For people complaining about the "demotion" of Pluto: Ceres was considered a planet for over five decades. It's the object that's always been most linked to Pluto. In fact, it's one of the biggest reasons they finally defined what made something a planet. They demoted Ceres in the 1850s because other objects were affecting its orbit. About 60 years after the discovery of Pluto, they noticed it had similar orbital issues, but they didn't downgrade it for more than 15 years. So when they decided to finally be all scientific about it, the choice was to add a handful of "weak" planets to the solar system, or to finally treat Pluto the way they had been treating Ceres for more than a century. So, basically, Ceres killed Pluto.
Ceres did not kill Pluto. Pluto is fine. And Ceres is fine. There is actually nothing wrong with the definition of dwarf planets. Pluto has always been an odd planet while it was considered a planet. And not enough about it was known at that time.
YES! when Ceres was discovered, It was considered a planet and given a symbol a place on the map, and all the other privileges Planets get to enjoy. Then they discovered Pallas, and Juno, and Vesta, and they were all Planets too. Then a whole bunch of more stuff was discovered all nearby, mostly rocky, mostly tiny, but clearly, were NOT planets like the rest of the already existing Planets. So they were given a new name, "Asteroids," and Ceres and it's siblings, got demoted. Then a 160 years later, Pluto followed basically the same plot line in the Kuiper Belt. But because its siblings were already getting nicknamed "Plutino's" or KBO's, Pluto didn't get the full relegation. They invented a new category for Pluto that CERES could then occupy too.Hooray for Inclusion!
I did like the core mechanisms and had fun in my trial solo game of it, but I felt like the cards were really boring, everything was just basic resource conversion or points, no interesting effects on the base cards or even the mini expansion modules.
That's strange. I could have sworn Chris already reviewed Ceres for the DT. I even seem to remember him really liking it. But I can't find the review. Maybe he just mentioned it in another video. Or maybe I'm going crazy.
I didn't like the art, the graphic design, or the asteroid field. But it was still good enough of a game to keep it in the collection. Seal Of excellence seems excessive. It's a good not great euro. Mars Contracts does help it a bit, I recommend it.
Day 532 asking Wendy to play Barrage, the goat of forward planning. I couldn't stop myself from thinking about Barrage when she said that you have to plan everything and account for every resource, plus pay attention to what other players are doing. The "shared" workers made me think of the water flow in Barrage.
@@mattschwenk7000 there's no take that imo... To me, "take that" is directly stealing or making another player to lose something they own. E.g. a card that makes another player lose plants in Terraforming.... No one owns the water in Barrage. You can't be all cute and build on the lower dam, you know it's gonna get blocked :) . The game does have a steep learning curve strategy wise, and a new player will get destroyed if the experienced player(s) don't give them strategy tips.
@@mattschwenk7000 sure, everyone can define "take that" differently. That's why I explained what it meant to me, and provided some context. Most people say the game is mean without providing context.
This is my nomination for the world Ceres of board gaming next year.
Ceres is a dwarf planet in the middle main asteroid belt between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
By old, better definitions it would be a large asteroid.
@@Singulitarian You can edit that in WIki then.
"There are no laws on Ceres, just cops"
@@Singulitarian No, Ceres is very clearly large enough to become spherical under its own gravity. Hence it is large enough to be considered a planet.
@@martind2520 Pluto gives you a side-eye
Ceres is basically a large asteroid in the asteroid belt. It is similar to Pluto except Pluto is in the Kuiper Belt.
For people complaining about the "demotion" of Pluto: Ceres was considered a planet for over five decades. It's the object that's always been most linked to Pluto. In fact, it's one of the biggest reasons they finally defined what made something a planet. They demoted Ceres in the 1850s because other objects were affecting its orbit. About 60 years after the discovery of Pluto, they noticed it had similar orbital issues, but they didn't downgrade it for more than 15 years. So when they decided to finally be all scientific about it, the choice was to add a handful of "weak" planets to the solar system, or to finally treat Pluto the way they had been treating Ceres for more than a century. So, basically, Ceres killed Pluto.
Ceres did not kill Pluto. Pluto is fine. And Ceres is fine.
There is actually nothing wrong with the definition of dwarf planets.
Pluto has always been an odd planet while it was considered a planet. And not enough about it was known at that time.
I am Ceres…
And don’t call me Shirley.
Someone had to say it
You all should really watch/read The Expanse.
sasa que, bosmang?
Such a great show. I really need to go back and read the books.
That's what i thought of within the first few min of this video
Aw dang - I didn't think you guys were going to review this! :)
Ha, beat you to it!
@@DTWendy you did!!! 😄
When did Tom and Wendy start coordinating their outfits??
Nice, picked this up, and now my Flush Fives are worth +40 chips and +3 Mult
YES! when Ceres was discovered, It was considered a planet and given a symbol a place on the map, and all the other privileges Planets get to enjoy. Then they discovered Pallas, and Juno, and Vesta, and they were all Planets too. Then a whole bunch of more stuff was discovered all nearby, mostly rocky, mostly tiny, but clearly, were NOT planets like the rest of the already existing Planets. So they were given a new name, "Asteroids," and Ceres and it's siblings, got demoted.
Then a 160 years later, Pluto followed basically the same plot line in the Kuiper Belt. But because its siblings were already getting nicknamed "Plutino's" or KBO's, Pluto didn't get the full relegation. They invented a new category for Pluto that CERES could then occupy too.Hooray for Inclusion!
Wow, what a family tree mess.
I did like the core mechanisms and had fun in my trial solo game of it, but I felt like the cards were really boring, everything was just basic resource conversion or points, no interesting effects on the base cards or even the mini expansion modules.
Totally agree after playing more than 30 games. The only bad part is the symbols and graphics.
That's strange. I could have sworn Chris already reviewed Ceres for the DT. I even seem to remember him really liking it. But I can't find the review. Maybe he just mentioned it in another video. Or maybe I'm going crazy.
He hasn't even played it yet, though I'm sure he'll like it.
This studio looks great, btw.
I didn't like the art, the graphic design, or the asteroid field. But it was still good enough of a game to keep it in the collection. Seal Of excellence seems excessive. It's a good not great euro. Mars Contracts does help it a bit, I recommend it.
Color coordination...nice!
I wish I could say we planned it 😊
Grey is the new beige
We also found the favor tokens confusing but otherwise the game was surprisingly good.
Day 532 asking Wendy to play Barrage, the goat of forward planning. I couldn't stop myself from thinking about Barrage when she said that you have to plan everything and account for every resource, plus pay attention to what other players are doing. The "shared" workers made me think of the water flow in Barrage.
Barrage is one of my all-time favorites. I don't think Wendy would like to "take that" in it, the game can be vicious....which I love.
@@mattschwenk7000 there's no take that imo... To me, "take that" is directly stealing or making another player to lose something they own. E.g. a card that makes another player lose plants in Terraforming.... No one owns the water in Barrage. You can't be all cute and build on the lower dam, you know it's gonna get blocked :) . The game does have a steep learning curve strategy wise, and a new player will get destroyed if the experienced player(s) don't give them strategy tips.
Semantics. It can be a very mean game, especially for a Euro. That is not a criticism, it is just a reality.
@@mattschwenk7000 sure, everyone can define "take that" differently. That's why I explained what it meant to me, and provided some context. Most people say the game is mean without providing context.
Well, at least we can agree that the game is a masterpiece.
Can't believe they sent minors to the dwarf planet ceres.
I know right! At least send adults.
Simlar to Dune Imperium: Uprising do you think?
No, except maybe for the annoyance level but not quite.
“Miners, not minors!”