Ultimate Guard Presents The Las Vegas Vintage Cube Draft LIVE
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2025
- Join myself and BK as we cover the LIVE Vintage Cube Draft in Las Vegas - don't miss the chance to watch some sick power get opened! Huge shoutout to Ultimate Guard for putting on such an incredible event, this was a blast to watch.
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LSV's memory recall in this draft is off the charts. Providing strong banter/commentary while having the highlights of basically every deck in the cube is insane.
The ability of Luis to remember what everyone picked is impressive, I would have been completely lost without the commentary!
No kidding! (Note to self: I gotta work on that)
This is like watching Pascal's goyf 5 times per pack
😂😂
It's so funny to remember that this was a major controversy.
Omg I wish I could forget that 'incident'. So ridiculous how people acted. Smhhh
Haha! True
i lost all respect for pascal when he made that pick
LSV is such a professional when it comes to MTG casting and public speaking. I'm so glad I got to see the draft through his eyes!
I couldn't agree more! And I am happy Luis saw the comment ;)
imagine your blood pressure when you’re on first pick and they start flipping up cards YEESH
I know the feeling from the beta draft I did - insane amounts of adrenaline
My aspiration is to win my way to an event like this as an organised play unknown and have LSV commentate me based on characteristics "tie dye guy" or "grave titan guy".
My favorite part was when some of their picks were so bad that LSV questioned whether they've ever won a vintage cube draft before
LSV commentated me for the online Eternal card game once and I still think back and smile that it actually happened.
So funny to see Luis and BK losing their minds over this. Not to say I wasn't in disbelief over the same picks.
"Don't you have to be good at cube to be here?" says lsv while on a generational losing streak
Well he’s not there so he can say that about the ones who are. It’s a good point, like, Grave Titan over Bloodstained Mire but also Griselgrand didn’t get picked?
@@Japhro77 ...On a losing streak against very good players who cube multple times a day. 😅
It's wild to me how LSV actually tracked what everyone was on the whole way through. 😮 It was even wild to BK, who said as much.
Also, I'm excited to see Grave Titan guy take it all down with ol' Gravy T.
Love Martin Juza. Been watching him for a long time and am so glad for his part in making this happen. Really has been an amazing event. Thank you and BK for covering this with such genuine excitement. Was a very unique experience, even through all the beats.
As an aside, I think apart from having a good memory, it makes it way easier to remember when you think of the archetype and cards you already naturally associate with that than to memorize cards individually. It’s part of what makes LSV so good at magic. He sees decks as their objective for winning and the cards that make that happen, rather than just memorize a deck list (although with a good memory you can do that too😅)
This is the best thing in magic this year, and it has been one of the best years in magic. Thanks for streaming it and take care of your health guys.
Love the joke of putting Unexpectedly Absent as the last card
You just know they 999% did that intentionally.
The beautiful long lost art of Rochester! Old school!!! I didn’t know people still played this way! Thanks for the vid!
LSV being surprised when people draft $500 bills instead of what's best for their deck for an hour straight.
Just imagine the exultation you would feel as just a regular person opening up and putting a piece of power in your binder.
Foil Elvish Mystic, signed
Hallowed Fountain, original printing
Random mountain from that one draft you won by drawing it to slam your bomb.
Black Lotus, unlimited
Stormcrow token
Whole thing was awesome. I remember playing against Luis salvatto in a side event at GP Los Angeles. I haven’t heard the words dragonlord atarka since that weekend.
It was fun watching the video and having a small memory pop up.
As always, gracias para todo.
Such a fun draft to watch. That family needs to go into the nearest casino and make a bet, good lord the luck.
It's probably better that they quit while they're ahead. 😆
This truly seems like a once in a lifetime kind of event. Thanks for covering this!
I loved how people were just flicking and throwing cards that are legitimately expensive at each other. It's like watching old coverage of non-sleeved decks being bridged shuffled.
They all handled the truly expensive cards differently (all the power was handled carefully), they just have a different threshold for what they consider expensive.
you can't play those older formats if you are scared of handling the cards.
22:15 "Yup I'm Brian Kibler. I love my dog."
Agree with BK, the memory game Luis displays here is definitely impressive.
one of the most badass events I've ever seen, so cool to watch. can't wait for the games tomorrow
the "Unexpectedly Absent" in the power slot was peak
I'm glad about which person opened Black Lotus. His reaction was very endearing.
Name's Rex apparently. The mono white going into RW player with the grey hair. He and his son Luca (ginger guy to his right) kind of ran away with the power in the draft!
@@Kettwiesel25 I know his name. I was trying to avoid spoilers...
@@blackdog9698919 you literally said he opened black lotus...
Father and Son drafting this cool ass format together. That's awesome.
I mean the father and sun basically got like 1/3 of a vintage cube between themselves already lol
Regardless of the money picks, some of these players MUST have gotten insanely lucky to qualify. You can not justify some of these picks come on.
@elmaster65 Rochester draft is a whole nother animal of a draft. Not that I don’t agree with some of the picks, but you can see who’s picking what and you are only seeing 1 pack at a time.
Reading through the player bios, several (two or three if I recall) of them qualified on their very first attempts. There was definitely some luck involved.
@@davidkarr3535 Well that logic doesn't work too well. Taking fewer attempts is more suggestive of skill than taking more attempts.
There's a heavy luck element involved in any limited event but it's pretty disingenuous to imply that any of the players at this table are bad at magic or cube drafting. You don't qualify for an event like this on accident.
Their win-rates (and brief bios) are on Ultimate Guard's website, most of them have 55-60% win-rates with the vintage cube, which is basically what LSV is currently at. Something like half have GP or PT finishes.
It's so cool to finally see those commenters who've been talking smack about every LSV draft for months now!
Wait... they're not here? Weird.
Grave Titan was a wild pick. I'm not gonna lie, lol.
And he was thus forever known as “grave titan guy”
There must be some rational thing to explain the irrationality of the pick.
Maybe the card is his lucky charm, who knows?
His other picks weren't that wild, I mean everyone has a tier list that's more or less similar...
its not even more expensive
It's not an insane pick. I think Luis was half joking when he made fun of him, but yeah mire was definitely the correct pick.
I mean I agree with you. But in his defense, the worse that decks are the better Grave Titan gets. And these decks will be worse than regular cube decks. Maybe Grave Titan guy thought this through.
I could not agree more about the Taiga pick. Absolutely wild. 🤢
Such great commentary!
That was so awesome to watch
Loved this. Happy to get to see it!
I actually screamed at some of the power opens
So is it mox sapphire, pearl and ruby as power that didn't get opened?
Yeah and I don't think we saw a sol ring either.
Marshall was showing off the cards that hadn't been opened in a trade binder at the end of the video.
Oh, never looked into Rochester drafts before, would be cool do one of those if that is even possible on you guys' site.
wow what an insane event to witness live
One of the coolest magic events in a while.
I love how they did the prizes w.r.t. the 1/3 of the cube not in there.
1:01:32 not just paid actors, HIGHLY paid actors lmaoooo
Man I’m old enough to remember when coalition relic was good
do the players get the option to play proxies or do they have to shuffle up the power they opened???
22:07 lsv always throwing shade. Lol
Bro WHAT?!!? That kid and his dad got all the power?!) roflll id be fuckin malding and crying if I was at that table. Omg 😭
Hey LSV, not sure if you'll see this BUT... Could you make a video somewhere responding to the recent rule changes? I really want to know what you think
What cube list is this? Lookes nothing like the lists you guys usually play teams with? 🤔
great coverage! what about the matches?
Happening tonight, catch em on my twitch or wait until tomorrow where I’ll upload here
I think this should be a one day event because otherwise everybody is going to know everybody else's decks and sideboard but I get it
Wow, I thought this was going to be the MTGO version of the cube. This one is full of weird unexpected cards.
Some of the cards were Unexpectedly Absent.
Magic is a gamblers game. Luck is always a factor. Whether it be opening power or winning your way into the live event on your first try 👀
Do we have the exact list of this Cube? Is this MOL cube?
Only 8 minutes in and i can feel the salt building from these two 😂
@lsv Thank you for not mentioning spoilers in title for the video, made the reveal on the lotus a great surprise!
anyone have the cube list?
As an old timer, I still like Rochester a lot.
I'd be curious to see what the picks would have been if the monetary element wasn't involved.
Go for the money picks - that's what we're all here for right?
super sick
You meant the best lands excluding island right?
i didnt even know it was on. i watched worlds yeterday and nothing said anything about the vintage draft
The Vegas Magic-con is separate from but adjacent to Worlds
It was mentioned at the end of day 1 broadcast just didn't know where to watch it.
Thank you. Who won? I mean what deck won?
this cube list seems like its 6 years from the past minimum
They put in more combo and stuff to show off cube strategies I assume. As Aggro is strong in current iterations it would lead to less entertaining gameplay.
Honestly, the experience of the event + doing well in it (maybe even win it) would be worth more to me than rarepicking.
I mean I do get it and if I was there I would be glad others do it and make my picks better.
Picking the Grave Titan over Bloodstained Mire and Fury was wild.
I mean how on earth can you pick like that and be at this event???
Money draft. I’d prefer skill drafting but the idea is great. How do we get the best of both worlds?
Something like a normal draft, then a draft of the entire cube where your performance gives you some kind of advantage, like pick order or something. The thing is it's probably not as exciting for streaming.
I think of this draft as more as the price for the players who managed to even qualify which was like a 1:8000 chance (per entry into the seed league).
Maybe they could have also done coverage for the qualifiers or something.
Personally I find money drafting pretty interesting to watch at high level events. Goyf over helix is still one of the most memorable magic draft moments of all time.
BK was savage at 45:52
I couldn't imagine making it all the way to these finals just to watch 2 players get all the money cards. Lol
So when is BK going to make a RUclips channel?
I'd love more BK content, but he obviously has other things he'd rather do.
7:03. I’ve commented this before, but several of these players qualified on their very first tries (according to their player bios). There was a lot of luck involved to get this far.
Of course, a more skilled player will take fewer attempts, so that demonstrates the opposite of what you're suggesting. Taking a large number of attempts would be more indicative of luck
So how does this draft work drafting face up? Ive never seen revealed info like this during a draft.
This is the original and best draft format invented by Garfield. The Rochester.
It was replaced because it takes too much time.
Anyone know why they aren't using the mtgo cube that everyone qualified with? Seems a bit bizarre to me.
Will you be taking time off once the the twins get here?? I'll keep watching either way :).
I’ll have a video about that up early next week (short answer is yes)
It is hard to call a game a contest of skill when the players admittedly prioritize getting paid rather than choosing to win (I am referring to what you claimed was a ubiquitous decision to choose time twister over demonic tutor)
Believing chat when they undervalue Diamond by $200.
Nice
BK kinda looks like chris taylor on the dodgers
The deck boxes look like they are themed after Kenny from South Park
Marshall also has a deck box that looks like Kyle. Probably some ultimate guard product placement.
I hope the guy who picked the Taiga ended up in last place. The absolute greed lol
Yeah that pick was nuts, especially given what he'd already opened! 😆
I think the crazy pics are because you have to get an insanely busted deck to win. Screw consistency, you just have to roll the dice.
I don't think that's true, average level seemed relatively low.
But Luca opening Ancestral, Mox Jet and Time Walk supported by Snapcaster and Spellseeker is really strong.
If I was at the table I would try to go for combo, because Luca's deck is unbeatable with a fair deck I feel.
Maybe with an uber aggro deck, but this cube was way less aggro than the current one.
Apart from the power I wish all these players would prioritize the strength of their own deck more.
The experience of the event + the chance of winning it is worth more than money I strongly feel.
so surprised it's a different cube unless I've gone crazy, but I guess they wanted more spice
Definitely wild that they went with Rochester for this… a format that taxed the abilities of the best players from early days of the game … also was individual Rochester a thing very much back in the day? I remember it was always a team format
Wild? Makes perfect sense from a coverage standpoint. How fun or exciting would "Oh, and the person next to the person we were following opened Time Walk but we weren't following them at the time." while you follow someone picking Grave Titan?
@thegregoryodd back in the day the top 8 of many limited events would be Rochester draft. I remember back in like 2001 or somewhere near there watching the final 8 draft that way and thought to myself holy cow you know every pick from your neighbors you could really screw them, but keep in mind every hate pick ends up hurting the quality of your deck.
Did sapphire and pearl not come out?
no, they were in the unopened packs so are in the binder they showed, and will be part of the prize drafting at the end.
Some of the picks were questionable...for the cube list as well. A lot of cards there that got cut for honestly power level reasons quite some time ago, 2-3 years range...maybe they're expensive-ish money draft cards and I just don't know? Bitterblossom, mindslaver and jackal pup come to mind.
Or are there just recent sets they can't get paper cards for for some reason, and they have to find suboptimal replacements?
The power opens were great, seeding them at the back of the packs was pretty smart, felt like it helped keep the tension for the whole pack vs opening it first and now the rest of the pack is whatever.
There's an article from Ryan Spain on the MTG website about it. They wanted to curate for nostalgia as well, so a lot of powerful newer cards (Minsc & Boo, Hullbreacher, Bowmasters, Bombardiers, Gut, etc) were cut in favor of more nostalgic cube archetypes like Splinter Twin & Staxx.
Luca opened amazing, what a luck box LOL
He also drafted very well, but the Taiga pick was really, really tilting me.
He opened such value already and the Polluted Delta would make his deck much better.
I think it's also slightly rude to the other players that didn't open power or much value, let them have some crumbs at least.
Maybe I'm a bit biased because I really dislike rare picking and hate drafting, especially on the cost of your own deck.
Rochester drafts seem really nice, because there's an extra skill needed to do well.
Obviously one could be really bad at it, but open power and still have a decent deck...
If you can remember it all it makes a lot of difference.
But the biggest gain is when you are aware of which colours and strategies drafters are likely on.
Literally knowing every card compared to that has only a slight extra benefit.
I don't have a problem with players drafting for cash at an event like this, but that Taiga pick was egregious. I don't know how to do the maths on this, but I wouldn't be surpised if that pick was actually negative EV.
Wedding rings the new fidget spinners
Eureka is in fact pretty expensive.
Also... why is this cube so weak? So many of the cards in the list were super out of date for a vintage cube. The power level on cards was like a cube built in 2016
I wouldn't be surprised if that cube is actually more fun that the current ones.
BK :)
39:40 black lotus
So were the packs seeded?
Since each piece of power was always the last card revealed?
Most likely not seeded. Once they took out packs, they could've looked at the cards and chosen to put the power in the last slot. That's the more likely thing.
There were at least two packs where the power was not the last card revealed.
@@bondeulv I think they may well have been seeded for the signed cards, but other than that probably not.
I think he took the grave titan over Fetch because it's a bonkers card in a stalled board state, and every deck here is going to be much worse than a normal vintage cube deck because people are taking expensive cards they won't play like Moat and Candelabra.
That guy’s complaint equity ruined for life.
What is this cameraman doing?!
I think geas cradle is the best land ever
Over tolarian?
@@monolith94 it’s a coin flip which one is legit the best but just for me
Personally I’d take cradle
man this father son pair hates drafts each other more than 2 randos
This isn't even a cube draft. More of opening cube packs and taking the most expensive card. lol
How does this format work anyway?
This is so silly to watch lmao
This was crazy… the draft was robbed 😂
Why is it such a weird draft format?
Probably coverage? Use your brain.
It's good for coverage because it's easy for the viewers to see what's going on.
i like doing tenchesters with 4 people.
I feel like this would have been much better as a phantom draft.
Part of the spectacle is seeing someone open a Black Lotus that they actually get to keep. Besides, the 'rare drafting' adds a different dynamic and makes the draft go in directions you wouldn't necessarily expect.
@@sjake8308 yeah you are right. The thing I didn't think about either is wotc doesn't care about the event being fair or good competition. They just want it to be a spectacle. I actually bet that lotus was guarenteed to be in the drafting.