Going to see how things shape up over the next few months, but 7DS is just poorly balanced and not fun anymore for me, I'll still be chucking out the occasional video looking at new content, but the passion just isn't there anymore and I've got to be honest! - If you want to follow my main channel I'm having a blast playing Marvel Future Revolution at the moment, if not, thanks for watching and supporting me, really appreciate it! - Main Channel Link: ruclips.net/video/lGZZP8TkWew/видео.html
Ahh sucks to hear that man. Regardless, I’ll always be here to support the 🐐, love ur content no matter what game it is. Hopefully the game just balances out and they give us the much needed changes and improvements, Well have to wait and see
Yh I totally agree with the video and I think you're videos are better when you enjoy them so whatever you choose I'll carry on following your channels
I think there should be a PvP mode that is called “classic mode” or something like that where Festival units are straight up banned. That would be appealing to players like Seatin who want to see PvP variety.
That would be very cool. No festivals plus it should be a slow release of characters on that mode starting from green Merlin and green ban to the new Oslo and hawk with every character being at max potential (max cosmetics, max ult level, etc.).
@@BotLaneTaken Me too, neither I want her :D But the thing is when you drop a unit like that, you need to make some balance with future units and that's how we got this Purgatory Ban meta. Honestly, cant wait to see new Estarossa that will probably be blue
@@alexgamer1556 they really need to bring about proper end game contents with replayability TT i was thinking Ragnarok would bring about a few game mode looks damn was i deluded
@Isaac Faniyan they could incoprate team switching as they did with the Croc Boss or even randomising to a certain degree, adding the option of going beyond elite geared pvp. Especially players who are walled off on their progression where innovation is non-existent. I just hope contents creators dont dump this game to the grounds, theres still a lot of untapped potential in this game hopefully developers explore this aspects( which they do but its too tame)
Yea I thought ragnarok would do more but it's just story mode and summon getting old still no guild war no coin shop update they could add permanent 4v4 this game is mostly revolved around pvp so unless your hard core pvp there no reason to spend I see nothing changing anytime soon.
I agree 4v4 would drastically change the dynamics of PBan teams, the weakest link being out in the open leave more room for counterplays. Hopefully they release characters that " break " passive in someway soon.
@@hazleygod no ult rush? Twigo is highly prone to getting sniped? Once twigo goes down everything comes crashing down fast? Ideally Ban's counter teams are designed to snipe Arthur or even Ban on turn 1 but on grounds of 4v4 once Twigo goes down, Arthur falls through quickly. Arthur has means to sustain and tank with his taunt. Twigo doesnt have that safety net.
@@hazleygod well you didnt tag any of us, you made a ambiguous statement. Theres no need for you to respond in a condescending manner. It wldnt hurt to be responding a civil manner, agreed? Have a nice day.
The biggest problem with pvp is that they release units that have a decent passive and MIGHT be useful and they just get destroyed by the next or current fest. a new pvp mode with no festival units like the one or ban who are just too powerful for the OC’s and other banner units would be nice
Watch after a couple months people are gonna be complaining on how boring pvp in that mode is….there’s no pleasing the player base. This is common in Gatcha or any multiplayer game in general.
@@kevinchristian5154 oh yes. AM Meli its now destroyed by Ban. The other day i face one against my Ban team. He was 50k CC more than me, and i stil won. its kinda ridiculous tbh.
@@TheXxMugenxX true, so nothing much has changed except the meta, though to be fair KingBram was definitely more toxic since they can petrify your whole team if they wanted to just to be toxic
That does sound nice till you remember not everyone has the resources to enhance every usable unit, chances are most are focusing on the current meta team because its efficient.
That would really work, but only half of the banned characters are banned in regular pvp because most normal pvp players can’t afford to upgrade new units for a weeks forth of banning
What keeps me in the game is doing fun things with my guild, and I also like the feeling of endless progression to some extent in relation to gear and building up my box, but for someone like yourself who has nothing really to build up, or for people who don't like the grind I can totally understand why they'd feel that way because there's just not much for them to do.
whales get burned out much faster considering they dont have things to look forward too. like us we have fun getting units we dont have, and building up more gear sets. They already have all that.
@@jasonr6954 it's hard getting units you don't have when banner filler units are so trash in grandcross banner and they put the good units in banners of a character that nobody wants.
I'm mostly out too, just logging in to get daily rewards in case things improve and moving on to other games. My favorite team was Blue Melascula, Green Mini Diane, and Halloween Gowther with Green Gil on the back. Stat stacking Mela all day, worked in every meta, but this one finally killed it.
@@jaden3997 you guys think this is bad? Least grand cross has diversity. Shit like dokkan and fate grand order is so boring with nothing but story and meaningless pve content once you reached end game…..so the cycle of complaining about more content in Gatcha will always continue l.
@@davidt6814 huh? I don’t play fate but dokkan has a ton of variety. Some good some bad but grand cross has PVP and that’s really it. And PVP in a gotcha just never works. They all fall to the same problem You need to summon Dokkan right now is in a great place
I totally agree. There's not much content to strive for, just new characters coming out and players summoning on banners to add characters to the barbie doll collection
I have been using a team of Sariel, Tarmiel, and Goddess Liz with green Gil in the back to deal with these Ban teams, Using Tarmiel and Liz to stall while building up ults.
I’m glad someone big is speaking exactly what I’ve been saying for months. I don’t plan on fully quitting, I love the game so much but PvP is SO ANNOYING and PvE feels super dry most of the time. I usually just log in, do daily’s, build my units as much as I can for the day, and then log off to do literally anything else I’m hoping the content takes a turn for the better because I’m tired of the only content is spending money on OP Banners ://
After Seeing Seatin's tweet about his frustration in handling both channels I already new a video like this would come. You should rest once in a while my guy, we be waiting
I still feel like the rewards structure in game is good, it's just that it's turned into a pvp game and when pvp becomes stale it's understandable that people get bored and want to quit . Hopefully the devs listen and understand that we actually want challenging pve content (doesnt have to be fb escanor level) and not just bosses to quickly grind mats , exchange them and put into characters then go back into pvp. Pvp is not everyone's cup of tea .
I can understand your burning up in this game. I need to spend at least three hours everyday on Grand Cross in order to remain remotely competitive in Pvp as a F2p. Need to constantly farm new gear/anvils/mats every month for the new broken festival unit that destroy the previous one. Really hope that will be something to reduce the burden on us players.
@@micromania6170 It wont save the game but then at least, they can make the 99% of completely useless units useable in some way, its a step in the right direction since they love to increase the power creep in this game
I feel like the introduction of festival units really messed up pvp, either you get a festival and do something boring or not get them and get absolutely destroyed in pvp
I think Bellmoth did a good job at eliminating a lot of the meta characters and made us use characters that aren’t typically used often. I’d personally like to see more bosses similar to Bellmoth appear on PVE to give a lot of the older niche characters some play.
Same Seatin. I basically quit after all the festivals back to back. To me wasn't even fun anymore levelling up and upgrading units. Started to feel like a job. Pvp I couldn't even compete anymore cause I wasn't able to level up units. I'm still playing every now and then but I even go whole weeks without opening the app. It's been a fun ride (especially during the beginning.) but now is not fun anymore. I feel you Seatin and I totally don't blame you
Purgatory Ban is OP like he should be in the manga. When The One Escanor came out it was the same and noone said anything. But yeah, when it comes to PvP there is low variability and that makes it sometimes boring... To me it's not boring at the moment because Ban is my favourite character and i enjoy playing with him
Seatin, I've been running Purgatory Ban team, but hear me out.. Mine has a twist. I use the standard Purgatory Ban, Excalibur Arthur, and Twigo backline.. But my fourth unit is what changes everything; Vivian! I made her level 90 5 star super awakened, fully upgraded all her cosmetics, ect. With Twigo and Arthur's buffs to HP, she can survive even if you go second, and that's pretty much what you want. On your turn, you taunt with Arthur and buff with Ban to get health regeneration for Vivian, who also has Tarmiel's grace. You stall until the enemy Ban team eventually gets their ult.. And then Vivian comes in; she seals ults. Opponents get really frustrated when their ult rush doesn't work, so they will try to use their Arthur's taunt to prevent you from sealing Ban's ult again, but that's when Vivian comes into play once again! Her other ability cancels stances, so you cancel their Arthur's stance, then seal Ban's ult again. I stalled like this against a player with a 6/6 Purgatory Ban, and after the fourth turn of him having his ult and not being able to use it he surrendered. It was glorious!
i genuinely dont know how people like usingban, its almost impossible to showcase any units nowadays unless they fit in with ban, and then the onpy counter to ban is glue eater
As a creator it must suck cause you can’t experiment with fun teams cause ban meta is real tough to face. As a casual player/spender I’m cool and chill with what’s going on
I quitted months ago and I have the same sentiments as you :') I can't see any edgame units/teams in this game and the pvp's really not my cup of tea cuz for me, it just makes a game so toxic :') the next thing I knew, I became sooo bored and I uninstalled it :3
Same lol I quit about 2 months ago because there's literally nothing to do, and pvp is garbage in grand cross. I unsubscribed to all grandcross youtuber except for Seatin and saw this video in my recommendation just now.. now im playing another game and it's so much fun, especially the pvp aspect. I always see new unique teams in pvp and pvp is not just who get the lucky card draw, you need some skills to play pvp which is fun. The best part is that R and SR units are still very useful in pvp and pve after 1.5 year of launch (kr ver.)
I think unfortunately you were much too fair to the devs, I quit properly playing months ago because all of the things you mentioned here, cause as a ftp you just could not have fun anymore after playing since launch, which is sad because this was one of the things that got me through quarantine but they have just let the game sit and rot for so many months that there’s no point in spending anymore of my time in it, whatever decision you make and games you play I’ll always support, cause for this game I’m in the same boat, keep up the fantastic work!
You just talked for f2p, and then stated there is no point in spending... As a f2p myself I can speak from personal experience you don't need to spend a dime on this game in order to be successful. Like it or not this is one of the most f2p friendly games out to date, we get so many gems simply from dailies and log ins and in addition some events, you can compete in every mode with little to no problem.
@@therealvoltix I didn’t intend to imply you had to spend, in fact I didn’t say anything like that at all, the only thing I spent and said about spending is I spent my time, the whole video was about how he finds no enjoyment in the same boring year+ old content that isn’t competently challenging or rewarding and is sick of it, just as I am, it doesn’t matter if it’s ftp if it’s not fun, that’s like saying a free sample of a product that is broken is valuable, if the item doesn’t work then why would you want to use the product? It just doesn’t make sense, and after all this time they haven’t made an effort to fix anything the community has complained about for months, hence the negative response from myself and now Seatin, so maybe before you go and try and sound all righteous defending the game watch the video and read the comment you’re talking about, if you’re enjoying the game still that’s fantastic for you but why would I have played the game for over a year as a ftp if I didn’t know it was very ftp friendly? Of course I know that, but again nobody wants to play a boring game, and since that’s what this has become for me I no longer want to play the game, I really just want to support Seatin by watching
@@liammurphy1260 That example isn't really relevant, as the enjoyment of the game is based on personal preference, but I get ya. Yeah nothing wrong with you enjoying it or not, but the way you stated that sentence specifically stating there is no enjoyment as a f2p it made it seem you were implying you had to spend, but mb on that then.
@@therealvoltix He said "no point in spending anymore of my time", spending time =/= spending money. As a player who's been f2p since launch, and quit the game 2 months ago, it's true that this game is quite f2p.. however, the f2p aspect of this game is just a facade. I do not have trouble clearing any of the contents, (except for final boss escanor) this much is true, but the fact of the matter is, there's zero hard content in the game. Final boss Escanor is NOT hard content, fb escanor is a content that depends on luck, and nothing else. A hard content would be like reverse stage season 1, and maybe the training cave when it first started out. It forces you to build and use some of the lower rarity characters and it's a lot of fun. The original 25 floors tower of trials were also a lot of fun too. Anyway back to what I mean by f2p in grandcross being a facade.. this game does give you a lot of currency to summon, but the banners they put out are so trash 80% of the time, like you only have 0.25 rate up, and the filler units are all trash. Even if you're able to summon on that 1 banner, you'll most likely get all the units you will never use, and the only unit that is worth anything is the pity unit. In comparison, I am currently playing Counter Side, and in this game for example, in week 1 they release unit A, and the banner is gone after 2 weeks, in week 3 or week 4 they will include unit A in the new banner so you can actually pull unit A from the new banner. This makes it easy to pull dupes. On top of that, you dont need dupes to upgrade units because you can farm those upgrade materials. In grand cross term, that would be the universal ultimate coin, and we get those so easily. Not only that, in counter side, after 1.5 years, the SR and R, and even some N units are still really useful, unlike grandcross where only SSR units are good after 1 year. So yeah, as you can see, even though grandcross is "kinda f2p" it really isn't, not when they're releasing exclusive festival units back to back to back, especially the collab units where they're useful in some pve stages but literally unaccesible to f2p. They've also only released green gowther like what, 3 times?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Seatin. You're right purgatory ban is stupid overpowered and there's no variety anymore because I see that unit EVERY match
Lol this has been me since the beginning of the year and I started in November. Got so boring so fast with a festival every ten minutes in Global I just eventually stopped caring about the meta I only go for the characters I like
If you don't enjoy the game anymore, you made the right decision, unfortunately that's how netamarble chose to procede with the game, is saying that every festival has to be meta for a couple of months and then gets nerfed, honestly with the one and Ban they crossed the line...Still I love this game, it is the best gatcha and I hope that the pvp will be varied as it was before!
Netmarble are concentrating more on future revolution and future fight last year they lost a big chunk of players from future fight but now nearly everyone came back to that game including me
@@saisriram4262 I'm sorry but I have to disagree on that, those games are not hype anymore, a proof of what I'm saying is the number of views that those games do, just see Seatin's first channel it has like 2 times the subs he has on the Grand Cross one but the views are almost the same...
Also, I do run Ludo-The One-Gowther team, and kick Ban's ass most of the times, but man it's boring. There's no creativity left in PvP anymore. Literally 90% of the characters in the box is unplayable in PvP, as their stats and performance cannot even be compared to overpowered meta units. Kind of sad.
Some things consider to improve: - A pvp mode without festival units could bring a change in meta teams. -Better rewards in pvp elite -Bring back the old tower of trials - Legendary final boss with better rewards and ranking system. - An extra stage in all free stages with a better change for rewards (food, equipment, stones, etc)
Everyone in my guild quit because it’s so repetitive and boring. I’m still really active trying to upgrade my characters to lvl 90 but I notice netmarble changed the drop rates of SSR pendants in fort solgres. Whatever they’re doing, they’re intentions are really making me lose interest in the game.
Totally agree, been around since the start but keep thinking about binning it recently. Almost nothing to do PVE wise end game and everything there is just seems like a grind with little reward. When i started playing i though oh this is cool, i bet when they update there will be new cities with new awakening materials and more missions to get diamonds... nope. One of the things that has always annoyed me is, why is there no "just for fun" PVP? I have to spend something to play more than 5 matches a day... ffs netmarble u get enough money out of us! The game has stopped being fun and just become a daily grind, will be a shame to leave it behind given the effort ive put in but all good things come to an end.
Another thing thats always annoyed me, they only bring out SSR characters. Why? Why did you even make silver and gold? Bring out hidden gems, silvers that if worked at can grow to be amazing. Bring a new gold out once in a while. And why dont you rework some of the old characters once a month that aren't useful for anything any more? That would throw a spanner in the works, a character that everyone will have already that suddenly becomes useful and makes players rethink their setups.
I agree, for the anni units they just crank up everything. IMO Bans even worse than T1 since for him we did have taunt diane if you wanted to be somewhat safe, now its just an ultrush or teamwhipe meta. even AM wasnt as braindead as Ban. Saw this video coming tbh
I used a festival king prime team just a few days ago king goddess Liz, Hendy, and wings Elaine in the back just because king is my favorite character and I had never really had a chance to use him when he first came out. I tried him for the entirety of the last season of pvp and got absolutely smacked facing the same 3 teams over and over and over, nothing new, nothing creative, nothing out of the meta and it was REALLY boring..and that’s super disappointing to know that if you don’t use the meta team you will lose, old characters have ZERO viability and characters that I actually want to use because I like to use them I can’t
If I could quit games without that fuckhead "but think of the time and (little) money you've put in" internal monologue the only game I'd be playing is dokkan. Not because i think it's the best of the 4 I play or anything, but because it's the only one where you can truly go at your own pace without anything else to think about and is a passive style game. There's no fear of being behind or anything.. its how a game should be. Something you can fire up and put down at will and not feel like a chore to "keep up" with absurd metas like ban here or zenkais on legends or fucking 16 copies in mhatsh
I know this is a small fix but one team I have gotten to challenger with is ggowther/ tarmiel/ r eastin/ b gil. But I 100% get the concerns/ boredem you have. I just keep finding new goals and challenges to keep the game fun for myself, like setting up pvp tournments with my mate. I'll keep supporting you and much love
I dont remeber when, but i saw a video of him saying he was burnt out, but yeah this thing happens when you invest over 40k in a game and get everything lol the f2p players get frustrated over balance while p2w saying they got burnt out lol
to be honest after playing lots of gachas as f2p I realised that I make my fun in the game, like for 7ds once I hit champ 5 I just knew that is it and then i play elite for the coins which i used to clean out shop, that is my fun till its no longer fun and i move on.
I use a variation of the unkown team that can easily handle purgatory ban that is super toxic to the point that opponents just quit. Emilia, Goddess Liz, red Gowther with Ram at the back. It’s just absolute control over Ban and Eastin. Rush Gowther’s ult and Emilia’s ult and that’s it. As an F2P, it’s enjoyable to punish people with 6/6 ban Edit: the only way to beat a meta is to create an even more toxic counter meta
The only game that I've seen with good, consistent end game content is dokkan battle. The super battle road let's you experiment with teams in short term battles and the Legendary Goku Events let you do the same but for a longer consistent battle.
Seatin. My guy. You're killin' me here. I get it for sure, because it's been BAN BAN BAN BAN since release. but, I found your channel like 2-3 months ago and since then you've helped increase my gameplay effectiveness like 500%. It'll be rough if you go, but I'll sub main channel anyway. Always, we need a studio update video.
Mentioned this on the video you made about Ragnarok announcement. Ragnarok "hype" banners won't fix the core issue that's been going on with the game past months
Translation: “I’ve found that beating up Thanos in another Marvel game is more fun than trying to beat Purg Ban.” Don’t lie to us man just give us more of that game’s content bro 😂😂
I've been out of the game for months, just following to see what new stuff comes. But considering the only endgame content this game has is PVP, which I don't like in any game really, since they release one meta breaking unit after another it gets really tedious and no longer fun. If you don't get the new unit or upgrade them enough you pretty much get stomped. Then the cycle repeats over and over. I quit when I realized the PVE content was not gonna really evolve or become more entertaining or challenging and everything was gonna focus just on PVP nonstop. Shame for a franchise and game I really enjoyed initially
@@sandersGG I certainly agree RNG in the mechanics certainly took it down a lot but even with that RNG in cards you pulled with some meta units in PVP it didn't even matter as much. It just came down to whoever has the most upgraded version of the newest meta team and that was it. You could get great RNG for cards and still get crushed because you didn't have your team as upgraded as your opponent, or just weren't even using the right units. As time went on it became less about interesting counter plays and fun team comps and more about who has the best version of the latest Festival unit.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s JP or Global, the game is literally going knowhere. They just keep bringing out new characters and expecting people to play the game, I stopped playing a short while ago because it’s just the same cycle on rinse and repeat. They need some major new game modes or free content to get people playing again.
Lolli Merlin, Emilia, g.Liz, and Ram….have more than a 90% record vs ban teams…I believe I’ve lost 3 or 4 times. As for the content….I haven’t gotten the blah feeling yet…but I don’t have 3 accounts to burn myself out in. So I understand. Plus my knighthood is close so we still have a good time talking that helps
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve been running a fully maxed out ban team, and as much as I have been winning, I have actually seen a ton of other teams doing fine, “the one” 6/6 is still a very big threat, and you still have to get lucky using the ban team to beat the Liz Emilia Merlin team, I’m still having trouble with some of the trials and stuff, it’s not super simple being baby dolphin (minimum spending) I have to say that the devs have done will with banners and it’s been fun summoning again, and there r a ton of new content on global rn. I think that you being a whale takes the fun out of games much faster than most, however, I do have to agree that the ban team is op, as one who uses it, the only team I fear is the same team as me, or the Liz Emilia Merlin team, so the balance is kinda broke rn
In terms of working towards PVE content and rewards, I like all the new cosmetics, that’s some great stuff, I’ve spent money, but not an overwhelming amount, and even without paying I was able to get fully through the last few banners bc the content on global is ok, a month ago, I was burned out, the last 2 weeks I’ve had more fun on this game than I’ve had in a while, but we do need a lot of other types of content but that’s what this game is, if it changes, there needs to be something super new
This has opened my eyes as I was very naive thinking it would get better. This game was more fun when I was a cc 100k feeling there was more, equal pvp and what's kept me going is my new guild but I don't know how long I have left in me for this game
I quit shortly after Liz...got her twice but I just felt like the speed of the game and the grind was going to destroy me. Watching the pvp meta since her...I'm happy with my choice. Still lurked your content because I love your personality and enjoy hearing your thoughts. Whatever you do you have my support.
Gunna miss you.. I really enjoy your videos and it’s sad to see you leave. But that being said I hope you find the game that makes you happy!!! And I do really hope you come back, but I do understand 🥰
I’m with you, Seatin. It just becomes overwhelming if you aren’t whaling. As a former whale myself, the power creep just gets to be too much. There’s no variety in PVP, the PvE rewards are way too few, and pull rates aren’t high enough, especially since they’re flooding banners with way too many garbage SSR’s.
Pretty much you want to go back to the last 4 months where everyone just ran glue and LV ult rush before that. There is way more diverse teams today than we have had in months…. Ludo-t1, loli team, fest king ult rush, glue, LV ult rush…. There are plenty of teams that still are good. I have maxed ban team 6/6 and it’s not “unbeatable”.
They need world bosses like summoners war. A raid that can utilize characters with group attack abilities. A raid that utilizes stances. A raid that utilizes healing, like survive for x amount of turns, or damage. They need to buff older units(especially their passives. Ban unita that have been meta starting with green eacanor.
A way to keep pvp fresh would be to make the pvp roster rotate what characters you can use so people have to come up with new original team compositions
Yeahhh I quit the game about 6 months back. Tried to keep up with the game, and nothing has changed, just broken meta units every two weeks. I will miss the hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars I spent on gems/cosmetics, but screw it. Thanks for the fun 7DS, hope for the best. (its still fuck Netmarble and their shit business practice)
They gotta take notes from dokkan especially from EZAs, EZA Areas, f2p characters, Dokkan Battlefield and new character abilities like passive transformations and so on
I've just wasted all the gems, deleted the game once for good and I saw this video lol well tbh not only you, Seatin, we all feel it. In the end game is supposed to be fun, if it's not then it's time to say goodbye. Hope everybody have enough courage to quit even if time and money were heavily invested. Quitting 7DS just makes me mentally feel better.
Honestly if they had a system in ranked pvp where each person could ban certain characters in the game per match it would definitely would make pvp a more fun and exciting mode, that’s just my opinion though.
Honestly, when you have spended an obnoxious amount of money and you have everything, on every character, is obvious that the game is going to boring. Btw, the pvp meta is broken, thats so damm true, I didn't want to play the ban team, but, if i don't, its almost impossible...
You don't need to play Ban. Ban is a luck Based Team. There are counterteams that beat Ban with lesser rng then a Ban Team. I have Fun in PvP without Ban and i like to kill him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... PvP rules could have really changed the game if they applied them more frequently. If they did, they could breathe new life into old characters. For example, if they had a PvP rule that said "characters that use gauntlets deal 100% more damage" or "female characters are immune to debuffs for 2 turns" that could be a way to allow other characters to rotate through so you don't see the same 6 characters in every match. But it's very common nowadays to see mobile video game companies focus on short term revenue than keeping long term clients. They focus on the flashy "come look at our game" and then say "I've drained your wallet, fuck off" to the veterans. It happened in My Hero Acadamia and it's happening here too. A lot of focus on attracting new players without taking care of the ones who are already there.
@@SuckYaMudda No one likes the current PvP that hasn't changed since day 1. The rules allow a bit more flexibility in team building. We need more things like that or else you're just promoting stagnation.
@@ChrisChopcian The game itself *does not* promote flexibility. No f2p has the materials to lvl 90, UR Gear, Cosmetic upgrade, and SA5 every unit under the sun.
@@SuckYaMudda And that's where rules come in, or variants thereof, that would allow other off meta units to be used. As for the requirements to level 90 and such... level 90'ing units is really easy. Very f2p friendly. You don't absolutely need cosmetic upgrades to succeed. You can also easily SA5 units with the bountiful SA coin dungeon farming. For equipment... Well, there are quite a few off-meta units that share the same name as meta units, therefore the equipment you have for the meta units will flex well into those other units and save you having to create new equipment. I know for certain this can be possible for a f2p player because since the game released, I have spent $30 total. It's obvs not completely f2p, but it's pretty damn close. I have no problem levelling up characters, super awakening them, and SA5'ing them. And if I can do it, that means 100% f2p players can as well.
@@ChrisChopcian I never said level 90ing units wasnt easy, the issue is when you have to level 90 *multiple units* . Thats hours and hours of tedious grinding. You *absolutely* need cosmetic upgrades to succeed, especially in ungeared. You lose out on so many stats and cc by not upgrading them. I also didnt mention the fact that you have to even _buy_ cosmetics themselves. You gonna also try and tell me you dont need cosmetics to be high champ in pvp? Gtfoh. Yes we have the SA dungeon for coins, but we also have the anvil dungeon too, which I would argue is more valuable. If we're talking about current rules, every single rule that tries to make shite units relevant always only cater to units that people don't have maxed. For example the R and SR Rule, who has Griamore, or gil, or slater, or lizhawk , or hendy with with proper UR Gear? This also not mentioning the fact that pvp rule system is inherently anti f2p. Why should I have to build up a dogshit unit so I only end up using him for one week? Id rather focus on 1 team and max that team out until it becomes irrelevant, then I can max out and focus on the next relevant team. The fact of the matter is, spreading out your resources is not smart, and the game punishes you for it. Pvp rules just accentuates that fact.
@@DDJas actually since Goddess Liz come out the PVP become absolute boring , since then all you meet is glue eaters and mono red and pierce immediately become trash . Goddess Liz was a mistake and should not exist . that one thing that i hate the most in PVP is Goddess Liz and HER NONSTOP F*CKING STUN AND HIDING BEHIND HER F*CKING SHIELD LIKE A B**CH
I agree, I have literally tried everything I can think of, nothing outside of ludo and the one can beat that team, I have a stacked 4 plus million account where all of my pvp unit have ur gear and max cosmetics, yet I cant do anything against ban
TBH, I've been feeling the same for a long time. The only thing that currently stopping me from just deleting SDS and other gatch games is because I've spent so much time and money (around the time SDS global was released). It's boring, it's not heading anywhere good and it's just not fund anymore. Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling like this. This games had it's ups and downs (mainly downs), but when it's good it's actually fun. Stay safe Seatin!
Going to see how things shape up over the next few months, but 7DS is just poorly balanced and not fun anymore for me, I'll still be chucking out the occasional video looking at new content, but the passion just isn't there anymore and I've got to be honest! - If you want to follow my main channel I'm having a blast playing Marvel Future Revolution at the moment, if not, thanks for watching and supporting me, really appreciate it! - Main Channel Link: ruclips.net/video/lGZZP8TkWew/видео.html
Ahh sucks to hear that man. Regardless, I’ll always be here to support the 🐐, love ur content no matter what game it is. Hopefully the game just balances out and they give us the much needed changes and improvements, Well have to wait and see
Yh I totally agree with the video and I think you're videos are better when you enjoy them so whatever you choose I'll carry on following your channels
Just quit better go back to MHA
@@tristan7dsgc nope
I am very interested by this since 7DS and MFR are both run by Net Marble.
I think there should be a PvP mode that is called “classic mode” or something like that where Festival units are straight up banned. That would be appealing to players like Seatin who want to see PvP variety.
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That would be very cool. No festivals plus it should be a slow release of characters on that mode starting from green Merlin and green ban to the new Oslo and hawk with every character being at max potential (max cosmetics, max ult level, etc.).
indeed. A day 1-unit only rule would be fun
I'd play that. I'd have to sweat to figure out what to use though 😁😁
I think that would be a good idea
Well, everything started with one unit that can heal, reflect, revive, stun and break stances
Don't forget the shield.
@@wanderer2925 Yeah lol
Lol
I still dont have her lol
@@BotLaneTaken Me too, neither I want her :D But the thing is when you drop a unit like that, you need to make some balance with future units and that's how we got this Purgatory Ban meta. Honestly, cant wait to see new Estarossa that will probably be blue
Ragnarok couldn’t save you either, this is so sad. You were my content creator who made this game enjoyable, I hope you find your happiness.
Why would it? It's just a multi story chapter with new units, it offers nothing new other than a few characters in terms of content.
@@alexgamer1556 they really need to bring about proper end game contents with replayability TT i was thinking Ragnarok would bring about a few game mode looks damn was i deluded
@Isaac Faniyan they could incoprate team switching as they did with the Croc Boss or even randomising to a certain degree, adding the option of going beyond elite geared pvp. Especially players who are walled off on their progression where innovation is non-existent. I just hope contents creators dont dump this game to the grounds, theres still a lot of untapped potential in this game hopefully developers explore this aspects( which they do but its too tame)
Saw this coming a mile away, I agree
Totally
I don’t care ima still play
@@yutikoo btw no one ask you
@@Iqbalhawari55 btw I don’t care go do sum with yo life
@@yutikoo lmao good comeback dude
I miss back when green jericho was meta and red gowther wasnt even out tbh... good ole days
and then when red gow dropped everyone was just suffering with the lack of a proper pity system. 900 gems no r gow was all the news lol
Yea I thought ragnarok would do more but it's just story mode and summon getting old still no guild war no coin shop update they could add permanent 4v4 this game is mostly revolved around pvp so unless your hard core pvp there no reason to spend I see nothing changing anytime soon.
I agree 4v4 would drastically change the dynamics of PBan teams, the weakest link being out in the open leave more room for counterplays. Hopefully they release characters that " break " passive in someway soon.
Why would it Lmfaoo
@@hazleygod no ult rush? Twigo is highly prone to getting sniped? Once twigo goes down everything comes crashing down fast? Ideally Ban's counter teams are designed to snipe Arthur or even Ban on turn 1 but on grounds of 4v4 once Twigo goes down, Arthur falls through quickly. Arthur has means to sustain and tank with his taunt. Twigo doesnt have that safety net.
@@sametoU2 I wasn’t talking to you lol, I was referring to his comments on ragnorak
@@hazleygod well you didnt tag any of us, you made a ambiguous statement. Theres no need for you to respond in a condescending manner. It wldnt hurt to be responding a civil manner, agreed? Have a nice day.
The biggest problem with pvp is that they release units that have a decent passive and MIGHT be useful and they just get destroyed by the next or current fest. a new pvp mode with no festival units like the one or ban who are just too powerful for the OC’s and other banner units would be nice
Indeed. The exact case with assault meli teams being crushed to pieces by ban
They dont give a fuck the ppl who invest a lot of diamonds on AM team hahahah
Watch after a couple months people are gonna be complaining on how boring pvp in that mode is….there’s no pleasing the player base. This is common in Gatcha or any multiplayer game in general.
@@kevinchristian5154 oh yes. AM Meli its now destroyed by Ban. The other day i face one against my Ban team. He was 50k CC more than me, and i stil won. its kinda ridiculous tbh.
@password 12 yeah. also when you know the best strategy to beat AM Meli teams is no attack and just
stack... They can't do anything.
Pvp went downhill after it became "who is the new character that one-shots". Never thought i would miss kingbram.
bruh kingbram was toxic af, all you had to do was rush both King's & Helbram's ult & the enemy was dead.
@@JxFTW lol and now u just need to rush bans ultimate and everyone is death 😂
@@TheXxMugenxX true, so nothing much has changed except the meta, though to be fair KingBram was definitely more toxic since they can petrify your whole team if they wanted to just to be toxic
@@JxFTW well the Emilia, goddess Eli teams are the same. Stun or frezze every day 😂
@@TheXxMugenxX oh yeah that's true I forgot about that team
I just log in on Mondays now to get my 50 pvp gems and then get out.
You need to Play PvP 1 Times a Week or you get PvP Season Reset to beginner!
@@Daniel-lq5qq not really, I deleted the game for a month and I was still at master 5
@@thehand2391 i heard that at release of the game i just want to warn you
@@thehand2391 same I have touched pvp in so long and I still get 50
As long as you participate once the game weekly resets, you won't lose your place in pvp.
This is sad to see :( you’ve helped me a lot!
For pvp we just need buffs all across the board for old characters to be on par with newer ones
Could we go back to when Global was wanting Blue Lilia
I miss those days waiting for Mommy Lilia
when dmeli was surprisingly decent even without lillia, and we couldnt wait for lilia to drop to taste the real pierce team. yeah those were the days
True, the gold old days
@@di8085 The game is still amazing for newplayers honestly. Its just, once u reach the endgame, theres not much to aim for really...
Nah can we go back to the old days when ult rush green Escanor team was the best team 😂 those were amazing days
I remember using red demon meli so fun getting those crits.
i remember the green escanor days with multiple lineups that each has its strengths and flaws
Back in the day I pushed to champ 5 with green escanor blue lilia and red howzer lmao the good ol days
Game was at its best when green escanor was the best unit.
Lol no, if u don't have Green Escanor, u get destroyed by any Green Escanor, the best meta was Jericho/Blue King
I loved kingbram Bc liz stomped them it was so fun lol
Imagine if they made a simple ban list each week to shake up the meta.
Haha, get it, Ban list
@@Tramveller I see what you did there.
Yeah that sounds right and cool
That does sound nice till you remember not everyone has the resources to enhance every usable unit, chances are most are focusing on the current meta team because its efficient.
That would really work, but only half of the banned characters are banned in regular pvp because most normal pvp players can’t afford to upgrade new units for a weeks forth of banning
Yeah, I agree. They need to start making some major changes around here.
Oh hi Bean sama
What keeps me in the game is doing fun things with my guild, and I also like the feeling of endless progression to some extent in relation to gear and building up my box, but for someone like yourself who has nothing really to build up, or for people who don't like the grind I can totally understand why they'd feel that way because there's just not much for them to do.
whales get burned out much faster considering they dont have things to look forward too. like us we have fun getting units we dont have, and building up more gear sets. They already have all that.
@@jasonr6954 it's hard getting units you don't have when banner filler units are so trash in grandcross banner and they put the good units in banners of a character that nobody wants.
I'm mostly out too, just logging in to get daily rewards in case things improve and moving on to other games.
My favorite team was Blue Melascula, Green Mini Diane, and Halloween Gowther with Green Gil on the back. Stat stacking Mela all day, worked in every meta, but this one finally killed it.
The only thing keeping me from quitting the game is my guild, but even that’s starting to turn out to be a chore.. I really hope they do MORE.
:O, Yeah xd They havent done anything in pvp since launch (2 years) I think the game right now is a collect character game and thats it.
Facts. It does feel like a collector game. I literally spend most of my time looking at my characters rather than playing them lol
@@kevinlord9288 ance
@@jaden3997 you guys think this is bad? Least grand cross has diversity. Shit like dokkan and fate grand order is so boring with nothing but story and meaningless pve content once you reached end game…..so the cycle of complaining about more content in Gatcha will always continue l.
@@davidt6814 huh? I don’t play fate but dokkan has a ton of variety. Some good some bad but grand cross has PVP and that’s really it. And PVP in a gotcha just never works. They all fall to the same problem
You need to summon
Dokkan right now is in a great place
I totally agree. There's not much content to strive for, just new characters coming out and players summoning on banners to add characters to the barbie doll collection
Whatever you choose we all support you man, you've brought so much more joy then we deserve with this game, we appreciate all you do🙏
I have been using a team of Sariel, Tarmiel, and Goddess Liz with green Gil in the back to deal with these Ban teams, Using Tarmiel and Liz to stall while building up ults.
Agree on all the line, the only thing that holds me are the money spent
Good thing I spent no money
Think about it. If you don’t enjoy the game, it’s better to drop it and move on then spend even more money.
when holy war estarrosa comes...
Seatin: allright lads 3000 Diamonds summons
I’m glad someone big is speaking exactly what I’ve been saying for months. I don’t plan on fully quitting, I love the game so much but PvP is SO ANNOYING and PvE feels super dry most of the time.
I usually just log in, do daily’s, build my units as much as I can for the day, and then log off to do literally anything else
I’m hoping the content takes a turn for the better because I’m tired of the only content is spending money on OP Banners ://
After Seeing Seatin's tweet about his frustration in handling both channels I already new a video like this would come. You should rest once in a while my guy, we be waiting
•knew
@@bobeardington4044 oh my bad lol
Devs be like: oh we made a character that is too op and nothing can’t compare? Lmao lets just make another stupidly op character what else can we do?
I still feel like the rewards structure in game is good, it's just that it's turned into a pvp game and when pvp becomes stale it's understandable that people get bored and want to quit . Hopefully the devs listen and understand that we actually want challenging pve content (doesnt have to be fb escanor level) and not just bosses to quickly grind mats , exchange them and put into characters then go back into pvp. Pvp is not everyone's cup of tea .
And even when it’s your cup of tea, they cut away so far 8 months of PvP rewards for the sake a rushing banners.
What were they thinking ?
"I really liked the Kingbram meta man." - *Flashbacks to him wearing a full anti-toxicity costume for that 1 video.
I had a 6/6 helbrem I loved kingbram
This is the only moment to wish, never comes back, I was out raging, every round stoned and ulti refresh... Never again, pls xD
I can understand your burning up in this game. I need to spend at least three hours everyday on Grand Cross in order to remain remotely competitive in Pvp as a F2p. Need to constantly farm new gear/anvils/mats every month for the new broken festival unit that destroy the previous one. Really hope that will be something to reduce the burden on us players.
they should have weekly buffed characters
It’s not what’s gonna save the game
Agreed, I’ve always wanted them to buff red escanor and festival king since they’re my fav characters
@@micromania6170 It wont save the game but then at least, they can make the 99% of completely useless units useable in some way, its a step in the right direction since they love to increase the power creep in this game
We need a new pvp rule where we can use the same character in a team like triple meli, triple escanor etc
@@snipershot6014 it would be 🔥 imagine running triple Gowther and shut down ur opponents entire deck 1st turn
I feel like the introduction of festival units really messed up pvp, either you get a festival and do something boring or not get them and get absolutely destroyed in pvp
I think Bellmoth did a good job at eliminating a lot of the meta characters and made us use characters that aren’t typically used often. I’d personally like to see more bosses similar to Bellmoth appear on PVE to give a lot of the older niche characters some play.
the nightmare difficulty story is really a good idea, i would like to be struggling again fighting demon hendrickson lol.
I quited 1 year ago, constant META change every few weeks pissed me off Me and My Wallet ....
Same Seatin. I basically quit after all the festivals back to back. To me wasn't even fun anymore levelling up and upgrading units. Started to feel like a job.
Pvp I couldn't even compete anymore cause I wasn't able to level up units. I'm still playing every now and then but I even go whole weeks without opening the app.
It's been a fun ride (especially during the beginning.) but now is not fun anymore. I feel you Seatin and I totally don't blame you
Purgatory Ban is OP like he should be in the manga. When The One Escanor came out it was the same and noone said anything. But yeah, when it comes to PvP there is low variability and that makes it sometimes boring... To me it's not boring at the moment because Ban is my favourite character and i enjoy playing with him
The thing is Escanor had high damage and ok health. Ban has insane damage and insane health.
Seatin, I've been running Purgatory Ban team, but hear me out.. Mine has a twist.
I use the standard Purgatory Ban, Excalibur Arthur, and Twigo backline.. But my fourth unit is what changes everything; Vivian! I made her level 90 5 star super awakened, fully upgraded all her cosmetics, ect. With Twigo and Arthur's buffs to HP, she can survive even if you go second, and that's pretty much what you want. On your turn, you taunt with Arthur and buff with Ban to get health regeneration for Vivian, who also has Tarmiel's grace. You stall until the enemy Ban team eventually gets their ult.. And then Vivian comes in; she seals ults. Opponents get really frustrated when their ult rush doesn't work, so they will try to use their Arthur's taunt to prevent you from sealing Ban's ult again, but that's when Vivian comes into play once again! Her other ability cancels stances, so you cancel their Arthur's stance, then seal Ban's ult again. I stalled like this against a player with a 6/6 Purgatory Ban, and after the fourth turn of him having his ult and not being able to use it he surrendered. It was glorious!
Ya fr pvp is pissing me off, one swipe from ban and my team is half dead…
I knew this was gonna happen when I saw him more depressed even with remotely good updates and him not posting as much about 7DS😥
i genuinely dont know how people like usingban, its almost impossible to showcase any units nowadays unless they fit in with ban, and then the onpy counter to ban is glue eater
As a creator it must suck cause you can’t experiment with fun teams cause ban meta is real tough to face. As a casual player/spender I’m cool and chill with what’s going on
I quitted months ago and I have the same sentiments as you :') I can't see any edgame units/teams in this game and the pvp's really not my cup of tea cuz for me, it just makes a game so toxic :') the next thing I knew, I became sooo bored and I uninstalled it :3
Same lol I quit about 2 months ago because there's literally nothing to do, and pvp is garbage in grand cross. I unsubscribed to all grandcross youtuber except for Seatin and saw this video in my recommendation just now..
now im playing another game and it's so much fun, especially the pvp aspect. I always see new unique teams in pvp and pvp is not just who get the lucky card draw, you need some skills to play pvp which is fun. The best part is that R and SR units are still very useful in pvp and pve after 1.5 year of launch (kr ver.)
Fuck! You are the best content creator of Grand Cross. If you really quit the game, thanks for everything. From the Hispanic community.
I think unfortunately you were much too fair to the devs, I quit properly playing months ago because all of the things you mentioned here, cause as a ftp you just could not have fun anymore after playing since launch, which is sad because this was one of the things that got me through quarantine but they have just let the game sit and rot for so many months that there’s no point in spending anymore of my time in it, whatever decision you make and games you play I’ll always support, cause for this game I’m in the same boat, keep up the fantastic work!
You just talked for f2p, and then stated there is no point in spending... As a f2p myself I can speak from personal experience you don't need to spend a dime on this game in order to be successful. Like it or not this is one of the most f2p friendly games out to date, we get so many gems simply from dailies and log ins and in addition some events, you can compete in every mode with little to no problem.
@@therealvoltix I didn’t intend to imply you had to spend, in fact I didn’t say anything like that at all, the only thing I spent and said about spending is I spent my time, the whole video was about how he finds no enjoyment in the same boring year+ old content that isn’t competently challenging or rewarding and is sick of it, just as I am, it doesn’t matter if it’s ftp if it’s not fun, that’s like saying a free sample of a product that is broken is valuable, if the item doesn’t work then why would you want to use the product? It just doesn’t make sense, and after all this time they haven’t made an effort to fix anything the community has complained about for months, hence the negative response from myself and now Seatin, so maybe before you go and try and sound all righteous defending the game watch the video and read the comment you’re talking about, if you’re enjoying the game still that’s fantastic for you but why would I have played the game for over a year as a ftp if I didn’t know it was very ftp friendly? Of course I know that, but again nobody wants to play a boring game, and since that’s what this has become for me I no longer want to play the game, I really just want to support Seatin by watching
@@liammurphy1260 That example isn't really relevant, as the enjoyment of the game is based on personal preference, but I get ya. Yeah nothing wrong with you enjoying it or not, but the way you stated that sentence specifically stating there is no enjoyment as a f2p it made it seem you were implying you had to spend, but mb on that then.
@@therealvoltix He said "no point in spending anymore of my time", spending time =/= spending money.
As a player who's been f2p since launch, and quit the game 2 months ago, it's true that this game is quite f2p.. however, the f2p aspect of this game is just a facade. I do not have trouble clearing any of the contents, (except for final boss escanor) this much is true, but the fact of the matter is, there's zero hard content in the game. Final boss Escanor is NOT hard content, fb escanor is a content that depends on luck, and nothing else.
A hard content would be like reverse stage season 1, and maybe the training cave when it first started out. It forces you to build and use some of the lower rarity characters and it's a lot of fun. The original 25 floors tower of trials were also a lot of fun too.
Anyway back to what I mean by f2p in grandcross being a facade.. this game does give you a lot of currency to summon, but the banners they put out are so trash 80% of the time, like you only have 0.25 rate up, and the filler units are all trash. Even if you're able to summon on that 1 banner, you'll most likely get all the units you will never use, and the only unit that is worth anything is the pity unit.
In comparison, I am currently playing Counter Side, and in this game for example, in week 1 they release unit A, and the banner is gone after 2 weeks, in week 3 or week 4 they will include unit A in the new banner so you can actually pull unit A from the new banner. This makes it easy to pull dupes. On top of that, you dont need dupes to upgrade units because you can farm those upgrade materials. In grand cross term, that would be the universal ultimate coin, and we get those so easily. Not only that, in counter side, after 1.5 years, the SR and R, and even some N units are still really useful, unlike grandcross where only SSR units are good after 1 year.
So yeah, as you can see, even though grandcross is "kinda f2p" it really isn't, not when they're releasing exclusive festival units back to back to back, especially the collab units where they're useful in some pve stages but literally unaccesible to f2p. They've also only released green gowther like what, 3 times?
Thank you for sharing your thoughts Seatin. You're right purgatory ban is stupid overpowered and there's no variety anymore because I see that unit EVERY match
Started playing in January, and at this point I only play to collect characters.
Lol this has been me since the beginning of the year and I started in November. Got so boring so fast with a festival every ten minutes in Global I just eventually stopped caring about the meta I only go for the characters I like
Yea i just play to collect characters that look cool to me lol
Unfortunately ban and the one is cool for me so i pulled them
Me too😭😂😂
If you don't enjoy the game anymore, you made the right decision, unfortunately that's how netamarble chose to procede with the game, is saying that every festival has to be meta for a couple of months and then gets nerfed, honestly with the one and Ban they crossed the line...Still I love this game, it is the best gatcha and I hope that the pvp will be varied as it was before!
Netmarble are concentrating more on future revolution and future fight last year they lost a big chunk of players from future fight but now nearly everyone came back to that game including me
@@saisriram4262 I'm sorry but I have to disagree on that, those games are not hype anymore, a proof of what I'm saying is the number of views that those games do, just see Seatin's first channel it has like 2 times the subs he has on the Grand Cross one but the views are almost the same...
@@saisriram4262 idk just me but even with good updates, mff just feel so boring to me compared to 2,3 yrs ago
Also, I do run Ludo-The One-Gowther team, and kick Ban's ass most of the times, but man it's boring. There's no creativity left in PvP anymore. Literally 90% of the characters in the box is unplayable in PvP, as their stats and performance cannot even be compared to overpowered meta units. Kind of sad.
Some things consider to improve:
- A pvp mode without festival units could bring a change in meta teams.
-Better rewards in pvp elite
-Bring back the old tower of trials
- Legendary final boss with better rewards and ranking system.
- An extra stage in all free stages with a better change for rewards (food, equipment, stones, etc)
So true man!
Also, an improvement to the training groto
Everyone in my guild quit because it’s so repetitive and boring. I’m still really active trying to upgrade my characters to lvl 90 but I notice netmarble changed the drop rates of SSR pendants in fort solgres. Whatever they’re doing, they’re intentions are really making me lose interest in the game.
Totally agree, been around since the start but keep thinking about binning it recently.
Almost nothing to do PVE wise end game and everything there is just seems like a grind with little reward. When i started playing i though oh this is cool, i bet when they update there will be new cities with new awakening materials and more missions to get diamonds... nope.
One of the things that has always annoyed me is, why is there no "just for fun" PVP? I have to spend something to play more than 5 matches a day... ffs netmarble u get enough money out of us!
The game has stopped being fun and just become a daily grind, will be a shame to leave it behind given the effort ive put in but all good things come to an end.
Another thing thats always annoyed me, they only bring out SSR characters. Why? Why did you even make silver and gold?
Bring out hidden gems, silvers that if worked at can grow to be amazing. Bring a new gold out once in a while. And why dont you rework some of the old characters once a month that aren't useful for anything any more? That would throw a spanner in the works, a character that everyone will have already that suddenly becomes useful and makes players rethink their setups.
I agree, for the anni units they just crank up everything. IMO Bans even worse than T1 since for him we did have taunt diane if you wanted to be somewhat safe, now its just an ultrush or teamwhipe meta. even AM wasnt as braindead as Ban. Saw this video coming tbh
I used a festival king prime team just a few days ago king goddess Liz, Hendy, and wings Elaine in the back just because king is my favorite character and I had never really had a chance to use him when he first came out. I tried him for the entirety of the last season of pvp and got absolutely smacked facing the same 3 teams over and over and over, nothing new, nothing creative, nothing out of the meta and it was REALLY boring..and that’s super disappointing to know that if you don’t use the meta team you will lose, old characters have ZERO viability and characters that I actually want to use because I like to use them I can’t
I quit for the same exact reasons. Why am I going to kill myself to 300k cc when there is nothing in game that will challenge me pve wise.
THIS. What's the point of wasting money just for the sake of PvP
@@zero3644 especially because the rewards are pretty bad as well
If I could quit games without that fuckhead "but think of the time and (little) money you've put in" internal monologue the only game I'd be playing is dokkan. Not because i think it's the best of the 4 I play or anything, but because it's the only one where you can truly go at your own pace without anything else to think about and is a passive style game. There's no fear of being behind or anything.. its how a game should be. Something you can fire up and put down at will and not feel like a chore to "keep up" with absurd metas like ban here or zenkais on legends or fucking 16 copies in mhatsh
@@BasementBubbatunde yeah gacha games with no PvP>>>>>>>>
Indeed. Im over 300k cc in pvp and still dont see the point of playing it. it doesnt feel rewarding at all
I know this is a small fix but one team I have gotten to challenger with is ggowther/ tarmiel/ r eastin/ b gil. But I 100% get the concerns/ boredem you have. I just keep finding new goals and challenges to keep the game fun for myself, like setting up pvp tournments with my mate. I'll keep supporting you and much love
I dont remeber when, but i saw a video of him saying he was burnt out, but yeah this thing happens when you invest over 40k in a game and get everything lol the f2p players get frustrated over balance while p2w saying they got burnt out lol
to be honest after playing lots of gachas as f2p I realised that I make my fun in the game, like for 7ds once I hit champ 5 I just knew that is it and then i play elite for the coins which i used to clean out shop, that is my fun till its no longer fun and i move on.
Dumb take. I’m f2p and I’m also burned out. You get burned out when you play a game a lot and the game does nothing to improve. That’s pretty normal
i was f2p before i quit and i was burned out too.
Make sense what fun is there when u are guaranteed everything you want
I use a variation of the unkown team that can easily handle purgatory ban that is super toxic to the point that opponents just quit.
Emilia, Goddess Liz, red Gowther with Ram at the back. It’s just absolute control over Ban and Eastin. Rush Gowther’s ult and Emilia’s ult and that’s it.
As an F2P, it’s enjoyable to punish people with 6/6 ban
Edit: the only way to beat a meta is to create an even more toxic counter meta
The only game that I've seen with good, consistent end game content is dokkan battle. The super battle road let's you experiment with teams in short term battles and the Legendary Goku Events let you do the same but for a longer consistent battle.
You and me both seatin. It’s was fun while it lasted! Thanks for all the great content!
Seatin says, "Ladies and gentlemen..." and I automatically hear his "Fuck this game, I'm done" from when he quit MSF. :)
Seatin. My guy. You're killin' me here. I get it for sure, because it's been BAN BAN BAN BAN since release. but, I found your channel like 2-3 months ago and since then you've helped increase my gameplay effectiveness like 500%. It'll be rough if you go, but I'll sub main channel anyway. Always, we need a studio update video.
Just quit today. I feel this
Mentioned this on the video you made about Ragnarok announcement. Ragnarok "hype" banners won't fix the core issue that's been going on with the game past months
Translation: “I’ve found that beating up Thanos in another Marvel game is more fun than trying to beat Purg Ban.” Don’t lie to us man just give us more of that game’s content bro 😂😂
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I've been out of the game for months, just following to see what new stuff comes. But considering the only endgame content this game has is PVP, which I don't like in any game really, since they release one meta breaking unit after another it gets really tedious and no longer fun. If you don't get the new unit or upgrade them enough you pretty much get stomped. Then the cycle repeats over and over. I quit when I realized the PVE content was not gonna really evolve or become more entertaining or challenging and everything was gonna focus just on PVP nonstop. Shame for a franchise and game I really enjoyed initially
everything has rng in it’s mechanics main reason I hate grand cross
@@sandersGG I certainly agree RNG in the mechanics certainly took it down a lot but even with that RNG in cards you pulled with some meta units in PVP it didn't even matter as much. It just came down to whoever has the most upgraded version of the newest meta team and that was it. You could get great RNG for cards and still get crushed because you didn't have your team as upgraded as your opponent, or just weren't even using the right units. As time went on it became less about interesting counter plays and fun team comps and more about who has the best version of the latest Festival unit.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s JP or Global, the game is literally going knowhere. They just keep bringing out new characters and expecting people to play the game, I stopped playing a short while ago because it’s just the same cycle on rinse and repeat. They need some major new game modes or free content to get people playing again.
Lolli Merlin, Emilia, g.Liz, and Ram….have more than a 90% record vs ban teams…I believe I’ve lost 3 or 4 times.
As for the content….I haven’t gotten the blah feeling yet…but I don’t have 3 accounts to burn myself out in. So I understand. Plus my knighthood is close so we still have a good time talking that helps
I don’t necessarily disagree, but I’ve been running a fully maxed out ban team, and as much as I have been winning, I have actually seen a ton of other teams doing fine, “the one” 6/6 is still a very big threat, and you still have to get lucky using the ban team to beat the Liz Emilia Merlin team, I’m still having trouble with some of the trials and stuff, it’s not super simple being baby dolphin (minimum spending) I have to say that the devs have done will with banners and it’s been fun summoning again, and there r a ton of new content on global rn. I think that you being a whale takes the fun out of games much faster than most, however, I do have to agree that the ban team is op, as one who uses it, the only team I fear is the same team as me, or the Liz Emilia Merlin team, so the balance is kinda broke rn
In terms of working towards PVE content and rewards, I like all the new cosmetics, that’s some great stuff, I’ve spent money, but not an overwhelming amount, and even without paying I was able to get fully through the last few banners bc the content on global is ok, a month ago, I was burned out, the last 2 weeks I’ve had more fun on this game than I’ve had in a while, but we do need a lot of other types of content but that’s what this game is, if it changes, there needs to be something super new
That's why I'm glad that I'm f2p I force myself to play the game
I'm almost 1.3 year on the game and still enjoy playing it
Just ignore pvp altogether, never really played pvp since game release, still no changes there
If you ignore pvp, then even the PvE is horrible. They just repeat the same shit and nothing is even challenging
This has opened my eyes as I was very naive thinking it would get better. This game was more fun when I was a cc 100k feeling there was more, equal pvp and what's kept me going is my new guild but I don't know how long I have left in me for this game
I fuckingggggg 100% agree. I been top 100 every season and I could be top 100 moving forward but this Ban meta is so boring.
I have 6/6 Ban btw.
I'm really sad to hear that, I always enjoyed your videos and your guides really helped me to complete some trials, I hope you don't leave us
the fact that you made it this far is pretty impressive
Ban team, The one team....destroyed the PvP meta, feel useless when we upgrade a lot of heroes but don't use it, and only for Boss battles/Story mode
I quit shortly after Liz...got her twice but I just felt like the speed of the game and the grind was going to destroy me. Watching the pvp meta since her...I'm happy with my choice. Still lurked your content because I love your personality and enjoy hearing your thoughts. Whatever you do you have my support.
Sad to hear this and hopefully you'll stay, but I totally agree. Galland in pvp used to be so fun
Gunna miss you.. I really enjoy your videos and it’s sad to see you leave. But that being said I hope you find the game that makes you happy!!! And I do really hope you come back, but I do understand 🥰
it’s sad to hear this after watching your old 7ds videos
I’m with you, Seatin. It just becomes overwhelming if you aren’t whaling. As a former whale myself, the power creep just gets to be too much. There’s no variety in PVP, the PvE rewards are way too few, and pull rates aren’t high enough, especially since they’re flooding banners with way too many garbage SSR’s.
Pretty much you want to go back to the last 4 months where everyone just ran glue and LV ult rush before that. There is way more diverse teams today than we have had in months…. Ludo-t1, loli team, fest king ult rush, glue, LV ult rush…. There are plenty of teams that still are good. I have maxed ban team 6/6 and it’s not “unbeatable”.
They need world bosses like summoners war.
A raid that can utilize characters with group attack abilities.
A raid that utilizes stances.
A raid that utilizes healing, like survive for x amount of turns, or damage.
They need to buff older units(especially their passives.
Ban unita that have been meta starting with green eacanor.
just to clarify, i played 7ds for almost a year and finished the game. still got a bunch of challenges awaiting in mcoc after 3 years of playing!
A way to keep pvp fresh would be to make the pvp roster rotate what characters you can use so people have to come up with new original team compositions
Yeahhh I quit the game about 6 months back. Tried to keep up with the game, and nothing has changed, just broken meta units every two weeks. I will miss the hundreds (maybe thousands) of dollars I spent on gems/cosmetics, but screw it. Thanks for the fun 7DS, hope for the best. (its still fuck Netmarble and their shit business practice)
They gotta take notes from dokkan especially from EZAs, EZA Areas, f2p characters, Dokkan Battlefield and new character abilities like passive transformations and so on
I've just wasted all the gems, deleted the game once for good and I saw this video lol well tbh not only you, Seatin, we all feel it. In the end game is supposed to be fun, if it's not then it's time to say goodbye. Hope everybody have enough courage to quit even if time and money were heavily invested. Quitting 7DS just makes me mentally feel better.
Honestly if they had a system in ranked pvp where each person could ban certain characters in the game per match it would definitely would make pvp a more fun and exciting mode, that’s just my opinion though.
Honestly, when you have spended an obnoxious amount of money and you have everything, on every character, is obvious that the game is going to boring.
Btw, the pvp meta is broken, thats so damm true, I didn't want to play the ban team, but, if i don't, its almost impossible...
You don't need to play Ban. Ban is a luck Based Team. There are counterteams that beat Ban with lesser rng then a Ban Team. I have Fun in PvP without Ban and i like to kill him.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... PvP rules could have really changed the game if they applied them more frequently. If they did, they could breathe new life into old characters. For example, if they had a PvP rule that said "characters that use gauntlets deal 100% more damage" or "female characters are immune to debuffs for 2 turns" that could be a way to allow other characters to rotate through so you don't see the same 6 characters in every match.
But it's very common nowadays to see mobile video game companies focus on short term revenue than keeping long term clients. They focus on the flashy "come look at our game" and then say "I've drained your wallet, fuck off" to the veterans. It happened in My Hero Acadamia and it's happening here too. A lot of focus on attracting new players without taking care of the ones who are already there.
Literally no one likes pvp rules, we need less, not more of them
@@SuckYaMudda No one likes the current PvP that hasn't changed since day 1. The rules allow a bit more flexibility in team building. We need more things like that or else you're just promoting stagnation.
@@ChrisChopcian The game itself *does not* promote flexibility. No f2p has the materials to lvl 90, UR Gear, Cosmetic upgrade, and SA5 every unit under the sun.
@@SuckYaMudda And that's where rules come in, or variants thereof, that would allow other off meta units to be used. As for the requirements to level 90 and such... level 90'ing units is really easy. Very f2p friendly. You don't absolutely need cosmetic upgrades to succeed. You can also easily SA5 units with the bountiful SA coin dungeon farming. For equipment... Well, there are quite a few off-meta units that share the same name as meta units, therefore the equipment you have for the meta units will flex well into those other units and save you having to create new equipment. I know for certain this can be possible for a f2p player because since the game released, I have spent $30 total. It's obvs not completely f2p, but it's pretty damn close. I have no problem levelling up characters, super awakening them, and SA5'ing them. And if I can do it, that means 100% f2p players can as well.
@@ChrisChopcian I never said level 90ing units wasnt easy, the issue is when you have to level 90 *multiple units* . Thats hours and hours of tedious grinding.
You *absolutely* need cosmetic upgrades to succeed, especially in ungeared. You lose out on so many stats and cc by not upgrading them. I also didnt mention the fact that you have to even _buy_ cosmetics themselves. You gonna also try and tell me you dont need cosmetics to be high champ in pvp? Gtfoh.
Yes we have the SA dungeon for coins, but we also have the anvil dungeon too, which I would argue is more valuable.
If we're talking about current rules, every single rule that tries to make shite units relevant always only cater to units that people don't have maxed. For example the R and SR Rule, who has Griamore, or gil, or slater, or lizhawk , or hendy with with proper UR Gear?
This also not mentioning the fact that pvp rule system is inherently anti f2p. Why should I have to build up a dogshit unit so I only end up using him for one week? Id rather focus on 1 team and max that team out until it becomes irrelevant, then I can max out and focus on the next relevant team. The fact of the matter is, spreading out your resources is not smart, and the game punishes you for it. Pvp rules just accentuates that fact.
I’ve barely felt that there’s been any interesting teams for months
since escanor
Am meli and re:zero are fun (with ram not the toxic emilia). Well, am meli got bullied off the meta but I still use him
@@jaden3997 can u use them against ban?
if the answer is no then game is broken lol
@@DDJas actually since Goddess Liz come out the PVP become absolute boring , since then all you meet is glue eaters and mono red and pierce immediately become trash . Goddess Liz was a mistake and should not exist . that one thing that i hate the most in PVP is Goddess Liz and HER NONSTOP F*CKING STUN AND HIDING BEHIND HER F*CKING SHIELD LIKE A B**CH
@@DDJas I used emilia godess liz and 11 all 6/6 dp in back came close but the answer is no
Was hoping for a good update today...
Now im waiting for Hawk to kill some random minigame monster which takes ages...
Great fun Netmarble 👍
I agree, I have literally tried everything I can think of, nothing outside of ludo and the one can beat that team, I have a stacked 4 plus million account where all of my pvp unit have ur gear and max cosmetics, yet I cant do anything against ban
If you're quitting can I atleast get the account👀
Protato#0001 if you consider
@@NewChannelSwitch haha sadly no, ive invested too much into this game to just give up. plus I am waiting for undira derriere and mospeet
@@vikiviki408 Sad : (
Well if you want to give away you know your guy👍
TBH, I've been feeling the same for a long time. The only thing that currently stopping me from just deleting SDS and other gatch games is because I've spent so much time and money (around the time SDS global was released). It's boring, it's not heading anywhere good and it's just not fund anymore. Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling like this. This games had it's ups and downs (mainly downs), but when it's good it's actually fun. Stay safe Seatin!
It’s a shame bc there are tons of us, like me, who spent money on this game.
i feel you bro, ive spent maybe 3k total... but if seatin, who spent 50k says its shit and he wants to quit, then you know something is up
@@MrBossManDuke exactly
@@jarvisdrew6612 the only reason I don't quit is cause I love the people in my guild
@@MrBossManDuke my guild is dead. It used to be so lively but now there’s rarely anyone
@@jarvisdrew6612 we made a discord so maybe I can still stay in it
Maybe they should release "Purgartory" mode where you just fight insanely hard enemies with 300+k base cc
Or a demon king raid
So many ideas but netmarble will take a year to implement them
Don't worry Seatin I'm in the same situation the only content is GuildWars that keeps me in the game
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Didn't think you would be here lmao
Emilia deals with purgatory ban in ungeared most of the time for me. Just forced to use toxic teams to counter him :(.