Magnus Carlsen vs. The World
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- This video analyzes the Magnus Carlsen vs. The World game. It was played in New York City on September 10th, 2010. The 3 grandmasters who acted as advisors for the game were Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Judit Polgar and Hikaru Nakamura. G-Star Raw
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Wrong title. It must Magnus Carlsen Vs World minus Magnus Carlsen
+leteveryoneknow We don't know that he wasn't voting on blacks move
More correctly vs. rest of the world.
Are you really bothered about a title when it's obvious what it means? (dumbfounded)
but the world is not these 4 people
minus me also. i wasn't avaliable. i was on a trip in transylvania.
...and the world ends up resigning!!!
6:24 Thought he was going to say "it's at this point that black simply resigns" lol
Krumax Made me laugh xD
Jerry: “It’s at this point that Black simply res“
Me: WHAT
Jerry: “olves this tension”
Jerry giving move advice for the world.. Gotta love it.
upload again or gay
Here's an important point. If Carlsen were one of the 3 Super-GMs with the world to play against another sole Super-GM, Carlsen would also lose. In fact, ANY sole Super-GM would win in this format.
All GMs will frequently see the correct move, but subsequent GMs are forced to make a DIFFERENT suggestion. This has the effect of confusing "The World" who will then frequently blunder by choosing the wrong move. This has the effect of Lowering the collective Three GM rating. The world is a huge liability ;-)
The GMs could suggest the same move. And they also did that from time to time (i.e. forced captures etc). This resulted in no vote for that move.
Necro, but this would probably be true of any GM except Carlsen, because of how popular he is. People would convince themselves that the move he suggests is correct and vote for it. If the GM who suggests moves is not identified then yes any single GM would win this.
Zoe you clearly didn't play the game.
Great point, I like the way you think :)
+Zoe TheCat i'd say that yes indeed, there will be a cost for the time required to agree on a solution that the sole GM doesnt need to pay.
But is not clear whether or not putting carlsen in the world team against a slightly weaker sole super gm would make the latter win the game though, because the world could agree to prioritize carlsen's decisions which are more likely to be at least as good as the opponent's one, since he's world no1 and thus reduce that cost.
_"The world [resigns]."_ - ChessNetwork 2017
excuse me ...i'm not responsible for that lost
Jack Set haha
The world resigns hahah
Josh k ...~
AHHHHH those terrible chess pieces .____. it hurts my eyes^^... nothing fits, it's very uncomfortable to look at. the board is streched horizontallyand there is no reason for those we-wanna-be-3D-chess-pieces pieces.They look like on a smartphone app that's wants to be pretty but ends but being butt ugly.
The pieces hurt your eyes yet your comment annoyed mines ^^ !
Awkward Alan Why does it matter? It's about the game not the appearance of the pieces.
CakeStak
Cos it's very uncomfortable to look at, disrupting concentration.
Awkward Alan Well maybe if you have ADHD you shouldn't be playing chess.
NaughtyNickers
Wow, someone has no clue about ADHD :'D But I give you the benefit of the doubt that you just wanted to make a joke^^
I would love to see Carlsen vs Houdini, or as another commenter below suggested, Carlsen, Kasparov and Kramnik / Nakamura or another 3rd GM against Houdini. Would be interesting to see if they could take on that monster.
Jerry is the best commentary voice next to Josh waitzkin IMPO. He always points out the moves that would seem obvious and explain why they are bad. I like that cause im always picking those ones.
i love how your videos are so long. it allows room for every detail. other Chess players simply say things like "f5 is no good" and simple explanations that dont give a thorough idea of whats going on, for beginners like myself. thank you very much and keep it up.
One question- are the 3 GM required to offer 3 different moves, or could there be duplication. In some situations, I would think it would be unanimous.
Casey Vee nah they could pick any move.
9:29 didn't he miss the queen exchange? moving both knights instead of queen take?
Jerry better is, The World number 1 vs The World.
These types of situations have been bugging me for months, in positions like on 3:28, how valid is sacrificing a minor piece to develop another? Like with Nf5, exf5, Bxf5?
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1. Ba6, Qa7 2. rook a7, rook b6, ending in pinned bishop and black rook down.
Absolutely amazing. I loved the video and the commentary. It was great to see various variations that could occur. Keep up making videos of the masters! I would love to see more.
at 9:55 Nc7 was in my opinion a mistake because after f3 Bc7 - Qxd6 White's up a pawn and has a clear advantage
Great...welcome back! :)
Hello
Nicely done. I really enjoyed your analysis. Will look for more of your stuff.
awesome comentary
@kettellive The world was anyone who wanted to participate and cast there vote from move to move. So the world is, in part, you!
i like the emphasis on how certain moves can change the structure of the board down the line... positional play can be difficult to see for beginners (like me)
Jerry, I think your video pacing is excellent. I also like how you'll quickly say a moves' effect on the game ('and this piece was basically locked down in this position for the rest of the game').
queen cant take because of the rook, so after bishop takes, queen exchange, then bishop is pinned, allowing white rook to double up and there won't be any way to protect the piece from being lost
Au contraire, my friend. The things that make a chess video worth seeing IMHO are: more variations (why this and not that), good positional analysis, mixed with some commentator magic. And Jerry just does all of them.
Same type of Stand?
Thanks for the cancer. Looking forward to next season. Oh and...what ar3 yu fkin gai?
9:08 Why didnt Magnus take the queen?
Jan Srba look at g4
Frozen Light Och i didnt saw the bishop, thanks :)
He participated in the 2012 championship determining matches but withdrew from the tournament shortly afterwards due to the fact that he didn't like that the current champion has a built in advantage of watching all of their possible contenders tire themselves out and learning their play style and tactics. I'm sure had he not withdrawn he would've had a great chance at taking the title from Anand.
At 8:51 what about queen takes queen and knd7 ,rb4 and nc5
wow! you really clear things up and help even the most clueless players (like me) to understand what is really going on and want the players plan to do and why they make the moves they do :) Ive seen more of your videos before and you are just amazing! You explain every detail and it's not boring to watch at all!
very helpful videos!! you explanition are clear and very smart! it helped me particulary on the opening theories! thanks dude
makes me want to go play chess again. Won states in high school but stopped playing. Time to bring it back.
Great analysis, very insightful. It's interesting to see how the complexities of the game of chess get simplified, and yet there is still a lot of depth in the game. Magnus's positional chess style really shines through in this match, and i'm sure in many of his other matches it's visible as well. Good vid.
Wow. That was a very efficient game by Magnus. He was relentless.
The "world" resigned because of the inevitable queen/rook exchange that would leave white with just a minor piece (the knight) while black would still retain a rook. Black has more mobility. Black can check the king whenever he wants and can create situations where it'll be a fork on the knight and king. The rook can also keep the king and knight away from pawns pretty easily and can lock down a file to allow easy pawn advancement/promotion to queen. Pawn promotion is inevitable here and checkmate will soon follow.
The opening is sometimes the most important part of a game. It is where you build steam.
It's incredible how much weaker three GM's working together (long-distance) are than one GM working alone.
Fun fact. 3 grandmasters will almost certainly be worse than 1 if they don't communicate between eachother. Plus, the world would not be able to decide on a better move unless the majority of the voters can calculate good enough on this level. It could've been nice to know what other 2 options did the world have in every taken move
Nice, everytime i see one of your video's i learn something. Keep up the good work!
Actually I think that 6... Nc6 is a kind of a weird move, because knight goes on e7 and stays there without a play. 6... Nbd7 is better with the idea 7. 0-0 e5, 8. e4 c6 and then maybe Qa5, ed, Ne5. Anyway, Magnus plays very strong chess
I'm new to chess and i like/need to hear all this.
cxd5 was the mistake in the position because now white has already the advantage on the queenside and the knight is dead wood on e7
at min 15:19 instead of black going king F7, should've went bishop c8:a6 taking the white pawn?
Hey man, I've subscribed to your videos- they're great and very informative, and I've only really started taking an interest in Chess. Please keep making more. Thanks.
@lazimofo90 I agree w/ your observations on this one. From what I gathered, the match should have been titled, "Carlsen vs. Nakamura", not "Carlsen vs. the World".
I'm not sure why Nakamura had so much influence over the other GM's. Granted, he is a blitz-monster, but outside the U.S., well, "the World" never had a prayer.
gave me a refresher on interferance thanks
Chuck Norris can checkmate Magnus Carlsen in just 1 move. Using only his King.
jdmikeg4 it's not funny
Nicola Rossi It really is though.
Nicola Rossi Chuck can make it funny for you with a single roundhouse.
+jdmikeg4 He can also play against himself and win both sides of the board.
+jdmikeg4 That's because Chuck Norris is the only person that has a rating of infinity.
Don't agree on this but i'm not so good in chess. but why not take the queen of black instead of moving horse back ? they can't get white queen after it right>?
Excellent as usual. Thanks for your hard work.
why is magnus carlsen so much more special then other grandchessmaster, does he like have a lot better rating
Then it will be just simply a queen exchange because after Qxd7 black will respond Bxd7.
God this is an ugly board
When black moves knight e8, at 9:01 couldn't white simply capture the queen?
Very insightful! It really helps me play better when I listen to the reasoning behind these moves!
Very nice analysis. Unfortunately "The World" would be better with just one GM suggestion, since theoretically, each GM could purse with a move a different strategy from the other two GMs thus shuffling from a 20 move calculus for example. But great game non the less :)
I'm really curious to see what the choices were for these moves. My guess is that in most cases the majority of people would go for suggestions put up by the GMs. In which case, would it be fair to say that Carlsen essentially beat 3 GMs working in concert?
Matthew Woolner The beginning explained this. It said that the three GMs put up their own respective options for a move, and the 'world' voted one of the three. The public couldn't vote against the three GMs.
fantastic commentary!!
"The world" means just that: "the world" as representatively as possible. It does not mean "Magnus Carlsen vs The 50 top GMs working together". I think the main purpose of these kind of matches is to promote chess to the public (a great cause!) and not to beat Magnus Carlsen
In that picture, carlsen looks kinda like Jacob Black... good video, Jerry.
doesn't h3 at 10:00 trap the bishop or win the pawn on d6?
11:20 why couldn't the black rook take knight on c3?
I wonder what the highest rated player for the world was, but realistically I think there were a few Grand masters and mostly players under 2200. I'm have a 1600 otb rating and if I play against (10) 1400's I bet I would still win . I would be interested if Magnus would play vs the World where the world is the other top 10 players. Like Anand, wouldn't be fare, but if Magnus wins then he is by far the best.
There's a lot of problems with this format that advantage Carlsen here.
@8mikomi8 well you can't really call deep blue a gm, but anand, topalov or fischer would have been good bets too : )
But not Everybody who are smart plays our game !@*
Interesting. Thanks. I guess it would be more of a fair system if he could just challenge Anand for the championship directly, without Anand being able to study him while he tires out.
Outstanding explanation of Magnus' mastery. You are an excellent teacher!
Magnus is the future of chess hes only 19 and and has an ELO of 2826. Thats why Kasporov is working with him, he knows Magnus is going places and he wants credit for it lol.
hey jerry did u take part in this game...i mean did u vote or something
7:30 why let the situation be as it is when you can when you can move the pawn from b7 to b6! THUMBS UP IF U THINK I'M RIGHT ..... im an amateur so your vote or comment will help me to learn something
It's fun how he says we when tlaking about Magnes Carlsen, since he was playing agianst the world, which actually is the 'we' here..
very good analysis thanks!!!
Very nice analysis. Thanks.
Would've been interesting to see black knight to moving to a5 right then and there
How many people are actually voting?
@TheSchaef I think he was the one who posted on twitter whos said the opening he was unfamilliar with and asked people not to vote to him.... yet people did
Great analysis, thanks.
I was not informed of this! I demand a rematch on behalf of the Entire World!
Thanks rmb. :)
Thanks a lot Jerry. You made my day.
Magnus Carlsen vs Za Warudo
Anyone know what engine/program this is? I actually really like the pieces.
chess openings wizard
Magnus Carlsen always looks like he's ready to bite someone's head off. Does this guy ever smile?
Thanks for the analysis! Honestly, it's good to know the variations that could've been played, but I slept a large portion of the video. Maybe I shouldn't be watching chess videos when I ought to be sleeping?
not saying I could have beat magnus, but I realized a lot of flaws in this "world's" game the world did not think ahead plainly also you can see how magnus did. I am sorry if I sound rude.
@8mikomi8 No because if the world has to choose from three possible moves it will miss the best ones. The "world" just weakens the grandmasters.
why white play a6 in 15:17? why doesnt black bishop take the pawn?
He chose not to enter the qualification tournament because he was dissatisfied with the conditions.
He is the top ranked player in the world. I would assume that he is beatable (he is human, after all), but his reputation would indicate that doing so would require skill beyond that of even the best players.
Putting a committee up against a top player, no matter who is on the committee, is like giving the solo player a rook handicap.
8:59
Why not take the queen?
@jasonpatrickries After bishop takes on h3 bh3, qh3 will come into effect, planting the queen in the white position and weakening it.
What if x ... Ra5?
If x+1 a8Q then Ra8, x+2 Ra8 and black can still make damage with the knight, after unpinning it. Not easy but maybe can try for a tie. Not?
Not versus carlsen hahahahah are you joking me man
when is the next someone vs the world match? can anyone join?
I hate chess videos where don't distinguish visually real and possible positions.
If he was playing against the Worm, I'm sure Carlsen would just play an early 1. f4 and his opponent would be caught.
@leakycauldron1 Agreed. You have a collection of various different minds all trying to coordinate their separate ideas. Must be confusing.