individuals and who were expected to get numerous A and B grades between them, went into Victoria Station to fight another group of students from another school, Sofyen Belamoudden (15) was chased caught in a stairwell and fatally wounded. Dave's brother Christopher was convicted largely because the weapon used was located in a bag belonging to him. There was no evidence he committed the stabbing. Joint enterprise is very contentious as it seems likely that some will end up wrongly punished. Chris was given a life sentence, while the others were given way lower sentences. It's sad because once they are sentenced, nothing can be done. I believe one of the families of the teens sentenced tried to have a retrial but the court did not go through with it.
Here are the Judge's comments relating to Christopher's case
On the 25th March 2010 at about 5.15 pm, during the evening rush hour, in the
presence and sight of many horrified commuters, Sofyen Belamoudden, a
fifteen year old boy, was attacked in the ticket hall of the District and Circle
Line at Victoria Station by a pack of teenagers. The attack lasted some 12
seconds and was captured on CCTV. He was stabbed with knives, battered
with other weapons, kicked with shod feet. When those 12 seconds were over
Sofyen was left fatally wounded - with no less than nine stab wounds to his
body - as his attackers made their escape. Most of them ran to a bus stop in
Buckingham Palace Road where they boarded a C10 bus. When police boarded
the bus at the next bus stop they found, amongst other weapons and potential
weapons, two particular knives. Both had, it transpired, been used to stab
Sofyen. One was in a bag that belonged to you, Christopher Omoregie and the
other was wrapped in a newspaper that bore your fingerprints, Obi Nwokeh.
Upon the basis of the evidence provided by the CCTV and those murder
weapons you were both convicted by the jury in your joint trial of Murder. You
denied your guilt at trial and continue to deny it to this day, according to your
pre-sentence reports. You have also both been convicted of Conspiracy to
Cause Grievous Bodily Harm, the basis of which I will deal with in a moment.
You Samson Odegbune, were tried by a second jury in a separate trial. You,
too, were convicted of the murder of Sofyen, although you took no physical
part in that final attack upon him in the ticket hall. You were also convicted of
conspiracy to cause grievous bodily harm.
The dreadful events at Victoria Station on that afternoon had their roots in a
confrontation that had taken place the previous afternoon at the same station,
beginning in the food court on the 2nd floor where many young people used to
gather on their way home from their schools and colleges. You were all
students at the St Charles Sixth Form College in Ladbroke Grove. You and
many of your fellow students who were on their way to their homes in South
London used to travel through Victoria, arriving on a 52 bus and going on
either by bus or by rail. The other protagonists on that previous day were, it
seems, students from another West London school or schools. The
disagreement that took place ended with one of your number receiving a
bloody nose at the hands of the opposition.
That night and the following morning there was communication by text and
by face book messages between members of your group amongst themselves
and with members of the opposing group. I need not go into that
communication in any detail save to say that you, Odegbune, played a
principal role in it. You and the others involved expected trouble and you
made it clear that you intended to come to college the next day armed with
your samurai sword. The result was that the St Charles students plainly
expected that there was going to be serious violence the following day,
probably, as you then believed, in the vicinity of your college in Ladbroke
Grove. You expected the West London Boys - as you referred to them - to
come to the college in force for a violent confrontation. Many of your fellow
students came to college on that day with a variety of weapons. You,
Odegbune, had a samurai sword. You, Omoregie, brought to college 2 chef’s
steels.
The expected violence was, it appears from the evidence in the case, the talk of
the college on that Thursday morning and afternoon. As it happened, no
opposing group came to the college, and consequently you all expected the
confrontation to take place at Victoria Station as you made your way home
after college.
You all travelled to Victoria expecting and intending trouble and prepared for
it. You, Odegbune, had your sword. You, Omoregie and you, Nwokeh, were
each by now armed, as I am satisfied you were, with the knives later to be
found on the C10 bus and already referred to.
It was in this way that the conspiracy, the subject of count 1, came into being.
You all arrived at Victoria and gathered on the corner of Buckingham Palace
Road by the Grosvenor Hotel. It was not long before the opposing group
arrived, also by bus, from West London. They made their presence known,
challenging your group from the other side of Terminus Place where the buses
arrive and depart.
You, Odegbune, led the charge that resulted. You had taken out your sword.
You shouted “we’re going to fuck you up”. Although, as I have acknowledged,
you were not part of the group that attacked and killed Sofyen, you were
convicted of murder on the basis that you intended that, in the course of your
attack on the opposing group, someone should be killed or caused really
serious bodily harm or you realised that such might be the consequence and
nevertheless took part in the violence.
The punishment for the offence of murder is fixed by law. You were all aged
under the age of 18 at the date of the offence. You, Omoregie and Odegbune
were both 16 years old and you, Nwokeh, were 17. Consequently you fall to
have passed upon you for the offence of murder sentences of Detention at her
Majesty’s Pleasure, and those are the sentences that I pass in each of your
cases. But I have to determine the minimum term that each of you must serve
before you may be considered for release on licence by the Parole Board. It is
agreed that, because of your ages at the date of the offence, the starting point
for each of you is a minimum term of 12 years. That, however, is just the
starting point and there are a number of factors to be taken into account
before I arrive at the minimum term to be served in each of your cases.
You all have the mitigation of youth, although that factor is largely subsumed
in the starting point. Nevertheless I bear the fact of your youth in mind in your
favour. So far as an intention to kill is concerned, nobody who has seen the
CCTV of the killing could possibly conclude, bearing in mind the number of
weapons at the scene and the use to which they were put in a ferocious and
merciless attack upon the deceased, that there was any less than an intention
to kill him.
There are a number of factors which in my judgment aggravate the offence for
which you have been convicted.
(1) There was a considerable degree of planning and premeditation;
(2) You gathered together for the purpose of serious mass violence in a
busy public place at the height of the rush hour when you must have
anticipated many innocent members of the public would be going
about their lawful business;
(3) You acted in a large group and the deceased was attacked by at least 8
persons;
(4) You carried and used weapons as described above;
(5) None of you has shown any kind of remorse nor do you in any way
acknowledge responsibility for your crime.
Had you been 18 years or older at the time of the commission of the offence,
you would have been liable for a starting point for your minimum term of 25
years, due to the carrying of knives and other weapons.
In fixing the minimum term I take into account your convictions on count 1 of
the indictment for conspiracy to cause grievous bodily harm.
I see no reason to deal with any of you differently to the others. You, Omoregie
and Nwokeh, were principals in the attack upon the deceased. You, Odegbune,
as I have already said, were a principal organiser of the dreadful events of that
day.
In each of your cases I take into account all that has been advanced on your
behalves, and the positive aspects of your conduct while in custody.
In each of your cases I set the minimum term for your sentences of detention
at her Majesty’s pleasure at 18 years.
So far as count 1 of the indictment is concerned, in view of the contents of your
pre-sentence reports, I do not invoke the dangerousness provisions which
would lead to an indeterminate sentence. You will each serve concurrent
sentences of 8 years detention in a young offender institution.
You, Omoregie, will received credit of 753 days towards your sentence, you,
Nwokeh, 753 days, and you, Odegbune, 700 days.
I make no orders for recovery of defence costs in any of your cases.
You may all go with the dock officers.
It was such a sad case and my own personal opinion (Uneducated at that and very likely without all the facts to hand) is that Joint Enterprise is not fit for purpose. Specifically in this case my view is the sentencing was way too harsh for some of the individuals involved. Some individuals appear to have ended up in jail for simply watching the events unfold and some appear to have been untouched by the law entirely where they may have had a greater role, certainly more than Christopher Omoregie
G no1 is reading all that
@@Scouseantics I read it fam, it's not that deep
@@Scouseantics ruclips.net/video/rvkdapztgvI/видео.html Same shit but kids with blades.
@@Scouseantics I've read it all, interesting read tbh
Most people know about Dave’s brother but what I find more sad is the story of Dave’s father. He was a pastor in London that had immigrated from Nigeria and was deported despite him appealing that he was given incorrect documents and that if he went home his safety would be at risk because a religious cult who had killed Dave’s grandfather. The verdict that his deportation would be upheld was given to him as he held a baby Dave in court and that was the last time he seen him because he was murdered by the cult shortly after returning to Nigeria.
Nah this is crazy
This freestyle is pain every time I hear it Dave is already one of the GOATS of uk
He's an actor as well, plays one of the main characters in 3rd series of Top Boy.
Well worth checking out. First 2 series are called Top Boy: Summerhouse, 3rd is just Top Boy. Netflix got them as 2 separate shows for some reason.
what he said, make sure you watch it in order, netflix fucked the titles
Stretch to call him an actor lol
@@oppboy3344 He played Modie on Top Boy. The Modie storyline was one of the main storylines of that show, therefore he played one of the main characters on that show, therefore he's an actor.
I'm not saying he is on Tom Hanks level but he's still an actor, it's just not the main thing he's done. Did you even watch it, what did you think of it?
@@Itsonlyaname81 that’s his only role and he got it cause of who he is, all I’m saying is it’d be a stretch to put actor on his cv. Course I’ve watched it cmon broski
@@oppboy3344 that's a fair point
Great reaction as always 💯 Fr it’s mad to think Dave was only 16 here, it’s one of the best blackbox freestyles for me. Gotta do Berna - blackbox it’s just as good and Dave - hangman 🔥
Thanks! Ok bet, we'll check those out
what I like most is that you two are just such nice people. you can tell you are both good ones.
Uk is not soft I can tell you that I’m American and lived in uk for 3 years
If this ain’t the realist freestyle you’ve heard then I don’t know what is! Dave is a genius now and he was still a genius at 16!
Id recommend Fredo- Tiffany Calver Freestyle, one of the best freestyles from the uk
Word
Lovely couple that clearly love and respect each other,a rarity these days..👍
Yall need to react to Dave - Question time. He goes into politics on it. Love how yall really talk about everything and reflect on the song and the artist, great reaction.
Thank you!! We'll check it out for sure
Uk 🇬🇧 took over the rap game even the us knows this my humble opinion 💯
Nice reaction, Dave - Location for more chill party vibes. You'll get to it eventually with the Psychodrama album.
Thanks!
Jordan- fire in the booth is another heavy pain spiller
He says our moneys clean, but makes it sound like Armani because the next line is about trapping for designer
and then he also say monte clair
@@TTrap16 moncler*
@@gks9149 man said Monte Clair😂😂😂
So know what I’m (m)oncler
@@Trickynuh ahahahahahahaha
In the UK most black people won't snitch but it tends to be the rule that if you're not involved in the lifestyle you're not expected to follow the street code. But it's tight because everyone knows someone who is involved in some way so they end up not snitching anyway
In South London, that's very often the case.
@@Greymange my Aunt almost killed my cousin when he called police on some dude that broke his car window. This happened years ago but she was NOT happy he brought police to their door. My general rule is it’s not snitching if you’re a civilian but not everyone see’s it the same.
@@doingroad5761 agreed but so depends madly on the situation and how much realistic danger you're in for potentially snitching. Some places in South London you and yours could be in serious danger if you tell, even as a civilian.
@@Greymange everytime I see the 'South London' comment I roll my eyes, but then instantly remember I'm from Roehampton 😂
@@Nino-su7jv when you know, you know 😂😂😂 I grew up in Peckham
hey guys ive been binging all of these dave reactions from u guys keep them up their great
Great reaction. I love your views and conversations you have off the back of these. Also the fact you manage to pick up on the bars which I know isn’t easy with our accents. Keep up the great work.
Thank you, Marc! I'm learning the accent slowly but surely. Now i just have to learn the slang
Another great reaction. I love the commentary and insights you both offer. I could write an entire paper on the subjects you raised however I just wanted to point out a few differences in the UK compared to the USA. We have a law in the UK called Joint Enterprise. You can be locked up if you are with someone or a known part of a Gang or group even if you aren't carrying a weapon or actually doing a crime but are present when someone else does. That's why you will see that a lot of rappers where masks in the UK drill scene as they can be charged for being part of a Gang. Dave points out in the track question time that corporations should be charged under the same law however of course they are not. This is one of the reasons Daves brother was charged. Sorry for the long comment. Cheers
Armani's clean (our money's clean) ,the visions never cloudy so know what I'm Moncler (I'm on clear)🔥 lowkey fitb is Akala level check that out guys 💯
Thanks for that, didn't even know that.
@@TheGildedgurdian i was about to comment the same thing but you beat me too it:(
Loving the Dave marathon! If u haven't done 'Psycho' or 'Cassius Clay' u gotta do them! Legendary. Great reaction, u compliment each other really well 👍
Thank you! We shot Cassius clay but for some reason it’s blocked from view around the world 😩
@@BradAndLex because its so good
Love the reaction, I'm new to the channel and will be subscribing. Not sure if it's been said before or if you've reacted to it already, but Dave did a performance of 'Black' on stage at the BRITS where he not only called the British PM racist but also paid tribute to Jack Merritt who was killed in a terrorist attack in London. Jack was a guy involved in prisoner rehabilitation, and personally worked with Dave's brother. I never personally met Jack but have spoken to a few of his friends since, and they said that Daves recognition of his work helped to ease the pain of that loss.
In the US, hood and black are just about synonyms. I guess it's not like that in the UK.
Snippet from article encouraging non-hood black people to stop adopting hood culture:
"Because of the rising popularity of Blackness that looks like Friday, Baby Boy, Belly, BeBe’s Kids, Poetic Justice, and etc. people that didn’t grow up in spaces similar to those seem to be questioning the validity of their definition of Blackness and molding themselves to fit what it is as told by social media." - The Appropriation of Hood Culture (article from Medium)
It's a thing here. A lot of black women will not date a black guy if he's not "hood enough" even though the girl may be from the burbs. As black men in America, we're expected to have swag, speak slang, and be about that life. If you speak proper English, you will grow up hearing you talk white. If you don't dress like you grew up in the streets, you'll be told you have no swag. If you don't glamorize the streets, you'll be told you're a square.
This is part of the black experience in the US. This is why I say the culture needs to change.
People that live street life most of them got gun but an average civilian don’t but in America even civilians have guns
Ya'll need to check out ghetts black rose . I think you will absolutely love it Lex...amazing message and beautiful track
Got it on the list!! Thanks!! There is some good music we’ve been missing out on
@@BradAndLex ghetts comes in hard with 3 different flows.The Justin Clarke flow which is his real name,then you have a ghetts flow and the harder one of the three is ghetto flow.He uses all three on his fire in the booth 3,Microsoft & A couple other singles 🔥🔥🔥
Yh Uk much more diverse react to Potter payper you will be suprised hardest rapper on the streets
16. Amazing
Cashh - Behind Bars
Another UK artist who talks about real stuff, at the time he made that I believe he was 17 which was 10 years ago.
He got deported to Jamaica in 2014; he's involvement in crime and issues with paper and apparently he was supposed to snitch on a UK artist known as Giggs, which he did not and got deported. He was stuck there till he was allowed to come back to the UK in 2019.
Cashh - Daily Duppy 2019
Other cultures also have a no snitching policy.
Usually the criminal community of ALL races, employ a no snitching policy.
Police use a no snitching policy, which is the so called; "Thin Blue Line"
Police officers very rarely snitch on a bad cop.
Very good reaction guys✊
Bruv! Bruv! Bruv! That's what I'm talking about 😉. Your credentials just keep getting stronger; it's getting to the point where I'm considering getting my card recertified because you guys are leaving a brother behind!
Superb reaction of course and words are pointlesswhen trying to describe Dave. He formed thoughts and principles that most 'grown' folk struggle with on a daily basis; we must protect him. As for the snitching 'code' - to me it's a myth. Every brother I know that's incarcerated either got caught in the act or was snitched on by somebody - and usually by those closest to them.
Looking forward to the next one Bruv (and Lady Bruv Lex) 👊🏾🖤
Lmao! That's a good point bruv, its gotta be a myth. Snitching is way too prevalent
Very relaxing channel . You guys are legends.
First video and I'm loving it
Great reaction. (Dave - Location music video) next please. shows his versatility that he can make good songs
Last letter to cadet is a must!
Berna - fire in the booth 🔥 🔥 💯
His brothers still in prison as we speak, the last song in the psycodrama album called ‘drama’ he puts a phone call with his brother in it
“He’s a prodigy” haha lol he’s a boss now. U man got a subscribe from me u real af
We appreciate you 🙏🏽💯🙏🏾
The truth is it's harder but more noble to be honest
DAVE - HANGMAN
Thats exactly what i thought of when they were talking about the Knife crime subject
Thumbs up if you wanna see Jordan Christmas freestyle
Along with checking out most of the Psychodrama album i recommend checking out Dave - Karma, Dave Warm Up Sessions & Dave - JKYL + HYD. That's three of his old songs that will give you more of an idea of his come up and his story.
Everywhere in the world has guns and knifes , just in the UK we can't go to a gun shop for handguns , just shotguns and riffles . So there's less circling round the black market
We have guns
Nice reaction bruv, yeah don't keep us waiting on them mic righteous reactions 👊
His brother got life, so can only apply for parole after 18years and still not guaranteed to come out. Most sentences here are do half the time, but if it’s more than 9/10(not sure) you have to do 2/3rds of the sentence.
I thought it was over 5 years and you had to do two thirds,I might be wrong though
@@kevintwine2315 my mate just done over 3 for a 6 1/2 sentence, so more likely 7plus if anything
Could watch Dave warm up sessions for more work from him when he was younger.
Dave Karma is also fire 🔥
Yous need to go through his new album. I’m 34 and he blows my mind🤣
also there’s guns too in the UK 😩 unfortunately 😂 but yeah mostly knife crimes. And kids from young ages are involved too. Crazy times. Dave is a very talented artist
You guys are educating us on the gun thing. We thought only the government had guns in the UK lol
@@BradAndLex corruption is allowing people to get guns. It’s confusing but happens! So alot of the crime happens with knives but there’s alot of gun crime too! Good reactions! Keep it up🙌🏽 more wretch 32 freestyles you will enjoy! The wordplay king 🙌🏽
@@BradAndLex guns are legal in the UK just heavily restricted and controlled by contrasts to the US. Shotguns and certain rifles can be legally held with a licence, must be stored in a safe and you must be registered with local police who will come and inspect on occasion. Pistols are illegal, so is pepper spray, tasers and any semi automatic rifle unless it has been adapted to fit uk rules
@@BradAndLex the guns in the uk are moretime old guns it wont be like the ones u find in the us but it depends
There are a couple of other ‘young Dave’ clips worth watching. Street Starz is a good one and he’s got a great LA Leakers vid too. Sounds like you’ve got a pretty big list already so maybe loop back around in a couple months 🤣🤣🤣
ay i see you hold off on that bar, about heath ledger in the dark knight, cold bar
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Acid attacks are a big thing in the UK too
Dang that is so crazy! Acid does some major damage
Dave -warm up sessions
Dave My story is fire 🔥
Yea bro there are exceptions and that scenario is one of them.
Maybe you should react to some uk short hood films like nines crop circle or giggs essence
His other bro was also in prison as well from before
A knife is more scary to me. A gun goes off and people are alerted, so help can come from others if you are incapacitated. But someone comes at you with a knife, there is no noise to alert people. Also hot bullets cauterize wounds (slows the bleeding), but a knife just makes you bleed out.
KB:if u ain't down for the 30 don't come 💯💣 🐍🔫
Bam - voice of the streets freestyle is similar to this
I’ve never seen someone from the US put on a screw face feeling the bars… EVER
Amazing reaction. Let’s talk UK. Knife crime is a real problem in some areas but not in all. Every nationality or ethnic group knows you do not snitch (but most do) Is the UK soft.. Go out on a Friday or Saturday night in any town Centre ( once we are already again ) and you will see a lot of people fighting then I would imagine you would see in America. Plus look at are history within the world ( rightly or wrong ) In the Uk we have a real problem with classes.
Yea dangggg, we didn’t know the street life was so tough in the UK but now we’re watching top boy. Knife crime is so much more intimate 👀 we loooove UK rap. So layered. And Dave is a young genius. My personal favorites so far are jkyl + hyd, hangman, and black. And agree 💯 about classism. Biggest challenge to overcome cause most people don’t see it as clearly as race.
@@BradAndLex You will find that the Uk is not very segregated like the US. London is more in the media because it’s the Capital and most rappers/grime artists are from there but the most deprived areas in the Uk are up North particularly Scotland which is predominantly white working class area
His brother got life sentence he's up for parole in 18 years
People snitch on themselves in this modern time . so no snitching is becoming extinct
Need to do Songer’s black box
Dayum she’s a sweet one
Gotta do my story think he was same age when recorded
The delema of snitching or not, is Game Theory in real life.
Yas 🐝
10 people got stabbed in croydon yesterday of 1 person. Uk is crazy atm specially knife crime is through the roof
Whatttt that's crazy! I had no idea it was so bad over there!
@@BradAndLex react to london cctv footage and you will see how crazy you have to find the rite ones. Uk is small unlike america can pull up on any one in hours thats what like over here no capping they really do live it over here thats why they all wear masks as most uk drill songs are getting took down now or getting used in court to get sentences
If you ever come across any footage that would be good to react to I'd love to check it out
@@BradAndLex uk london street cctv is called thats only one can find now there was good few but alot stuff like that gets took down instant over here now as feds literally watching everything but london knife murder capitol of world big zombie knife n Rambos over here like 20 inch
Or react to uk drill lyrics that really happend its a series a lot reactors have done it its mad some good insight and info and some sad storys yous would love that stay blessed
The fact he was only 16 in this blows my mind
Right?! Crazy
You should do uk crime cctv footage reaction
React to fredos money can’t buy happiness album or react to fredos ft summer Walker ready song
Whole albums fire🔥
We do have a ton of guns here both licensed and illegal, but knife crime is intense here, a lot of people who are fatal victims end up being riddled with 30+ stab wounds, and its only increasing all around the UK unfortunately
You should see what Mike Tyson says about the British
I think it's because they can just bring up old cases and you will get longer in jail, like if you murdered someone before this and the case wasn't solved if the dude snitch again now you got 2 bodies, if they were riding with you at the time they can just give hard evidence on you.
05:12 for real, I think many folks who pop burners, would not last too long in a UK hood, and we do have guns just not as many, so the gangs in our hoods, they got the knives . machete's axes etc, and some guns, some fool coming from anywhere thinking they are hard is gonna find they brought hands to a knife or even a gun fight (the gangs have access, weapons hidden abut their "endz"/"hood", most others dont)
I would not like to be shot or stabbed, and have never been (although I have had a loaded and cocked double barrell shotty pointed in my face when i was about 7years old, ironically that was not even inner city hood shit)
I am far more fearful of a Knife than a gun, and someone who can look you in the eye and then plunge a knife or sword in you...like its nothing? yeh you don't wanna fuck with someone like that, that's COLD and I don't mean cold like "Cool" or "lit" I mean cold like Psycho, no remorse cold
You should look into knife defense, people who are skilled at it...usually get stabbed 2-4 times before they get a chance to get the knife out there hand, its actually easier to disarm someone with a gun if you are face to face (I don't wana try either to be honest lmao)
Brad: real decent guy, good at critically thinking and heart on his sleeve
Lex: beautiful lil pixie, never misses a hard bar, honest and genuine.
This is just my impression of y’all, but I have never subbed to a channel that doesn’t show its sub count. 100 subs or 100k subs it doesn’t matter so why not disclose it?
Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏽💯 what a genuine compliment. We really appreciate it! We can send you a screenshot of our sub count on instagram lol i guess we just don’t want to draw anybody or scare anybody away that doesn’t wanna be here 🤷🏽♀️
I’m on board. Keep up the good work you are excellent. Maybe check out Jordan on GRM Daily. It is out of this world. 👍
The snitching rule is very simple. If you are involved in street shit then you accept everything that comes with it good and bad. If you are involved in any criminal enterprise and you get caught and tell on your co-defendent you a snitch. If you are a civilian and something happens to you and you call the police that is not snitching. The criminals in that case were sloppy. A civilian can goto the police cos they don't abide by the same rules that a criminal lives by. Civilians operate within the law. Criminals operate outside of the law. When police tell you "Anything you say will be taken down and used against you"... That ain't no joke..... That's why it's always "NO COMMENT".... Everytime people talk they help the police.
Knife crime is a problem in the UK, just because they are easily accessible compared to a gun. A kid could have a knife because all they have to do is goto their mums kitchen draw. A gun you have to know people that have access to them. The access in USA is easier as your laws are based around being able to have them. In UK guns are outlawed but they get shipped in from Eastern Europe.
His brother did take part in the murder though , and Dave has protection , his brother was an o.g in us terms the guys that did snitch got dealt with.
Nice reactions
Good reaction 🙌🏾. React to Cashh - Daily Duppy
Check out Fredo back to basics
Krept n konan fire in the booth
Krept last night in Lagos
Konan last night in la
The saddest thing is most Americans don’t think the knife crime is a problem. Coz they think its lil pocket knives when it’s not. The amount of kids that r getting stabbed to death with machetes and Rambos is crazy. And it’s not even jus the knife crime, Uk is huge for acid attacks it showed it in top boy twice one in a jail cell and one in the streets where they run into ops and they pour acid on ppls face burning them for life and leaving them in agony cos they were born in a different area it’s so. Also gun crime is getting worse on top of all that with ppl getting shot in broad daylight shooting made even worse by the fact guns r 100% illegal in the uk.
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The no snitching rule should only apply among criminals. If you will never help out the cops because of this no snitching rule, you have no right to ever complain about the cops not doing their job. And even among criminals, good chance the other guys will snitch on you anyway so I would probably snitch as well. Even the whole Gambino family wanted to snitch when they got caught. Why would you trust a criminal on doing what is right? Most are in crime because they are selfish.
Not just guns and knives we also have acid attacks here. Thankfully not as much but yeah the violence here can feel a bit more hands on than just guns
Omgggg like they throw acid on people?!
The life we live out here and it ain't just happening in London.
Feel like these man just have no clue how it is
Dave's brother and a lot of people got sentences... Some didn't even do anything and there was proof but were charged with murder
React to fredo ft Dave money talks and Dave’s physcodrama album
Ita funny. In the UK we have the stereotype that americans are soft.
We generally think they cannot fight and are avoidant of confrontation.
In english prisons.. Most inmates do 50% of the sentence on GOOD behaviour.. Depending on the crime
Problem with a lot people in the us they are ignorant towards us here in uk. There is a black culture here. Some of us our second generation African and Caribbeans so our culture heavily influenced by those places. We do not speak posh or have a super sophisticated English really. We don't give a fuck about queen. Definitely are not soft. Good reaction though
Thanks bro. That's facts, we don't know anything about UK black culture. We just see what the media shows us. We dk much about the UK at all except gossip about the royal family
Listen to jordan - fire in the booth
Dave - la leakers
Reacr to cbiz e£ Westwood freestyle or nines ice City Westwood freestylw
imo snitching is completely fair game if you yourself are not involved in the conflict. However if you yourself are involved in the criminal behavior, then it is reprehensible. The classic example now is 69, in that case he was the damn ring leader of a series of hits yet he snitches on the people involved, some of whom were acting under his command and money.
Great reaction as always, another track where Dave deals with knife crime is 'Hangman', i'd check that out. the backstory behind that one is that a friend of his was stabbed, then on twitter Dave called for more police stop and search, then he got backlash for that tweet and then addressed it in a song.
Oh wow. Thanks for the backstory on hangman. Can't wait to check it out.
I agree, if you're living a life like 69 then snitching should be out of the question
69 was never a real gangster tho. Even 50 Cent said it, 69 approached him like I'm not a real gangster wtf do I do now looooool
Hey you have to react to lowkey fitb
Most cases it’s 50% of your sentence you carry out with good behaviour
Yep, lots of knife related crime in UK and also in some EU countries. I dont know if i would prefer to be stabbed than to be shot, tho, both can cause fatal internal damage.
Right, Brad knew about this but I had no idea. I’m just thinking ours perfectly safe and peaceful over there lol