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The major changes for 2024 was taking Zini out putting Havertz up front and putting Jorgi in midfield. In one fell swoop Arteta reverted to the team that struggled at the start of the season.
Absolutely. I couldn't get my damn head around it from the very beginning. Why the hell would you revert back? My guess is he totally overthought it after the Bayern game rather than keeping PL and CL separate things.
Correct observation, our manager decided to revert to type at the business end of the season, going back to the midfield three which struggled to get results pre Dubai, is it naivety or is it arrogance?Partey is back from injury and more than one month after his return he is being rested ,Partey should be interchanging with Georginho in that deep lying defensive midfield role and we wouldn't struggle to get a result against a Villa team which was slapped 4:1 by City last week, yesterday's debacle is squarely on Arteta. How is the defensively inept Zinchenko playing almost the whole game against pacey Villa wingers?With due respect to Arteta he goofed it yesterday against Villa.
Ollie Watkins said it in his post match interview that they noticed that Arsenal players had become tired in the 2nd half so they intensified their attack. Pure Unai Emerys tactics
@@SamsungSai-hw2mcTougher opposition against Bayern Munich plus the mental resilience required to conquer a fixture that we previously suffered in. The occasion of making it through to a semi final of the top European competition
That’s what annoyed me most. The fact that we had 2 days extra to prepare, yet we still weren’t prepared. That’s on the manager and the coaching staff. They messed up this last week, big time.
Jordan spoke so many truths this episode 😭💪🏾 We were top of the league Christmas in a very promising position we folded under the pressure… Again top needing to maintain our position in the home straight, we blew it. I don’t know what it is guys but in order for our team to win the big trophies we are going to need serious luck. God bless Arsenal, God bless the podcast and everyone in the community. COYG 💪🏾
Turkish’s comments on Haverts is spot on! Even though it’s not all on him, as a player when you are paid that much money you need to be a difference maker!
@@acediamond7524Liverpool did. Losing to Palace is poor. Arsenal lost to a very good team currently in 4th so its a bit ridiculous to say Arsenal bottled it
We both just literally handed the pl to city. That city juggernaut ain't dropping any more points like us. They are a different breed. They're just gonna go on their customary winning run now & I think that performance will have an adverse affect on the mentality of the players when they face bayern. I think it's curtains for us in the ucl as well now....
@@stevenhowlett1950 I admire your optimism and support for the club but the fact Liverpool had just lost and that second half was the most important 45mins of our season where we needed a win we gave our worst 45mins performance of the season… It’s a mentality problem…
We didn’t, but you have every right to believe US challenging for the title and them not and also being battered by lesser teams from time to time we SHOULD beat them at home.
@@omd0tbf most of those “batterings” have to be taken into context and none of them were exactly lesser teams against City Villa were missing all their best players against Spurs they had a player sent off and yeah fair enough we just don’t seem to turn up against Newcastle but they aren’t average either on their day they can batter anyone. But regardless of that you know Emery is going to do everything he can to win against Arsenal. I think Arsenal thought it would be easy Villa are still 4th and only 8pts behind you, you weren’t just playing an average mid table team they are where they are for a reason.
45:20 just shows exactly what these guys and other Arsenal fans online are. Reactionary and want the whole world moved and altered when one bad thing happens. He makes a massive call that Raya hasn't offered us anything better (when we've made massive improvements defensively which isn't just attributed to the back 4 which was the exact same back 4 as last year), only for him to say he hasn't really looked at the goal when asked what he's referring to. "Just do something". Okay, Raya should just grow an extra limb and learn to fly. 5 minutes ago we were the best in the league and amazing. Now all of a sudden one loss where we should've been 2-3 up by HT, and the summer transfer window gets questioned, Havertz is questioned even though he's been one of our best and most consistent for the last 3 months and been a gamewinner. Arteta's tactics and team selection is being questioned even though most of these guys said they wouldn't mind seeing Zinchenko or Jesus in for this game. Same old rubbish. I'm not defending the team yesterday, they were absolutely flat second half and were far too profligate in front of goal in the first half. But this team for two years straight now has given us every reason to not only believe, but they've earned the right to be supported wholeheartedly (not claiming that these guys aren't supporting or not going to support).
That's a nice loser mentality. You have to be near perfect during this last stretch of the season, and you can't afford to lose any matches or take your boot off of your opponents neck. They've skrunk for the last 3 seasons. They've done nothing to gain any trust as far as winning the league. Have you not watched the last few seasons.
You can not tie our clean sheets to Raya. It's our backline that has given us those clean sheets. We have very few chances and shots against us, but still, somehow Raya's save percentage is among the worst in the league. Then look at when our defense where choking, such as against Aston villa and bayern. Raya is nowhere to be seen. Made a mistake for Bayern's first goal, then a horrendous attempt at saving Kane's penalty. Now against Villa, he should have foreseen the first goal's cross across the box and thereby closing down that small area. Besides from these instances, he nevers digs us out of the mud with any wonder saves. His distribution is not even anything crazy. Against Brighton and City his kicking was shocking, and Arsenal's best long balls this season has come from Ramsdale. Remember Ramsdale's ball to Reiss?
Another idiot fan licking rayas ass. We were good defensively last season too, who knew that the more players play together they improve their chemistry? You also make the point its the same back 4 when its not, we had a defensive liability zinchenko playing majority of games making gabriel cover him and you also completely forget our record signing RICE??? Hmmm one of the best CDM in the world probably doesnt make a difference in us being better defensively does it? You wasteman SHAT UPPP Raya is AWFUL.
LFC fan here. Man City and their 115 charges have ruined the league. You have to be pretty much PERFECT to win this league now. How is that sustainable for a club like Arsenal or Liverpool? We ended up with 97 points in 18/19 (losing one game all season) and it still wasn’t enough. We had to win 26 from the first 27 games the season after to win it. I feel for Arsenal I really do.
I don't think it's just about that, it's about mentality. The mind is the most important thing in football. From the outside we've seen your teams mentally falling apart for a while now. City has a better way to distribute their energy. When everyone criticizes them at the beginning of the season and overhyped their own players, it was pretty obvious that they weren't giving 100% because they were building a better mentality, they lost some players and brought new ones that needed to settle. It was a matter of time that their winning mentality click again and destroy you. You all put to much energy in the wrong things. If your players don't struggle a little bit at the beginning, you are doing something wrong and they will struggle later in the moment you needed them the most. Look at Szoboszlai and Mac Allister. I think the middle is the most important thing and you have put such a responsibility over the shoulders of 2 inexperienced, young guys (plus Endo who doesn't have experience in big teams). Did you really expect them to be able to win 4 trophies and perform perfectly from start to finish in their first season at such a big club? Now they seem tired and clumsy at times. You put too much effort and minutes into a stup!d Carabao Cup, got too cocky about winning 4 trophies and now it looks like this is all you're going to get. Did you see Pep or Man City talk about the treble before it happened? Look at Arsenal's overconfidence after winning 6-0 against struggling teams, we all knew that as soon as they got slapped they would crumble and they did. They have the good players to get this far but they don't have the mentality to go forward
Cannot believe no one mentioned Sakas performance. How he's labelled as being close to world class is crazy. He needs to be more involved when we're struggling in a game.
Arteta is ruining the guy, I know he’s the most hated guy and everyone is dying to chip in when he has a poor performance. But how can a young guy play 100 games out of the last 103 games how does that make sense especially at the highest level? This is fodens first year as a first team starter not being rotated. Cole palmer 10 months younger than saka he’s first season is this year. Saka has been absolutely burnt out and still produces, the guy can’t even limp without being ridiculed, can you imagine playing every game having your ankles and calves kicked in? I don’t care about troll replies but bashing saka is poor havertz the least technical striker we’ve ever had worst touch worst ball control worst ball striking just wins duels and you all love him yet hate the guy putting he’s body on the line for this shitty ungrateful club
Nah shut up man saka has everything stacked against him, his numbers alone show he is world class, consistent he is just burnt out and we have nobody who can fill in his shoes.
In 2nd half Emery put marker on Oddegard and 2 players pressed him every time he got the ball.Even blind would see that he is our only player that can do something.And Arteta just stood there and watched happening in front of his eyes.I was screaming to make a f subs 10 mins before he did and not just 2, 3 or 4 because our players looked out of energy totally in 2nd half.
43:00 - I really do enjoy it when Lee blows the gaskets, not sure if our season imploding is worth this one, but it did make me feel momentarily better. Cheers Lee.
Kiwior has just been subbed at half time his last 2 starts. Jesus saved us against Bayern. We lost because we stunk it up in the 2nd half not because we rotated 2-3 players who played in a dominant 1st half.
@@AEGON2000 it definitely didn't help, and you're ignoring the flipside where 3 or 4 players can no longer run because there's 0 rotation throughout the season
Arteta is the Angel and he is also the devil.. He is the reason we are challenging for the title.. But his stubbornness and his penchant to prove his decisions right, will cost us the title. Havertz in MF, Jesus as striker and putting in Zinny at LB.. we as fans will be loonies if we expecting anything better..
Yes, he got us where we are and he deserves credit for that. But the question whethere he can take us over the line remains open. He makes too many rookie mistakes still.
So true man. If Havertz is not upfront he should not be in this team. Tomiyasu should’ve started and he come out with that arrogant quote when asked about why did he start Trossard? ‘Because I’m the manager and I pick the team’ that rubbed me the wrong way I hate that about him.
Unai schools Arteta yet again,a seasoned pro v a novice rookie is a mis match,even though the master has far less resources than the pupil. 😂.I think Arsenal let their best keeper join Sundays opponents,oh 💩⚽😭.........Lol.!!!....😆....🤪.......Shush.!!!....🤫
If there is one tactic Arteta truly learned from Pep is tinkering with the team when its not necessary. Pep has also done this, and he tries to outsmart himself. Except that Pep can actually rely on a match-winning bench that has delivered for 3 seasons and counting. Arteta brings on ESR and Nketiah, in a match that actually needed Partey alongside Rice.
Partey not playing was criminal. James shooting strays at partey and putting him in the same sentence as zinny is ridiculous. He didn’t even play. He plays yesterday we don’t lose that.
@@tomcustis9272 lies the majority of games he’s been involved in this season his positively impacted you must have forgot the two games against city especially at home.
How is Lee saying zinchenko is a scapegoat yet he’s doing the same to Raya. Raya has the most clean sheets, miles better penalty stats compared to Ramsdale and is far from a problem we have this season
Having the most clean sheets is 95% down to our defence and Rice. Name one time Raya has made a save that’s kept us in a game, or won us points. I agree with you about the penalties 100%. But Ramsdale used to keep us in games (Leeds away, Spurs away, Liverpool Away last season etc.), Raya simply does not do that. At some point you need your keeper to step up and keep you in a game. Raya looks incapable of that.
Ramsdale was playing with a brand new bk line last season so there would be mistakes and dodgy moments, Raya has walked in to them having a year of experience so it would be easier for him
I don't buy into this narrative of criticising fans when they want to leave early, it's up to individuals. At the end of the day it's a reflection of what happens on the pitch. If players perform barely anybody leaves early but when players surrender on the pitch why should people stick around to the bitter end.
Arsenal don't have real fans, they have plastic fans. Glory hunters, first sign of trouble, they don't wanna know! True fans stay to the end, you stick with your team through thick and thin...a football supporters job is to support...the clues on the name!
Big Respect for you guys for doing the pod at midnight, I stayed up till 2am watching the game and it sucks when it doesn't go your way. Let's hope for a strong performance now in Munich, we need to show who we really are and I think the lads can do it
Arteta needs to make a decision whether he wants to play Havetz as a 9 or an 8. Time for experiments is over. I've never seen a player swithcing positions between a center forward and a box to box midfielder. Havertz looked like he needed a bit of rest anyway, and this man puts him at a completely different position, the one where he needs to cover so much ground. It's not right.
Why would Arteta experiment against a strong team? Havertz in midfield has not worked at all, then he starts him CF and Havertz plays well. Just to throw all that out of the window cos he doesn't wanna bench his dear son for Partey. Then he subs off Odegaard for ESR and loses the game. Awful game management. We ain't winning titles with this manager who always bottles it close to the end of the season.
I was sad, dejected after last night, but even after that these four made me excited for the next game, that's why these four here are legends.Thank you Forever Arsenal
Not even an Arsenal fan but just want to say you can't blame Arteta. He is one of the best coaches at the moment, without him Arsenal would never have dreamed of a titlerace, also Arsenal has been brilliant this second leg of the season and now suddenly after one bad performance everybody is going mad about him and calling him out.
It’s clear that as good as rice is, he is not ready to play that press-resistant 6 role. That’s why Jorgi was brought into the lineup. Why change it with 7 games to go. Against high flying Villa. Arteta messed up.
He is very good and he is ready, you completely miss the fact jorgi had odegaard and rice around him to pass to, havertz is bad in the CM role and makes rices job harder.
@@Slim2Flo What has Kai being in the midfield got to do with Rice not being press resistant? Same issue when Trossard partners Odegaard. I didn’t say he isn’t good. I said he isn’t ready for the 6 role especially when the press is high. So why was Jorgi brought into the team?
I agree with Jordan 100%. Raya isn’t a keeper who wins you the league. I think a mixture of Ramsdale and Raya is what we need. A world class shot stopper(yes, Aaron has made a few of these) who can kick the ball like Raya does
Having a go at the fans is ridiculous. They’re not despondent after 1 game. It’s been 20 years of being let down and they can sense when another let down is on the cards.
Exactly, we went through this for the past few seasons its heartbreaking... Finishing 8th twice Falling short of top 4 Falling short of winning the league 2 seasons in a row
@@mazohystOfDecadenceI was watching it with my girl, and I said on the 55th that it was going to be a villa 1-0 win. This isn’t our first rodeo. Arsenal are the England of club football.
You are meant to support the team win, lose or draw. The entitlement of some of the fans is disgraceful. Still only 2 points behind, anything can happen but leaving that early just shows the players that they don't have the fans support.
If the fans feel this way, imagine how the players feel. Honestly, I don't see how this group of players with this manager ever wins a major trophy because these bottle jobs have wrecked them psychologically.
An interesting statement about the 'keeper - Arsenal had the best keeper in the world and Arteta strangely let him go for a song. Martinez kept the Villa in the game yesterday.
@@anish87havertz, an attacker and zinchenko completly out of position let them cross it. Saliba froze and zinchenko should have been guarding back post and raya was too slow to react.
Jordan you are right about Jesus and Zinchenko well done. As for Raya, it's hard. Saliba was watching the ball go passed and didn't react like how Andy Robertson did for Liverpool...
Arteta & Arsenal haven’t learnt from last season that’s the honest truth look at the table last season compared to thus season and somebody tell me the difference
19:55 - Villa did change something tactically in the second half. They switched from a standard mid block to a counterpress. I'm sure James will pick it up when he does Tactical Insight.
Maybe if the fans remained in the stadium and created an atmosphere in the last few moments to help support the team to come back he wouldn’t be “done with this football club”
@@BeDoubleU24 why decided to be an Arsenal fan in the first place then if you are not senior enough to witness the invincible era. Arsenal has always been like this. Just stay with City which guarantees trophies.
@@makas01217Arsenal are genuinely the only title contenders I can remember who’d empty the stadium at home during the run in , especially with 8 added minutes. I never see any top club including ones that people call plastic empty as often or as easily as the Emirates. For all your words and chants , none of you actually believe in your club.
What the hell happened to Partey? Why is Arteta not using him? not even coming on as a sub? Partey is a baller and should be utilise more to give Rice some rest.
When He plays, he owns and plays his own technical way, Arteta hates that. Have you noticed how everything slows down with him in? If I were Partey? I’d run back to the La Liga or Bundesliga, that’s where his game will make him settled
How many times has this club let us fans down in the last 20 years? Please do not put this on the fans, we have been more patient than most fanbases in the last 20 years. Today is on Arteta, the players and the owners. The owners who see Arsenal as more of a business rather than wanting to win anything, the novice manager who has 1 FA Cup in 5 years, spending 700m in the process. Arteta's in-game management and team selection cost us today. The players don't have the mentality at this stage of the season once again
Also it's not just about the 1 defeat in 12 as to why I think some fans left early, it was more we have seen this for the past 20 years. We get so close just to crumble, I wouldn't be surprised if the fans that left were the older generation that have seen this story before. Disappointing and we have been let down yet again, will we ever learn? Will the Kroenke's do what is necessary & get a manager with real pedigree and experience to get us over the line?
@@FFR95I’m a city fan and I’d just like to point out that City would never empty our stadium mid run in for the title. That fickleness is part of why you probably won’t win the title. Not a single other top club would have their stadium 2/3 empty especially before they got 8 minutes of added time. Earlier last season you all remained super late for games where Reiss or Jorginho save you points. How do you think the players feel literally watching their support disappear till they get outnumbered by Villa fans in their own stadium?
so after the Fulham loss you're effectivly asking for 17 wins + 1 draw at the Etihad, is that what you want? otherwise you will empty the stadium? you think this is realistic? .. need some prospective
Clap your players off and move onto next week. 6 games to go but that was shameful from the fans. You don’t turn your back for one bad performance in 4 months
As a season ticket holder not everyone left. One side wanted it more than the other in the second half. Which is hard to take considering where Arsenal are at the moment. I think some of the fans acted on what they saw on the pitch sadly. What is important now is to react in a positive way.
I don't blame the fans for leaving, the sign was on the wall with the level of performance all second half. We couldn't keep possession for longer than 5 minutes and allowed them to gain confidence at our ground. Unacceptable. At least Liverpool tried in their game just poor finishing. The passion and energy was lacking
I don't think the fans just left because we were losing, I was in the stadium and it was quite clear that the players on the pitch in that second half just didn't give a s***. So when that goal went in from bailey, it literally just felt like well the players have given up. So why the hell are we still here?
That’s the point though. No other fanbase , even City fans that you all call plastic. Are going to have the stadium 2/3s empty during a game in the run in to a title. Arsenal fans are the loudest (alongside Anfield and Old Trafford) when they’re up and ghosts when they’re behind.
Xhaka wins a Budesliga his first season leaving us, starting to believe this club is a stepping stone and we’ll see all the talents we have leave eventually and win elsewhere
Bundesliga is easy tho one team can win 5 games straight and be many points up so it's not like premier league we're in 3 clubs with almost same points running for title it isn't easy
@@abdydz9565Bayern have won it 11 years in a row It's only easy for Bayern, for any other team to win it is a huge achievement. They're also on for an actual invincible season, not a lame "12 draw while knocked out of every cup" one that Arsenal had
I have said this since last year. If arsneal fail to win the big things, Players will leave for the bigger clubs. CBs , Saka will be gone in 2 years if arsenal fail to win anything.
Lee all over the place He says Rice should be rested but then also says why you changing things? Make your mind up. Jordan 100% correct about Emery having Arteta number.
@@Adriaantje2008 No? If Raya hadn't have saved the pens then the Arsenal wouldn't be in the competition. The fan base is upset but let's not round on our team.
The fact arteta put zinchenko and jesus on when the team was fine beforehand is extremely baffling and backfired on him big time i said it arteta has next season and thats it time to win trophies
What Lee says about McGinn shows snobbery, Mcginn is light-years ahead of your midfield in what matters. He doesn't stop running he's a nuisance he shows drive and commitment your midfield doesn't.
Mcginn has played against rice many times and schooled him 90& of the time and also Lee going on about rice is shattered mcginn has played as many games this season for club and country and he is no slouch
11:43 JORDAN - I think the best keeper Arsenal had in the last ten years was playing for Villa on Sunday. This team with Martinez would be winning things
Everything that went on in the Villa game and you want to bring up Raya? Players to blame in the first half for not finishing their chances 2nd half is on Arteta not dealing with tactical changes and leaving substitutions so late
This comment was after Jordan speaking on Raya and now later seeing Lee's rant. On the 1st goal yep Raya could have done better but then why is Zinny at right-back but yet you say he gets scapegoated. Whether you think it or not you're still harbouring feelings for how Ramsdale was replaced.
I'm Irish and we support our team to the end, see the 4-0 beating we got from that Elite Spanish team in the Poland/Ukraine Euro's, when in the 82nd minute, knowing we were out of the tournament after just 2 group stage games, then one voice started to sing the 'Fields of Athenry', which then reverberated right around the stadium long after the final whistle. When you view it on RUclips, 'Spain 4-0 Ireland Euro 2012', try and read some comments from other countries fans to see what they thought of the spirited Irish fans. A fan from Morocco on getting home from work, with his young son watching the game, on hearing the sheer volume of noise from the Irish fans, he naturally thought Ireland were beating the World Champions 4-0, then on seeing the score brought him to tears. Brazilian fan wrote how he felt disgusted how when they were losing to Germany 3-4-5 nil in the WC14, some of their fans burnt their own flags in the stadium, yet these fans were singing their hearts out 4-0 down. Even if Arsenal fans stayed seated in silence would be better than walking out early. That's the fans over with, now Arteta, WTF was he putting Havertz back in midfield, it's akin to not letting your cat into the kistchen, for it has not only worked out how to open the fridge, but the freezer section too and then procedes into devouring all the ice cream. And then one day (yesterday's game) you inexplicitly permit the cat entry into your kitchen. Now don't cry on our shoulders Arteta, about having no ice cream/Title to go with your jelly brain tactics in this Villa game. The worrying signs were clearly there, that the players were wilting under pressure, Porto, the Bayern game with Laurel & Hardy defending and then yesterday. Some of our fans saying we are still in it, if CITY drop points, but I believe they will just go on a 6 winning streak but even if they do, do you, for I don't see us winning every game! I always felt this Villa game, sandwiched between the pressure Bayern games, was the one that stood out as the biggest concern. Emery did the same thing, picking a weakened team for PL, due to the Europa semi's, which cost us the 4th spot (e.g. lost to Palace), then lost the semi's, meaning our 2 tickets into the CL were torn in two by the ticket inspector. Arteta prioritised the Bayern game, that could well have blown us the title, who really, truly believes even if we get past Bayern, we'll then get past CITY or Real Madrid, then beat Barca/PSG/Atleti in the final? The PL was in our hands, with 7 games to go, not having to play CITY/LIV again, decent GD avantage, it should've been our No1 target!
All season Kai has struggled when he has time to think about what he’s doing, but he takes quick thinking chances, whereas Jesus is great in those moments where he has time to think about it, so what I don’t understand is why they don’t swap over, we play Jesus deeper and making the runs in behind, then have Kai in those positions where he doesn’t need to think about it. I can be the only one who sees it’s Kai with the chance running through and knows it ain’t going in?
You understand ball. Havertz is a 1 or 2 touch merchant, and he’s very efficient and precise. He doesn’t actually run properly if you watch his legs, gets himself in awkward body positions when he has to run with the ball. Jesus is the opposite; he’s always looking to find a reason to take an extra touch in situations where he has to be one touch
Jorginho being able to see where Gabriel and Saliba are positioned and then attempting that risky through pass is diabolical. ESR's chances 1-on-1 vs Watkins are slim at best.
@@SHUTUPNOWW9360 not at that moment. Or chip it over the top, even if it doesn't come off its not catastrophic. That pass he attempted was never on. The risk/reward was far too high for that time in the game only 1 down.
@@bazalinco what hurting me now it's if we Will ever drop points it should be Tottenham or united away but imagine dropping points before even facing Tottenham Chelsea and united 💔 this was the day that we had to win but bottle it again
Lee is absolutely spot on about the defense. Two high pressure games now that we’ve been unable to handle defensively. We’ve been known for years as the team that crumbles under pressure and I thought we finally turned that corner. The past week makes me think we haven’t.
As a Jamaican I’m happy for Leon Bailey, who continues to make history. However Arsenal knew the intensity needed to win this game and they should have known the threats of Aston Villa. Time to wake up Gunners. Hopefully they get a win against Bayern. Gonna be tough but Arsenal is capable of beating them.
Well said Lee the fans were absolutely disgusting.. they don’t understand how fortunate they are to be there. I can’t get tickets I’ve been paying £250/£300 for tickets this season. And I sing my heart out, how dare they
Look how quick we turn on our team. Extremely disappointing but the improvements year to year are obvious. They seem to learn from mistakes, hopefully they learn from these ones.
Agree with a lot of the game analysis and the assessment of our current squad, but I think you guys have totally overlooked the fact that we've played one of the best teams in the world in mid week, in a tough game where we had to come from behind. We were playing once a week (or every 2 weeks!) for most of 2024. When did we drop points vs West Ham and Fulham? In the very busy Christmas period. Yes we got results vs Porto, but were we good in those games? No. This team ain't built for big games every few days. At least not the way Arteta has been managing the squad. We're one of the best once-a-week teams in the world, but I knew UCL would trip us up. We had to focus on one over the other, or switch up the game plan or something. It looks like the season may be over on all fronts in the space of a week, which goes to show we haven't learnt lessons as much as we should have, and it's PTSD from the Arsenal of old... where we regularly saw us bow out of 2 or 3 competitions in the space of a week or two. Disappointing lads.
I couldnt agree more with Jordan today. He is been on point and on fire. I guess when you don't watch Netflix and watch the game, you can have valid points. :)
Going at the fans when this team hasn't won anything to make the fans stick by them is wrong. The manager picked the wrong line-up by using a havertz in midfield when early on in the season wasn't working. To make is worse is that he's too arrogant and refused to change it. This lose and no title is on more mikel than anybody not even the players
Swear some people want us to be puppets. Mikel should've subbed off Jesus and Zinchenko for Partey and Tomiyasu. But no, he brings on ESR for Odegaard, takes off Ben White, and brings on Jorginho.... how can he get it so wrong? We lost against Newcastle and Villa with Havertz in midfield. How many points has Zinchenko cost us? How can he mess up so badly in an important game? I've never seen a self-sabotaging manager with an ego like Mikel. He is a good manager but his ego will cost us every season.
@@ZeldaReacts1 you don’t have to be a puppet. But I do think fans should support their team through a difficult game. Arsenal fans are so spoilt, they have lost one game in 2024 drew one and won 10. If a team is having a bad day you can still express your discontent like the ultras did at the Milan game. But be there in the stadium to do that.
Well done lads for mirroring how we all feel! Yet articuated it in a professional way. This is why fan channels wipe the floor with MOTD and the beigey/grey Shearers and Owens. It was a tough watch because of yesterday and the implications of the loss.
Firstly, Arteta's arrogance and naivity cost us that game. He underestimated Villa and rotated too much. Secondly, Mertinelli has been awful this season, play Jesus on the left and Havertz as CF instead.
I'm here after the disrespectful comments made about your away visit to Villa Park on our day we can beat the tops teams only Liverpool have been successful thus far it ain't no fluke whats happening at Villa and we should be taken seriously that said I always had Arsenal as my 2nd team since 1991 but after the arrogance of the guys on this channel it turned me of your team and thats a real shame because you deserve your time in the sun ..just be humble . You came up against a determined Emery and a vibrant Villa front line ...and chippy Bailey ..peace and good luck
Who u want him to play then???? Kiwior did well in the whole 2024. Zinc is worse as starters. Proved many times even last game against villa. Tomi just returned from the injury. May be not as good as b4 yet to start the game. Timeber? LoL. Who else do u think can start against Bayern? It was CB pairing prob against bayern. Both were underperformed. Not as their usual self. Maybe nervous or fatigue since they played all games without rest or been subbed.
Arteta messed up against Bayern by starting Jorginho and Kiwior instead of Partey and Tomiyasu then he bottles it even worse by starting Havertz in midfield and Zinchenko LB. Never seen a manager that bottles it so much cos he doesn't wanna bench his dear son Havertz.
Come on guys, after a terrible result and the doom and gloom, it takes this Pod cast to make us all laugh. Turkish thumb nail suprise and lees reaction, and then at the end Lee as he always does has me and the whole pod in fits of laughter. Love the 4 of you, and yes this time like last time includes you Jordon. Love for the love ❤
James has always stated he only ever wanted to beat Lee in the table, but once the point got deducted, James reaction just showed how much he truly wanted to win the table 😅😅
11:33 This is spot on about David Raya, it’s exactly what David De Gea was doing for United he was making saves and blocks he had no business and it kept United afloat now they got Onana ole’ing every ball by. And Zinchenko is primarily an attacking fullback. The crowd was so pissed when he went half assed into that challenge against Tielemans that allowed Tielemans to strike a bender and barely missed it. He needs a real striker to lob the ball to. Jesus isn’t helping Arsenal they need a Hojlund or a Sebastian Haller type
Anyone switch off everything and went straight to Netflix 90 on the 90th min? 😅 I must say I feel better after watching this…. Therapy session in full effect!!!😊
If we win all the games we will probably win the league as City probably won’t win all their games. It’s statistically improbable that you will have two teams enjoy a winning streak simultaneously and City winning would mean them winning their last 9. The problem is that we won’t have the mental fortitude to win all the games left. Imagine we swapped both sides and City had the better goal difference - they lose at home to Villa and we beat Luton 5-1 at the weekend to go 2 pts clear with 6 games left. City wouldn’t think it was over and they would know that they need to put thoughts of the title to one side and just smash the other teams in the next 6 games. Of course if we drop anymore points it’s completely done. I’ll be so proud of these guys if they can actually win the last six
@@CrowzEye I don’t think City will lose either although I hope they do. I believe they will draw one though- even last week I did say we’ve gone ahead a bit earlier than I’d have liked. I felt if we got on top with 3 games to go it would be easier for us to manage. Our Goal difference is superior to theirs though so all things being equal if they draw one and we win all ours we win the league because That leaves us level on points with them. With six games left there’s definitely room for one more major twist in this race
Will We Win Something This Season 👇🏼
No chance
Can still win the champions league
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Arsewholenal 😂😂
Jordan quietly spending the first 10 mins watching the highlights in the background before joining in the conversation 😂😂
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It’s embarrassing… not even funny
Lol
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Jordon says “sorry Turkish my final point” for the 50th time
Turkish:😑
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We have no world class talent.
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The major changes for 2024 was taking Zini out putting Havertz up front and putting Jorgi in midfield. In one fell swoop Arteta reverted to the team that struggled at the start of the season.
This worked soo well in the league. But arteta must change it ???WHY THOUGH
Absolutely. I couldn't get my damn head around it from the very beginning. Why the hell would you revert back? My guess is he totally overthought it after the Bayern game rather than keeping PL and CL separate things.
Because he thinks he is Picasso.
unai emery end of the season 18-19 vibes. Arteta what a clown
Correct observation, our manager decided to revert to type at the business end of the season, going back to the midfield three which struggled to get results pre Dubai, is it naivety or is it arrogance?Partey is back from injury and more than one month after his return he is being rested ,Partey should be interchanging with Georginho in that deep lying defensive midfield role and we wouldn't struggle to get a result against a Villa team which was slapped 4:1 by City last week, yesterday's debacle is squarely on Arteta. How is the defensively inept Zinchenko playing almost the whole game against pacey Villa wingers?With due respect to Arteta he goofed it yesterday against Villa.
Ollie Watkins said it in his post match interview that they noticed that Arsenal players had become tired in the 2nd half so they intensified their attack. Pure Unai Emerys tactics
I find it strange because villa played on Thursday and Arsenal had 2 extra days to rest, so why were we more tired
@@SamsungSai-hw2mcTougher opposition against Bayern Munich plus the mental resilience required to conquer a fixture that we previously suffered in. The occasion of making it through to a semi final of the top European competition
That’s what annoyed me most. The fact that we had 2 days extra to prepare, yet we still weren’t prepared. That’s on the manager and the coaching staff. They messed up this last week, big time.
@@maxwillsexcuses they just wanted it more
@@maxwillsVilla also had fluffier pillows and better cotton socks. Get outta here with ya bs excuses.
Jordan spoke so many truths this episode 😭💪🏾
We were top of the league Christmas in a very promising position we folded under the pressure…
Again top needing to maintain our position in the home straight, we blew it.
I don’t know what it is guys but in order for our team to win the big trophies we are going to need serious luck.
God bless Arsenal, God bless the podcast and everyone in the community. COYG 💪🏾
Turkish’s comments on Haverts is spot on! Even though it’s not all on him, as a player when you are paid that much money you need to be a difference maker!
Agreed. Don't understand why people we bashing him about focusing on wages.
Unai Emery's Villa made us look like Unai Emery's Arsenal
Well said - lovin' your dry humour
Still disrespectful to the Man hes had more success since leaving you and yesterday out played you.
@@djbarbergreen3388 Emery himself is bigger than the club that's spent a billion and not won anything.
@@djbarbergreen3388 He's also the original bottle job king. I'm not sure there's another name in World Football more synonymous with the term.
@@djbarbergreen3388 but yes, he did outplay us. So thank you for saying exactly what I said, just in a boring way.
LFC fan here. Arsenal would not have lost had Liverpool won. Football is 90% mentality and we haven’t got it. Good luck in CL.
I totally agree 👍
We both bottled it…
If Arsenal was not to win I wanted Liverpool to win it but it’s the same old story as it is every season…
@@acediamond7524Liverpool did. Losing to Palace is poor. Arsenal lost to a very good team currently in 4th so its a bit ridiculous to say Arsenal bottled it
We both just literally handed the pl to city. That city juggernaut ain't dropping any more points like us. They are a different breed. They're just gonna go on their customary winning run now & I think that performance will have an adverse affect on the mentality of the players when they face bayern. I think it's curtains for us in the ucl as well now....
@@stevenhowlett1950 I admire your optimism and support for the club but the fact Liverpool had just lost and that second half was the most important 45mins of our season where we needed a win we gave our worst 45mins performance of the season…
It’s a mentality problem…
Liverpool had to play Villa away with their form right now, may god bless you.
Villa are on 63 points in 4th place.
Don’t underestimate your opponent.
We didn’t, but you have every right to believe US challenging for the title and them not and also being battered by lesser teams from time to time we SHOULD beat them at home.
@@omd0tbf most of those “batterings” have to be taken into context and none of them were exactly lesser teams against City Villa were missing all their best players against Spurs they had a player sent off and yeah fair enough we just don’t seem to turn up against Newcastle but they aren’t average either on their day they can batter anyone. But regardless of that you know Emery is going to do everything he can to win against Arsenal. I think Arsenal thought it would be easy Villa are still 4th and only 8pts behind you, you weren’t just playing an average mid table team they are where they are for a reason.
45:20 just shows exactly what these guys and other Arsenal fans online are. Reactionary and want the whole world moved and altered when one bad thing happens. He makes a massive call that Raya hasn't offered us anything better (when we've made massive improvements defensively which isn't just attributed to the back 4 which was the exact same back 4 as last year), only for him to say he hasn't really looked at the goal when asked what he's referring to. "Just do something". Okay, Raya should just grow an extra limb and learn to fly. 5 minutes ago we were the best in the league and amazing.
Now all of a sudden one loss where we should've been 2-3 up by HT, and the summer transfer window gets questioned, Havertz is questioned even though he's been one of our best and most consistent for the last 3 months and been a gamewinner. Arteta's tactics and team selection is being questioned even though most of these guys said they wouldn't mind seeing Zinchenko or Jesus in for this game. Same old rubbish. I'm not defending the team yesterday, they were absolutely flat second half and were far too profligate in front of goal in the first half. But this team for two years straight now has given us every reason to not only believe, but they've earned the right to be supported wholeheartedly (not claiming that these guys aren't supporting or not going to support).
Spot on mate. COYG
That's a nice loser mentality. You have to be near perfect during this last stretch of the season, and you can't afford to lose any matches or take your boot off of your opponents neck. They've skrunk for the last 3 seasons. They've done nothing to gain any trust as far as winning the league. Have you not watched the last few seasons.
@@zacharybinx5443 Ok
You can not tie our clean sheets to Raya. It's our backline that has given us those clean sheets. We have very few chances and shots against us, but still, somehow Raya's save percentage is among the worst in the league.
Then look at when our defense where choking, such as against Aston villa and bayern. Raya is nowhere to be seen. Made a mistake for Bayern's first goal, then a horrendous attempt at saving Kane's penalty. Now against Villa, he should have foreseen the first goal's cross across the box and thereby closing down that small area. Besides from these instances, he nevers digs us out of the mud with any wonder saves. His distribution is not even anything crazy. Against Brighton and City his kicking was shocking, and Arsenal's best long balls this season has come from Ramsdale. Remember Ramsdale's ball to Reiss?
Another idiot fan licking rayas ass. We were good defensively last season too, who knew that the more players play together they improve their chemistry? You also make the point its the same back 4 when its not, we had a defensive liability zinchenko playing majority of games making gabriel cover him and you also completely forget our record signing RICE??? Hmmm one of the best CDM in the world probably doesnt make a difference in us being better defensively does it? You wasteman SHAT UPPP Raya is AWFUL.
LFC fan here. Man City and their 115 charges have ruined the league. You have to be pretty much PERFECT to win this league now. How is that sustainable for a club like Arsenal or Liverpool? We ended up with 97 points in 18/19 (losing one game all season) and it still wasn’t enough. We had to win 26 from the first 27 games the season after to win it. I feel for Arsenal I really do.
😂😂😂😂 imagine blaming City for losing a game lmao
I don't think it's just about that, it's about mentality. The mind is the most important thing in football. From the outside we've seen your teams mentally falling apart for a while now. City has a better way to distribute their energy. When everyone criticizes them at the beginning of the season and overhyped their own players, it was pretty obvious that they weren't giving 100% because they were building a better mentality, they lost some players and brought new ones that needed to settle. It was a matter of time that their winning mentality click again and destroy you.
You all put to much energy in the wrong things. If your players don't struggle a little bit at the beginning, you are doing something wrong and they will struggle later in the moment you needed them the most. Look at Szoboszlai and Mac Allister. I think the middle is the most important thing and you have put such a responsibility over the shoulders of 2 inexperienced, young guys (plus Endo who doesn't have experience in big teams). Did you really expect them to be able to win 4 trophies and perform perfectly from start to finish in their first season at such a big club? Now they seem tired and clumsy at times. You put too much effort and minutes into a stup!d Carabao Cup, got too cocky about winning 4 trophies and now it looks like this is all you're going to get. Did you see Pep or Man City talk about the treble before it happened?
Look at Arsenal's overconfidence after winning 6-0 against struggling teams, we all knew that as soon as they got slapped they would crumble and they did. They have the good players to get this far but they don't have the mentality to go forward
@@abiel_c739imagine😂😂😂
Love this. Until those charges are cleared the league is tainted.
Cannot believe no one mentioned Sakas performance. How he's labelled as being close to world class is crazy. He needs to be more involved when we're struggling in a game.
Arteta is ruining the guy, I know he’s the most hated guy and everyone is dying to chip in when he has a poor performance. But how can a young guy play 100 games out of the last 103 games how does that make sense especially at the highest level? This is fodens first year as a first team starter not being rotated. Cole palmer 10 months younger than saka he’s first season is this year. Saka has been absolutely burnt out and still produces, the guy can’t even limp without being ridiculed, can you imagine playing every game having your ankles and calves kicked in? I don’t care about troll replies but bashing saka is poor havertz the least technical striker we’ve ever had worst touch worst ball control worst ball striking just wins duels and you all love him yet hate the guy putting he’s body on the line for this shitty ungrateful club
Thank you. There is a 'World' of difference between Saka and 'World' Class. He is class no doubt but World is far away
Nah shut up man saka has everything stacked against him, his numbers alone show he is world class, consistent he is just burnt out and we have nobody who can fill in his shoes.
In 2nd half Emery put marker on Oddegard and 2 players pressed him every time he got the ball.Even blind would see that he is our only player that can do something.And Arteta just stood there and watched happening in front of his eyes.I was screaming to make a f subs 10 mins before he did and not just 2, 3 or 4 because our players looked out of energy totally in 2nd half.
43:00 - I really do enjoy it when Lee blows the gaskets, not sure if our season imploding is worth this one, but it did make me feel momentarily better. Cheers Lee.
Lee simultaneously saying don't rotate for this game because our XI has been working AND you need to rotate to give players on the bench a chance lmao
The guy is absolute jokes after a bad result, needs to go back and have a look at himself after these games
He's a waffler
You rotate against Sheffield, Burnley etc., not top 4 challengers
Kiwior has just been subbed at half time his last 2 starts. Jesus saved us against Bayern. We lost because we stunk it up in the 2nd half not because we rotated 2-3 players who played in a dominant 1st half.
@@AEGON2000 it definitely didn't help, and you're ignoring the flipside where 3 or 4 players can no longer run because there's 0 rotation throughout the season
Lock jawed LEE is something else 😂😂
EMI Martinez boiling the piss of the goons is magnificent stuff 👏🏽
Arteta is the Angel and he is also the devil.. He is the reason we are challenging for the title.. But his stubbornness and his penchant to prove his decisions right, will cost us the title. Havertz in MF, Jesus as striker and putting in Zinny at LB.. we as fans will be loonies if we expecting anything better..
Yes, he got us where we are and he deserves credit for that. But the question whethere he can take us over the line remains open. He makes too many rookie mistakes still.
So true man. If Havertz is not upfront he should not be in this team. Tomiyasu should’ve started and he come out with that arrogant quote when asked about why did he start Trossard? ‘Because I’m the manager and I pick the team’ that rubbed me the wrong way I hate that about him.
FACTS..! young manager young team..egos and believing one's own press will have this negative effect..
Unai schools Arteta yet again,a seasoned pro v a novice rookie is a mis match,even though the master has far less resources than the pupil. 😂.I think Arsenal let their best keeper join Sundays opponents,oh 💩⚽😭.........Lol.!!!....😆....🤪.......Shush.!!!....🤫
@@jb.300 he is the manager, that's not arrogant to me, but I get it , you are upset
Last night was so painful I couldn’t fall asleep 😢
Ha ha ha ha ha
It seems like a repeat of last season all over again…
Arteta the bottlejob can't put too much faith in him after last season.
@@acediamond7524It is,hence we had our concerns about Arteta and his team.
Arsenal affects your health bro
If there is one tactic Arteta truly learned from Pep is tinkering with the team when its not necessary. Pep has also done this, and he tries to outsmart himself. Except that Pep can actually rely on a match-winning bench that has delivered for 3 seasons and counting. Arteta brings on ESR and Nketiah, in a match that actually needed Partey alongside Rice.
Partey not playing was criminal.
James shooting strays at partey and putting him in the same sentence as zinny is ridiculous. He didn’t even play. He plays yesterday we don’t lose that.
Why not? He’s been poor
@@tomcustis9272 lies the majority of games he’s been involved in this season his positively impacted you must have forgot the two games against city especially at home.
partey is a criminal, needs to get out the club
How is Lee saying zinchenko is a scapegoat yet he’s doing the same to Raya. Raya has the most clean sheets, miles better penalty stats compared to Ramsdale and is far from a problem we have this season
Having the most clean sheets is 95% down to our defence and Rice. Name one time Raya has made a save that’s kept us in a game, or won us points.
I agree with you about the penalties 100%.
But Ramsdale used to keep us in games (Leeds away, Spurs away, Liverpool Away last season etc.), Raya simply does not do that.
At some point you need your keeper to step up and keep you in a game. Raya looks incapable of that.
Ramsdale is chaos
@@dami869 I’m not saying Ramsdale is definitely the answer either, but Raya is a very lucky man to be Arsenals #1
Raya is average.
Ramsdale was playing with a brand new bk line last season so there would be mistakes and dodgy moments, Raya has walked in to them having a year of experience so it would be easier for him
Thinkin you'd get 35 mil for Zinchenko is laughable
Man City did 😂
@@y2k42y2k42pep knew what he was doing selling jesus and zinchenko to arsenal
Done with Nketiah as well. Just give us our £50m and move him on.
It’s hilarious
@@y2k42y2k42we’re the only suckers mate
Big up the lads
Thanks for the therapy and the laughs as usual.
Oh yes and Jordans speech was fire !
I don't buy into this narrative of criticising fans when they want to leave early, it's up to individuals. At the end of the day it's a reflection of what happens on the pitch. If players perform barely anybody leaves early but when players surrender on the pitch why should people stick around to the bitter end.
Then don't criticize man city fans also. They don't even leave early, especially in an important game
People paid their money it's up to the individuals what they do with their ticket.
@@spresso007lol even when our fans were leaving we still have more than city in the stadium
Arsenal don't have real fans, they have plastic fans. Glory hunters, first sign of trouble, they don't wanna know! True fans stay to the end, you stick with your team through thick and thin...a football supporters job is to support...the clues on the name!
I haven’t seen Lord Voldemort this angry since Harry won the Battle at Hogwarts
Big Respect for you guys for doing the pod at midnight, I stayed up till 2am watching the game and it sucks when it doesn't go your way. Let's hope for a strong performance now in Munich, we need to show who we really are and I think the lads can do it
Arteta needs to make a decision whether he wants to play Havetz as a 9 or an 8. Time for experiments is over. I've never seen a player swithcing positions between a center forward and a box to box midfielder. Havertz looked like he needed a bit of rest anyway, and this man puts him at a completely different position, the one where he needs to cover so much ground. It's not right.
Like Fergie and Klopp they are started from bad to the best
Why would Arteta experiment against a strong team? Havertz in midfield has not worked at all, then he starts him CF and Havertz plays well. Just to throw all that out of the window cos he doesn't wanna bench his dear son for Partey. Then he subs off Odegaard for ESR and loses the game. Awful game management. We ain't winning titles with this manager who always bottles it close to the end of the season.
Answer is simple Haverts should never play midfield.
People forgetting raya won it for us in the shootout
🤣🤣🤣 Jordan “he who can’t be named” then calls his name….. thanks fella I needed that to laugh! 🤣👊🏾
I was sad, dejected after last night, but even after that these four made me excited for the next game, that's why these four here are legends.Thank you Forever Arsenal
We need a new first team keeper, midfielder and striker. Its a must for next season. Raya can be on the bench with havertz and jesus.
We need a LW too. A top class winger like bayern have who can change games.
Arteta is our Brendan Rodgers, period!
100%
Facts! 😂😂😂 Xhaka left to win big 🏆 trophies .... we won't attract any good players by bottling it every season. 😂😂😂😂😂
Not even an Arsenal fan but just want to say you can't blame Arteta. He is one of the best coaches at the moment, without him Arsenal would never have dreamed of a titlerace, also Arsenal has been brilliant this second leg of the season and now suddenly after one bad performance everybody is going mad about him and calling him out.
It’s clear that as good as rice is, he is not ready to play that press-resistant 6 role. That’s why Jorgi was brought into the lineup. Why change it with 7 games to go. Against high flying Villa. Arteta messed up.
He is very good and he is ready, you completely miss the fact jorgi had odegaard and rice around him to pass to, havertz is bad in the CM role and makes rices job harder.
@@Slim2Flo What has Kai being in the midfield got to do with Rice not being press resistant? Same issue when Trossard partners Odegaard.
I didn’t say he isn’t good. I said he isn’t ready for the 6 role especially when the press is high. So why was Jorgi brought into the team?
I agree with Jordan 100%. Raya isn’t a keeper who wins you the league. I think a mixture of Ramsdale and Raya is what we need. A world class shot stopper(yes, Aaron has made a few of these) who can kick the ball like Raya does
So Martinez 😉
@@CilliTheVilla I didn’t wanna say it. 🥲
@@NeverCompletelySober some things have to be said 🤷♂️
Having a go at the fans is ridiculous. They’re not despondent after 1 game. It’s been 20 years of being let down and they can sense when another let down is on the cards.
it's one thing when you are losing 0-2, but the stadium was dead in the 65th at 0-0 because everyone knew ehat was coming.
Exactly, we went through this for the past few seasons its heartbreaking...
Finishing 8th twice
Falling short of top 4
Falling short of winning the league 2 seasons in a row
@@mazohystOfDecadenceI was watching it with my girl, and I said on the 55th that it was going to be a villa 1-0 win. This isn’t our first rodeo. Arsenal are the England of club football.
You are meant to support the team win, lose or draw. The entitlement of some of the fans is disgraceful. Still only 2 points behind, anything can happen but leaving that early just shows the players that they don't have the fans support.
If the fans feel this way, imagine how the players feel. Honestly, I don't see how this group of players with this manager ever wins a major trophy because these bottle jobs have wrecked them psychologically.
When Lee goes on his rants it reminds of that one school teacher when they've had enough and switches on the students😂
An interesting statement about the 'keeper - Arsenal had the best keeper in the world and Arteta strangely let him go for a song. Martinez kept the Villa in the game yesterday.
@@anish87havertz, an attacker and zinchenko completly out of position let them cross it. Saliba froze and zinchenko should have been guarding back post and raya was too slow to react.
Jordan you are right about Jesus and Zinchenko well done. As for Raya, it's hard. Saliba was watching the ball go passed and didn't react like how Andy Robertson did for Liverpool...
Arteta & Arsenal haven’t learnt from last season that’s the honest truth look at the table last season compared to thus season and somebody tell me the difference
Last season was the one that we had a chance to win the league tho not this season with 3 teams In title race 💔 last season was the one but......
@@abdydz9565you just blew a chance to go top of the table, you are in the same spot as last season.
Great podcast guys as always.
However why does Turkish looks as if he’s had a few drinks to drown his sorrows 😂
We lost one match, we are all now better than the coach.
Let's not be fickle. Support the team as a fan.
19:55 - Villa did change something tactically in the second half. They switched from a standard mid block to a counterpress. I'm sure James will pick it up when he does Tactical Insight.
Don't blame the fans for leaving early and then say 'I am done with this football club'
Maybe if the fans remained in the stadium and created an atmosphere in the last few moments to help support the team to come back he wouldn’t be “done with this football club”
@@BeDoubleU24 why decided to be an Arsenal fan in the first place then if you are not senior enough to witness the invincible era. Arsenal has always been like this. Just stay with City which guarantees trophies.
People left early as they have seen this movie before and know the ending. @@jojoD107
@@makas01217Arsenal are genuinely the only title contenders I can remember who’d empty the stadium at home during the run in , especially with 8 added minutes. I never see any top club including ones that people call plastic empty as often or as easily as the Emirates. For all your words and chants , none of you actually believe in your club.
He's clearly just emotional and not serious saying "he's done with the football club"
James’ face when Lee winds up into one of his rants is priceless. He doesn’t know where to look!
Arteta is probably our Brendan Rogers, the nearly man, he just don’t have the experience to get over the line.
Painfully obvious each passing season.
How do you get experience?
I love what turkish said about the experience, quality and world class talent differentiating a good system from a great one
Definitely True
23:43
What the hell happened to Partey? Why is Arteta not using him? not even coming on as a sub? Partey is a baller and should be utilise more to give Rice some rest.
When He plays, he owns and plays his own technical way, Arteta hates that. Have you noticed how everything slows down with him in? If I were Partey? I’d run back to the La Liga or Bundesliga, that’s where his game will make him settled
He cane back from injury and hasnt had a good run since
@@Slim2Flohow can he on 5-min cameos? He was excellent against Luton in the full half. We all grow into a game
@@Slim2Flo He wasn't given the opportunity to. Arteta never starts him and only gave him 15mins cameo as a sub for 2 matches.
19:17 Jordan looking like he is loving life
How many times has this club let us fans down in the last 20 years? Please do not put this on the fans, we have been more patient than most fanbases in the last 20 years. Today is on Arteta, the players and the owners. The owners who see Arsenal as more of a business rather than wanting to win anything, the novice manager who has 1 FA Cup in 5 years, spending 700m in the process. Arteta's in-game management and team selection cost us today. The players don't have the mentality at this stage of the season once again
Also it's not just about the 1 defeat in 12 as to why I think some fans left early, it was more we have seen this for the past 20 years. We get so close just to crumble, I wouldn't be surprised if the fans that left were the older generation that have seen this story before. Disappointing and we have been let down yet again, will we ever learn? Will the Kroenke's do what is necessary & get a manager with real pedigree and experience to get us over the line?
@@FFR95I’m a city fan and I’d just like to point out that City would never empty our stadium mid run in for the title. That fickleness is part of why you probably won’t win the title. Not a single other top club would have their stadium 2/3 empty especially before they got 8 minutes of added time. Earlier last season you all remained super late for games where Reiss or Jorginho save you points. How do you think the players feel literally watching their support disappear till they get outnumbered by Villa fans in their own stadium?
This 100% thank you.
so after the Fulham loss you're effectivly asking for 17 wins + 1 draw at the Etihad, is that what you want? otherwise you will empty the stadium? you think this is realistic? .. need some prospective
Clap your players off and move onto next week. 6 games to go but that was shameful from the fans. You don’t turn your back for one bad performance in 4 months
As a season ticket holder not everyone left. One side wanted it more than the other in the second half. Which is hard to take considering where Arsenal are at the moment. I think some of the fans acted on what they saw on the pitch sadly. What is important now is to react in a positive way.
The sad face thumbnail is genius!
This team lacks a prime Alexis Sanchez. Will the manager sign someone like that, no and that's my worry
I don't blame the fans for leaving, the sign was on the wall with the level of performance all second half. We couldn't keep possession for longer than 5 minutes and allowed them to gain confidence at our ground. Unacceptable. At least Liverpool tried in their game just poor finishing. The passion and energy was lacking
Leave it to Jordan to say I am not gonna throw a fit then goes on a monologue throwing everyone under the bus... spot on bruv spot on
I don't think the fans just left because we were losing, I was in the stadium and it was quite clear that the players on the pitch in that second half just didn't give a s***. So when that goal went in from bailey, it literally just felt like well the players have given up. So why the hell are we still here?
That’s the point though. No other fanbase , even City fans that you all call plastic. Are going to have the stadium 2/3s empty during a game in the run in to a title. Arsenal fans are the loudest (alongside Anfield and Old Trafford) when they’re up and ghosts when they’re behind.
@@karmaascendant3936Don’t blame the fans. They’ve seen happen every year. Get so close to our goals just to fall apart. It’s tiring.
Everyone - Quickly before Turkish comes in
Turkish - Love for the love people that’s the end of the pod
Xhaka wins a Budesliga his first season leaving us, starting to believe this club is a stepping stone and we’ll see all the talents we have leave eventually and win elsewhere
Bundesliga is easy tho one team can win 5 games straight and be many points up so it's not like premier league we're in 3 clubs with almost same points running for title it isn't easy
@@abdydz9565Bayern have won it 11 years in a row
It's only easy for Bayern, for any other team to win it is a huge achievement.
They're also on for an actual invincible season, not a lame "12 draw while knocked out of every cup" one that Arsenal had
I have said this since last year. If arsneal fail to win the big things, Players will leave for the bigger clubs.
CBs , Saka will be gone in 2 years if arsenal fail to win anything.
@@Glen38 exactly, if you want to win something, leave Arsenal
@@abdydz9565 Bundesliga is easy for Bayern not for other lol
Lee all over the place
He says Rice should be rested but then also says why you changing things?
Make your mind up.
Jordan 100% correct about Emery having Arteta number.
short memories boys. Raya saved two penalties against Porto. Won the Arsenal the game
Nah saving penalties is not the same thing
@Adriaantje2008 Why not? Saving pens is the ultimate bail out surely
@@Adriaantje2008 No? If Raya hadn't have saved the pens then the Arsenal wouldn't be in the competition. The fan base is upset but let's not round on our team.
Plus his save vs Brighton last week
The fact arteta put zinchenko and jesus on when the team was fine beforehand is extremely baffling and backfired on him big time i said it arteta has next season and thats it time to win trophies
Agree with Jordon on Zinchenko
What Lee says about McGinn shows snobbery, Mcginn is light-years ahead of your midfield in what matters. He doesn't stop running he's a nuisance he shows drive and commitment your midfield doesn't.
Mcginn has played against rice many times and schooled him 90& of the time and also Lee going on about rice is shattered mcginn has played as many games this season for club and country and he is no slouch
Has Lee forgotten about the Porter game in regards to Raya?
11:43 JORDAN - I think the best keeper Arsenal had in the last ten years was playing for Villa on Sunday. This team with Martinez would be winning things
Everything that went on in the Villa game and you want to bring up Raya? Players to blame in the first half for not finishing their chances 2nd half is on Arteta not dealing with tactical changes and leaving substitutions so late
This comment was after Jordan speaking on Raya and now later seeing Lee's rant. On the 1st goal yep Raya could have done better but then why is Zinny at right-back but yet you say he gets scapegoated. Whether you think it or not you're still harbouring feelings for how Ramsdale was replaced.
You are so right Unai was so subtle in is change of tactics that you could not see it at all
Turkish looks like he's about to cry.
I'm Irish and we support our team to the end, see the 4-0 beating we got from that Elite Spanish team in the Poland/Ukraine Euro's, when in the 82nd minute, knowing we were out of the tournament after just 2 group stage games, then one voice started to sing the 'Fields of Athenry', which then reverberated right around the stadium long after the final whistle.
When you view it on RUclips, 'Spain 4-0 Ireland Euro 2012', try and read some comments from other countries fans to see what they thought of the spirited Irish fans. A fan from Morocco on getting home from work, with his young son watching the game, on hearing the sheer volume of noise from the Irish fans, he naturally thought Ireland were beating the World Champions 4-0, then on seeing the score brought him to tears.
Brazilian fan wrote how he felt disgusted how when they were losing to Germany 3-4-5 nil in the WC14, some of their fans burnt their own flags in the stadium, yet these fans were singing their hearts out 4-0 down.
Even if Arsenal fans stayed seated in silence would be better than walking out early.
That's the fans over with, now Arteta, WTF was he putting Havertz back in midfield, it's akin to not letting your cat into the kistchen, for it has not only worked out how to open the fridge, but the freezer section too and then procedes into devouring all the ice cream.
And then one day (yesterday's game) you inexplicitly permit the cat entry into your kitchen.
Now don't cry on our shoulders Arteta, about having no ice cream/Title to go with your jelly brain tactics in this Villa game.
The worrying signs were clearly there, that the players were wilting under pressure, Porto, the Bayern game with Laurel & Hardy defending and then yesterday.
Some of our fans saying we are still in it, if CITY drop points, but I believe they will just go on a 6 winning streak but even if they do, do you, for I don't see us winning every game!
I always felt this Villa game, sandwiched between the pressure Bayern games, was the one that stood out as the biggest concern.
Emery did the same thing, picking a weakened team for PL, due to the Europa semi's, which cost us the 4th spot (e.g. lost to Palace), then lost the semi's, meaning our 2 tickets into the CL were torn in two by the ticket inspector.
Arteta prioritised the Bayern game, that could well have blown us the title, who really, truly believes even if we get past Bayern, we'll then get past CITY or Real Madrid, then beat Barca/PSG/Atleti in the final?
The PL was in our hands, with 7 games to go, not having to play CITY/LIV again, decent GD avantage, it should've been our No1 target!
What’s James on about? Arsenal weren’t that great in the first half. Villa were unlucky not to go in at half time one nil up.
Yes they were.
Are u blind, did u not see torssard pint blank
Come on, some of our buildup in the first half was world class, just kept fluffing it when we got in the box
All season Kai has struggled when he has time to think about what he’s doing, but he takes quick thinking chances, whereas Jesus is great in those moments where he has time to think about it, so what I don’t understand is why they don’t swap over, we play Jesus deeper and making the runs in behind, then have Kai in those positions where he doesn’t need to think about it. I can be the only one who sees it’s Kai with the chance running through and knows it ain’t going in?
You understand ball. Havertz is a 1 or 2 touch merchant, and he’s very efficient and precise. He doesn’t actually run properly if you watch his legs, gets himself in awkward body positions when he has to run with the ball. Jesus is the opposite; he’s always looking to find a reason to take an extra touch in situations where he has to be one touch
Jorginho being able to see where Gabriel and Saliba are positioned and then attempting that risky through pass is diabolical. ESR's chances 1-on-1 vs Watkins are slim at best.
Jorginho needed to do a forward passes . You losing 1nil needing to score
@@SHUTUPNOWW9360 not at that moment. Or chip it over the top, even if it doesn't come off its not catastrophic. That pass he attempted was never on. The risk/reward was far too high for that time in the game only 1 down.
@@bazalinco what hurting me now it's if we Will ever drop points it should be Tottenham or united away but imagine dropping points before even facing Tottenham Chelsea and united 💔 this was the day that we had to win but bottle it again
Ngl he should’ve taken Watkins out and take the red card while Watkins was outside the box, not like esr gonna play the rest of the season
Totally agree...He should have fouled him, pull his jersey down before he gets in the box and take one for the team
Lee is absolutely spot on about the defense. Two high pressure games now that we’ve been unable to handle defensively. We’ve been known for years as the team that crumbles under pressure and I thought we finally turned that corner. The past week makes me think we haven’t.
As a Jamaican I’m happy for Leon Bailey, who continues to make history. However Arsenal knew the intensity needed to win this game and they should have known the threats of Aston Villa. Time to wake up Gunners. Hopefully they get a win against Bayern. Gonna be tough but Arsenal is capable of beating them.
Well said Lee the fans were absolutely disgusting.. they don’t understand how fortunate they are to be there. I can’t get tickets I’ve been paying £250/£300 for tickets this season. And I sing my heart out, how dare they
Look how quick we turn on our team. Extremely disappointing but the improvements year to year are obvious. They seem to learn from mistakes, hopefully they learn from these ones.
What exactly did they learn?
How many years are we going to wait? It’s not turning on the team to be critical, we’ve thrown too many things away (again)
When the pressure is on, they fold. Learn nothing
The stadium is full of tourists ... I'd rather pay more for silver membership and have more chance of getting a ticket.
nothing learnt! 20years no EPL they are still learning!
I tell you what, I saw game saving saves from Ramsdale. That great save against Leicester last year comes to mind.
Agree with a lot of the game analysis and the assessment of our current squad, but I think you guys have totally overlooked the fact that we've played one of the best teams in the world in mid week, in a tough game where we had to come from behind. We were playing once a week (or every 2 weeks!) for most of 2024. When did we drop points vs West Ham and Fulham? In the very busy Christmas period. Yes we got results vs Porto, but were we good in those games? No. This team ain't built for big games every few days. At least not the way Arteta has been managing the squad. We're one of the best once-a-week teams in the world, but I knew UCL would trip us up. We had to focus on one over the other, or switch up the game plan or something. It looks like the season may be over on all fronts in the space of a week, which goes to show we haven't learnt lessons as much as we should have, and it's PTSD from the Arsenal of old... where we regularly saw us bow out of 2 or 3 competitions in the space of a week or two. Disappointing lads.
14th April:
The return of the teeth grinding.😍
Arteta can’t get Arsenal over the line, Xavi Aloso is better than him.
Can’t argue with that
You're nuts 😂
You mean Xabi? Xavi=Gerard
And? He is not managing and hasn’t managed in PL. Try it here and then we talk.
Based on what? Ranieri won the league once where is he? If Alonso challenges for the next 5 yrs and wins more, we can have this debate.
I couldnt agree more with Jordan today. He is been on point and on fire. I guess when you don't watch Netflix and watch the game, you can have valid points. :)
Going at the fans when this team hasn't won anything to make the fans stick by them is wrong. The manager picked the wrong line-up by using a havertz in midfield when early on in the season wasn't working. To make is worse is that he's too arrogant and refused to change it. This lose and no title is on more mikel than anybody not even the players
Fans are supposed to stick by the team whether win lose or draw.
Swear some people want us to be puppets. Mikel should've subbed off Jesus and Zinchenko for Partey and Tomiyasu. But no, he brings on ESR for Odegaard, takes off Ben White, and brings on Jorginho.... how can he get it so wrong? We lost against Newcastle and Villa with Havertz in midfield. How many points has Zinchenko cost us? How can he mess up so badly in an important game? I've never seen a self-sabotaging manager with an ego like Mikel. He is a good manager but his ego will cost us every season.
@@ZeldaReacts1 you don’t have to be a puppet. But I do think fans should support their team through a difficult game. Arsenal fans are so spoilt, they have lost one game in 2024 drew one and won 10. If a team is having a bad day you can still express your discontent like the ultras did at the Milan game. But be there in the stadium to do that.
Havertz was our most dangerous player in the 1st half. The 2nd half everyone looked fucked. I've never seen such a contrast.
Don't forget who put us in this strong position again, Arteta.
Well done lads for mirroring how we all feel! Yet articuated it in a professional way.
This is why fan channels wipe the floor with MOTD and the beigey/grey Shearers and Owens.
It was a tough watch because of yesterday and the implications of the loss.
Tommy for zinny, havertz for jesus, martinelli for trossard, george or partey in the midfield...NOT havertz
Jorginho in midfield amd havertz in no.9 works in premier for 10games .....but arteta chances it
Exactly! I think Arteta just underestimated Villa and thought too much about the next Bayern game.
Firstly, Arteta's arrogance and naivity cost us that game. He underestimated Villa and rotated too much.
Secondly, Mertinelli has been awful this season, play Jesus on the left and Havertz as CF instead.
I'm here after the disrespectful comments made about your away visit to Villa Park on our day we can beat the tops teams only Liverpool have been successful thus far it ain't no fluke whats happening at Villa and we should be taken seriously that said I always had Arsenal as my 2nd team since 1991 but after the arrogance of the guys on this channel it turned me of your team and thats a real shame because you deserve your time in the sun ..just be humble . You came up against a determined Emery and a vibrant Villa front line ...and chippy Bailey ..peace and good luck
We lost control of the midfield with that team selection and we messed up against Bayern due to him playing Kiwior.
Who u want him to play then???? Kiwior did well in the whole 2024. Zinc is worse as starters. Proved many times even last game against villa. Tomi just returned from the injury. May be not as good as b4 yet to start the game. Timeber? LoL. Who else do u think can start against Bayern? It was CB pairing prob against bayern. Both were underperformed. Not as their usual self. Maybe nervous or fatigue since they played all games without rest or been subbed.
Arteta messed up against Bayern by starting Jorginho and Kiwior instead of Partey and Tomiyasu then he bottles it even worse by starting Havertz in midfield and Zinchenko LB. Never seen a manager that bottles it so much cos he doesn't wanna bench his dear son Havertz.
Mate, he bought Kiwior. The guy is cr*p. He is giving Senderos and Cygan vibes! Tomi is way better.
bottling 4-5 years in a row is insane
You should change the title of this podcast towards the end of each season to the “Fourever therapy podcast”
Come on guys, after a terrible result and the doom and gloom, it takes this Pod cast to make us all laugh. Turkish thumb nail suprise and lees reaction, and then at the end Lee as he always does has me and the whole pod in fits of laughter. Love the 4 of you, and yes this time like last time includes you Jordon. Love for the love ❤
Havertz was also awful in the villa game
He is not a Midfielder as we saw at the start of the season. So blame Arteta.
He was one of our better players.
James has always stated he only ever wanted to beat Lee in the table, but once the point got deducted, James reaction just showed how much he truly wanted to win the table 😅😅
Everyone on here listening to Curtis shaws after game fan cam on his channel he sums it up all perfectly and keeps it 💯
11:33 This is spot on about David Raya, it’s exactly what David De Gea was doing for United he was making saves and blocks he had no business and it kept United afloat now they got Onana ole’ing every ball by. And Zinchenko is primarily an attacking fullback. The crowd was so pissed when he went half assed into that challenge against Tielemans that allowed Tielemans to strike a bender and barely missed it. He needs a real striker to lob the ball to. Jesus isn’t helping Arsenal they need a Hojlund or a Sebastian Haller type
Quite funny you criticised the fans then went on to tell us how little the players fought for the fans.
Anyone switch off everything and went straight to Netflix 90 on the 90th min? 😅 I must say I feel better after watching this…. Therapy session in full effect!!!😊
Arteta is our version of Brendon Rogers. A decent manager but won't get you over the line
Ummm lee… did you forget Raya saves in porto penalty shootout?????
Saka is a liability. It's like playing a man short for 80 minutes.
You lot must be blind because he made so many defensive tackles lmao
Jordan is absolutely right in his conversation
If we win all the games we will probably win the league as City probably won’t win all their games. It’s statistically improbable that you will have two teams enjoy a winning streak simultaneously and City winning would mean them winning their last 9. The problem is that we won’t have the mental fortitude to win all the games left. Imagine we swapped both sides and City had the better goal difference - they lose at home to Villa and we beat Luton 5-1 at the weekend to go 2 pts clear with 6 games left. City wouldn’t think it was over and they would know that they need to put thoughts of the title to one side and just smash the other teams in the next 6 games. Of course if we drop anymore points it’s completely done. I’ll be so proud of these guys if they can actually win the last six
Lool city aren’t going to lose
@@CrowzEye I don’t think City will lose either although I hope they do. I believe they will draw one though- even last week I did say we’ve gone ahead a bit earlier than I’d have liked. I felt if we got on top with 3 games to go it would be easier for us to manage. Our Goal difference is superior to theirs though so all things being equal if they draw one and we win all ours we win the league because That leaves us level on points with them. With six games left there’s definitely room for one more major twist in this race