Instinctive Shooting 101! - Sporting clays advice with Ed Solomons
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2023
- What is an instinctive shooter? Is it good to be one?
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stopped shooting, haven't missed a clay since, thanks cartridge prices!
I'm a completely new shooter, £70 for 250 seems not terrible to me, but out of curiosity, what did they cost previously?
@@JamesChurchill3 pre COVID you were getting 1000 for under 200 quid easily. Now the "cheap" stuff is 260 or more
@@dandylion1987That sounds about right, there's a lot of things that have had a 25-30% bump since COVID, I suppose no industry is immune to increases.
I can tell you the strategy I personally follow regarding cartridge purchasing. ALWAYS BE BUYING. It's the same as dollar cost averaging in investing, sometimes you buy on the dip and sometimes you buy high but it averages out. Another part of the strategy is to not try to time your buying as you will have times when you stop purchasing because you are waiting for it to go down etc... same with investing. Another point, what have you seen go DOWN in price lately? I mean back to the mean price (what it was 3 years ago), i have been purchasing case lots the exact same as always and the only thing that has interrupted the process is availability of the brand and model of shell I like to shoot but I never purchase what I don't want to shoot just because they have them in stock. Just delay purchase until they are avail and buy then. Pretty soon you have enough inventory to weather any storm of availability\price whatever. This is the same process for investing and saving!
25 quid a slab when I started
Nice to see Mr Solomons back on the channel, cracking bloke! Bring back the Solomon’s and Carter vids please 🙏 😉 great filming sash
Excellent video. Ed is brilliant shooter/instructor and a great communicator. Wish I had the time and money to workout with him.
As always, an excellent video. Always enjoy when either Ed is on the channel. Knowledgable and seem like great blokes.
Also glad Ed said the old chestnut of “I don’t even see a barrel” is a load of bollocks too, always suspected it was
Ed has a way of explaining the technique of properly shooting a clay- like no other I've ever seen. His way of connecting to a shooter- and working out the small details to help that shooter develop proper mount/eye work combined with consistency shot after shot is key. What a great video gentlemen. Minor adjustments in learning to read the target line/speed is so much better than walking up, loading your gun, and hoping (praying) you spray enough shot out there to hit something. Thats why Ed is a seasoned professional shooter/coach. Wished I could spend a day with you chaps. Thanks from Missouri, USA.
The athleticism and hard focus upon the clay of "instinctive" versus the analysis and barrel awareness employed by "method" - it's good to see the challenge of shooting for score made plain (and to see a lot of taboos and habitual assumptions shattered). This vid gives me confidence that it's learnable, at least to some extent.
I've watched a few of these great videos now. All sound theories, having a plan and using the right tools for the job, I'll be doing my best to put it into practise. Lucky for you aswell having these guys to yourself for your own improvements. Because as you know, two Eds are better than one!
Fantastic video and free too! This is what's it's all about.........technical aspects of shooting! 👍👍👍👍
Fascinating subject. I`m a hopeless clay shot because I commit the cardinal sin of shooting the first pair instinctively, and then trying to repeat what I just did. It doesn`t work! However, as a woodpigeon over decoys shot I manage to hit about 75% of the birds I engage. These are shots at all ranges and angles with no two birds ever truly being the same. I shoot them all "instinctively" with a fast handling side by side. I`d be curious to see how clay shooters, using techniques evolved from that sport would fare under similar circumstances.
Love the analysis. These three have covered all the bases.
This channel with these gentlemen never, ever disappoint! I would love to take a series of lessons from Solomons. Years ago I had some great lessons from Dan Carlisle but I think I could connect better with Ed’ approach at this stage of my life
watching & listening to professionals is a bless ... good job guys.
The value of knowledge offered here in this video is immense. Will have to watch this again after my next shoot.
Aye up mate another great video! mr Solomons talks so much sense i remember being told you shouldnt see the barrel its never made much sense to me ! Quality yet again
Finesse vs Power. Room for both depending on the shot. I am only 7 months into these games and this video taught me more than I have learned altogether. Amazing! EXCELLENT video.
Ed is an excellent instructor, explains things carefully and clearly... great channel.....ive enjoyed the shotgun talk
Well this has blown my mind........ AGAIN ;)
Great content gents, absolutely love it.
IMO, Instinctive shooting is shooting unconsciously. Just as Ed said someone could walk up and shoot a pair they haven’t seen and break them. Then on the second pair they are still trying figure out how the first pair was executed. Now they are shooting consciously and trying to correct the shot while the targets in the air. Result in a poor shoot and lost targets.
The conscious part of sporting clays is seeing the pair to be shot, make a plan to break the pair, commit to plan and close the gun. Then the subconscious takes over to execute the plan with hard focus on the target and barrel awareness. By having the target focus and barrel awareness, and the target does not break, you should now be able to replay the shot and make a new plan to correct the shot.
The difficulty lies in repeating the process two,three, or four more times when then first pair breaks. Mental focus….
Eddie with a 12 bore on the shoulder and a 4 bore on each arm 💪💪
Look at my arms everybody, and to help you out I’m going to wear a very short arm t-shirt. Ok Ed you work out , but seriously..
Another top drawer video. I find that I must be doing things too instinctively. The fast quartering birds are easier than crossers for sure
Great information! Age does play a part in things
Brilliant video. Explains a lot
Interesting, I learned instinctive shooting from the field while looking for pheasants and a few ducks. I hardly ever shoot trap or skeet (pattern shooting), being able to blend techniques and having a capable instructor would give you the best of both worlds.
One of the best clay shooting videos I’ve ever seen but most novice or intermediate shooters, will not understand the details. ❤
Thoroughly enjoy your channel and have learned many nuances, thank you. I do not shoot any competitions, just clay practice and game (upland, pheasant, ducks). I shoot older Beretta SxS’s in 12, 20, and 410. I am curious why the whole world is over under, and SxS are not used. I love the SxS sight picture. But there must be some science or engineering that led to the over under dominance. Any thoughts or comments?
As a new shooter very interesting, explains a lot
A very interesting video. This explains why I fall apart on the difficult clays and high Pheasants. I struggle to judge lead and work out where the gun should be when the trigger is pulled. Perhaps a lesson with Mr Solomon’s and Mr Lyon’s is required?
😂 omg I thought that I was watching Gandalf talk to Sam and Frodo in the Lord of The Rings for the first 17 seconds. Something about the way you set up the shot. Love your content. Keep making great vids!
Po-ta-toes!
Excellent video. The correct approach in shooting clays. Ed just explains it so well, can Ed explain the barrel sit picture in more detail. when i try and do this my focus goes more to the barrel, i stop the gun and miss. I would call myself an instinctive shooter, when i shoot well i see no barrels or lead. I shoot mostly at game and it works very well for me. Can you please do the same video on a game shoot so we can see first hand this approach work?
Ed talked about shooting high incoming pheasants using his method of shooting. Should a good game shot be on a 3.1 ratio! in clay terms C or B Class !
I think the 2 Ed's need to try rally clays and compare that to instinctive shooting
Looks great fun!
Instinctive shooting or snap shooting seeing the target with limited time ,as gun hits shoulder pretty much pull trigger ,with a lot of time you would probably instinctively use a method you think would work 🤔
Is it me or is Johnny’s gun looking more and more like the A10 AMERICAN he reviewed in the states both lovely guns
Clay shooting is like playing snooker ,Game shooting is like playing pool.
Personally i have a great snooker cue "gun"use it well and i enjoy using it with mates on a snooker day and win nothing.
But i use my pool cue"gun" a lot more often down the pub and shoot game or get pints bought for me regularly.
A perfect analogy for me with shooting clays and game.
The good thing is that shooting has something for everybody,It is a great sport for self discipline and focus.
And anybody can enjoy all disciplines.
I’d love to have a session with these 3
great vid great analogies' game/ clays are ed and ed auditioning for a future bond movie ? johnny could play the villain 🤣 great video enjoyed it !!
Beginners/ moderate level shooters are all instinctive as they learn the reading of targets, mount and swing etc, to some degree you carry that on as some targets just require you to find a line, swing and squeeze, some low crossers you have so little time you really are relying on correct line and hoping you have a lead on the target as sight picture just isn't there to be had, which is probably another discussion on gun speed vs actual visual lead
Johnny will you be making the trip to nationals this year?
What gun are you shooting here tried to find a video on it, it’s absolutely beautiful shotgun
X 2 of the snappiest dressers in shooting . Sartorial perfection..............
Team Ed💪
This is the third time I've watched this now, as I am slipping into "instinctive" too much and it's starting to cause me issues. I also feel I need a heavier gun, to slow me down....Mmmm Browning Pro Sport maybe?
Oh and as an aside.... bumped into Ed at Churchill's this week...... he's taller than I expected! 🤣🤣
A true challenge would have been to give all 3 an off the shelf ata or yildiz and a slab of cheap club cartridges and see how they get on 👍🏻👍🏻
Are Jonny's and Ed's pants the same size? :D
I was a really terrible shot, until a friend gave me a 28g sXs, and suddenly I started hitting everything. I’ve always thought it was because I was shooting instinctively
👍 👍 💯
Would dtl class as pure instictive shooting or would there be some sort of method involved?
Great question - I’m seeing the best DTL shooter ever in a couple of weeks so will ask him!
60% of the time it works every time 😁
My understanding of instincive is obviously different to everyone else. But someone who shoots instincively may already have learnt these skills instincively. I have met a few old gamekeepers that never had any tuition but instinctively could shoot things most people couldnt, surely if the method gets repeatable results who is complaining?
Maybe the word reactive fits what they are describing better.
If i am right handed and left eye dominant what kind of shotgun should i use? Thanks for any tips.
A left handed one, shot off your left shoulder
Very good video
Please please please buy lot 1603 inthe next holts auction that would be a definite for your collection and would make for a very watched video i guarantee
Who makes the tweed waiscoat?
Purdey
That Teal ate Ed's lunch
Anyone have any idea what sunglasses those orange ones are?
Edwards Eyewear Hiroki2 with Saffron lenses
Hmm...
On the one hand, I think you've made a bit a bit of a straw man argument. The "instinctive" proponents assume mastery will require quite a bit of training. Hardly a case of sending one's mum out to have a crack at it.
On the other hand, they go on so about the virtue of being oblivious to one's barrel that I'm surprised they don't put an occlusion dot on BOTH their lenses.
Slightly off topic here but given who is presenting, you have some serious skills here so I thought I’d ask. I have been shooting sporting for just over half a year. I thought I had issues with my eyes but now I think it’s cartridge choice. I say this as I keep switching to try find something I love. So… the question. If I use a cartridge that fires at 1300 fps and learn to hit a few particular targets, then switch to a cartridge that fires at 1500 fps, does it make a massive difference?
I would disagree with that. You can have a cartridge that throws 1500fps and it "blows" the pattern then there's no point. I've found that shooting cheaper cartridges and more upmarket is a very marginal difference. I shot the British open this year and it was only on one stand I dug into my bag for higher velocity 7s. People will fall into the mindset that if I use more expensive cartridges and a cartridge with a higher FPS they'll hit more. Totally wrong
No difference at all
@@danielrees8839apologies if this came of wrong. I wasn’t asking if you agree or disagree. Just asking if anyone thinks it makes a difference. I don’t only shoot expensive either. I’m trying to find something to blame for my poor scores 😅😂😊
@@johnrocha3463 as stated I totally disagree that using more expensive means you hit more
Invest the cost difference between the cartridges for a good coach to set you straight, it will pay off in the long run
I hope a Cyril Brewster is watching this!
He knows better than World Champions.
@@TheMadgit try again
@@twinpotracer I hope you realised my sarcasm
@@TheMadgit yes, of course 😂
Johnny were you standing on a box . Feel sorry for the camera man trying to get everyone in shot
No, Ed is only 5’7
@@tgsoutdoors😂😂😂
I have a hard time focusing on what they are saying because their muzzle discipline is horrible while they are standing around talking about how good they are.
Wait until you see my bladder discipline
Accuracy through volume 😆
If you can throw a ball or point a finger at something, that's instinctive. 99% of those who remove a sight bead will shoot better once they learn that a sight bead is nearly useless and mostly a handicap.look where you shoot not at a bead.
Catching a ball analogy is completely wrong.
A better analogy is passing a ball to a teammate who is running full sprint up the wing.
Agreed. There are lots of silly and irrelevant analogies used in shooting that just aren’t helpful!
need to listen to David Radulovich "the journey" podcast --- feels the americans have a better maturity of the science around the sport which is surprising. Mental management, Proprioceptive awareness, etc ... a lot of opinions and vudo here as opposed to any type of science.
Shall we make the next one like the old L’Oreal adverts?
Not sure about the gentle art of Vudo, but there are lots of content creators with black belts in Bullshitto…
@@edlyonssportsvision9197 Is it worth it?
I must disagree that we Americans have the concept of proprioceptive awareness correct. The concept is taught to new shooters but I don’t think it is correct for sporting clays. I believe Ed and Ed are more correct. An analogy used here is a batter watching an incoming baseball. The batter is supposed to see the details of the ball. I find this a poor analogy because even pro batters only hit 25% of the pitches. Cricket may be different but similar. Tennis is same but batting baseball or pro tennis takes years to learn. A new shooter doesn’t want to spend years and years frustrated over hitting clays. The worst I heard is an instructor told his student that he just wasn’t looking “hard” enough at the target! He needed to look harder! What BS.
An added comment. Ed said that instinctively shooting can be learned. I think he is correct but you must shoot something like 30,000 to 40,000 shells a year like some pros, you will get better and better.
I’m of the belief that these guys don’t shoot instinctively or haven’t so don’t understand it. It’s not flinging your gun around. It’s automation. I know that sounds pompous and I have no idea of their background, but many top athletes state their optimum performance is a state of “flow”. Things just happen and work. Almost an
out of body experience. I’ve always heard when learning to shoot from very skilled shooters is that the brain knows what to do, but your mind will stop it from happening. Credit to these people, but when I started competing, I was never beat by any of them for the years I competed in western Canada. It’s not to say what they said was wrong, it’s that in my prime everything worked and I felt I wasn’t thinking about it. This is where gun fit, stance, and swing is 100% important. And I have a diff stance than many (more squared off vs rifle shooting) I always refrained from listening people talk about shots. I turned off electronic muffs or doubled ear protection because the less I thought about the target, the better. If I started aiming and making mental measurements, or hear other people do it, I knew it wasn’t working. People ask when I clean stands where I was aiming and often couldn’t answer the question. I’d honestly would have liked to shoot with these guys when I was shooting often to compare thoughts. Sadly these days I haven’t been shooting at all.
I’d be interested to hear your competitive/coaching credentials sir?
@@K80Ed again, I was trying to be respectful as there are many methods to the sport of sporting clays. We have numerous well accredited coaches in our area, and can say I’ve beat them all in every competition they attended that I was shooting. By no means saying I’m something special, but again, more than one way to a given result.
Additionally, coaching is instructing. How do you instruct instinctive shooting. Coaching calculated, measurable methods can be quantified. I’m not saying this is wrong. It forms a basis of learning. Like institutions teaching theory but not field work. Instinctive shooting comes from 10’s of thousands of trigger pulls with limited or no variables (gun, stance, etc). I ALWAYS wore the same shoes, the same shooting jacket, and minimal layers for warmth. All all these things adjust your stance and fit.
@@Shibby13499431many ways indeed, but if you want to disagree with a guy who has not only won a world championship, but coached numerous others to do the same it would be interesting to know the point of reference from which you were speaking from.
National level? International? Just curious..
@@K80Ed I guess there is only one way to do things..
As an instructor myself, most of what they tell you is rubbish. Then again so is instinctive shooting. Anyone can learn to shoot well with nothing but practice. You can learn faster by having good fundamentals either from a coach or watching others and creating your personal style, but if you want to be a winner, I’ll take a fit athletic person that practices over a coached clumsy fellow that also practices every time.
Going off your first sentence I’m sure we’d all be keen to hear your credentials, how many of your students have gone on to win/shoot at national level etc.
I’ll wait…
Well I’ve had three different teams of 5 win a National championship and 40-50 maybe more get collegiate scholarships. Thanks for waiting 👍🏼
I was thinking more in the big boy league, not one of the college level championships 🤣
Sorry I offended you. I did say most, I didn’t say everything. I also mentioned are importance in making sure beginners acquire the fundamentals. Take any top shooters at whatever level you want and I’m sure you’ll agree that they all have their individual styles that THEY learned. Quality instructors know this. Sorry that a National Championship wasn’t top tier enough for you. I’m pretty certain you’d agree with me if we were sitting at a pub talking about it versus coming to a conclusion based off of a couple of possibly poor worded sentences on a RUclips post. Anyway cheers 🍻