Gotta say the stump from that side is the way to go mate Levers on the other side if keys are available to carry on using the lock but the stump is the there too ,so stump and new lock fitted is my thought process
Do you mean on the Invincible from the bolt side pal? You’re right I don’t fuck about drilling for the lever pack when it’s right mounted too much of a pain in the ass!
yes indeed. measure, check and recheck and drill. learnt my lesson years ago on a green case 5 lever sash lock .even being 3mm out, caught the edge of the shims between the levers and the whole stump came completely off .and levers dropped down on steep angel. made it a right bitch of a job, was a right hand fit with 1" rebate and draft exclude fitted.
Did the same other night myself pal , failed sashlock so I aimed for the stump but left a little corner on it so levers dropped down like you said and then proceeded for what felt like the longest 2 hours of my life trying to drag the bolt back with a screwdriver.....stuff of nightmares
I've been practicing drill points and will be making some drill templates tomorrow, as you said yes you can buy but best work out your own drill points. Very time consuming but its Sunday and I have nothing to do but eat my sunday dinner haha
Haha that’s the one pal! I have a box of old mortice locks in the back of my van so if you really need to you can just take the lock apart and measure exactly from the top of your keyhole where you want to be 😎😎
Well I had a nightmare last night, tried drilling a jammed Union Strongbolt ended up leaving a 3mm piece on the stump no word of a lie took me two hours to get the door open 😭😭🔑
Nice video mate, i use the a jam mortice id pdf stored on phone along with the rb template kit together they seem to cover most of the stuff I come across and looks better than sifting through books 📚 in front of your customers😂🤣 I bought the mortice Id app when I first started out, What a pile of shit that is keep the vids coming always a good watch
Lock Lab Locksmith Orpington kent yeah I have the Ajam printed out and laminated also got the ICL mortice manual which covers a lot of older locks. If I come across one I’ve never seen before I take it home, drives my missus mad 😂😂 The RB one is that the one with just a 2mm template??
When you’re drilling out the locks are you using tungsten carbide masonry drills or those special carbide sharp drills and the milling bits you use whereabouts do you buy them I love your videos and I do learn things about lever locks all the time so thank you
I use hardplate drill bits (TCT) to start with, then a normal HSS bit once I’m through the hardplate and then finish with an end cut milling burr (see my other video about drilling Securefast locks)?
I know it sounds silly but i never actually realised that the components layout is the same irrespective of whether its left or right mounted! So the side the bolt portrudes from differs but the internal parts will be the same its just whether the body is facing left or right that differs?
why do you always shows locks in a vice? show us some in doors, in situ. How are you supposed to identify which Mortice lock it is when there's a door around it?
I’m not a big fan of drilling for the stump don’t get me wrong I have , but there’s a few scenarios that would make you think twice. First is that the drill point wouldn’t be concealed by handles etc, 2nd is if it’s a long thin stump like a Securefast or Viscount you’d probably have to drill it twice to actually get it and the 3rd is if you leave any of the stump at all even if it’s just a mm the lock won’t open so when it’s right mounted you can’t see where it is
To be honest I very rarely drill nowadays, I’d rather sit there for an hour trying to pick it before I drill, in some cases where there’s a broken part like a faulty curtain then you have no option. It’s the thing I practice the most picking lever locks
Haha love it, makes me think when I was still training and totally messed up the drill point and had to shit hits the fan it, gut the whole lot of levels from the blood thing 😂
Wallers there’s absolutely no worse feeling than realising you’ve hit the wrong drill point 😳 or even worse when you abs drilled too far into the lock and started chewing up levers....NIGHTMARE!! 🤣🤣
Fortress Locksmiths haha 😂 that’s then you have to become good at laughing at yourself or you have a nice punch bag (sort of thing) in the back off the van you beat the shit out if with the snapper bar 😂😂😂
@@FortressLocksmiths Does your gate master cover pretty much most locks?, it looks like a well designed, excellent bit of kit, you should get on dragons den with it lol.
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Great advice, dog sounded very contented
And he’s still with us is the old boy!
Another great Video and well explained.Nice one
Gotta say the stump from that side is the way to go mate Levers on the other side if keys are available to carry on using the lock but the stump is the there too ,so stump and new lock fitted is my thought process
Do you mean on the Invincible from the bolt side pal? You’re right I don’t fuck about drilling for the lever pack when it’s right mounted too much of a pain in the ass!
yes indeed. measure, check and recheck and drill. learnt my lesson years ago on a green case 5 lever sash lock .even being 3mm out, caught the edge of the shims between the levers and the whole stump came completely off .and levers dropped down on steep angel. made it a right bitch of a job, was a right hand fit with 1" rebate and draft exclude fitted.
Did the same other night myself pal , failed sashlock so I aimed for the stump but left a little corner on it so levers dropped down like you said and then proceeded for what felt like the longest 2 hours of my life trying to drag the bolt back with a screwdriver.....stuff of nightmares
Bashing out the vids this week. Cheers m8 😎
Arieark 300 been a slow week for work so thought I’d do a few vids 😎🔑
I've been practicing drill points and will be making some drill templates tomorrow, as you said yes you can buy but best work out your own drill points. Very time consuming but its Sunday and I have nothing to do but eat my sunday dinner haha
Haha that’s the one pal! I have a box of old mortice locks in the back of my van so if you really need to you can just take the lock apart and measure exactly from the top of your keyhole where you want to be 😎😎
@@FortressLocksmiths very true I do have a couple of mortice ebooks so there on my phone.
Double the fun at night, always told not to use an LED torch as they give off a blue light and can make colour id difficult.
Well I had a nightmare last night, tried drilling a jammed Union Strongbolt ended up leaving a 3mm piece on the stump no word of a lie took me two hours to get the door open 😭😭🔑
@@FortressLocksmiths had som similar with an old fortress with a snapped bolt tail that had jammed the lock.
@@cardiffpicker1 fucking nightmare pal....she even asked me if I was a real locksmith 😭😭😭😂😂
@@FortressLocksmiths not as quick as on the telly?, people dont realise a crap fitted lock can throw your drilll point out quite a bit.
Nice video mate, i use the a jam mortice id pdf stored on phone along with the rb template kit together they seem to cover most of the stuff I come across and looks better than sifting through books 📚 in front of your customers😂🤣
I bought the mortice Id app when I first started out, What a pile of shit that is keep the vids coming always a good watch
Lock Lab Locksmith Orpington kent yeah I have the Ajam printed out and laminated also got the ICL mortice manual which covers a lot of older locks. If I come across one I’ve never seen before I take it home, drives my missus mad 😂😂 The RB one is that the one with just a 2mm template??
I made the A Jam manual 👍 was wondering if anyone would mention it. My Dad will be proud.
When you’re drilling out the locks are you using tungsten carbide masonry drills or those special carbide sharp drills and the milling bits you use whereabouts do you buy them I love your videos and I do learn things about lever locks all the time so thank you
I use hardplate drill bits (TCT) to start with, then a normal HSS bit once I’m through the hardplate and then finish with an end cut milling burr (see my other video about drilling Securefast locks)?
Nice job mate 👍🏻✌🏻
Pompey Picker cheers pal
I know it sounds silly but i never actually realised that the components layout is the same irrespective of whether its left or right mounted! So the side the bolt portrudes from differs but the internal parts will be the same its just whether the body is facing left or right that differs?
why do you always shows locks in a vice? show us some in doors, in situ. How are you supposed to identify which Mortice lock it is when there's a door around it?
I have plenty more videos picking and IDing locks in the door, it’s a very easy skill to master with practice….feel feee to check out my other videos
For right monuted, would you not just measure and drill the stump out?
I’m not a big fan of drilling for the stump don’t get me wrong I have , but there’s a few scenarios that would make you think twice. First is that the drill point wouldn’t be concealed by handles etc, 2nd is if it’s a long thin stump like a Securefast or Viscount you’d probably have to drill it twice to actually get it and the 3rd is if you leave any of the stump at all even if it’s just a mm the lock won’t open so when it’s right mounted you can’t see where it is
@@FortressLocksmiths Good to know!
Hello bud how many locks do you have to drill open compared to picking open just rough count and what is your preferred way in drill or pick
To be honest I very rarely drill nowadays, I’d rather sit there for an hour trying to pick it before I drill, in some cases where there’s a broken part like a faulty curtain then you have no option. It’s the thing I practice the most picking lever locks
Haha love it, makes me think when I was still training and totally messed up the drill point and had to shit hits the fan it, gut the whole lot of levels from the blood thing 😂
Wallers there’s absolutely no worse feeling than realising you’ve hit the wrong drill point 😳 or even worse when you abs drilled too far into the lock and started chewing up levers....NIGHTMARE!! 🤣🤣
Fortress Locksmiths haha 😂 that’s then you have to become good at laughing at yourself or you have a nice punch bag (sort of thing) in the back off the van you beat the shit out if with the snapper bar 😂😂😂
just a thought but could you have used an over lifter wire to get the screwdriver in the correct position then withdraw it or am i overthinking it.?
Allo Allo Allo russy boy
Where do you drill if a mortice lock isn't in the ID manual?.
Get more than one manual pal, build a collection
@@FortressLocksmiths Does your gate master cover pretty much most locks?, it looks like a well designed, excellent bit of kit, you should get on dragons den with it lol.
@@ObbardProductions it covers most you’re likely to come across for sure….and no I don’t think the Dragons would like my swearing 🤬 🤣
😂@@FortressLocksmiths
Thanks very much
Refreshing👍
Enjoyed tha m8 was good to see en done any drillin yet thank fuk hope i en just jinxd myself
bloggs692413 at some point you will pal.....and be prepared
@@FortressLocksmiths yes too right m8 but not looking forward to it dun feel comfortable doing it its the only thing in our job
Sorry fella only cheap seats was available :(
Well that looks easy….said no one ever
Who is snoring in the background haha?! And i HATE trying to identify lever locks.
That my friend is my old British bulldog! Even older and louder now
It will just look fucking brown lol
Viewers in cheap seats 😂
It’s true though 😂