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Larrivee is where it’s at. Much more hand made, higher quality woods, better sound, better price.
A lot of love to Larrivee guitars! ❤
Gotta check them out!
Taylor is the OG robotic guitar maker. Their guitars have never been "hand made"
Jacob, honestly speaking hear, I don’t know what you’re thought process is, but first you’re broke, and second you’ve never owned 2 or 3 Martin models of any type. I wish you would actually watch your video a couple times and realize by saying using a caption like, ‘ I’ll never buy another Martin again based on the reason you gave is funny as hell. I have music buddies that absolutely love them. I owned a Taylor 7 series and a Larrivee about 5 years ago. I have since sold both because once I played the Martin OOO-18, I had to have it. You know how people say Martin has a certain sound, well it’s true. I’ve played my friends Gibson J-50 which he loves and it sounds very good, but sonically the Martin equivalent is better tone wise. I’m not a Dreadnaught guy so I gravitate towards oo and ooo size. Jacob, do more homework and you’ll realize Martin and other manufacturers are putting out some of the best guitars ever. You’re the type of guy that needs a better education on acoustic guitars. Guitars are purely subjective according to your preference but your inconsequential reason made no sense. My opinion! Wish I lived close, I’d let you play mine.
I just bought a Standard Martin D18, when I unboxed, immediately noticed some quality control issues, particularly scratches on a part of the fretboard from machining, and a HORRIBLE fret job (you could actually see the file marks on the frets and it failed the sock test miserably). Posted on reddit to see if I was overreacting and was accused of not providing enough evidence of my "aggressive and outlandish claims", and for starting a conspiracy and smear campaign against Martin lol. Freakin WILD man! I have another D18 being shipped to me tomorrow, but I am worried...
Very nice video. I really understand where you're coming from, but to be honest, I don't really think there's a lot of bad guitars out there from all the long-established brands. Get what feels (and of course, sounds) right and don't get caught up too much with how it's made. That said, I'm one of those cosmically weird ducks who owns two Ovations, one that's about to turn 50. I love the sound, find it unique, and the story behind the development of the guitar is also quite unique. So in your case, I'd try as many guitars as you can until you find the one that you KNOW is the one for you. Try every brand. Listen and find the perfect action. Then buy it. I review cars, and I always recommend taking your time and trying everything you can get your mitts on. It may just be a Martin again for you, but it just might be something else. Good luck!
WARNING: RANT COMING!! The fetishizing of Martin is astounding to me. Although I suppose I'm guilty myself. My last Martin was a D18GE that I bought about a year old. It was mint, except for whisker cracks on all four corners of the bridge, crooked tuners, and finish issues. I sold it. I thought ok, I'll buy one from their custom shop. Surely they'll put more care into the build. My current custom D28 Italian Alpine/Madrose needed a brace reglued within the first 18 months (glue starved according to the luthier that fixed it), it developed a huge hump behind the bridge meaning I can only use extra light strings, and the binding has lifted off at the waist on 3 sides taking the finish with it - all within the first 18 months. Calling around to local luthiers, they're telling me they fix this binding issue almost every week on high end Martins. I live in a very large N. American city, and the city's premier and oldest Martin dealer (once he realized he wouldn't hurt my feelings) told me Martin has been getting away with murder for years now. I was in Long & McQuade, and noticed a D18 with a crooked neck. I mean, the back seam was visibly misaligned with the centreline of the neck (I'm not sure how this is even possible). I showed the owner and he agreed it was a problem. Again I asked, WTF? He just shook his head and said, "you have no idea the shit that comes out of that factory sometimes." I could go on with more examples related to me by my luthier who is a factory-trained Martin repair tech. If you ask an actual luthier, they all seem to say the same thing. There are undoubtedly many, many good ones, but build quality issues remain a huge problem with the brand. It's just that the average owner doesn't necessarily know it unless it's something that actually requires repair. I understand that my experience is probably an anomaly. But my question is this, for about the same price, what is a good alternative if you want the Martin sound, but don't want to risk encountering all the build quality issues?
I tryed to like Martins. After going through five high end models I switched to Taylor. Found out I disliked that brand even more. I now collect only Gibson and Im a happy camper
Hi, I visited the factory myself and I must say I didn't see any robots aside from the plek machine. Its true that every person working there has a specific job, but I only saw woodworkers, The only thing that is machined imo is the top that is cut by a cnc laser. I was very impressed. Sorry to hear your experience was somewhat different, but stay away from Taylor's please. Cheers from Belgium.
I know some people will freak out at my comment ? Quick little background first, been playing since 1966 and I've owned Gibson, Guild, Gretsch, Epiphone, ibanez, Rickenbacker, Fender and several other names. I quite frankly feel that Martin is somewhat overrated. My older brother Don, who was a guitar instructor and got to know and became pretty good friends with James Burton. I rushed over to my brother's apartment during the week James was playing for John Denver.
My brother owned a 00
size Martin, but the strings were about 3/16 of an inch off the neck at about the 12th frets.
Very difficult to play, no adjustable truss rod and didn't even sound that great. I brought over my 65' Gibson LG 1 and James picked it up and immediately begin to play some fantastic licks for several minutes . He then looked me straight in the eye and said: " do you want to sell this guitar"? I thought to myself, if James Burton wants to buy this guitar I think I better keep it.
Great video and good editing.
I hear great things about Martins, and will probably buy one in the near future (possibly the OM John Mayer model). But I can appreciate your disappointment in their brand.
Maybe look at a Fender acoustic? I have one (FA series) and am very satisfied.
If he’s this torn up about the way Martin does things he definitely doesn’t need to consider anything that Fender makes electric or acoustic.
In my experience, better off to buy a custom guitar from a luthier that’s an authorized Martin repair tech. They know how to make them better because they know the problems. Two great luthiers in East Tennessee. Mine was built in 2007 and have never needed anything. Neck has never moved. Top has never bellied. Tuning stability perfection. Made by hand by a real luthier, and cost me less than many Martins.
Neither has my $500 martin dx1 thst is 20 years old lol
@@cooloutac lmao.
Seeing brands put in time and effort into what they’re putting out to the world is VERY important. If I’m buying something expensive and I care about it, I want the producers of the product to also care about it. You made some really good points in this video!
Just a lie … what guitar has to do with factor tour …
I understand the way you feel . The reality is if those guitars all had to be handmade the retail sales price would be astronomically high . Knowing a robot made 90% of the guitar you're playing ....A guitar you are writing a song about outlaws and robbing trains . A guitar you are playing under the stars at nite around a campfire HAHA . The instrument is organic . It moves with the seasons . If you ever get the chance , watch a video of Greenfield guitars being made . It is simply amazing . It is therapeutic , ASMR like . But I understand why you feel the way you do .
I can understand where you're coming from. Jen and I used to work at the Jelly Belly candy factory near here, she was a tour guide and I worked on the factory floor. The problem I think you ran into was your tour guide, a lackluster tour guide can really damper a person's experience at the factory. Also to consider how much time does it take to make 1 guitar. That will tell you how much they care for that product. Like with Jelly Belly, it takes one week to make a Jelly Belly jelly bean. And after it's made, it's inspected before stamped with the logo. I'm sure Martin Guitars do the same thing.
I thought you were going to say you disappointed they making half the guitars in Mexico now lol. From what I understand a lot of the employees are basically like friends and family, parents and kids, husbands and wives that type of thing. it's the same environment in the Mexico Factory. I have a 20 year old dx1 thats never needed work done and gets played alot but i wonder if its successor the dx2e is just as good. I'm assuming the mexicans have alot of pride in it since its the only martin model with katalox. 😉
That’s great!
I saw the same thing back in the mid-90’s when I took a tour. I got over it.
Well, I took their tour and was highly impressed with the factory and craftsmanship in Nasarath,
PA. Taylor guitars are basically made the same way. I have played a Taylor and just dont care for their sound. I will keep and play my Martins. For me, thats all i will have.
Nice!!
So are you also only going to buy Lamborghinis, they're hand made?
😜If you can afford it, you can buy whichever you want, but not everybody has that luxury.
Lambos aren’t made of wood and aren’t made to create music, dodo.
@@josh_7569 Lamborghinis are luxury, so they can have the finest wood paneling, steering wheel, gear shift ect., if they choose. And whether you bo percussion on the hood or just play the car stereo, Lamborghinis can play music. The point was that not everyone can afford such expenses, not whether or not they can be used to make music.
I'm curious what Dom had to say on the subject, given his expertise over the years.
True!!
Actually a great question
I did not even listen to this, your reasons, as I have too many of my own. I despise NEW martins. So, here's my 2 cents: I am old and have owned 9 martins. 6 of them were pre-1968 and of those 3 were beautiful and I wish I'd kept them, since I could have used them to buy a house or a lot of gold bullion etc, but what does a young fool know about hyperinflation, yield curves, collectibles etc? These vintage guitars, that I bought NEW in the 60's were 2 D-28s, 2 D-41s, a D-35 and a D-45. The 28's cost $200 and the 45 cost $900. I needn't discuss current prices for the vastly inferior products of 2023. The new ones I bought and dumped were a 000-28EC and a 000-18MD and a 000-28MD, all garbage. When Martin stopped using Brazilian rosewood and went with Indian, that was the end of good sound, PERIOD. Further, the immense increase in neck mass and minimum nut width of 1 3/4, combined with the unbelievably high action, makes the new martins, in addition to sounding like they have a wet towel stuffed inside them, unplayable. I had some hopes for the 000-18MD. I had the action professionally lowered to the point of buzz and fret-out, and used 10-gauge strings, and still needed a vice like grip to play anything except cowboy chords and dyads or triads that use open strings. I also tried a new HD-28 and D-35, both of which are garbage, true garbage. If they cost $100 I would never have bought them. In fact I tried many many guitars in the $4000 to $11,000 range and they are all crap.
A $10,000 Collings OM was the best, and I would have paid as much as $200 for it. Let's say you have the strength to barre an E chord on the 7th fret, the full chord where the Index barres all 6 strings and your little finger, or whatever you use, barres 3 strings on the 9th fret. there is no brightness WHATSOEVER. It sounds like mud. A nylon string classical guitar will sound much brighter. Fretted strings do not ring, they just sound dead. So, I decided the 000-18MD was the piece of garbage I didn't mind experimenting on. I tried 3 different pickup systems, bought the Fishman Artist Loudbox amp, and spent another $1500 on the best DI/EQ pedal and Imaging pedals out there. To dial in a clean ringing sound was not only impossible at any price, even with a mahogany guitar (sitka top....torrified) but the guitar didn't even sound acoustic. By far the biggest hoax in the newest hyped up product is the modern deluxe series. These things sound harsh and artificial and metallic. They have no sweetness or resonant depth. In fact, the insane prices of old Vintage gear is well worth it if you are extremely rich and can spend a quarter million on a guitar that cost under $200 new. Then you MIGHT get a Martin that really sounds like a guitar should. For comparative purposes, the best guitar I ever owned was a 1941 Gibson that I bought in 1970 for $1500, which was a lot at the time. Too bad I sold that. A similar one just sold for $400,000.00. Recently I bought a 1963 Gibson J-50 for $5000. I paid up because it was in mint condition. It had the original cardboard case and looked pristine. It had the nylon bridge and unfortunately didn't have the slim neck on the 1968's. It just looked so good I bought it. But it sounded like a cheap new guitar. It must have never been played in. So I sold it, and made a little money on it. At present I use a Takamine and a Silvertone, both new guitars, both under $150. they both sound better and are vastly easier to play then any new Martin. I firmly believe that it is IMPOSSIBLE to buy a guitar made after 1968 from ANY company, for less then $75,000.00 that has a chance of sounding like a good guitar should. Even the hand-made stuff, the beautiful looking Greenfield stuff etc., is garbage. I recently tried a 1936 000-18 for $130,000.00 which was a beautiful sounding Martin. It's a shame I'm nor rich or I would have bought it. I have come to prefer mahogany with vintage Martins. Of new guitars, if you insist on wasting money on high profile names, Larivee at least sounds like a guitar. I won't buy any guitar with a 1 3/4 nut width and you, with a few exceptions with Epiphone and fender and some exotics, need to go back to 1959 to get 1 5/8 in electric an acoustic as well. On my electrics, and I way prefer Fender to Gibson with the exception of the ES-335, (and I payed $400 for my 1963 back in the day) I have Warmoth make the 1 5/8 necks, super slim, single truss, skunk stripe, nitro finish necks. I use stiff 10 gauge but with action so low almost no pressure is required, since I don't like fighting the guitar. For the money, I consider Martin the worst acoustic guitar on the market, if made after 1968. Blindfold-tested I would take any well set up $100 guitar over the D-45 for almost $11,000.00 because the new Martins sound like mud. If I shop for a new acoustic I won't pay over $200 (with tax). I always try to buy used. They sound better and cost less. The entire global economy is collapsing, you may have noticed. Now that our money is printed in China I hate that too. I'm disproportionately weighted in gold, which is getting smashed down too, but not for long.
F**k this world. Everyone ripping everyone off....no one trying to help each other.
this was VERY VERY insightful,, i really appriecate you taking the time to write all of this out. thank you for sharing!!!
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You're disappointed because the Martin brand is all about sticking to its old roots and old guitar-style building and tradition. Like, they pride themselves on that. Chris Martin even said his only other competition is with pre-war Martin Guitars....Then you go take a tour and see all machinery being used and its unlike what you perceived Martin Guitars to be.
Meanwhile, on the other side of the pond, a company like Taylor Guitars has fully embraced modern innovation and has been reaping all the benefits that goes along with all the technological advancements of the modern day. Stuff like bolt-on necks, new pattented V-Class Bracing, the use of Non-Traditional Wood Combinations, Computer-controlled Milling, UV-curable finish, Laser Technology, NT Neck, etc., etc.
Idk I say reject tradition and embrace modernity.
very very interesting points
I reject modernity and embrace tradition
How can you compare Martin guitar with Taylor, that’s not even a subject to debate, it’s like comparing bronze with platinum
@@federicoscquizzato8359 Taylor is kicking Martins ass this century. Martin is a shell of its former self. Their QC is at an all time low and no new exciting guitars are coming out from them. I could care less about Martins history when they can't even get their guitars binding to stay on.
@@federicoscquizzato8359 Martins have a known binding issue. Martin know about it. And they choose to not stand behind their product. $3000 guitar with a known problem. Eastmans are half that price and even cheaper and have zero issues. Many Martin owners are never buying Martins again. Nor should they.
@@tat2zz68I sell Martins in a guitar store and set them up, having to explain to a customer that they wasted $4000 on a guitar that you can't play past the 5th fret is incredibly awkward, I bought a 00015 a few years ago, within a year the neck warped incredibly even though I stored it correctly, the martin hangs on the wall now and I can hardly look at it I'm so disappointed, martin is the last company I will ever purchase from again, ill stick to yamahas which honestly are just as good sounding with impeccable setup straight out of the box, martin are a disgrace of a company now