Grapples and Root Rakes- Chinese JUNK VS American Made
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2019
- Most Grapples and Root rakes for tractors & loaders LOOK Alike but thats where it ends. How can you tell if your getting American Quality- or Chinese junk? Plus there are a lot of look alike companies claiming they are "BUILT" in the USA but they are importing Chinese metal and assembling it in the US. What to look out for when your
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I’m not in the sales business but I am in the buying business. I can guarantee you one the from me. If you don’t list the price on your website I move directly to the next manufacturer.
Yeah... I just assume I can't afford it and move on.
Yep, me too. On all things. Don’t have time to “call for price”. That tells me you’re not confident in your pricing or competing on the market and you don’t respect my time.
Over extended is when the cylinder rod goes to far out. Over compressed is when the cylinder rod is pushed to far back in.
Thanks for this video! I was struggling to pick which grapple type to get and this is the only video I have found that explains the differences and the application for which they are used.
Even if it's an advert for the company, I like how you hold them to task on the questions, asking real ones instead of bs marketing speak.
Always enjoy this series... when you go to a company/brand & compare the diff items they make, what they are used for, & how they are made. You are making us learn, in a fun interesting....interactive way. Love it!
Excellent observation! Advice, never get an engineer or salesperson do review their products. Engineers are weird and although smart, have no patience nor communication skills to answer a simple question. And a Salesperson is on commission trying to make a buck. Ask a person in the field who's actually used Chinese junk, or North American built quality. Then you'll have your questions answered in an honest and helpful way!
@@CorPro He kept interrupting the engineer before he could finish his explanation. If you want a yes/no answer, ask a yes no question. People who don't have patience to wait for a detailed answer shouldn't ask detailed questions. "Is it stronger?" -Yes vs. "What makes this stronger?" - blah blah blah = 50 details. Like when he breezed over the greaseable pin point. That is a significant cost and performance upgrade that Stanley didn't seem to care about.
I was lucky. I bought a quality grapple bucket about 30 years ago for about $3,000. So my cost is $100 a year for owning it! We use it a lot, it shows signs of use but has never bent or twisted. Good video full of information. Why would anyone give it a thumbs down?
Thank you, really appreciate the comments !
Just because it’s made in America doesn’t mean it isn’t junk
And let’s not forget a36 is the standard steel for pretty much every skyscraper and bridge
Nice video. Thanks for doing this. I did learn a lot. This video will come into play when it will be time for my selection of which grapple to buy.
That's great Mike, thanks for viewing !
Jeez, maybe next time the President will invite the sales team who can articulate what the actual particular attachment was designed for and support with features and benefits. The president came off as not wanting to be there. 400K+ subscribers...I sure would be prepared for that opportunity.
Nice looking grapples - appear well made.
I tend to agree with you
Thank you. I see these weaknesses in so many products. A educated consumer can force a company to do the right thing.
Great interview, Stan. I learned a lot.
Thanks Don !
top notch equipment builds the best tree grapple for the arborist, Dave Nordguard started top notch as a tree company and started building the tree grapple for others. Also, his grapple is made and sold in Plymouth Minnesota.
This reminds me of when China started flooding the market with 4 post garage lifts. About half the cost of US lifts the imports were not certified for commercial use, but good enough for the DIY hobbyist.
Ingersall Rand is the ones I've used for 40 years. Never have been able to bend one!! And boy have I tried.
Perfect timing and good stuff. I am buying a new compact tractor and I have been researching grapples. I am going to reach to them. And it's a home state product.
Right on
I getting a JCB 3TS 8T and they are recommending the Quick Claw over the brush and rock grapple. I will be using on the farm.
A36 is fine for the general structure, It is the alloy used for ships shell plate, storage tanks, etc. T1 would be for the teeth or anyplace with very high stress or abrasion. The grapple is just fine made out of A36. No real abrasion or strain. The main thing is ease of repair. A36 can be welded with common E6010 or E7018 rods with preheating only required if it is below freezing. T1 needs preheating before welding to several hundred degrees, absolutely dry steel and use of E8018, 9018 or 11018 rod. I am a 30 yr journeyman shipfitter/welder and crane boom repair welder. Crane chords are usually T1 with either A36 or 4130 chrome moly lacing. I have made several brush rakes for bulldozers and grapples for excavators. Never found that I needed anything stronger than A36. But saying its better because its made of T1 is like saying a car is better/ more dependable because it has a V8 instead of a straight 6.
How does AR450 rank? That's what Everything Attachments uses for their grapples.
@@tlr-nut7275 Ar 450 is an abrasion resistant steel that I have no experience with. I am still in favor of A36 and hardfacing wear points due to ease of repair and lower cost steel. Look up "welding AR450". There are several problems welding it, no simple field repairs like A36. ( Preheat, heat affected zone embrittlement, need for steel and rod to be dry to avoid hydrogen embrittlement, etc)
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AR is used only on cutting edges. Not for the structure.
@@lumberjackdreamer6267 They use ar450 for the whole build. Watch one of their videos.
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That would be a waste without added benefits. More expensive and harder to weld.
Is Virnig considered good? Got a brush mower from them and love it!
Great timing for the video. I just bought a Viring grapple. Its a pretty solid piece of steel, but the hose placement sucks! I had concerns from the start. I even tried to zip tie up the lines but sure enough I ran over a hose when I wasn't paying attention. So maybe I'll get a credit for redesigning their equipment?
I like to learn about these accessories, Thanks Stan
Cool! Good to know 👍
thanks for doing this it helps me make better choices
I have a 72 inch CID grapple it's 3/4 inch steel and is 800 pounds. Worth the money in the long run
These quick attach guys aren’t winning any personality awards
Do you want a salesman who's being nice and blowing smoke up your ass building your equipment or real world people that know their stuff when it comes to the attachments that you spend thousands of dollars on!!!???? I'll take the asshole that will make me something that works and lasts over the jackass that will sell me something that looks cool and shiny but it only lasts 3 months and I have to buy another one!!
This reminds me of oh how -Chevy- claims their trucks are still “Made in America” when all reality its more like “Made in China/India/South Korea,etc... but assembled in America”
Tease the Hardley Ableto riders by telling them that their Hardly is 100 % assembled in the US from foreign sourced parts. Makes them really mad. No sense of humor.
A good grapple is a game changer.
I am looking for a grapple for my JD 3025E to clear deadfall and brush. Buying witjin the next week. What model would you recommend? Does it need a conversion kit?
These guys seemed annoyed whenever Stan asked a question.
Excellent observation! Advice, never get an engineer or salesperson do review their products. Engineers are weird and although smart, have no patience nor communication skills to answer a simple question. And a Salesperson is on commission trying to make a buck. Ask a person in the field who's actually used Chinese junk, or North American built quality. Then you'll have your questions answered in an honest and helpful way!
(P. S.) put this in the wrong thread at first--sorry! It was meant for here! :)
I’m sold on quick attach from this video will definitely buy from them.
Person can tell they are sick of being undersold They make a quality product.
You can sure tell that guy is an engineerd. Next to nothing for communication skills 😂
I've watched a bunch of your videos in the past. Today I got a brand new 78" Chery Great Bear grapple made in Canada at an auction for $695 and I was looking for information on it when I came across your video.
I don't know what kind of steel my Chery is made of, or whether Chery is one of those "buy parts from China and assemble in Canada", but I am going to go search now and see if I can learn about that. I also plan on carefully examining the Grapple once I get it out of its shipping cage, to see if it has hard stops that protect the cylinders.
Once again, great video Mister Dirt Monkey!! I now know more about Grapples.
Bobcat 72" root grapple , thing is a Beast!
I might want to get a broom for our tractor(s). Can you look at some and tell us all what you think?
I 2nd this
Which grapple is best for loading split firewood?
I live in Oregon and know more about logging but I have this to say about cheap equipment. Out here a company will buy a doosan run it till it starts showing problem then sell it and buy a new one they are that cheap (compared to other company's that sell logging equipment). So yes cheap equipment dosnt last long but if it's cheap enough to where you can still make a profit and be able to buy a new one then there is still something to say for it.
dang there was a lot of adds on this video. Where is the link to this company?
@0:43 that is exactly what I was doing when I broke both of the curl cylinders on my JD 5085 with a 563 loader.
For the sifting grapple system. Wouldn’t it be nice if the operator can press a momentary (about 3 seconds) button or AI voice-controlled “vibration mode”in the hydraulic system. That way the grabble contents are thoroughly sifting out the soil.
I just got a Jenkins Iron & Steel super duty brush grapple made in Minnesota. It's a beast, perfect fit for my ASV PT80. Paid around $2,700.
MAGA MAN I am up in the air should I get the super grapple with the split grapples or the regular brush grapple what made you go with the split grapple. Thanks.
@@michaelkastis9795 with the split top, a lot more brush will stay in and not fall out. It grabs the material and holds it down in 2 points, rather than just one. With the single top, if you grab material/brush and one side has more, it squeezes just that side and stuff will fall out on the other side. With the split top, if one side has more than the other doesn't matter as it will squeeze both sides.
MAGA MAN Thank you for the help so far I have bought 4 attachments from Jenkins been happy with them. I am going to buy a shredder not sure about the Jenkins one though I wanna be able to lift it up to trim the branches on some Mesquite’s that hang real low. Not sure about the ax blades verses the regular tractor shredder blades.
Eh, engineering wise didn't really learn much. Designer of said grapples also seemed a little confused almost as to the correct applications for each grapple, and why certain design decisions were made. Like which one of the 4 would be idea for picking up 6-14" trees? The one on one extreme seemed ideal for demolition stuff, broken concrete etc. and the one on the other end seemed idea for raking and light brush, but that's all I got out of it. The short lower tines for brush to me don't look all that safe if you're picking up logs and expecting the upper arm to hold the weight on them. I'm guessing one of the middle ones are better... but not a great comparison I felt.
@@benjaminfitzgerald2037 That's actually a great point about the square on the backbone. I didn't think about it that way, but you are absolutely correct,. Thanks so much!
@@benjaminfitzgerald2037 oh the larger 6x6 he showed is definitely stronger, in all areas*: bending/torsion/compression/tension due to having a larger moment of inertia and more cross sectional area. Whether that is something that you really need or if its extra money put into it that goes to waste? ehh there's no way to tell from here.
*assuming identical metals
Was the owner a bit over the top?
For backyard work, the average guy doesn’t need to spend $5,000 on a top notch grapple vs $1,400 on a cheap one. The $1,400 one is still steel, you just can’t be as rough with it as you might be working as a contractor day in and day out.
Great general knowledge
The one with indevidual gaws are realy good for logs the 6" is as strong as the " the steel is same thick ness their both 1/4 3/18 steel
Stan could you imagine if the engineer and the owner knew as much about their product as you do? It’s like pulling teeth to get these guys to tell you the upside of their product it’s easy to see that they build them but they don’t USE THEM😳
ANOTHER GREAT JOB TELLING AND SHOWING THE REST OF US MONKEYS HOW WE NEED TO SPEND OUR HARD EARNED $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thank you Pete!!
Are you saying that Todd doesn't use his own equipment? If so, that is not true at all. I think EA is one of the best products out there.
what editinging program do u use?
It looks like I movie to me
I'll take that last grapple. Looked heavy duty. Would have been nice to see the American made vs Chinese in real world work.
I have seen those, They bend, twist or rip the cylinders off or apart. One well designed one if the boom was up, the grapple fully dumped, then the boom lowered would poke the tines thru the front tires. After replacing the front tires twice they took the grapple to an auction.
This video is a little misleading. They say most companies use grade 36 and they demonstrate grade 100. Well if you look at their build specs they state they build with grade 50. Just something to look out for.
Solesbee makes a good one. Faver makes a great grapple rake.
I feel like everything attachments might make a better tractor grapple?
That's a great question. I was thinking about them a lot during this presentation. I know they are all about being made in America too. I am a homeowner who owns a compact tractor. I have a loader, but I am very interested in a grapple as well. Until Everything Attachments, I wasn't sure if I could afford a good grapple, but I trust their product, and at their price point, I maybe could swing one.
Just ordered one today
Awesome video! Pretty good explanation of the material properties and hardware. It’s always worth noting that these Gucci grade steels are more difficult to weld and work, so the price you pay isn’t a rip off here.
Thank you Ross!
great knowledge but when you got to the second bucket the engineer gave me an uneasy feeling on how its constructed.
I’m currently looking for a made in the USA grapple for my JD 5065 and I went to these guys website and it feels like they don’t want to sell anything. They want you to sign up for a mailing list before you’re allowed to see the price. I’ll keep looking.
not sure why people do that, usually its a high price being hid. The customer (uneducated) sees price and moves on to the cheapest.
I like the guy from everything attachments he'll put his lightest grapple on the biggest tractor and try to break it.
Engineers & Salesman ???
EA products are amazing
I like how search out Minnesota made products!
that is a clean looking 6400 JD.
wish I had seen this sooner, just bought a Iron Clan grapple, had to ask what steel its made of they said AR36....."bought sense is better than told" Grandma used to say.
🗣🙌🏻👐🏻🤲🏻👋🏻🖐🏻🤚🏻 moving your hands with every word lol
they should have had more of a blind test
Its rough they are all quick attach wanted to buy one to bolt on my 2004 great bend loader and i need to modafy my loader with quick atatch its a project in a project
This going to be amazing like every other video let’s do this
Thanks Ben!
Been building these since 1948 but can't explain well yet. Hmmm
Can you review the Volvo C-series Tracked and Wheeled skid steer?
Thanks for the suggestion Brady!
Nice review.
Thank you Donald !
Didn’t seem like those two liked Stanley.
Great folks there at QA! A shout out to Cody in sales, a very fine fellow!
Why isn't there a quick attach dealer in Canada?
I’m more confused than before the video ?
I am in the market for a grapple for brush and raking ? Beginning to think the engineer don’t have a clue ? What they should do is say this is best used for ......
Agreed. They sound like used car salesmen winging it describing those grapples
You need a root rake grapple, that is what it is called for debris and woody material. Those were the units on the right. Depending on use and type of machine impacts purchase a lot. The units they were talking about are dedicated to skid steers which are heavy and strong. If you are putting your grapple on a compact or sub compact tractor you don’t need to worry about most of what they are saying because the tractor don’t have enough power to hurt it. One thing people forget is that most grapples on the market are built stronger than the capabilities of the tractors. You’d be damaging your tractor long before damaging a grapple and we own 5 for our tree service. Damaged tractors is what we have to worry about not grapples.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A STUPID QUESTION BUT THERE ARE STUPID PEOPLE WHO CANNOT COMPREHEND THE ANSWER NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES AND WAYS YOU EXPLAIN IT TO THEM MONKEY DEFINITELY FITS THIS GUY
Would have been nice to talk about weight of implement and how the factors into a tractor use? Really didn't learn shut from this other than mines better than yours. Weight is huge with loader capacity on a tractor s use of lighter weight materials is huge.
Does anyone have experience with Titan Grapples from Tennessee?
For being at the top of their game as far as quality and price, I don't feel like they were overly knowledgeable about their product. Essentially they were like look our Square Tubing is bigger! Which ultimately means nothing If the product is built correctly....
who make these root Rake Grapples
Would have been nice to have the individual grappler models' names... instead of calling them "This one & That one"
great vid
Thank you!
there's a lot of this stuff coming into Canada and the US that's made in China and somebody sticking a made in the US label on it including some tractors one for example there's a little volt tractor that's being sold under Northern tool & die are Northern tool I should say called Nora track thank God made you and that you had made in the USA stamped all over it and it's actually made in China
Ill say the grapple bucket is varry hard to use cant see the work but they are nice because u have a grapple and a bucket its the tool i use more the. Any thing
Very well put presentation!
Cheap crap is cheap crap, regardless of where it is made - there used to be [may still be] a LOT of crap made in the USA, as well as other countries - you NEED to know what you are purchasing and, remember, some sales people are idiots/dishonest/misinformed [lied to] or simply don't know what you're talking about [that might come under idiots, though].
IF, and that's a big 'if', the manufacturer has the required standards, it doesn't matter where something is made. The problem with Chinese made stuff (also may apply elsewhere) is a lot of it is from small fly-by-night companies that copy reputable product as cheaply as possible AND distributers/retailers who are just focused on a quick buck AND(!) customers who just want 'cheap' and not 'good'!
Buying expensive doesn't automatically mean good, but cheap stuff is cheap for a reason...
Thank you !
One problem is in the standards. I used to be big into stereo equipment, and I can tell you with all certainty 100 watts may not = 100 watts. Like the guy was showing the different standards of steel, 1/4 inch doesn't = 1/4 inch. In this video, I learned a few things, and it's always better to be informed. In modern times it's always "buyer beware"!
@@papageo5 PMPO ;-)
@@gordowg1wg145 PMPO! Exactly! Sometimes my analogies go sideways, but not this time. Kindred spirits my friend! Wow!
Good video. But, the difference is not $500 it is more like $2000.
How do you oveŕextend retracting cylinder....
Terraforce. Good or bad?
If you pay the pay attention to the castings on a John Deere equipment now most of them will say JD China
Anyone Familiar with the Rakemaster Grapple?
Notch Mfg. attachments are great quality. Made right up the road from you in Lake Henry, Mn.
Notch makes Harry Homeowner equipment. Which is great if you're Harry Homeowner and you don't need commercial contractor grade equipment.
Why don't we start building all our stuff again here give people jobs stamp made in USA don't see that no more I only been on this earth 40 yrs big change.
Greed and competition. China undercuts us by dumping products cheaper than we can produce them. Some companies would rather sell an inferior product and produce it in China to increase their own profits at our own expense. Some good foreign companies do assemble and hire American workers like Toyota. Stupid trade deals hurt us as well such as NAFTA. If the govt and business cared more about their country, they would invest more.
Your videos are good, BUT the camera shaking and jiggling makes me nauseous . hard to watch
Check out Everything attachments best grapples made! Hands down!
Anyone else notice Goku in his home office?
What is the best power tool brand
Milwaukee seems to come out on top for a lot of stuff, in the UK Makita is more available.
Everything attachments is a good American company
Everything attachments is the best out there.
Tensile strength
Nothing agenst china but ill say im a welder and ill rebuild 2 year old blades buckets and atachmets the dirt weres right threw them ill get buckets out of scrap yards from drotts and such modify for new macheans and they last for ever same as ill rebuild the new atachments all beat up 2 years old holes worn threw and once i use U.S.A iron ill say o never see them again except one guy who works a rock pit and tells me he is amaized how well they hold up with the work he dose
What's up my boy love who you are and what you became thank you for everything
Thanks Rosendo!
Made where? The first skeleton rod bucket has black cat teeth and shanks. That's straight out of China and are dirt cheep.
Not a fan of quick attach products
Rip headphones thanks
this was great video
Thank you !
I guess the the music came from China.
What the hell does that ------- music have to do with that equipment? NOTHING! You ruined a maybe decent video>
P has this guy actually used the brinell test to see what quality this deal is or is he just barking out his ass