Elite's Square, Justo 2, and Avanti: Eurobike Hands-On!

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  • Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
  • Here's your first look at the Elite Square smart bike, Elite Justo 2 and Elite Avanti smart trainers. I dive into the specs, how they differ from both years past, as well as the Zwift Ride, and plenty more! Don't miss out on all the Eurobike tech!
    #EliteSquare #EliteAvanti #EliteJusto2 #Eurobike

Комментарии • 91

  • @willbert7715
    @willbert7715 2 месяца назад +36

    imho the first "smart bike" thats a thing.
    the belt drive is massive. no more noise, no more dirt, no chain cleaning for a static home ride bike and the adjustability is everything you need and as simple as possible. the idea to have a belt drive cassette is absolutely massive.

    • @Maxwaehrens
      @Maxwaehrens 2 месяца назад +1

      Also no more chain lube drying out when the hometrainer is setup in your ambient temperature room/livingroom!

    • @ZRaceCentral
      @ZRaceCentral 2 месяца назад

      Agreed

    • @BrentNeal1979
      @BrentNeal1979 2 месяца назад

      Zwift not offering a belt drive version for their Hub and Ride was a massive miss, and I could not be happier to see Elite do the logical step by adding it. Awesome news.

    • @kennethdarlington
      @kennethdarlington 2 месяца назад

      But considering thethat with the Trainer unit it is not more affordable then Wahoo Bike Ride, for example. Which is one unit belt drive smart bike

    • @ZRaceCentral
      @ZRaceCentral 2 месяца назад

      @@kennethdarlington it will likely come out to be 500 less than the kickr bike shift

  • @wandatowellable
    @wandatowellable 2 месяца назад +21

    God damn it Ray, I was just about to head to work.

  • @pghampton
    @pghampton 2 месяца назад +7

    That's the first smart bike I've seen that appears to be better all round for indoors than my Kickr+Climb+road bike setup.

  • @oatmonster
    @oatmonster 2 месяца назад +33

    The square looks like it has a lot of the features that the Zwift Ride shoulda shipped with (belt drive, riser, adjustable cranks). But man is it ugly AF, looks more like a prototype than a finished product

    • @adamweb
      @adamweb 2 месяца назад +3

      I’m waiting for The Elite Octagon

    • @nerooweb
      @nerooweb 2 месяца назад +1

      @@adamweb i just googled it and now i feel super stupid

    • @SpuddyIRL
      @SpuddyIRL Месяц назад

      @@nerooweb why do you feel stupid ??

  • @sascha1778
    @sascha1778 2 месяца назад +1

    Welcome back to Frankfurt. Great to have you back in town and thanks for the great coverage 😊

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker  2 месяца назад +1

      I needed more sausage and pretzels in my life. :)

  • @jefffarmer9200
    @jefffarmer9200 2 месяца назад

    The Justo and Avanti are giving me home projector vibes with that design! Love the belt drive on the Square.

  • @klewis2048
    @klewis2048 2 месяца назад +5

    "more sports tech stuff in about 1 hour from now" 🤣
    the belt drive on this frame thing is probably the most interesting thing about it.

  • @_xnk7257
    @_xnk7257 2 месяца назад +3

    this looks like a more complete solution than the Zwift / Caveworks. Belt drive is a great idea

  • @cyclewise6926
    @cyclewise6926 Месяц назад +1

    Peering into my crystal ball, I am seeing an Avanti coming into my life next winter

  • @cbenson513
    @cbenson513 2 месяца назад

    As a new ZRide owner there's two features here I'd like, the Garmin mount and adjustable crank length, and one I'd love (belt drive). It doesn't compete directly with the ZRide given the price. I do really like that the "smart" part of the ZRide is essentially just the bar controller/levers, so it should be easy to replace (and potentially upgrade). Great to see more competition and innovation with smart bikes!

  • @SonnyDarvishzadeh
    @SonnyDarvishzadeh 2 месяца назад +2

    Belt choice is smart since quite a good chunk of noise is from chain-based drivetrain.

  • @fabianmolyneux2308
    @fabianmolyneux2308 2 месяца назад

    The Elite Square has got my interest. Really keen to see and hear your review. It certainly looks a better option than the Zwift bike . However, it all hangs on price and what you get. Thanks

  • @DanceTurbo
    @DanceTurbo Месяц назад

    When you test these trainers, please make sure to test them in COLD conditions too for power accuracy. I was burned this year with my Wahoo Core overreading my power in the realm of 30-40 watts in a cold environment.

  • @kevinm7219
    @kevinm7219 2 месяца назад

    The Zwift Ride intrigued me, but fell flat on many things I would want. This I might get a Gen 1 of this though. Looking forward to you doing a full hands on review of it after testing it out. They need to send you one asap.

  • @paolomorandi8618
    @paolomorandi8618 2 месяца назад

    Great video Ray, thanks!

  • @GregJC
    @GregJC 2 месяца назад +3

    This one wins easily in functionality but the Zwift Ride definitely wins on looks

    • @elleffeff
      @elleffeff 2 месяца назад +1

      Disagree. Italian design almost always wins. The square rules the smart bike scene.

  • @marcomarini6692
    @marcomarini6692 2 месяца назад

    The square seems like the perfect bike for a bike fitter, so much adjustability, it’s only missing adjustable handlebars

  • @frankhugh2052
    @frankhugh2052 2 месяца назад +2

    Head of R&D for the Zwift Ride is having a rough day today

  • @thisstuschannel
    @thisstuschannel 2 месяца назад +6

    Is Shane playing cameraman again?
    Can the belt drive work with non Zwift programs?

    • @Gufolicious
      @Gufolicious 2 месяца назад

      I dont know what drugs you are taking mate but your question is as stupid as it gets.

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker  2 месяца назад +2

      He was indeed. So much better/easier/faster!!! And yes, it's totally app-neutral.

    • @bram2254
      @bram2254 2 месяца назад

      That’s a big plus 🙏

  • @thomasblak5315
    @thomasblak5315 2 месяца назад

    Smart bikes are certainly moving in the right direction rather than the monster sized ones we have now.

  • @fringelunatic
    @fringelunatic 2 месяца назад

    If the saddle can slide fore and aft it will throw off the geometry if too tall or short. Either it will become a pedal forward bike or the saddle maybe ahead of the cranks.

  • @Yamaha_Bolt
    @Yamaha_Bolt 2 месяца назад +1

    I get the trainer if it can simulate downhill. I need this to race against myself when riding an outdoor activity on my Garmin.

  • @Dexxyh
    @Dexxyh 2 месяца назад +1

    I'm confused, it's supposed to shift virtually in any app right? How does that work?

  • @reflectionsdetail
    @reflectionsdetail 2 месяца назад

    As an Apple TV user I'm hopeful this will play well with this. Bummer it's being released near NOV, most North Americans start indoors right at that time.

  • @Mamilian
    @Mamilian 2 месяца назад +2

    Does no one at Zwift or Elite ride the trainer for more than 60 min in a go? Those seatposts are barbaric! :D Would also be nice if they had better options for mounting bottle cages on the frames.

  • @Eirikkinserdal
    @Eirikkinserdal 2 месяца назад +5

    That looks like a 90s lab bike 😂

  • @bylucien
    @bylucien 2 месяца назад +4

    It is so unapologetically ugly, I love it.

  • @_J.F_
    @_J.F_ 2 месяца назад

    There is so much to chose from today that it can be really hard to figure out what meets your requirements and your budget the best. I suppose the best value for money would still be to get a Wahoo KICKR CORE Zwift One and then, if you do not want to use your regular road bike, then get a cheap second hand road bike and use it permanently with the Zwift One.

  • @richard_wait
    @richard_wait 2 месяца назад

    Stages were way ahead of time with the SB20 looking at this. I think this is the natural successor if you need to get something if your SB20 breaks

    • @decoherence926
      @decoherence926 2 месяца назад

      True. Mine is still working and praying I get a couple of years more out of it.

  • @BikeriderFIN
    @BikeriderFIN 2 месяца назад +1

    Does that handlebar on Square bike turn or is it fixed as on all other smart bikes?

  • @AlexandreCosta82
    @AlexandreCosta82 2 месяца назад +3

    Any news about Elite trainers supporting the Zwift cog (and Zwift Ride)?

    • @elitecycling
      @elitecycling 2 месяца назад +2

      WIP ;-)

    • @AlexandreCosta82
      @AlexandreCosta82 2 месяца назад

      @@elitecycling don't forget "older" trainers, like the Suito.

  • @0Regie
    @0Regie 2 месяца назад +1

    Hey DC Rainmaker! I'm sorry if this off topic, but can you give us runners guidance on a treadmill? There are so many out there and everyone says to look for a commerical one, but I'm hoping that is not the case because they're insanely expensive. Since you do a lot of fitness tech, I figured this might be up your alley. Is there a reliable treadmill out there for your typical runner that isn't monstrously expensive?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker  2 месяца назад +1

      Honestly, I'm totally happy with my Peloton Tread (base model), and I'd guess most say I'm a more advanced runner. That's often on sale.

  • @evanshaw17
    @evanshaw17 2 месяца назад

    Very cool. I’m interested

  • @Briehaze
    @Briehaze 2 месяца назад

    I have the directo XR and it says to unplug it after use which is whatever and I do it lol but the cable that goes into the port is not grabbable on the thickened section, you have to yank it by the cord. I hope you’re able to grab it now with the avanti.

  • @Xhadp
    @Xhadp 2 месяца назад +1

    Miles better than the Zwift one due to adjustable crank length and riser compatibility

  • @Gufolicious
    @Gufolicious 2 месяца назад +4

    This is exactly what i want. Finally time to ditch the kickr bike

  • @mmcewen9789
    @mmcewen9789 2 месяца назад

    Do Elite's trainer segment and Garmin's Forerunner segment share a marketing manager? They both just keep adding SKUs and models to the range...

  • @brettneale
    @brettneale 2 месяца назад

    Hopefully this also means virtual shifting is coming to older Elite trainers! (one can dream!)

  • @derekbroussard
    @derekbroussard 2 месяца назад

    This would look good if the front fork didn't connect to anything.. just floated like the wahoo bike. It looks horrible with front fork stand..... but, the belt drive and some of the additional features is pretty slick!

  • @SpuddyIRL
    @SpuddyIRL Месяц назад

    Will the belt be easily replaced

  • @GoustiFruit
    @GoustiFruit 2 месяца назад

    I wonder if I could get a discount if I switch from my Direto XR to the Elite Square with a Justo or Avanti !? 🤔

  • @gregnichols2140
    @gregnichols2140 Месяц назад

    Can you adjust the stem length?

  • @dormilon36
    @dormilon36 2 месяца назад

    Handlebar depth?

  • @kjwalpole
    @kjwalpole 2 месяца назад

    For smart trainer with a virtual flywheel e.g. Neo 2T, will the frame's virtual shifting send a small torque interrupt to emulated real shifting?

  • @Squizzy05
    @Squizzy05 2 месяца назад +1

    Do these work with My Whoosh in the same way ? Virtual shifting that is

    • @elitecycling
      @elitecycling 2 месяца назад +15

      yes, it does. Virtual shifting is managed by the frame itself which controls the trainer resistance. It works finely with all the indoor training apps

    • @Squizzy05
      @Squizzy05 2 месяца назад

      @@elitecycling thanks.

    • @ryoukokonpaku1575
      @ryoukokonpaku1575 2 месяца назад

      @@elitecycling Now this is a big feature over the zwift cog. It's app agnostic and is a feature that's actually built into the trainer itself, not something that an app needs to implement.

    • @aplanedividedthesky
      @aplanedividedthesky Месяц назад

      @@elitecycling I plan on using Rouvy, so Zwift isn't my usecase: does your Justo 2 offer virtual shifting too? I'd love to buy a Justo 2 along with the virtual shifters used in the Square, so that I can use both in Rouvy. Either that, or using my Di2 shifters as controllers for virtual shifting... this latter option would be my absolute favourite.

  • @rideon1976
    @rideon1976 2 месяца назад

    i still dont understand how it can work with any other trainer out there with virtual gearing, not only ERG Ray... Does it really work with any trainer?

    • @Dcrainmaker
      @Dcrainmaker  2 месяца назад

      Yes, it attaches basically like an 11sp cassette, so no different than swapping a casette on other trainers. And then on virtual shifting, they handle it via ANT+ FE-C (which every trainer supports), just like smart bikes do.

  • @__marshie
    @__marshie 2 месяца назад

    Do the levers brake the fly wheel and does it support zwift steering and in game controls?

    • @elitecycling
      @elitecycling 2 месяца назад +1

      Brake levers: They brake the trainer for a few seconds.
      Navigation keys: It all depends on what Zwift wants to do.
      At the moment they are not implemented, so you can't steer or interact with the software.
      - Steering. Implementation be easy since we used the same protocol of Sterzo Smart but Zwift does not recognise Square as a steering device. So Zwift would just have to update the Square to the list of steering devices like Steering and Rizer
      - Various keys. Zwift's protocol would be needed, but it is not known if or when it will be released.

  • @barteksadaj4579
    @barteksadaj4579 2 месяца назад

    It looks like it was welded together the night before.

  • @Papa-Bogey
    @Papa-Bogey 2 месяца назад

    “Like, comment, subscribe…”

  • @Simon-ry6vx
    @Simon-ry6vx 2 месяца назад

    Square looks like the opposite of stiff.

  • @pierrex3226
    @pierrex3226 2 месяца назад

    I'm not sure they could have made it uglier if they tried. It would bother me to have that atrocity in my living room, especially in a day and age of pretty bikes with full cable integration and vanity everything.

  • @ashishrajoba135
    @ashishrajoba135 2 месяца назад

    Third comment here 🎉. Got the podium….

  • @_kowono
    @_kowono 2 месяца назад

    Surely there's a market for a really simple "frame" that can sit on a smart trainer without all the features that these have. I just cannot justify spending this kind of money. But I've considered buying a cheap frame just for my trainer. I just don't believe people only want super expensive gear. Everyone wonders why these companies are struggling, well maybe they should stop chasing the biggest margins, focusing on the same wealthy individuals that their rivals are already catering for.

  • @shanegreen2583
    @shanegreen2583 2 месяца назад +2

    That square bike looks hideous 😂

  • @LastLamplighter
    @LastLamplighter 2 месяца назад

    I thought the Kickr bike was ugly. This square is spectacularly ugly. I've got a Wattbike Atom 2, which is really pretty, but actually quite bad 😅

  • @zikaperic2133
    @zikaperic2133 2 месяца назад

    Square looks like a student project

  • @TheMirrorVision
    @TheMirrorVision 2 месяца назад

    I like the adjustability and belt drive! However, the design is hideous.

  • @gawa62
    @gawa62 2 месяца назад

    Ahh Elite.Who dont bother with you once youre unit is out of warranty.

    • @SonnyDarvishzadeh
      @SonnyDarvishzadeh 2 месяца назад +1

      What other brands bother with you once your unit is out of warrant?

    • @gawa62
      @gawa62 2 месяца назад

      Just them.My first trainer was Wahoo and had some issues past my warranty and was very helpful.Ended up selling the unit as i wasnt using it as much.I brought the Drivo unit and after a couple of years use it was very noisy.I did email Elite on numerous occasions but didnt get a response back.Ive got a Jetblack now. 👍

    • @fabio_mussi
      @fabio_mussi 2 месяца назад +4

      @@gawa62 I use elite trainers since 2016. Never had an issue with the support even if i was out of warranty and even when it was my fault

    • @gawa62
      @gawa62 2 месяца назад

      @@fabio_mussi sadly didn't work for me .👍

  • @Lvbutech
    @Lvbutech 2 месяца назад

    Hi, go Check Hall 8.0-O15