I have been labbing garbage tindangle decks for years. This is a godsend. The work that you have done figuring these combos out is nothing short of astounding. Your presentation skills are fantastic. Great work, man. I love this
Hey guys, any list/video to share? Been a fan of the archetype since it's anime debut, but gave up of making it barely playable after the MR changes after the Vrains Era. Almost sure that the archetype were supposed to saw more support but that did not came to be after the anime series got cut down and I am afraid we will not see any new support besides cyberses for it (if at all) given how the Vrains era is regarded, so any help on making the tindangles playable would be more than appreciated.
The Predaplant engine is one of those things that exists right now. The fact that it is a free Link-4 off of your Normal Summon is kind of surprising. A few fun notes: -You can also run a small Therion package of Borea, Regulus and the Field Spell to include a negate if you open Lonefire. -Predaplant Byblisp turns Foolish Burial and a few other cards into another copy of Scorpio. I was also trying to figure out if there was a way through using Exodo Blaze to get all five pieces of Exodia in your backrow to then use Pot of the Forbidden's 2nd effect to bounce all of them back to your hand to win the duel that way
It's amazing how FLORAL KNIGHT support of all things is what's giving Flip Monsters a chance at playability again. Then again that's also what's been making Synchros relevant since 2022(Baronne de Fleur is essentially supposed to be a new boss monster for Sherry LeBlanc's Anime stuff).
Very nice! This feels like one of those hyper pendulum decks that just use the best of every archetype to create a well oiled machine with very satisfying combos, except its flip monsters which makes it even cooler honestly.
Right on man. You have me sold on the scapeghost and tindangle segments especially. i'm subscribing. Was going to mention here before you showed it- the line with Behemoth Fiendess sending squamata and then the Incarnation for an immediate flipup on the same monster Behemoth fiendess summons, but you took that line to the next level. I wish there were more one card combos but it's up to Konami to actually develop Flip instead of just being archetype focused and all these random flip monsters and cards like sunset beat being released. There's actually a way to make a morphing jar-centered build with Chain Summoning to basically tutor out more (summon more) monsters for more extra deck summons. Flip morphing jar the same turn its summoned facedown, and continue summoning after.
absolutely loved the video, this and the last have been huge help to my krawler deck. Like the fact alone that this showed me a 1 card combo into deus x and a card that can flip is monumental
It seems like the main weakness these decks share is their linear start, right? Diverse ways into Ham+Borrelguard seems to be a priority. Im wondering if that's something that can be done with Runicks. Their ability to generate material at will without using a normal(material that can be beasts, making fusing into Ham with other fusion cards more viable, if there are other beasts worth playing like maybe rescue cat or just the various beast flips) as well as providing a handtrap magnet in hugen, could virtually guarantee you a cross-sheep or Proxy-F magician off any normal if played to a critical amount.
I was tinkering with a deck like this a while ago. My starter was Rescue cat who brought out Guard Dog and Whirlwind Weasel. Now with Master of Ham I might have to get back into the lab 👀
Didn't see this mentioned yet, the SHS engine lets you make diabolants, mill any plant (i.e predaplant byblisp) to search orphys, then pend summon it to retain a normal summon, as well as just being more starters
One thing I thought of is using the Speedroid Terrortop engine with ghostrick cards for your flip plays. Terrortop specials itself when you control no monsters and usually baits a handtrap if they have it, making the predaplant line a little safer. Terrortop and Taketomborg make alucard who you can xyz into angel of mischief for ghostrick shot, another mischief could then search for Ghostrick Scare, which flips all face down monsters you control face up (potentially useful) It's also easy Nibiru fodder, as you're leading to Utopic Draco Future with your 2 Rank 4s, meaning you won't have to worry about it with your real plays. The only downside is that it takes up 6 Extra Deck slots, and Droll and Lock Bird will screw you up since you search with the Speedoids/Ghostrick cards
You inspired me, and now I have my 60 cards KGPPP (or KGP for friends) deck, wich stands for Krawler Generaider Prediction Princess Plant, almost ready for my next for fun tournament. I tested some hands and it's incredibly funny how it almost never bricks (assuming the opponent doesn't have interruptions), flip decks never felt this good. Sometimes it feels like there is so much you can do that the space on the field just isn't enaugh.
Yep im thinking about doing something like that, i already have prediction princess an krawler in paper but i lack à one card starter so i might try out plant and stuff like that By any chance, can you show us à decklist good sir ?
A thought: The Tri-Brigade engine can by linking of shuraig search for the floral support, which might make that part viable + the beast typing if hamster and floral generally benefits tri-brigade
Im theorycrafting a potential build with tri-brigade focusing around beast types: floral horse, guard dog/whirlwind specifically, and using stuff like krawler soma to extend. Rescue Cat could be a solid starter mixed with soma for a deck like that.
Those combos are awesome, very creative use of those cards, i never got that bit on borrelguard that it flips any non link monster to face up defense, i'm just sad because i'm a master duel player and instant fusion is banned. That being said, i experimented with the predaplant engine myself in some decks, don't know if it can help at anything but there are some combos i found with them by exploring the card ultra polymerization, it can fuse 2 monsters on your field and then you can banish it and target the fusion monster summoned with it to bring back 2 materials (atk and def reduced tro 0, effects negated). From that there are 2 starting lines with it, you should also use ultra poly's effect from gy to summon back the 2 materials, they can go into a cross-sheep pointing to the fusion you can fuse both predaplants to summon garura, he is lv6 which can help most synchro decks and when sent to gy will draw you a card. you also can fusion summon into predaplant Ambulomelides and that can go further into predaplants but it gets convoluted and you have to play lots of bricks. •it can search another predap card when summoned, just to grab another copy of scorpio so you don't draw into it later, one of the predap spells to revive predaplants from grave or a pendulum monster for scale •It has a effect to tribute any monster on your field or a monster on the opoent's with a predator counter to special summon any predaplant from deck, i did only find 2 good options, Chlamydosundew can fuse again for a dragostapelia or banksogre, which is a lv6 tuner (yes, predaplants have a tuner), when it leaves the field it also puts a predator counter in every oponent monster, it can be helpful in turn 2 because they will turn into lv1 dark monsters. instead of cross-shep you can make m-x saber invoker to summon heroic challenger mornig star and search heroic call, it and a lv6 tuner = baronne. You can also use the 2 predaplants revived by ultra poly to make cherubini, it can send any lv3 from deck to grave as cost.
Found you through your previous video and am really enjoying your channel. Keep up the great work. Based on the predaplant setup I tried to maybe make stuff work with Melffy (I just think they're neat). Didn't find anything pertaining to that but something else that seems to me like it has a lot of potential: As a target for ham you can get baby raccoon tantan, and off of tantan's effect you can get kittytail, mystical beast of the forest. With kittytail's effect you can foolish any beast or plant (since you will have these types in the GY already by then). This is the point where I feel like you can go in many directions: Foolish tri-brigade kitt for tri-brigade combos, or Fengli the soldrapom which would give you access to lv5 synchro, or just spore again to get access to lv5 or 7 synchro. Of course you could also overlay kittytail and tantan for something (like melffy of the forest). Maybe you can unlock Kittytail's hidden potential? I'll keep looking, but honestly already feeling really overwhelmed with the cardpool.
What you think about superheavy engine? You could play it as a way to get scales,free special that makes that synchro 8 that looks like a mantis, the mantis can send the level 1 predaplant which searches scorpio, the down side is that you need to specifically start the superheavy engine first before using spells
Oh man so many new flip cards too. tons of new jar cards, and you could combo them with exxod to do even more burn damage. Messenger of peace to stall the game and burn your opponent with damage.
Nice video, the predaplant line inspired me to create a runick deck using it, because you normally have an extra special of the quick plays you can summon conbirdable of ham, and end on i:P or s:P plus borrelguard and face down umastryx I think this version is nice because it's not just locking your opponent out of playing of a pretty fragile combo, but has a good grind game (flipping umastryx down with it's effect to reuse it infinatly) and a lot of versatility based of the 1-4 slots you realistically have left for more flip nonsense in the end
So typically i don't comment on youtube videos but funnily enough i was cooking around with flips as well and came to a similar build but using the prediction cards as well. So here are my 5 cents on this topic: Predaplant engine is perfect for getting access to ham and getting into further plays via cross-sheep and reborns from grave. Especially lonefire blossom. On this note, lonefire blossom give acess to cattycorn, which then gives access to any fieldspell you like. I play the drytron fieldspell with the meteor shower for a free summon negate. Further i like to play triple kashtira fenrir just so i can play around handtraps and stuff.
Holy shit this is so good. For the Predaplant-Krawler-scapeghost version I highly recommend running ghost belle because it can be a small world bridge between any crawler and Scorpio (or Lonefire but why go through Lonefire at this point). Also 1 Foolish 1 Byblisp just to bring the starter count from 9 to 10.
Oh also siding the Shaddoll Fusion package (1) because it’s broken going second this format, (2) you can use master of ham to search the shaddolls to use them as combo pieces if need be, and (3) Cobra can search Shaddoll Fusion
Lonefire is actually a stronger starter than Orphys Simply since it can be summoned back off cross-sheep to activate again and get more plants if possible
@@TCGNistro that’s true uninterrupted, but Lonefire is weaker to Ash Blossom, like if they ash Lonefire you’re SOL whereas if they ash Scorpio you’ve at least still got the body, and can potentially extend into at least like an S:P if you’ve got Soma. There’s the argument that if they had ash blossom they would’ve used it on small world but that’s not always the case. Regardless Belle bridges into either one because it’s a level 3 that shares nothing else with either of them.
There's actually another card you can use like Ophrys Scorpio, but the downside is it locks you into only summoning fusions from extra deck for the rest of the turn. Keeper of dragon magic on normal or special summon lets you discard any card, not just monsters to search any polymerization or fusion normal spell. Also, since keeper of dragon magic says discard, he works under shifter unlike ophrys Scorpio. Keeper of dragon Magic's second effect allows you to reveal a fusion in deck and special summon 1 material listed on it in face down defense position from your grave, so if there are any good flip monsters listed as specific fusion material that might also be a very useful effect.
Ever sense these 2 videos, Ive been labbing Tri-Brigade Flip with Cross-Sheep as a beast link 2 thats properly summoned and its so gas! Cant wait to play this in paper as a budget player!
Watched both videos on the flip decks and played/made a list based around the scape ghost combo, here are my thoughts to think about when making an actual list. 1.) I think choosing a flip archetype with a few random flips in deck to summon (pot of forbidden, guard dog, summoner of illusions, magical merchant) is the better route in terms of playability 2.) the cards you put in/summon need to be able to play around interruptions/board breakers (got raigeki’d and lost horribly after doing whole combo then caught an imperm on the twist cobra) 3.) I feel like the extra deck could have some improvements, if you play more of a flip oriented strategy with magical merchant you don’t even really need to link off for sprind to make master of ham live Looking forward to seeing more flip deck stuff 😎
I really agree with points 2 and 3 the most, but I'd ask how you got rageki'd when unless your ending on IP specifically you really don't have to wait until main phase to flip up your monsters, especially if you suspect theyre on fenrir. For point 3 there may be some lists in this video but they are just examples far from optimal in terms of space and techs. For point 1 I cant say for sure if the best deck using a flip monster will be the deck that uses a flip archtype. From my testing it feels like the most competent flip decks are the ones that only use a handful of flip engine cards to enhance the strategies they already have.
@@TCGNistro I ended my board the same way you showed in the scapeghost combo, I flipped ham in standby with borrelguard to get the summoner of illusions (hard drew guard dog). Waited for my opponents main to go into I:p for the second borrel but the first card he played was the raigeki so in terms of timing I couldn’t flip the summoner before everything died. Will definitely be labbing this out more, I feel like there are tons of different ways to make flips good and to play them now, and the Scorpio combo into borrelguard + a flip is definitely a step in the right direction. I just don’t think anyone knows what is the best thing to do after that yet
@@abstractghoste When they raigeki like that you chain the ip before the borrelguard, Ip cl2 Borrel cl3 Borrel flips ups the monster ip links off For your board state it sounds like you could've made apo or little knight off the ip without using borrelguard so you could've had 2 monsters protected from destruction Also master of ham can summon flips from hand, I dont think there's ever a reason not to go for guard dog if it's possible unless weasel is better into the matchup like lab or runick
@@abstractghoste But I see what you mean tho in that particular line if u went scapeghost first there's no direct line into guard dog unless you can play in opponents mp, and baronne on your turn is possible but requires you to have another extender outside the line
1:15 i cant believe you forgot the best searcher in the game, world legacy survivor. Between 3 soma, survivor, prosperity, and small world, its basically garenteed.
You can actually use HAM to set Dhac the dark charmer from deck and then flip it with Borrelguard. Doing this meets the full requirement to summon Familiar possessed - Dharc from deck and then search any level 3-4 spellcaster from the deck. A little awkward to follow up on but you can always tech in Maximus and search that with Ecclesia and then bridge into Dogmatika combos or just steal your opponents stuff. Eda the sun magician also has a ton of interesting flip combos such as a way to loop Gravekeeper's for massive searching and board presence and away to make Tzolkin using penguins and grabs a S/T mid combo for Tzolkins effect,
@@TCGNistro eda can set any 1500 def spellcaster which lets you set up some very interesting combos and interactions with cards like Penguin squire or with cards like Gravekeepers such as shaman and recruiter
Good sir, you have earned by subscription. Oh, I noticed you didn’t mention this in the video, so I just wanted to point out that you can search soma if you summon receptor off ham.
39:18 I must admit, I laughed at this terrible joke. Shameful I know. Great work tho, really awesome combos. I love seeing all these weird archetypes actually working.
this is maybe a bit janky, but what about searching lonefire with Aromaseraphy Jasmine? This seems like a way you could get enough starters to consistently do a combo.
@@TCGNistro I commented this, but then I couldn't find any 1 card aroma+single body on board combos that don't plant lock you. 1 card aroma+any extender works but at that point I don't see it as more consistent than just playing small worlds or something.
11:38 Aromage Rosemary,: Gain lp = Pseudo enemy controler (Face-up only), higher hp = Sad flips during battle phase 1:09:10 Tenyi field will trigger if set monsters, but all that trouble for a conditional Pot of greed isn't worth imo 1:11:39 How dare you (lol), had been saved by it many times, & the trap is a equip to make your Cerberus scary, but isn't worth; Dholes lingering effect on the other hand... let's say is a link 3 with the name of a 3 headed dog for a reason 1:15:31 Subterror succession has been a favorite of mine (And a big Ash target), as it allows to search virtually anything (slower Virtual world, but at least doesn't banish from deck), as long as your list is built for it; mainly for Earth & Dark but even fire can fit the list That Cupid into Green ninja line was smooth (Rikka Primula also has that "on resolution even if it wasn't there prior"), played with him alongside Labrynth furniture (Tindangle - Labrynth), but had to manually draw it, not to mention ignored the fact Scapeghost is a tuner and went for silly stuff like 4k @rrival Is a shame that in MD, where I'm playing currently, instant fusion is banned, so while the video was informative, I'll do my best with these ideas (Forgot about Squamata > Incarnation), mainly through Cherubini... might come back here as didn't expect to see more fans of Akira Zaizen out there (Yes, Tindangle has hope, since is an anime deck) Don't forget to leave the kitchen clean & tidy for the next cooking session, and have a great day
Im back in the lab and I can confidently say instant fusion is not necessary, there are other lines that go into guard + any flip, just requires more starters, more to follow in my next update.
Search soma via normal summon ze Amin. Can send resonance insect for diabolantis overlay into beeg sargas search lily equip and then send resonance to search for disco, add soma then regulus. Can summon soma with regulus up for a protected combo but alas if they had a hand trap they used it for foxy or lantis prolly. Combo is 1.5card on its own with a bunch of bricks but if you Lead e tele u can retain your normal. Maybe something to add to the pile lol. Edit: assuming u normalled ze Amin you could send the level1 that banishes itself for a plant from hand instead of resonance insect after searching orphys
Wait. If u draw Romarin e tele thats a 2 card omni(regulus) body(sargas) and soma in hand. But since u pitched romarin for foxy u can send another plant (byplislp) to search for orphys while retaining your normal summon.
Hey Nistro what do you think of the cards Time Reloader and Green Ninja? Both are generic Flip support extender that flip monsters face-down when summoned. Time Reloader can even be used during your opponents turn as interruption if you quick-flip your monsters. And it also has an reborn effect when flipped that then books a monster while Green Ninja can flip a monster up or down when sent to the GY.
@@TCGNistro And don't forget that you can also play other plant targets like Lily Borea or Cattycorn to search any field spell to access other engines if you start with Lonefire. Could maybe be useful if you play enough plants to play a 5 card Therion engine to give you an early negate. Superheavy Samurai into Diabolantis and therefore plants in the GY and also starts your engine and gives you Baronne access.
Holy so sick, incredible flip series! you were talking about the type changing of symphonic warriors? I think wyrm could be super sick? Gives you access to baxia / chixiao?
Ideas for lvl 9 flips. Kaiju slumber, give yourself Thunder King World Legacy Monstrosity + World Legacy Survivor + World Legacy Mind Meld + Deus-X Gizmek Kaku Beargram Generaiders
16:24 "doesn't really work that well with the wanted engine" Snake-Eye lets them resolve a single copy of Decatron at least 3 times in the same turn and gives the link material necessary to make Proxy F and then Flood, I think if you're not playing the Snake-Eye engine in Infernoid you're just throwing.
OCG stopped using snake eye in the topping infernoid lists, Snake eyes add a lot of versatility to the deck, but it will always be a monke mill deck at heart. I think that's why konami made the DT support the way they did.
@@TCGNistro I just find it hard to believe that its better to play a lot of cards that do little on their own rather than playing consistent one-card starters (that also increase your endboards' ceiling), besides its not like Infernoid is seeing that much play anyways, so a small sample size is definitely skewing those results.
@@fryenchill2817 Actually I was mislead because although road of the king did showcase infernoid lists doing well that had no snake eye support post phni/ terminal world, but a lot of lists that have topped since then were on snake eyes anyways, just 60 card grass horus mill variants of fire
You should try the shs engine. You get the same number of bricks as with scorpio but you have 12 starters and 2 extra bodys. You have bike and prodigi which are 6 starters, the lvl 9 machina monster ehoch can search bike or shs wagon ehich can search soulgaya whoch makes gear hiant which searches bike. For the combo you for example use the lvl 9 machina. Search bike. search prodigi. Then special prodigi and place benkei. Benkei searches soulpiercer. Equip soulpiercer. Xou can then make beyoond the pemdulum. Search the new majespecter dracoslayer pend and anouther prodigi. Set prodigi in the pend zone. Then you can pend out the prodigi from extra and the majispector dracoslayer. Use the majispector dracoslayer to discard any card and sesrch clear world. Then you can ling into exeed the pendulum with any pend and beyoond. Exeed then gives you back the used pend monster and summons it. Then you can overlay both lvl 4s to make granite. Granite searches lord of the heavenly prison.Bery important then set clear world first before activating it. Now you activate clear world. Now a new chain begins.Because a set card was activated you can summon lord of the heavenly prison. And he triggers because he was revealed in hand by the effect of clear world because you have the light monster exeed the pendulum. So lord of the heavenly prison searches you instant fusion. You now can avtivate instant fusion and summon lord of ham. He summon any flio and then you can make with the link 3 and lord of ham the borrel link 4. And now you have the borrel link 4, lord of the heavenly prison, the granite and the set monster on the field. The best part is if you draw some of the pieces in this combo you can spare your normal. Drawing prodigi and either bike or piercer allows you to search soulgaya from the benkei which summons itself and then you equip the piercer to it to save your normal.
idk if theres any type specific/ attribute in synchros thats worth. Outside of maybe Dark synchros? Link 2 - 3 monsters have more generic type specific stuff
Which decklist was used for the "Strongest Flip Monster" section of the video? Would this deck be able to fit in the Secret Village of the spellcasters as a lock, as the combo requires no spell usage after the instant fusion? I know you mentioned an engine that could search any field spell, and someone in comments mentioned Secret Village, so that sounds really viable at locking if it could be consistent. Do you think the deck is worth pursuing (does combo/deck outright die to any specific hand traps? Could they be circumvented in some way)?
As for Scapeghost combos any list you see with scapeghost and the synchro climb package are very much what you can use to make the combo. All it takes is a single Scorpio
@@DadJokeExpert It's the 'and if you do' part of Jhrelth's effect. 'And if you do' means Intruder is milled to the grave and Jhrelth are summoned simultaneously, meaning Intruder would not be in grave in time to trigger, effectively missing timing for its trigger.
@@DadJokeExpert Yeah here we are stressing away reading the psct of playing cards when we could be making 6 figures interpreting law documents incorrectly and still getting paid Also I don't believe I locked in and made a subterror variant, I was too unfamiliar with guru control theory
I have been labbing garbage tindangle decks for years. This is a godsend. The work that you have done figuring these combos out is nothing short of astounding. Your presentation skills are fantastic. Great work, man. I love this
Friends call me the Tindangler😎
Hey guys, any list/video to share? Been a fan of the archetype since it's anime debut, but gave up of making it barely playable after the MR changes after the Vrains Era. Almost sure that the archetype were supposed to saw more support but that did not came to be after the anime series got cut down and I am afraid we will not see any new support besides cyberses for it (if at all) given how the Vrains era is regarded, so any help on making the tindangles playable would be more than appreciated.
If you need a little more help you can join the discord and we can figure out tindangles specifically as well as other flip decks
The Predaplant engine is one of those things that exists right now. The fact that it is a free Link-4 off of your Normal Summon is kind of surprising. A few fun notes:
-You can also run a small Therion package of Borea, Regulus and the Field Spell to include a negate if you open Lonefire.
-Predaplant Byblisp turns Foolish Burial and a few other cards into another copy of Scorpio.
I was also trying to figure out if there was a way through using Exodo Blaze to get all five pieces of Exodia in your backrow to then use Pot of the Forbidden's 2nd effect to bounce all of them back to your hand to win the duel that way
Yes Im learning about byslip now, Im hearing it opens shs/punk to becoming a starter for flips
It's amazing how FLORAL KNIGHT support of all things is what's giving Flip Monsters a chance at playability again. Then again that's also what's been making Synchros relevant since 2022(Baronne de Fleur is essentially supposed to be a new boss monster for Sherry LeBlanc's Anime stuff).
Very nice! This feels like one of those hyper pendulum decks that just use the best of every archetype to create a well oiled machine with very satisfying combos, except its flip monsters which makes it even cooler honestly.
Right on man. You have me sold on the scapeghost and tindangle segments especially. i'm subscribing. Was going to mention here before you showed it- the line with Behemoth Fiendess sending squamata and then the Incarnation for an immediate flipup on the same monster Behemoth fiendess summons, but you took that line to the next level. I wish there were more one card combos but it's up to Konami to actually develop Flip instead of just being archetype focused and all these random flip monsters and cards like sunset beat being released.
There's actually a way to make a morphing jar-centered build with Chain Summoning to basically tutor out more (summon more) monsters for more extra deck summons. Flip morphing jar the same turn its summoned facedown, and continue summoning after.
I'm so excited to watch this you have no idea.
And so soon after your last flip video too. GOAT
insane amount of cookery, send my regards to the chef
absolutely loved the video, this and the last have been huge help to my krawler deck. Like the fact alone that this showed me a 1 card combo into deus x and a card that can flip is monumental
I like your way of thinking, Hope to see more of those brilliant ideas
The level of cooking here is absolutely insane. Master of Ham might become to Flip monsters what Halq was to tuners getting banned
This is map cope 😂
It seems like the main weakness these decks share is their linear start, right? Diverse ways into Ham+Borrelguard seems to be a priority. Im wondering if that's something that can be done with Runicks. Their ability to generate material at will without using a normal(material that can be beasts, making fusing into Ham with other fusion cards more viable, if there are other beasts worth playing like maybe rescue cat or just the various beast flips) as well as providing a handtrap magnet in hugen, could virtually guarantee you a cross-sheep or Proxy-F magician off any normal if played to a critical amount.
There's always game 2 lol
I was tinkering with a deck like this a while ago. My starter was Rescue cat who brought out Guard Dog and Whirlwind Weasel. Now with Master of Ham I might have to get back into the lab 👀
Rescue Cat into Subterror Link sounds insane, you should get on it👀
Matter of fact I should get on it😎
Right ear: yu gi oh flip combo theory
Left ear: Chopin (2× speed)
You mean the nigga going hard on piano🤣
@@TCGNistroIt goes harder listening scapeghost combos
Didn't see this mentioned yet, the SHS engine lets you make diabolants, mill any plant (i.e predaplant byblisp) to search orphys, then pend summon it to retain a normal summon, as well as just being more starters
We'll be cooking with diabolantis and shs soon
I made you reach the 1K subs of your channel! Congrats!
The actual chef himself graces my comments, tysm🥰
One thing I thought of is using the Speedroid Terrortop engine with ghostrick cards for your flip plays. Terrortop specials itself when you control no monsters and usually baits a handtrap if they have it, making the predaplant line a little safer.
Terrortop and Taketomborg make alucard who you can xyz into angel of mischief for ghostrick shot, another mischief could then search for Ghostrick Scare, which flips all face down monsters you control face up (potentially useful)
It's also easy Nibiru fodder, as you're leading to Utopic Draco Future with your 2 Rank 4s, meaning you won't have to worry about it with your real plays. The only downside is that it takes up 6 Extra Deck slots, and Droll and Lock Bird will screw you up since you search with the Speedoids/Ghostrick cards
Yes we discovered the scare + draco future play a short while ago it works well with both predaplants as well as other engine starters
You inspired me, and now I have my 60 cards KGPPP (or KGP for friends) deck, wich stands for Krawler Generaider Prediction Princess Plant, almost ready for my next for fun tournament. I tested some hands and it's incredibly funny how it almost never bricks (assuming the opponent doesn't have interruptions), flip decks never felt this good. Sometimes it feels like there is so much you can do that the space on the field just isn't enaugh.
Yep im thinking about doing something like that, i already have prediction princess an krawler in paper but i lack à one card starter so i might try out plant and stuff like that
By any chance, can you show us à decklist good sir ?
A thought: The Tri-Brigade engine can by linking of shuraig search for the floral support, which might make that part viable + the beast typing if hamster and floral generally benefits tri-brigade
Im theorycrafting a potential build with tri-brigade focusing around beast types: floral horse, guard dog/whirlwind specifically, and using stuff like krawler soma to extend.
Rescue Cat could be a solid starter mixed with soma for a deck like that.
In the Tindangle line you can make Barricadeborg Blocker to discard the trap, maybe its worth exploring
I Definitely wanna see what else tindangle can do
Great video. Might make that first prediction guard dog deck! looks like so much fun.
we are so back
Those combos are awesome, very creative use of those cards, i never got that bit on borrelguard that it flips any non link monster to face up defense, i'm just sad because i'm a master duel player and instant fusion is banned.
That being said, i experimented with the predaplant engine myself in some decks, don't know if it can help at anything but there are some combos i found with them by exploring the card ultra polymerization, it can fuse 2 monsters on your field and then you can banish it and target the fusion monster summoned with it to bring back 2 materials (atk and def reduced tro 0, effects negated).
From that there are 2 starting lines with it, you should also use ultra poly's effect from gy to summon back the 2 materials, they can go into a cross-sheep pointing to the fusion
you can fuse both predaplants to summon garura, he is lv6 which can help most synchro decks and when sent to gy will draw you a card.
you also can fusion summon into predaplant Ambulomelides and that can go further into predaplants but it gets convoluted and you have to play lots of bricks.
•it can search another predap card when summoned, just to grab another copy of scorpio so you don't draw into it later, one of the predap spells to revive predaplants from grave or a pendulum monster for scale
•It has a effect to tribute any monster on your field or a monster on the opoent's with a predator counter to special summon any predaplant from deck, i did only find 2 good options, Chlamydosundew can fuse again for a dragostapelia or banksogre, which is a lv6 tuner (yes, predaplants have a tuner), when it leaves the field it also puts a predator counter in every oponent monster, it can be helpful in turn 2 because they will turn into lv1 dark monsters.
instead of cross-shep you can make m-x saber invoker to summon heroic challenger mornig star and search heroic call, it and a lv6 tuner = baronne.
You can also use the 2 predaplants revived by ultra poly to make cherubini, it can send any lv3 from deck to grave as cost.
Found you through your previous video and am really enjoying your channel. Keep up the great work.
Based on the predaplant setup I tried to maybe make stuff work with Melffy (I just think they're neat). Didn't find anything pertaining to that but something else that seems to me like it has a lot of potential: As a target for ham you can get baby raccoon tantan, and off of tantan's effect you can get kittytail, mystical beast of the forest. With kittytail's effect you can foolish any beast or plant (since you will have these types in the GY already by then). This is the point where I feel like you can go in many directions: Foolish tri-brigade kitt for tri-brigade combos, or Fengli the soldrapom which would give you access to lv5 synchro, or just spore again to get access to lv5 or 7 synchro. Of course you could also overlay kittytail and tantan for something (like melffy of the forest).
Maybe you can unlock Kittytail's hidden potential? I'll keep looking, but honestly already feeling really overwhelmed with the cardpool.
Already looking at a beast flip deck with tri-brigade, hoping it's solid
What you think about superheavy engine? You could play it as a way to get scales,free special that makes that synchro 8 that looks like a mantis, the mantis can send the level 1 predaplant which searches scorpio, the down side is that you need to specifically start the superheavy engine first before using spells
And It can also do other synchrk 8s or rank 4 like the granite for cards like the pot ( but in this case you dont get free pendulum scales)
Oh man so many new flip cards too. tons of new jar cards, and you could combo them with exxod to do even more burn damage. Messenger of peace to stall the game and burn your opponent with damage.
Great job, keep it up. Looking forward to more!
More to come!
Nice video, the predaplant line inspired me to create a runick deck using it, because you normally have an extra special of the quick plays you can summon conbirdable of ham, and end on i:P or s:P plus borrelguard and face down umastryx
I think this version is nice because it's not just locking your opponent out of playing of a pretty fragile combo, but has a good grind game (flipping umastryx down with it's effect to reuse it infinatly) and a lot of versatility based of the 1-4 slots you realistically have left for more flip nonsense in the end
this is really sick! finally someone gives Flips the attention they deserve!
Another note with banshee in grave you can get zombie world giving mezuki access to every monster in geave
So typically i don't comment on youtube videos but funnily enough i was cooking around with flips as well and came to a similar build but using the prediction cards as well. So here are my 5 cents on this topic:
Predaplant engine is perfect for getting access to ham and getting into further plays via cross-sheep and reborns from grave. Especially lonefire blossom. On this note, lonefire blossom give acess to cattycorn, which then gives access to any fieldspell you like. I play the drytron fieldspell with the meteor shower for a free summon negate. Further i like to play triple kashtira fenrir just so i can play around handtraps and stuff.
You did an awesome job right here. I love the theorycraft :)
This is far from the end...
Holy shit this is so good. For the Predaplant-Krawler-scapeghost version I highly recommend running ghost belle because it can be a small world bridge between any crawler and Scorpio (or Lonefire but why go through Lonefire at this point). Also 1 Foolish 1 Byblisp just to bring the starter count from 9 to 10.
Oh also siding the Shaddoll Fusion package (1) because it’s broken going second this format, (2) you can use master of ham to search the shaddolls to use them as combo pieces if need be, and (3) Cobra can search Shaddoll Fusion
Lonefire is actually a stronger starter than Orphys Simply since it can be summoned back off cross-sheep to activate again and get more plants if possible
@@TCGNistro that’s true uninterrupted, but Lonefire is weaker to Ash Blossom, like if they ash Lonefire you’re SOL whereas if they ash Scorpio you’ve at least still got the body, and can potentially extend into at least like an S:P if you’ve got Soma. There’s the argument that if they had ash blossom they would’ve used it on small world but that’s not always the case. Regardless Belle bridges into either one because it’s a level 3 that shares nothing else with either of them.
1 and half hours of flip cope content. That’s all I could of asked for ❤
We out here trying to make it capable, not cope😅
There's actually another card you can use like Ophrys Scorpio, but the downside is it locks you into only summoning fusions from extra deck for the rest of the turn.
Keeper of dragon magic on normal or special summon lets you discard any card, not just monsters to search any polymerization or fusion normal spell. Also, since keeper of dragon magic says discard, he works under shifter unlike ophrys Scorpio. Keeper of dragon Magic's second effect allows you to reveal a fusion in deck and special summon 1 material listed on it in face down defense position from your grave, so if there are any good flip monsters listed as specific fusion material that might also be a very useful effect.
Ever sense these 2 videos, Ive been labbing Tri-Brigade Flip with Cross-Sheep as a beast link 2 thats properly summoned and its so gas! Cant wait to play this in paper as a budget player!
Proxy f gonna do wonders for the deck in a tri package fr
You can run legacy survivor to search soma and peaskeeper to summon any excavated predeplants to use the combo
Getting locked to links too early locks us out of ham, and it's not the best searcher either
Watched both videos on the flip decks and played/made a list based around the scape ghost combo, here are my thoughts to think about when making an actual list.
1.) I think choosing a flip archetype with a few random flips in deck to summon (pot of forbidden, guard dog, summoner of illusions, magical merchant) is the better route in terms of playability
2.) the cards you put in/summon need to be able to play around interruptions/board breakers (got raigeki’d and lost horribly after doing whole combo then caught an imperm on the twist cobra)
3.) I feel like the extra deck could have some improvements, if you play more of a flip oriented strategy with magical merchant you don’t even really need to link off for sprind to make master of ham live
Looking forward to seeing more flip deck stuff 😎
I really agree with points 2 and 3 the most, but I'd ask how you got rageki'd when unless your ending on IP specifically you really don't have to wait until main phase to flip up your monsters, especially if you suspect theyre on fenrir.
For point 3 there may be some lists in this video but they are just examples far from optimal in terms of space and techs.
For point 1 I cant say for sure if the best deck using a flip monster will be the deck that uses a flip archtype. From my testing it feels like the most competent flip decks are the ones that only use a handful of flip engine cards to enhance the strategies they already have.
@@TCGNistro I ended my board the same way you showed in the scapeghost combo, I flipped ham in standby with borrelguard to get the summoner of illusions (hard drew guard dog). Waited for my opponents main to go into I:p for the second borrel but the first card he played was the raigeki so in terms of timing I couldn’t flip the summoner before everything died.
Will definitely be labbing this out more, I feel like there are tons of different ways to make flips good and to play them now, and the Scorpio combo into borrelguard + a flip is definitely a step in the right direction. I just don’t think anyone knows what is the best thing to do after that yet
@@abstractghoste
When they raigeki like that you chain the ip before the borrelguard,
Ip cl2
Borrel cl3
Borrel flips ups the monster
ip links off
For your board state it sounds like you could've made apo or little knight off the ip without using borrelguard so you could've had 2 monsters protected from destruction
Also master of ham can summon flips from hand, I dont think there's ever a reason not to go for guard dog if it's possible unless weasel is better into the matchup like lab or runick
@@TCGNistro that makes more sense, honestly forgot that ham summons from hand as well. I’m Gonna definitely need to work on understanding the deck
@@abstractghoste But I see what you mean tho in that particular line if u went scapeghost first there's no direct line into guard dog unless you can play in opponents mp, and baronne on your turn is possible but requires you to have another extender outside the line
loving the smt ost in the background
Keep up the damn good work on something interesting 👏
Imagine if we keep getting more Flip monster support and better flip monsters until we get a meta relevant deck. If is at least tier 3 I'll be happy.
1:15 i cant believe you forgot the best searcher in the game, world legacy survivor. Between 3 soma, survivor, prosperity, and small world, its basically garenteed.
Mfw I resolve survivor frame 1 whiff off top 5 and I'm also locked out from talking to the bad bitches(master of ham) for the rest of the turn
I also thought flips had a lot of potential, especially with busted tools like birdable, ham and predictions are
You can actually use HAM to set Dhac the dark charmer from deck and then flip it with Borrelguard. Doing this meets the full requirement to summon Familiar possessed - Dharc from deck and then search any level 3-4 spellcaster from the deck. A little awkward to follow up on but you can always tech in Maximus and search that with Ecclesia and then bridge into Dogmatika combos or just steal your opponents stuff.
Eda the sun magician also has a ton of interesting flip combos such as a way to loop Gravekeeper's for massive searching and board presence and away to make Tzolkin using penguins and grabs a S/T mid combo for Tzolkins effect,
I'm interested in Eda now I initially didn't think she was saucy
@@TCGNistro eda can set any 1500 def spellcaster which lets you set up some very interesting combos and interactions with cards like Penguin squire or with cards like Gravekeepers such as shaman and recruiter
Yeah brother Imma need the method
Good sir, you have earned by subscription. Oh, I noticed you didn’t mention this in the video, so I just wanted to point out that you can search soma if you summon receptor off ham.
I worked some theory off that but it feels underwhelming compared to other possible extenders
I wonder if there's anything we could do with Ultra Polymerization as an extra target for the Scorpio → Cobra combo in these decks.
Mutamorphosis? Tons of crazy lv 5 targets with ham
39:18 I must admit, I laughed at this terrible joke.
Shameful I know.
Great work tho, really awesome combos. I love seeing all these weird archetypes actually working.
Guitarizzed you up😎
this is maybe a bit janky, but what about searching lonefire with Aromaseraphy Jasmine? This seems like a way you could get enough starters to consistently do a combo.
Imma need the Aroma method
@@TCGNistro I commented this, but then I couldn't find any 1 card aroma+single body on board combos that don't plant lock you. 1 card aroma+any extender works but at that point I don't see it as more consistent than just playing small worlds or something.
11:38 Aromage Rosemary,: Gain lp = Pseudo enemy controler (Face-up only), higher hp = Sad flips during battle phase
1:09:10 Tenyi field will trigger if set monsters, but all that trouble for a conditional Pot of greed isn't worth imo
1:11:39 How dare you (lol), had been saved by it many times, & the trap is a equip to make your Cerberus scary, but isn't worth; Dholes lingering effect on the other hand... let's say is a link 3 with the name of a 3 headed dog for a reason
1:15:31 Subterror succession has been a favorite of mine (And a big Ash target), as it allows to search virtually anything (slower Virtual world, but at least doesn't banish from deck), as long as your list is built for it; mainly for Earth & Dark but even fire can fit the list
That Cupid into Green ninja line was smooth (Rikka Primula also has that "on resolution even if it wasn't there prior"), played with him alongside Labrynth furniture (Tindangle - Labrynth), but had to manually draw it, not to mention ignored the fact Scapeghost is a tuner and went for silly stuff like 4k @rrival
Is a shame that in MD, where I'm playing currently, instant fusion is banned, so while the video was informative, I'll do my best with these ideas (Forgot about Squamata > Incarnation), mainly through Cherubini... might come back here as didn't expect to see more fans of Akira Zaizen out there (Yes, Tindangle has hope, since is an anime deck)
Don't forget to leave the kitchen clean & tidy for the next cooking session, and have a great day
Im back in the lab and I can confidently say instant fusion is not necessary, there are other lines that go into guard + any flip, just requires more starters, more to follow in my next update.
A few years ago I used a deck randomizer and got a Krawler Slifer deck which was fun to play sadly I deleted the deck list.
Search soma via normal summon ze Amin. Can send resonance insect for diabolantis overlay into beeg sargas search lily equip and then send resonance to search for disco, add soma then regulus. Can summon soma with regulus up for a protected combo but alas if they had a hand trap they used it for foxy or lantis prolly. Combo is 1.5card on its own with a bunch of bricks but if you Lead e tele u can retain your normal. Maybe something to add to the pile lol.
Edit: assuming u normalled ze Amin you could send the level1 that banishes itself for a plant from hand instead of resonance insect after searching orphys
Wait. If u draw Romarin e tele thats a 2 card omni(regulus) body(sargas) and soma in hand. But since u pitched romarin for foxy u can send another plant (byplislp) to search for orphys while retaining your normal summon.
But Resonance is an insect and Therion Lily only equips plants to herself, if only there was an insect therion😔
Keeper of dragon magic can also add instant fusion but sadly cannot make cross sheep
I don't think most these strategies could work without borrelguard unless you hard open Book of Taiyou
Hey Nistro what do you think of the cards Time Reloader and Green Ninja? Both are generic Flip support extender that flip monsters face-down when summoned. Time Reloader can even be used during your opponents turn as interruption if you quick-flip your monsters. And it also has an reborn effect when flipped that then books a monster while Green Ninja can flip a monster up or down when sent to the GY.
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Still cooking with Reloader tho
@@TCGNistro And don't forget that you can also play other plant targets like Lily Borea or Cattycorn to search any field spell to access other engines if you start with Lonefire. Could maybe be useful if you play enough plants to play a 5 card Therion engine to give you an early negate. Superheavy Samurai into Diabolantis and therefore plants in the GY and also starts your engine and gives you Baronne access.
Did you seethe new flip TCG exclusive?! MimiGhoul? This video is killer btw!
Holy so sick, incredible flip series! you were talking about the type changing of symphonic warriors? I think wyrm could be super sick? Gives you access to baxia / chixiao?
Baxia is broken yeah that would be a great use of changing type
Ideas for lvl 9 flips.
Kaiju slumber, give yourself Thunder King
World Legacy Monstrosity + World Legacy Survivor + World Legacy Mind Meld + Deus-X
Gizmek Kaku
Beargram
Generaiders
Oh yeah that is a very obvious improvement over the previous version.
could u upload the prediction princess decklist?
amazing work!
I'll post an updated version of the prediction princess in the coming week
I’m glad tindangle have the showcase
I hope I can discover more for the deck as time goes on
My friend. Naturia tree helps to get to resonance insect same for insect imitation you have the predas a lv 3
For face-down you have 3 xyz if the deck can rank 4 or 7.
be a good idea to get guard dog within nibiru down. The more we can protect doggo the stronger this will all be. Deus-X flip is goated too
You can always summon doggo through nib you just won't be able to flip it on the opponents turn
Secret village is worth a worthy field spell tonprotect agains spell board vreakers specially super poly.
Been looking into Ophrys again since Raika was announced.
Raika is a whole different beast I'll explore more closer to its release date
16:24 "doesn't really work that well with the wanted engine"
Snake-Eye lets them resolve a single copy of Decatron at least 3 times in the same turn and gives the link material necessary to make Proxy F and then Flood, I think if you're not playing the Snake-Eye engine in Infernoid you're just throwing.
OCG stopped using snake eye in the topping infernoid lists, Snake eyes add a lot of versatility to the deck, but it will always be a monke mill deck at heart. I think that's why konami made the DT support the way they did.
@@TCGNistro I just find it hard to believe that its better to play a lot of cards that do little on their own rather than playing consistent one-card starters (that also increase your endboards' ceiling), besides its not like Infernoid is seeing that much play anyways, so a small sample size is definitely skewing those results.
@@fryenchill2817 Actually I was mislead because although road of the king did showcase infernoid lists doing well that had no snake eye support post phni/ terminal world, but a lot of lists that have topped since then were on snake eyes anyways, just 60 card grass horus mill variants of fire
Smart ideas
You should try the shs engine. You get the same number of bricks as with scorpio but you have 12 starters and 2 extra bodys. You have bike and prodigi which are 6 starters, the lvl 9 machina monster ehoch can search bike or shs wagon ehich can search soulgaya whoch makes gear hiant which searches bike. For the combo you for example use the lvl 9 machina. Search bike. search prodigi. Then special prodigi and place benkei. Benkei searches soulpiercer. Equip soulpiercer. Xou can then make beyoond the pemdulum. Search the new majespecter dracoslayer pend and anouther prodigi. Set prodigi in the pend zone. Then you can pend out the prodigi from extra and the majispector dracoslayer. Use the majispector dracoslayer to discard any card and sesrch clear world. Then you can ling into exeed the pendulum with any pend and beyoond. Exeed then gives you back the used pend monster and summons it. Then you can overlay both lvl 4s to make granite. Granite searches lord of the heavenly prison.Bery important then set clear world first before activating it. Now you activate clear world. Now a new chain begins.Because a set card was activated you can summon lord of the heavenly prison. And he triggers because he was revealed in hand by the effect of clear world because you have the light monster exeed the pendulum. So lord of the heavenly prison searches you instant fusion. You now can avtivate instant fusion and summon lord of ham. He summon any flio and then you can make with the link 3 and lord of ham the borrel link 4. And now you have the borrel link 4, lord of the heavenly prison, the granite and the set monster on the field. The best part is if you draw some of the pieces in this combo you can spare your normal. Drawing prodigi and either bike or piercer allows you to search soulgaya from the benkei which summons itself and then you equip the piercer to it to save your normal.
Guard dog in superheavy sounds viable ngl
Trying to recreate this combo now, how are you getting two searches off of beyond the pendulum?
@@mrparchy123 When you link off soulpiercer and Prodigy Wakaushi
@@mrparchy123 one search is from btp and one search is from the normal summoned piercer
idk if theres any type specific/ attribute in synchros thats worth. Outside of maybe Dark synchros?
Link 2 - 3 monsters have more generic type specific stuff
It's for potential links as well I'd have to see
This is interesting
The SMT 5 ost!
For plut with cupid you need a dark on field and crow
Would love to see any of these deck combos in an actual duel if possible? 😊
Damn I actually have to play YuGiOh now😔big sad😔😔
This gives me hope for other decks like fairy soup
What is this soup?😅
Using agents/darklords glued with shadow's light/duality and other stuff.
Which decklist was used for the "Strongest Flip Monster" section of the video? Would this deck be able to fit in the Secret Village of the spellcasters as a lock, as the combo requires no spell usage after the instant fusion? I know you mentioned an engine that could search any field spell, and someone in comments mentioned Secret Village, so that sounds really viable at locking if it could be consistent. Do you think the deck is worth pursuing (does combo/deck outright die to any specific hand traps? Could they be circumvented in some way)?
We're cooking up anti handtrap theory rn, but as of now it seems very vulnerable to ht's. Tho we have ways to search field spells if we open lonefire.
As for Scapeghost combos any list you see with scapeghost and the synchro climb package are very much what you can use to make the combo. All it takes is a single Scorpio
Am I dumb? Why doesn't Intruder have its mandatory effect activate upon being sent to grave off of jhrelth before it special summons itself face down?
@@DadJokeExpert It's the 'and if you do' part of Jhrelth's effect.
'And if you do' means Intruder is milled to the grave and Jhrelth are summoned simultaneously, meaning Intruder would not be in grave in time to trigger, effectively missing timing for its trigger.
@@TCGNistro TY! Sometimes I feel like I should go to law school reading this game
@@TCGNistro Also where would I find the decklist for the subterror variant?
@@DadJokeExpert Yeah here we are stressing away reading the psct of playing cards when we could be making 6 figures interpreting law documents incorrectly and still getting paid
Also I don't believe I locked in and made a subterror variant, I was too unfamiliar with guru control theory
Masterchef
Can you play though ash and other hand traps or are you basically dead if hit by 1?
In these lines it would be joever but we're cooking up solutions
Drop the Edo Pro link dude
Nistro, I'm falling in love bb! Just you wait, we gonna be best friends one day. You out here putting Gordon Ramsay to shame with your cooking skills!
Dinner and a movie??
Master of Ham meets Master of Cook
What about ghostricks?😢
Stay tuned😎
I hate the fact that none of these instant fusion combos will be MD legal because of Kitkallos
We cooking
Empty jar 2024!
I got an idea flip runick
Prediction princess runick is basically the best (easiest at least )way to play the deck
Still no penguin
In time my friend
Time to test MimiGhoul here
Get this man outta the kitchen, he keeps flipping all our pots over!
green ninja green ninja yeah red ninja red ninja yeah
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Green Nigga swooping down😂
NOT COPE
i wish i could cope in MD
I'm sorry MD sucks at balancing their game so insta had to take the fall🪦😔
But here me out, Deus X Krawler
We showed Deus in last video and he's solid
Orphys is broken always
Pls bro take your meds
But when I do the flip combos go away and then I'm all alone